Mad ani is covering the fight
http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani
Currently have AAA in a tengu fleet, BL in a zealot fleet, Solar in a tengu fleet, nc. in a loki fleet, s2n in a proteus fleet, razor are in system in a zealot fleet. Darkness of Despair in a Typhoon fleet, rest of N3 alliances in a maelstrom fleet, Solar fleet in a tengu fleet, pl in a proteus fleet.
The fighting is occuring in GE-8JV so keep a eye on the killboards :)

Will keep you guys updated as they fight goes on!

- Local is now at 3000 people
– TiDi is maxed out at 10%
– ALOT of t3 cruisers on field.
– N3 and SW brawling it out on a cluster of Cynos (assuming N3 cyno’d in on these)
– Insidious Empire has a brutix fleet in system, while not official members of n3, emp is n3 friendly.
– Over 130billion isk destroyed so far. (eve-kill.net is begin dodgy for this fight)
– Reports have it stainwagon is taking more losses then n3.
– pl fighting solar/razor in a different spot in system.
– DD fleet got bombed (most of their fleet dies)
– N3 fleet caught in bubbled, Stainwagon outside of them
– http://i.imgur.com/5phLsXc.png, good ideas of numbers on each side (but goonswarm are neutral party not on anyones side (par not shooting razor ofc.))
– Confusing to tell whos winning at this stage, seems fairly even.
– Stainwagon seems to be pulling ahead, probably because of their ability to reship faster then N3 (GE is there staging system)
– N3 leave the field
– Fight has ended, approximately 1500-1600 ships were destroyed with the isk total ranging from 70-150b isk, killboards seem to be having difficulty tracking this magnitude of fight :)

177 Comments

  1. raven7032

    CCP wins! MJD is not working in TiDi =(

    November 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm Reply
    1. Shadow

      They did work. It’s just that the “10% tidi” appeared to be much heavier – at certain points, we (NC.) had multiple of reports of mods getting stuck and / or not responding for several minutes at a time. We did notice (some) MJD-activations on grid on the phoons.

      November 2, 2013 at 8:12 pm Reply
  2. YOLO

    Razor and cfc are targeting N3 forces and helping Stainwagon/solar/BL. Ofc numbers in stain wagons favour but not skill.

    November 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm Reply
    1. zzzzzzzzzz

      yes because unike n3/pets, they keep logging in and fighting. sorry but individual pilots skill makes no difference with 3k players and 10% TiDi.

      November 2, 2013 at 7:16 pm Reply
      1. ^^

        No they keep getting extra alliances to help out number N3 but they aren’t that good at EvE, so who can blame them.

        November 2, 2013 at 8:07 pm Reply
    2. Jk

      This is full retard at its finest. In the N3 state of the coalition, they openly admit that they have greater numbers than Stainwagon and expect to outnumber them…As for CFC “helping” SW+SF/BL, that has nothing to do with any formal coalition-level co-operation, seems to be more along the lines of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now…),” which is to say, that it’s an informal/tacit agreement that N3 are mutual enemies (rather than CFC and SW being formal allies). Undoubtedly, CFC hates N3 way more than SW and considers them the greater threat (because of PL’s membership), so it’s only natural they they’re going to bash on N3 whenever they can. The only indication for formal co-operation are rumours of RAZOR bluing SW/SF/BL.

      This fight was pretty close, N3 overall faced more hostiles than SW for sure, that’s fair to say. The proportion of kills ISK-wise was close to even, with a slight favour towards N3, largely because of some very well timed/lucky bombing runs. Bombing runs can shift the ISK-balance very easily in fights – in this one, it favoured N3, it can just as easily favour SW in the next fight; so considering that, the tactical victory ever so slightly belonged to N3, while the strategic victory was SW’s.

      Long-term prognosis: SW victory is almost assured with CFC participation, otherwise, numbers, resources/ISK, and supercarriers/titans favour N3 if PL gets involved.

      November 3, 2013 at 3:36 am Reply
  3. Some Vet

    Stainwagon will just keep on reshipping as its in there own staging system and the critical mass will swing in there favor I am sure

    November 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm Reply
    1. I was there

      N3 fought outnumbered something like 2000 v 800 but this is normal really.

      November 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm Reply
      1. LOL

        Hahahaha spin harder scrub

        November 3, 2013 at 12:36 am Reply
  4. Darkness Grunt

    Reports during fight suggests that those brave N3 pilots are using nullified subs….

    November 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm Reply
    1. mr nobody

      wont be hard to find a kill with it fitted then

      November 2, 2013 at 7:55 pm Reply
    2. -_-

      N3 plays so well they must be using magic right?

      November 2, 2013 at 8:01 pm Reply
  5. Rolo

    Stainwagon/Solar/Contingent of CFC who Quote “were neutral” but happened to never shoot or get shot by the forementioned BL. vs N3/PL/NCdot
    Ended up being around 2000 vs N3 sides 1000, maybe a little over at times.
    2:1 odds were good for any spartan, but the blobbers won in the end in Russian prime time.
    Highlights of fight.
    Elo getting podded.
    Gawd damn aweful 10% tidi lagged to hell,barely able to cycl guns and shoot, DCing and black screens all over the place, GJ CCP.
    Stainwagon side being able to outblob with numbers and easy access to reinforcement won them the field after substantial loss from that small terrier that pitted its self again the mass.
    All around props to N3 for fighting that blob, shame about the piling on,but they do what they got to do to win lol

    November 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm Reply
      1. mercfromabove

        goons are not neutral, please get your spies to do a better job

        November 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
      2. anonymous

        Your own link puts the numbers at 1730 vs 1300 and then you can factor in that every person on your side that died reshipped while we were unable to do that nearly as quickly. Factor that in combined with the losses on n3’s side and by the end of the fight the numbers were probably closer to 1730 vs <1000.

