No this isn’t an article about how the CFC will take over all of 0.0 and there will be no fun to be had and the entire game will come crashing down. Instead I want you to take a few minutes and take a look at the Eve map:

I check the map out about every day or so. I like to look at maps of all kinds and see how the lines change. Keep dotlan open as you go region by region and you can learn quite a bit. What is of particular interest to me is the development of the CFC and how they have redistributed their territory among their allies and renters. The “Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere”, a name so deliciously demented and sweetly satirical that anyone from the former soviet bloc can smirk bitterly at, is the CFC’s renter alliance. Long gone are the days that renting was evil. Since the money purse in Fountain wasn’t nearly as big to sate the CFC’s appetite, and N3’s renter program netted them so much revenue, that has become excusable, accepted and encouraged.

The CFC have distributed their renters along their frontier regions that border non CFC entities such as N3 and the “Neo StainWagon Coalition.” Best case scenario, these frontier colonists act as a buffer zone for the CFC’s territory. A bit of farm and field for the enemy army to pass through before reaching the walls of true civilization. On the other hand a competent opponent will take the opportunity to strike at these renters attacking a good portion of CFC income. Of course this is all a bit speculative but what we can tell from the posture of the distribution is that the CFC is still easing into the role of rent collector. I sense a bit of distrust in the fact that they place their renters at the edge of their territory rather than closer to their base. I cannot say that I would do differently were I in their position.

Taking a glance at dotlan and NPC kills alone, Vale of the Silent and Deklein seem to be the major cash cows. Fountain’s NPC activity has gone way up while FA’s former territory only pings a few hundred NPC kills here and there. Fatal Ascension’s move to Fountain is the obvious reason for this. It is telling how close the relationship between FA and the GSF is, or rather how close the GSF wishes to keep FA. I cannot help but wonder why they were not allowed to keep their old region or even create their own renter program considering their “equal status within the CFC.” I want to say that this is a further evidence that the GSF will keep its allies only strong enough to be competent, but too weak to do anything much alone. It is a good policy to rule as the hearts of man are fickle and not even the CFC is immune to internal dissension. Had the CFC proper rivals that knew how to take advantage of this better, we may see the politics of Eve progress differently.

The developments in Querious and the gain in territory by LAWN in the south is also of note. The Initiative have swallowed up much of Querious but also share it with the likes of Solar, Walltreipers and others. Between Querious, Catch and Providence, we have some interesting possibilities, some of which are already happening. The Russians are/were fighting CVA which is being supported by N3 directly and indirectly and the parties in Querious add further possibilities to the conflict. The future goals of the CFCs are written only in rumors of punitive expeditions against N3.

For the time being it seems Eve is content with being fairly settled down awaiting the Rubicon expansion. In this time of relative peace, some have turned inward with their thoughts and consider the future of Eve as a whole. One such person is Sion Kumitomo of the Goonswarm Federation. Take a few minutes and read his article from the “other website

See how cool Riverini is? Doesn’t even care I post stuff from “those guys.” This is by far one of the best articles I can remember reading about Eve and it addresses something that affects us all regardless of our in game affiliations.

Like it or not 0.0 pvp truly is the beating heart of Eve. Without that Eve would be a crap game. And it is about time that CCP takes measure to reflect that more strongly. Everything from mission running, to mining, to building and trading, they all tie in with who is blowing up who. Without that, the whole game falls apart. It may be tough to hear and you can call me a nazi if it makes you feel better but pvp is the most important thing about Eve. Healthy pvp makes for healthy trading which makes for healthy building which makes for healthy mining and so on and so forth.

Now a common argument made, as in the article I posted, is that we must make 0.0 more profitable so that people from Empire move out to 0.0 and start conflict. Now I believe this is a partially incorrect notion. The risk adverse carebears will not leave High Sec even if the only thing to mine there is veldspar. Now you may have more high sec elements leave for 0.0 as renters therefore giving more targets/assets to attack/protect depending on which side of the fight you are on. But most importantly you take the alts of the 0.0 people out of Empire completely having them focus solely on 0.0 and in effect making the 0.0 systems worth more in the game of conflict.

I’m sure I am preaching to the choir and it has been repeated numerous times, but 0.0 must be the most valuable space to be held (at least in K-space). Mineral density, mineral variety, quality, PI, everything must be made more valuable to reward those that are willing to go out there into the wild. Giving people overwhelming incentive to go out to 0.0, such as beefing up 0.0 stations while taxing those in Empire. will create a more vibrant pvp landscape. That in turn will make for much more competative and profitable markets and impact the other pve activities that further pvp.

I would be interested to see if making 0.0 more profitable would actually cut back on the high sec suicide ganks. If the rich quality minerals are moved to 0.0, you’d only have newbros in frigs mining anything. The suicide gankers would actually have to go to 0.0 if they want to make any meaningful impact on a miner’s day. Surely even the pve guru can see an appeal in that.

But none of this can be done properly without a competent change to current sov mechanics that give the little guy a chance to go out there and make his own. Unfortunately we always hear, whatever is done to make life harder for the bigger alliances, makes life even harder for the smaller ones. To this I say, why not take a page out of the FW mechanics of today and apply it to 0.0? A while ago I wrote an article with some ideas concerning FW and while I agree a lot of it is a bit extreme so read it with a grain of salt, I think the general idea can be taken and applied.

