In my last article I addressed the emerging southern coalition made up of DD, AAA, Solar, Black Legion etc. Some have referred to it as RUS, others as Stainwagon or Neo-Stainwagon, myself included. Unfortunately neither name really justifies them. For example, not everyone in those groups is Russian although the Russians make up a large portion. Next, Stainwagon more accurately describes the group of Stain residence such as Coven, Stain Empire, etc. For the sake of simplicity, we’ll just use “Southern Coalition” for the time being.

Now that we have that out of the way I’d like to refer to something more important in my previous article.

I had addressed that if the CFC decides to back up the SoCo, they should be careful not to do so at the expense of SoCo’s capability or risk destabilizing the region and causing more hardships for the CFC in the long run. Instead of dog piling into Catch to fight N3, a second front should be opened in order to draw N3’s strength in different directions. N3 is definitely the more developed and organized coalition, they aren’t that far developed to leave SoCo completely behind. I had recommended that Curse and the regions surrounding it would be one of the better areas of engagement.

While the CFC has not fully mobilized against N3, they have sent fleets to augment SoCo’s numbers giving them a slight edge. Yesterday EN24 published an announcement by Red Alliance that they would be supporting SoCo by invading via Curse in effect taking the suggestion to the CFC and doing it themselves. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t think “RA is doing this cause I published my rinky dink article” Rather, it was a fairly obvious move to anyone with a bit of strategic competence. Curse offers a perfect launching pad for RA providing stations, easy access to Empire space while also cutting off some supply links and making it difficult for N3 to reinforce logistically.

It’s difficult to say how the war would go without the CFC being involved. For me it is also difficult to give a damn because the fact of the matter is, they are involved. There’s no point about whining about how “unfair” it is anymore than whining about someone flying better implants than you. It’s also a pretty weak face saving argument for N3 yet you hear it all the time. People will form larger and larger groups to acquire their goals. It’s human nature. Accept this and DEAL WITH IT. There is no point wasting an ounce of frustration over this fact. Facts are facts. Flying cov ops I would constantly hear people whining about being “unfairly ganked” and then I would hear their explanation as to how it would not have happened that way had they done X Y and Z. But at the end of the day they were dead.

The same way the N3 membership is just going to have to accept that the CFC is not an entity that is aligned to their interests. For all intents and purposes, SoCo is more likely to be a friend in the future than the CFC. If this status quo is maintained, the east will fall to Solar and Red Alliance and it is simply a matter of time. But how did N3 get here and what can be done to avoid such a fate? I may seem harsh on N3 but the harshness really does come from a place of sugar, love and all nice things. With all the hard time I’ve been giving N3 I will say this, I LIKE N3, I really do. Not as much as I am enjoying SoCo but since they seem to be shedding their underdog status with the CFC support, and the long term relationship of those allied in the south will have a very short expiration date after the war is over, I’m finding some affection for N3. So here is what I’ll do. The same way I recommended for BL to join up with AAA and friends, (which again, they more than likely did on their own, I can’t claim to have influenced anyone,) I’ll put up a few suggestions to help N3. Of course I can only claim a limited perspective on the inner workings of the coalition.

Consolidate your power

In effect this is re-wiring the coalition to be more efficient. N3 has a lot of inconsistencies and needless redundancies in its leadership structure. You really do need a dictator. Even the Roman Republic realized this in time of war and as far as I’m concerned, if you’re playing Eve, you’re always at war. Now this is difficult to do for N3 because its alliance membership is a bit different than the CFC. N3 is composed of two dominant alliances. We could say three if we count PL but I don’t think PL would ever sign its name onto any supra entity so if it does fail, it does not “inherit” that failure.

The two remaining dominant alliances are NCdot and Nulli. Both have pros and cons to them that compliment the other. NCdot has a reputation for their capitals. They have a lot of them. They are more established but also have a longer list of bad relations. Nulli on the other hand perhaps lacks the reputation that NCdot has, in both good and bad ways, but they have a vibrant player base. I always applauded their ability to reinvent themselves after their loss of space. Whatever the case is, there needs to be a level of centralization and integration that makes these two alliances really function as one coalition. If this is done, the rest of the N3 members will follow as well.

What the Goons have done in the CFC is draw as much of the talent out of their coalition members and made the other alliances completely dependent upon them. This was a gradual progress, one that N3 does not have time for. Also some may find it “unethical.”

Make friends

Some define blobbing as being out numbered by your opponent. I define it as the natural result of the enemy establishing links with other like minded individuals to fulfill their goal. So in effect, the reason “N3 is getting blobbed” is because they allowed it to happen. Because of the issues created by NOT consolidating your power, it is difficult to have a unified and cohesive diplomatic policy that benefits the coalition as a whole. Again the move from loose confederation to co-dictatorship needs to be made.

Once that is done, N3 needs to make friends and use their diplomacy better. As far as I have heard, SoCo has failed to establish the TEST remnants as allies. But away the snobbishness and recognize them as competent allies. There once was an alliance who much like TEST, had origins on a non Eve forum. They ended up losing all their space but ended up allying with another group. That alliances was the Goons and their allies was RA. The former owns half of 0.0 and the latter also had a long reign of rule in the drone regions.

Another often over looked entity is CVA. Considering BL just blew up a bunch of CVA dreads, I’m not sure they are looking to help them at all. This may prove difficult as CVA and provibloc tend to not want to upset the status quo of their region too much. Provi will prove to be a linchpin in this conflict if taken advantage of properly. From Provi you can lock down HED-GP, Catch’s only system to Empire space. One could go further and also lock down Efa and Kaira gates in Khanid region effectively cutting off SoCo from Empire space to a large extent. Use that money you have. There’s no point hoarding it. Find pirates, mercs, pay them by the kill to camp these gates. Promise sov, isk, ships, it doesn’t really matter.

A smart tactic that the HBC adopted when they invaded AAA was to promise AAA’s renters free renting space. And you know what? It worked really well. Eventually Montolio had to break his promise due to war expenses but by that time it wasn’t like the AAA renters could go back to AAA renting space…there was none.

Last but not least I’m sure if you throw Rooks a few billion isk, they’ll focus their pipe runs more on your enemy than you.

Negotiate with SoCo

So what is the point of step 1 and 2? To get to step 3 of course. You need step 1 so that you all speak with one voice and you need step 2 to have some leverage in step 3. I just have to ask, am I the only one that finds this war completely hilarious?

If any of you are familiar with the migration period, you’ll know why. For those of you who are not as familiar, you had a period in history known as the “Barbarian Invasion/Migration Period” where you basically had group after group move east to west through Europe due to various factors such as climate, but also because other people. It sort of went like this: The Magyar tribes moved into Europe because the Pechenegs were pushing them because the Kypchak/Cumans were pushing them. Likewise Eve mimics real life.

Solar are going to war because N3 took their space, because N3 lost their sov because the CFC pushed them out of it. AAA are fighting with Nulli because the CFC/HBC pushed Nulli out of Delve and AAA out of Catch. It’s all falling dominoes. Both sides haven’t figured out that it’s all the same players but that they’ve switched chairs.

So as N3 what can you do? Do you just ask “hey swap all our sov for yours?” Probably not as it would be an unfair, and difficult trade. What N3 can do is pick and choose which of their current opponents would make better allies. If you are seriously showing up to the timers thinking “well this is a good ship doctrine, hope we win” you will lose.

So ask yourself, what do your enemies want and what can you negotiate? Solar and RA want their Drone regions back, in effect taking most if not all of N3’s sov and income. There’s no real middle ground, nor are they all that central to SoCo. They greatly bolster their numbers and capabilities but we could probably consider their flexibility to be fairly minimal.

But how far east does AAA and Dark want to go? I doubt they want to set up in the Drone regions. More than likely they would be happy simply having the territory that Red Overlord had. If giving up a couple regions in the south to AAA would mean taking AAA and Dark out of the war, wouldn’t it be worth doing? Then you would face Solar, who’d be upset at AAA/Dark naturally, who’s only option would be to attack via Curse with a weakened RA. I doubt Black Legion would care to stick around for that.

Nulli would be best to approach this sort of deal and I’ll tell you how to do it. Remind AAA that their woes are not due to anything N3 had done, but rather the CFC which pushed them out of Catch, just as they pushed Nulli out of Delve. Right there you have a common bond. Furthermore, that CFC/HBC invasion of the south happened only because Red Alliance was given Querious in a peace treaty, but that they were not content with such a deal. Here you go further to draw AAA away from their war ally, and truthfully this really is the case.

If AAA understands this, and they have regions like Omist and Tenerifis, what would be their purpose in the war? Help Solar and RA, former/possible enemies gain a bunch of regions in the east? Both of which are entities on friendly terms with the CFC who has been a historic enemy of AAA? What would be the point?

