A lot has been said within the last 24 hours concerning Black Legion’s spectacular disaster at FR-B1H concerning specifics of what happened. This will not be one of those articles, instead it will be an article concerning possible reasons why it happened and what it may mean for the future.

First off I want to note that Black Legion’s loss here does not make them any les capable than they were last week. They’re still more capable than 95 percent of the entities out there with the remaining 5 percent’s order being left up to planetary alignment, stars, and who made the better blood sacrifice to the gods. What their loss does mean however is that Pandemic Legion is not the down and out old dog some had suggested after the Fountain campaign and their loss of a Revenant among other caps to Black Legion. Both entities are huge power houses with exceptional commanders bringing the Eve world entertaining results. Last night was just one of many wonderful battles to come.

Black Legion’s refusal to play the political game may have earned them more trouble than it is worth however. Since their break with Dotbros (NCdot, Nulli Secunda etc) the forerunner of the N3 Coalition, Black Legion has lead a devil may care life in respects to the other major 0.0 entities. What created the rift between the Dotbros, an entity which was quite capably fending off the CFC invasion of Tribute? Some say it was the Falcon incident when someon in BL shot a Falcon alt of Vince Draken. Some would also include the role of Wicked Princess in the event. Whatever the case may be, Dotbros lost an invaluable ally in their resistance against the CFC in Tribute, and the defense soon folded.

Black Legion took to NPC Venal to harrass and become the boogieman of the north. When Mittani tucked his little bees to bed, there would be terrible scary stories of the mean ol Black Legion a-comin to take your cap ships and moons away. When the war in Fountain broke out between the HBC (TEST, Tribal, and nobody else worth mentioning) and the CFC, the latter offered to pay Black Legion off. Due to the rift between BL and NCdot, this wasn’t exactly a difficult choice to make and N3’s half assed attempt at holding up a bloated and half leaderless TEST Alliance did little to ward off the organized methodical grinding machine that is the CFC. Whoops, there goes the west.

All throughout and since then there has been a stronger and stronger rivalry between Pandemic Legion and Black Legion. The former is a veteran of many wars, supercap super power, and winner of several alliance tournaments. The latter is the new kid on the block. Perhaps that is not too fair to say since Black Legion has been around for a few years, but their defense of Tribute is what really shined a light on their capabilities.Not riding around with the fat stack of Titans that PL has, they opted instead to assemble a fairly capable Dreadnaught fleet for capital ship hunting. Their role as THE premier cyno-hammer-force-of-nature alliance seemed to be completely cemented when they downed Pandemic Legion’s Revenant and several other capital ships. Since then it was only a matter of time before one of PL’s schemes would pay off..and pay off it did.

Although calm and collected on comms, one can’t help but imagine the frustration BL has to be feeling at losing some 800 billion ISK’s worth of super caps. As always the question is…well…what did you learn?

There really wasn’t much that could be done by Black Legion. Pandemic Legion alone far out numbers them in resources and has a bit of a height advantage as far as numbers go as well. Throwing NCdot into the mix, one of the “super cap sleeping giants”, along with Nulli Secunda and other N3 elements all but assured BL’s destruction at FR-B1H. But what could have been done to deal with it? Better yet, rather than ask something with the rose tinted glasses of 20/20, the proper question asked for BL should be “what can be done in the future so this does not happen?”

I have to say one thing first. Isn’t it amazing that the CFC could not mobilize any relevant response fleet to bail out their asset? Tinfoil visors down ladies and gentlemen, for the sake of giving someone at the CFC something to stroke their ego about, we can imagine this to be some super secret ploy to serve those uppity Black Legion guys some humble pie. A smoke filled shadowy deal between the CFC and N3 to maintain the status quo by crushing Black Legion and ensuring they become more managable. Perhaps this was done to cement their position as allies of the CFC.

On the other hand its probably just a case of not giving a damn. The CFC has nothing to gain by saving Black Legion. What are they going to do now? Join N3 and invade the CFC? They had everything to gain from BL being smacked around a bit. Razor was there to show us something we all already knew: that no entity within the CFC can do a single proper thing by themselves without the Goons being present. But perhaps i’m just a mean ol NCdot propagandist, you know since i’m always singing Vince’s praises right?

But back to my original question of what BL could do in the future. Well the future of Black Legion will depend on their capabilities not only on the battlefield, but in at the dipomacy table. Doesn’t matter how awesome your FC is, not even Elo can save you from that many damn titans. So if the question is to have some level of political alignment, what options are on the table.

Well if you open up your map: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png you will see that most of 0.0 space is held either by the CFC in the north, west and south west corner, or by N3 in the north east, east and south east. Then to the south right in between all of that we have an entity I like to call “Neo Stain Wagon” the smallest of the coalitions composed mostly of pissed off eastern Europeans where holding vendettas across generations is a national sport. In all of this we have a bit of a situation.

Neither N3 or the CFC can, or even want to, invade via the south. Now before I go on I know the little grunt fan boys with all their F1 expertise will somehow manage to overheat the DCU II and try to tell me that “well we don’t want anymore sov! We already own so much! We won Eve! We’re not lame like those other guys!” Truth of the matter is both sides have stated to one extent or another that they wished to do ill harm to the other entity either via punitive expedition or outright destruction.

And the issue isn’t about sov anymore, it’s about egos and power. And what do people with ego and power want? More power to grow their ego. So yeah i’m sure you’re really good at anchoring your caracal to the FC, pressing F1 at what you are told to shoot and reloading when your ammo runs out but you can bet your ass that both sides have sat down and discussed at one point or another some level of escalation with the other entity.

Now the reason they do not want to or are not able of doing that is because Neo Stain Wagon will easily automatically align with the other party shifting the balance to their newly found ally costing the offender a war and most importantly some ego. Now you may be saying that that invasion could happen in the north…hey no Neo Stain Wagon there right? Well these pissed off eastern Europeans as I said have long memories and have reason to hate both elements within N3 and the CFC. If a war goes off in the north, they will of course take the chance to strike at someone in the south drilling eastward until their neighbores speak Russian (Cache under Legion of Death) and/or west toward Delve. Or at least that’s what a competent leader would do.

So who to pick as an ally? N3 just smashed your super cap fleet up bad and of course you want revenge so that is out of question. The CFC will only tolerate you and pay you when you are useful to them. Maybe i’m just a fan for the under dog…but why not zoid…err I mean Neo-Stain Wagon? The other two entities already have strong established hierarchies and egos will clash. On the other hand, while the south is build on old relationships, the structure is new and BL could have some real political pull. With some patience we could have a third strong coalition emerging but that’s possible only IF Black Legions begins to take notice of their proper interests. Let’s hot drop X Y and Z may be fun but it’s a pretty weak narrative. When you’re trying to get the spot light it’s not so hard going out alone. Now that you’re really noticed you have to expect someone is going to get a ladder, take out a few screws and let the spot light literally fall on you. And when that happens you’re going to need entities who’s interests align with your own. The greatest skill one can acquire is the one of human interaction, and you can take that advice to go far beyond just Eve Online.

