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Currently we have a fight going down in the KW-I6T system, a system owned by Nulli secunda. The I-HUB was set to come out about 30 mins or so ago, Darkness of Despair jumped in a Tengu fleet with scimi support and a 30man dreadnought fleet. Pandemic legion responded by bridging in 50 capitals and 40 super capital ships, no sub caps. Darkness of despair managed to get out the majority of their 30 man dreadnought fleet, loosing 4 in the process.

Local is currently at 1650, 100b isk destroyed so far
– -DD- in Tengu/scimi fleet, AAA in rohk fleet, Razor in Munnins, PL in archon/nyx/aeon fleet, Solar in a tengu fleet. S2n/Nc. and other N3 entities are said to be forming up now.
– Razor fleet just got bombed and so forced off field.
– PL vastly outnumbered with no allies on the field, lost afew archons so far.
– BL just showed up in Maelstroms
– Goonswarm federation have just shown up in a 100man Dominix fleet.
– Despite being vastly outnumbered, PL so far are winning the fight.
– Nc. just brought in a 30-40 carrier fleet
– S2n just brought in 10-20 carrier fleet and a large proteus fleet.
– A scan of station:
– A scan of local:
– All sides bridging in more reinforcements
– Darkspawn and Unthinkables have just shown up in a mixed fleet focused around the Maelstrom
– Have to go now guys, but keep your fellow eve players updated in the comments below :)


  1. Some Dude

    Gotta respect them for fighting the crazy odds in slowcats, if this was the russians you would never have seen them fight such retarded odds its refreshing people will still throw stuff on the line to have fun pew pew

    November 5, 2013 at 9:24 pm Reply
    1. Adonis

      I doubt they’re as brave as you’re suggesting.
      I’d feel comfortable fighting in a slowcat too if I knew my side has enough supers to back me up should sh*t hit the fan

      I’m no expert but I’d guess that the RUS can’t field nearly as large of a super fleet as N3 especially since the massacre of BL’s fleet and that of -A- back when they were defending Delve(Or trying to atleast).

      November 5, 2013 at 9:29 pm Reply
    2. guest007

      humm…u obviously never played with ruskies along side…when they were back in stain a normal day would be 300 russians against 2500 testies..

      November 5, 2013 at 9:29 pm Reply
      1. mercfromabove

        that was the OLD southern coalition though. Welcome to the new one… xD

        November 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm Reply
        1. stainres

          Pretty sure -DD- are still here, tyvm.

          And SOLAR fight outnumbered like beasts, as do BL. As have -A- in USTZ

          November 5, 2013 at 10:59 pm Reply
          1. mercfromabove

            Talking about ROL and -A-

            November 6, 2013 at 12:11 am
    3. Jesus Loves You

      Uh? What? The slowcats are basically hugging a friendly station. PL are the most risk averse faggots in all of Eve.

      November 5, 2013 at 9:30 pm Reply
      1. Dooley

        That’s goons fag nuts.

        November 5, 2013 at 9:36 pm Reply
      2. anonymous

        Rumor has it supers can dock

        November 5, 2013 at 10:19 pm Reply
      3. slo

        Think you got it backwards it’s the cfc.that’s risk averse.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:45 am Reply
      4. Random Alt

        Confirming PL at risk-averse faggotry level 8.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:52 am Reply
    4. Some Dude

      Say what you want about them the amount of 0.0 alliances willing to throw capitals on the line against a larger enemy are very rare nowadays N3 literally seem to be like the only ones willing to do it in huge fleet fights most other alliances shit there pants and just stick with subcaps

      Reminds me when PL and N3 jumped in as many slowcats as they could to save Test loosing over a 100 of there own carriers that were surrounded by angry CFC dudes and they tanked until DT literally like 12 hours or something during the fountain war.

      All rite fare enough sure they have a ton of supers which makes it easier to do such things but those supers are just as vulnerable as those carriers currently are if they get them involved in a massive fleet brawl

      November 5, 2013 at 9:40 pm Reply
      1. Some Dude

        I just remembered this didn’t happen in the end because the server crashed (everyone remember that?) but its what they were willing to do if it hadn’t crashed

        November 5, 2013 at 10:35 pm Reply
  2. JIeoH Mocc

    LIKE BRAVE SPARTANS huehuehuehue hurrduurr something. Anyway, still have time to join the party.

    November 5, 2013 at 9:41 pm Reply
  3. Suddenly spaceships

    Well that escalated quickly.

    November 5, 2013 at 9:53 pm Reply
    1. Fuck yea!! Waffles for Lunch!!

      It kicked up a notch.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
  4. lollll

    Slowcats r only 2b… why r ppl QQing and bashing PL? Omg my carrier got popped….. nubs. Who cares about the carrier? Shields n reps for supers

    November 5, 2013 at 9:57 pm Reply
  5. aralieus

    The sleeping giant has finally woken up…<3 PL

    November 5, 2013 at 10:01 pm Reply
    1. BattoRem is a retard

      you lost that title mate WTB SC’s

      November 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm Reply
  6. Northern Vet

    Man those Tengus are nasty, you would think the Lokis and Proteuses would be better as they have more utility skills (webbing painting etc) to use on the Tengus but it seems the Tengus monster tank pretty much trumps all of that in big fleet fights. Arent they changing T3 ships soon in rubicon? reducing there bonuses or something…

    November 5, 2013 at 10:07 pm Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      Right after nerfing the alpha capability of slowcats i heard.

      November 5, 2013 at 10:08 pm Reply
  7. NC.

    This is such bad journalism none of this is accurate at all.

    November 5, 2013 at 10:42 pm Reply
  8. DrkyDrky

    What Stainwagon needs most right now is a 1000 men Baltec fleet alphaing Carriers.

    November 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm Reply
    1. YOLO

      more dreads atm

      November 5, 2013 at 11:36 pm Reply
  9. Jaime Gomes

    This “journalist” likes his facts like his cereal. Big bowl of shit. Either way one word son: Destroyed.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:36 pm Reply
  10. ByeBye
    November 5, 2013 at 11:42 pm Reply
    1. Death to all supers

      The titan you see in front of the dreadnaughts got tackled and taken to around 80% armor before PL/N3 dropped supers around him to save him.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:55 pm Reply
    2. bob

      ByeBye NC titan

      November 5, 2013 at 11:56 pm Reply
    3. Really Nice capture!!

      November 6, 2013 at 2:42 am Reply
    4. Jaime Gomes


      November 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm Reply
  11. Ja

    OP wtf are you smoking bro, PL/N3 where getting slaughtered. Unable to reship but while I was there you where can’t owned. Ohh my pod managed to warp after disconnect. Will return asap.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
    1. Grunt

      Uhm, I dont know what fight you are on, but the slows were raping through tengu’s. This fight is ours, no matter how you look at it.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:54 pm Reply
    2. mr nobody

      we NC lost a few slowcats that alphaed with inactive hardeners, but after that we stabilised. dunno how the subs were going

      November 6, 2013 at 12:03 am Reply
    3. Kweetniet

      how did it feel, all nuke that lone Erebus for hours, and still not able to break it’s tank?
      Was it worth bringing the blob?

      November 6, 2013 at 10:10 am Reply
  12. Ja

    OP needs to update this article, 5th Titan going down, but hey PL/N3 are still holding the field lolz.

    November 6, 2013 at 12:03 am Reply
    1. Yolo

      5th titan bahahaaahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahaaaa either fool or a niggerfool.
      one or the other.
      Since no titans or supers lost.
      1 titan still tackled and will be hopefully also saved as soon as able to get back in system.
      Since tidi lagg is aweful neither party is able to do anything currently.

      November 6, 2013 at 4:16 am Reply
  13. Muul Udonii

    You could at least link the mad ani stream!

    November 6, 2013 at 12:06 am Reply
  14. YOLO

    A massive fight, wow. Cfc being the neutral party it is (don’t make me laugh) are forming even more than the 400+ cfc they already have on field.
    Cfc forming Mega fleets like right faggots.

    November 6, 2013 at 12:16 am Reply
    1. stainres

      Lol no mad pls. I’m sure NC and PL with there 300 slowcats and 100~ supers couldn’t be considered faggy at all.

      November 6, 2013 at 12:20 am Reply
      1. YOLO

        Well BL. Jumped in dreads so had to be done since need to jump supers in to save the couple of bumped titans.
        Stupid fuck.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:50 am Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          As if this whole thing didn’t start with throwing caps and super caps on station.

          November 6, 2013 at 1:11 am Reply
          1. Fack

            This fight has been like 15mins. And been like forever.