Think about it, give those regions to AAA, negotiate for a peace, plan for what Nulli REALLY wants to do and what the “purpose of N3” is. Two sides are fighting over a “wrong” a third did.


Long is the arm
Swift is the Blade
Deep is the Cut
Subtle is the poison

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Seraph IX Basarab

245 Comments

  1. Soldarius

    It has begun. Within 12 months the big blue donut will be a reality.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:00 pm Reply
    1. slo

      actually if solar and co succeed cfc will just turn on them.

      November 13, 2013 at 8:08 pm Reply
      1. staindweler

        cfc never atacked rus alliance space,they only atacked WN in the north after WN planed invasion of deklien ( fair war,and WN was less than half RUS )

        and in catch TEST and HBC invaded catch,CFC stoped at 49-u.

        TEST actualy did us favor by removing american influence from -a-

        so friends in N3 think you will hold droneland by spring?

        November 13, 2013 at 8:37 pm Reply
        1. slo

          apparently you are an idiot i said, “if the Russians succeed in taking all of n3 space the cfc will turn on them.” Learn to read,

          November 13, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
          1. CFC Grunt

            He’s Russian which means hes to fucking stupid to read. Oh and don’t talk back to us, because you Russians are our bitches and if you say the wrong thing to offend us we will curb stomp you.

            November 13, 2013 at 9:16 pm
          2. Plop

            Cdc have never cur stomped anybody. They have been the ones curb stomped when idiots like you don’t outnumber people with3 to 1 odds so how a bout stop following blindly, CDC were alwas shit.

            November 13, 2013 at 10:27 pm
          3. Plop

            Cfc*. Curbstomped*

            November 13, 2013 at 10:29 pm
          4. helpy

            I sure hope the scientists at the CDC have better writing ability.

            November 18, 2013 at 6:29 pm
        2. banned username

          Also an idiot for saying that “cfc never attacked rus alliance space”. Must have been my imagination when they invaded -A- and ROL space.

          November 13, 2013 at 9:08 pm Reply
  2. Reality

    Russians Tend not to Honor agreements with non russians. The -a- of today is not the -a- of yesterday, to compare the 2 is to compare water and oil. And Im in the -a- today and loving it, but it has a lot of rebuilding to do before it becomes anytthing near as relevant as it was before.

    That said instead of preemptively attack offering the new DRF tenerifis and Omist could have turned them into allies instead of enemies. But instead N3 decided to fuck with the conquest of a meaningless alliance in catch.

    The DRF has been reborn thought, and it is a powerful coalition. This isnt a war that will be decided by the outcome of fights. This is a war of wills, who will keep fleeting up for the longest

    November 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm Reply
    1. slo

      Solar become allies with n3 get dd and triple a letting solar move in was basically an act of war eventually if n3 just sat there they would of invaded. we just started the war sooner.

      November 13, 2013 at 8:39 pm Reply
    2. asshole

      im sorry for the DRF to be reborn they would actually have to hold the drones lands. since no one in the new coalition owns space in the drones lands and only 1 of them actually held the drones lands in the past (cant count RED as they only held 1 constellation in drones and they are not the same RED as the old RED much like -A-) u cannot say that the DRF has been reborn. please stfu now

      November 13, 2013 at 10:51 pm Reply
  3. slo

    Giving space to your enemies wouldn’t a good idea fo rn3 if n3 would end up giving drone regions up wouldn’t stop the war and even if they did solar and co would bully them to become pets just like they were doing before the n3 invade solar space.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:07 pm Reply
  4. superspy17

    Why write it in English and still bother to post it in Daedric

    November 13, 2013 at 8:11 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      It’s a bit of an inside thing with me and someone else. 😉 Others can have fun if they follow along.

      November 14, 2013 at 12:07 am Reply
  5. Sigh

    Easier said than done. That would be ideal as a strategy, however -A- have already gone back on an agreement, wich started this war off, what’s to say they will honour any other agreement.

    But it’s true it’s a matter of time until the Russians back stab each other.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm Reply
    1. south

      -a- did not break agreement,we blued other russians,that was it,then you broke the agreement with sbu of ge-8

      last treason by americans,we stop in geminite and tenal

      November 13, 2013 at 8:33 pm Reply
      1. Spanner

        Your thick as shit, that fact out the way.

        I will now state the agreement.
        -A- we’re not to work with Solar at any rate. Any rate!!!
        And -A- have Solar a station system to stage from to start attacks on N3.
        The intention and proof was all there.
        Proof that -A- did break the agreement, so lie however much you like won’t change that being the fact.
        Trust Russians there word is as good as a hookers word that they will stop sleeping around and taking drugs.

        November 13, 2013 at 9:35 pm Reply
        1. asshole

          sorry the gypsy is bad with English

          -A- were to stay out of the war with Solar but they decided to blue them and thier allies and give them docking rights threw out their space, and allow them to Stage out of one of their station systems.

          im no expert but i do see that as helping solar and all but openly declaring war with N3. why else would you allow Solar and its allies to base out of your space so close to the N3 Border.

          rather then start the war on the back foot N3 said “fuck it” and tried to go for a head shot. which Should have worked tbh but as everyone knows there were some party crashers. they expected that CFC would come down it was not hard to imagine. so GG N3 for having balls and DBRB still cant kill a super cap… just saying.

          November 13, 2013 at 10:59 pm Reply
  6. EasyKill

    Pn’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn

    November 13, 2013 at 8:19 pm Reply
  7. Northern Vet

    If CFC want to help the stain wagon and take all our space fine, we will just keep on fighting because frankly that’s all we care about in the end.

    Negotiate with the Russians? I am pretty sure there no chance of that, they do hate us after all. And if we did negotiate with them who would we fight next? The CFC well they can clearly blob us out of the sky with like 1500 Megathrons or something so frankly that’s not an option. Id much rather opt for the fights as they are now fairly even numbers (well most of the time) and Russians that like to pew pew as much as we like to pew pew and not grind structures all day

    Nah ill stick with the way things as they are right now please

    November 13, 2013 at 8:23 pm Reply
    1. SoCo-grunt

      Could not agree more.. :)

      November 14, 2013 at 7:45 am Reply
  8. GSection

    Great write up, thanks.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
  9. Nc. Scrub

    This article seems like one big bashing. Mate don’t about the rest of n3, NC. Likes to fight. Which is what the Russians are doing. It’s pretty entertaining. Nobody wants to fight againstt he CFcCas a whole. Why in the hell you we want peace….really what is there to do with peace….boring ass game, just as boring of fight CFC with 2000vrs 50o

    November 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
    1. High sec. Scrub

      I think you meant to say: ” This article seems like one big bashing mate. See the N3 likes to fight just as much as the Russians do (It’s pretty entertaining). Nobody wants to fight the CFC as 2000 vs. 500 is fucking boring, Just as boring as peace, so why would anybody want to do that? “

      November 14, 2013 at 8:06 am Reply
  10. GrouchyOldGamer

    Goons are third partying the shit out of this war, now I can see why N3 liked doing into Fountain.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:41 pm Reply
  11. wut

    Interesting read.

    About provi bloc , i think you will only find them blueing you if their region (providence + some catch border) being theatened,

    apart from that, i dont think they would wanna get involved (as you said)

    Test could give a nice padding in the big fights, hey dont have sov to lose and it might be possible to have them provide some 200man bs / bc fleet, which really doesnt hurt!

    November 13, 2013 at 8:44 pm Reply
  12. -_-

    N3 is not going to give away space to try and get peace.

    1. the Russians would take the space and carry on fighting.
    2. N3 are proud to be the best PvP coalition, if they lost the sov war it would not change the fact that they are the better players. The fact they are the better players is why they are always so heavily outnumbered and despised by the weaker players bent on their “destruction”.

    3. N3 doesn’t need to win the sov war, Nulli and NC. know that sov is only temporary, if they lost they would just move onto other things, reputation in fully in tact.

    4. If N3 were to loose their space this would in fact probably be good for Nulli and NC. who would almost certainly become long term mercenaries and more importantly leave only the Russian coalition and the CFC in null sec, forcing them to engage each other, as if the CFC did nothing they would be in real danger of being second to the Russians.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:48 pm Reply
    1. BS

      “N3 are proud to be the best PvP coalition” lol

      November 13, 2013 at 8:55 pm Reply
      1. Sigh

        Well they are the best Pvp coalition, and they tend to fight outnumbered, don’t see anything wrong there.

        Also true the weaker entities band together to blob the guy they couldn’t have beat on their own.
        That’s how it’s done these days but it is the truth.

