The SOMER of rage continues, and has taken a somewhat ugly turn.

Suppose I have something you want: an Etana, say.(1)  I wish to sell it to you, but there’s a catch: I will only accept $1000 U.S. for it.  Let’s say you’re even willing to pay $1000 for it.  But we both know that to do so directly is RMT.  If CCP finds out about our transaction, they might very well take away your new Etana.  Neither of us wants that.  Is there a way that I can get my $1000 and you can get your Etana and it be legal within EVE Online’s TOS?  You’d think the answer would be “no”.

A new group of angry players disagrees, and they’re following SOMER Blink’s lead for the path forward: you have a raffle.

  1. Buy two GTCs.  For maximum irony points, buy them from SOMER Blink.(2)(3)
  2. Announce somewhere semi-public that you are having an Etana giveaway.  All people who want an Etana have to do is buy a GTC from you.
  3. Price one of the GTCs for one cent over your cost, and sell it to a friend who wants a GTC.  Tell your friend he is getting one Etana raffle ticket.
  4. Price the second GTC for $1000.  Sell it to the person you wish to win your Etana.  Tell this person he is receiving one thousand Etana raffle tickets.
  5. Have a raffle drawing among the 1001 raffle tickets.
  6. Announce somewhere semi-public that the second GTC buyer has won an Etana in your raffle.
  7. Conduct a trade of the Etana in Jita.

Since you gave away your Etana and there was more than one potential winner, technically by the terms of the current TOS, this is not RMT.  It’s just like any other raffle on any other EVE gambling website.  And there are no current rules for how much one can sell a GTC for out in the real world.

Think it can’t happen?  It’s already happened, and is happening.

DNSBLACK is still very angry about the SOMER Blink situation and claims to have sold– *cough*, excuse me, raffled off his main for the price of $2475 U.S.  Given the character is seven years old, he might even have made a tidy profit on the deal since 7 times 12 times $20 U.S. is $1680.  If this is a troll, it’s a mighty convincing one.  As of six hours ago, DNSBLACK is no longer in Dirt Nap Squad, a corp he formed more than six years ago not long after starting his character.

CCP Falcon notes:

Our customer support team is also in the process of reviewing this particular style of raffle to ensure it conforms with our rules and policies.

They’d better hurry.  DNSBLACK states he pocketed the money and started the character transfer… which means after downtime tonight, this is a done deal.  Very unfortunately for him, though, he included a specific reference to items of value changing hands in exchange for the character, which is verboten by the rules of the Character Bazaar.  That might give CCP an out… this time.  Rule 4 explicitly states:

The character being sold must receive the ISK for the purchase and only ISK. Characters may not be sold in exchange for items.

DNSBLACK sold for 1 ISK?  Legal.  DNSBLACK sold for 2470 “DNSBLACK credits”?  Not legal.  But this is an easy mistake to fix.

Anyway, he’s not the only one to kick off a rather unusual raffle.  Here’s a thread announcing a raffle by Shai ‘Hulud where you are guaranteed a tournament ship for $1000, or five of them for $5000.  One of them is a Vangel, unfortunately.  😉  And other players are also getting into the act, and by the time you read this might have seriously started shitting up the In-Game Events and Gatherings section of the forums.

Everyone has a price, apparently…

(1) I do not have an Etana.  But if someone wants to contract me one, I wouldn’t reject it.
(2) I can’t take credit for this joke, but I’ll let the person who can announce himself if he cares to.

(3) EDIT: 18 Oct 2013: Turns out to stay legal under the EULA, you have to buy your GTCs from CCP, not from SOMER Blink.  No irony points for you.

– Ripard Teg

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  1. lol


    October 18, 2013 at 5:30 pm Reply
  2. Billbo

    Those minutes where are you on getting CCP to proof them already ffs.

    October 18, 2013 at 5:40 pm Reply
    1. Scott Lockwood III

      Yelling at the wrong person. Take it up with CCP.

      October 18, 2013 at 8:10 pm Reply
      1. Billbo

        ugh paintchips much?

        October 18, 2013 at 8:42 pm Reply
        1. Scott Lockwood III

          You tell me. Jester can’t do shit about it. He’s done his job. Go yell at the assholes holding up the minutes. Bitching at him does no good.

          October 18, 2013 at 8:43 pm Reply
          1. Me

            Billbo just bad at trolling, but tries nevertheless. You gotta learn to just not pay attention to anything he writes, as it’s mostly irrelevent, and/or stupid.

