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In a previous article that I wrote I shared the opinion that Black Legion needs to mature in its politics and diplomatic dealings or risk having events such as the one in FR-BH1 happen over and over again. My advice was that Black Legion needed its own allies or coalition. Today I am happy to see that the first step in this direction was taken. Black Legion has allied up with “Neo Stain Wagon” (such as D of D, AAA, C0VEN etc) along with Solar and have begun a push into N3 renting territories in the south. Here we will consider some possible outcomes and what this means for Eve. Now I cannot say to know for how long that this arrangement will last. At the very least I can say that the opinions of some previous articles written by me have been vindicated in one big swoop.

First i’d like to point out that even though “the Russians” hold long grudges against one another, they realize when it is advantageous to align with your co-nationals for your own greater good. Many readers scoffed at the notion that AAA/DnD would ever ally up with Solar. As things stand, just that political move changes the landscape of Eve drastically. For one “the Russians” have a foothold west of “the great ocean” (the regions split by the region Stain.) You several groups that have a large combined super cap force. Most importantly we finally have a strong emerging non CFC non N3 entity on the rise with both of the major players i’m sure considering new options.

Now the cherry on the proverbial cake is throwing Black Legion into all this. Going back to my aforementioned article, I stressed the importance of BL moving their game up on the political scene. It doesn’t matter how good of an FC you are and how good of an alliance you run. Once you are noticed by the bigger groups they will put some attention (read blowing up a bunch of your super caps) on you very quickly. Instead of letting FR-BH1 become a crushing defeat, it has become a catalyst for adaptation. The three options BL had were allying with N3…which had a snow flakes chance in hell to happen, becoming part of the CFC which was almost as unlikely, and the underdog black horse out of no where option: ally with the south and form your own coalition.

Now when I wrote all this I got some remarks from several BL grunts such as from my former colleague Ezek Price, “Author does not understand BL.” Well I guess I kind of do maybe just a little. I never claim to make predictions. I simply observe, take the information that I do have and provide some educated possibilities. I would say most of the time i’m kind of in the ball park unless someone does something to go full retard coughFALCONcough… you never go full retard.

“Alright Seraph, great, but I didn’t come here to read your smug post about being right. Whats your point? What now?”

Well we have Solar deployed in KDF-GY and N3 including PL seem to be attempting a head shot of AAA in their capital of GE-. Until that situation resolves we have no idea how it will go. The sides seemed pretty evenly matched with resources and numbers going in favor of N3 while this new Southern Coalition has the home advantage. In all this we have to consider that the Goons are sitting back and considering their options as well. Do they allow N3 a victory, which may very well happen against this newly grown coalition, or do they step in. My money is that they will do whatever they can to frustrate N3. Goons have no real beef with any entity in the Southern Coalition. Sure they helped TEST when Montolio couldn’t win his war in the south. But nothing in recent history is really personal.

The question is HOW should the Goons help. This is a subtle but important thing to concern. If the Goons go full in and augment the Southern fleet, they risk making this new coalition somewhat irrelevant. They need their own room to grow and develop and gain a sense of their own identity. You don’t want to raise up another batch of lovable idiots that you’ll have to put down later now do you? No. So instead of showing up and parking your supers right in GE, it may be better for the CFC to simply strike via Curse that way you force N3 into a big one-two fight where they have to divide their forces. This new Southern Coalition can hold their own and at least tread water if worse comes to worst while the CFC can get their revenge and fulfill their much touted “plans of punishment” they have been murmuring about for the past few months.

There’s nothing out there that suggests to me the N3 will stand against this. The Southern Coalition can regain their old renting territories in the deep south and push eastward until their border hits another Russian speaking entity, Legion of xXDeathXx. Speaking of which they could play an important role in this coming conflict if they really want to. If ties were made with their western compatriots in the form of Solar, AAA and DnD, they could be the ones that pulls the rug right out from under the N3 frontline.

The future of such a coalition is going to be extremely uncertain in the near future. The CFC would be smart to recognize that they, at least for the time being, are an asset. A south that belongs to N3 would be much more problematic than one that belonged to AAA/DnD/BL etc. Truthfully I don’t think anyone else really wants the south because it will mean having to constantly defend from the pissed off natives that will base out of Stain. Furthermore the stereo type that “Catch sucks” seems to stick in the mind of many people. Catch is decent space with some parts that suck while others that are quite nice.

Speaking of “hitting it in the ball park” it’s nice to see that TEST actually did what I suggested (I doubt I had any actual influence and to claim other wise would be sheer stupid arrogance) and focus on small(er) gang pvp to train up their FCs. I think it would be good to continue on this path yet at the same time opening up diplomatic relations with this new Southern Coalition. From the perspective of DnD/AAA/BL etc, I would strongly keep the door open to TEST as an alliance. Being rooted in Reddit I believe that TEST has long term staying power. What their leadership will do with that may or may not profit the alliance as a whole but they really have no where to go. CFC won’t take them in except as foot stools, N3 will never respect them. Joining up with the Southern Coalition is their best option. And why wouldn’t you want to have that many bodies to throw at your opponents? Yes TEST pretty much forced AAA to abandon Catch for quite some time but their return has made them more solidified than before. Never inflict every insult upon your enemy for in the future they may be your ally. I strongly suggest the Southern Coalition diplomats take TEST into consideration.