        November 13, 2013 at 9:30 pm Reply
        1. hahahah nerd

          And thats why n3 blobbed the fuck out of SOLAR. Because the weak tend to stick together.

          Thanks for proving how cowardly n3 really is.

          November 14, 2013 at 12:15 am Reply
          1. anonymous

            Solar had their own allies which you always fail to mention just because they were not there at the end of the war.. It is not our fault that as the war progressed all of their allies folded one by one.

            November 14, 2013 at 3:43 am
        2. mouthmoney

          LOL! Can’t wait to see how fast “the best” get tossed in the dumpster this time.
          Anyone want to put money on whether or not they last longer than Test did?

          November 17, 2013 at 4:27 am Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      Pretty delusional thinking. “Even if we lose, we’re still better.” Cognitive dissonance at its worst…

      November 14, 2013 at 1:53 am Reply
    3. -_-

      how dare you take my name!

      November 14, 2013 at 2:05 am Reply
    4. trips

      This N3 Spartan narrative has been repeated so many times it’s almost cute, if it didn’t want to make my puke in my breakfast. The only person to blame for your current plight is Vince Draken, who has as much trustworthiness as The Mittani when confronted with a region of R64 moons. Grow up and get better guys – even if you’re outnumbered, writing this Spartan narrative bullshit won’t change the reality on the ground.

      November 14, 2013 at 3:29 am Reply
  13. Duh

    PL runs N3 and thems the facts. Nulli or NC would not and could not exist without PL. They cant and dont make any moves without PL authorisation and need PL backup to make those moves.

    When NC and Nulli begin to break- PL will throw them under the bus and cut a deal with goons to be able to keep some renter space. Watch

    November 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm Reply
    1. YOLO

      You chat utter shit from ass.
      Not…worth…!!!

      November 13, 2013 at 9:27 pm Reply
    2. lolol

      Poster does NOT know NC. Or PL enough to make this comment. NC. Does what it wants, when it wants. Do u not know why NC. has little friends? Ur also not remembering when NC. And CFC were at war. NC. Only conceeded to CFC when they were fighting AND HOLDING three regions. Gave them three months of tech goo to stfu and leave sov alone. Know ur eve history before posting.

      Btw PL is renting drone regions to about 2k russians. Think all of rusrus is in the fight? Loads are paying PL

      November 13, 2013 at 10:15 pm Reply
      1. Renter

        Better to pay PL and get treated reasonably than be a -A-/Solar renter and be treated like shit pets under their boot.
        N3 have been a decent coalition to rent from, do what they say, let us get on with what ever we want, due to them always roaming, systems getting camped is rarely an issue.

        November 13, 2013 at 10:47 pm Reply
      2. Seraph IX Basarab

        What is the point of beating your chest over the internet? It’s stupid to talk like that. “So and so does what they want when they want.” Sound like some pregnant 12 year old girl on Jerry Springer. Nobody is impressed.

        November 14, 2013 at 1:51 am Reply
      3. Duh

        I’m IN Ncdot high command you nerd. I know for a fact PL orders Vince around and he’ll do whatever it takes to maintain that relationship otherwise the supers are at risk. Risk-free pvp is what its all about.

        November 14, 2013 at 2:21 am Reply
        1. NC.

          You must be a retard, Whats your name in NC. I’ll make sure to tell Vince that we have a twat running around thinking he is in NC. High command when there really is only 4 People Running NC. you fucking bafoon. I can tell you your not one of those 4. PL cant boss us around because we have more supers then them, and that is a fact.

          November 14, 2013 at 2:59 am Reply
        2. anonymous

          You are in Black Legion actually and you know nothing about us. Go back to sniping in your tengus to preserve your killboard stats while your allies actually fight.

          November 14, 2013 at 3:46 am Reply
        3. alexander jabez

          Oh are you? Because no one in our leadership calls it high command you fucking power nerd

          November 15, 2013 at 3:27 pm Reply
    3. BL>N3

      sorry, but PLs space is on the chopping block and nothing will change that.

      November 14, 2013 at 12:12 am Reply
    4. Viktor Fel

      Especially now that EMP is a major part of N3 this is true. I spent months FCing fleets on ops that were basically doing PLs stuff they couldn’t be bothered with.

      November 14, 2013 at 4:21 pm Reply
  14. morebortsigns

    Alot of stuff that should be done but wont happen because its eve and shit dont pan out like your perfect daydream,wont find any pirates,rooks and kings dont care about your isk they want kills,CVA wont side with anyone….ever..
    Only deal i can see that can be made by N3 at this point would be with TEST.
    But i honeslty dont really know what state test in is anymore…if its just a zombie or actually alive anymore.
    Not sure they would like to deploy to fight the blob that broke their back.

    N3 cant win this fight longterm and they are the only party to have anything to lose,all other entities are using this to rebuild themselves and wants this fight.

    November 13, 2013 at 8:52 pm Reply
    1. Dumb Ruski

      Early days, Rus/BL depend on cfc support, they rely on cfc support to give them the numbers odds, if they didn’t have cfc support they wouldn’t have a hope of winning a war in the long run against N3, but there would be entertaining fights never the less.
      So as long as Rus/BL can not back stab each either long enough and act as a puppet for Mittens then they have a chance and odds to succeed.

      Everything is still wide open, anyone decisively saying X party WILL win is a fool.

      November 13, 2013 at 9:44 pm Reply
    2. NC.

      If anything N3 will win this long term. The Russians do not have as much isk as N3 does no matter how much money the cfc gives them. If they give them a trillion’s of isk the cfc might as well deploy down here themselves.

      November 14, 2013 at 2:53 am Reply
  15. -shit-

    this site is now officially as shit as mittani shit

    November 13, 2013 at 8:59 pm Reply
    1. sadleric

      I would usually agree, but have you read the TMC piece on -CFCBLRUS- winning a battle they lost?

      November 13, 2013 at 9:36 pm Reply
      1. YOLO

        Mitten spin best spin, has so many retards beleiving garbage at the best of times, sometimes he almost gets me to forget truth facts over the spin.

        November 13, 2013 at 9:40 pm Reply
      2. Who knows
        November 14, 2013 at 12:00 am Reply
        1. Fail
          November 14, 2013 at 12:03 am Reply
        2. sadleric

          1) 50v31b is nothing in terms of losses on both sides. This is pointless to point out because:

          2) Eve-kill is scrambled to hell. Use the brdoctor the other fellow in this thread is providing.
          3) I hope to heaven you’re not a Goon unironically linking :kbstats:. I hear the next expansion has themes of perdition, and I’m not talking about EvE.

          November 14, 2013 at 2:13 am Reply
  16. DrkyDrky

    IF CFC really wants to help SoCo, they need to dogpile on SoCo vs. N3 fights, NOT create a second front.

    N3’s true weakness lies not on fighting a 2 front war (they can fight it off easily using JB network) but on maintaining their capital supremacy. CFC has proven in the Fountain that when enough Baltecs & FYFs are deployed, capital fleets can easily be demolished.

    If N3 was forced a choice, they’d rather have a 2nd front rather than fighting an unstoppable armada.

    November 13, 2013 at 9:42 pm Reply
    1. ito kazami

      on full force deployement, CFC on its own is an unstopable armada.

      so a second front would mean N3 facing an unstopable armada in north , and angry russians in south.

      November 13, 2013 at 9:45 pm Reply
      1. Ahaa

        But at least N3 would be able to fight and compete/win on southern front.

        Fact is if everyone shit piles you at the same time there’s nothing anyone could do to change an outcome of it being war lost.
        If everyone fought cfc they would fall gaurantee, which is why mittens breaks people up through lies manipulation, and currently using Rus as a puppet.

        November 13, 2013 at 10:06 pm Reply
        1. n3 is shit

          N3 cant compete nor wiil they win. this was proven on tuesday when n3 logged off in a system when they were getting pounded on by a smaller force.

          N3 is shit. they have been shit, always will be shit and guess what? soon they will be homeless. FW is in N3s future, so you should figure out what faction you will be joining so you can grid up your standings.

          November 14, 2013 at 12:08 am Reply
          1. Replying to a Dummie

            Mad much?

            That’s funny because a Solar fleet logged off in safe other day when N3 Proteus fleet tried pinning them down.
            Rus without numerical advantage did not wish to fight, being similar numbers an all.
            So does that mean by your retarded logic that This proves Rus has lost the war?

            No it only proves that that Rus FC was a coward on the day at that time.

            November 14, 2013 at 12:44 am
    2. Think about it

      You realize that mittens does not want to displace NC., PL, NULLI and maybe EMP right?

