In my last article I addressed the emerging southern coalition made up of DD, AAA, Solar, Black Legion etc. Some have referred to it as RUS, others as Stainwagon or Neo-Stainwagon, myself included. Unfortunately neither name really justifies them. For example, not everyone in those groups is Russian although the Russians make up a large portion. Next, Stainwagon more accurately describes the group of Stain residence such as Coven, Stain Empire, etc. For the sake of simplicity, we’ll just use “Southern Coalition” for the time being.

Now that we have that out of the way I’d like to refer to something more important in my previous article.

I had addressed that if the CFC decides to back up the SoCo, they should be careful not to do so at the expense of SoCo’s capability or risk destabilizing the region and causing more hardships for the CFC in the long run. Instead of dog piling into Catch to fight N3, a second front should be opened in order to draw N3’s strength in different directions. N3 is definitely the more developed and organized coalition, they aren’t that far developed to leave SoCo completely behind. I had recommended that Curse and the regions surrounding it would be one of the better areas of engagement.

While the CFC has not fully mobilized against N3, they have sent fleets to augment SoCo’s numbers giving them a slight edge. Yesterday EN24 published an announcement by Red Alliance that they would be supporting SoCo by invading via Curse in effect taking the suggestion to the CFC and doing it themselves. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t think “RA is doing this cause I published my rinky dink article” Rather, it was a fairly obvious move to anyone with a bit of strategic competence. Curse offers a perfect launching pad for RA providing stations, easy access to Empire space while also cutting off some supply links and making it difficult for N3 to reinforce logistically.

It’s difficult to say how the war would go without the CFC being involved. For me it is also difficult to give a damn because the fact of the matter is, they are involved. There’s no point about whining about how “unfair” it is anymore than whining about someone flying better implants than you. It’s also a pretty weak face saving argument for N3 yet you hear it all the time. People will form larger and larger groups to acquire their goals. It’s human nature. Accept this and DEAL WITH IT. There is no point wasting an ounce of frustration over this fact. Facts are facts. Flying cov ops I would constantly hear people whining about being “unfairly ganked” and then I would hear their explanation as to how it would not have happened that way had they done X Y and Z. But at the end of the day they were dead.

The same way the N3 membership is just going to have to accept that the CFC is not an entity that is aligned to their interests. For all intents and purposes, SoCo is more likely to be a friend in the future than the CFC. If this status quo is maintained, the east will fall to Solar and Red Alliance and it is simply a matter of time. But how did N3 get here and what can be done to avoid such a fate? I may seem harsh on N3 but the harshness really does come from a place of sugar, love and all nice things. With all the hard time I’ve been giving N3 I will say this, I LIKE N3, I really do. Not as much as I am enjoying SoCo but since they seem to be shedding their underdog status with the CFC support, and the long term relationship of those allied in the south will have a very short expiration date after the war is over, I’m finding some affection for N3. So here is what I’ll do. The same way I recommended for BL to join up with AAA and friends, (which again, they more than likely did on their own, I can’t claim to have influenced anyone,) I’ll put up a few suggestions to help N3. Of course I can only claim a limited perspective on the inner workings of the coalition.

Consolidate your power

In effect this is re-wiring the coalition to be more efficient. N3 has a lot of inconsistencies and needless redundancies in its leadership structure. You really do need a dictator. Even the Roman Republic realized this in time of war and as far as I’m concerned, if you’re playing Eve, you’re always at war. Now this is difficult to do for N3 because its alliance membership is a bit different than the CFC. N3 is composed of two dominant alliances. We could say three if we count PL but I don’t think PL would ever sign its name onto any supra entity so if it does fail, it does not “inherit” that failure.

The two remaining dominant alliances are NCdot and Nulli. Both have pros and cons to them that compliment the other. NCdot has a reputation for their capitals. They have a lot of them. They are more established but also have a longer list of bad relations. Nulli on the other hand perhaps lacks the reputation that NCdot has, in both good and bad ways, but they have a vibrant player base. I always applauded their ability to reinvent themselves after their loss of space. Whatever the case is, there needs to be a level of centralization and integration that makes these two alliances really function as one coalition. If this is done, the rest of the N3 members will follow as well.

What the Goons have done in the CFC is draw as much of the talent out of their coalition members and made the other alliances completely dependent upon them. This was a gradual progress, one that N3 does not have time for. Also some may find it “unethical.”

Make friends

Some define blobbing as being out numbered by your opponent. I define it as the natural result of the enemy establishing links with other like minded individuals to fulfill their goal. So in effect, the reason “N3 is getting blobbed” is because they allowed it to happen. Because of the issues created by NOT consolidating your power, it is difficult to have a unified and cohesive diplomatic policy that benefits the coalition as a whole. Again the move from loose confederation to co-dictatorship needs to be made.