* Updated Nov 2nd, after N3’s loss at GE-*

Even with all the confidence from N3’s side they have been unable to score their much needed headshot victory at GE. Instead of “the Russians” crumbling to pieces I think this victory means much more to them than the loss for N3. In any case this shows that this will be a prolonged conflict. Really as N3 it may have been better to simply cede the southern renter regions which have been historically part of AAA+allies. Aside from Solar, no one else really seems to want the Drone Regions. With a bit better diplomacy, N3 could have earned AAA/DnD as allies and flipped the front line in Querious with AAA/DnD as a buffer against the CFC rather than having to save face from their failure in GE.

One other thing, when will people stop disconsidering Provibloc? They’ve defended their space time and time again, even more recently against the likes of Insidious Empire. So in essence Provibloc did something Razor couldn’t even do. (que sour grapes cliche meme here) Is Provibloc any sort of elite super cap power force? No. But to turn your nose up just for the sake of arrogance and scoff at them as N3 did in their previous state of the coalition is simply foolish. N3 could profit greatly from engaging in diplomatic talks with Provibloc who could be a small but persistent thorn in the side of AAA.

Question to N3 would be, are you happy with the way this conflict is shaping up? If not, it may not be a military problem, but a diplomatic one which leads to military failures. See how the CFC is “terrible at pvp” yet owns half of the Eve map? This is due to an intelligent political stratagem. To folly of the “elite pvp mentality” isn’t that we should scoff at pvp capable entities, but rather people who think military strength alone wins wars are certain to fail in the long term.

To get back to where we started, I believe BL is seeing this after their mishap in FR- and have decided to play a smarter game. People are going to whine, complain and call your alliance “shit” regardless of what you do. At the end of the day what matters is results.

- Seraph IX Basarab

112 Comments

  1. herpderp

    When it comes to Goons and BL – the answer should be obvious. When it comes to the pivotal battle – they’ll be on the same side.

    November 4, 2013 at 8:34 pm Reply
    1. Kamar Raimo

      To quote: Author does not understand BL

      November 4, 2013 at 9:11 pm Reply
      1. Seraph IX Basarab

        Except for the part, where you know, I kind of called it, right? ;)

        November 5, 2013 at 7:14 pm Reply
        1. Kamar Raimo

          I meant the guy who wrote the comment I replied to ;)

          November 5, 2013 at 8:48 pm Reply
  2. -_-

    The problem with this war is it is not fun for anyone as guarantees a lot of heavy tidi fights which only the most brain dead of EvE player enjoys. For a lot of alliances who just enjoy good PvP, this is not it. We need the day of the block war to end altogether and just all enjoy smaller gang fighting which is what generates “GF”s in local. Not the 5 hour battle where only 50 ships die and it took one minute for every click of the mouse to register.

    November 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
    1. ^-^

      TIDI also levels the playing field in terms of skill. Unskilled players can do well when they have five minutes to think about every mouse click.

      November 4, 2013 at 8:49 pm Reply
      1. morebortsigns

        f1 monkeys arent supposed to think,just shut up stare at the still pictures of a game your playing for and lock target on the names scrolling your fleet window.

        Its fun the first year then it turns to pretty much torture.

        November 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm Reply
    2. jaded grunt

      yeah, its interesting and fun on the meta side but the actual execution is a bit mèh and gets ruined by how the fight goes in practice. After 3 of these fights I stopped getting excited knowing its just going to be another slowmo lagfast.

      November 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm Reply
  3. Ezek Price

    :P I still stand by my comment. Time is always the judge.

    Also, space famous now.

    November 4, 2013 at 9:04 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Anything to help out old friends

      November 5, 2013 at 5:35 pm Reply
  4. Kamar Raimo

    As long as this sort of local bickering goes on, the CFC will remain dominant. You can think of them what you want, but they manage to keep the social cohesion intact while the majority of the alliances which could form a threat to them remain at eachothers throats.

    November 4, 2013 at 9:07 pm Reply
    1. CFC

      you people are idiots… this isnt goons work by creating hostilities between the coalitions… N3 and Stainwagon have been prepping for war for a little bit and goons are irrelevant… They are just there to kill whore and they suck so who cares lol

      November 5, 2013 at 3:16 am Reply
      1. Kamar Raimo

        Where exactly did I say anything about “Goons creating hostilities?”

        Calling people idiots while not even understanding the general meaning of two sentences doesn’t make you look smart either ;P

        November 5, 2013 at 3:38 am Reply
  5. 404 Not Found

    I blame obama

    November 4, 2013 at 9:09 pm Reply
  6. Provi Miner

    Provi? seriously that was funny. N3 blueing provi and provi blueing N3 is a non-starter. There are few place’s in ever where small corps and organise and try out stuff. Why would provi do that. Besides Having N3 as a friend is the same as saying having CFC as an enemy, or vice versa. Yeah we will blue those who help us, but always with the understanding its “just to keep provi, provi” Oh no watch out here comes the 250 kitchen sink fleet. Besides how NC delt and was delt with leads me to believe that most of provi would rather go to low sec and fight from there then blue up those ‘people’.

    November 4, 2013 at 9:13 pm Reply
    1. Booyeah

      Of the N3 pretty much NC can go fuck itself, even though Nulli is pretty chill to deal with. Nexus fleet? Less relevant than Provibloc.