        Don't get me wrong it was a good fight all things considered even though it was borderline unbearable due to heavy lag. Isk war probably goes to N3 since more battleships, t3's and hacs died on Darkness's side. Kill count goes to Darkness due to the amount of n3 bombers that died.

        November 2, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
    1. Scrub

      Elo podded … BL stays on field continues to fight and holds field until last hostile gone. Yes I would consider that a high light. :)

      November 2, 2013 at 8:49 pm Reply
      1. lol

        bl did not infact “hold the field” daddy goon did that for them because they knew they wouldnt hold it without cfc coming to hold their hands

        November 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm Reply
        1. umad

          u mad bro cfc came with what harpys?:D

          November 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm Reply
      2. bro

        Nope, bl ran once elo got primaried off the field.

        November 2, 2013 at 11:00 pm Reply
      3. Jaime Gomes

        They were camping the jb’s after elo got primaried….

        November 3, 2013 at 2:42 pm Reply
    2. whatever

      -DD- dudes dont have ship reimbursement. The reinforcements they received – they deserved it, it was not served on a golden plate.

      As for the losses – yes, the bombers damaged hard. Because for some reason, MJDs dont work in lags, but bombs do.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm Reply
  6. Archie Legupski

    NCdot/PL/N3/EMP creating good content. Balls to jump in knowing every scrub was going to dog pile on them.
    Did very well considering =)

    November 2, 2013 at 8:21 pm Reply
    1. whatever

      N3 was formed to crush Goons. And guess what? They failed even at starting that war, after a year.
      Stainwagon got bored of doing nothing after they obtained the last region, Catch, a couple of weeks ago. So they choose to punish those risk-averse fags.
      So yeah, N3 is creating the contents.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:35 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        Failed at even starting that war? It was called Fountain and we lost.

        November 2, 2013 at 9:53 pm Reply
        1. whatever

          So it was YOUR war? How come TEST alliance is in N3 coallition?

          November 2, 2013 at 10:04 pm Reply
          1. bro

            You are so uninformed test is not with n3.

            November 2, 2013 at 10:59 pm
      2. so bad you are

        you do realize n3 allowed them to have it right? stainwagon and -a- had no one to fight while taking it they were basically given the space. Now they have to earn it.

        November 2, 2013 at 10:54 pm Reply
  7. NCdawt best dawt

    So basically we raped everything.

    They held the field because we wanted them to, why stop a good thing when we can keep farming the shit out of them for the next 3 months,

    November 2, 2013 at 8:21 pm Reply
  8. heh.....

    Good idea of the numbers….. puts *CFC on both sides*

    Look guys… even numbers! lol…

    November 2, 2013 at 8:22 pm Reply
    1. nijam

      My thoughts when i read that shit :-)

      November 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm Reply
    2. flatterpillo

      yeah, as i mentioned after linking it, it did place goonswarm on the wrong side (goonswarm was neutral, just targetting n3 more then sw)

      November 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
      1. heh.....

        Well then assuming they were neutral,(which they were not) it wasn’t even numbers….. You linked something with incorrect stats, and used those stats(knowing they were incorrect) as proof to back up a claim that numbers were even.

        Do you not see how that is reporting misinformation, and why I am laughing at how stupid it was to claim something like that? The fact that I had to explain all of this makes me think you don’t have a clue, but perhaps you were reporting misinformation on purpose….. not really sure.

        November 2, 2013 at 10:10 pm Reply
  9. Backlash

    AS far as I can see, some of Butthurted N3 and co can not into read and count. There is no 2vs1, and no blob. Unfortunately n3 alliance do not have any skill without cap’s. l2p guys and l2l without whine

    November 2, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
    1. mercfromabove

      field was about 1320 N3, 2000+ stainwagon / CFC
      (goons were not a neutral party, they are siding with DD / -A- in this war)

      November 2, 2013 at 8:31 pm Reply
      1. Some Vet

        Just imagine if that was an assault on the CFC they would have gone “Fuck this no way am i jumping into that shit you can all bore yourselves to death”

        November 2, 2013 at 8:43 pm Reply
    2. NCdawt best dawt

      Yeah buddy, keep telling yourself that while we bang your ass out like you are a two dolla whore. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

      November 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
    3. O-O

      N3 won the isk war with around 70% efficiency while they were bravely fighting around 1000 v 2000. Yeh you are right N3 are bad and you are much better.

      November 2, 2013 at 8:36 pm Reply
      1. Duh

        isk wars wont hold the drones brotato

        November 2, 2013 at 9:07 pm Reply
        1. Guesteros

          Well Isk-Wars cost TEST Fountain, so … better luck next time trolling.

          November 2, 2013 at 9:25 pm Reply
        2. wow

          while 3/4 of your group is asleep they will reinforce all of your systems and they will be able to nuke them into the next timers before you can rep the others… guess those supers kinda do pay off huh?

          November 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm Reply
          1. Guy

            They really don’t. It’s not 2010 anymore and you can’t win a sov war without winning the subcap war first.

            November 2, 2013 at 11:45 pm
          2. chzy

            BRING BACK ZE BLAP TITANS

            November 3, 2013 at 4:30 am
          3. ahaha

            we will see how your wallets hold up after a few more fights were you each lost 2+ ships to n3 losing 1 with them having a renting empire and you having nothing.

            November 3, 2013 at 12:51 pm
          4. Guy

            I wasn’t involved in the fight and I’m not on either side. You might be right about winning subcap battles and sending DD, Solar and co broke, which is exactly what I was saying – that you have to win the subcap war to win a sov war.

            The point is that bragging about a huge super fleet is utterly meaningless when they’ve been nerfed and big fights are now going over 2000 in local.

            November 4, 2013 at 4:09 am
    4. Some Vet

      Did this guy just say “No Blob?” I suppose your right 3000 in a system is called a relatively moderate sized roaming gang right?