            November 6, 2013 at 1:40 am
          2. JIeoH Mocc

            I am not even pretending i’ll be able to work today, i just hope i’ll be able to drive to work.

            November 6, 2013 at 1:41 am
      2. Kweetniet

        NC and PL are countering setups, simple as that, you bring 300, they bring 300, when spies report a 1200 man formup, NCDOT and PL will do just the same….

        November 6, 2013 at 10:08 am Reply
  15. DrkyDrky

    The only reason why BL was overwhelmingly successful during the Fountain campaign was because CFC provided a massive meatshield with their Baltec & FYF doctrines. BL just had to fly in and shoot shits.

    But now that BL is playing the meatshield.

    November 6, 2013 at 1:49 am Reply
  16. shrug

    Didn’t need those Dreadnaughts anyways…………

    November 6, 2013 at 1:51 am Reply
  17. Slit wrists

    CCP this tidi is shit. This is rediculious.
    Arnt CCP even reinforcing this shit.
    It’s painful.

    November 6, 2013 at 2:20 am Reply
    1. Yawn

      Iv played in these trials many a time, but how people can enjoy this tidi is beyond me. Iv been stuck in this nightmare for hours.
      If CCP can’t provide a reasonable quality of game play then they need to stop this magnitude of fight from happening until they can. Wich means needing the blob/coalition.
      Sort this shit out!

      November 6, 2013 at 2:24 am Reply
      1. Chris

        It doesn’t matter what CCP has done, the playerbase has always managed to break it further. What you suggest is ridiculous. TiDi is magnitudes better than it used to be.

        Unless you are aware of the server architecture, eve’s code, current ccp projects, etc. And know exactly how to fix lag.

        Don’t. Fucking. Bitch.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:52 am Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          I am aware of basic principles of design for whatever product you choose.
          If you boast by a feature that doesn’t work properly –
          First, don’t boast about it
          Second, block that feature to avoid a poor experience for a paying customer.

          The fact that it was worse before, and will probably (?) be better in the future, as an argument is invalid, since right now it doesn’t work properly.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:52 am Reply
          1. Chris

            A game that prides itself on the sandbox and you want limits put in place?

            I’d say TiDi works just fine. It has allowed fights to occur which would have never been possible. The eve community just has a knack for testing the limits of eve’s mechanics and servers, then pushing past them into things that are completely unpredicted.

            November 6, 2013 at 9:39 am
          2. JIeoH Mocc

            It’s fine to an extent when it functions. When it doesn’t – two last big fights – it’s not fine. It’s fact. We have a malnfuntioning feature in the game that’s ruining the gaming process.
            Admitting it and fixing it would be great.
            Denying it and leaving it as is only leads to exploiting it.
            For some reason nodes crash a lot when N3/PL supers are snugly tackled, eh?

            November 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
          3. anonymous

            All our supercapitals were out of system when it crashed besides the single titan and the last node crash was test carriers tackled not ours.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm
          4. JIeoH Mocc

            honestly cant tell between the various kinds of shit, be test or some other sort…
            There were also at least one nyx afaik, but nevermind now, eh ? God bless CCP non-intervention policy.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:20 pm
      2. NoWhinersAllowed

        Yea, brings thousands to a fight and them whines about tidi. Funny how it never bothers you when it plays in your favor.

        November 6, 2013 at 3:29 am Reply
        1. Yawn

          It is playing in our favour doesn’t mean to say I enjoy this shit.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:40 am Reply
  18. ><a1N

    Playing with the Lag monster again? Didn’t you know he never left Eve he just evolved into something more sinister. Sacrificing yours ship to him only keeps him in game longer and his creator CCP sitting back analyzing petitions.
    Why don’t you invite CCP to one of these fights I am sure they won’t mind waiting 5 hours to warp and shoot and warp again.

    November 6, 2013 at 3:54 am Reply
  19. OPSEC Duder

    Latest update: 04:45 Node crashed allowed N3/Pl/NC. capital forces to safely extract. Not much else to say… we’re all too tired to care about the politics behind the victory. Good Fight everyone who showed…. one hell of a clusterfuck.

    November 6, 2013 at 4:46 am Reply
  20. Long Night

    Node crashed whilst the sole standing Titan was left on field at last call at 55% armor.
    N3 forces had 120 slowcats with some triage carriers ready to jump in to save it.
    However due to the aweful cluster fuck of lagg tidi and everything, slows were unable to jump back into system to get reps on and that’s when node crashed.
    Bear in mind that’s just the slowcats fleet we had, may have been another in not sure, we certainly had more fleets on grid and waiting to reinforce.
    Either way really doubt the Titan would have been lost.
    Since N3 managed to get 40+ titans and 120+ supers out whilst being heavily bubbled.
    If node had not crashed it would have gone to down time or Rus/cfc/BL forces would have given up since I know we wouldn’t have.
    The fact the node crashed only shortens the victory in this instance. Some may say he would have gone down if node had not crashed. Trust me the Titan would not have šŸ˜‰
    This was supposed to be a Rus/BL trap btw, they failed to kill any super caps and welped almost 40 dreads.
    Gf if you can seed to that in those game conditions, was appalling.
    Infact I think cfc being neutral lmao aka helping Rus/BL. Out. By jumping there additional blob of 750 BS in with the already positioned 400 odd cfc they had on field, they infact I believe broke the node trying to jump in to blob the fuck out of us.

    November 6, 2013 at 5:01 am Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      Riight, you wouldn’t have given up, eh?
      That’s why your station is reinforced into armour and the hub is dead.
      Becose you haven’t given up on logging after the node was up.

      November 6, 2013 at 5:25 am Reply
      1. YOLO

        Lmao bro your both mad and oblivious.
        Why do we have to logg back in now that every things been done that needs to be done. Station in rf oh well, well done want a sweety.
        The 9 hour period of the fight wasn’t worth effort of saving a rf timer when there will e plenty of time to save the station.
        Since there were 120+ slowcats ready to jump into the tackled Titan with a dozen or more triage carriers ready to rep in addition. In those conditions NO very certain Titan would have been saved anyway. It would have happened the same way N3 saved and released the other 120+ supers and 40+ titans.
        Infact there was a Titan near station that we had to bail out on its own since his kid had pressed the cyno on his avatar. We had to wait about an hour to get him out.
        So even though you had subcap odds with your pals that will back stab you the moment they have want they want from you aka Solar/BL/certainly cfc your blobbing efforts came for almost naught.

        November 6, 2013 at 5:45 am Reply
        1. YOLO

          And before it’s said well we blobbed caps/supers.
          We had the balls to drop them while we were outnumbered with subcaps.
          Rus/BL/cfc simply relied on shit pile them tactics.

          November 6, 2013 at 5:49 am Reply
        2. JIeoH Mocc

          Not a tiny bit mad, not at all. I think it was a good fight, well over 9 hours for us – about 12-13, with the goals achieved, though poor conditions on CCP side.
          We proceeded to reinforce another system, shot up some poor roam that happened on our way and heade home in good spirits.

          But in my opinion you can either say “we would have not given up” or “the timer was not worth it”. Both of them used in sequence look kind of … illogical which would in turn imply some sort of emotional distortion on your side…
          Do tell me how you feel about last night.

          November 6, 2013 at 5:50 am Reply
          1. YOLO

            Simple Kicks a chill guy why give up on him while he’s still alive and fighting.
            I know Russians have retardedly long grudges and cannot usually hold a coalition together long enough before one alliance or another stabs the rest in the back. Or simplest out of selfishness goes and does its own thing.
            Finger pointed at Solar in particular there but BL off also even if they are not Russian.

            However that being said, the guys we fight with expect everything that can be done to be done to help a good bloke in need of saving.
            Russians obviously don’t feel the same way then.
            The rf timer simplet wasn’t worth it when we already did everything we needed to do.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:02 am
          2. JIeoH Mocc

            Thus contradicting the guy that started this chain of posts saying “We would not have given up”, since you did give it up? Which is my point exactly. I don’t blame you at all, and in your position i might have done the exact same thing, except derping on forums post-factum, that is.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:05 am
          3. anonymous

            Your entire argument is faulty in thinking that he was referring to the system as what we were “not giving up on.” We were not giving up on the titan, after 9 hours of fighting we did not give a shit about the system.

            November 6, 2013 at 7:33 am
          4. JIeoH Mocc

            Perhaps it’s as you say.
            Somewhat surprised by the sound conviction that the node crash changed nothing, if slightly saddened by anything (except for the horrible, horrible performance on the node) is that the crash came at a point where the grid was rather well controlled, the titan was surely getting bumped out of reps range, and the carriers repping him were steadily killed. I mean before the first node hickup, he was at something like below 40% in armour, and I though we’re going to get a nice bonus kill.