~ Seraph IX Basarab


  1. FA Pro

    “CFC can’t do a single proper thing by themselves without the Goons being present”
    Let me fix that for you – CFC is now run by FA and Goons cannot do a single proper thing without FA doing it for them.
    Get it right please.
    FA are the new leaders on the block.

    October 23, 2013 at 8:09 pm Reply
    1. Hammer

      yea,.. sure…pls tell that in VFK

      October 23, 2013 at 8:21 pm Reply
      1. Goon Grunt

        If you guys are the leaders why do you run and cry to moma goons whenever sperg squad shits on you?

        October 23, 2013 at 10:39 pm Reply
        1. Aaron

          Maybe because you’re clearly being baited by a obvious troll who has never been in CFC?

          Also what Goon comes to EN24 anyway

          October 24, 2013 at 5:21 pm Reply
    2. Booyeah

      Tell us more about those Syndicate and Providence campaigns.

      October 23, 2013 at 10:54 pm Reply
      1. M1k3y_Koontz

        And the time they deployed to Great Wildlands with razor and lost a titan.

        October 24, 2013 at 11:33 am Reply
  2. BL is shit

    Black legion is shit, always been shit and always will be shit.

    Thanks for the kms nerds, #getrekt #dunked

    October 23, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
    1. slop

      u mad bro.

      October 23, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
      1. Simon pieman

        He seems smug rather then mad, but read it and post terribly over used memes as you like.

        October 23, 2013 at 11:32 pm Reply
    2. na

      Only fecks who don’t finger jerk each other.

      October 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm Reply
  3. varesk

    you should do some research before you start typing. from reading your article i can say you know nothing about Black Legion, past or present.

    October 23, 2013 at 9:00 pm Reply
    1. N3 Fanbud

      There’s nothing much to know, except the fact that they are shit. A shit alliance on the wayne train to mount whateverest.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm Reply
  4. do to others, as youd like

    CFC? BL?

    FA says, GO F*** YOURSELVES.

    get dunked, you knew you had it coming. LET ME TELL YOU, we posted all your kills in alliance.

    Good lulz let me tell you.

    October 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm Reply
    1. GF

      it will happen only if mittani wants or not

      October 23, 2013 at 10:09 pm Reply
  5. Patrick Kilroy

    Why the fuck is Seraph still posting shit? He couldn’t hack it on the forums, so he posts here…?

    October 23, 2013 at 9:08 pm Reply
    1. yarp

      says some lost glory queer that got fingered in high school

      October 23, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      What a cute little angry man we have here. Come here little buddy i’ll hug you.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:36 pm Reply
    3. Simon pieman

      You know you could always not read it?

      October 23, 2013 at 11:43 pm Reply
  6. Nobody

    “Neither N3 or the CFC can, or even want to, invade via the south. Now before I go on I know the little grunt fan boys with all their F1 expertise will somehow manage to overheat the DCU II and try to tell me that “well we don’t want anymore sov! We already own so much! We won Eve! We’re not lame like those other guys!” Truth of the matter is both sides have stated to one extent or another that they wished to do ill harm to the other entity either via punitive expedition or outright destruction.

    And the issue isn’t about sov anymore, it’s about egos and power. And what do people with ego and power want? More power to grow their ego. So yeah i’m sure you’re really good at anchoring your caracal to the FC, pressing F1 at what you are told to shoot and reloading when your ammo runs out but you can bet your ass that both sides have sat down and discussed at one point or another some level of escalation with the other entity.”

    Little jumpy there, sport?

    I’m not sure what someone pressing F1 has to do with their ability to prognosticate, or how your, I guess, lack of F1 pressing helps yours. In any case maybe you should worry more about supporting your own arguments than trying to out-douche your impending detractors.

    October 23, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Guessing you missed the point. It’s ok. Wasn’t for you to get I suppose.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:30 pm Reply
      1. Nobody

        Your point was obscured by poor writing. Work on it.

        October 24, 2013 at 12:55 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I’d love to see your example.

          October 24, 2013 at 12:56 am Reply
  7. na

    BL don’t care about your skin hugging coalitions. 2/3 months and supers will be replaced. Its not an isk issue its the readily supply to replace them. Please note eu tz didn’t lose any. Still 80+ dreads to welp which are srp. Fuck all sides and cotinue the status quo.

    October 23, 2013 at 9:38 pm Reply
    1. BL. Grunt

      Could not have said it better myself.

      October 23, 2013 at 9:59 pm Reply
      1. Hobb3s

        Hm. Any op I go on we always GF in local despite the outcome. This battle was no exception, well, if you don’t count PL spurging ‘getrekt’ in local. Talk about e-honour! At least we have some.
        Looking forward to making PL lose even more proteus skillpoints (have you guys trained subs back up to 1 yet?)

        October 24, 2013 at 5:07 pm Reply
    2. Chris

      Isk is pixels, who cares. Supers are replacable, who cares. I think the only real thing hurt from this is BL’s (Elo’s) pride.

      It will be nice to have local a little bit quieter for a bit without all of BLs incessant smug.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm Reply
  8. na

    OP did you not read elo reddits interview “more enemies” more brawls and more tears is why I login. Best alliance I have been in. Pings for brawls @ clock and suits my shifts style. “More enemies please”. 800 more dudes to fight suits me.

    October 23, 2013 at 9:46 pm Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      It’s true. The less people you are blue to, the more people there are to shoot. Sometimes you will take in the ass, even though the point was to avoid being a blue donut rim muncher.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:35 pm Reply
  9. BigSako

    “So who to pick as an ally?” – BL does not pick allies. BL only does one-night-stands (CFC, Razor).

    October 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm Reply
    1. Chris

      And then piss off their allies when they inevitably backstab them.

      October 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm Reply
  10. ><a1N

    If you want a lesson learned out of this here is one. TIDI is what killed the BL supers and nothing more. TIDI was running at 10% with less than 1000 pilots in system. Correct me if I am wrong but the fight went for 5 hours and in real time would have lasted less than one hour. TIDI gave hundreds of pilots hours to form up and to be able to come into a system where those trapped by TIDI are at a disadvantage. Playing EVE on slow mode is definitely not enjoyable. Why have we accepted that TIDI is acceptable? It is just a workaround for the lag monster that still exists in EVE.

    October 23, 2013 at 10:10 pm Reply
    1. Gecko

      Lets point something out here the BL and Razor save BL super cap fleet would of never made it on field to see a single if TIDI wasn’t happening

      October 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm Reply
    2. Chris

      By that same logic there was plenty of time for BL to call in friends. Oh wait.

      Tidi is a mechanic. Saying what if it didn’t exist gets you nowhere. Its here, it changes fights. While it may not be the absolute best solution possible, its the best solution CCP could find at the moment. Unless you are suddenly familiar with the entirety of Eve’s underlying code, server architecture, etc. Don’t complain.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm Reply
    3. Kitty Baugh

      Oh so you’d rather have the game crash? You do realise that it’s tidi or no game right? Just look at the tracking formula, when you have that happening thousands of times every second shit gets cray cray and tranquility cannot take it so quit bitching about tidi being unacceptable and accept the game or fuck off.