      November 2, 2013 at 8:44 pm Reply
    5. anonymous

      For having no skill without caps we killed as many of you as you killed of us with less numbers and we killed more isk wise unless the killboards update with a lot more losses on our side.

      November 2, 2013 at 8:47 pm Reply
    6. Lawl

      Your a retard…enough said!

      November 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm Reply
    7. Oh dear he's got the dumb!

      Your a retard, enough said…

      November 2, 2013 at 9:00 pm Reply
    8. Allahu Akbar

      Since it was topping out at just over 1000 N3/NCdot/PL forces vs 2000+ Stainwagon/ Solar/ BL./ CFC contingent that was quote “neutral” Hahahaa although they did not happen to shoot or get shot by fore mentioned & did focus on N3 side for the entirety. I’d say what’s the point of lying here, just admit cfc pile on for the easy fight, wouldn’t undock unless like here they had the odds.

      Putting cfc tradition aside, tip of the hat for N3 side of things for jumping into that pile on and coming out of it 70% efficiency.

      As is always the way with eve you can kill many more than your enemy if your decent even outnumbered like this, but end result will rarely be different the blob with significant numbers in their favour and ability to get instant reinforcements inevitably held the field in the end.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm Reply
      1. Sedulous

        Yes you see Razor specifically and rest of cfc scrubs that were there focusing on NCdot for the fight.

        November 2, 2013 at 9:13 pm Reply
    9. slip

      U mad bro.

      November 2, 2013 at 10:58 pm Reply
    10. N3 WarHQ

      Dude, go back to school and read up on math. 2000 vs 1000 says it all.

      November 3, 2013 at 8:36 am Reply
    11. lol

      CFC is blue to 80% of the map, N3 is the only entity left.

      Stop your whining.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:03 am Reply
  10. my guns were stuck repeatedly and on several targets i never knew they were even taken damage then it says its gone. lol.

    Was a brawl though.

    November 2, 2013 at 9:06 pm Reply
    1. Sigh

      I DCd 6 times black screened twice & had to spam for guns damp Webb to Engadget eventually. Missed a fair few kills, couldn’t logg in for last part of the fight. Managed to eventually logg in an moon walk away from a few fleets 20-40km away from me while our forces were withdrawing.
      I think I had it worse than you lol.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:16 pm Reply
  11. ><a1N

    So 30 minute fight took 3-5 hours. Eve at its best, long live the lag monster.

    November 2, 2013 at 9:11 pm Reply
    1. epilef

      30 minute? I think it was like 10 at most!

      November 2, 2013 at 11:50 pm Reply
    2. Simon pieman

      Terrible game design at its worst.

      November 3, 2013 at 10:22 am Reply
  12. JIeoH Mocc

    <3 the N3 commenters
    I bet the only thought they had while dropping SBUs and reinforcing structures was WINNING THE ISK WAR. GF

    November 2, 2013 at 9:15 pm Reply
    1. Northern Vet

      Mate if we get a war like we did in Vale then I will happily loose structures if I get to rape entire hordes of Russian Tengus

      November 2, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
      1. chzy

        One does not simply rape russkie raygu fleets. Winter is coming

        November 3, 2013 at 4:29 am Reply
        1. Jaime Gomes

          we did it twice already…..

          November 3, 2013 at 10:27 am Reply
          1. stainres

            You didn’t “rape” anything. You killed some while losing a battle.

            November 3, 2013 at 8:36 pm
          2. Jaime Gomes

            U dont remember when you dropped us in our titan and you got slaughtered….

            November 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    2. Jaime Gomes

      We are bored. we need to fight. doesn’t matter how much we lose/win. Blood is what makes us to log.

      November 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm Reply
    3. wow

      come with 141 prot leave with 114 how many tengu’s did you lose again? Also having to call daddy cfc and bl to save you is really funny

      November 2, 2013 at 10:49 pm Reply
      1. -A-

        Cry more son of bitch with pluses in half of map ^_^

        November 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm Reply
        1. grunt

          controlling half the map*

          November 3, 2013 at 3:30 am Reply
      2. JIeoH Mocc

        Deal with it, bhaha.
        Oh, i can see the joy in the comments after the coming battles, i really can.

        November 3, 2013 at 5:41 am Reply
        1. Simon pieman

          Doesn’t it embarrass you that your coalition is so weak you have to batphone in others to bail you out?

          November 3, 2013 at 10:25 am Reply
          1. JIeoH Mocc

            Not at all, since it doesn’t. It’s always a nice touch of tears though, hearing N3 whining about blobbing… remind me, you blobbed out SF on what ratio 3-1?
            Our coalition has already proved its worth against overcoming odds more than half a year ago, now let’s see what N3 is worth, except baiting supers and raping them with a blob. We’ve grown since then, which is a good thing because the likes of you obviously should have thought twice before SBUing our home system.

            November 3, 2013 at 10:46 am
          2. Simon pieman

            Errr I’m not in N3 I’m just a neutral seeing things with unbiased eye’s, What it looks like to me, and prolly everyone that’s not part of the blue doughnut, it looks like you sold out to goons in a bid to keep your space/win fights, that’s great if all you want to do is farm isk, but when the whole of eve is blue, then what?

            November 3, 2013 at 11:13 am
          3. speak for yourself

            Well, for a neutral and unbiased me, N3wagon and CFC both seem like different kinds of the same shit. Only the former is a bit more elitist, assholish and whiny.

            And quite frankly, you can’t expect goons to sit and watch 2 coalitions duking it out and not come crash the party. And you’d probably expect them to shoot N3 rather than solar and stainwagon. And you’d probably would’t be able to stop them from coming even if you’d wanted to.