            November 6, 2013 at 7:54 am
          5. anonymous

            We had more than 100 more slowcats and triage archons waiting to jump in on the titan. As for our capitals breaking we lost 2-3 thanatos and then reps started tanking it again so I don’t think they were dropping as quickly as you think.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:25 pm
        3. karl

          you had 400 supers/caps ready to jump in in 6VDT also …. so, what do you want us to tell here ? only ships that really count are the ships on the field, not what you have somewhere else.

          November 6, 2013 at 7:28 am Reply
      2. N3 WarHQ

        Like we really care about some stupid station that we don’t even use šŸ˜› While all off this was going on we saved the really important systems and cleared all sbus and repped everything.

        November 6, 2013 at 7:57 am Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          All this with only loosing a phoenix, eh? Good job =)

          November 6, 2013 at 8:01 am Reply
        2. Guy

          Didn’t want that station anyway?

          Anyway, it was a pretty good showing by n3 in that fight. I’m guessing the war won’t go on ridiculously long with the amount of ships being destroyed, but it’s cool while it lasts.

          November 6, 2013 at 9:14 am Reply
      3. Shuji

        You must be new to the nullsec caper mate. N3 care far more about titans on their killboard than SOV. They don’t boast about the amount of SOV they hold, they boast about their ability to maintain positive killboard efficiency even when outnumbered – and for the most part they can make this boast. N3 will be fun for you guys to fight, because they won’t yield, they won’t blueball you, they will drop their shiny ships into the frey, and they will separate the men from the boys in your fcs.

        November 6, 2013 at 9:24 am Reply
        1. Guy

          ncdot and PL probably don’t care all that much about sov. I wouldn’t say the same for the rest of n3.

          November 6, 2013 at 9:33 am Reply
        2. LOLz

          Those carrier were dying rather fast prior to the crushing lag pause. Had this continued, you would of had a ton of dead carriers and likely a titan also. You had no support fleets left on the field. CCP saved your bacon.

          November 6, 2013 at 10:26 am Reply
        3. JIeoH Mocc

          Rather new to nullsec, at least full time nullsec, true.
          Not new to thinking with my head instead of just feeding forage into it, like you’re trying to feed me right now.
          Sov for PL and the rest of them is the sole source of income on an alliance level. Before that it was tech. And we all remember how hard the big entities tried to avoid warfare that would affect income, don’t we.
          That whole “standing against odds, fighting like hero spartans” thing is very nice, but it doesn’t impress me, you see… We’ve done that as well. And without SRP or any other income sources when we couldn’t even kill an HBC POS in T-8 for months. Got good fights with good results but couldn’t drive to the objective.
          Regarding the fights, yes they are definitly more challenging, but we get them for now because we’re on the offensive. It’s us (the non US/EU prime time pilots) that stay up to have a fight, while in our prime time we mostly get Nulli moaning from within a dock of a station. I hope it will change. They’ve certainly dropped their fancy toys to the grid but here the opinions about what actually happened differ slightly, I won’t get into that again, I’ll just say – After the node went up, for some reason only a very small quantity of n3/pl people bothered to log back in. So the question rises, why won’t they log in to kill and completely devastate us on the field? I mean they’re into PvP and kills and all that. Hm?

          November 6, 2013 at 11:29 am Reply
          1. Observer

            I can tell you’ve had a short null experience since there are many flaws in your logic, there shouts ignorance from many of your statements.
            A man in your position is best to stay quite listen, learn watch and analyse.
            Trying to stay impartial is a difficult thing to do, but it gives you the best perspective.
            Sorts the shit from the truth, something you would have to do continuously in cfc or just give in to being oblivious if you were just another sheep o the flock. Be spoon feed tailored information like a true goon.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm
          2. JIeoH Mocc

            Wow what a great, fact based retort. you got me there, bro.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    2. JIeoH Mocc

      Wanted to mention this as well – though there’s no doubt that high local count and consecutive numbers dripping in cause a huge stress on the node/whatever CCP have under their rusty hood – there’s also an unconfirmed (for now) by any measurement thesis that drones cause most of it.
      After a bombing run on the sentries or scooping in the drones by slowcats there were visible short term (till another wave released) performance improvements. So how about the meta of throwing what ever you want on the grid – titans, supercaps, caps, whatever you can to TiDi the system and if shit hits the fan – get in MOAR sentry carriers, crash the node – save the titan. Never give up in the process.
      Sounds nifty, eh?

      November 6, 2013 at 8:25 am Reply
      1. just another NC. grunt

        Virtually no N3 supers even launched fighters, as they were kept on standby and only went in in waves to support the Titans bumped off on landing.
        By the time the node crashed, we already had had several periods of very severe lag and module delay. At that point, most titans and virtually all Aeons had jumped out to reposition, in a midpoint, and additional slowcats had formed. At the crash, the Nyxes were trying to clear the bubbles (some were on the edge or even (almost? who knows under those circumstances) out.
        No drones or fighters launched there either (by supers).

        “So how about the meta of throwing what ever you want on the grid – titans, supercaps, caps, whatever you can to TiDi the system” – same could be said about piling ever higher numbers into local by all sides. Given this, one might even say CFC were actually neutral as they possibly played a substantial part in the node crashing.
        As I mentioned, at this point about half the supers and most titans were out, Nyxes were edging the bubbles and more slows were on standby so the claim that CCP somehow cheated non-N3 of super- and titankills is shaky at best.

        November 6, 2013 at 5:51 pm Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          at that point you had a tackled titan consistently bumped out of reps range and neuted, as well as consistently dying carriers that tried to rep him.
          Please, i was there, no need to alter the facts.

          November 6, 2013 at 6:18 pm Reply
          1. Chris

            constantly being bumped out of range. As well as new carriers constantly being re-positioned back on him. You get mad at him for changing facts when you simply want to ignore some of them.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm
          2. just another NC. grunt

            I could write an essay outlining what happened from our (my) point of view, but tell me one thing – which “facts” did I alter? I was on coms, in fleet and on grid from the point where N3 came in up to (roughly) 3:30 AM, in a slow and a super…

            Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it untrue or ‘altering the facts’, m8

            November 6, 2013 at 7:14 pm
          3. JIeoH Mocc

            I beg your pardon, me claiming that you altered the facts was out of place, as I don’t see you dispute the one I stated… I dispute your opinion that CCP didn’t cheat us out of titan kllmail, since i think it did. But then again we’re both equally entitled to our opinions, aren’t we.
            I am sure we can both agree that there was an interesting thing going on before the node crash and then… well then we logged in to play it out after the node was up, apparently your side had enough of it.

            November 6, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    3. LOL

      yah isnt that cute it was going UP in armor not down so didnt really save him šŸ˜‰

      November 6, 2013 at 2:04 pm Reply
  21. Dennis the Dreamer

    This happened before it happened again…. WTF CCP for Booobddhas sake fix your tidi. get a bigger server with gazzilion of memory and cpu. And tell the NSA to stop spying in EU zone it added loads to network.

    November 6, 2013 at 5:47 am Reply
  22. ass face

    Nc. just brought in a 30-40 carrier fleet

    – S2n just brought in 10-20 carrier fleet and a large proteus fleet.

    wrong try 120 carriers…

    November 6, 2013 at 5:47 am Reply
    1. grunt

      Also wrong. 200 plus.

      November 6, 2013 at 8:39 am Reply
      1. AHAHA

        even you are wrong by the end tey used over 400

        November 6, 2013 at 2:03 pm Reply
  23. Leicester

    Here’s a report run through the doctor, I’m not sure if it got everything involved throughout the day though.

    In summary, PL/NC/N3 side lost:
    4 Archons
    4 Thanatos
    1 Nidhoggur
    16 Maelstom

    Russian/Goons side:
    8 Revelation
    10 Naglfar
    16 Moros
    14 Tengu
    12 Maelstrom
    14 Megathron
    6 Dominix

    Also wasn’t sure of the alignment of some of the smaller entities – I’m sure some were just there to shoot anyone (brave collective?).

    November 6, 2013 at 7:35 am Reply
    1. brave_stranger

      yep, bravies jumped 30+ systems, few camps, lost 3/4 of initial talwar fleet on a way through and have fun (: was podded twice on the way in (:

      November 6, 2013 at 7:43 am Reply
    2. JIeoH Mocc

      Kind of forgot the obliterated proteus/loki fleet in there.
      That report is no good.

      November 6, 2013 at 8:01 am Reply
    3. CCP employe (n3 supper owner)

      N3 started to loose carriers pomping dying titan, and had 5-8 titans in perma boubles out of range for any help.