      November 5, 2013 at 12:28 am Reply
      1. Provi Miner

        yeah nulli is cool always down for gudd fights, bc down 20 or less. Nulli knows how to have fun, nexus fleet bah they die.

        November 5, 2013 at 5:57 am Reply
      2. Southerner

        Its a pity that Null is so utterly loathed by AAA and DD.

        Everyone still remember Nulli’s glass chin and quitting in Delve and then invading AAA space on the enemies side.

        November 5, 2013 at 11:18 am Reply
      3. Swamp donkey

        Pretty much this.
        While Nulli are respected in Provibloc. NC. and PL are generally despised. No-one in Provi will care when these two get their shit pushed in.
        Besides PL will just piss off as soon as things start going badly for N3. just like they always do.
        PL are all about ganks, not real fights.

        November 5, 2013 at 6:20 pm Reply
        1. sprinkles

          Exactly. PL has always been just a bunch of arrogant rich boys. Doesnt take skill to cyno in super caps on anything that moves. If they were half as good as they imagine themselves to be, they would have taken out the CFC long ago.

          November 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm Reply
      4. Bring the Pain

        Did they blow up your Super Mr Happy?

        November 5, 2013 at 6:47 pm Reply
        1. Booyeah

          I’ve never owned a super, Mr. Presumptuous.

          November 5, 2013 at 11:30 pm Reply
  7. -a- is shit

    this has to be written by a cfc dude, it screams propaganda. Daddy cfc doesnt do anything but throw more bodies at shit and pray to win hence when mittens cried to ccp to nerf everything that could counter his blob and now they added -a- and all their shit pets to their blob now

    November 4, 2013 at 9:57 pm Reply
    1. Alhana

      Cry more cock sucker :)

      November 5, 2013 at 9:38 am Reply
      1. heh

        Is he a whiner? Probably but its kind of true. Stainwagon could have consolidated with N3 to finally wipe out CFC but instead decided to sell out just like NC. did back in the day. You are the next NC. which will then once with an ability to make their own decisions, CFC will elect the next pet to put in place until they then as well do the same exact thing. Nasty cycle there, but its a truth none of the less.

        November 8, 2013 at 1:14 am Reply
  8. Observer

    Blah blah blah go suck Elo cock already. Chat about the massive blob odds of CfC/solar/Stainwagon/BL. Persian hoarde against the N3 Spartans.
    The war was shaping up for GFs wich is usually expected from Stain guys. However it looks like they are taking a leaf out of cfc book and just dumping a rediculious amount of numbers creating laggy aweful tidi worse than iv been in in a long time, no sign of gfs, but N3 keep rolling on fighting the blob like Spartans. Got to admire those guys they always bring it against the odds.
    Just a shame I suppose.

    November 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm Reply
    1. Jara Mulkka

      Or maybe, N3 are taking a leaf out of the “failcascade coalition” book? For a coalition with about 30,000 bored nurds fighting another coalition of about 9,000 dudes (SW) + another 7,500 dudes (RAZOR, BL, SOLAR) that is half to one-third your size, you are in NO position to complain about getting blobbed. If you can’t fill out your fleets fighting in a sov war when you outnumber your enemy 2-3:1, then it is solely YOUR fault for getting “blobbed.” Yall might have a participation problem bud ;).

      And don’t even try to blame the “blobbing” on CFC. Out of the seven engagements on Nov.2 and Nov.3 between SW and N3, token CFC forces were only involved in two of them. In Doril, Goons brought a 35 man bomber wing to a 1500 man fight, entirely insignificant. In-fact, they were wiped out by BL, so much for CFC being bros with SW. And in GE, CFC/Goons brought a 100 man shits’n giggles Harpy fleet to a fight that involved nearly 3000 pilots, again, insignificant.

      November 5, 2013 at 3:26 am Reply
    2. xxxxx

      lol N3 Spartan nerds.

      November 5, 2013 at 2:20 pm Reply
  9. Bruce From AAA

    OP get the fuck out we were doing fine with out BL and as much as we like them being around it does not mean we are paraplegics with out them. Lets be honest -A- will come through and we will help our Russian brothers reclaim their stolen space. N3 is a husk of what it has been and Vince has stolen all the money to pay the rent. We will create a new world order with our superior time zone coverage. Better get used to low sec victims your days are numbered. Oh and before we get another flood of tears in here we did not invite goons they are just here for the good fights and N3 BBQ

    November 4, 2013 at 11:47 pm Reply
    1. Also "Bruce" from -A-

      LOL, -A- doing fine without their friends. You must be from Black Aces, if you really are from -A-. Alliance leadership gets cocky, tells the bad dudes “here we come” then gets king hit by their super fleet in GE-, -A- staging system. The only reason GE- is not in the hands of bad dudes is because -A-‘s Russian overlords (I used the correct term there) saved the day.
      The conquest of Catch is still not completed, bad dudes still hold R64 moons in Catch, and the killboard says more about -A-‘s ability to farm provifags then it does doing the good work of defending and building a health alliance.
      Too much talk about being “l33t”, not enough actually being l33tpvp.

