I really have to wonder what exactly the point of this is. Initially it may sound like a good idea. You get the best of the best out of your main alliance and put them in this super group…and then what? NCdot already has a renter alliance. What becomes of the original NCdot? In business there is a thing called market cannibalization where a company negatively affects its bottom line by not letting its product have its full cycle. For example the company Pear puts on the market their new “YouPhone” and people begin to buy it. While the item is still popular and technologically relevant, they come out with “YouPhone Plus” drawing buyers from their original product that was still selling, into their new product. In essence, you compete with yourself and you always lose.

This is why Northern Army seems like a terrible idea. For one, you divide your alliance up. If all the leet pvp people go to Northern Army, what becomes of NCdot? Does it become a training alliance? Vetting system? What? Isn’t this just un-needed bureaucracy? Managing a renter alliance is a headache enough. Is there a point to trying to manage a second one? What is the purpose?

Secondly, you introduce a new level of elitism. Even though big fights in Eve for 95 percent of people consists of anchoring up to the FC, activating hardeners and pushing F1, people still imagine themselves being “elite.” And people are fickle, weak, insecure and unfortunately proud, usually in a way to compensate for those factors. So this WILL happen. There is no point pretending.

Thirdly, this gives your enemies a target. If you come out and name X entity the best of your best, and it happens to lose some fights (which it will) it provides a propaganda element for your enemy. This is why entities like the Goons and TEST always say that they are “bad at pvp.” This allows them to brush off losses. It disarms their opponent from having the satisfaction of winning. It’s a very potent mind game and Northern Army simply provides another weapon for your enemy.

Now there are a couple alternatives as to why the decision to make Northern Army was made. Let’s assume it wasn’t some thoughtless fickle off the cuff action. Let’s consider that this was done with some intent and forethought. Considering Traderjohn is involved, who hasn’t struck me as a terrible leader or someone unreasonable, perhaps there is some method to this madness.

My first thought is that it is more of an internal propaganda thing bu trying to fire up your base. But I wonder if the initial and momentary surge that would be created, outweighs the negative aspects detailed above. Eventually the steam will run out. Nobody REALLY does continual pvp. Very few individuals are truly on that wave length.

My second theory is that this is trying to enforce the idea of “nomad pvp.” Well here is the thing with nomad pvp. It’s really just a way to minimize signs of failure. And listen to me before you go crazy, I’ll explain. When an entity has a poco, a system, a station, any sort of claim to sov, they are putting targets out there with their name. They are laying some sort of claim to something and if that thing is taken from them by force, it shows that they are unable to enforce their will upon their claim. This is why you frequently see the statement “didn’t want that X anyway.” It’s a psychological way to deal with a failure to enforce your foreign policy upon a claim. A good example would be Querious. Does anyone really believe they didn’t want it? Of course not. Nobody grinds a bunch of structures just to have it all go away months later. They knew they had no chance to hold the region against the CFC, BL and most probably Solar as well. And I’m not saying this as a criticism, simply a fact of reality. So to get back to my point, being “nomad” is best defined by minimizing the targets which you put out there for others to hit. Plenty of sov owning entities roam across the Eve universe for pvp. Doing the same thing without sov doesn’t make you special.

My third theory, and you’ll need some tin foil and a nice hat model to follow me down this rabbit hole, is that this was mostly Traderjohn’s idea, or perhaps someone within NCdot that has some say on matters. N3 is a fairly decentralized coalition compared to the likes of the CFC and if it wants to compete with them, they will have to restructure. Look at the Goons, they keep their coalition members only strong enough to be useful, but not strong enough to challenge their role as hegemon. So I believe someone within NCdot is trying to create for themselves a nice seat of power from which they will be able to dictate some effective policy for a change, because right now let’s face it, if the CFC wanted, they could take anyone else out too. Until NCdot really takes effective leadership of N3 and sets up some organized objectives and goals, that won’t change. And i’m sure many of them will take this as me shitting on N3, but I really do want them to be an effective rival to the CFC or else Eve gets really boring.

So best case scenario, Northern Army is an internal coalition ploy at some sort of centralization. Worst case scenario, Vince got bored and wanted a pet project to accomplish to feel better. As always this speculation is just that and only time will tell how far this goes.

– Seraph IX Basarab

91 Comments

  1. lolwut

    They aren’t splitting NCDOT

    This is a fucking feeder alliance like Initiative Mercenaries.