      And then node crashed.

      Thanks the Goods!

      November 6, 2013 at 10:42 am Reply
      1. True story

        For each N3 carrier more than 10 goons&pets Battleships or T3 were dying, so no
        real effect on the isk war was coming in the last few hours of that battle, the real
        difference comes from:

        1) the 29 BL dead Dreads (50 more and BL is done after the roast of their SC fleet)
        2) the 50 more dudes of goons&pets dying just now because they are login in one
        by one in the system, and they will be much more until the end of the day šŸ˜‰

        Titans were not going to die, slowcats fleet were ready to jump regularly on them to rep their armor independently from their position in the field

        November 6, 2013 at 11:57 am Reply
        1. random

          don’t be mad, if they send dreads that was for a baiting purpose, try to break the spider tank on 280 carriers. The only thing who saved you is TiDi and server crash. All that after PL tried to kill caps and NC. came to save them. And the N3 subcap fleets have been raped each time.
          I will also add that the carriers who died on the station are bad, more when it’s to bombers.

          November 6, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
          1. stupid-a-

            nice try but NOPE. The supers were tanking you shit fleets hence when you tried so bad to bump that one titan away from the nyx’s reps and we just drop more slows to fight. The “rape” of subcap fleet you speak of is losing 10-25 out of 140+ they bring on each fleet? Fucking sad how your propaganda is beating by kb’s

            November 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm
      2. LOL

        wrong all titans jumped out except the erebus at the then

        November 6, 2013 at 2:00 pm Reply
      3. Hobb3s

        Prior to the node crashing BL was one-shotting the carriers that were trying to rep the titan. With the 40 odd carriers that were themselves bubbled, I don’t think even the remaining group of carriers on standby could have saved it (certainly not if they were expecting the first group to jump out and jump back in again once the titan got bumped out of range again).
        Good job CCP in deciding the course of the battle. CCP ended up deciding the outcome, not its players.

        November 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          One shotting carriers? There is 17 minutes between your last 2 carrier kills besides the ones that logged in after the node died. The thanatos’s that died before that were part of the slowcat fleet that was about to come back in and all other thanatos that got primaried in that group before we jumped out caught reps.

          November 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm Reply
    4. -a-

      That report doesn’t show the whole battle. Proteus and Loki fleets were raped and a goku fleet were bombed by goons I believe.

      November 6, 2013 at 11:36 am Reply
      1. Leicester

        Yeah like I said, don’t think it caught everything.
        Unfortunately with the battle reports generated throughout the day they would overlap, something the report doctor isn’t really capable of sorting out.

        Short of actually going through the whole days kills for that system and just counting up the major stuff that died (caps/T3s/BS) there isn’t really any easy way of knowing who lost exactly what. No, I’m not going to do this. :)

        General understanding is N3/PL/NC. won the isk battle but lost the field.

        Round two next station timer?

        November 6, 2013 at 11:01 pm Reply
  24. Ja

    Guys n Gals, we are shooting N3/PL because of Falcon and lost renter space. When this campaign is over, we will turn our guns on each other as always. no back stabbing just old fashioned pwe pwe. Never liked or what they stood for, as for ever one else it’s just a brawl.

    Win or lose, this has been very interesting campaign and its only been a few days. Long may this continue. My alt may have to work double shifts, but its worth it.

    Also thanks mad.ani, after being podded, I continued to watch your stream with headset on in bed, which got me off to sleep comfortably (paining the price for a 4/5hrs sleep meh)

    November 6, 2013 at 8:27 am Reply
    1. whdude

      It was certainly good fight. I only hope N3 will keep fighting to the end instead of blueballing after few fights like russians did.

      November 6, 2013 at 8:58 am Reply
      1. Northern Vet

        I swear to god if this TIDI shit keeps on happening most of us are just going to say “fuck it it aint worth it staying up for 12 hours” I have to work and eat you know?

        November 6, 2013 at 9:51 am Reply
        1. yoyoyoyoeastsidewestside

          Then tell your Leader Mittani to let his blobs stay home and let your friends fight for themselves. Ncdot only brings the counter blob when needed, they rather fight 100 vs 500 -they proved that by standing down a super fleet in order to get Solar to undock and commit to the fight in the past- then drop 300 supers on a 1200 man CFC+Russian pets blob.

          November 6, 2013 at 10:05 am Reply
          1. Guy

            It’s a sov war. There’s not really any rules about being fair and no reason for the CFC or Solar to be honorable, whatever that means. The entire point of sov warfare is to do whatever it takes to win.

            November 6, 2013 at 10:08 am
          2. Northern vet

            True but we saved a whole bunch of timers last night whilst that shitty tidi battle was going on with although yes we did loose the ihub and the station which has now been bashed into its armour cycle, but 3 other timers was saved today so I dunno who really wins that night

            But honestly right if these battles are lengthened to 12 hour slugfest because of some shitty Tidi feature when in reality it was literally like 1 hour long in real time, people are just going to say it aint worth it, im not risking my job and my own health for a spaceship game and alot of people will begin to feel the same way

            November 6, 2013 at 10:29 am
          3. Guy

            These kinds of wars are all about getting your side to keep logging in. Both the russians and n3 are fairly loose coalitions as well, so there’s also the game of trying to keep all the alliances co-ordinated and working together.

            Not sure who’s winning yet. It depends how the next few timers go.

            I’d completely agree that you shouldn’t waste your own life on pretend spaceships.

            November 6, 2013 at 10:34 am
          4. gerd

            fairness in a sov war ? just ask our all beloved CSM member progodlegend about R3PO station. it’s far away of any fairness, but nulli, NC and PL decided to piss off a complete eve community and wonder now why people hate them ? biggest joke ever.

            November 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm
          5. gerd

            what a bullshit propaganda post. you are in the biggest blob eve ever saw before with the most owned systems on one side.
            an yes, people always fight the big fish or get into fights with a shitton of killmails. just ask PL why they show up for every shitty tower in eve where they expect somebody drops capitals ? it’s all about kills

            November 6, 2013 at 11:59 am
          6. Reallyyy?

            It’s almost like you actually believe that, awesome, tell us some more.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:01 pm
        2. Gecko

          Dude Russians don’t seem to sleep or go to work so expect this to happen more often, but don’t worry enough fleets get whelped by em they will start in fighting.

          November 6, 2013 at 5:45 pm Reply
    2. yoyoyoyoeastsidewestside

      “When this campaign is over, we will turn our guns on each other as
      always. no back stabbing just old fashioned pwe pwe. Never liked
      or what they stood for, as for ever one else it’s just a brawl.”

      So when this is done your leaders will create a thunderdome, no sov+moon taking policy as it would interrupt their RMT projects……you will blue up everything and do arranged fights to keep you from being bored and thinking; “something isn’t quite right here?”

      I bet you like WOW too, where you let adult ppl create your content and make all the decisions for you…pretty easy. :)

      November 6, 2013 at 10:02 am Reply
      1. ja

        Never played WoW and if there are no targets will blue42 and create Corp drama. Don’t give two fecks to Coalitions tbfh.

        Make isk and blow space ships up, pretty much sums me up, and what are your sexual space perversions, I gather sticking your head in the latrine no doubt? thinking I play WoW how dare you.

        November 6, 2013 at 11:05 am Reply

      im pretty sure -a- are the biggest back stabbers in eve since when cfc invaded delve they brought 175 active pilots then said “we are not gonna undock”

      November 6, 2013 at 1:57 pm Reply
      1. Ex-Soco Member

        This guy gets it, exactly why I will never trust -A- or Solar, when the it gets real lets see who runs first and leaves the other in the ashes. Its also a matter of time also before BL realizes since fleeting with this back stabbing cunts their killboard has gone to shit.

        November 6, 2013 at 5:43 pm Reply
  25. Guest

    This fight was awesome!

    November 6, 2013 at 8:30 am Reply
  26. imsosly

    Blob fleets are what’s wrong with EvE. Something has to be done. It’s like watching 3 or 4 super fat guys sit around a barstool and fighting for the last piece of pie. It all comes down to whoever doesnt call out the wrong primary or something random like that. The gayness of nullsec politics is really ruining the game with super blobs.

    November 6, 2013 at 9:26 am Reply
    1. Apparenly Gay In Nulsec

      Are you out of your mind? It’s the massive fights like this that are “RIGHT” with this game. In your perfect world, we’d all live in harmony and end up like the Chinese server???

      November 6, 2013 at 9:38 am Reply
      1. Lol at Eve

        Its ok dude…There are still some people that enjoy playing pacman and its all fine!