      October 24, 2013 at 12:34 am Reply
    4. PK

      TIDI meant nothing-if anything it gave my opposition time to form-like the RZR “hot drop” on our midpoint that got raped.

      Nulli/NC. was on field in less than 10 min from first ping

      EMP was a few minutes after that

      PL logged in on field.

      This wasn’t some spur of the moment cowboy shit-leadership from those 3 alliances were ready and waiting with cyno chains in place and titan bridges ready to go.

      October 24, 2013 at 1:37 am Reply
    5. mr nobody

      TIDI should have saved them, if they had any friends that were interested, Goons maybe could have, they could have got a super fleet across the map in 15 minutes if they wanted, but of course they had no reason to

      October 24, 2013 at 5:11 am Reply
    6. Jaime Gomes

      Actually would have taken alot less then 1 hour………many titans only fired dd’s twice…

      October 24, 2013 at 10:55 am Reply
    7. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      If you hate the TIDI so much, then go buy CCP a bunch of servers to eliminate it. I’m quite sure they would be most grateful and online them ASAP. Hell, they would probably be so grateful they would give you a lifetime sub and name a system after you. Otherwise quit your bitching.

      October 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm Reply
  11. FA Diploma

    The reality though is that BL is a Medicare allince that has one trick only. Alighting and warping. Even FA is probably stronger fighting one v one then BL. There is at least twenty alliances in EvE who are better then them and to try and put the in the same class as the top alliances is delusional. Warping aligning and snipping is a clever trick the first few times you do it but when it is all you have, you are just noobs.

    October 23, 2013 at 10:10 pm Reply
    1. WHYSO

      “FA is probably stronger fighting one v one then BL.” you high?

      October 23, 2013 at 10:12 pm Reply
    2. Jack Nel

      lol FA becoming the biggest farmer blob

      October 23, 2013 at 10:35 pm Reply
    3. Rifter Force

      Even Test is better then FA in 1vs1, damn

      October 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm Reply
      1. FA>TEST ALL DAY



        October 23, 2013 at 10:40 pm Reply
        1. CommanGc



          October 23, 2013 at 10:58 pm Reply
          1. Aaron

            because losing a dread fleet is the worst possible thing to do ever in Eve.


            October 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm
          2. Simon pieman

            When you have to explain you are being sarcastic you are either doing it wrong or just a complete cunt, please explain which.

            October 24, 2013 at 7:11 pm
          3. Aaron

            Being that it is EN24, I am neither. The people who read comments are 9/10 morons.

            October 24, 2013 at 10:28 pm
        2. -EH- Grunt 2


          October 23, 2013 at 11:09 pm Reply
        3. Justanotherscrub

          was fa ever relevant on their own? and losing your dread fleet to elo is not relevant

          October 24, 2013 at 12:56 am Reply
        4. FW>Nullbears

          Yea, and every time a null sec bear alliance comes to low sec, LOLFW pilots throw their asses out. Bring it on scrub.

          October 24, 2013 at 3:44 am Reply
        5. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          Dude, the only reason FA holds sov is because Mittens allows it. The moment you guys stop being deemed useful by Mittens, you will be totally homeless.

          October 24, 2013 at 8:51 pm Reply
    4. Booyeah

      FA can’t even run a successful campaign in Syndicate or Providence, so tell us more about their strong fighting capability.

      October 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm Reply
      1. Titus Veridius

        They got bubbled camped in M-M/Great Wildlands 10minutes into their moving op last spring. Was funny as fuck.

        October 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm Reply
        1. Booyeah

          Bahahaha, I heard about that. FA, cream of the crop right there.

          October 24, 2013 at 5:06 pm Reply
    5. Gecko

      This man must be smoking crack FA better than BL? LOLS

      October 23, 2013 at 11:02 pm Reply
    6. BubbleBee

      The Mittani will send his regards, soon…

      October 23, 2013 at 11:07 pm Reply
    7. Imperial Citizen

      your alliance is decent crap shit, pls stop making advertisements in EN24

      October 23, 2013 at 11:19 pm Reply
    8. I-N Moon

      Bro, any N3 alliance can take you down solo if you were not in cfc.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:26 pm Reply
      1. Eve Dome

        Even Pangu, damn i love that chinese smile lol

        October 23, 2013 at 11:30 pm Reply
    9. Titus Veridius

      It tends to be a successful tact (not brawling against people that have more brawlers) when fighting entities that punch way above you in numbers. That success vs larger entities is why BL got payed off by the largest sov holding coalition in the game, and why they get contracted by Solar and others.

      It’s also why they are getting nearly as much hate as PL on the boards. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.

      Dudes sounds jelly.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:32 pm Reply
      1. Hobb3s

        We brawl PL all the time, and at close range too (less than 10km). I can remember that happening the last several times we went out in zealots to face their proteus. We usually came out on top too.

        October 24, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
      2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        Not jelly. The dude is either a troll or more likely a complete idiot.

        October 24, 2013 at 8:47 pm Reply
    10. Simon pieman

      In reality im not sure any of the CFC alliances would hold space with the backing of the rest of the CFC, they seem to all be bloated pve alliances from the outside.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:47 pm Reply
      1. Yeppin

        I agree, and the same for N3 they have never been able to go alone.

        October 24, 2013 at 2:28 am Reply
        1. N3 Guy

          ncdot could most likely. Would prob do better than any other alliance on their own along with PL and though i hate to say it goons and Solar. Nulli in there current state are getting there too, having picked up around 2000 new members in the last year they an now easily put up 150 man fleet when they need.

          October 24, 2013 at 2:49 am Reply
    11. Ghost

      Dude ya gota try better at trolling take some classes or something

      October 24, 2013 at 12:34 am Reply
    12. Really?

      Whoa! readers of this site are actually going for this weak ass troll, amazing, just amazing

      October 24, 2013 at 2:31 am Reply
      1. Aaron

        The fact that nobodies are dressing their names up as FA clearly makes us relevant.

        October 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm Reply
    13. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      Hahahahahahahhahheeheeheeheehawhawhawhawhahahaha… Great joke. the best I have heard in a long time.

      October 24, 2013 at 8:38 pm Reply
  12. YOLO

    BL. As an alliance were little help in the Dotbros war. You fail to propaganda Mittani set up for idiots in cfc to believe. BLs contribution in Dotbros war war Ipsimus and Elo as good leaders and FCs. BL as an alliance contributed very little as far as numbers went.
    Let’s say if Ipsimus and Elo had been in NCdot at the time. The Dotbros war would have been the same raping of cfc fleets up until the end. And you forget further that these 2 FCs were running a fraction of the fleets, a huge majority of victories came from Vince, Twinkey, And various other FCs in Ncdot and Nulli.
    But if we are to speak with tinfoil and pretend we are a retarded cfc grunt sure that works lawl.