    Or Waffles for Sniggerdly.

    September 29, 2013 at 2:29 am Reply
    1. BLgrunt

      So pretty fucking useless

      September 29, 2013 at 2:36 am Reply
      1. YOLO

        Like every other BL. Member since Elo and Ipsimus are the only couple in BL. With a real quality. Kill both FCs and it’s like watching a headless chicken run away lmao

        September 29, 2013 at 4:30 am Reply
        1. BLgrunt

          umad?

          September 29, 2013 at 4:31 am Reply
          1. lol

            ips alrdy left bl

            September 29, 2013 at 8:17 am
          2. lollolololl

            lol

            September 29, 2013 at 2:40 pm
        2. Titus Veridius

          You forgot the part where Steelratty is yelling at the chicken.

          September 30, 2013 at 9:04 pm Reply
    2. Delicious

      With chocolate chips on top. Mmmm

      September 29, 2013 at 2:37 am Reply
  2. BigSako

    You sir are an idiot and dont know the difference between a renter empire and a sister alliance.

    September 29, 2013 at 2:47 am Reply
    1. BigSako

      PS: More CFC crying please.

      September 29, 2013 at 2:48 am Reply
      1. BigSako

        PSS: Are you buthurt because your shitty corp got kicked out of Why So Serious?

        September 29, 2013 at 2:52 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Considering it was me and I deactivated my account…and while WSS has some pretty cool people…it is WSS, no I can’t say that. 😡

          But I got a question for you my main man. What has you so upset about this video game article that it makes you lash out?

          September 29, 2013 at 3:54 am Reply
          1. Toxic

            I wouldn’t call it a lash out, just showing how retarded the writers (directed as you) are for EN24. You guys must really be struggling for good accurate stories.

            September 29, 2013 at 5:03 am
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            What exactly was inaccurate?

            September 30, 2013 at 3:15 am
          3. Gothic Light

            “A good example would be Querious. Does anyone really believe they didn’t
            want it? Of course not. Nobody grinds a bunch of structures just to
            have it all go away months later.”

            We didn’t grind that region, it was dropped and we picked it up. As I was in NCdot at the time, I can confirm that no one was at all concerned over Querious. We ratted there a bit while deployed around delve/aridia but it was simply buffer space, never upgraded, and never actually required or wanted.

            And btw, I’m not in NCdot anymore, so if you think I have some kind of bias and I’m lying, you’re mistaken.

            September 30, 2013 at 9:41 am
          4. Titus Veridius

            What is a Querious? I’ve never heard of it.

            September 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm
          5. Gothic Light

            And thats 4 inaccuracies in just that one statement Seraph.
            1. You wrongly assume everyone believes NCdot wanted querious.
            2. You wrongly assume NCdot wanted querious.
            3. You incorrectly state that NCdot ground the region, which they didnt.
            4. You wrongly assume no nullsec entity grinds a region just to lose it as buffer space, which happens all the time.

            Not trying to be a dick, but you invited the criticism.

            September 30, 2013 at 9:48 am
          6. Seraph IX Basarab

            Criticism doesn’t make you a dick and I welcome the discussion. Let’s consider this logically. Querious is an asset. Nobody simply gives up an asset after taking it regardless of how little or much they grinded it. So we can say that NCdot didn’t want Querious if that meant a direct conflict with the CFC/BL/other allies. But to say they absolutely did not want Querious is non sense. It’s an asset. There’s no reason not to want it. They just “didn’t want that sov anyway” considering the costs.

            September 30, 2013 at 10:04 pm
  3. Toxic

    All I can read from this is CFC is butt hurt and how illiterate their members really are. I hear hooked on phonics might help bro

    September 29, 2013 at 2:50 am Reply
  4. Internet Lawyer

    Tl;dr

    Derp

    September 29, 2013 at 2:59 am Reply
  5. Null Sec PVPer

    Have you thought about any of the corps that enjoy pvp and would like to join NC. but dont have enough supers, large enough member base or any of the Qualifications that NC. requires of new corps joining? This is true for many of the Top Tier PVP alliances in the game. So maybe this allows corps the opertunity to prove themselfs and fly in these fleets without giving up thier own idenity (aka Corp Merger).

    September 29, 2013 at 3:13 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Why not just have them join NCdot? Like you said, they have 2500 members already.