        November 6, 2013 at 10:26 am Reply
  27. Some Dude

    Another reason why you are going after the wrong people RusRus N3 will put so much shit on the line and avoid blue-balls as much as possible and will generally try and fight for every timer. Why do you hate them so much? lol

    If this was CFC home space it would never happen they would have probably stood down for most of these timers and just try and bore you to death by not giving you fights

    November 6, 2013 at 9:59 am Reply
    1. yeah right

      We all remember the NC.+PL+TEST+RA+WHYSO+GYPSY+Assorted pets VS 2000-man SOLAR dogpile.

      No, really, why?

      Maybe because N3&co are the same blobbers as everyone else, only the “everyone else” are not as hypocritical about it.

      November 6, 2013 at 10:14 am Reply
      1. Cake

        I think this is one of my big reasons for disliking N3. That and NC. turning / leaving their alli’s and others to die to CFC and then claim that anyone doing anything against them is CFC pets. Generally just a load of hypocritical morons……

        November 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm Reply
        1. wow

          they didnt leave anyone. If you mean fountain they put more people on field than test did the whole time in fact the last fight test did was the only one they really formed for sadly and then they started evacuating only then did n3 leave

          November 6, 2013 at 1:56 pm Reply
          1. Cake

            Raiden. WN. Evoke. when you had that lovely tech agreement with CFC, Raging over T2 Bpo BL.

            You where as likely to join CFC agains SoCo as help kill them.
            You can bring 1k+ dudes against the south now but where were these numbers in fountain.
            Over the years CFC could have been under loads of pressure but you always are no where to be found.

            You guys clearly have CFC spys in your leadership!

            November 6, 2013 at 2:12 pm
          2. anonymous

            Our relations with WN had gone south well before the CFC invasion of them. When raiden was being invaded they were telling us the entire time that they were having the time of their lives killing subcap fleets with their titan fleets, when they did need help we entered the fight and Raiden backed out on the fight at the same time leaving us alone vs the CFC and we lost 3 titans in one of the ensuing battles. Those numbers we have now couldn’t be there in Fountain because of your current allies Solar as well as Red Alliance and Gorgon which required several alliances to return home to defend their stuff.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:19 pm
          3. YOLO

            Raiden sealed their own date by attacking Evoke.
            What was NCdot to do let them fight it out when Raiden made the wrong move or?
            WN was fucked internally. They were fighting between them selves they could not form an half decent response fleets. They were dead long before NCdot have up on them, nothing NCdot could do about that.
            Evoke gave up and sold their space to CFC taking the cowardly easy way out.
            NCdot have been part of almost every major war against cfc. And prior to moon nerd if you had the space to benifit from moons it was hewing until the inevitable happens really. So that why NCdot did make any major assault on cfc.
            Addition to that you should know NCdot has always fought cfc while they owned the space in the north.

            So on every theory you’ve made each an every one of them has no credit.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm
          4. groll

            you fought CFC in the north as long as BL had leaded your fleets. when elo and vince had their dispute NCdot pulled out and joined the blob against solar.

            November 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
          5. Dummies will be dumb

            Ahahahahhahaa another BL fan boy.
            Why there’s so many people who know absolutely nothing about anything speaking. Is it a look at me, iv read some propaganda and talked to some other lemons day?
            BL is worthless Elo & now Ipsimus again are BLs only assets.
            Dotbros war you speak of. BL brought little to the war as an alliance.
            Elo/Ipsimus FCd well when they were online and were idolised by mittens to create friction within Dotbros since cfc were welping all the time to an entity a fraction it’s size.
            Mittens hoped to create friction wich succeeded to a degree in 2 ways.
            Wicked princess created drama and poof goes the bond between NCdot and BL.
            Secondly it’s created a visage that Elo had done everything to create unrest. To this day there some how are still some that are blind enough ignorant enough to actually believe this.
            Elo lead a small percentage of the fleets.
            Many other FCs Vince Supertwinkey among various others lead as many if not more fleets with as much success.

            November 6, 2013 at 5:38 pm
        2. YOLO

          You are so ironically retarded. NCdot fights to the last man beyond when there’s no logical hope do they persist with victories you’d not know are possible half the time.
          Dotbros war they fought massively outnumbered against cfc/solar and raped shit up until the end.
          Fountain war they again did more than was expected when test made clear they did not want to fight. and again outnumbered.
          The morale of the story is NCdot had to be part of a blob to survive but they still tend to end up fighting against significant odds as is this case in this war aswell.
          Look at facts before you comment with invalid opinions really.
          As mitten propaganda and truth is significantly different bro!
          Some people choice to stay oblivious it seems others are just stupid.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:09 pm Reply
      2. propanda is bad

        you forgot to add BL. razor and FA to solars side and solar wing, and other renters they used

        November 6, 2013 at 1:55 pm Reply
        1. Geth

          These Fazor’s caracals were definetely instrumental for SOLAR defence

          November 7, 2013 at 10:12 am Reply
      3. YOLO

        Your a retard, test barely were involved unless -A- turned up to help Solar a few times.
        Solar bloc in this war started out outnumbering N3 forces.
        You forget that the initial part of the war N3 were winning victories outnumbered.
        Solar failed due to a few reasons.
        1. They are selfish greedy fucks who were trying to take more than they could chew on in the first place when trying to Jew moons from NCdot.
        2. N3 really didn’t like the cowardly 2nd front assault on them when they were in Dotbros war, as they were already fighting SIGNIFICANTLY outnumbered vs cfc blob an still managed to hold out against solar bloc for almost 4 months.
        3. Solar back stabbed a few of their allies/ didn’t bother to help others.
        4. Solar doesn’t speak to allies very well.
        5. Solar allies were shit, they all started disbanding when N3 singled them off.

        That is how Solar were left on their own at the end of that war.
        You my special snowflake are blind to what actually happened.
        Solar is its own worse enemy there mistakes cost them their allies their mistakes prior to the war and during cost Solar their botting empire.

        November 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm Reply
        1. you what

          You need to buy a book. Called “how to stop being clinically retarded and start making sense”

          1) -A- didn’t help solar (at least not until N3 got into the mess)

          2) The war started WITHOUT N3 participation whatsover. N3 joined later. It was GYPSY+GE+DS+RA+DSP+WHYSO against solar with equal numbers on both sides.
          3) N3 (and TEST and PL) got involved on the 1V-L siege, and it was 900 vs 350 against solar.
          4) It was that numbers all the way till the end. Unfortunally neocurseco board is long since dead and solar board is down, so I can’t link BRs right away.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:21 pm Reply
          1. You oblivious bro!

            Oblivious fool. You contradict your self in what you say.

            For example you say -a- didn’t help solar, ohh actually they did.
            Then you completely look over that N3 as so told before got involved due to Solar bloc trying to take NCdot moons continuously and being leaches by opening 2nd front on Dotbros who were already massively outnumbered. Solar bloc opening 2nd front and still failing to dominate is completely their fault.
            Solar deserved the loss of their botting space for this reason alone among the various others of back stabbing their allies not helping them, being self centred greedy cunts.

            Wich leads me onto your last point. You say solar had same numbers through out. Can you be any more oblivious. Your the kind of person that relies on the word of others and relies on false propaganda, from this you believe you know what your talking about… Bahahahahahahahahahaaa

            As stated solar lost due to back stabbing their allies not helping others, their allies were picked off by N3 one by one until it was only solar.
            So yes fact is solar were on the rare occasion fighting N3 at the end, but if they had maintained their bloc they would have carried on either outnumbering or equaling N3 numbers as was the case at the start of the war.
            Solar can blame no one else but them selves for their mistakes.
            Aka Macteps a special snowflake.

            November 6, 2013 at 5:29 pm
          2. no really, you what

            1) If we go that far back, SOLAR vs NC. hostilities in geminate never ended and were there long before NC. decided to, uhhmm, backstab their OTEC allies. They didn’t open the seocnd front, they were the FIRST front.
            2) I don’t need propaganda. Being a neutral party, the only propaganda I heard was “evil botting SOLAR now, goons next”. There was no propaganda from the other side since evil botting SOLAR that somehow earns ISK by RMTing them apparently doesn’t waste their time on trying hard to appear retarded. I have their publically accessible killboard, which is quite enough to see your bullshit.

            November 7, 2013 at 3:28 am
  28. Not Next CCP (n3) alt

    N3 / PL super/ capital fleet saved again , by next node crash. Their “luck” is impressive.

    November 6, 2013 at 10:39 am Reply
    1. Ganimoth

      Following ddosing Elo, N3 Hacking Division brings another succesfull operation!