Once that is done, N3 needs to make friends and use their diplomacy better. As far as I have heard, SoCo has failed to establish the TEST remnants as allies. But away the snobbishness and recognize them as competent allies. There once was an alliance who much like TEST, had origins on a non Eve forum. They ended up losing all their space but ended up allying with another group. That alliances was the Goons and their allies was RA. The former owns half of 0.0 and the latter also had a long reign of rule in the drone regions.

Another often over looked entity is CVA. Considering BL just blew up a bunch of CVA dreads, I’m not sure they are looking to help them at all. This may prove difficult as CVA and provibloc tend to not want to upset the status quo of their region too much. Provi will prove to be a linchpin in this conflict if taken advantage of properly. From Provi you can lock down HED-GP, Catch’s only system to Empire space. One could go further and also lock down Efa and Kaira gates in Khanid region effectively cutting off SoCo from Empire space to a large extent. Use that money you have. There’s no point hoarding it. Find pirates, mercs, pay them by the kill to camp these gates. Promise sov, isk, ships, it doesn’t really matter.

A smart tactic that the HBC adopted when they invaded AAA was to promise AAA’s renters free renting space. And you know what? It worked really well. Eventually Montolio had to break his promise due to war expenses but by that time it wasn’t like the AAA renters could go back to AAA renting space…there was none.

Last but not least I’m sure if you throw Rooks a few billion isk, they’ll focus their pipe runs more on your enemy than you.

Negotiate with SoCo

So what is the point of step 1 and 2? To get to step 3 of course. You need step 1 so that you all speak with one voice and you need step 2 to have some leverage in step 3. I just have to ask, am I the only one that finds this war completely hilarious?

If any of you are familiar with the migration period, you’ll know why. For those of you who are not as familiar, you had a period in history known as the “Barbarian Invasion/Migration Period” where you basically had group after group move east to west through Europe due to various factors such as climate, but also because other people. It sort of went like this: The Magyar tribes moved into Europe because the Pechenegs were pushing them because the Kypchak/Cumans were pushing them. Likewise Eve mimics real life.

Solar are going to war because N3 took their space, because N3 lost their sov because the CFC pushed them out of it. AAA are fighting with Nulli because the CFC/HBC pushed Nulli out of Delve and AAA out of Catch. It’s all falling dominoes. Both sides haven’t figured out that it’s all the same players but that they’ve switched chairs.

So as N3 what can you do? Do you just ask “hey swap all our sov for yours?” Probably not as it would be an unfair, and difficult trade. What N3 can do is pick and choose which of their current opponents would make better allies. If you are seriously showing up to the timers thinking “well this is a good ship doctrine, hope we win” you will lose.

So ask yourself, what do your enemies want and what can you negotiate? Solar and RA want their Drone regions back, in effect taking most if not all of N3’s sov and income. There’s no real middle ground, nor are they all that central to SoCo. They greatly bolster their numbers and capabilities but we could probably consider their flexibility to be fairly minimal.

But how far east does AAA and Dark want to go? I doubt they want to set up in the Drone regions. More than likely they would be happy simply having the territory that Red Overlord had. If giving up a couple regions in the south to AAA would mean taking AAA and Dark out of the war, wouldn’t it be worth doing? Then you would face Solar, who’d be upset at AAA/Dark naturally, who’s only option would be to attack via Curse with a weakened RA. I doubt Black Legion would care to stick around for that.

Nulli would be best to approach this sort of deal and I’ll tell you how to do it. Remind AAA that their woes are not due to anything N3 had done, but rather the CFC which pushed them out of Catch, just as they pushed Nulli out of Delve. Right there you have a common bond. Furthermore, that CFC/HBC invasion of the south happened only because Red Alliance was given Querious in a peace treaty, but that they were not content with such a deal. Here you go further to draw AAA away from their war ally, and truthfully this really is the case.

If AAA understands this, and they have regions like Omist and Tenerifis, what would be their purpose in the war? Help Solar and RA, former/possible enemies gain a bunch of regions in the east? Both of which are entities on friendly terms with the CFC who has been a historic enemy of AAA? What would be the point?

Think about it, give those regions to AAA, negotiate for a peace, plan for what Nulli REALLY wants to do and what the “purpose of N3” is. Two sides are fighting over a “wrong” a third did.