      September 29, 2013 at 3:55 am Reply
      1. Null Sec PVP'er

        Because the corp as whole does not meet the requirements for entry into these alliances. So sister alliances like nulli legio allow for corps to grow and get bigger to met the requirements while still able to fly with the alliance like NC. Nulli, PL or other like this.

        September 29, 2013 at 6:30 am Reply
        1. Null Sec PVP'er

          My corp has plenty of pilots that could join any number of these alliances but the corp as a whole would not meet the requirements. Not enough members, not enough isk, not enough supers or ect. On a member basis. Individuals can get in but as a corp we could not. I like flying with the members of my corp the CEO and directors are people I like. Why leave a corp that you like when your corp could try out a sister alliance and not leave the corp you’re in.

          September 29, 2013 at 6:38 am Reply
        2. Noisrevbus

          Alot of you read this out as a training corp or an alliance underwing for corps that don’t meet certain requirements (mainly, in terms of assets).

          Is that really it though? I should say that I am sincerely wondering, and try to phrase this as a question instead of slapping down on someone. However, as I read the initial statement it’s not a question of who has accumulated what assets or experience and rather a question of culture or what kind of experience the corps have. The line in the initial statement is drawn between holding space and staying nomadic.

          Now, some may interprete that as “grunt work” and “elite pvp” respectively, and tie that to a hierarchy. I tend to look upon it as differing backgrounds instead. It’s not secret that Supers are plenty, the powerbase of certain alliances lie in Supers and in order to compete in the numbers game those entities have rapidly grown in numbers of Super-wielding players.

          Regardless if you have a Super or not though, those who came with their Supers from a small-corp hotdrop environment and those who came with their Supers from a large-alliance sovholding environment have as entirely different outlooks on the game as the small-gang HAC-roamer and the large-fleet Battleship warrior.

          You can see that gravitation (disenfranchized small-gang meeting up with the “cream” of conquered political actors) and those different pulls within both PL and NCdot quite easily. You can also see it in the differences between PL and NCdot respectively.

          The core of both PL and NCdot though, is trifecta (the nomadic, non-holding lifestyle of running PvP in both sov, npc and low).

          I may be leaping off the topic now, but that is my question … is this not more of a cultural thing of organizing the alliance into a structure-raiding and a capital-fishing side that co-operate when either side end up in a strategic scenario? Rather than a division between new/old or rich/poor.

          September 29, 2013 at 12:35 pm Reply
        3. Seraph IX Basarab

          Ok so the corp doesn’t meet requirement and they need their whole own alliance now? Why?

          September 30, 2013 at 3:17 am Reply
          1. Titus Veridius

            Conceivably to make them better and get use out of them, and eventually add quality corps or members to NC. Why do you keep asking questions with obvious fucking answers.

            September 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            And they can’t do that within NCdot why?

            September 30, 2013 at 10:05 pm
      2. Titus Veridius

        Because adding what turns out to be shit corps and members to your alliance poisons the organization. Furthermore there are diminishing returns from membership numbers in Eve. PL wouldn’t be sitting at just under 2000 members right now if adding another 2000 members would make them twice as able to do whatever the fuck they wanted, with only twice as much bullshit. There is probably a method to the madness.

        September 30, 2013 at 8:58 pm Reply
  6. Guy

    It’s not a bad thing for ncdot to be doing, really. They can’t compete with the CFC right now, even with the help of the other n3 alliances. Hopefully it’s a part of a bigger re-structure, since ncdot has been awful at keeping coalitions together in the past.

    As far as the elitism thing goes I’m not sure. Ncdot is already a 2500 man alliance so it’s not as if their recruitment is all that exclusive, anyway.

    September 29, 2013 at 3:38 am Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      If you don’t want to move past 2500 because of inherent problems with larger organizations then one way to become more capable without becoming larger is to improve the quality of new membership. So yes, one would hope it would be part of a larger restructure toward quality and capability. And maybe they should look to make membership more exclusive.

      NC. has largely been reacting since they lost the War in the North, and maybe now they have a moment for introspection and self-surgery. If there ultimate goal is to destroy CFC (magic 8-ball says “most likely” and they don’t want to move past their current membership numbers (if) then they are going to need to figure out what they need to be, to make that future happen. The Delve War, in my mind, makes it clear that their current shape cannot do that.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:42 pm Reply
  7. Ryu

    wow just wow, you went full derp, never go full derp. Learn what is Sister Alliance and what is Renting Alliance. You are so mistaken that i cant even believe you wrote that.