      Why?
      Because if they become homeless you will see shit tier CFC alliances colapse left right and center. Because on their own they are just that SHIT. How much do you think it takes to pick FA or LAWN apart?

      Right not that much just that nobody had any interest in doing so. Which means he prefers it to stay that way.

      November 13, 2013 at 10:26 pm Reply
      1. CFC is shit

        CFC wants to keep N3 away from their territories as far as possible. On their own each of the CFC alliances are shit.

        November 14, 2013 at 3:36 am Reply
        1. the cow says

          Says the hisec ice miner!

          November 18, 2013 at 10:20 pm Reply
    3. Dennis the Dreamer

      dogpile no tidi heavy server will be broken. probably best two or 3 systems with same number of people fighting will be good.

      November 14, 2013 at 2:24 am Reply
    4. Guy

      n3 would have participation drops if they had to keep bouncing back between the north and south. I know it only takes half an hour, but it begins to get annoying if you’re having to bridge four regions up every two days.

      November 14, 2013 at 5:21 am Reply
  17. ito kazami

    N3 was badly shaped from the start. not a true coaliton , more a pile of alliances with differents goals , and some common interrest.
    because of that , no strong leadership can arise.

    as they needed numbers , they did enrole litteraly anyone in N3 , some are truely playing the coalition game , some never did and never will.
    N3 leadership also made some fatal errors , most obvious was starting a war with solar , and also teaming up with PL.

    and last but not least , N3 leadership seems unable to make grunts mass loggin in the game for more than 2 weeks in row.

    the joke has lasted long enough now. it’s time for N3 to die.

    November 13, 2013 at 9:43 pm Reply
    1. Lawl Sperge

      Your terrible at this shit, you expect people to take that tripe seriously.

      NCdot/PL were contracted by RA/xXdeathXx to push Solar and friends back.
      This very early war saw Solar stab WN and allies in the back creating the civil war.
      Solar were raping RA/xXdeathXx so can’t blame them for buying support at the time.

      Solar took that personally against NCdot/PL although they were contracted no differently than how Solar Contracted BL.
      In essence Solar hated the fact that NCdot/PL were contracted and did push solar back. Solar likes to think its the best most elite Rus alliance with pets around it & doesn’t take kindly to losing persistantly against NCdot.
      History and actions support this.
      Their Ego and greed are their biggest weaknesses, Mactep is a nut case, got to be something wrong with the dude.

      November 13, 2013 at 9:53 pm Reply
      1. Geth

        Lol at whole “Solar stab WN and allies in the back creating the civil war” thing.
        WN was neutral for SOLAR at this time, and the so-called “allies” have sheltered the fugitive director BigMaman, who stole 900b from SOLAR. Any self-respecting alliance would start the war after that.

        November 14, 2013 at 3:28 pm Reply
      2. Jara Mulkka

        Confirming that Lawl Sperge is in-fact sperging uncontrollably. As Geth says, WN had no involvement in the war and SOLAR did not aggress WN whatsoever, so “backstabbing” WN is just BS. And it was in-fact LOD that betrayed SOLAR first in regards to the alliance thief, BigMaman.

        Furthermore, SOLAR was raping LOD/RA despite being outnumbered 3+:1. Remember, at that time, SOLAR only had 1200 dudes (plus a couple hundred more from WING) vs. RA with 2000+ (IIRC), LOD (1600) and their shit ton of pet alliances (Flamebridge, RED Legion etc.). Obviously SOLAR would resent NC./PL for adding to the dogpile just as SOLAR were barely squeaking out (sov) victories bit by bit. NC. and PL’s involvement almost stole the war for LOD, if it wasn’t for the heroic SOLAR resistance in Cache and the participation of Gypsy Band and AAA towards the end of the war. Seeing victory in sight during a hard fought war and having that taken away from you because of the “greed” and “cowardice” (as N3 would later say of SOLAR when they tried to take advantage of Dotbros in Geminate) of NC./PL sucker punching/taking advantage of SOLAR in the middle of a difficult fight/war, of course SOLAR is going to develop an enmity towards PL/NC. And SOLAR gave it to NC. just as good as they got, so the whole “persistent history of losing against NC.” is propaganda BS frankly.

        Lastly, someone from NC. criticizing an alliance leader for having too great an “ego” is pretty rich considering you have Vince Draken, probably the biggest douchebag/ego in all of EVE. He’s right up there with The Mittanni.

        November 16, 2013 at 4:08 am Reply
  18. stfu

    Stfu Shlomo

    November 13, 2013 at 9:51 pm Reply
  19. Star

    I like how people saying -a- broke the agreement. We had a agreement about sov bashing n3 broke it by saying we blued solar. Who cares Who we blue that dont give any reason to use a form of aggression aka sbu g3..

    November 13, 2013 at 9:53 pm Reply
    1. Excuses

      You don’t understand agreements then I suppose.
      There are certain terms and conditions that are set.
      There’s no flexibility in an agreement when it states not to help Solar in anyway shape or form.
      So saying well ok ill just give solar this station to base out from in striking distance of all N3 Sov, that is breaking the agreement fuck head, there’s absolutely no flexibility in a definite agreement.
      Your trying to beat about the bush ignoring the simple fact of the breach.

      November 13, 2013 at 9:58 pm Reply
      1. star

        Lol i understood the agreement very much.. but it was broke even before we blued solar. Nulli broke the agreement set when they helped TWATS multiple times when we tried to take their station thats when the agreement was broken

        November 13, 2013 at 10:23 pm Reply
        1. Yawn

          You admit you tried taking their station then, TWATs being under N3s protection, it’s no wonder nulli helped them.

          November 13, 2013 at 10:41 pm Reply
          1. -a- ustz

            The agreement was we give them kw if they don’t assist in us taking any system in catch including twats system. What they do broke the agreement

            November 13, 2013 at 10:55 pm
          2. -A- Grunt

            The agreement was NIP and don’t interfere with any retaking of SOV in Catch. TWATs took sov in Catch long before -A- was retaking Catch, and N3 decided to break that agreement and defend timers. The only system/station N3 were agreed to have in Catch was KW-. They broke the agreement, they will burn. братья по оружию

            November 13, 2013 at 11:27 pm
          3. Derp

            N3 already owned the system as you stated before, there wasn’t anything stated for -A- to retake N3 assets already in catch, just that -A- would be able to retake catch that was not already N3s free of opposition.
            Soo…

            November 13, 2013 at 11:54 pm
        2. guest

          You realise TWATS is part of the N3 coalition? no?

          November 14, 2013 at 2:05 am Reply
  20. M1k3y_Koontz

    SOLAR will never worth with N3, they’re just too mad.

    November 13, 2013 at 9:58 pm Reply
    1. Sigh

      Solar is ok it’s Mactep that’s the stubborn Ass running the show in solar, making it their issue to have him holding the reigns.

      November 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm Reply
      1. Washi Meisei

        Aye. Solar Fleet members are cool. Mactep has issues.

        November 14, 2013 at 3:06 am Reply
  21. a

    CFC attack from north,Souther coalition south side and we smash bugs

    November 13, 2013 at 10:05 pm Reply
    1. dichzor

      as long as Pathetic Legion loses its supercaps, count me in!

      November 14, 2013 at 7:13 am Reply
  22. yeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

    BLITZKRIEG 😀

    November 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm Reply
  23. Digby

    I got to agree with Seraph…. on somethings!!

    Mainly, CFC and the HBC thing.. I have never understood why any of the south Alliances think its oki to align with Goons and friends.

    November 13, 2013 at 10:24 pm Reply
    1. Real Life bitter hate

      Probably because it’s a video game. But who knows, vOv

      November 13, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
  24. reformed bitter vet

    i would like to point out the ncdot has many bitter vets. now cfc does have its share but they have come to terms with their bitter vet status…n3…not so much.

    November 13, 2013 at 11:16 pm Reply
    1. Lola

      You have no point, and it’s easy for anyone to say that.
      Truly N3 likes war, they like content, they like the game to be challenging.
      If you don’t like that then a logical explanation is your in cfc.

      Everyone has a place. They same way if say Rus or N3 were defeated they would have to go somewhere, NCdot/ PL/nulli etc would never be renters.
      Infact a PL/NCdot leaned up and back in mercenary business would be a lot of peoples worse nightmare, the amount of tears from everyone they would randomly gank, if half as much as it was before then many bears/alliances would have the unknown factor of are we next, are we going to get hot dropped, ganked etc,not knowing where they might strike. At least here you know they have responsibilities withing their coalitions, so are somewhat limited.

      November 13, 2013 at 11:40 pm Reply
  25. heh

    Providence won’t side with anyone on this. They will merely whore when they can. If you are asking yourself why in general, or why won’t they man up?