Long is the arm
Swift is the Blade
Deep is the Cut
Subtle is the poison






Seraph IX Basarab


  1. Alhana

    I laughed hard! Thank you for this wall of shit!
    This is a war up to the complete destruction of the enemy. We don’t need regions. We are here to kill all our enemies. Finally and irrevocably!
    Without regret, without mercy, without a way to back.

    November 15, 2013 at 7:36 am Reply
    1. Makalu

      Please keep telling yourself that you will win, it is rather amusing to listen to.

      November 15, 2013 at 9:27 am Reply
      1. Alhana

        Hello senior FC. Keep eat shit in pl xDDD

        November 15, 2013 at 9:48 am Reply
        1. Makalu

          you sound butthurt, you need to chill bro

          November 15, 2013 at 10:42 pm Reply
          1. Lol wtf?

            What the fuck is this? Someone pretending to be Makalu and someone pretending to be Alhana. This is impressive.

            November 17, 2013 at 12:46 am
  2. Alhana

    The one what N3 can do for win in this war its to say to PL “Fuck off!” and give us PL whores :)

    November 15, 2013 at 7:42 am Reply
    1. Bring the Pain

      Really? All this cursing, you mad bro?

      November 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm Reply
      1. NC.

        are you mad? enough to comment on some random dude for being mad for saying fuck haha… PL meatshield

        November 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm Reply
        1. Bring the Pain

          Just saying all the cursing isn’t necessary. He should learn english first if he wants to post and use profanity correctly. And I am never mad, just reasonable.

          November 15, 2013 at 10:24 pm Reply
          1. Bring T.Pain

            And we are just saying “you mad bro?”. It’s not that hard. Just answer the question.
            That “never mad, blah blah blah” just makes you a liar.

            November 16, 2013 at 11:49 pm
          2. Bring the Pain

            Blah blah blah? You can do better than that i would hope if you’re going to bother to try, go all the way. At least your not cursing at the world in an open forum just because no one knows who you are.

            November 17, 2013 at 1:17 am
          3. All the pain

            Wow! I guess T.Pain was right. Seems he hit the right button.

            November 17, 2013 at 2:34 am
          4. Bring the Pain

            What button would that be?

            November 17, 2013 at 2:59 am
          5. common

            The one that makes you cry. Obviously.
            You are a little slow, aren’t you?

            November 17, 2013 at 4:15 am
          6. Grow UP

            Are you 15 or something? If a video game makes you cry you have much bigger issues. i am guessing you have been crying if you would assume someone else would.

            November 17, 2013 at 7:31 pm
          7. All Growed Up

            And look at this. The self proclaimed adult in the room accuses someone of crying about a video game.
            “Are you 15 or something?”

            November 18, 2013 at 4:02 am
  3. hans6663


    November 15, 2013 at 9:14 am Reply
  4. RUStoWinEasily

    i actually think RUS will stomp all over N3. They have the Eye of the Tiger Man. Eye of the Tiger. Before RUS was just about keeping space having some fights but I haven’t seen this determination to seriously remove an entity than I see now in the RUS guys. To get them all fighting together is again unprecedented and on top of that they have CFC and BL to help. PL got wtfpwned the other day it was embarassing, the FCs didnt have a clue. ended up stuck there with useless domis and drones just got bombed constantly. Then FCs as usual moan at the players instead of their useless FCing, and PL are nowhere near the same PL as a few years ago, nowhere near. They need to seriously get back to the old days, Shadoo, Shamis, Elise need to get back taking control. So RUS have nothing to worry about in PL. There is no way N3, PL, NC. will win this war, in fact I am putting bets on it that N3 & co will be embarrassingly running off with tails between their legs. And Vince coming up with the same excuse as always saying we didnt want that space anyway every time someone shoves a big fuck you up his ass. When in fact they badly need that space.

    November 15, 2013 at 9:44 am Reply
    1. alex j

      Only way rus wins is with the cfc deploying down en masse, other than that they have no real shot, dont have the tz coverage. Sorry to break your expert analysis…retard

      November 15, 2013 at 1:08 pm Reply
      1. RUStoWinEasily

        lol we shall see.. retard lol was that the best you could come up with. Silly little boy,

        November 15, 2013 at 2:12 pm Reply
        1. alex j

          Figured anything more complicated would confuse you too much to have the desired effect XD

          November 15, 2013 at 2:29 pm Reply
        2. Fiddler

          Your posts are retarded so kinda of accurate in all honesty.
          Does special needs donkey painter a better picture to describe your posts , hell what you want from us lol

          November 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm Reply
          1. RUStoWinEasily

            speaking fucking english you dumbfuck, instead of sound like a total douche

            November 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    2. anonymous

      Disregarding all the other bullshit in your post, we are the ones that have said we did want Tribute and Vale and likewise we want the drone regions.