    September 29, 2013 at 4:02 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I know the difference and one has a purpose, the other does not.

      September 29, 2013 at 4:32 am Reply
      1. Ryu

        mate just admit it, you were wrong and you didnt understand it, it happens, you are speaking of schism and putting elite players in northern army when northern army is just a sister alliance, like pl has waffles, nulli secunda had nulli legio, initiative has initiative mercs etc

        September 29, 2013 at 4:36 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I can’t admit to anything if you don’t explain it. Giving nulli legio and init mercs as examples kind of works in my favor if anything. waffles is only a marginally good argument.

          September 29, 2013 at 4:42 am Reply
          1. mr nobody

            I am not part of the brain trust. But I expect it to be a feeder alliance. New people / corps will go into and then then rookies will be invited into NC corps or into the alliance for whole corps.

            It the same as what many other alliance PL / snigg with waffles, Goons to the rest of the CFC

            September 29, 2013 at 4:59 am
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            The concept is really pointless

            September 30, 2013 at 3:18 am
          3. youareamoron

            you are a moron

            September 29, 2013 at 6:07 am
  8. Dennis the Dreamer

    Looks like NC. is disbanding.

    September 29, 2013 at 6:45 am Reply
    1. Toxic

      You are more retarded than the person that wrote this article. Go crawl back under that rock you just came out from under.

      September 29, 2013 at 6:56 am Reply
      1. lol

        mittani’s balls are rocks now?

        September 29, 2013 at 6:21 pm Reply
      2. Dennis the Dreamer

        LOL! Why you so mad bro? You fail in trolling.

        October 1, 2013 at 4:52 am Reply
  9. NC. worst dot

    So NC. got shocked by the amount of shit and inactive pilots in Finfleet and Evol that they decided to make a Trial alliance.

    Smart move, only a bit to late

    September 29, 2013 at 7:53 am Reply
  10. Dannar

    TL;DR this is a move by NCdot to Purge Spies.

    September 29, 2013 at 7:58 am Reply
  11. Bill

    Problem is egos n styles with N3, we work together for a well defined goal, but if the goal is slightly iffy, then 1 element of N3 will have a hard time getting the others involved.

    Plus, NC. likes to think its the best of everything of N3, and that just isnt true. I mean Archibold as FC??? However, when numbers are above the 250, some1 needs to lead cause of TS and EVE fleet limitations and this works as has been proven many times. Still, having a lesser FC just cause hes NC. is a weakness of N3.

    I for one are glad that we wont have another NC. set added to the fleets, as this would again give NC. more reason to think its bigger n better.

    I dont know about the reasons for them leaving Querious. Perhaps it was because INK/WHYSO/Nulli wouldnt deploy in support – considering Solar is right next door to their home systems, NC. would be left facing CFC/BL and some element of Solar. Who if Solar played it right could tie down most of N3 in the east allowing CFC/BL+Solar to engage for Querious.

    Still, I agree that NC. rep suffers for the loss of Querious, as they cant use the Nomadic BS as an excuse as why take the sov in the first place. Rental empire?? Well, yeah, u gotta be able to defend it, and ur gonna lose ur Nomads if ur spending ur time defending Querious.

    However, my real thoughts on NARM are just a larger controlled customer base for TradeJohn to scam the fk out of 😛

    All alliances have rough patches and times of change,lets hope NC. does come out of this stronger, as we do need a strong force to keep the scourge that is the CFC at bay.

    September 29, 2013 at 8:19 am Reply
    1. TJ

      I have never scammed a single player in my eve career. EVER so that’s funny enough

      September 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
      1. GG

        Have backtabbed, or broken word many times, you’re “word” in reality doesn’t hold very much weight.

        September 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm Reply
    2. lol

      N3 really isn’t anything, a bunch of renters and shit, only NCdot and Nulli actually exist.

      Nobody gives a fuck about any of the other scrubs.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:41 am Reply
      1. Bob

        Prolly from some dude that his alliance was wiped out by one of those ‘other scrubs’

        September 30, 2013 at 12:45 am Reply
    3. Lawful-Insanity

      I have flown in many archie fleets. Hes a great fc. So for you to say hes a less grade fc isnt truthful. Sure NCDot does have some egos but so does’nt every major entity in game.