The idea is not to make it so that numbers are not a factor, but rather that it is not the only factor. Furthermore, making it a requirement to be able to fly several different doctrines is also important. Who wouldn’t love starting off the day in an assault frig gang, moving up to battle cruisers and ending it all with some cap warfare? Goals to attain sov should be varied and the method should be just as varied too. I say that CCP’s current focus on ships is great and some nice tools have been added. I think we need to start making changes to the sov mechanics, slowly but surely and at every step ask ourselves “does this change act as a conflict driver?”

- Seraph IX Basarab

126 Comments

  1. get facts right

    -FA- wanted to leave Fade/PB and go to Fountain. Its a better space and we got offered it because of the high participation in the war.

    October 12, 2013 at 11:40 pm Reply
    1. a

      Blinded by the propganda…

      October 12, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
      1. Inigo Montoya

        Propaganda? The line-members get to see overall CFC stats during wars. -FA- was second only to goons with FCON a close third. It was a smart move to offer -FA- and LI3 (who did a good showing) space in Fountain as CFC needed a strategic presence there and they can count on those two.
        While it’s an interesting assertion to place imaginary conflict between -FA- and Goons, -FA- isn’t retarded politically like TEST turned out to be. While -FA- may want to be able to operate independently to its environment, they aren’t going to pull that gay passive-aggressive BS that Monty did last year.
        Tone down the tinfoil hat stuff a bit. It’s a good laugh but there’s just not that much drama in the CFC dudes…

        October 13, 2013 at 1:11 am Reply
        1. I LOLD

          LI3 got given a date and told have your shit out by then because we’re moving renters in.

          October 13, 2013 at 2:39 am Reply
          1. Inigo Montoya

            Everyone get’s given a date and told to have their shit out by then when space is redistributed. Not much of an argument Spencer.

            October 13, 2013 at 9:58 am
        2. FREE FCON

          FCON BEST CON NO LOVE FOR FCON, WHY NO NEW SPACE FOR FCON, BUTTFUKKIN LI3 FEDERATION GET NEW SPACE WUTTTTTT!!! BETTER TREAT FCON WIT SOME FUKKIN RESPEKT OR WE WILL START SHIT ON GHOONS, FUCK THA POLICE, WE NO TAKE THIS SHIT NO MORE. LI3= DIE3 FROM NOW ON. FA BETTA CHECK THEY SELF BE4 THEY GET CHECKED. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON LAWN= SHMAWN. THEY A NEW MASSA IN THE HOUSE FCAWN4LYFE

          October 13, 2013 at 7:41 am Reply
          1. DALAILAAAAMAAAA

            MORE RAGE

            October 13, 2013 at 9:01 am
          2. FREE FCON

            U WANT SOME TOO DALAILAAAAMMAAA I SHIT ON YOUR PEACE, FCAWN SHITS ON TIBET AND FOUNTAIN, FUCK NEPAL GHOONS FA LI4 FED. SPACE MONKEYS ARE COOL DOH, THEY NO THEY PLACE. STEP TO FCON GET PWNED OPEN INVITE TO ALL CHEFC MEMBERS, AND OUTSIDE WORLD, BRANCH 4 LYFE NIGGA REPRESENT SHOUT OUT TO MY FCON THUGS, WEE RUUUUNN THIIIISSS BBBBBB. GET RECKT, FUK YO COUCH GHOONS WE DONT NEED IT NO MO

            October 13, 2013 at 9:13 am
        3. Commander

          You are a moron. FA runs the CFC we are not second to anyone.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:24 am Reply
          1. FREE FCON

            FA U DONE FUCKED UP, MOST OF US R CIA IRL SOME EVEN NAVE SELS. REMEMBER THIS MOMENT. FCON WILL NO DOUBT FORGET IT BC U WILL BE DONESKI BROSKIE. COME UP TO BRANCH U SCARED BIATCH FAwn WOLOL, GET RECKT

            October 13, 2013 at 8:33 am
          2. Rodger Miguel

            LOL, your not FA if your dogging peeps giving props to FA douche…

            October 13, 2013 at 9:53 am
    2. Tired

      FA go where they are told, they know what is good for them.

      October 13, 2013 at 12:39 am Reply
    3. Languid

      Your so valuable that you get to uproot all your members and assets and march off to be meatshields for your owners, sound like a good deal if your a moron.

      October 13, 2013 at 12:42 am Reply
      1. Inigo Montoya

        Hey genius, he just said Fade/PB was shit space… Kind of backs up a move to r64 and Serpents rich fountain moron .

        October 13, 2013 at 1:17 am Reply
    4. Duh

      For reals. Fade and PB is shit space

      October 13, 2013 at 12:48 am Reply
    5. FA is Doggy

      Did goons put real bacon in the bowl this time???!!!