      November 5, 2013 at 2:30 am Reply
      1. ex MVN

        ha so do you consider DD elite? since your claim is the reason AAA held ge- is because of DD saving the day and fighting pl/nc. off… the truth is DD is elite and I’d say at the very least 1/3 of AAA are elite pvp pilots. nc. and pl are also elite but in no way is this going to be an easy fight for them and I would not be surprised to see stainwagon push N3 out of catch as they run for the hills and form an excuse for their failure

        November 5, 2013 at 3:12 am Reply
        1. Jitadude

          End of the day….AAA space was taken again by a coalition and again AAA has it back. What is interesting this time around is that instead of just AAA, the enemy has managed to metastasize the AAA cancer into DD and AAA both of which are near the top of eve kills each month. I honest think the combination of todays AAA and DD is a stronger entity than the old AAA alone.

          November 5, 2013 at 11:12 am Reply
      2. Addrake

        Allies defend their allies. It isn’t a master/pet issue. We’re in this to win this m8.

        November 5, 2013 at 5:17 am Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      I’ve said literally nothing for you to get defensive about =(

      November 5, 2013 at 5:37 pm Reply
  10. Provigrunt

    Provi and Nulli get along fairly well in a frienemy kind of way.
    Provi and NC., less so.

    November 5, 2013 at 1:51 am Reply
  11. Anoneemouse

    “You don’t want to raise up another batch of lovable idiots that you’ll have to put down later now do you? No”

    Actually , Yes.

    November 5, 2013 at 4:28 am Reply
  12. anon

    Seraph, DnD is Drunk ‘n Disorderly, not whatever Russian alliance you think it is.

    November 5, 2013 at 6:07 am Reply
    1. A Merc

      Didn’t they disband some months ago?

      November 5, 2013 at 11:44 am Reply
  13. THE BLUE DONUT THEORY

    This is due to an intelligent political stratagem << Actually this statement is exactly the reason why null is boring in the first place

    November 5, 2013 at 6:40 am Reply
  14. Awatar

    So now it’s Only N3 that isn’t allied with the CFC.
    All hail the blue donut!
    Let the Russians steamroll N3 so they can buy new Beemers and kill EVE

    November 5, 2013 at 7:58 am Reply
    1. Jitalover

      I still remember N3 allied and working with TEST who was allied to CFC when nulli came south to stab AAA in the back. Funny how the blue donut was not an issue then.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:06 am Reply
      1. Awatar

        N3 Was Allied with PL and not the HBC back then.

        November 5, 2013 at 11:57 am Reply
        1. Cake

          Yet you left your bros to die to the cfc claiming tech agreement while you went after solar, nc. Play into goons hands time and time again… I think someone has a spy problem

          November 5, 2013 at 1:54 pm Reply
          1. Goo

            Solar actually made the excuse not to help Soco and started attacking NC. Moons trying to Jew income while NCdot were elsewhere. That’s the biggest reason NCdot had to slaughter solar block an pets.

            November 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm
  15. imsosly

    Someday all will unite and rid New Eden of the cancer that is CFC. Now THAT would be worth doing. N3 is not worth the long drawn out pointless blob battles. He who KILLS goons will be the new kings of New Eden.

    November 5, 2013 at 8:29 am Reply
    1. CVA Grunt

      THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN . if the cfc does fall apart it will be because of internal issues not external and as long as mit and his boyz are about that wont happen any time soon

      November 7, 2013 at 3:35 pm Reply
      1. heh

        Most likely true, but its not impossible what imsosly says. Quite possible actually. Problem is politics of everyone getting together to finally take on goons. Game mechanics would work in their favor as they could crash nodes just like goons can. On top of that working seperately in more elite groups could make it difficult as well for a change up pitch after duking it out head on making it a severe headache for goons. This is possible, but unlikely due to politics and politics alone.

        November 7, 2013 at 8:57 pm Reply
  16. jeffraider

    provi bloc defended there space against emp… emp isn’t a force they can’t pvp they can only take empty space and even then they find it difficult

    November 5, 2013 at 8:34 am Reply
    1. Provi Miner

      thats so funny the name jr as you post name. I listened to the pod cast of emp, and as a provi blocker I can only say emp without massive support is useless as tits on a warthog. Emp came for a curb stomp and didn’t find it. Even when they outclassed provi is ship comp they wouldn’t take an even fight. Watching them run time and time again got rather boring and old very fast.

      November 5, 2013 at 1:05 pm Reply
  17. american idiots

    you take all of solars space,insult rus

    call us pet and useless,than you have nerve to reinforce ge-8

    what you think would happen,we let you keep our space?

    from catch over insmother and drone lands till geminite is russia,why would we let you stay?

    November 5, 2013 at 10:49 am Reply
    1. Kweetniet

      http://postimg.org/image/4ye5cvrjz/

      That’s what happens with ‘great Russians’ :P
      Putin next ^^

      November 5, 2013 at 12:32 pm Reply
    2. Booyeah

      American idiots, really? How about we judge Russians on the actions of xxDeath?

      November 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm Reply
  18. DD_FC

    “From the perspective of DnD/AAA/BL etc, I would strongly keep the door open to TEST as an alliance”

    Not going to happen. TEST is nothing without its former PL masters. I remember very well when TEST cracked numerous times only to have PL (who actually have skill) pull their ass out of the fire. Everything accomplished by TEST, in spite of their numbers, has been on the backs of others. No self respecting entity would take them in.