      September 30, 2013 at 7:20 pm Reply
  12. nc. fc

    This is even dumber than that black legion drivvle, it’s a training alliance for people/corps that can’t get into Nc. Why would anyone leave nc.to go join narm, besides throwing an alf in, specially since they will most likely be deployed with us, as the announcement said. It’s a great idea n I’m pjmoed for it to get running

    September 29, 2013 at 8:57 am Reply
  13. I just do not know

    “Considering Traderjohn is involved, who hasn’t struck me as a terrible leader or someone unreasonable, perhaps there is some method to this madness.”
    I had a diplomatic conversation at one point with Traderjohn and he came over as stupidly arrogant, up until I spoke to him I had ignored peoples comments about him, having spoken to him I accepted them as true, thankfully in our dealings with RAWR we had lower level contacts who were great, but we had to do that as one off’s not at alliance level due to Traderjohn. RAWR failed because they had no friends, having him as the diplomat was the major reason for that.
    Hearing that he will be one of the people in charge of a development alliance for NCDOT. got a laugh from me, really an arrogant elitist person like him in charge of developing new corps, this will be worse then En Garde…

    September 29, 2013 at 9:07 am Reply
    1. I just do not know

      And I should say that I understand what NCDOT. is doing and they have to do this to be able to compete with the CFC. There are a lot of Corps that do not meet NCDOT. levels but could be very effetive in a well structured and focussed second string alliance, as long as they keep focussed on the need for it, rather than define everyone in it at the level of the first and least effective recruit.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:14 am Reply
      1. TJ

        Lol thanks for that, but i was never that bad

        September 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm Reply
        1. I just do not know

          Actually you have a point I re-read it and yeah you were not so bad at a person level, my bad, it was more the alliance message, so I apologise and take that back.

          September 29, 2013 at 7:35 pm Reply
  14. Pretending to be Clever?

    There Is so many people in this game who think they are clever but yet opposite is very much the case. The first 95% of the article has nothing true at all in it, the last 5% has a glimmer of truth but that doesn’t make up for the rest.

    I will use one example that has nothing to do with politics that proves this guy is a moron.
    As a company by creating a newer version of your mobile phone, this is called “market cannibalization” – “you compete with yourself and you always lose.” -This guy obviously thinks he is really clever and no doubt believes her understands something about real world business. In real world businesses they are many people who were in the right place at the right time learn and idiotic catch phrase like that and suddenly believe they are intelligent. I am not going to explain why that comment is blatantly unintelligent, it will be obvious to anyone who is not brain dead anyway.

    Almost everyone who writes for EvE News seems to have delusions of grandeur in one way or another.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:24 am Reply
    1. I just do not know

      I have found the writer of this article to be articulate, thoughtful, knowledgable and with the courage to put out his views in the public domain. Like many people he gets it wrong at times and this article is one of them, if he had analysed this proposed alliance and compared it to En Garde and Nulli Legio he might have been better advised, but he put out his view point. The phone point is wrong, because in teh context of the phone different models for different segments is the way to do it, which is what NCDOT. is doing, they are trying to develop from people who would not get in NCDOT.
      If you feel so superior, get a mail into Riv and see if you do better. I for one will continue to look forward to articles by this writer even if at times he gets it wrong, because I can tell you straight, I like his articles.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:45 am Reply
      1. Jaime Gomes

        This writter in particular also pratices plagiarism. Check the article reguarding bombers. Its in many ways copy paste for ezek’s price bomber blog.

        September 29, 2013 at 10:48 am Reply
        1. I just do not know

          I have no issue with plagiarism as long as the wirter has his own slant and experiences to add to it which he did as an FC for Bombers Bar, and also if he acknowledges the sources that he used. Also there are many different ways to fit bombers based on what you expect to go up against, the MSE II is a viable fit as is the get out fast fit, I though the attacks on this writer over the MSE was over done. I still like his articles and hope that he continues in spite of the attacks in comments.

          September 29, 2013 at 11:53 am Reply
          1. mal love!

            man you love seraph bro 😉

            October 3, 2013 at 5:07 am
        2. Ezek Price

          Which in turn was an elaboration on the NMG’s way of fittng the bomber + some extra thoughts I had on other rigs and modules.