            November 3, 2013 at 11:25 am
          4. JIeoH Mocc

            Well you’re badly informed then, since goons are not blue to us.
            They want to come and shoot N3 while we fight them? They’re welcome, i find it very amusing. They want to come and shoot us while we fight N3? They’re welcome, I’d find that amusing as well.
            I pretty sure that you won’t hear anyone from the core of -DD- shedding tears about numbers facing us. I mean 1.5 to 1 is not even an overblob, we’ve seen so much worse ratios.
            Hence the lulz, do carry on about blue doughnuts, it’s just precious to hear after facing the doughnut in the form of HBC and PL and NC. supers jumping all across EvE to … nah, not to blob us, to fight us at sportive numbers, as always.

            November 3, 2013 at 11:31 am
          5. wow

            your group hasnt fought anyone of even being note worthy. Also while fighting solar im pretty sure they had the same allies(if not more) and once n3 got rolling solar used -a-‘s blue ball idea which didnt work out for them. For a 3-4 day notice n3 pulled around 800-1000 people and was nice enough to not even use any capitals wait till they are sick of playing with you and just start taking 15 systems every few days

            November 3, 2013 at 12:49 pm
          6. JIeoH Mocc

            One can debate on the subject of “worth” of our former foes, or of the “worth” of N3, or, for that matter, the “our” “worth”.
            Time will tell, eh?

            One thing is objective enough to state: there were a lot of them, and not quite so much of us, and the reason i bring that up is because of the hillarious tears of blobbing (1.5 to 1 eh?) from N3 side.

            Also, you’d be surprised how many people don’t give a flying fuck about sov and loosing systems, as long as there’re fights. We’ve done that before.

            Let’s see how it goes on with the capitals, eh? I bet that it won’t be as easy as you think, if you’re crying out about blobbing now, guess what will happen if you field caps =) ?

            November 3, 2013 at 1:06 pm
          7. JIeoH Mocc

            yeah yeah, haven’t fought anyone worthy, and it stays true even after yesterday. Just a bunch of whiny bitches, judging by the amount of tears.

            We’ll see what happens when they field caps, i bet it will be funny either way it goes.

            November 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm
          8. Jk

            DD not fighting anyone of worth? Are you retarded? Did you just happen to miss when DD, COVEN, AAA and co. (4000-5000 dudes) were fighting HBC/Dinner coalition who had anywhere from 10-18,000 dudes. They were outnumbered 2 or 3:1 on a consistent basis. Many of those were scrubs (Tribe, TEST, Unclaimed etc.), but they also ended up fighting against solid pvp alliances like The Initiative and Raiden who had about 3,000 good pvpers. So, having 4000/5000 good pvpers fighting against 3,000 good pvpers + 10,000+ meatshield is a worthy fight against the odds.

            On top of all that, they had to deal with the occasional drop by PL and NC. whenever supers or dread fleets were formed. So rest assured, they faced considerable adversity on their way up, and every honest NC./PL pilot will express respect for that.

            November 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm
  13. -DD-

    i.imgur.com/5phLsXc.png
    Guys where did you see here 2 to 1 outnumbered? Stop fucking crying, you came to GE with war and whole your coalition and got raped, take it as it is and enjoy the process. This will be fun.

    November 2, 2013 at 9:21 pm Reply
    1. Ghost

      Confirming that (at a glance) Goons, Darkspawn, LAWN, FCON and FA (261 pilots in total) probably got a random bomb or smartbomb off on DD and -A-, and as such should be counted towards N3. Idiot.

      November 2, 2013 at 9:32 pm Reply
      1. grunt

        Darkspawn pet N3.Idiot

        November 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm Reply
      2. look

        perhaps you should check goon killboard, its not realy few random kills, goons are neutral towards all over there, just wont shoot their aliance members of course, they are on neither of those sides

        November 2, 2013 at 9:41 pm Reply
      3. -DD-

        Moron, show us where did you find N3 being outnumbered 2 to 1?
        You, stupid body, Darkspawn belongs to N3 coalition.

        November 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24116 By the end of the fight we were down more then 300 people putting our numbers <1000 and your numbers remained constant that is how you outnumbered us 2:1 at the end of the fight. As for getting raped we killed more hacs, battleships, and t3's then you did so if that is getting raped please rape us again.

          It was a good fight let's see if you can keep up a fight like that when it is not in your home system.

          November 2, 2013 at 10:01 pm Reply
          1. -DD-

            If you loose ships on the battlefield you fleet becomes smaller, yes here you are right, screenshot above was posted in the beginning of the engagement. You have lost more ships without opportunity to reship -> you have lost this battle, as simply as it is. Though have not seen anyway us outnumbering you 2 to 1.
            GF

            November 2, 2013 at 10:23 pm
          2. anonymous

            I never said we didn’t lose but claiming we got owned/raped and at no point in the battle did you outnumber us is pretty far off the mark. I guess it is too hard for Solar and -A- to admit that we can fight with subcaps.

            November 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm
    2. Dumbass lol...

      What you just linked has CFC on both sides…… are you that stupid? Or do you just think everyone else is?

      November 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm Reply
      1. Catch Me If You Can

        Either way buddy, your tears are fucking delicious…

        November 3, 2013 at 12:48 am Reply
        1. Hi

          How long did it take you to think that up?

          November 3, 2013 at 2:29 am Reply
          1. Some guy from -A-

            Who cares what the numbers were. nulli and pets started a fight and couldn’t hold the field.

            November 3, 2013 at 2:44 am
          2. Hi

            I didn’t report the numbers, or even point out that they were wrong…. lol… get a grip with reality friend.

            November 3, 2013 at 2:47 am
        2. Simon pieman

          originality, look it up.

          November 3, 2013 at 10:16 am Reply
    3. LOLOLOL

      yah and you came with 2 coalitions and bl. and actually lost the isk war

      November 2, 2013 at 10:47 pm Reply
      1. grunt
        November 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          Not only does that have your typhoon losses as kills it also has none of your t3 or hac losses. http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24116

          November 2, 2013 at 11:35 pm Reply
          1. Simon pieman

            That link doesn’t show isk lost does it?