    October 23, 2013 at 10:23 pm Reply
    1. Titus Veridius


      You mean providing 1/2 or more of dreads for ninja pos rf, and providing 1/3 – 1/4 of the numbers in US time zone fleets, as well as fcing nearly every US time zone fleet that BL participated in…was little help.


      Dumb dah dumb dumb dumb

      October 23, 2013 at 11:28 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        Supertwinkey led as many fleets as Elo did

        October 24, 2013 at 2:18 am Reply
        1. Titus Veridius

          Not scheduled US prime time fleets. I only remember one actual fleet, that might have been pre-announced that Twinky ran in US time zone, and that was the one where we lost an entire Rohk fleet to BS and Blap dreads, and he spent 30 minutes screaming about the dictor pilots as everyone was getting podded and waking up in their home station. (then again, that sounds like most of his fleets…the screaming part)

          October 24, 2013 at 3:52 pm Reply
      2. Percy

        Your binded by propaganda rendering you useless to true perspective upon the matter.
        Twinkey in US ran as many as Elo.
        BL would on a good day bring maybe a third of the compiled fleet, however usually the numbers of BL were meager if not a dozen.
        BL as an alliance simply can’t take credit for the doings of one person Elo.
        As we have seen time and again if Elo is nuked off field then BL run around like headless chickens.
        Why do you think Elos super was not killed first?
        So he could watch and be part of their demise every part of the way, as well as allowing BL to have some sence of reason and structure left through Elo.
        I’d say props from NCdot/PL for giving BL a chance to fight back, as there wouldn’t have been a glimpse of a fight back if Elo had gone down near the start.

        October 24, 2013 at 2:39 am Reply
        1. Titus Veridius

          I’m retyping this. The first draft had “dumb cunt” in it like twelve times.

          1. I’m not blinded by propoganda, I was actually there in the majority of Black Legions US prime time fleets for the war in the north.
          2. Every op that was posted to BL membership that happened during US prime time was ran by Elo (that I was there for, and I was there almost every night) The only super twinky fleets that I flew in during US prime time were fleets that were not scheduled, where shit went down and we piled onto Nc. coms and fleet. Basically what this says is that if it wasn’t a last minute thing, Elo was fcing it during US prime time. There is really nothing else that needs to be said about that.
          3. BL as an alliance can take credit for what BL does. The alliance was created, de facto, to support Elo’s fcing, but that doesn’t mean it’s membership, who largely joined BL to fly for Elo, doesn’t meet a standard that is far above most pvp organizations in Eve, and some deal of credit is due for that, regardless of whether they have one primary FC, or 2 , or 100. You can’t do what that alliance does with an extensive, skilled, and dedicated team of people turning the wheels; spies, IT, logistics, bosons that herd the cats, all of it. That stuff doesn’t just materialize out of nowhere. The difference between BL and and any shit pvp alliance is about 1-3%, roughly the DNA difference between Chimpanzees and Humans.
          4. The phenomenon of BL being ineffective without Elo is not a consequence of a lack of talent, or a potential pool of FCs in BL. Its a direct result of what happens when one extremely successful FC runs every major op. Replacement FCs are rusty, get no practice, and get into a habit of doing what they are told. This is a fact of life in any corp of this nature. Their greatness goes hand in hand with their doom, so to speak. Your not any type of genius for pointing this out, and its not a failing its just a fact of structure.

          Black Legion gives the Dick to a lot of people, and this week it took the dick. Big fucking deal.

          You sound really jelly tbh. Spiteful even. Did a Munin gang rape you when you were young?

          October 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm Reply
          1. Titus Veridius

            does without*

            October 24, 2013 at 3:49 pm
          2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Methinks you are a chimp.

            October 24, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    2. Wonder

      When was the last time NCDOT won anything on their own? Serious question.

      October 24, 2013 at 2:26 am Reply
      1. Thick

        Same comment could be made for Yes BL CFC Neo Stain Wagon block.
        And I’ll tell you why, if it was not obvious enough already.
        BL. Only ganks almost gauranteed targets on their own, if there’s a slight chance of them getting countered then they would only Engadget with cfc/solar/Neo stain wagon on their side.
        More commonly still BL. Just waits for a lemming like cfc to start a fight and if it’s favour le for them they hot drop clear up and take credit lol. Really is nothing hard in what they do.
        Cfc is easy enough,cannot do a single thing including scratching their own arse by them selves within the blob of the rest of cfc helping.
        Neo Stain Wagon are alliances that form for fights together, and very rarely do anything separately.
        N3/PL/NCdot are groups of solo Pvp alliances realising that they have no hope by them selves anymore, hence N3s creation, so they form together to counter the bat phones and blob that is 95% of the time alwys against them.
        PL/NCdot still do there own roams. 50-100 man gangs into provi just as example on their own. The same can be said for any of thee entities, they will only doing something on their own if it’s small/ mid scale or pretty much gauranteed odds for them.
        That’s the truth.

        October 24, 2013 at 1:02 pm Reply
        1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          LEARN ENGLISH!!!! My soul is torn, my eyes are shriveling, and my head hurts… You’re killing me.

          October 24, 2013 at 8:23 pm Reply
  13. RIP

    Black Legions view of the night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzn-fzimxpU

    October 23, 2013 at 11:07 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      lol keep calm and we’ll win :) that made me chuckle, calm and collected throughout, I’m unsure if its the realization of impending doom or the guys really that chill, him saying keep calm every couple of minutes sounds more like he’s trying to convince himself to more then anything.

      Either way, props to PL for the gank and for BL for taking the bait, making Nullsec a little less boring and giving people something to talk about.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:42 pm Reply
      1. Aaron

        “They have x Titans and x Supercarriers”

        “Yeah they have a few more than us..”

        Made me lol.

        From the soundcloud. No idea if its on the youtube.

        October 24, 2013 at 9:51 am Reply
  14. Chris

    Christ, talk about long winded. Please, if you’re going to write articles, try making them a little bit more concise. You’re not fucking James315.

    October 23, 2013 at 11:09 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Reading’s tough. Thug life chose you. Heard it before. Cry else where.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:35 pm Reply
      1. Chris

        An article can be long winded. A good writer keeps his audience engaged. If a given piece takes to long to explain various information, whether it be background or directly related to the point the writer is trying to make, people will get bored.

        October 23, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          If people have short attention spans they can go read little bubble gum comic strips. Go crazy.

          October 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm Reply
          1. Chris

            Can’t even take a little criticism. That’s cool.

            October 23, 2013 at 11:56 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            There’s criticism like “oh i wish you’d have gone into the history a bit more” or “no that statement isn’t true. Here is the fact: SOURCE.” But bitching because its too long of a read just makes you look like ignorant.

            October 23, 2013 at 11:58 pm
          3. Chris

            I don’t mind long articles. Its when a good portion of the article isn’t really necessary to get the point across that I don’t like.