      October 13, 2013 at 7:33 am Reply
    6. Wafflebro9000

      note who is killing all the ships in Fade/PB (the aforementioned former FA space) and is killing CO2 hard right now, the reason the number of rats being killed in those systems is going down is because Waffles are on the prowl in that part of the woods, we like to mix nullsec deployments into our training schedule and CO2 is to scared to undock and do any ratting as of late.

      October 13, 2013 at 11:47 am Reply
  2. Yawn

    Sov mechanics have needed changing for a very long time. Through nerfs of ships tactics we have succumbed to an eve where CFCs superior numbers will 99% of the time win the endgame conflict.
    Not through being smart
    Not through being better skill wise
    As it’s quite the contrary there.
    But through shear numbers & through manipulation of propaganda the weak minded lazy portion of eve that likes everything on silver plater.
    Current sov mechanics & nerfs means that the smaller better skilled alliances may be able to win the majority of battles but not the end game conflict.
    Why has N3 been created, well because hunters who would normally hunt alone are forced to hunt in blobs due to the shit sov mechanics & nerfs. I can gaurantee you that Ncdot PL. Would prefer to be free of bondage among others, but the current failure of sov mechanics and manipulated nerfs means that CCP are currently failing freedom of play forcing blobs and narrow 1 sided game play.
    We have asked for changes to come a million times before, why do you think CCP will listen to the greater good of the eve community when cfc make most of their decisions.
    Why would CCP make the needed effort to sort out the real problems when it would stop them from doing stupid shit like reskins on command ships etc etc could go on for ever.
    Vets have been ignored for far too long and would say most of us do the best we can with what we have, we don’t expect CCP to make the real changes for a long time, we are accustomed to dissapointment by now…

    October 12, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
    1. imsosly

      CCP favoring goons? SHOCK!! Everytime I bring up that FACT I am ridiculed and demonized. I am curious as to what sov mechanic changes you would favor? Me personally, I would aim for completely destroying the idea of blob-warfare, caps or no caps.

      October 13, 2013 at 1:03 am Reply
      1. Oliver Stoned

        Now that CCP Soundwaffe is gone and the other known Goon influence in CCP is departing, influence over CCP will change.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:33 am Reply
        1. imsosly

          Unfortunately , the corruption is much deeper than that. CCP views Goons as some sort of asset. If they wanted to really improve the game for the rest of the playerbase, simply banning every goon ip permanently would be a great first step. But they wouldn’t do that. they are comfortable having a large bloc of players on a path that will eventually kill EvE.
          The High-sec POCO idiocy is going to be the cause of the first mass-exodus of players. I give highsec POCOs about 2-4 weeks after the ‘Winter Expansion (that falls in the middle of Autumn)” before CCP backtracks on this.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:17 am Reply
          1. arkady

            25 odd thousand paying accounts (CFC total) is kind of a big deal. CCP isn’t going to ban us.

            Also, the idea that Goons will monopolize hisec POCOs is hysterical. Aside from the fact that we don’t want your hisec POCOs (or Hisec for that matter), it’ll be impossible for any one entity to protect even a sliver of the market as you can’t force project in hisec the way you can in null.

            October 13, 2013 at 10:26 am
          2. Simon pieman

            oh dear

            October 13, 2013 at 10:28 am
          3. imsoso

            Every one daring to counter a old F1 pusher should be banned, eh? There’s cures for butthurt, even if you enjoy it. Oh, you mighty victim…

            October 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm
      2. arkady

        Oh really? So where is Goons free 20-30bill Scorpions for all the media attention we bring for shit like Burn Jita, The battle of 6-VDT, Asakai etc etc etc? Sov sucks. We know this. It’s just that Goons are the best at exploiting the current system.

        Goons also consistently try to improve the game by pointing out big fat holes that need filling. Tech needed to be nerfed. So what did the Goons do? Establish a cartel to prove how absurdly out of balance it was until it got nerfed.

        FW could be exploited, so they told CCP ahead of time what they were going to do, exploited a legitimate gap for trillions, and then FW got fixed.

        Next on the chopping block is going to be drone assist doctrines. We’ll abuse that until CCP eventually can’t ignore the fact that its a problem that needs fixing, and they’ll fix it.

        Your hate nourishes me, but I pity your narrow minded ignorance.

        October 13, 2013 at 6:16 am Reply
        1. Guy

          I’m not sure that exploiting the hell out of something until it gets nerfed is ‘improving the game’. Not that there’s anything wrong at all with Goonswarm doing this.

          Goons are going to look after their own alliance and coalition before anything else, which is great, it’s what they’re supposed to do. But don’t pretend that they do it out of some strange form of spaceship altruism.

          October 13, 2013 at 6:24 am Reply
          1. arkady

            We like this game as much as anyone else, otherwise we wouldn’t play it. That’s why we want it to be the best it can be.

            It has been proven time and again that CCP hardly ever listens to reasonable, rational debate (either through the CSM, the EVE-O forums or any other outlet).

            The only time they do anything is when we show them exactly how screwed their system is.

            Purely altruistic? No, of course not. This is EVE after all. But make no mistake; we try to improve this game in the only way we know works to influence CCP;

            abuse it till they change it.