    “With a bit better diplomacy, N3 could have earned AAA/DnD as allies”

    That was never going to happen. Nulli is loathed in the south for the treachery they inflicted during the Delve war. After quitting their own war while AAA fought on to defend their space, they switched side and invaded AAA space when AAA was being overrun. As mentioned, Russians have long memories. NC. on the other hand are chill and way to pro for Nulli.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:31 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Not that I disagree but Nulli remember the Delve war as “AAA not coming through to help their allies and only bringing sniping Tengus to get a few kills.”

      November 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm Reply
      1. stainres

        LOL. The sheer grid dominance of tengus back then made them a far superior platform than anything – anything – else fielded back then.

        Nulli refused to train into them and thus often died whereas other allied fleets did not.

        November 5, 2013 at 10:57 pm Reply
        1. heh

          Tengus are nasty. Good range, good DPS, good defense, nice signature radius. Great speed in comparison to what they normally fight. It’s a brutal control style fleet doctrine. It’s a good style.

          But lets be honest with ourselves here. They as an entity (nulli and AAA) were fighting a losing battle and for some reason or another couldnt consolidate well enough together back then. Nowadays could be different… but pettiness tends to be tedious but always present when dealing with past failings and the need to assign blame and atone for it.

          November 8, 2013 at 1:21 am Reply
    2. Digby

      now, lets roll-back a little bit here……”for the treachery they inflicted during the Delve war”

      so Nulli where to be slaughtered in Delve while AAA carebears spent there time making isk ?

      The hole reason AAA, ROL and co went belly up and the south was lost, was due to its leadership being rotten. It had nothing to do with Nulli walking away from situation that could not be defended.

      As always, “the russians” remember what suits them

      And talking of remembering and memories.
      The only thing “the russians” can really be remembered for is
      – back stabbing
      – RMT
      – bit more Back stabbing
      – carebears …
      – did I say, RMT !

      November 5, 2013 at 5:41 pm Reply
    3. Alifikduzimir

      NCdot isn’t exactly about to forget the incredible stupidities of Solar either, mate.

      November 8, 2013 at 12:51 pm Reply
  19. Concerned Citizen

    CFC has already decided where they are on this, their support of Solar continues. BLOPS fleets and cloaky campers from CFC alliances have spread out over the drone regions in the past week or so in an attempt to deny income to N3 by disrupting renter operations. If the war goes poorly for Solar and friends look for CFC operations to open up a second front in Kalevala Expanse or Cobalt Edge. This isn’t a disagreement between the south and the east over space. This is all of null dogpiling N3.

    November 5, 2013 at 12:24 pm Reply
    1. Togo

      Yup sad to see the biggest blobs in the game trying to nullify dogpile like worthless scrubs on eves biggest content creating coalition.

      November 5, 2013 at 2:23 pm Reply
      1. stfu

        i am sorry, n3 is not the biggest content creating coalition. if you say they are please show us what content you have provided.

        fountain war, cfc started it.
        since then you havent done anything except take rent payments and lose ships. you cant count the BL super kills because that was PL creating the content.

        November 5, 2013 at 6:54 pm Reply
        1. Necromonger

          We have a winner !!!!

          November 5, 2013 at 7:09 pm Reply
  20. mercfromabove

    I disagree with that last statement, Goons might have good diplo’s and very well thought out long term plans, but they have the man power to pull stuff off. not to mention, They have high sp characters, its not like TEST kitchen sink fleets, despite not liking them, they are not bad pvpers. They can defend, and invade space when needed with any doctrines they need

    November 5, 2013 at 2:22 pm Reply
  21. Titus Veridius

    Underestimating the defensive tenacity of provibloc is just as bad as overestimating how much of an offensive thorn they could be to nearby foe.

    November 5, 2013 at 4:25 pm Reply
    1. Will Birchall

      AAA wanted to take back ‘all of Catch’, however its no secret that Provibloc wanted the psuedo-Provi systems in Catch (ie the 7MD/ERVK to ZQ pipe). Provibloc fights for Providence alone and I think it’s extremely unlikely that a deal could be struck with N3.

      Saying that, this does seem like an opportune moment for Provi to try and reclaim ERVK and in doing so, be a bit of a nuisance. Further to this, I’m sure there will be Providence pilots who want to get involved in good fights which are occuring pretty much on their doorstep.
      Perhaps not an offensive thorn no, but Provibloc does easily have the capability to be a very annoying bramble!

      November 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm Reply
    2. Provi Miner

      Lets be fair here, the defensive tenacity of provi block comes from two main sources. The first and most important one: Sov mechanics as long as entities have to grind provi is fairly safe, imagin grinding a 2 to 1 region (two systems with stations to every system with out a statiion). The second part is the ease of access, allows for large groups to come join the fight. I remind everyone of the fight for 9uy, a ten or more sided fight with people working together for 10-20 min and shooting each other 15 min later. That was a serious furrball.

      November 6, 2013 at 1:16 pm Reply
  22. Chris

    BL only blue up with someone until they fullfill their usefulness. Then they backstab them.

    I’m pretty sure BL will be added to the russian hate list at some point.