            October 24, 2013 at 12:00 am
          4. Seraph IX Basarab

            What parts specifically and why

            October 24, 2013 at 12:02 am
          5. Chris

            “Now before I go on I know the little grunt fan boys with all their F1 expertise will somehow manage to overheat the DCU II and try to tell me that “well we don’t want anymore sov! We already own so much! We won Eve! We’re not lame like those other guys!”

            Unnecessary, also a fallacious argument discrediting almost the entire nullsec population. (Hasty Generalization I believe)

            “I have to say one thing first. Isn’t it amazing that the CFC could not mobilize any relevant response fleet to bail out their asset? Tinfoil visors down ladies and gentlemen, for the sake of giving someone at the CFC something to stroke their ego about, we can imagine this to be some super secret ploy to serve those uppity Black Legion guys some humble pie. A smoke filled shadowy deal between the CFC and N3 to maintain the status quo by crushing Black Legion and ensuring they become more managable. Perhaps this was done to cement their position as allies of the CFC.”

            Unecessary as it is an obviously an unlikely scenario.

            Just two examples, and most of two paragraphs there.

            Basically the main issue is it seems like you’re trying to point out most of the possible arguments by other people and dismiss them, which is generally not necessary. You only need to point out the most plausible and refute those. I don’t want to read about why certain tinfoil hat arguments are wrong.

            October 24, 2013 at 12:19 am
          6. Seraph IX Basarab

            For your first example, it’s simply something that’s often an issue with articles written. You get a pile of grunt fan boys crying as if I questioned their mother’s virginity. So what if I address that?

            As for your second example, it was simply something for the reader’s consideration. Don’t want to consider it? That’s fine.

            I suppose I should say that I write articles for my own personal enjoyment, not for anyone else. If other people want to come along for the ride, good. If not, nobody is making you read anything.

            October 24, 2013 at 12:41 am
          7. Chris

            Fair Enough

            October 24, 2013 at 12:46 am
          8. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

            Seraph, quit feeding the troll. You know better than that…. shame on you.

            October 24, 2013 at 8:16 pm
  15. Orly?

    “When the war in Fountain broke out between the HBC (TEST, Tribal, and nobody else worth mentioning) and the CFC, the latter offered to pay Black Legion off.” Sorry, but when the Fountain war broke out, the HBC no longer in existence. TEST and Tribe left HBC and shortly afterwards it was dissolved. Way before Fountain.

    October 23, 2013 at 11:15 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      Well did they ever take another name? i think for ease of reading their little coalition would fall under HBC as really TEST was the foundation of the coalition, when they left it died.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:33 pm Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      Semantics. It pretty much was the HBC. If Goons, FA and Razor “left” the CFC would you tell me that Gents and execs are now CFC? Come on.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:34 pm Reply
      1. Itink

        Pretty sure N3 was there.

        October 24, 2013 at 2:23 am Reply
      2. Orly?

        The point is HBC disbanded shortly after TEST and TRIBE left the HBC (and yes, reformed as “The Dinner Coalliation”) before the invasion of Fountain. So to say the “war in Fountain broke out between the HBC and the CFC” isn’t semantics, it’s just completely inaccurate.

        October 24, 2013 at 8:20 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          TEST and Tribe without Sort Dragon’s group is just as much HBC as before. Really this is just semantics.

          October 24, 2013 at 5:00 pm Reply
  16. Dave From FA

    goons spoons who needs them
    Null sec is now a safer place and the rabid dog has just been gelded

    October 23, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
    1. Kamran JK.

      Watch out, FA talking…

      October 23, 2013 at 11:28 pm Reply
      1. Aaron

        More like pretender.

        October 24, 2013 at 9:49 am Reply
    2. Curious

      FA is happier than PL. This is weird bc i didnt see any FA on those kms.Interesting, whats going on in FA?

      October 24, 2013 at 12:05 am Reply
      1. LowSec Warrior

        BL raped FA so hard and so much. This is about being mad. They are still mad.

        October 24, 2013 at 12:07 am Reply
        1. Aaron

          Actually there was apparently around 5 FA pilots on a few KMs. I only managed to find one.

          October 24, 2013 at 9:49 am Reply
  17. navo

    I wonder; if Pl and Bl put their differences aside and joined forces, would they be able to take on the CFC and win?

    October 23, 2013 at 11:47 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      Not without the numbers of the N3 coalition, but i think the fear of using caps and the ability to strike in more then one area posed from all 3 entity’s would certainly put them to the test.

      Say N3 went from the north with BL and PL cutting there supply lines and pos network could work, with the constant fear of a super cap blob, it could work, shame it would take so much to take down one group, eve is dying.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
      1. old timer

        indeed it would be challenging.

        but don’ t underestimate CFC’ s ability at fielding thousands of players for weeks , if not months… and to my point of vue , its a winner.

        October 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
        1. Sieveboy

          This. Goons become something in Eve by whelping fleets into BoB titans and shiny Tech 2 fleets with casual indifference to the cost or the loss. In such a fight, a drawn out fight, the CFC has the experience, they would drag PL and N3 down to their level and beat them with experience.

          Plus, as the PL VFK headshot showed, there is no guarantee of victory in a lightening style war either.

          What would be certain is that it would be one mighty fight.

          October 24, 2013 at 12:22 am Reply
          1. Simon pieman

            Aye maybe, but it would certainly be interesting to see, CFC have never had a invading fleet to slow down only ever a defensive force to smash, with the losing of systems it would dent the ego and knock the confidence of the players, and when peoples head drops then they stop logging in.

            In all honesty it would prolly never happen so a pointless argument, even if it would be cool to see.

            October 24, 2013 at 5:29 am
          2. Sieveboy

            Agreed, it would be an interesting thing to behold.

            October 24, 2013 at 5:58 am
          3. Aaron

            Not strictly true, but yes they have always been the aggressors.

            October 24, 2013 at 9:48 am
          4. Aaron

            I imagine it would rely heavily on CFC numbers and baiting out PL+BL’s super/cap advantage to swarm them, but PL and BL both being pretty intelligent themselves I doubt would fall for it.

            Would make for an interesting war.

            October 24, 2013 at 9:47 am
          5. Sieveboy

            Indeed, baiting PL supers is easier said than done (except for Revenant) but surely PL also has long memories of 3 moons in VFK bubbled to all fuck and a bunch of lonesome supers looking for a way home.

            October 24, 2013 at 2:03 pm
          6. Vince Kaksen

            Now what should i understand? That PL and N3 aren’t pro enuf to keep their level?

            October 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm
          7. Sieveboy

            N3 yes, they fold like a house of cards as soon as the drama llama comes along. PL have the discipline and the tenacity, but in a scorched earth defensive war with the CFC, I would bet on the CFC.

            October 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm
        2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          You guys keep complaining about the blob. By nature of the beast, when a blob lands, it is in a huge clump.

          A 200 man SB fleet can rape this.

          Break into groups of 50, each take a direction… East, North, etc. Then do the bomb runs by squad… 10 at a time. Alternate between damage, lockbreakers, and void bombs. Keep it going as a conveyer belt with a few suicide dictors to keep bubbles on the blob so they can’t warp out. Have some cloaky haulers at a deep safe drop resupply bombs in a can at a BM.