            October 13, 2013 at 6:26 am
          2. Guy

            People will abuse broken mechanics even if Goonswarm didn’t exist at all. It happens in every game ever made. I don’t think this makes you special.

            The majority of the playerbase see more benefit from balance and quality of life patches than from issues like FW, tech, who did or didn’t get special scorpions and drone assist doctrines. Sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that Goons give a shit about very much outside of their large scale, sov based playstyle.

            October 13, 2013 at 6:40 am
        2. imsosly

          You got that right, Burn Jita 1 & 2 were shit. lol. You guys lost so much more than you gained. lol. 2 blob fleet engagements are hardly considered content for players. No, Goons do not try to improve the game. Their openly stated goal is to ruin everyone else’s experience at all costs. They have benefited time and again from CCP. How did they know where to be at just the right time? Magic? Start a cartel to teach a lesson? lol. I’m so glad we have our older brother aka Goons to teach us valuable lessons.. Have you ever been on somethingawful? Hardly a place for morals to be taught. We We WE. lol. I bet you aren’t allowed to even evemail his holiness. You have no say. You are a drone pawn and you are being raped repeatedly for the benefit of very few. Goons getting super blobs nerfed? OMG what planet are you from? Do you know that is all that they have? Infinite amounts of ISK to waste on infinite amounts of supers… thx to their ‘heads up’ on Tech.Your ignorance nourishes me. You don’t even know basic facts about those you apparently fly with. I pity your lack of self-respect.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:09 am Reply
          1. arkady

            seeing as you think we made a financial loss on Burn Jita, and that we rely on supercapital blobs for anything, I can safely conclude you know diddly squat about how we operate or why. Go on, “Grr Goons” a little more. You might even free me from my enslavement.

            October 13, 2013 at 10:30 am
          2. ButtmadDetectorBot

            Extreme buttmad detected.

            October 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm
        3. Simon pieman

          You are living in the past if you think supercaps are still OP, they have been nerfed to the point of uselessness.

          October 13, 2013 at 10:20 am Reply
          1. arkady

            I don’t think any specific supercap is overpowered. But the problem with them is that the only hard counter to a supercap fleet is a bigger supercap fleet. That needs work is all.

            October 13, 2013 at 10:32 am
          2. Simon pieman

            That used to be the case not any more, goons proved that against tests slowcat fleet when the node got turned off and saved hundreds of stranded carriers.

            The fact that supers are nigh powerless unless they also have sub cap superiority rubbishes that outdated way of thinking, the counter to a super cap fleet is easily a blob of sub caps or more supers, why do you think they were used so little in the supposed biggest war of all time?

            October 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm
          3. arkady

            because we flat out refused to drop them because the combined numbers of supers that could be fielded by PL and N3 (and Black Legion before we bought them out) would have resulted in a morale boosting victory for TEST.

            why do you think we used seige bomber fleets for structure grinds rather than dreads?

            Since we didn’t drop our caps/supers, PL/N3 didn’t because they didn’t want to get blapped either.

            October 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm
        4. Jaime Gomes

          You abuse with damping celestises. I don’t see ccp nerfing damps or creating something like a mod of implant to counter or diminish its effectiveness. Besides drone assist has its weaknesses and you have been losing domis like a motherfuker. Seems drone assit isnt that easy uhm.

          October 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm Reply
        5. Kamar Raimo

          “Tech needed to be nerfed. So what did the Goons do? Establish a cartel
          to prove how absurdly out of balance it was until it got nerfed”

          Thank you so much for your altruistic sacrifice of becoming the richest alliance in EVE for the sake of saving us all.

          Goons are Jesus!

          October 14, 2013 at 5:41 pm Reply
      3. Lol

        New high sec dreads, destroyable highsec poco’s.

        INB4 goons take over highsec

        October 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm Reply
    2. Bored Null-seccer

      Yup, I thik the HM nerf was directly for CFC benefit cause small better skilled alliances were pwning more (Tengus), and would become a threat to CFC – so they nerfed HM to savem.

      October 13, 2013 at 9:27 am Reply
  3. Javafanatic

    This article has the accuracy of a blind man trying to play darts.

    October 13, 2013 at 12:08 am Reply
    1. Guy

      What’s wrong with it, specifically?

      October 13, 2013 at 12:19 am Reply
  4. yawn

    If you make 0.0 more profitable the carebears will still stay in high sec.
    Suicide gankers in null sec are called PVPers.

    October 13, 2013 at 12:12 am Reply
    1. guess

      actualy nope, hs you think every neuts out to get you, nullsec YOU KNOW every neuts out to get you, seeing neuts appear on local hs np, seeing neuts appear on local in null = Problem.

      October 14, 2013 at 5:54 pm Reply
  5. Holy crap article Batman

    Do you have some sorting random article generator that you use for this crap, or is this really the best you can do?

    October 13, 2013 at 12:15 am Reply
    1. OPSEC Duder

      Let’s all focus on getting Goblin outta here first.

      October 13, 2013 at 5:41 am Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      Good one. Where’s your article btw?