            November 3, 2013 at 10:19 am
      2. -DD-

        We actually have not lost isk war
        http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=1197862
        Both indexes like killed ships and isk losses are in our favor :) But you can continue to calm down and convince your self that you have won this battle.

        November 3, 2013 at 12:44 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          That killboard is not complete either seeing as we have 90 typhoons on our killboard and 4 command ship kills. (not going to bother going through the rest)

          November 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm Reply
        2. anonymous

          And no one is saying that we won that battle. The only ones talking shit are you that are still trying to convince yourselves that you are far superior than the rest of us in subcaps even though with less numbers we matched you on damage done.

          November 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm Reply
          1. Jk

            It depends who you’re comparing. I consider entities like SOLAR, BL, and DD to have higher quality pilots than alliances like Nulli and the vast majority of N3 (Pangu, Nexus, Kadeshi, Darkspawn, INK, Whyso etc.). At the same time, DD and SF are roughly equal, if somewhat inferior to NC./PL who are N3’s best pilots by far, while BL is fully the equal of both NC./PL. As for AAA, I’m not really sure, I’d place them lower than SF, DD, BL, NC. and PL and put them roughly on par with Nulli. On the whole, quality-wise, a larger proportion of SW is of the high pvp calibre than N3 (N3 is pretty huge, many mediocre alliances like Darkspawn, Whyso etc.).

            November 3, 2013 at 6:46 pm
      3. Jk

        “2 coalitions and bl.”? Do you seriously count the 100-120 man RAZOR Zealot fleet and the 100 man shits’n giggles Harpy fleet by Goons (+50 random CFC duders in bombers etc.) a CFC coalition fleet? That’s pretty retarded. Out of the 1500-2000 people involved on SW’s side in this fight, CFC forces contributed maybe 250-300 dudes at most, that’s a pretty insignificant 15% bud. You can hardly call 250-300 duders from CFC a coalition level response/fleet.

        Also, it would take RAZOR, BL and SF (about 7800 dudes) to join SW just to come close to the numbers N3 can put on the field, otherwise, N3 has a huge numerical (and ISK and supers) advantage over traditional SW forces: DD, AAA, Coven, DARKNESS, plus smaller alliances (Legio, STUDS etc.) = 9000-9500 dudes in SW coalition. N3’s got: NC., PL, Nulli, Whyso, INK, Darkspawn, The Kadeshi, Pangu, Nexus, RANE, Fraternity, Just Passing By, Spaceship Samurai, Beacon Light Alliance, HUN Reloaded, Moon Tribe, EON, Mildly Intoxicated, East India Co., COW, Caladrius, Ex Cinere, Trifectas and Insidious = 32,000. Even if only half of those alliances are active in N3’s war against SW, N3 would still match or slightly outnumber SW+SF/BL/RAZOR. Also, most of the alliances I listed under N3 were there for the fight last night, so it seems nearly the full 30,000 ARE participating. So please, don’t bitch to anyone about getting “blobbed.” If you end up in that situation, if you can’t fill fleets with angry nurds when you outnumber your enemy at least 2 or 3:1, then it’s your fault.

        November 3, 2013 at 6:39 pm Reply
    4. Non-biasd
      November 3, 2013 at 12:55 pm Reply
    5. Goat
      November 3, 2013 at 1:14 pm Reply
    6. Andy Capp
      November 4, 2013 at 2:39 am Reply
  14. Static
    November 2, 2013 at 9:40 pm Reply
    1. Mike

      Razor on one side, goons on the other….. seems legit….

      November 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm Reply
    2. Jaime Gomes

      Suddenly n3 blue goons :D

      November 2, 2013 at 10:37 pm Reply
    3. lol

      yah tthose numbers are way off you are putting 200 cfc on n3 side ? LOL

      November 2, 2013 at 10:46 pm Reply
      1. MEN.

        Based on who fired on DTF forces

        November 3, 2013 at 4:07 am Reply
        1. Komolov

          No, it is automatic local count division. Based on standings. You clearly can see it to the right. Amount of blues, amount of non blues.

          November 3, 2013 at 9:29 am Reply
          1. MEN.

            Which coincidentally coincides with who shot us.

            November 3, 2013 at 11:47 am
          2. wow

            wrong. i assure you cfc isnt bluet o n3 so you sir are wrong

            November 3, 2013 at 12:44 pm
          3. Komolov

            I’m not wrong. It is you who is not bright enough. Read carefully everything in the right upper corner. Probalby you’re smart enough to figure out whose POV is that.

            November 3, 2013 at 2:35 pm
        2. Ghost

          Yup, CFC truly is neutral to SOLAR.
          That’s why SOLAR, -DD-, -A- and BL just rageformed 600+ dudes when our 120-ish foxcats entered a system with 75 or so CFC under Vee…

          November 3, 2013 at 5:49 pm Reply
          1. -A- grunt

            I don’t understand how NCDot could possibly group all our coalitions together and somehow discount the 300-400 people the other alliances in your coalition formed up.

            Holy shit you are truly horrible.

            NC. is shit.

            November 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm
          2. Goon hater

            LMFAO -A- Are nothing but a bunch of shit house lets evac to staine shit house russian cunts, always have bin and always will be.

            November 3, 2013 at 9:50 pm
    4. Olafur Grimsson

      This is really a bad graph… RA + Goons + FA + Lawn… are not N3 just wanted to point that out.

      November 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm Reply
    5. Too much static

      Because a picture or graph can never be wrong.

      November 3, 2013 at 6:18 am Reply
    6. heh

      Elite FA fighting for NCdot.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:05 am Reply
  15. Komolov

    When i got primaried i had enough time to convo guys in fleet which was shooting me and politely discuss without any haste their mistake about calling me primary. :) TiDi 0.0001%

    November 2, 2013 at 9:49 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      This was funny, what a terrible state this game is in.