          With a good FC, a little coordination, you get a totally fist-fucked blob.

          October 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm Reply
    2. Chris

      It would be an interesting fight.

      But at some point, it doesn’t matter how good your pilots are, or how good your doctrines are. You’re gonna get alphaed off the field with 1000 dudes shooting you.

      October 23, 2013 at 11:59 pm Reply
    3. observer

      it would never happen as the BL rentboys have already been bought off before by CFC during the fountain war and would be bought off again BL has shown they cant be trusted by anyone

      October 24, 2013 at 2:20 am Reply
  18. old timer

    i’ve been fighting maka and PK for more than two years , first in DRF , then in CFC . i really have no simpathy for them , but this trap was a master piece.

    using maka as a bait , who’s everybody likes to think he is a dumb fc , and everybody likes to make fun of , is kind of a state of the art mind fucking.

    props PK & maka !

    October 23, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
  19. AKA Black Jesus

    Nice article, BL is far from down and out, if you thinkso, your sadly mistaken

    October 24, 2013 at 12:15 am Reply
  20. -A- bro

    Great article, Seraph. As a southerner I can confirm we’ve already been working with BL extensively and even had a tengu fleet in FR- clearing tackle from the supers in an attempt to help them get out.

    The issue with BL allying us is that the only alliance in the Stainwagon with a USTZ presence is AAA, and that presence isn’t very large yet. 80 people on a good fleet op etc.

    BL being mostly US/EU would then get them sorta left out in the USTZ as our fleets wouldn’t be able to compliment theres very well given low size and the sheer USTZ size of our enemies.

    That said all TZs are slowly growing in -A- (Maka, Lee, and PK come back please luv u long time) so BL could perhaps find steady allies in us. That said brawling with them when we don’t team to dunk Maka is pretty damn fun and I’d miss it a lot.

    October 24, 2013 at 1:42 am Reply
    1. -A- bro

      I should add that M.V bros are missed too.

      2012 -A-, reassemble!

      October 24, 2013 at 2:40 am Reply
    2. awoxing bastard

      Eastern European, “-A- bro”, posts using spelling, syntax and punctuation rules, stays on topic and contributes with useful information.
      10/10 would bang.

      October 24, 2013 at 3:21 am Reply
      1. -A- bro

        Seraph is mistaken in saying the entire coalition is Eastern European. There’s a rather large AUTZ (largest in Eve I think) in AAA and I’m American. Hence why I actually flew with Maka.

        October 24, 2013 at 3:51 am Reply
        1. mr nobody

          Agree -A- has a larger aussie contingent than N3 does now.

          October 24, 2013 at 5:04 am Reply
    3. bp920091

      We wouldn’t take maka back. Ever. He’s on our permanent “Shoot before anyone else” list, and Russians hold LONG grudges…

      October 24, 2013 at 3:24 am Reply
      1. -A- bro

        Please join our FC channel.

        October 24, 2013 at 3:51 am Reply
      2. Aaron

        Invite him, then you can shoot him everytime he undocks!

        October 24, 2013 at 9:43 am Reply
    4. Fool

      Dude, your 80-90 man fleets in ustz get dunked by 50man BC fleets. They sorta need a bit of work to become more than KB ornaments.

      October 24, 2013 at 10:34 am Reply
      1. -A- bro

        Wrong. Unless you’re playing PL math and their 30 man fleets v. out 60 man one means they’re fighting outnumbered even with 100+ blues on grid with us as well.

        October 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm Reply
        1. -A- bro

          of their blues

          October 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm Reply
    5. asdf

      Please do take Maka back. He and his “you do NOT talk back to -A-” are the ESSENCE of what -A- is.

      October 24, 2013 at 4:30 pm Reply
      1. -A- bro

        It’s not a matter of us taking him back, it’s a matter of him wanting to. There are many old timers like myself that pine to have Maka, BUSA, and the MVN guys back in -A-. Some even miss MV.

        I certainly do and miss the good old days of the delve war.

        October 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
  21. Dennis the Dreamer

    But but -A- stands for aussies not angry europeans.

    October 24, 2013 at 3:00 am Reply
  22. Inigo Montoya

    BL renter Sov is in Querious near CFC. Something tells me ultimately that BL has found dealing with CFC more agreeable to those they use to fly with.

    October 24, 2013 at 3:09 am Reply
  23. Dennis the Dreamer

    With so many goons spies in dot bros, they probably knew of this trap. And only sent razor to help.

    October 24, 2013 at 3:16 am Reply
    1. Duh

      Well that last known sighting of the CFC supercap fleet was B-D in Cloud Ring, what the hell could the CFC do to help in an area where they dont have a large military presence?

      October 24, 2013 at 4:31 pm Reply
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        The fight took 4-5 hours. I have personally seen N3 Go from Fountain to Perrigan Falls in under an hour with the cap fleet. It can be done. Too bad Test & Co couldn’t hold the line for those 72 hours we took to grind the Eastern sov and get back to Fountain.

        October 24, 2013 at 7:44 pm Reply
  24. Bob from advertising

    All dots should just stomp cfc.

    October 24, 2013 at 4:19 am Reply
    1. Aaron

      Still waiting for it.

      October 24, 2013 at 9:41 am Reply
    2. Duh

      Please please please someone invade us. Please? Guys come on and invade us. I’m sick of having to deploy to conquer your asses every year.

      October 24, 2013 at 4:22 pm Reply
      1. Aaron

        I’m just sick of pussies saying “x should do x to CFC” without anyone doing it.

        October 24, 2013 at 5:15 pm Reply
  25. Duh

    Dotbros never ‘fended off’ the CFC invasion of Tribute hth. They never had a chance and they knew it. All they did was push everything into AUTZ- the tried and true strategy that lost Fountain as well.

    October 24, 2013 at 5:47 am Reply
    1. Zenoidan

      lool you cfc carebaer faggot
      It took 3 month with your blob to take tribute.
      I would shame if i were in such a noob cfc coalition

      October 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm Reply
      1. Duh

        Ah yes…not winning fast enough- how I’ve missed thee

        October 24, 2013 at 4:21 pm Reply
        1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          Correction: not whining fast enough….Just saying.

          October 24, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
      2. Duh


        October 25, 2013 at 12:29 am Reply
        1. Hobb3s

          How many of those were blue?

          October 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm Reply
    2. Chris

      So playing against your opponents weaknesses is a bad thing?

      I’ve been playing all wrong. I guess we should all warp to zero at the sun and honor brawl.

      October 25, 2013 at 12:39 am Reply
  26. “…somehow manage to overheat the DCU II…” I lol’d at that! Good one Guy ^_^

    October 24, 2013 at 5:48 am Reply
  27. JIeoH Mocc

    Anal-ytics is the only name befitting this bunch of bullshit.

    October 24, 2013 at 7:34 am Reply
    1. token office foreign guy

      ohohohohoho that’s funny cause it has the word anal in it!