      October 13, 2013 at 6:00 am Reply
      1. Bill Cat

        at least his comment was refreshing unlike yet another propaganda piece for “move everything of value to nullsec and shovel your subscription money each month to the Mittani”

        October 13, 2013 at 7:45 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          So in your mind my message is pro goon? Why do you think other CFC entities see it other wise? And sorry but high sec isn’t suppose to be an equal alternative to 0.0.

          October 13, 2013 at 6:00 pm Reply
          1. postdifferent

            It’s a pro “shovel more valuable shit into nullsec post” which is where the CFC makes their bucks so you are avoiding the obvious again which is who that benefit. There is no “supposed to be” just what works games wise and right now moving yet more into nullsec is making the CFC stranglehold on the game that much worse. But if you win the argument for the moment Seraph, well you actually lose because it’s getting so damn dull and ridiculous we will leave for a different game.

            October 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Within high sec lies a lot of potential for people to unify and take the fight to 0.0. I believe putting more resources in 0.0 makes for more conflict, including entities born out of high sec. There’s nothing that makes the CFC special so much so that no one else can attain that level of statesmanship.

            October 14, 2013 at 1:28 am
          3. Get on with it

            Then shut your mouth and show us the way.

            October 15, 2013 at 7:06 am
  6. Duh

    I thought this was an article about how PL, Ncdot, Nulli, TEST, Black Legion. and all non-aligned entities need to band together to crush the goon menace… wait a minute

    October 13, 2013 at 12:47 am Reply
  7. phox53

    The “Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere” in not refering to anything to do with the Soviet Union. Instead it is satire of The Greater East Asin Co-Prosperity Sphere, which Japan set up to control conqured countries during World War II. I also believe that both myanna and mittens said that same thing that it was refering to Japan. Unsure why you said it was satirical to the former Soviet Block.
    Because you got this simple and easily searchable item wrong, it made the rest article hard to read.

    October 13, 2013 at 1:00 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I didn’t say it had anything to do with the soviet bloc. I know where the joke was. I simply said that for me and other former soviet bloc nationals, the wording has such a wooden tongue that it is extremely satirical and funny. It sounds like something familiar…that’s all.

      October 13, 2013 at 3:58 am Reply
      1. phox53

        Then this must be an inside thing that simply don’t understand. I will apologize for miss reading.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm Reply
    2. Jaime Gomes

      I shit on it. Dont even need to read :DDD

      October 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm Reply
  8. John Masters

    “It may be tough to hear and you can call me a nazi if it makes you feel better but pvp is the most important thing about Eve. Healthy pvp makes for healthy trading which makes for healthy building which makes for healthy mining and so on and so forth.”

    This reminds me of the speech by Zorg in “The Fifth Element”, where he tells the priest that his conflict and destruction fueled an economy of clean up systems.

    Which see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt1W0F0yObg

    “It’s the circle of life”

    October 13, 2013 at 2:35 am Reply
    1. OPSEC Duder

      In a simulated internet spaceship game – I’m 100% with Zorg.
      In the real world – Father Cornelius

      October 13, 2013 at 5:40 am Reply
  9. Ur Septim

    Cloaky afk campers owned 0.0 space! Carebears will just be frustrated if he/she moved to 0.0.

    October 13, 2013 at 5:18 am Reply
    1. Internet Lawyer

      That is such a narrow view of 0.0 that it makes everyone wonder if you’ve ever actually been there.

      I mean seriously, your biggest criticism of Null sec is that there is a red box in local in the one and only system you are prepared to undock something in ? Thats pretty sad mate.

      October 13, 2013 at 5:44 am Reply
      1. heh

        Nah, his perception would be correct on how a lot of nullbears are. They do whine a lot. Some however are smart enough to prepare and adapt.

        October 13, 2013 at 6:19 am Reply
        1. Old guy

          Actually, following forums and these kinda news sites with comments, its the pvp’ers that whone the most by far if they encounter a situation they favour. Many “nullbears” just goes silent and adapt to the situation or changes. Someone made an article about this long time ago and it have been gotten worse ever since. I guess so many grown up nerds needs to be Space relevant on a mittiani lvl to have their daily ego boosters running is main cause of this =)

          October 13, 2013 at 4:53 pm Reply
  10. Snorkle25

    I’m going to have to disagree a little with your assessment. I don’t necessarily agree with moving a EVERYTHING of value to null-sec. I feel that MOST of the raw resources and isk faucets should be located in -0.0 and lower sec space, however, I also feel that there should remain some crucial industrial steps only found in high sec (manufacturing) and of course markets. This way the isk and resources flow out of null and products in and there is a healthy circulation of wealth. I also feel more should be done to ensure said wealth flows through low sec and not around it like it currently does.

    October 13, 2013 at 7:00 am Reply
  11. Bill Cat

    yet another bullshit article encouraging us to move more and more valuable things to Nullsec as if we are all content to just pay 15 a month strait to Mittani and co.

    October 13, 2013 at 7:39 am Reply
  12. GrouchyOldGamer

    I’m pretty sure FA moved to Fountain because it was better space and they now have the smug satisfaction of living in TESTs old space. Their old space will be rented out at some point.