      November 3, 2013 at 10:20 am Reply
  16. Bye, bye

    PL seem useless now adays. 1500+ dude PvP alliance can’t field more then 90? If those 90 dudes could manage to do anything I wouldn’t even care, but they did nothing but die to Solar T3’s…..

    November 2, 2013 at 10:28 pm Reply
    1. NC>

      PL is useless until they come to a system near you. Then you will be crying like the bitch you are when they bring down the pain on your half-brained skull. Trust me, they are a giant that you do NOT want to awaken.

      November 3, 2013 at 2:33 am Reply
      1. Bye, bye

        lol… They flex to alliances that can’t defend themselves, and anyone that is competent(like Solar) they welp to.

        November 3, 2013 at 2:38 am Reply
        1. Simon pieman

          Like SOLAR? are you for real?

          November 3, 2013 at 10:15 am Reply
          1. Jerry

            Simon if you think Solar is incompetent then you are perhaps the dumbest motherfucker to post on this topic…. grats motherfucker.

            November 3, 2013 at 5:49 pm
      2. PangassusLegion

        Lol, this exactly what they said about Test rofl

        November 3, 2013 at 3:59 am Reply
        1. heh

          ehh but he’s gotta point. They are a super alliance. That’s where they tend to be best. So they aren’t going to be the best t3 ships, or the best battleships. They are just good at using supers and titans, and have a ton of them. And they are sneaky about it. What they’d probably do is just hire people to ninja SBU everywhere, and then start reinforcing things in random order to screw with you. It’s kind of a wuss move, but it works.

          November 3, 2013 at 2:11 pm Reply
          1. PangassusLegion

            You see, i can remember the “VFK by…” of wich they were also part, just to see them running away because loosing wasn’t fun. They somewhat of a legend, i must admit. Todays war can’t be resolved by supercap blobbing, sadly for their age in game, and lost skill to fight. There’s much to prove, and lately they pretty lack on it. Would really like to see someone deploying on their renters, just to cut their food. And i can see CFC doing it in maximum 2 years. If not sooner. Will have a real good time to see old neckbeard tears flow. NC does not matter, in this ecuation. Not anymore. Yeah, there will be a lot of loud amends ans “pro” speechs. Not relevant.

            November 3, 2013 at 2:46 pm
          2. heh

            yeah like I said I don’t think they will engage non cap fleets head on in this. They are going to try to make Stain Wagon back pedal to random timers if they are smart about it I think. It would make more sense with what they can do. They can reinforce things in mere minutes when they feel like it. So I don’t see why they wouldn’t go that route. It’s like the same reason NC. and PL left the first time in fountain, they had to refix their rental sov back home when it got messed with during the war.

            November 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm
      3. BattoRem is a retard

        Just remember ncdot is the new supercap dominant force in eve now ;)

        November 4, 2013 at 9:42 am Reply
  17. Errant

    N3 attacks our home system and then acts all butthurt because we had more numbers than them. Are they really that stupid?

    November 2, 2013 at 11:53 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      Not butthurt about the numbers but the amount of denial on your side about outnumbering us is insane. Newsflash: We can fight with subcaps too.

      November 3, 2013 at 12:22 am Reply
    2. N3 WarHQ

      Letting SOLAR deploy to KDF- and bluing them was a act war and -DD- leadership knew that. -DD- leadership felt that they needed a war and has been planning this for some time now. So don’t go all “We only defended our self” bullshit. Unlike coward Russians we don’t sit around and wait until we can find a chance to stab our enemy’s in the back because we are to coward to face them.

      November 3, 2013 at 8:33 am Reply
  18. Catch Me If You Can

    So many butthurt comments about us outnumbering N3…but quite frankly, that is what happens when you try to fuck over every single entity ingame you twats….

    November 3, 2013 at 12:52 am Reply
    1. Devore

      Well, when you attack someone’s home systems, bring max dudes, or STFU.

      November 3, 2013 at 3:16 am Reply
    2. Kweetniet

      bot is angry it seems.

      November 3, 2013 at 10:03 am Reply
    3. I smell something

      Fuck over every single enemy .. hmmm … i can swear i have heard this statement before,

      ohh, CFC propaganda is using same propaganda used on -A- ..

      dude if u are happy with ur so called coalition.. stay north and keep on ratting

      the culture of Solar/-A- / PL and N3 will never be understood with ur “buy my wins” mind

      November 3, 2013 at 4:36 pm Reply
    4. Johnny Huginn

      Solution to your e-anger – girlfriend/inflatable doll

      November 3, 2013 at 4:43 pm Reply
    5. lol

      You blued every entity.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:05 am Reply
  19. Billbo

    RaWrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    November 3, 2013 at 3:22 am Reply
  20. JIeoH Mocc

    Just one thing before i go to the killboards and actually count the numbers on both (three?) sides… After having the questionable honour of fighting HBC for a few months in Stain and surroundings, I doubt that you’ll find any -DD- grunt that will call 2vs1 ratio a BLOB. Well maybe someone new. 2vs1 is completely doable and reasonable.

    I see that N3 are a bit more tender though… Oh well they’ll get used to it.

    November 3, 2013 at 5:44 am Reply
  21. heh

    PL is going to back out. Rest of CFC will join when they feel n3 has expended enough resources that victory is inevitable. Soon it will be trying to rent out null when theres more systems then players in the game, and people will realize that it’s a terrible idea to do that. Game restarts back at 0 when the rental bubble collapses.

    November 3, 2013 at 6:59 am Reply
  22. Hulk

    N3 attack is just a warning for DoD. N3 does not want more SOV.

    November 3, 2013 at 7:57 am Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      They can pass on their SOV if they don’t want it anymore.

      November 3, 2013 at 8:51 am Reply
      1. Hulk

        Learn to read.

        November 3, 2013 at 9:08 am Reply
        1. JIeoH Mocc

          google ‘sarcasm’ . I would call it ‘an attempt of a warning’ , if you want to be precise.