      October 24, 2013 at 7:41 pm Reply
  28. Dichzor

    There’s no need for n+1 coalition, rather a need for n-2 coalitions, heh.
    other then that, nice article.

    October 24, 2013 at 8:01 am Reply
    1. Dragon Outlaw

      They should just nerf coaltions!

      October 24, 2013 at 12:03 pm Reply
      1. dichzor

        lol, fuck nerfing. Thats like asking god to fix your computer. DIY, do or die 😛

        October 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm Reply
      2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        I still say eliminate alliances from the game and make it so individuals can hold sov. That would, in the long run, create more conflict than anything else.

        October 24, 2013 at 7:27 pm Reply
  29. daniL

    What if they don’t want sov ? Yeap I sad it …

    Back in the day when NC. was removed from Tribute, the alliance attitude was “we do not want sov”. That continued for few mounts after, when they started clearing ex. AAA regions for there renters…
    Now what changed? We have NC. now big land lord, telling BL that they need to get involved in the “Politics” and the META game …
    What politics? What META Game…? Those things only exists in land lord’s mind, as tools for controlling there empires.

    So what if BL does not want to chose side?

    I like how every one thinks there way of playing the game is the BEST one and that everyone else should fallow.

    October 24, 2013 at 11:14 am Reply
  30. Bleh

    Wow he’s s wise

    October 24, 2013 at 11:39 am Reply
  31. Roderick Grey

    I don’t understand why you’d think we’d want to join a coalition after this, we’ve been droppign shit for months and months and months with growing intensity for quite some time now, on either coalition, why do we do it?

    BL doesn’t care about political alignment, sov holding or ego we just shoot spaceships until something dies, and so far thanks to our fc’s we’ve gotten pretty good at it.

    October 24, 2013 at 11:40 am Reply
    1. JIeoH Mocc

      I think that even without you meaning it, you also got some good public relations and empathy for the losses, somewhat surprising due to the harsh nature of the community.

      You’re an annoying foe to face in-grid, and a good show to watch/listen from outside.

      October 24, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
    2. Tool

      BL. As an icon is Elo and his Ego. The only element the BL. Grunts bring to anything is shit talking and their own unearned Egos, since credit is not earned for Elos work alone.
      Was said a long time ago, BL. Would fuck up if they did. Of stay small and enjoy med sized Pvp like days of old.
      Now BL. Are the young wannabe on the block, starting to get noticed by slumbering giants after one to many cheap shots.
      That is what puts you in the position of needing one entity or the other.
      However you have already shown that you are happy to be CFCs whipped dog when your being paid or things are going CFCs way. As soon as things arnt going cfc/ Provi block way as seen you turn and shot them.
      Trust in BL. No, waste of time, just a cheap trick looking to claim credit for others work.

      October 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply
      1. Roderick Grey

        did you type that with your forehead?

        October 24, 2013 at 1:08 pm Reply
        1. Aaron

          I think his point is, if they do get themselves in the shit they have few allies to call on. Not to mention everyone is then willing to punch back if they get the oppertunity.

          Personally I don’t think BL will give a fuck and continue what they’ve been doing.

          October 24, 2013 at 1:10 pm Reply
          1. PLguy

            Yes continue! Please more of this!

            October 24, 2013 at 3:10 pm
        2. Yawn

          A troll if if understanding does not wish to admin understanding.
          As per usual Rods role as high act dumb shit talker racked up another defensive yet old meme. Pathetic.

          October 24, 2013 at 5:18 pm Reply
          1. Roderick Grey

            I’m sensing a pattern here.

            October 25, 2013 at 6:20 am
        3. Simon pieman

          What a clever and witty response, well done.

          October 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm Reply
      2. Booyeah

        …… wat ……

        October 24, 2013 at 2:41 pm Reply
    3. FA Pro

      Lol delusional noobs.

      October 24, 2013 at 1:23 pm Reply
      1. Booyeah

        Says the retard who calls FA the ‘new leaders on the block’.

        October 24, 2013 at 2:31 pm Reply
        1. Aaron

          Says the retard that assumes anyone with FA in their name is actually in FA.

          October 24, 2013 at 5:12 pm Reply
          1. Booyeah

            Says the retard who doesn’t understand what an assumption is. At no point did I suggest he was in FA. But he clearly suggested FA were the ‘new leaders on the block’. Learn to tryhard, bro.

            October 24, 2013 at 6:19 pm
  32. Guest

    Good write-up Seraph! better than your last few articles.

    October 24, 2013 at 11:42 am Reply
  33. Sold

    After OP’s second bout of “Know your role and shut your mouth F1 monkey” I stopped reading.

    CFC didn’t save BL because CFC and BL are not allies. They never have been. Mittens paid off BL during to Fountain war to stop hitting them in the rear and go shoot TEST instead. With war for the South over, formal arrangements are now concluded.

    October 24, 2013 at 2:08 pm Reply
  34. U Know Who

    I don’t think the OP understands BL.

    Joining an coalition would be the very thing that kills BL. Losing an ass ton of Supers is painful but won’t change who they are.

    They enjoy the pew. They don’t enjoy the politics. They will simply dust themselves off and continue to what they do. They EXPECT to lose ships eventually. I think EVE has become so infested with diplomatic circle jerks that BL’s attitude is incomprehensible.

    October 24, 2013 at 4:17 pm Reply
    1. haha

      “Joining an coalition would be the very thing that kills BL”
      LMFAO Bl is part of the CFC

      October 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm Reply
  35. Boris

    A good read :)

    I have to say Seraph IX Basarab even you mash F1 at somepoint :-) even on your own or with bros.

    October 24, 2013 at 6:33 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I mean no disrespect to the average 0.0 grunt. By far and large many fill up fleets and do what is needed. Sometimes they join small gangs. Sometimes they do 1 v 1s. My main issue is with those guys, and every alliance has one of them, that has 200 kills under their belt every month, but they’re all from being just an F1 monkey. And then they act like they are some elite pvper when they really didn’t do much of all. Take these guys out in a small gang situation where individual pilot skill and reaction time is needed, and they fall apart like a house of cards in a hurricane.

      October 24, 2013 at 7:26 pm Reply
      1. U know who

        Incorrect. The average BL “grunt” is experienced and can think for themselves aligning, changing ammo types, holding cloak, understanding transversal, cap levels, even something as mundane as remembering to turn on your hardeners allows Elo to concentrate on more important matters. Many BL grunts can anticpate from a tactical standpoint whats going to happen next. Of course there are exceptions but they either quickly learn or burn. I’ve been in other fleets representing “PVP centric” alliances and on a comparative basis there’s far more confusion in comms and handholding from the FC? That said, it’s only my experience others may disagree.

        October 24, 2013 at 9:05 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I never addressed anything specifically to any BL grunt…

          October 24, 2013 at 9:06 pm Reply
        2. Chris

          I’m sure you lost those tengus thinking for yourself too.

          I’ve flown with elo in the past. And yes, he does hold his fleet’s hand the entire way. Most FCs who are not small gang do.