    I’m not sure nerfing high sec or buffing null sec will make 0.0 more attractive. But, I won’t pretend to know what would drive more 0.0 PVP, although I would like to see low sec become more attractive. It seems to be in a sweet spot between the mediocrity of high sec and the bullshit of 0.0. Once again, I won’t pretend to be a game designer and have an answer how to do that.

    October 13, 2013 at 7:44 am Reply
  13. FA Grunt

    Wow how wrong you are. FA is not a CFC pet of Goonswarm if anything it is the other way now. FA have gone from strength to strength, we got that space because we told Goonswarm we were having it, period. We are much more active at PvP then Goonswarm and if we are all honest a lot better at it. Goons admin the renters because we told them to, and we can focus on other more important things like taking it to NPC fountain. Goons might used to have been in charge but things change and FA is leading the CFC these days and has been for a long time now.

    October 13, 2013 at 8:14 am Reply
    1. GoodShootinFA

      Such pride. One day your usefulness will be outweighed by it and we will finally rid ourselves of your incompetence.

      October 13, 2013 at 10:57 am Reply
    2. d

      OMG, is Jim Jones running your alliance now? Put down the koolaid and slowly back away…..

      October 13, 2013 at 3:15 pm Reply
  14. war anyone

    If black legion ever sides with n3 against the cfc eve might be worth a damn again. After themittani is gone we can all go back to killing each other again.

    I think there is only one person keeping eve from being completely awesome again. Vince fuck face “oh we so much more leet than you, oh wait oh shit i forgot that chick had roles, oh I light cynos with my archon but who cares, by the way nulli you’re shitter than me even though we can’t seem to lose supers fast enough” Draken.

    October 13, 2013 at 8:35 am Reply
    1. GrouchyOldGamer

      Help me Elo you’re my only hope.

      October 13, 2013 at 8:36 am Reply
      1. Shadowblade1436

        Elo-wan kenobi get it right lol

        October 13, 2013 at 9:08 am Reply
    2. Yahahiuy

      “After themittani is gone”

      Don’t know how long welfare is running for that guy and he has to accept a job somewhere?

      October 13, 2013 at 10:00 am Reply
    3. Dark

      It will be Solar BL and the CFC who will crush N3

      October 13, 2013 at 5:12 pm Reply
  15. demrock

    And what a makes you think N3 will not become the next power house that follows up CFC ?
    You think it will be diffrent ?
    Eve always had 1 coalition to rule them all or 1 alliance that was imposible to implode.

    After CFC is long gone there will be another powerhouse to take over null sec.
    Its how the game is designed.

    October 13, 2013 at 9:08 am Reply
    1. mr nobody

      Flying currently with N3, its fucking awefull, they will always live in null but they wont be huge power

      October 13, 2013 at 9:14 am Reply
  16. Dave From FA

    I liked this article it is well written to a degree and kind to a lot of the lesser alliances who we toy with. A couple of things are inaccurate but I will put that down to the authors naivety and lack of understanding of the inner workings of the CFC.

    For the record

    FA (Fucking Awesome) are one of the lynch pins of the CFC and are equal party as we provide much of the logistics, manpower and management which make a glorious coalition a success.

    We are now guardians of the west and are towers are set strong against the mongoloid hoards which inhabit the south and east. They can expect no quarter in fountain and indeed they will receive none.
    For us it is good being alone as we can craft and build our internal culture whilst at the same time evangelise the true message of the CFC. This will provide greater enlightenment to empire based capsuleers and allow us all to grow and prosper in a golden light of fairness and opportunity delivered by ourselves and the CFC.
    We will make Fountain our home and sort out our unwanted guests for the next few weeks. But beware N3 once we have taken care of our borders your utilitarian days of delivering serfdom and terrorising the underdog are numbered. We evict you to Jita with the quivering spear of FA freedom piercing your breast
    Viva FA long live the CFC revolution
    Dave

    October 13, 2013 at 9:24 am Reply
    1. FA Diplo

      Agreed. Its funy how we use lesser alliances like BL for target practice but sucks that we actually have to pay them to stop them running away. Goons could learn a lot from how FA runs the alliance. I dont think we will ever pvp with Goons though. We wouldnt mind as would be fun to have some easy kills but dont think Goons will agree.

      October 13, 2013 at 10:49 am Reply
      1. Bored

        Your spin is showing, if you could so anything but brown nose GSF competently you’d be hell purged in a flash.

        October 13, 2013 at 10:52 am Reply
    2. Glp

      You take Fountain? Only when the CFC turns up to save you :)

      Your the worse type of slave a willing and happy one.

      October 13, 2013 at 10:53 am Reply
    3. PLgrunt

      Sorry we will always know you guys as Fucking Awful..

      Just like our killboard kills us pathetic legion when we reach anything like your top level of ability…

      Carry on dreaming pets

      October 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm Reply
    4. Chris

      It seems like FA has ramped up their koolaid production. Better buy invest in some for when supply drops.

      October 14, 2013 at 2:45 am Reply
    5. guess

      “prosper in a golden light of fairness and opportunity” roflmao that and cfc in the same sentance, thats one hell of a oxymoron :)

      October 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm Reply
  17. Squinty McBlindy

    POASTING IN A NERF HIGHSEC THREAD

    October 13, 2013 at 10:09 am Reply
    1. meimei

      POASTING IN CRYING CAREBEAR FAGGOT COMMENT

      October 13, 2013 at 7:17 pm Reply
  18. Akrasjel Lanate

    “Long gone are the days that renting was evil.”