    Why should they?

    1.) They constantly are threatened by both parties involved, meaning you guys aren’t exactly wanting to be friends with them.

    2.) They know you won’t offer them anything in return… and more likely stab them in the back whenever possible

    3.) If anything all it does is create enemies that don’t just want to be frenemies, but actually be pissed off at them for possibly turning a side in a war.

    4.) Basically theres no positives, and only negatives can come from this for provi… so don’t ever expect them to take sides, just merely whore whenever possible.

    This could be a weak move, but its more likely a smart move. It’s more weak to sell out and to side with people who don’t like you anyways. So why bother? In fact posting anything more about Providence possibly helping (Article keeps saying CVA but they aren’t even most of the force) is just dumb and should be noted that it is in the future. They don’t want to help because either side they pick is a losing side for them. It’s better to have frenemies than real bitter enemies especially when they already kick you around as it is.

    November 13, 2013 at 11:58 pm Reply
    1. hehe

      CVA who?

      November 14, 2013 at 7:24 am Reply
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        One of the oldest alliances in the game, Idiot.

        November 14, 2013 at 10:00 am Reply
  26. Duh

    PL- the leader of the N3 coalition considers their meatshield of nulli and ncdot to be subhumans. Congratulations on getting cuckolded in a video game scrubs :D:D:D

    November 14, 2013 at 12:33 am Reply
    1. anonymous

      Right that is why they show up to fights in nullified tengus and snipe at 220KM while their allies take all the heavy hits as they brawl on top of their enemies….. Oh wait that is Black Legion.

      November 14, 2013 at 3:34 am Reply
      1. na

        BL only fly one fleet doctrine. Tell us more, im all ears.

        November 14, 2013 at 10:00 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          Not saying that. Just saying that if we are talking about which Legion considers their allies meatshields I would say the one that uses that useless fleet doctrine just to preserve their killboard stats are using their allies as meatshields. PL fights next to us and suffer their own fair share of losses.

          November 14, 2013 at 2:49 pm Reply
          1. stainres

            I do believe it was N3 subcapitals dying in droves to protect PL carriers in KW and GI.

            November 14, 2013 at 11:31 pm
          2. anonymous

            Actually in KW us and PL were both in slowcats and were putting all of our combined carriers on the line to save one of our (NC.) titans that was getting bumped away from us. What fight was there in GI?

            November 15, 2013 at 4:03 am
    2. dichzor

      has PL ever *not* considered their meatshield subhuman scrubs? oh wait, let me rephraze that. Have PL’s meatshield ever been anything else, but subhuman scrubs? however, i disagree with the notion that the glorious NC. are the same as rest of N3. Clearly, the gentlemen from NC. are some kind of genetically augmented, better, faster, stronger and more intelligent subhuman trash.

      November 14, 2013 at 7:38 am Reply
  27. qwer

    Can’t we just call them Rustards?

    November 14, 2013 at 12:49 am Reply
  28. Shadowblade1436

    ~A~ isn’t just fighting for the regions, They want to KILL Nulli… ~A~ has been pissed at Nulli sense the Delve war. So if you think N3 giving ~A~ a few regions will stop this, it won’t. This war will go till one side is driving out of null. again.

    November 14, 2013 at 1:03 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I think the anger is really misplaced. Nulli was upset about how -A- “defended” their ally, aka Makalu bringing in a token Tengu fleet to snipe some kills. At least that is how i have heard Nulli describe it. Fact of the matter is there wasn’t enough trust put between Nulli and AAA so Delve, PB and Catch were lost. With Makalu gone, the sins can be placed on his head and Nulli and AAA COULD become allies again. Or they can continue to fight while the third watches and wins. When two fight, a third wins.

      November 14, 2013 at 1:49 am Reply
      1. Gothic Light

        And maka is with PL, which is allied with Nulli/N3.

        You are correct the pre-hbc soco “led” by -A- threw nulli under the bus after nulli offered to take the lead and actually organise a defensive war. This was more a difference of perspective though as Rusrus always tends to play the semi-long game where they lose all their space, retreat into stain then come back and retake it during the winter. Nulli didn’t think that was a good strategy for their alliance and found allies whos view was more in line with their own when it came to sov war.

        The reality is that Mittens won Eve, everyone just needs to accept this and stop crying about it spouting whatifs. He’s played every remaining entity of note in nullsec against each other so many times they will _NEVER_ work together even if it meant they could destabilize the goon hegemony of null.

        Just go back to your respective wars, get fights and entertainment where you can, Eve will most likely be dying off within the next 3-5 years. It’s both a great game and a terrible game, it’s existed as the only option in a niche market for a very long time and that will be coming to an end soon.

        November 14, 2013 at 2:49 am Reply
        1. Soulxlight

          That won’t be coming to an end anytime soon. Eve is a game where cheating, griefing and stealing from other paying players is an accepted and encouraged activity . . . no other game coming out has anything like that. Most other games, even “sandbox” games put rules into place explicitly outlawing any type of mechanic like that which also limits the sandbox element of them. This is why every space MMO fails since they are basically space games based around WoW like elements. Once people realize they’re basically WoW in space they continue to play WoW and let their subscriptions laps. Eve is safe as long as they continue to improve Eve. While they might not grow substantially they’ll survive.

          November 14, 2013 at 4:27 am Reply
          1. Gothic Light

            Unless the sov system is modified in such a way as to discourage putting the maximum number of people into a single system at the same time Eve will probably “die” a lot sooner than you might think. When I say die I just mean hit the point where more players are unsubbing permanently then new players joining. The gameplay of Eve in nullsec is currently terrible, it’s only the player communities and the hoards of highsec casuals holding it all together at the moment.

            TiDi being marginally better then blackscreening isn’t any sort of arguement for a real improvement to actual gameplay. At least when you blackscreened in Uemon you could say, “Whelp fuck it, everyone else is blackscreened too.” Then go out to dinner. With TiDi you are pretty much forced to sit there in front of the PC for an hour or two waiting for a module to activate or enter warp while more and more people pile into a system making it even worse. That isn’t better. It doesn’t even address the real problem.

            I hate to sound like a completely jaded bittervet but I am simply not seeing anything in the works which would give me hope that Eve’s gameplay will improve within the next 2 years, if anything the problems will continue to get worse until a mass unsub exodus happens. I don’t even think there needs to be a replacement for Eve for this to occur.

            I dunno, maybe fozzie can tackle the sov system and supercaps to fix a lot of issues but I’m skeptical, getting the feeling it will be too little too late. Just my opinion.

            November 14, 2013 at 2:51 pm
      2. random

        yeah but nulli get some test corp aswell and it’s HBC not CFC who kick -A- from the south and nulli aswell when they where already busy in catch so don’t cry. Don’t try to get more insurance in yourself by writing this article

        After I will add, what’s the point of your article ? Are you afraid that
        nulli can lose a war to russians ? If I remember N3 leadership was
        like, it will be easy to destroy those russians right ?. imo they deserved it now.

        That game is reaching his end of life, when you look at how much super carrier we saw recently on field i.e.

        Imo they deserved it now.

        November 14, 2013 at 3:55 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          AAA got kicked out by HBC? You do realize TEST was failing horribly at doing anything effective without PL and the CFC there right?

          And you should also read other articles if you think I’m favoring N3 over SoCo. I wrote a similar article with more of a BL focus. I actually wrote about BL allying with AAA and friends before it happened.

          November 14, 2013 at 4:11 am Reply
          1. NC.

            I like your articles man keep them coming

            November 14, 2013 at 7:22 am
          2. coral

            Correction:
            TEST and PL were failing horribly at doing anything effective without CFC there.

            November 18, 2013 at 10:24 pm
  29. observer

    Russians will do what they do best win or lose they will turn on each other out of pure greed

    November 14, 2013 at 1:27 am Reply
    1. Barkaway

      Well not excatly, they will turn on each other because russians hate everyone and most of all other russian groups, they have proven that plenty of times during the years and they end up stabbing each other in the back..

      November 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
      1. Jara Mulkka

        What’s the evidence for this claim that Russians tend to backstab one another more than Americans or Europeans? What, because Russians have fought other Russians before? Hell, since the beginning of this game, it’s been just about non-stop wars where Americans have fought Americans and Europeans have fought Europeans. So, citing some sort of “Russian Civil War” doesn’t mean much, especially considering that Russians have fought mostly Russians on only one major occasion, whereas Europeans/Americans have fought one another in major (civil) wars just about every year since 2003.

        The SOLAR and LOD war was sparked by a director from SOLAR stealing 900 billion ISK (IIRC) and running to LOD, after which LOD refused to get the money back or punish the individual (IIRC), that built enmity between them and eventually led to war. How is that any different from the the personal incident involving Wicked Princess between BL and NC. that ended their friendship, created enmity and eventually led to this war?