    November 5, 2013 at 7:29 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Who have they back stabbed? Maybe one can make an argument for 401k…maybe…

      November 5, 2013 at 8:03 pm Reply
      1. BL. Grunt

        401k began to fall apart before we left them. They in a terrible position in the North where they were. Why would we continue to protect and ultimately baby sit a dying animal?

        P.S. Author still does not understand BL.

        November 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I’d be curious to hear an explanation.

          November 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm Reply
  23. Toshi

    Test is not training new FCs in lowsec their standard methodology is to kite, run, stab and cloak. They are in lowsec to make ISK nothing more.

    November 5, 2013 at 8:22 pm Reply
    1. Jesus Loves You

      New FCs are actually being trained, you have no idea what you are talking about.

      November 5, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
  24. yomomma

    Author still does not understand BL

    November 6, 2013 at 7:41 am Reply
  25. Hemmo paskiainen

    what is this for piece of manipulating trash talk, who gives a shit. Ppff you suck, eve24 still crap mindfood

    November 6, 2013 at 11:35 am Reply
  26. asweetvet

    Author really, REALLY, does not understand providence either…

    November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm Reply
    1. i fux wit dat

      carebear…carebear some more…whine when pvp happens…be bad at it…whine…

      November 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm Reply
      1. asweetvet

        here let me lift that rock under which you’ve been living for the past few months.

        November 6, 2013 at 3:38 pm Reply
        1. i fux wit dat

          no dude, everyone knows provi is just the place you go to stomp scrubs. its like a brothel for desperate people that dont want a challenge

          November 6, 2013 at 3:40 pm Reply
          1. asweetvet

            EMP thought so as well … two weeks into their deployment they went back home to grief their own bears for not having come over, they got welped a few times and they provided a shit ton of rage pings for us to read and giggle <3

            Providence is terribad .. but still better than people who go there thinking they are less terribad ;)

            November 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            More often than not the determination of one side can make up for lack of martial prowess. Or rather, that determination in itself becomes that prowess. Provibloc has a strong history in the area which is why I have a hard time seeing anyone removing them from the region. The likes of EMP, Of Sound Mind, Noir, all were held off. If Provibloc is “terrible” what does it say about those entities? (Insert sour grapes remark.)

            November 6, 2013 at 3:49 pm
          3. Provibloccer

            Provi bloc will never blue anyone for any offensive actions, only defensive actions. Also why would we subject ourselves to 10% tidi? That stuff sucks, we normally fight in zero tidi.

            Please tell everyone we are terrible, we like when mediocre pvpers come to provi because ‘they are so bad’ and we dunk them hard.

            November 6, 2013 at 4:00 pm
          4. Seraph IX Basarab

            I don’t think Provi bloc would or should ally up with anyone for offensive actions. Also you are making a fairly common mistake thinking that only the large scale grand battles are important ones. Although you can not win a war solely with asymmetric tactics, you can certainly set yourself up to win the major battle by its use.

            I also don’t think provi bloc is terrible. I especially find Severence to be a great small gang pvp alliance. In my time with bombers bar I saw some main FCs refuse to go to Provi because of the difficulty of dealing with them.

            November 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm
          5. CVA Grunt

            I think you have a fairly good grasp of proviblock it is true that we cant go butt heads with the big boys but we will fight .The fact that all the Trainer corps take there nubs out to provi to learn pvp should say something ,they know they will for the most part get good fights . we will never drop a hand full of supers on a gang ,we will just go hit them with the kitchen sink.. I live in provi because I have freedom to play the way I want we don’t do cta`s what we do is set taxis to 100 % during operations like 9uy or any other threat that has to be fought where large numbers are required.
            personally I like the fact that -a- will be our neighbors it`s the they way it should be I hope that the southern coalition devolpes into a force that will be able to confront the likes of CFC and N3 and pl what they want the drone lands back is beyond me unless all the blotting and rmt charges are true .
            we proviblockers know we are at a disadvantage with our crappie space but it is our crappie space -7- is a good group of guys that do well in small gang pvp .we will always be the underdog in these type of fights .
            and there are no tears in provi or winning or bitching or moaning we know who we are what we are about .

            November 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm
          6. asweetvet

            I was not referring to your lack of comprehension about provi on that aspect … some could argue that providence’s attacking capabilities are close to that of a mosquito vs any semi-serious entity. However that aside you seem to be missing something else that’s crucial about providence : There’s still e-bushido left in that space!

            Provi has traditionally never joined any entity on the offensive and rarely -if ever at all- a non provi entity on the defensive. While they will accept help in defending their space they will never help taking/defending hostile space…. well … not directly. As an eve-reporter I suggest in the future you take a good look at subtle hints of “friend-neminess” like, I don’t know, VC bombers taking down Mildly bubbles freeing up an -A- cap in a catch system, before PL reinforcements got there to dunk it?

            Finally let me close with the following : Provi will never go backstab one of their reds while they are fighting their own war in the name of some other red. And in all honesty, if we were to take parts we’d rather be on the side of our neighbors just cause we like cheering for the so called “underdog” ;)

            November 6, 2013 at 4:19 pm
          7. Seraph IX Basarab

            That’s kind of been my understanding too to be honest. I think Provibloc would rather have a stable AAA oriented south rather than a Catch that is always in flux with uncertainties. You know what to expect from AAA. They roam in provi, you roam in catch, it doesn’t get too serious, everyone knows where the border is (except Volt apparently) and that’s that. Eve is always made up of more than just “people you like and people you don’t like.” There’s also people you don’t like, but like more than those other guys you absolutely hate.