          November 3, 2013 at 9:10 am Reply
    2. Devore

      A warning about what? That if you bring people to defend, N3 will take their fleet of 1000 home and cry about blobs on the forums?

      November 4, 2013 at 12:06 am Reply
  23. Ms Pipa

    “rest of N3 alliances in a maelstrom fleet”. Well those 200+ Maelstorms you saw, was only The Unthinkables and Darkspawn, 2 alliances that are blue to N3 but not a part of it! Woooooshhh.

    November 3, 2013 at 9:36 am Reply
    1. Just Saying

      The Unthinkables = The Unreliables. they are a shadow of their former selves. When the going gets tough. The INK start care bearing lol. They went from awesome Tengu fleets to shit talwar fleets lol. Sorry INK, just telling it like it is lol.

      My point is that i doubt that N3 can count on INK for little more than KM whoring.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:58 am Reply
      1. Ms Pipa

        While you are completely wrong and you seem do not look at killboards or you do not know what a killboard is, the 4 lines you wrote are out of topic here. I was commenting about “rest of N3 alliances in a maelstrom fleet” that is wrong.

        November 4, 2013 at 10:43 am Reply
      2. Kweetniet

        We never hear of them being on the battlefield unless it’s a scout forwarding intel to our FC that INK has been whiped in some dumb engagement. FC says ‘lol’ and goes back to target calling or sorting out valuable intel.

        November 4, 2013 at 12:54 pm Reply
        1. N3 Dude

          Dude, he speaks about INK not Nulli. I can tell one, two, 8 times that INK loose a major fight, can’t tell the same about Nulli. Except if you are trolling lol. From what I remember Nulli get whiped everytime on the field with the retarded ships they fly (MOA anyone xaxa).

          November 4, 2013 at 1:19 pm Reply
  24. JIeoH Mocc

    Solar Fleet killboard seems to provide the best picture for that fight, so far.

    http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/index.php?op=related&name=1197862

    November 3, 2013 at 12:00 pm Reply
    1. cake

      they always seem to have their boards sorted

      November 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm Reply
  25. heh

    Although I gotta say, what happens when N3 coalition is gone, and all you have are 2 coalitions… I’m at the end it will be down to one, and then you have all this extra space. You might think, easy, just rent it out, but you know theres more space than there are corporations and alliances to fill that role.

    Someone has to come back whether by force or by the fact of wtf can you do when renting prices drop do to lack of demand. I think we are approaching an end of an area where if too much power is in the hands of the few, the economy is going to become stagnant and prices will fall dramatically. I’m not too worried about it, as I know whatever its just a game, but when you think about it, rental empires only really work when theres enough people to fill the space you available.

    So what do you guys think will happen? I can imagine 2 possibilities.

    1. (I don’t think this will happen but its possible) If for example CFC has the blue donut finally, and they realize renting is not lucrative due to too much space for the pilots available to fill them, they will have to come to a harsh reality of the coalition itself fracturing off and fighting each other creating more coalitions.

    2. If step 1 happens but instead, CFC decides that every alliance purge the weak and the useless so they have a chance to form their own coalitions. Then its always Pros vs the weak and the weak will have their area, and while they know CFC won’t take their sov due to economic reasons, they also know they will never be as powerful and stomped just enough to keep them in number 2. (This I do think will happen)

    If step one happens, the game has a chance to stay alive… but if step 2 happens, people will just quit and the game is done.

    Who knows though, maybe people high up have a plan of splitting things up and fighting each other once they do win as a coalition themselves. One thing I do know though, 1 or 2 coalitions having a rental empire will not work as it requires enough pilots for all that space.

    If they need to force people to come from w-space or empire it will not work either. Especially if you try to suicide gank people into coming to null. If empire is bad, they will think null is even worse. W-Space people at least just by game mechanics designed to create a 300 situation to win their fights if they prepare well enough. Although even then since W-space itself isn’t self-sustaining and requires logistics, that can be an issue as well.

    Personally I never really took a thought to realize and predict what would happen in a nullsec end game scenario. What about you guys?

    November 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm Reply
    1. chzy

      If N3 were to lose all sov, the parties that gain all the sov would also gain all the corps that used to live in said sov. Rivalries will begin and eventually some alliance CEO will say to the other alliance CEO’s girlfriend that they are psychotic dumb bitch and then war.
      Basically one party will never own eve nullsec, because the smaller parties will just band together and take down the big party. First came Bob (and all their attempts to recreate Bob), then came Goonswarm , and then N3 tried (but failed), who knows who is next?

      November 3, 2013 at 6:55 pm Reply
    2. Yeah

      Uhh, one coalition when N3 is gone.

      CFC blued everyone else.

      November 4, 2013 at 3:07 am Reply
  26. Kassasis Dakkstromri

    Thanks for the reporting – but could really use time stamps!

    November 3, 2013 at 5:09 pm Reply
  27. Jaramulkka

    Since the major engagement in GE, there have been numerous smaller engagements in the

    surrounding Curse, Catch and Immensea regions between SW+CO & N3, here’s a brief summary:

    *dead capsules don’t count as ships killed

    1. B-3QPD, Catch, 0730-0800: 70 mostly DD in rail Tengu vs. 80 mostly Nulli in Ishtars. DD losses minimal, mostly support, Huginns, and a single Tengu = 10 ships/2 billion ISK. Nulli losses also minimal, mostly support Celestis’, Exequror’s and a few Ishtars = 25 ships/3 billion ISK. Result: DD victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24195
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20310429

    2. KDF-GY, Catch, 2230-2300: 100 SOLAR in HM Tengus vs. 50 Nexus in arty Muninn/Ruptures: SOLAR losses minimal, mostly DICs and some support = 15 ships/1 billion ISK. Nexus losses significant, about 75% of the fleet including the core = 40 ships/4 billion ISK. Result: SOLAR victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24196
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20323738