        November 16, 2013 at 3:44 am Reply
  30. Roger the Alien

    n3= nuli, NCdot and Nexus Fleet but no one respects nor cares about Nexus Fleet and thats why N3 should be n2

    November 14, 2013 at 1:56 am Reply
    1. Duh

      SUBHUMANS

      November 14, 2013 at 6:14 am Reply
  31. Dennis the Dreamer

    All CFC got to do is take some system of N3 open up a second front war. then N3 will be broken from the inside, not because of the war. Just bury them already.

    Somehow, TRIBE & TEST were laughing at them silently in one corner. TRIBEscade have more respect with -A- than N3 dot dot.

    November 14, 2013 at 2:13 am Reply
    1. Duh

      CFC has sbus down in Oasa, Scalding Pass and Tenerifis currently =) RIP N3

      November 14, 2013 at 6:13 am Reply
    2. JIeoH Mocc

      TRIBE had zero respect i fear. N3 at least can fight SOMETIMES. TRIBE was simply shit.

      November 14, 2013 at 8:12 am Reply
  32. war anyone?

    A year ago SOCO was killed by the cfc, test, and pl. Why can’t you give this group a new name?

    November 14, 2013 at 3:20 am Reply
    1. Duh

      Their name is DTF but en24 and its writers are too clueless to know that..they have highsec and WH guys write about 0.0

      November 14, 2013 at 4:07 am Reply
      1. stainres

        The name is rather irrelevant. Most in AAA and DD still associate ourselves as the Stainwagon with some allies but people insist on naming groups no matter how temporary.

        SoCo works as well as any I suppose.

        November 14, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply
  33. dfsfsd

    Here is gents, n3, nc PL and ramdomize ex-bob corps talking about “evil empires” and numbers..are ridiculous.

    November 14, 2013 at 3:32 am Reply
    1. random scrub

      Did you read the article? it was wrote by a scrub in Southern Coalition.

      November 14, 2013 at 4:34 am Reply
      1. dfsfsd

        rly? This guy play in the “Southern Coalition”.. what “soco”? xDDDDDDDDDD.. This guy is a ignorant and full fake.
        And is clear for why, this guy not live never in stain and never play in 00 npc, becouse is imposible by game mechanics cut or “damage” the personal logistics for keep the party for a “normal” player, and that suggests this guy have a big problem if is true he play in “”soco””[onli in the head of autor].

        November 14, 2013 at 6:26 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Actually I lived in Stain during 2011 as part of Stainwagon. And yes you can “cut” or “damage” logistics by holding certain systems and territory. Holding the Khanid area gates leading into 0.0 and even some systems more in toward 0.0 will hamper logistics.

          For example when I was doing diplomacy for Venga Inc in Bombers Bar, we were constantly attacking HED-GP. When the CFC/HBC was pushing into Catch we caught several transports for fuel and ships heading to GE via the jump bridge route.

          November 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm Reply
          1. dfsfsd

            xDD o boy.. u think are HED is important? This guy…
            We live and fight mons and years wihout this vs cfc vs pl hbc etc.., u whrite now that is important for maintain the war,? u fuking kidding me? I am completely surprise.. I not talk about maintain a renter empire and troop of lemmings (as has happened to all those who have come), i talk about fuck all arround the motherland and is if happening now and happened in the past.
            Is simple to understand and no discussion possible

            November 14, 2013 at 9:54 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Was important enough to have Makalu try to pay us off to leave…

            I didn’t say HED was the most important system, but simply a piece of the puzzle. Certain systems have importance based on your strategy. And I don’t think AAA “wants peace” but I also don’t think they want to fight just to give solar some territory to rent out without anything in return. But who knows, maybe AAA is running a charity.

            November 14, 2013 at 11:05 pm
          3. dfsfsd

            But Maka is a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWMEtfCT5iY and not think like the rest of humans xD
            Personally for my the only way to n3/pl is go to north to start begin the work. and to start spending the money and stop the fuck out of cry about goons.

            November 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
      2. Seraph IX Basarab

        Didn’t realize I was in SoCo :x…

        November 14, 2013 at 5:31 pm Reply
  34. GuevoPeluo

    Seraph…. another day with a great dosis of nitrous oxide with LSD, another great phantasy article.

    November 14, 2013 at 4:14 am Reply
  35. The Man In Black

    As much asdown. If love to rag on CVA, I suspect theg won’tet involved, and that’s a good they side them. If they side with , n3 and lose, -a- burn provi down. If N3 wins, they woulnt do fuck all for CVA, same time s true if they side with SoCo.

    cva stays neutral due to not wanting to trade help for air.

    November 14, 2013 at 4:21 am Reply
  36. Sneaky SOB

    NC. is the USA military of the internet space ship sandbox. Everyone hates them because deep down they want to be them. The CFC and Russians can push them out of their SOV. Nothing will change as long as there is 0.0 NPC space to base out of. They will take their space back if they want. They have many experienced vets who can afford to play without SRP and would have just as much fun being mercenaries.

    November 14, 2013 at 4:50 am Reply
    1. Dennis the Dreamer

      NC.’s e-epeens are getting bigger, they think they’re l33t aliens. Time for them to be earthlings again if they want to survived. And just play like n00bs again.

      November 14, 2013 at 6:55 am Reply
      1. Grunt

        YOu sure you are not talking about Black Legion now?

        November 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply
    2. #yoloswaglord mad-dog2020

      Oh but the difference is the USA have actually fought decent opponents, whereas NC. shoot renters.

      l33t peeveepee pros

      November 14, 2013 at 7:51 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Its PL who shoot N3 renters!

        November 14, 2013 at 9:15 am Reply
        1. #yoloswaglord mad-dog2020

          I mean more so Provibloc

          November 16, 2013 at 7:13 am Reply
    3. JIeoH Mocc

      If they can’t hold it, how will they take it back?
      -A- and ROL and SE and the rest have lost their space a year ago. It was not the same alliances that have taken the space back, if you ignore the tickets. We’ll see if they have enough will to reform after they are evicted.

      November 14, 2013 at 8:11 am Reply
      1. Sneaky SOB

        Same as how -A- took there space back every time.

        November 14, 2013 at 9:51 am Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          As I said, -A- that lost space and -A- that took space isn’t quite the same thing. I will want to see if N3 will have the will to reform, or they will die like ROL, for example.

          November 14, 2013 at 11:12 am Reply
    4. Mixed Metaphores

      I’m confused, So who is gonna push the US military out of its SOV? The russians?

      November 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm Reply
  37. disqus_FrkRXP8F5n

    not the same -A- as 2012 here bro

    November 14, 2013 at 5:40 am Reply
  38. Red Orchestra

    Seraph, I really appreciate your articles, but I have to disagree with you. Whole article has basically only ONE idea behind it – What must be done on N3 side in order to keep space. You approach and assumption about this game is very different from N3 leadership’s view. Let me tell you why.
    1. You are trying to compare two different coalitions to each other and proposing one to use leadership structure from another. Just FYI N3 will never even think of doing whatever CFC did. Nobody in N3 will sign for having their one and only space tyran. CFC needs that kind of leadership because their players are incapable of doing things on their own. It’s much easier for them to be managed like that. N3 has a lot of old pilots in it who are proud of being capable getting shit done on their own or with small numbers. Those are pilots who basically are proud members of their corp first of all and only after they are members of alliance/coalition.
    2. Have you ever thought that perhaps this is exactly what N3 wants? I can say from NC. perspective that this is actually how people think game should be played. This game is about destruction and not creation. NC. pilots view this as a good turn of events, target rich environment, sort of a kid with machine gun running around and spraying bullets all over the place. Leading alliances in N3 are less tide to space and prefer to risk it for sake of an epic battle rather then kiss somebody’s ass to save it. While people in other coalitions view space as their home, majority of N3 member view it as a chance of picking a fight. I think I know Vince good enough to say that this is his happy hour. They will lose space, so what? They will just reform somewhere else, plan new campaign and dive into it.

    November 14, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
    1. EMP

      Thats why N3 is shit and will stay shit no rewards and no punishments there is zero incentive for member alliances to get involved.. Look at WHYSO, COWS and others their numbers suck dick yet WHYSO holds over 100 systems between their 3 alliances and renters.. Yet they never field more then 20 dudes? Sorry but they should have been removed long time ago. Half your coalition is shit and doesn’t bring numbers thank god we aren’t part of that pile of shit.