            Concerning space bushido, I think it’s a completely viable ideology that works to develop the culture and mindset of a group in the same way the “scammer” culture did in Goonswarm and TEST or even nationalism in entities such as Red Alliance and Solar. All of them are viable concepts.

            November 6, 2013 at 4:54 pm
          8. Seraph IX Basarab

            Oh but I guess I don’t understand provi my bad ;)

            November 6, 2013 at 3:50 pm
          9. Indy

            true, that… probably the only place where I have a chance of getting solo kills :)

            November 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm
        2. vet? lol

          I’ve lived there, i’ve flied there and i’ve died there.

          “carebear…carebear some more…whine when pvp happens…be bad at it…whine…”

          That is the best description to date of what provi is like.

          November 7, 2013 at 1:12 am Reply
  27. indy

    bullshit, the southern coalition should ally up with N3 not fight them, Goons are the ones that should be fought and taken apart! Seriously guys how much stronger will the rest of eve let CFC get before they unite and try to destroy or at the very least trim them?
    Seriously the only reason I ressubed my account some months back was that HBC grew strong and I wanted to join them and fight the CFC which seemed likely at the time and Montolio seemed to want that and Rightly so, that would be the only thing and still is the only thing that could possibly fix EVE !!!!
    why do people not get that?!

    November 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      If N3 gave the south their historical renting grounds and tried to patch things up with BL that’s a possibility. But right now they’ve made too much bad blood with the russians and BL for that to happen. The CFC could of had their neck broken in Tribute had Vince Draken handled his diplomacy better with Black Legion and Solar instead of alienating one and having a 2nd front open with the other.

      November 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm Reply
      1. hateraid

        helping PL dogpile on 20+ SC’s is WAAAAAAAAAAAY more than “bad blood” more like a reason to exterminate their in-game friends family and relatives.

        November 7, 2013 at 1:09 am Reply
        1. Bring the Pain

          Bait is bait and if you show up to kill said “bait” be prepared for the counter drop. Any time SC’s are tackled the entirety of eve will show up to shoot them.

          November 8, 2013 at 2:13 pm Reply
      2. old timer

        this is not true.

        i fought the tribute war from day one to the last vale sov. the only thing that did slow cfc was autz timers set by ncdot. not winning fast enough ^^

        sure elo knight had a few shiny victories , cfc welped shit tons of drakes, but the dotbros never have been even close to take back a single system.
        and about vince’s politics… metagame is totaly part of a bloc level sov war. you shouldnt play that kind of game if you are not good at it.

        November 7, 2013 at 10:53 pm Reply
        1. Alifikduzimir

          Actually Vince does metagaming very well: He get’s more fights, not less.

          November 8, 2013 at 12:46 pm Reply
      3. Alifikduzimir

        Vince doesn’t carry the responsibility to what happen in the Tribute war alone, by far.

        – BL broke from the Dotbros officially because of the falcon incident (clash of egos), but this was just the tipping point, BL was looking for a way out of the sov warfare anyway and Elo responded well to Mittens propaganda stroking his ego

        – Solar was purely stupid, despite a very generous offers from Dotbros (Vale on a silver plate), just to keep out of the conflict. Instead they had to keep attacking NCdot assets until the mutual respect was gone and N3 organized the taking of the drone regions as payback.

        November 8, 2013 at 1:02 pm Reply
        1. Alifikduzimir

          correction: Geminate on a silver plate

          November 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm Reply
          1. Cake

            Which was theirs to begin with, solar has no beef with cfc…NC. it has unlimited beef

            November 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm
        2. Seraph IX Basarab

          I’m not too sure BL was looking for a way out of the war. After the split in dotbros they went north and ganked Razor caps and reinforced moons like crazy. As for Solar, I can’t say because I wasn’t in the “room” when those deals were made.

          November 8, 2013 at 4:03 pm Reply
    2. tidi 0.0001%

      Im in the CFC and since CCP fucks up so hard with nodes and TIDI, it is impossible under the current eve system to kill or beat the CFC in any direct confrontation. We alone can outblob one system so hard that it will have a node crash.

      November 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm Reply
      1. heh

        Not quite true, if the rest of Null banded together, it would be the same thing if they did it. 30k vs 30k. CFC makes up only half of null. Technically speaking, the other half can do the exact same thing given your argument. On top of that, they can seperate out and attack from different fronts and strategies…. which seperates you out to not being able to kill nodes unless you concentrate on one foe, which would be shooting yourself in the foot. FYI, its a weak argument anyways since really all that means is pre TIDI battles which everyone else old enough knows how to do as well.

        November 7, 2013 at 8:48 pm Reply
        1. Goons are Eve

          You say “if” ALL the rest band together…. but that’s impossible. No one else has the same set up as the CFC. You tackle something and it takes all of 1 minute (if that long) to ping and you have thousands of people logging in to protect what’s ours. The logistics of communication alone would doom you to failure! The CFC members know how good we got it and aren’t going to let you scrub pubbies do a damn thing to screw with it. You could drop EVERYTHING you got on Mittens in a frig and we would keep him flying!