            October 18, 2013 at 9:43 pm
  3. Vorengard

    Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about this?

    October 18, 2013 at 5:53 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman


      October 18, 2013 at 6:13 pm Reply
  4. 0.o Grunt

    it doesnt matter to CCP if they have proof or not. If they dont want it to happen they can find any reason to ban the account, or character. There are dozens of ways to skin that kitty. Kudos for the great method to sell ingame pixels for real money. CCP does RTM, why not everyone else.

    October 18, 2013 at 6:05 pm Reply
    1. Bert Yelverton

      They don’t need a “reason” to ban anything. They own the property outright they can ban you for shits and giggles if they wish.

      October 18, 2013 at 6:38 pm Reply
      1. Simon pieman

        i think that was the point he was making

        October 18, 2013 at 8:40 pm Reply
  5. CCPYitzak

    What if CCP is Somer? This would explain a great lot of things.

    October 18, 2013 at 7:02 pm Reply
  6. Jaime Gomes

    I just checked my pockets. Jacket and jeans (side and back). I am all out of fucks to give regarding this.

    October 18, 2013 at 7:09 pm Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      This made me chuckle +1 sir

      October 19, 2013 at 8:42 am Reply
  7. Curious Bingoplayer

    EDIT: 18 Oct 2013: Turns out to stay legal under the EULA, you have to buy your GTCs from CCP, not from SOMER Blink. No irony points for you. .. They’re ot buying by means of Somer though really, since somber affiliates via markeedragon, and he purchases his volumes of GTC via ccp directly .. so, at one point or another ccp’s been paid for the gtc’s… SO i wonder how this will pay out

    October 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm Reply
  8. FA Elite PvP

    DNS? I never heard of them. Must be cause i’m always ball deep in BL asshole rapin’ dur fleetz yo

    October 18, 2013 at 8:08 pm Reply

    DNSBLACK trolling CCP, what a legend!

    The MMO company best known for trolling their playerbase gets a masterclass from the MAN!

    HTFU CCP… how does it feel?

    October 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm Reply
  10. Dave From FA

    I am not sure what this has to do with the CFC owning you all?

    October 18, 2013 at 8:41 pm Reply
    1. guest

      Indeed, you are lost.

      October 18, 2013 at 10:31 pm Reply
  11. SOMER if you want

    No i dont wanna read more.
    Its all said!
    ccp supports SOMER thats a fact.
    If ccp would conflict whith that EULA…
    this EULA is with ccp and customer and NOT with ccp and ccp.
    ccp OWNS eve, not the players. its not even something very awful what they are doin’!

    and the silent majority has not problem with that.
    only Drama queens…

    October 18, 2013 at 9:06 pm Reply
  12. I hate Gambling

    Just remove all gambling sites and that kind of shit……

    October 18, 2013 at 9:44 pm Reply
  13. 2.4

    This is more Goonswarm alts trying to shit on a system they can’t benefit from nor infiltrate and scam. If they can, they would’ve done so by now and make it VERY public!

    October 18, 2013 at 10:07 pm Reply
    1. Not a Pet

      You sir, need help. I bet according to you, goons are also behind the us gvt shut down.
      Htfu. Goons are not always the big bad wolf you think they are

      October 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm Reply
      1. 2.4

        Goons are not wolves, they’re a bunch a bees trying to fuck eachother up the ass! Nothing like watching a pile of fags cry over anything that doesn’t go their way.

        October 19, 2013 at 11:30 am Reply
        1. quest

          Why would they fuck each other in the ass when your gaping butt hole is ready and waiting?
          I’m not trying to be funny or facetious. I would serious like an answer to that question.

          October 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm Reply
          1. random

            They fuck each other up the ass ever since your mom stopped taking foodstamps.

            October 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
      2. Something Awful

        Ofcourse Goons are behind the us goverment shut Down. We all know that in this serious Space game eh? Earth to capsuleer, you there?
        Anyways, goons made their reputation, scamming, cheating and exploiting, Thus you can blame goons for everything, plus its hell alot easier.

        October 19, 2013 at 5:03 pm Reply
  14. CfCk

    I said it before, DNSBlack for PRESIDANTE!

    October 19, 2013 at 12:56 am Reply
    1. Billbo

      Glenn Beck for President!

      October 19, 2013 at 4:56 pm Reply


    October 19, 2013 at 3:01 am Reply
  16. Internet Lawyer

    Welp – Turns out you cannot sell a GTC or ETC for $cash – only authorized GTC reseller may do so. Reselling a GTC for cash is a violaton of the EULA. So yes, you will get concordokened if caught.