      November 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm Reply
    3. Jara Mulkka

      Honestly, DTF should NOT be winning this war, but they are, both sov-wise (although, it’s only been two systems I think so far) and in the majority of fights. DTF as a coalition is outnumbered 2:1 (approx 31,000: 16,000) by N3 as a coalition (not including renters), they almost certainly have less total ISK to spend and definitely have fewer Supers. Support from CFC has been very minimal in spite of all the ignorant rantings about 1100 CFC Megathrons in the next system ready to jump in and crash the node if N3 are winning…; so CFC’s minor participation won’t be tipping any of the above in DTF’s favour anytime soon (you can forget about seeing CFC and DTF joint dropping Supers on N3). In just about every conceivable way, DTF are outmatched, except in two things: 1) overall quality of pilots and 2) sheer tenacity/enthusiasm.

      That’s what’s winning them the war right now. Their tenacity and enthusiasm is helping them in filling fleets and bringing more people to fights than N3 in spite of being outnumbered 2:1. N3 just seem to struggle in getting their more minor alliances to participate proportional to their size (i.e. Nexus with 2000 people only sending 10 max. to a fight, Darkspawn with 1800 sending 50 guys Kadeshi with 1700 sending max. 70 dudes, Whyso with 1350 dudes sending about 20-30, INK with 1200 bringing 50 etc.). Contrast those numbers with BL who have only 1000 dudes but can send 170+ people, or SOLAR (2200) bringing 200+, DD (2750) bringing 200+, AAA (2700) bringing 200+, DARKNESS (1400) bringing 100 dudes. The only regular contributors for N3 so far have been Nulli, NC. and PL (Kadeshi and INK are fourth and fifth most important), and while fleet sizes from Nulli and NC. have been great (200+), PL itself has been struggling a bit in finding pilots, rarely (if ever) getting more than 150 dudes.

      The second thing that might win DTF the war, and what they seem to be doing now especially is using their higher average quality of pilots advantage against N3. There’s no question that on average, DTF have better pilots; BL are at least the equals of PL/NC., and DD and SOLAR are nearly equal to PL/NC. if not slightly below them. AAA is at least as good as Nulli/Kadeshi/INK, if not slightly better and RZR is certainly the equal of Nulli/Kadeshi/INK (their sniping Oracle/Muninn fleets have been pretty decent so far, at least better than Ishtars). After that, you got DARKNESS (untested, so not sure how good they are), and then after them, the other 16,000 from scrub alliances in N3. So, N3 have a lot of scrubs in their coalition. what DTF needs to do is try to focus down on some of the scrub alliances in N3 (like Nexus, Pangu, Whyso etc.) by camping their home systems with small roaming fleets etc.

      The morale and self confidence of these alliances is weak, they will be easily discouraged and eventually give up and stop contributing to the war effort, meaning N3 fleets will shrink by 10, 20 or 30+ people. All this with pretty minimal effort. It would be harder to dent NC. or Nulli participation (Nulli probably being easier than NC. though). More importantly, it might create a rift within N3 as the scrub alliance complains of a lack of support from the main alliances (Nulli, NC. etc.), convinces other alliances of the same (to leave the coalition), or starts to failcascade, or gets the elitist members of Nulli/NC./PL angry for being total shit (upon which PL loses interest in maintaining a coalition that is half scrub and leaves, or starts to shoot blues as they historically have done on many occasions, including during this war). With DTF’s edge in average pilot quality, setting up morale crushing station or gate camps is very possible and easy.

      In the past few days, DTF have started to roam scrub areas like Tenerifis to beat on Nexus:

      November 16, 2013 at 3:15 am Reply
      1. alex j

        The russains wont win w/o the cfc. End of story

        November 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm Reply
  5. Shadoo

    If you find this war hilarious or redundant its because it is along with every other war that CFC may have interests in. You are too fucking dumb to realize that the CFC is basically letting everyone fight for the winter before they push the fucking end game button on N3. What will N3, along with any other entity in the game, do when 2000 fucking drakes are rammed into your space shooting everything in sight? Not a fucking thing but find somewhere else to go! Think you stupid mother fuckers, if CFC jumped in headstrong what would the rest of us be doing but watching huge tidi reinforcement timers? Yall are fucking dumb……….

    November 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm Reply
    1. dick

      pretending your Shadoo is fucking dumb.

      November 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm Reply
    2. Someone

      Agreeing much ! that’s why i think about of leaving -a- fighting like idiot’s the wrong enemy while the truly enemy watching and waiting for the right moment to win eve.