      November 6, 2013 at 11:23 am Reply
      1. JIeoH Mocc

        After reading around and talking with people about their impressions of yesterday, I am starting to believe that there’s a grain of truth in that pun of yours. I’ll leave one word here – drones.

        November 6, 2013 at 11:32 am Reply
      2. Cry more

        Well that’s funny since the Russians DDosed NCdot comms other day. We as NCdot don’t go as low as having to DDos opponents and have to out lob them massively to try and win.
        Solar has DDosed our comms many a time. We don’t do dirty fowl Russian/cfc play. We tend to rely on our ability over hacks like this and having to out lob like right scrubs.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:52 pm Reply
    2. wow

      LOL they were all safe before then they reps were hold even with all the fleets split around filed and the node crash because it was not reinforced and more people were joining all the time

      November 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm Reply
      1. Fran

        Plus the fact that 120 additional slowcats with triage archons were ready to jump in to get Titan full HP. The Titan was never going down I’m confident of that.
        The node crashing just stopped us from dragging this out.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:48 pm Reply
        1. you must be unamployed

          your reasoning is flawed. you seem to think that those titan pilots or all their support have 24 hours a day to play eve. this is an instance where the attackers would have kept coming and being replaced by other time zones so if the defenders had to leave or got to something called a job they would have lost everything that couldn’t safe up before leaving. face it without ccp’s screwed server there is no such thing as confidence they weren’t going down.

          November 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm Reply
          1. Derp

            You contradict your own logic dummy.
            Since everyone must eat sleep, and work if your not a goon.
            So it’s a vice versa statement you make there. Timezone would change rf would arrive.
            N3 would have jumped in additional slowcats triage and repaired Titan back to 100% from the 55% it was at.
            3 things would happen. Either N3 like they did for every other Titan and super carrier on multiple pings on grid would have saved it.
            Or it would have gone until down time.
            Or node would crash due to system shit storm/ Ty cfc for being typical blobbing faggots.
            Rus/BL would have been better off without the assistance of cfc.
            At least they would have had a chance with this continuing and having a slight but vaguely possible Titan kill.
            Syrians Titan is all Officer mods btw lol

            November 6, 2013 at 6:14 pm
          2. suck n3 dick lately?

            The rage with this one is clear. you obviously have been living under a rock or locked in a closet since your last molesting. show us on the doll where the cfc touched you.


            November 6, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    3. Ghost

      They must be very grateful for goons continuing to dogpile into the system, thus helping to achieve a nodecrash.

      November 6, 2013 at 5:34 pm Reply
    4. What a fucking tard

      You are fucking retarded.

      November 7, 2013 at 2:36 am Reply
  29. Low Sec Scrub

    I like how PLs titans weren’t even involved in the Titan DD FFA it was all NCdot and N3 Titans. it makes you wonder how many Titans they truly have

    And is it just me or has NCdot surpassed PL as the biggest super cap holding alliance? Or are PL just keeping things quiet as they dont want to show how many they really have

    November 6, 2013 at 10:50 am Reply
    1. bomf

      As I heard it there were 90 titans NOT logged in just in case this escalated even more.

      November 6, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
      1. LOL

        what is really scary is how many supers logged out because we waited so long to jump in xD

        November 6, 2013 at 1:52 pm Reply
        1. Robbie

          Yup my aeon was ready an waiting to jump in. Was luckily kept on standby as up until that point was not needed.
          I’m actually ecstatic that I didn’t have to jump super in with the slowcat I was already dual boxing with. I didn’t dare to triple box a subcap in that as well.
          Game conditions horrible.

          November 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm Reply
    2. PL Tits best Tits

      Don’t you worry m8, PL has a metric shit-ton of Titan’s on the ready. For the record, NC. now has the largest Super-capital fleet, not much of a secret.

      What is really amazing is there are over 500 Dreads in NC. And 90% of those are on active accounts. Well over 800 Slow-cat pilots with ships. Yeah, I know, fucking scary. Now if Vince could just get them to log the fuck in.

      November 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm Reply
      1. ;)

        n3 used around 400+ slow cats in this fight

        November 6, 2013 at 1:52 pm Reply
  30. NoOne

    First big battle and so first TIDI TIME for me .
    This, tidi, is screwing the game, unplayable, no fun, no fair, even a Claw cant lock me at 5km!
    Client & node crashing, hours to warp, hours to do a thing… when battle should be nervous fast exciting and dramatic it is actually ridiculous, penatly for CCP!

    November 6, 2013 at 11:24 am Reply
    1. OPSEC Duder

      The alternative is we all disconnect from lag every time.

      November 6, 2013 at 12:49 pm Reply
    2. Mystical

      Well, I think you should start a petition; get everyone to sign for the removal of TiDi, so it can go back to the way it was before hand…

      I’m SURE you’ll get more fights THAT way.

      November 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm Reply
      1. Observer

        “Before” was worse, u focken republitard

        November 6, 2013 at 5:07 pm Reply
        1. Snargle

          Wow, you really are a jackass, aren’t you?

          November 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm Reply
    3. epileftric

      Have you ever written a single line of code? Have you ever written a server/client program? There’s no other fucking way to fix this equally to all players. As a engineer I think TiDi is the most elegant solution to fix this technological barrier.

      November 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm Reply
      1. yep

        No, but I have paid a monthly fee to play a game.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm Reply
        1. epileftric

          yeah? You’ve paid? I also paid 50bucks to a hooker, that doesn’t means she has to have two cunts just because I’ve paid her and I want so. There are some things that can’t be solved even with all the money in the world.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:35 pm Reply
          1. LOL

            You cant even satisfy one cunt so why would you want two?

            November 6, 2013 at 3:50 pm
          2. epileftric

            i’m just greedy motherfucker

            November 6, 2013 at 3:51 pm
          3. hahaha

            Hooker, $50. Herpes, priceless.

            November 7, 2013 at 7:45 am
      2. Cake

        50% tidi is a good system anything below starts getting crazy. Eve’s main problems in big fleet fights are:
        Drones and rubbish server balancing ( there are rarely more than one 1K+ fights going on a one time they should be auto moved to their own server)

        November 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm Reply
      3. Observer

        Much bigger problems were solved in IT than this such as processing million requests per second. There is always a solution if there is enough money in this. For example they can create a separate instance of the system when a certain number is reached.

        November 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm Reply
      4. NoOne

        “Have you ever written a single line of code?” I am software engineer so YES there’s always a solution! If not, there ‘s no problem!

        November 6, 2013 at 6:18 pm Reply
        1. Chris

          Then you also know sometimes it takes time to both locate the source of the problem and find a viable solution to said problem. šŸ˜‰

          November 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm Reply
          1. JIeoH Mocc

            But no where in this process you described there’s a place for denying the problem, is there now?

            November 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm
          2. Chris

            Not sure where this denial is going on.

            People need to keep in mind CCP isn’t some massive company like EA. They don’t have an army of programmers and they don’t have the kind of capital required to simply upgrade their servers on the drop of a hat.

            The amount of progress CCP has made, especially considering their resources is substantial. You must not have played during the pre-tidi nullsec wars. If you had, you would not be complaining nearly so much.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:32 pm
          3. JIeoH Mocc

            I’d step back from the empathetic approach to viewing this situation.
            It doesnt matter that it was worse before, i only relate to the current status.
            I wish i could show the various responses to the petitions i sent from various GMs without fearing reprecussions, but i do.
            The responses vary from shrugging “we do the best we can” to utter stupidity of not comprehending the issue reported. This displays that there is not a consolidated company take on the issue – they simply are not aware of it or not willing to be aware of it, or not willing to admit that they are.
            I know it sounds funny hearing it on the Intornets, but trust me – i’ve worked in the field for enough years to see companies take a serious hit for not dealing with reported problems with their product properly be they small or huge.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm
          4. Chris

            Maybe so, but this is Eve. Eve has so many broken mechanics, things that need to be fixed. Hell the current sov system sucks.

            Yet, people get used to those issues. You didn’t see people leaving the game over not even being able to load grid pre-tidi. You don’t see people leaving the game over grinding structure after structure. Unlike other products, there is no true competition in this market. You can’t just drop eve for another game. Even the hyped up star citizen isn’t truly a competitor. It doesn’t offer the same amount of depth as eve.

            You’re asking for perfection, which is not possible. It makes a great goal, but you will never make it. A game like eve, you’ll always have problems. Being a sandbox, it is only natural things happen that are not expected.

            Take supercaps. These were supposed to be meant to be few in number. Now we have issues with too many and still many more being built.