      November 14, 2013 at 8:26 am Reply
      1. Grunt

        That’s funny since EMP got what they have now thanks to N3/PL. Who gives af uck if you bring 20, 100 or 300 dudes. As long as you have fun doing pew pew, its all good right?

        November 14, 2013 at 12:41 pm Reply
        1. reality

          not if u wanna win

          November 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm Reply
          1. Grunt

            The only way to win EVE is to accomplish your personal goals. If you have done that, you have won in EVE, all things after that are just a bonus.

            November 14, 2013 at 2:45 pm
      2. joker

        Why so serious, bro?

        November 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm Reply
    2. JIeoH Mocc

      I’d believe that, if you weren’t trying to kite with the timers, which are not even good for your own side? So far you sound and act almost identically to the TDC, and you remember what happened with the TDS, right.

      November 14, 2013 at 8:36 am Reply
      1. Gothic Light

        Actually no, because no one cared in the slightest what TDS did. They didn’t even burn brightly and flare out, they did fuck all and disbanded.

        November 14, 2013 at 2:16 pm Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          So you do remember despite saying you don’t remember, all in the same post.
          Nice.

          November 14, 2013 at 4:16 pm Reply
    3. Seraph IX Basarab

      I first just want to say how much I appreciate an intelligent criticism of my articles rather than “where did X alliance touch you lulz.”

      1. When I was comparing N3 and the CFC it was only to contrast them. I understand that the N3 does not want to run things like the CFC. I personally wouldn’t want to be an alliance leader in a coalition where the leader of said coalition poaches and keeps my alliance only strong and competent enough to be of use to the “mother alliance.” So my suggestion wasn’t that N3 do what the CFC does, but rather simply consolidate some of its power and have a wee bit more centralization. N3 seems very much so like a “throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks” coalition. If you want long term success and a lasting impact you simply have to get “serious” and “professional” about how you do things. Sure the CFC come off as a bunch of slack jawed idiots but the leadership is very competent.

      2. I’m sorry to say this but I think point 2 outlines the “sour grapes” culture which is specific to the “elite pvp mentality.” You know…”didn’t want that sov anyway.” Well…yeah you do and so does your alliance and so does your coalition. If you didn’t want sov, you wouldn’t be holding sov. But the fact of the matter is, sov gets you rich, it gets you ships and it lets you shoot others. So in order to “destroy” you have to “create” even if all you are creating is a weapon. You don’t have to have sov to get fights. Drop all your sov, go base out of Torrinos in high sec and go attack the CFC via EC-P8R. Trust me you’ll get fights. I bet if you bring 500 dudes to EC-P8R every day, you’ll get a good fight every day. No timers, no sov mechanic bs etc. The argument that “we don’t want sov” reminds me of how Mittens complained about sov mechanics and that was the reason they did not go to war with the HBC when TEST actually a proper structure and organization to possibly even win the war in Fountain.

      So in conclusion, if people don’t want sov, they wouldn’t be holding it. And NCdot may be a better alliance “at pvp” man for man, I don’t disagree with this, but that’s not the only factor that makes you win wars.

      November 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm Reply
      1. Rhae

        I think your view of “winning” is wrong. N3 is winning this war for the simple reason of their is a war. N3 for the most part lives for fighting, the sov supports that habit and allows them to field about any ship they want. They now have constant fighting, that is allowing them to straighten up their house. New fc’s are getting to take out fleets and getting trained on the job, cap tactics are getting sharpened.

        Also what motivation does n3 have to really invade the russians seriously…think about it for oh 5 seconds. n3 was able to grind in a DAY what 4 regions, during fountain war…but cant take a system now……really… If n3 really was serious about ending this war, then every system would be sbu’ed, and around the clock super fleets…but this it not happening…..why…

        November 15, 2013 at 7:46 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Grinding 4 regions that nobody was invading but rather were simply un-soved from the inside is different than taking ONE system from an enemy that will defend it. It isn’t happening due to lack of capability. If N3 could, they’d be in VFK right now.

          November 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm Reply
          1. trudat

            Well said.
            The inability of the dotbro cheerleaders to get their heads wrapped around this is why they will be forever frustrated with nullsec politics.

            November 17, 2013 at 12:14 am
  39. I just do not know

    This will happen the normal Eve way, the DTF will start having an impact and the CFC will start deploying for fun and suddenly its a full on war, if the CFC come in full force and they will, N3 will get crushed. And no one should expect PL to stay with N3, they are only interested in their own position. And in any case CFC now have parity with N3/PL in terms of capitals, the only issue is that they are not as good at using them…

    November 14, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
    1. its a numbers game,

      when you have 4 times as many dreads as the other side has titans you don’t need to be “Good” with them you just need to get them all in the same system shooting at the same target when called and you pretty much just win.

      November 14, 2013 at 8:09 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Yeah, they had a big push to get dreads for a majority of their players and that is something that will seriously hurt N3. In fact I hope they hurry up and get to it, a big war with people losing a lot of stuff will help Eve a lot!!! The only question is whether NCDOT and PL will stand up and get turned into irrelevence by their losses… I doubt it!

        November 14, 2013 at 9:00 am Reply
    2. I just do not know

      Oh look at that, the CFC deploying for fun, well who would have guessed that, lol

      And while waiting for the 19th I am playing X-Rebirth, hmmm, getting interesting…

      November 16, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply
  40. Necromonger

    Russians are mad, no piece of land will make them happy.
    They are in this for the destruction of the Elites who drove them out of their home and backstabbed them.
    This war will not end well for N3 and PL,

    Oh seems CFC is also improving some presure, not much just a littlebit.
    Just enough to see if that elite bubble blows up.

    November 14, 2013 at 7:28 am Reply
    1. Dumbledore

      Sure Russians are mad, but “backstabbing” sounds a bit thick, given Solar’s actions in Tribute. Do you think that MACTEP thought he’d get away with it?

      November 14, 2013 at 7:29 am Reply
      1. Geth

        I do not remember SOLAR doing anything in Tribute.
        Last time I checked, the enmity between NCDOT and SOLAR began from NC/PL contract for XDeathX.

        November 14, 2013 at 3:12 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Dumbledore is right. When Dotbros (NCdot, BL, Nulli etc) were defending Tribute from the CFC, Solar hit them from the other side.

          November 14, 2013 at 5:46 pm Reply
          1. stainres

            Lets not forget Seraph that NCDot had struck SOLAR’s holdings in Geminate a few weeks before the Tribute war. SOLAR had ample reason to not assist and sought to regain what they’d lost.

            November 14, 2013 at 11:24 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            This is true. Vince Draken mishandled the war in Tribute badly on more than one occasion. He’s had ample opportunity to become a beloved leader of the crowds of anti CFC people all over Eve but he’s squandered it. I’m not sure he’ll have the chance again.

            November 15, 2013 at 1:45 am
          3. anonymous

            That is not true actually. We did not strike Solar’s holdings in Geminate a few weeks before the tribute war. Solar ambushed our carriers on one of our tech moons that brick squad reinforced kicking off our Geminate war that went on until we took Geminate from Solar/Gypsy Band.

            November 15, 2013 at 3:56 am
          4. Guy

            The whole Geminate thing, before the carrier losses, was a complete disaster. It’s a pretty good example of what was wrong with ncdot leadership. Brick squad should never have been able to take that space.

            November 15, 2013 at 5:46 am
          5. anonymous

            In the end it resulted in some of the most even sided fun fighting I have been a part of which is why I respected Gypsy Band and respect their reincarnation in Darkness of Despair.

            November 15, 2013 at 3:27 pm
          6. Lie Detector

            Whoa now! Wait a minute! Dotbros were only in Tribute for the kills.
            Right?
            Every single public statement from them insisted that they were only there to farm kills from the CFC and deny the CFC the use of it’s cap fleet. All just in fun.
            Sure the Dotbros took a mean ass whipping as a result, but why would they harbor a grudge against Solar if it were just gentlemanly horse play after all?

            November 17, 2013 at 12:07 am
    2. Mohamad's Comment

      last time i checked ,,, it was goons and HBC (Goon’s baby) who drove -A- out of catch… and now you consider goons as an ally?
      Goons just want to even things out at the moment and fuel wars so they kill weak coalitions rather than fight like real men… THey will kill you too once you get weaker same as they killed raiden before and killed HBC

      November 14, 2013 at 9:52 am Reply
      1. wordly

        The last time I checked, you were dumber than a dog.
        Some things never change.

        November 17, 2013 at 12:01 am Reply
  41. WatermelonChickenJesus

    somebody told me that N3 is getting fuckstomped. I dont get it anymore.