    Sucks to be the guy who baught DNSBLack I guess.

    October 19, 2013 at 4:11 am Reply
  17. Jerrison

    I’d buy all and everything from Shai Hulud. Literally the best band ever to walk this earth. Love you Matt Fox.

    October 19, 2013 at 6:23 am Reply
  18. jack

    Reason why CCP doesn’t want you to RMT stuff is mainly because then they’d have to deal with a whole lot of real world government and international hassles. It’s not CCP being hypocrties or just being difficult about RMTing.
    If the raffle system absolves them of legal liabilities then they wont care

    October 19, 2013 at 7:23 am Reply
    1. Simon pieman

      Well of course it would massively cut into their revenue as people would simply stop buying plex if they could buy cheaper isk elsewhere, that’s not even going into the fact that 90% of the playerbase would be very much against it.

      All in all i think that’s a terrible post of yours, maybe don’t bother next time.

      October 19, 2013 at 8:45 am Reply
      1. jack

        ummmm no that’s not the biggest thing with them. If they allowed RMT they’d have to then be a government regulated currency and then that also opens other flood gates. If it’s a legal currency, they have to worry about money laundering, in game thefts could then have out of game consequences as you could have your in game profession of selling isk for real world cash be a legitimate job.

        It wouldn’t hurt their bottom line as much as you think. As PLEX would still be in demand as it’s the only thing to change into AURUM as well with their promotional events that require PLEX as entry. Not to mention that every account still has to have paid CCP in some way.

        All in all I think that’s a terrible post of yours, maybe don’t bother next time.

        October 19, 2013 at 9:29 am Reply
        1. Seraph Castillon

          I think you’d find only a very small fraction of PLEX isn’t sold for isk.

          October 19, 2013 at 10:09 am Reply
          1. Hi

            lol? What? Plex doesn’t just turn into isk. Plex is ether turned ito “Aur”, or a months sub.

            October 19, 2013 at 3:46 pm
          2. loser

            orly? and you play eve lots?

            October 19, 2013 at 4:07 pm
          3. bob

            I think he means the RMT that goes on.

            October 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm
        2. Simon pieman

          Its not a legal currency and never would be, why would them selling isk mean they would need to have it as a regulated currency? they are selling a in game item, whether its isk they sell or plex it makes no difference.

          As for arum they prolly convert the low single digits in percentage from plex to arum, its simply a system that’s hardly ever touched.

          October 19, 2013 at 11:30 am Reply
          1. Billbo

            They would want to tax the income being that it’s “Income earned”

            October 19, 2013 at 5:25 pm
  19. Kama Kairade

    My feeling is that when CCP is moments away from banning DNSBLACK, a cyno will go up.

    October 19, 2013 at 5:10 pm Reply
  20. Envision

    I knew this wasn’t over.

    October 19, 2013 at 6:33 pm Reply
  21. Glenn

    “3. Price one of the GTCs for one cent over your cost … he is getting one Etana raffle
    4. Price the second GTC for $1000. he is receiving one thousand Etana
    raffle tickets.
    5. Have a raffle drawing among the 1001 raffle tickets.”

    Im sure you PvP scrubs wont see any problems here, but the industrialists will.

    HINT: 00

    October 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm Reply
  22. jgray1979

    god who cares anymore. None of this has effected my game play in the slightest.

    October 19, 2013 at 10:06 pm Reply
    1. Guest

      And if it doesn’t concern ME, it’s irrelevant!

      Sheep like you is the reason why games fail.

      October 21, 2013 at 9:44 am Reply
      1. bob

        Yeah because EVE is going to fail because their marketing department made a ricket and gave some ships away.
        Christ it survived T20 it survived Mittani and it will survive whatever other disaster CCP come up with.

        October 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm Reply
    2. ccpsoundwavealsoknownasmitten

      lol everyone should care…. it paints a not so pretty picture of ccp… u know… those icelandic retards we pay in exchange for entertainment but all they give us is bullshit

      October 21, 2013 at 10:06 am Reply
  23. droljica

    How long will it take for ccp jews from “clever use of EULA” ’till “we say it’s bannable” ?

    October 20, 2013 at 9:09 am Reply
  24. Deifirtep

    And this raffle Somer supposedly held per the above example is factually provable how?

    October 23, 2013 at 3:11 am Reply

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