          October 24, 2013 at 9:40 pm Reply
        3. Guy

          I’ve been in BL and a small majority of them are terrible F1 mashers, the same as any other alliance. It’s got a better number of really good individual players than the average alliance (such as Harvey and co), but we’re still talking about a 1000 man alliance. You can’t get an alliance that big purely by recruiting skilled individuals.

          Elo is such a good FC because he repeats every order over and over in a calm voice, whilst being amazing at multitasking and being very aware of what’s going on almost all of the time. Saying that, he does hold his fleet’s hand the entire time. A small gang FC on the other hand will give a minimal number of directions and will tend to call you and idiot when you die.

          October 25, 2013 at 7:37 am Reply
  36. Suicide

    It’s a good theory, but it’s just not gonna happen 😛

    October 24, 2013 at 6:52 pm Reply
  37. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

    For the love of God!
    I do wish you guys would learn proper English and sentence structure before you post…. My eyes are starting to bleed and my head is aching.
    A lesson or two in spelling and vocabulary would be greatly appreciated as well. It really hurts my soul to the core to see my language so abused.

    October 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm Reply
    1. Aonus_the_blaster_maniac

      take whatever’s left of your soul and learn Elvish. so no one else would care enough to make fun of ur language.

      October 24, 2013 at 10:37 pm Reply
      1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

        How about Klingon?

        October 24, 2013 at 11:39 pm Reply
        1. Aonus_the_blaster_maniac

          too many trekkies to be involved with.. someone is going to make fun of it.

          October 25, 2013 at 12:11 am Reply
  38. Ezek Price

    Author does not understand BL.

    October 24, 2013 at 7:32 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      No I get it. No fucks given, have as many enemies as possible and try to be completely self reliant etc. And I completely respect that. Romanian history is littered with leaders that acted just like that. Vlad Tepes defeated all sorts of enemies of Romania from the Hungarians to the Turks. But eventually they ended up banding together directly or indirectly and put an end to his resistance. It didn’t matter how good of a military commander he was. You can be Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li all wrapped up into one, but get thrown in an elevator with 15 guys all carrying knives, you’re bound to get stabbed.

      All I was suggesting was that it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to be a bit more practical or situations like this will happen again and again. It’s not weakness to use more than just your pvp prowess in order to win. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

      October 24, 2013 at 7:40 pm Reply
      1. Tir Rosso

        I just want to state that you just called or related Black Legion to Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li all wrapped into one…

        October 24, 2013 at 7:52 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          No I simply said that even if you are all of those things you get to the point where it isn’t enough.

          October 24, 2013 at 8:55 pm Reply
          1. Tir Rosso

            Why can’t you just laugh and agree…I thought it was funny. Anyways, thanks for the post.

            October 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Because some idiot out there is going to run with that idea and be obnoxious about it. Sorry, no fun allowed. You need to start taking this seriously because it IS important.

            October 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm
          3. Aonus_the_blaster_maniac

            EVE: Srz Bznzz

            October 24, 2013 at 10:36 pm
          4. omgwtf

            your posting on the wrong account name dude!

            October 24, 2013 at 9:05 pm
          5. Seraph IX Basarab

            Problem reading?

            October 24, 2013 at 9:07 pm
      2. IKnowHowToFlyBombers

        You’re bad, your article is bad and you should feel bad. k thx go kill yourself now you’re a disappointment to your corp and to everyone else you’ve played eve with.

        October 24, 2013 at 8:14 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I hope you feel better because there must be something really hurting you inside if you get to the point that you tell someone to kill themselves over a video game. =/

          October 24, 2013 at 8:54 pm Reply
          1. dearlord

            are you talking to yourself?

            October 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm
          2. Simon pieman

            lol refresh the page silly

            October 24, 2013 at 10:40 pm
        2. Aonus_the_blaster_maniac

          hold on, let me call the fire department to get the broomstick out ur back end. it seems to be causing Butthurt Loligagger’s Syndrome.

          October 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm Reply
  39. wtf

    Is this a serious post? The future of BL? – just because they lost a few supers? BL dont just disband and go away like a lot of alliances do. BL are one of the top ‘real pvp’ alliances around, they remind me a little bit of Triumvirate MK1 or the old PL (PL are nowhere near the same as they used to be, they are just in for the big fights, rather than the game changers they used to be) and for that they have my respect. Elo well hes a decent guy but with a massive ego, and i do wonder if Elo wasn’t there where would BL be? Elo is and always will be the key to success of BL, if hes stop FCing then BL is doomed and that’s the problem they need to bring in more FCs like Elo.

    BL will be around for sometime don’t worry about that.

    October 25, 2013 at 9:54 am Reply
    1. Kweetniet

      The losses of that super fleet doesn’t matter to Elo, after all; as a unofficial member of the CFC their allmighty leader The Mittani is more then willing to replace all the lost supers for his close ally, Elo Knight and Wicked Prince$$, right?

      October 25, 2013 at 10:12 am Reply
      1. niet means niet

        oh, you-all-knowing-self-important sage…

        October 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm Reply
    2. Guy

      BL is very reliant on Elo, yeah. There’s a very limited number of FC’s willing to put in the hours to do regular big fleets. BL has a couple of other really good FC’s that I know of, but both of them only want to play the game casually. If Elo goes then it’s not unlikely that the alliance would go soon afterwards.

      October 25, 2013 at 10:57 am Reply
    3. FA Pro

      You guys are delusional. Your about at position number twenty on the good pvp list. Thats not trying to put you down it is just the truth. All your fleets involve sniping and aligning. Thats a one trick pony. You are going to have to prove you can fly other fleet types like the other twenty alliances ahead of you before you can move up the list. This is simlpy the truth and you guys need to have a long hard think about it.

      October 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm Reply
  40. Fartolio

    If you think BL will disband over a such loss, you stupid.
    If you believe PL scored a major victory vs. BL, you stupid.
    If you believe BL could easily beat PL, you stupid.
    If you believe PL or BL cannot replace such losses, you stupid.
    If you believe that Elo leaving BL will actually disband their alliance, you stupid.
    If you believe goons will pay for BL losses, you really stupid.
    If you believe small PvP does really matter in the big picture, and Big Dogs like BL or PL would give a fuck on your opinion, you more than stupid.
    If you believe CCP gives a fuck about small PvP, then you stupid enough to not deserve to be involved in small PvP.
    If you believe this is actually more than a game, you King for a Day. Fool for a lifetime.
    Read twice this article. Then comment.

    October 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm Reply
  41. Antar Logan

    I don’t really read evenews24 but when I do, I lol so hard. 2 Articles in and its all opinions and speculations. BL is a diff breed. They wana gank as much shit as they can so they red everyone. BL has close ties to the CFC ‘leadership’ but that means not so much when they are mercs.
    Stop writing useless articles and go post something based on actual facts thanks.

    October 29, 2013 at 5:31 am Reply
    1. hmmm

      and then BL blues the south….

      November 4, 2013 at 12:17 am Reply
  42. Lowsectravelfit

    nother nyx down

    October 30, 2013 at 3:07 pm Reply

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