            CCP upgrades their servers. Creates TiDi to increase the player cap. You know what happens? People bring even more fucking people and manage to break it once again.

            What you are asking I don’t believe is possible. It will never be achieved. Not because of any unwillingness by ccp but because they are financially unable to do it. CCP is in uncharted territory as far as MMOs are concerned. Its only natural they run into constant roadblocks.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:55 pm
          5. JIeoH Mocc

            You miss the point, i agree with all you say about meta, pushing the limits and all that. But we’ve pushed to the point that TiDI is failing. It’s not working as intended.
            It’s not just painfully slow, it also doesn’t work properly. If it was – things would slow down further, basically with no limit on how slow it can get. But it doesn’t – there’s a limit when it fails, and then you get the lags on top of it. And the game looses it’s meaningfulness, the same meaningfulness they boast a bout when mentioning TiDi. I don’t care that they have a problem, hell i have problems with my work, by i never deny or shrug them off – i admit them as openly as it’s logical to do and try to work them out.
            That’s not the approach I’ve encountered here.
            Also, don’t get me started on that policy of “non-intervention” they boast to have.
            Intervening by failing is still intervening, and if I hear another GM moan to me about this policy, I am likely to have a proper emo rage fit.
            To sum it up, i am not some idealistic kid who wants his toy fixed and he wants it now. I am well aware of technological limitations, of how an organization works, on how systems are designed and veryfied – what kills me is the hypocrisy of having a poker face along with constant failures causing masses of players to have a poor experience.

            November 6, 2013 at 7:03 pm
      5. JIeoH Mocc

        but it fails utterly. So either it’s not such a great gift from god, or it’s poorly implemented.
        What would it be?

        November 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm Reply
  31. Hulk

    Supercarriers down, dreads down. What next, Raped legion ?

    November 6, 2013 at 11:45 am Reply
    1. On Benifits Legion

      Scrounger Legion or On Benifits Legion would be an apt name :)

      November 6, 2013 at 6:45 pm Reply
  32. Provi Miner

    Ok I give what will be ccp’s excuse now. See right now ccp has a pr problem “these crash’s” are starting to look way to convient (wink nod nod). Lets see the excuses: oh it was unexpected (can’t use that one here we all knew 24 hours in advance). A tech misunderstood the order (can’t use this one, ccp promised that nothing like that would ever happen again). At a bet I am going with equipment out of date (which btw players have been saying since I started, how ccp needed to updtate their current equipment)

    November 6, 2013 at 1:11 pm Reply
    1. -_-

      The problem is you put too many people in system. You cannot put that many people in system. It’s not optional. The fault is yours not CCPs.

      November 6, 2013 at 2:02 pm Reply
      1. epileftric

        Exactly, it’s a technological barrier. There’s no fucking way a server can keep up with this.

        November 6, 2013 at 2:35 pm Reply
        1. danlee

          It could be done, if they change the way it works. Bottom line, CCP needs to find a way to allow for 10,000 or more ppl in system all fighting, otherwise, whats the point. Either with some kind of new grid system, or some way to split people up. There is a way to do it, if CCP cared to find a way, which they don’t care.

          November 6, 2013 at 3:19 pm Reply
          1. Chris

            Or maybe they just haven’t FOUND a way yet.

            I don’t really think they are just sitting on their hands doing nothing. As has been stated by another dude on here. The Low hanging fruit has been reached as far as reducing lag goes. Its going to take considerably more time to reduce it than before.

            November 6, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    2. Dragon Outlaw

      CCP should find a way to limit the number ships that can fight on timers. There should be a maximum where you cant bring more ships. It sucks that we have to come to this but these Tidi/lag fests (and crashes) are starting to be ridiculous.

      November 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm Reply
      1. yeah right

        So one side would bloat out the sun with random dudes and deny the other side a chance to get into the system… Which, accidentally, was one of the reasons to implement TiDi.

        November 6, 2013 at 3:00 pm Reply
        1. Dragon Outlaw

          No. You limit the number of ships that can get in the fight for BOTH sides involved. Each sides could have a maximum (like 500 vs 500).

          November 6, 2013 at 3:08 pm Reply
          1. WHAT

            And what is the “side”?

            Do I have to buy a ticket?

            And why there are only 2 of them? Can’t I 3rdparty and killwhore with bombers?

            November 6, 2013 at 3:10 pm
          2. Dragon Outlaw

            WTF dude!? I am not fucken CCP! I said…CCP should find a way! I am not gona write a complete dev blog here! Do I work for fucken CCP m8??

            November 6, 2013 at 3:48 pm
          3. of course you don't

            That’s because CCP wouldn’t hire you. You aren’t even able to tell what exactly you want, not to mention how to get it done.

            It’s like complaining that scientists can’t make a warp drive. But they are scientists, it’s their job to figure out how!

            Come again after you formally define a “side” in EVE online.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:52 pm
          4. Snargle

            Unless you actually have a system in mind that is better than what CCP is already using, you saying “CCP need to make it moar better!” is fucking worthless, much like yourself. Given the days of blackscreens and modules not turning on and ships being out of control for hours on end, CCP has massively improved the system.

            November 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm
          5. retune timers ccp

            This is in fact a very good idea. Before the fight boths sides should register who their allies are and the gate allows a maximum of 500 each into system from both sides. Anyone not registered the gate doesnt allow in.

            November 6, 2013 at 6:57 pm
          6. Chris

            That would then detract from the narrative element of eve.

            Take Asakai for example. CFC fail jumps a titan. Suddenly everyone in eve is getting in on the action. If you did that, you would ruin what makes eve great.

            And as stated previously. Define a “side”

            November 6, 2013 at 6:59 pm
          7. well hello there

            It’s called a thunderdome. Or an instanced battle. Or whatever. Why don’t we just go play World Of Spaceships?

            November 7, 2013 at 3:06 am
  33. BigSako
    November 6, 2013 at 4:10 pm Reply
  34. Another Year

    With all the begging BL do for isk, they will be skint soon, plus if their loss allies all of wich are always having to look behind them continue to fork out isk for Scrounger Legion then they also will be skint fairly soon.

    Would not suprise me that as cfc are supporting Rus with fleets they will likely also support with isk or Rus/BL would not be able to continue for long.
    Cfc see this as ok N3 are our only real threat. We support Rus/BL since they as a coalition are like us backstabbing selfish gits. Rus/BL are no threat to cfc as after the war if not during, grudges will be remembered, back stabbing will commence within Rus/BL community.
    So cfc being as risk averse as they are support Rus side for the longevity of their cfc safe botting/ratting/rmt empire.
    From a business prospective good terms, on a game gf have fun basis not so much.
    Cfc have ofc admitted not wanting to create content, they want to make content untenable as mittens has stated before.
    Sit back and think do I want a shitlord like that to dominate Eve?

    November 6, 2013 at 5:57 pm Reply
    1. dichzor

      confirming, Goons pay for my ships! also, this one time i was hanging out with Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley on the dark side of the Moon, at that swastika shaped building nazi’s built. We were discussing the finer points of eve metagaming and what kind of blue hue the final edition of blue donut should have… And suddenly Commander Weisshaupt runs in and says lizardmen stole his tinfoilhat *again*… what a day that was…

      November 7, 2013 at 10:09 am Reply
  35. Another Year

    If you think about it, if cfc hadn’t supported Rus/BL with almost 1200 people in baltec/muni bomber fleets then Rus/BL may have had a slight chance at taking down 1 Titan.
    As it stood with cfc jumping in the additional 750 mega blob with N3 trying to jump in 120 additional slowcats to save Titan that broke the node.
    Yet again cfc braking nodes and fucking this game up for every one.

    November 6, 2013 at 6:00 pm Reply
    1. learn network mechanics

      the retard is strong with you

      November 6, 2013 at 7:27 pm Reply
      1. Special Fweeends

        The retard is ironically strong in the retarded .

        November 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
  36. Hikaru (Brown D)

    Longest damn fight of my life i swear to god, but made it out with my rokh intact, and us and our allies still reinforced station.

    P.S. thanks for the 8 carrier Kill mails I got on lol.

    November 6, 2013 at 6:45 pm Reply
    1. Danke

      A pleasure.

      Appreciate being on almost 40 dread kills aswell :)

      November 6, 2013 at 6:55 pm Reply
    2. OPSEC Duder

      No problem… thanks for the 30 dread kills!

      November 6, 2013 at 7:58 pm Reply
    3. lulz


      Lose 40 dreads

      Gloat about 8 carrier kills.
      Is retarded.