    3. KW-I6T, Catch: 0330-0400: 150 SW+CO, mostly BL and AAA in Maels and rail Tengus vs. 90 N3, mostly Nulli+assortment of friends in Prophecy fleet. SW+CO fleet losses minimal, mostly Scimis+support = 20 ships/3 billion ISK. N3 losses significant, about 55% of the fleet including the core = 50 ships/5 billion ISK. Result: SW+CO victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24197
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20308434

    4. H-RXNZ, Immensea, 1600: 210 SOLAR in HM Tengu vs. 30 NC. in arty Tornado. SOLAR losses minimal, 2 support ships/0 ISK. NC. losses catastrophic, entire fleet = 30 ships/5 billion ISK. Result: SOLAR victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24199
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20315287

    5. Doril, Curse, 1310: 35 RAZOR Muninns vs. 75 N3, mostly NC. and Nulli in Cynabals and kitchen sink roaming fleet. RAZOR losses significant including most of the Muninn fleet = 20 ships/3 billion ISK. Nulli/NC. losses minimal, just DICs = 5 ships/0 ISK. Result: NC./Nulli victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24201
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20312686

    6. And then the BIG one. Doril, Curse, 2050-2210: 730 SW+CO with 250 RAZOR in Oracles/Zealots, 160 BL in rail Tengus/large bomber wing, 100 DD in rail Tengus, 60 AAA in Tengus, 60 SOLAR in HM Tengus, and friends vs. 850 N3 with 250 Nulli in Ishtars/large bomber wing, 180 NC. in arty Maels, 150 Insidious in rail Brutix, 110 PL in carriers, and friends. There was also a minor CFC bomber fleet of about 35, mostly Goons; they ended up getting destroyed by BL. SW+CO losses were minimal, mostly DICs, some support and a few Oracles, core of the fleet remained intact = 125 ships lost/~10 billion ISK (eve-kill assigns Nulli deaths to SW+CO side inflating their ISK losses to 22 billion ISK which is inaccurate). N3 losses were moderate, Brutix fleet was wiped out by an epic BL bombing run, bomber wing was decimated, but the core of Maels/Ishtars and Carriers suffered minimal losses, about 20 Ishtars, 15 Maels and 2 carriers = 250 ships lost/~45 billion ISK. Result: SW+CO victorious.

    http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=24200
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20322808

    So, the overall pattern has been: 1) SW+CO are consistently roaming in larger fleets than N3 so far; with 30,000 people in N3, could there be a crisis of participation? 2) SW+CO are winning the majority of engagements, partially due to outnumbering the enemy, but even when outnumbered themselves are showing strong performance 3) bomber wings are very popular and significant in the fights so far, especially the major ones 4) Tengus are performing well in fleets fights while Ishtars are not 5) SW+CO are shooting BOTH N3 and CFC whenever the opportunity arises, indicating no coalition-level partnership.

    November 4, 2013 at 2:07 am Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      Great Scotch, a good report is it? Not sure i can identify one when i see one anymore.
      Thanks for the effort.

      November 4, 2013 at 6:11 am Reply
    2. u sir need to be a reporter!

      November 4, 2013 at 8:21 am Reply
    3. -DD-

      Great summary m8! Thanks.

      November 4, 2013 at 9:34 am Reply
    4. Some N3 dude

      “With 30,000 people in N3, could there be a crisis of participation?”
      Could be! A lot of dudes are simply not logging in. I suspect a lot have quit playing Eve. Other coalitions might be suffering from the same thing but, after the Fountain defeat, the moral was not very high in N3 so we could be suffering from this more then the others. This is just a feeling but, I am starting to think that a combine attack of SF+BL+Stainwagon and CFC would easily wipe us out of 0.0!

      November 4, 2013 at 4:21 pm Reply
      1. Random bitter scrub.

        Personally not quit, my characters are training just no real reason to play since it is always blob fights now a days. So my character and my sc will stay put. I suspect there are more than a few people like me.

        November 4, 2013 at 4:54 pm Reply
  28. Andy Capp
    November 4, 2013 at 2:40 am Reply
  29. loll

    ITT: 100k+ CFC blob vs N3

    November 4, 2013 at 3:02 am Reply
  30. Always a Pro

    It’s the down side of EvE. Weaker players get tired of loosing badly in equal fights so they gang up and blob the more skilled players. I will always want to be in a smaller skilled group then in a larger unskilled group and when N3 is gone will cary on doing that. Next will be FCC v stain wagon and then CFC will hold all null sec. Not because they are good or played well but because their leaders don’t like EvE at all and just play to Rmt Isk.

    November 4, 2013 at 6:46 am Reply
    1. oh the irony

      http://eve-dingo.com/coalition.php

      I wonder if 15K combined members of SW+SOLAR+BL are more than 21K members of N3 alone.

      November 4, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
    2. Drama Dalai Lama

      wouldn’t call a coalition whose primary doctrine is deploy-drones-assign-to-fc ishtars/domis a skilled bunch

      November 4, 2013 at 12:46 pm Reply
  31. bitter vet dot

    OMFG FFS . soo much useles talk about who is crying more , just do a damn br doc , soo we will see who lost what , to many forums warrios this days

    November 4, 2013 at 8:11 am Reply
  32. Moooo

    And those who forget: -A- is still shit.

    November 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm Reply
    1. stainres

      And yet they dumpster Nulli almost daily.

      November 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm Reply
  33. SW grunt

    Seems to me NC attacked SW in GE, so for an alliance that was formed to kill CFC I think they went the wrong direction.

    November 4, 2013 at 1:37 pm Reply
    1. Random Scrub

      Mate, nulli said the coalition was formed to fight the CFC. NC. Has been around far longer that that nonsense.

      November 4, 2013 at 4:50 pm Reply
  34. Apollo
    November 7, 2013 at 9:04 am Reply

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