      November 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm Reply
    3. random guy

      obviously knows what he’s talking, cause everyone knows that drakes will win you wars…. *sigh*

      November 16, 2013 at 8:49 am Reply
      1. lol

        Yeh I wad thinking N3 would love ut if 2000 Drakes were ramed into their space as I am sure would any other coallition. The day of the Drake is long over.

        November 16, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
    4. The Real Shadoo

      Capital blob.

      November 17, 2013 at 6:37 am Reply
  6. BL4life


    Clearly no idea why BL is fighting NCDot and PL.

    November 19, 2013 at 12:21 am Reply
  7. Jara Mulkka

    Recent DTF/CFC vs. N3 major battle:

    L7XS-5, Catch, 1730-2040. 1380 ships/1220 pilots of DTF/CFC vs. 1340 ships/940 pilots of N3. This included 380 DD (Typhoons/Carriers/bombers), 265 SOLAR (Tengus), 235 CFC (mostly Goons, bombers/Cerberus), 165 RZR (Zealots), 125 AAA (Rokhs/Maels/bombers), 85 DARK (Rokhs/Maels) vs. 245 NC. (Maels/bombers), 220 Nulli (Ishtars), 220 PL (Napocs/Geddons), 195 Insidious (Geddons/Apocs), 100 Kadeshi (Ishtars/Maels), 80 Darkspawn (Maels), 70 INK (Maels). DTF losses were 15% of the fleet, consisting mostly of 100 BSs (primarily DD Typhoons) and 45 bombers, total = 230 ships/40 billion ISK (?? BR counts Insidious as DTF, and AAA/STUDS/DARK as N3 for losses, so numbers are skewed). N3 losses were 40% of the fleet, consisting mostly of 200 BSs (mostly Maels, Napocs), 150+ HACs (entire Nulli Ishtar fleet) and 60 bombers, total = 517 ships/175 billion ISK (?? See above).

    The opening 10 minutes of the main fight at 1810 saw PL/Insidious Napov/Geddon/Apoc fleet and Nulli/Kadeshi Ishtars vs. DD Phoons, AAA/DARK Maels/Rokhs, and SOLAR Tengus. The fight was even. From 1821-1849, RZR Geddons became involved, followed by INK/NC./Darkspawn Maels and RZR Zealots. The fight slightly favoured DTF (57 major DTF losses vs. 69 N3 major losses) with intermittent, successful DD/AAA/CFC bombings and the majority of damage coming from RZR Zealots, SOLAR Tengus, and DD Phoons. At 1850, the entire Nulli/Kadeshi Ishtar fleet was wiped out by a combination of Goons/DD bombers along with many INK/Darkspawn Maelstroms. From 1900/1910-1940, the fight was basically sealed for DTF as DTF took basically no losses while were losing significant chunks of their remaining fleets. All that remained were PL/Insidious Napov/Apoc/Geddons and NC. Maels vs. SOLAR Tengus, RZR Zealots and DD Phoons/Carriers. After 1940, most DTF losses were to N3 bombers , especially to an Insidious bombing run at 1947 that destroyed many DD Phoons.

    Overall result: Significant DTF victory.

    November 20, 2013 at 2:43 am Reply
    1. Jara Mulkka

      **while N3 were losing significant chunks**

      November 20, 2013 at 2:45 am Reply
    2. anonymous

      All that needs to be said about that battle:
      “By the time we ( PL +
      NCdot +N3 ) were in system the sbu was already dead. We came in knowing that
      this was the case hoping to give euros a fight since for our side most of the
      action is in USTZ. After being in system for 20 minutes or so it was clear RUS wasn’t
      interested in warping to us for the fight and were all agreeing to finish
      repping the station and leave. To which point all of the FC’s on our side
      agreed to Yolo into the entire grid including several bomber fleets that were
      ready to bomb the every loving shit out of us. There was no cause or reason to
      fight other than it was a Sunday and we were here and fuck yo couch *****. With
      that said Vee deleted the ishtar fleet. A good portion of one of the NCdot
      Maelstrom fleets were destroyed by bombs and the PL Napoc fleet was tanking
      almost everyone on grid. I lost about 2 motherships worth of faction BS but
      such is life.”

      November 20, 2013 at 5:01 am Reply
      1. Jara Mulkka

        It’s flat out idiotic to try to pretend that all that needs to be said about this fight was to provide the perspective of one pilot, from only ONE side of the fight as if that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There is so much propaganda “damage control” and “didn’t want to win that fight anyways” in that statement, it’s virtually worthless for anyone interested in knowing what actually happened during the fight.

        November 21, 2013 at 2:29 am Reply

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