      November 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm Reply
  37. Necromonger

    kinda funny to see these new guys whining about tidi…..
    i gues they dint play eve when a few hundred people in system fighting cuased a back screen and you logged in after 400 tries only to see you were in a POD or back at a station.

    yeah good times right ?
    go back to wow where 200 people can cause a server crash.

    November 6, 2013 at 7:03 pm Reply
    1. Jerry

      Or Planteside2 where you have 200 people in one area blowing shit up, and you still get a solid 30+ FPS.

      How dare people expect enjoyable gameplay.

      November 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm Reply
      1. Leicester

        Planetside is a lot newer game than EvE.

        We’re talking about a game running on code that must be what, 15 years old now? Can’t expect miracles, and tidi is a damn sight better than what it used to be like.

        November 6, 2013 at 10:50 pm Reply
        1. lol

          If it weren’t for CCP’s repeated decisions to use outdated tech to run a game coded in an very outdated fashion we wouldn’t have this issue in the first place. This issue is no the code, it was the cheapskate choice made by CCP to use cheap software on cheap hardware to run an MMO.

          November 6, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
          1. Chris

            So I take it you expect them to recode the game from the ground up every year to stay modern.

            Yeah right.

            November 7, 2013 at 4:25 am
          2. CCP DerPenner

            I take it you not stupid enough to pretend they should stay the next 10 years from now on with the same already-15-years-old codes, isn’t it? Or that EvE does not need improvements just because some stupid cunts, wich actually don’t play the game, find it cool to asslick CCP?

            November 7, 2013 at 9:17 am
          3. Chris

            Never said they shouldn’t. But its a massive undertaking and probably won’t happen.

            You need to chill out. I must have touched a nerve or something.

            November 7, 2013 at 4:56 pm
          4. heh

            I didn’t see anyone say they have to recode the game every year. However after about 10 years (FYI thats an entire decade) You might thinking something might change.

            November 7, 2013 at 9:13 pm
          5. NoOne

            Buy good hardware, bandwidth and optmizing for this purpose may be enough buddy

            November 8, 2013 at 11:59 am
    2. NoOne

      “new guys whining about tidi.” please this is not whining…

      I am 27, Eve is my first mmo, I come from fps genre, and when I engage in 1500 men battle I’m lookink forward some action, not a soporific/crashing tidi! especially when paying for server every month period…

      November 8, 2013 at 11:49 am Reply
  38. orly?

    Meet your new enemy… the server bomb. It’s always been there but now that we’re seeing more and more 1200+ lcl fights it’s as real as bubbles, bombs and doomsdays. Yet another factor to consider for both sides.

    I’d like to point out that the server slow-death is almost ALWAYS going to favor the defender. If the node dies, ALL get logged out but not all have to log back in, snatching the prey from the jaws of the predator.

    November 6, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
  39. Ghost

    So the comments have drifted towards fixing tidi, but this requires money. So i’ve already talked to a few corp mates and they’ve agreed that IFFFFF ccp started their own pledge fund like the one Star Citzen has. On the premis that this money would go to hire an entire army of developers tasked soley with re-writing eves 10 year old code then that could get ccp the money they need. It’s a big IFF and also a big risk but if there are enough people willing i cant see why this couldnt be done.

    November 6, 2013 at 8:30 pm Reply

    100 man domi + 2 mach fleet :colbert:

    November 6, 2013 at 9:58 pm Reply
  41. PLgrunt

    Abridged video of event from PL POV:

    November 6, 2013 at 10:46 pm Reply
  42. Xeris

    I did my part to make the game better for the rest of you…I stayed away from that system and did something else. :)

    November 6, 2013 at 11:59 pm Reply
  43. DrkyDrky

    How a 1000+ men Baltec-fleet (or something similar) with FYF can counter Archon Spams.

    400 Archons with 4 Capital RRs per ship; 4million EHP per ship (Over-estimation).
    6000rep / 5 seconds / ship = 1200 RAW RPS x 10 [90% resist factor] = 12000 effective RPS per ship.
    4,800,000 Effective RPS from all Archons.

    Megas = 400 dps/ship x 1000 ships = 400,000 effective dps.
    Head-on RPS vs. DPS… RPS wins hands-down.

    -Megathrons can lock Archons 2x faster than Archons locking in another Archon (4 seconds vs. 8 seconds, respectively)
    -A FYF can skew that advantage even further by randomly spamming Scan resolution dampening across all Archons in the field. One properly fitted Celestis can increase an Archon’s lock time from 8 seconds to ~120 seconds (20 minutes in 10% tidi).
    -A Baltec ship fitted with Scan resolution can push this advantage even further.

    Conclusion: A 1000+ men Baltec fleet supported by at least 400 FYF should be able to eat up 400 Archons easily . But timing is crucial for this to work. Target switch needs to happen frequently as well. It’s all about popping Archons before Reps can reach them

    November 7, 2013 at 1:30 am Reply
    1. DrkyDrky

      To improve FYF efficiency, instruct each wings to target names starting with different letters.

      Eg. Members of Wing 1 randomly targets names starting with A-H
      Wing 2 members randomly target names starting with I -P
      Wing 3 : Q – S


      November 7, 2013 at 1:39 am Reply
    2. there's a "but"

      A fulltank archon has about 2K volley damage from centries every 4 seconds.

      A typical baltec mega has about 200K EHP and about 2,2K volley every 4,5 seconds.

      Aiming for centries is done by a dedicated drone bunny which is not hindered by any ewar done to archons.

      So, it takes 100 archons to volley a mega every 4 seconds. Assuming an N3 slowcat fleet of 300, that’s far below acceptable losses an FC can take. We can safely estimate that a slowcat FC would extract his fleet long before it’s numbers get close to this point. So we can assume that all through the fight our archons will be volleying a mega every 4s. In fact, we can forget baltec megas and go with rail rokhs since no amount of tank would be enough to survive a slowcat fleet volley. Taking shield rokhs with more DPS would only increase our efficency.

      Now, assuming archons don’t refit for kin/therm tank against megas, it takes about 900 megas to 2-shot a 4M EHP archon or 700 megas to 2-shot a 3M EHP archon. It takes 10s for megas to 2-shot an archon. For a 4M EHP archon a battle would need to last 400 seconds for mega numbers to fall under the critical line after which point they become mostly useless.

      And all this is good and well, but DTF can’t simply pull such numbers. It means having no support fleets, and without them the baltec fleet will simply be bombed to pieces.

      It’s far simplier to use good old maels with 10K volley and a free selection of damage type. DTF can very well pull 2 mael fleets or one mael and one rokh fleet and oneshot an archon every 18s without any celestii needed freeing up some 900ppl to do something useful. Like bombing the archons so they woudn’t be able to shoot back.

      November 7, 2013 at 6:05 am Reply
      1. DrkyDrky

        That is assuming that the person in control of sentries don’t get dampened.

        In real battles, most players facing against swarms of FYF get dampened to hell.

        November 7, 2013 at 4:59 pm Reply
        1. heh

          but usually drone bunnies also get sensor boosted to hell as well. Thats the reason for it.

          November 7, 2013 at 9:11 pm Reply
          1. DrkyDrky

            That’s assuming that the ships boosting drone bunnies can get & maintain the lock.

            In the end, whichever side has greater numbers will gain the upperhand.

            November 8, 2013 at 12:17 am
  44. Dennis the Dreamer

    No more war today? You guys fight we watch ok?

    November 7, 2013 at 3:26 am Reply
  45. Apollo
    November 7, 2013 at 9:05 am Reply
  46. Provi Miner

    I think we have reached the point where every penny on dust has to be considered a lost penny to improve eve. Dust was a gamble, now that they are in so deep into dust they can not commit themselves to cutting their loss’s. Someone in CCP has to make a bold choice either invest in eve properly (hardwar/software) or let the players know that they are screwed. Either way next fan fest hardware software should be the focus.

    November 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm Reply
    1. DrkyDrky

      The only reason DUST is failing is because there other games with similar genre like BF4 & Planetside 2, and COD that are way more fun to play.

      If CCP wants to salvage DUST, they need to add features that will make it worth Players’ time to fight.

      For instance, adding sim-city like features in addition to territorial conquest should make it more interesting.

      November 7, 2013 at 10:26 pm Reply
  47. Northern Vet

    Even though this battle happened quite a few days ago now I just found the most epic video of the fight from a Russian POV with some pretty epic music with all effects on, reminds me of a gypsy band video made a year or so ago during the fall of the DRC.

    Anyway here the video you gotta look at it its just makes it seem all so awesome you even see my 2 Nyx alts jump in to save the first Erebus with all the other Nyxes

    November 8, 2013 at 1:45 pm Reply

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