    November 14, 2013 at 7:45 am Reply
  42. JIeoH Mocc

    Dear writer, though i admire your ability to make a story out of virtually nothing, you managed to get even that “nothing” wrong.
    RA didn’t state anything about helping the NeoSoCo. They have only stated that they are about to harass their former pets DSP, and they claim that their goal is to drive them away. And so far they have only spoken, no deeds i managed to see actually confirm their goals.
    Regarding trading “territories for peace” i don’t think you grasped the statement by Unionn in the start of this conflict:
    “We will either finish this war back in T-8 (Stain initial home system for -DD- before taking down the HBC) or camping the shit out the station in Amamake.”
    I don’t see any offer/opening to resolve the differences by trading regions for peace in that, but then again diplomacy never ceases to surprise, so we’ll see. Maybe N3 will be willing to throw PL into the dumpster, that will be the day.

    November 14, 2013 at 8:08 am Reply
    1. whatever

      Agree.
      Also, let me quote the key sentence of this article: “Negotiate with SoCo”. That is the reason for this war: N3 are cowards. They dont deserve what they’ve got and should be purged. Aligning with PL was the surest way to get the agression of RUS. That alliance is the most despised one, for switching sides when odds are not is their favor. If EVE needs any kind of Legion, that should be the Black Legion, not the Pathetic one.

      November 14, 2013 at 11:42 am Reply
      1. Chris

        N3 (or at least NCdot) has been aligned with PL for at least a year and a half now. Its nothing new.

        Just wait until elo burns out. Then bl will disappear from relevancy for a few months. Exactly like it did last time.

        November 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm Reply
        1. fun with words

          Which means exactly…what?
          My guess is nothing. “Exactly like it did last time.”

          November 16, 2013 at 11:59 pm Reply
      2. Cloora

        BL. is a one trick pony. PL has proved time and time again to have the best minds in tactics and meta in EVE.

        PL is the best Legion and always will be.

        November 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm Reply
      3. EVE is no more

        You say N3 are Cowards? Yet they’re the only one standing up against CFC! I say all the CFC joiners are the ccowards instead :>

        November 14, 2013 at 5:29 pm Reply
        1. Forgive__Me

          N3 … ‘standing’ is the right choice of words … they haven’t done anything else …

          November 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      1. If RA are attacking any N3 entity, they are automatically helping SoCo, regardless if that is their intent or not.

      2. Words are words and everyone can say what they like. They neither impress me, more do they dictate fact, only actions do.

      November 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm Reply
  43. Danny Payne

    Whats all that shit text at the end ? Klingon ?

    November 14, 2013 at 9:25 am Reply
    1. Dumbledore

      He finally went mad. Which is what we all have expected for a long time.

      November 14, 2013 at 10:59 am Reply
      1. blub

        Its Daedric. Take the first Letter of every word.

        November 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
        1. Dumbledore

          LONG IS THE ARM
          SWIHT IS THE BLADE
          DEEP IS THE CYT
          SYBTLE IS THE POISON
          PRINCE OH PLOTS

          I guess I missed something or it didn’t go quite the way he wanted it to?

          November 14, 2013 at 12:31 pm Reply
          1. Dumbledore

            Or maybe cyt really is deep – go figure.

            November 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm
          2. blub

            U did well, he failed.

            November 14, 2013 at 1:10 pm
          3. Seraph IX Basarab

            Actually the letter for U is Yoodt. And yes I am quite mad in my mushroom tower. Chimchimirooooo

            November 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm
          4. blub

            Can’t wait for a whole article in daedric *lol*

            November 14, 2013 at 6:00 pm
          5. Gothic Light

            There is no X or Y in Daedric alphabet if I remember correctly, which is probably why the translation is a bit off?

            November 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm
          6. Lucy

            Guess speakers of Daedric don’t get that many SEXY women then ^^

            Go figure…

            November 14, 2013 at 11:06 pm
  44. Suicide

    Author still does not understand Black Le-.. I mean Stainwagon.

    November 14, 2013 at 11:17 am Reply
  45. RA dude

    U-huh, why go to war, let’s just trade regions and live in peace and harmony.

    And while I’m flattered that RA got so much attention and was even placed alongside Solar, but being a realist, I must say these two alliances are in different leagues. At the moment, RA is a minor player in this war, so I doubt any power block would seriously bother taking it into account in their strategy.

    It’s not certain if we get anything from anyone in this war, except for the opportunity to poke N3’s pets. But hey, this alone is a good enough reason for us to fight.

    November 14, 2013 at 12:06 pm Reply
  46. Le sigh

    Mittens and Darwin are having a great laugh at this.

    November 14, 2013 at 1:51 pm Reply
  47. DDvet

    “Nulli would be best to approach this sort of deal and I’ll tell you how
    to do it. Remind AAA that their woes are not due to anything N3 had
    done, but rather the CFC which pushed them out of Catch, just as they
    pushed Nulli out of Delve. Right there you have a common bond.”

    Pretty dumb. Nulli is hated more than CFC purely because nulli cut and run from the war to defend their space and then came back south, switched sides and invaded AAA space along side HBC. At least CFC/HBC were always hostile….AAA took goons space a few times….the CFC love they received was just part of war. Nulli on the other hand are at the absolutely bottom of the pond scum along side PL.

    November 14, 2013 at 3:06 pm Reply
    1. heh

      They didn’t really cut and run. They realized at the time AAA wasn’t going to help them out either so they figured it was like they weren’t even working with AAA once the shit hit the fan. That’s when they decided to leave.

      November 14, 2013 at 3:53 pm Reply
      1. WowthatisOBvious

        to they did cut and run.

        November 14, 2013 at 8:18 pm Reply
  48. MrSeb

    A lot of flaming and shit throwing here. I think you guys are missing the big picture here. N3 is not the enemy that controls half of New Eden.
    I ask the RUS block to think about it. After that you will see the strings that are attached to you and guess who is the puppet master?
    It is time to put the past grudges aside and look to the future. For the sake of the game.
    There is plenty of space for everyone once CFC falls.

    November 14, 2013 at 4:28 pm Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      Petition denied.

      November 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm Reply
    2. -a- ustz

      No n3 is the enemy they have what we want our space. They also started this war..

      November 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm Reply
      1. MrSeb

        Like I said, there would be plenty of space to go around.
        Now the fact of who started it sounds a little childish to my taste. It all depends when you think this all started. To me it was Tribute war, Solar had a chance to align with NC. but decided to do once again CFC-s bidding.
        It’s all a matter of perspective. And this way nothing changes. Mittens is still on his fat chair, laughing.

        November 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm Reply
        1. Mittens

          Its to late, cfc had done their work, and rus trusted them. We should try to ruin fun for mittens, he is simply a maggot.
          I can see him on his chair in 10 years, with all the real life time lost forever.

          November 14, 2013 at 9:23 pm Reply
          1. dfsfsd

            u are a irrelevant

            November 14, 2013 at 10:12 pm
      2. Makalu

        sorry, n3 didn’t start this war. However you are being told that they did, which is fine and well I guess. After all the south is in the business of lying to their members, I’ve done it for years.

        November 15, 2013 at 9:34 am Reply
    3. Jara Mulkka

      Technically, N3 DID start this war by SBUing GE, allegedly as a “pre-emptive strike” or to “send a message.” That was unquestionably the opening shot of the war. SW granting SOLAR docking rights for some station in Catch or w/e hardly counts as the start of this war (that’s what N3 claims). Lastly, someone ran the numbers a week or two ago and N3 actually own more systems than CFC, in-fact, nearly as many as CFC+SW. IIRC, the count was something like 900+ for N3, 700 or 800 for CFC and 300 for SW. N3 might even be making more money than CFC on account of all their renters too, so the future big baddy in EVE might not be CFC after all….

      November 16, 2013 at 3:26 am Reply
  49. EVE is no more

    lol does that mean SoCo are CFC pets now?

    November 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm Reply
    1. Bring T.Pain

      I would be careful about what you say about “CFC pets”.
      At least they get to win. And they’ve never been sent packing en masse from entire regions.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:54 pm Reply
  50. eve is real

    I know n3 has a large renter income. Anybody know what type of income the Russian + friends have and how they compare? I find this game hard to get into, but geesh its fun to watch these groups fight each other over resources and stuff.

    November 14, 2013 at 9:15 pm Reply
    1. Sigh

      Russians a lot of RMT from renters etc. A lot of botting, you only have to roam their space to see the tell tell signs.

      November 15, 2013 at 2:04 am Reply
      1. JA

        Pretty much the same rmt?, except SoCo/DTF rentals incomes pale in significance to N3’s trillions per month.

        Both entitles have high number self sufficient pilots and very very rich dudes tbfh.

        Also BL receive mercs isk and tributes or handouts depends on your POV?

        November 15, 2013 at 2:59 am Reply

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