          November 7, 2013 at 9:59 pm Reply
          1. heh

            “But thats impossible” Nothing is impossible. Also you like to describe very specific situations which might not have anything to do with what it would take…. super obvious…super duh!… and super who cares about specific scenarios everyone knows the answer to. Seems more like stupid propaganda and a want to never have the CFC invaded, which by the way, I happen to think won’t happen any time soon. I’m not particularly butt hurt in anyway shape or form, just giving possible scenarios that can work. If you are mad about that fact, then too bad. Sorry buddy, maybe recruit another 5-10 thousand and you might be good to go and never have to worry. However eventually its going to get to the point where CFC has to purge itself just to keep the economy alive and the gameplay as well. So one way or another…. it won’t be the CFC you know now in the future. Stop getting butt hurt, its just a video game.

            November 8, 2013 at 12:57 am
          2. old timer

            if all of nullsec attacks cfc , they will loose. there are very few entitites in the game that are as dedicated and resilient as cfc.
            we have just won the fountain war against all of nullsec but stainwagon and solar, and we did grind two regions in bombers. plus we do have numerical advantage.

            i think thats the main reason all of nullsec doesn’t attack us. they know they would loose anyway.

            and also , all of nullsec wont unite in anycase , like PL and solar standing together , just lol.

            these, are facts.

            November 8, 2013 at 5:04 pm
          3. heh

            CFC isn’t more resilient and/or dedicated than everyone else. They just have more numbers than any one or 2 coalitions put together which gives the impression. So yes if everyone else in null banded together, yes you would have equal numbers, and possibly a better coalition with overall better quality players as quality tends to spread out more and quantity of f1 pushers tends to go whereever they find quality. Put the Quality together, you get something.

            You are wrong that they will never absolutely unite, but you are right in the fact that it is unlikely and people fall for CFC diplomacy and don’t squash petty rivalries on the side for dealing with CFC.

            No, you didn’t win the fountain war against all of nullsec. You won it against 1 very large alliance and 2 others who were quite frankly half assing it with a possibilility of fully stepping in if TEST could pull something. However with HBC gone at that point, which was half of the power needed, you really were only dealing with half of the problem… which diplomatically and politically makes sense (kudos to using your diplos.) However suggesting it was all of nullsec is just pandering to yourself and others likeminded. Let’s be realistic here. Not too mention Russians weren’t even really in the game at the time either. So realistically you won against half of a coalition with another coalition and a half remaining elsewhere. Later n3 would form and so would stainwagon, and now on top of that, this new reformed stain wagon. On top of that the remainder of the HBC that was gone or irrelevant at that point and couldn’t even participate.

            As I’ve been saying, its a diplomatic win more than anything. If people put aside diplomacy with CFC and other petty politics things would be different. Also like I’ve said before, thats also unlikely as well at this point in time.

            November 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm
  28. war anyone?

    Inb4 the leadership of black legion joins PL the way -A- did.

    November 6, 2013 at 9:30 pm Reply
  29. Andy -EMP grunt

    To be fair on Proviblock, noone actually wants to take and hold their space. When EMP tried to take 9uy it was because we needed a catalyst to spark medium to large engagements against a determined foe (read, they’re not brawling us for gudfites) that we could test some experimental concepts in without worrying about capital escalation.

    November 7, 2013 at 1:51 pm Reply
  30. heh

    If anyone hasn’t figured this out yet, theres a general nullsec agreement to remove NC. from the list of major alliances right now. Maybe not everyone is involved yet, or will be depending on whats needed, but thats becuase its depending on whats needed with the least political hassle and plausible deniability possible. NC. days are numbered. PL isn’t that far off unless they choose to return to being nomads. I will say this though, its not n3 thats on the hit list, and its not PL… just NC. Nulli might get an ass spanking because of what AAA wants, but it isn’t in the CFC master plan, so they still got a chance to live.

    November 7, 2013 at 9:04 pm Reply
    1. NC. Scrub

      Please tell us were Vince or NC. Touched you., therefore we can get an idea of why your so hurt :(

      November 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm Reply
      1. heh

        Everytime someone tries to make a comment about a situation and includes a specific entity —>insert this {Where did (insert alliance you were talking about) touch you?}

        No offense but it gets really old, especially when most of the time it’s not even the case. Even when it is, (as everyone tends to lose to some specific alliance at some point) it really has nothing to do with making a point outside of the game on a website.

        Gets old bro… gets old.

        If you are really that butt hurt about NC. losing, how about talk about it, instead of trying to bully people because you were bullied. It’s very defensive and very obvious.

        November 8, 2013 at 12:52 am Reply
        1. Alifikduzimir

          TL;DR
          Mittens decided he wants NCdot dead so all his servants go with that narrative.

          November 8, 2013 at 12:42 pm Reply
          1. heh

            But it isn’t just a narrative, it’s almost or is fully a directive. I’m not even one of his servants and I can see that. You don’t need to be one of his servants to see what is going on. Just breathe in and enjoy the clarity for once… sometimes its smart to just know whats going on and where the diplomacy and propaganda leads, not just be a pet for one side and just plug your ears with your fingers and say “La la la la I can’t hear you.”

            November 8, 2013 at 6:49 pm
      2. CVA Grunt

        what that’s the best most intelligent reply you can come up with

        November 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm Reply

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