    Hehe… and CFC seting there own renting alliance as a buffer zone is “good”.

    October 13, 2013 at 10:26 am Reply
    1. Nostalgia

      It is true, Goons are the new BoB

      October 13, 2013 at 11:29 am Reply
      1. Bob from FA

        FA runs the CFC you moron.

        October 13, 2013 at 1:17 pm Reply
        1. BS

          LOL such a bullshit. no comment

          October 13, 2013 at 7:52 pm Reply
  19. Someotherdude

    What’s unique about the CFC’s renting policy? Nothing. 0.0 territory redistribution was done for near the last 10 years in some form or fashion. Renting, for the last 3-4 years.

    Moving essential mining to 0.0 will simply make the CFC and N3 larger. Carebears in highsec will apply to these coalitions for protection and go mine 0.0 with the protections of the large alliances behind them. They’re not stupid – there won’t be some exodus to 0.0 and new alliances fighting over mining rights and to think such a thing is insipid at best.

    October 13, 2013 at 2:45 pm Reply
  20. Sigh

    Nerf the CFC.
    Ban the blob.
    Bla bla bla.
    If 5000 or 10000 or 50000 players want to ban together in a sanbox game, who are you to say they cant.
    Just because players in the CFC does not play EVE the way you want to, then you want CCP to do something about sov?.
    Eve null sec IS about building vast empires and the CFC has done just that.
    Please CCP we cant beat the CFC so we want you to change the game so we can?
    You fucking cry babies make me laugh.

    October 13, 2013 at 2:49 pm Reply
    1. Fail

      lol? and cfc hasn’t cried to nerf everything so they can dominate with blobs.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm Reply
      1. eve online is for bob

        i seem to remember tracking titans raping the face off of CFC fleets and mittani crying to the csm beating the drums to cfc “nerf the tracking titan cause we cant win with our 5,000 man fleets”…. please dont talk to us again faggot

        October 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm Reply
        1. Historian

          I remember the CFC pushing you out of Branch and back to whatever shit holes you came from, in spite of the tracking Titans that were later nerfed due to the tracking Titan blobbing used in Branch.
          Check it out.

          October 13, 2013 at 11:30 pm Reply
          1. *cough* all of the nerf drone assist articles on tmc *cough*

            October 14, 2013 at 12:57 am
          2. Historian

            And?

            October 14, 2013 at 2:41 am
          3. ishityounot

            No drone assist on chaos this very moment.

            October 14, 2013 at 3:35 am
          4. Historian

            What’s your point?

            October 14, 2013 at 10:10 am
          5. eve online is for bob

            well another thing to remember about that is CFC bribed the only allies that we had. NC dot, PL, Evoke and ewoks. the only ally they did not bribe was Init. and lets face it when you have 3000 man fleets on a regular basis and you bribe 75% of the enemy forces to not attack… nothing will stop it. so GG again…

            October 14, 2013 at 3:33 am
          6. Whathadhappenedwas

            OH GOD!!! is that a tear I see?

            October 14, 2013 at 6:36 am
          7. Yes Im in CFC

            the butt hurt is strong with this one

            October 14, 2013 at 6:49 am
          8. Aaron

            In war, use all the tools available to your disposal. If you don’t have to fight something, pay it off.

            October 22, 2013 at 12:48 pm
      2. guess

        “cfc hasn’t cried to nerf everything” nope just wardec mechanics that perma locks them into a mutual war they cant just drop that allows any and all of eve to shoot them in hs…

        October 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm Reply
    2. gg

      The CFC cries, and gets nerfed whatever they have ever wanted to get nerfed, so I not really sure why anyone in the CFC would be complaining.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:25 pm Reply
      1. Aaron

        Goonswarm in particular is one of the leading advocates of change and balance, often going to extremes to demonstrate to CCP how something is broken. When have they ever cried about being nerfed if it was a necessary thing? Maybe line-members and shitposters, sure. But never people who actually understand the mechanics of the game.

        October 22, 2013 at 12:47 pm Reply
  21. FA Diplo

    Its funy how we use lesser alliances like BL for target practice but sucks that we actually have to pay them to stop them running away. Goons could learn a lot from how FA runs the alliance. I dont think we will ever pvp with Goons though. We wouldnt mind as would be fun to have some easy kills but dont think Goons will agree.

    October 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm Reply
    1. BS

      Really FA ? Isn’t this one of those shit aliances like test ?

      October 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm Reply
    2. Billbo

      ………

      October 13, 2013 at 8:06 pm Reply
      1. Aaron

        It was an unofficial & unsupported panel and Zagdul will *love* you for bringing this panel up to him.

        Most FA pilots just forget about it.

        October 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm Reply
    3. Not FA

      Funny joke. Easy kills…like FA titans…

      October 13, 2013 at 11:39 pm Reply
    4. try harder bro

      obvious troll is obvious

      October 14, 2013 at 8:58 pm Reply
  22. Reality

    Since every other Alliance that has rented space has quickly abandoned their renters at the first sign of war, I suspect that the Goon renters will fair much better. I don’t have any doubt that the Goons will stomp the shit out of silly fags that harass their money machine.

    October 13, 2013 at 11:34 pm Reply
    1. grindingformittani

      oh goodie we can all take our play time and grind for the Goons for the benefit of lining the pockets of a few at the top, how exciting, can’t wait.

      October 14, 2013 at 12:16 am Reply
      1. common

        Or you could do the same for PL, NC., -A-, BoB, Atlas, Test, etc. only to write off all of your shit the first time a Goon shows up in local.
        If you are a renter, common sense would dictate that you choose to rent from a landlord with a proven record for defending his property.

        October 14, 2013 at 2:39 am Reply
  23. N3 WarHQ

    “The Russians are/were fighting CVA which is being supported by N3 directly and indirectly” ehh.. what? N3 supporting CVA? No i don’t think so. We have had some nice fights with -DD- in Catch but its not be related to helping CVA. Actually we have a deal with -DD- where they don’t interfere in our sov wars and we don’t interfere in theirs and we are happy with that.

    October 14, 2013 at 8:22 am Reply
    1. C0VEN

      And you know what N3 has done? Interfere, kthx. Kill yourselves.

      From showing up for INIT ihub to trying to hotdrop our forces with PL whilst we hit A-8 I can think n3 has done a rather shitty job of keeping up their end of the bargain.

      October 18, 2013 at 1:30 am Reply
  24. FA Sucks

    TL:DR – FA got hung out to dry in the last article posted about them.
    Now lets try and make out that GSF actually know who we are.

    October 14, 2013 at 8:26 am Reply
  25. The Obvious

    TL/DR – ‘You must make my aspect of the game far more important to drive people to play like me’

    October 14, 2013 at 2:12 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Now how would that work? This has nothing to do with me, it has everything to do with the fact that 0.0 is the beating heart of Eve.

      October 14, 2013 at 4:38 pm Reply
  26. WaitingForUrStupidReplys

    Oh how I would wish you guys would quite with the Socialistic propaganda. Shhesh. If you loved it so much why aren’t you replicating it in your real lives?? Probably because it doesn’t work and even in EVE its not real. If you do not get to keep your earnings you wont spend your time doing a damn thing. But I digress.. You probably don’t have real lives and therefore sit in your Mothers basement waiting on the next set of Government subsidies to keep doing so. Now its definitely crony capitalism that is at play here in New Eden. Then again why do I even respond to this stupid shit. You don’t care what it really is.

    October 14, 2013 at 5:31 pm Reply
    1. huh?

      dafuq?

      October 14, 2013 at 7:19 pm Reply
  27. morebortsigns

    I dont even sub to eve anymore so i dont have a dog in this fight.
    But honest truth i think CFC has peaked,there is only one way to go after you peak.
    If N3 plays the coming war right and just make it dull grinding and then melt away cfc will start to turnon itself and rot.
    There is nothing left for them to do they cant top the wars they have had.
    Your only as good as your exterior threat.

    And about highsec,if ccp kills highsec they kill eve once and for all so it wont happen,its alreadya horrible space to be in as it is.

    October 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm Reply
    1. TRololololol

      “just make it dull grinding and then melt away cfc will start to turn on itself and rot.”

      Riiiiiiiight, because the you’re not winning fast enough approach worked out so well for TEST, surely a smaller alliance with even less caps and pilots than TEST will be able to do it so much better. Good luck with that.

      October 14, 2013 at 8:54 pm Reply
  28. NullsecTrader

    I think null sec needs to be both more profitable for groups of people and more brutal to compensate. So if you want to play it safe you stay in high sec. However if you want to make it rich or really make your mark on eve you need to go to null to do so. To do that i think they need to have a serious look at a few things including
    -Force Projection (titan bridging in both how its accomplished and how many people can be bridged)
    -Destroyable stations (Structures that are invulnerable make null sec too safe IMO)

    -Sov Grind rebalance (I like the idea of small fleets being able to disrupt income to promote more small gang warfare)

    My 2 Cents

    October 14, 2013 at 8:50 pm Reply
    1. Justin Cody

      I would like to see how sov bonii are gained and applied change. So adopting a constellation based system where bonuses flow out from the ‘capitol’ system to the peripheral systems would be interesting.

      small gangs could come in and disrupt the bonuses…say by hacking the ihub in a peripheral system to shut down sov bonii for 10 minutes. That would turn off cyno jammers and disrupt ratting respawns and despawn ore sites immediately…only to come back after DT or something…though the ore site thing might be heavy handed and abused far too much by a drive by cov ops frigate. So yeah screw that…but sites should despawn and all non-mining bonuses be disrupted.

      hacking the ihub wouldn’t make it vulnerable though in my mind. Bonuses would simply resume after the 10 minute “break” and even the cyno jammer would automatically come back. Just throwing it out there

      October 21, 2013 at 7:26 am Reply
  29. Dictators Die
    October 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm Reply

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