          I guess – not at all bothered by plagiarism if it really is the case. Inspiration maybe…

          September 29, 2013 at 5:06 pm Reply
          1. Seraph IX Basarab

            If I was trying to plagiarize your work or even be inspired, I’d actually have to agree with your opinions wouldn’t I? I think our discussion in the bomber article showed some fairly divergent opinions on the bombers’ use. I don’t know who Jaime Gomes is or who’s alt he is but it’s interesting to see this claim…but he should at least know I was flying bombers a bit earlier than you (no offense not saying it as some accomplishment just a fact.)

            September 30, 2013 at 3:25 am
          2. Ezek Price

            Something inspired by another doesn’t necessarily have to agree with the source.

            And I agree, and do not give a fuck.

            September 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm
          3. Seraph IX Basarab

            The notion is just plain laughable. What’s the inspiration? A bomber article?

            October 1, 2013 at 4:16 am
      2. Seraph IX Basarab

        I’m honestly curious to know who you are. And I appreciate your thoughts.

        I got the idea that Northern Army would be a feeder alliance, but the concept never really seemed all that effective to me. If a corp is worth enough trying, why divide them from your main group? Init is a horrible example as showing the feeder alliance concept as useful. Waffles may be a good example but then again it IS PL so they may just be an exception.

        September 30, 2013 at 3:27 am Reply
        1. I just do not know

          NCDOT. have the requirement to be able to fly all sub caps to a very high level as demanded by the FC, they also went people to jump into the required T3 cruiser as required. They do not want their FC’s to have to worry about losing people that fleet up due to them not being able to fly what he is asking for. It will be a feeder alliance but will also develop its own doctrines to support NCDOT. The flexibility aspect is why they do not want them in the main alliance. I think its a good approach because it enables them to develop new blood, but not dilute their leet advantage so to speak, and most of all sorts out numbers, which they need to do in terms of competing against the CFC. I think there are a number of very good corps out there that do not make the grade for NCDOT. but would be a very good addition to their numbers. I just hope that NCDOT. can make this work at the leadership level.

          September 30, 2013 at 9:00 am Reply
          1. Seraph IX Basarab

            That’s a more reasonable approach to it I agree. yet at the same time I still can’t help but feel like there is a more efficient method than the feeder system

            September 30, 2013 at 11:25 pm
          2. beeboop

            there is none other then letting them join the actual alliance which would only bring a bunch of shit into nc. and its a lot to do about kb effieciency and nc. doesnt want their members losing t1 retarded fit ships cause that isnt allowed in nc. its a strict tough alliance to be in but is awesome fun

            October 3, 2013 at 5:05 am
        2. I just do not know

          Do you want me to contact you in game?

          September 30, 2013 at 9:02 am Reply
          1. Seraph IX Basarab

            This account isn’t subbed right now and hasn’t been for several months. If you have an e mail or other method, that’d be fine.

            September 30, 2013 at 11:24 pm
        3. Titus Veridius

          If it is in fact a feeder organization, then it is not about the feeder organization being worth trying, its about the parent entity being worth getting in to. Few people join Waffles just to be in Waffles for it’s own sake. The real question is not whether such an entity can be successful, or whether NC has the resources to pull it off, it is whether there is enough demand to get into NC. that people will want to join a feeder organization like this, and invest several months in it minimum in order to transition to an NC. corp.

          If that demand is there, then this is a good idea, because it should give you better vetted, and just plain better pilots and young FCs. If the demand is not there, the entity will just become a place where numpties are sent so that recruiters don’t have to deal with them, and people that are strongly vouched for with good employment histories still end up getting moved into NC. without much trouble.

          “Is NC. the closest thing to PL. in the sense that there is a long line of people that want to enter the organization, that would be served by a feeder organization?” is a better article to write. There is room for opinion in there, and could be served by interviews and research.

          Just saying.

          September 30, 2013 at 8:25 pm Reply
          1. Seraph IX Basarab

            That’s actually a pleasant response and I appreciate the discussion.

            I guess I’m just failing to see the efficiency in using a feeder entity. Just because it has been done before, does not make it a good system. I think it’s a poor system and again only plausible in a situation such as PL where demand may be just so damn high. I hope my other considerations in the article weren’t that upsetting. Just bouncing the ball off the wall.

            September 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm
    2. Over-reaction maybe?

      True, there was nothing particularly eye catching here, but did it really warrant this level of contempt? I mean, it’s not a Grevlon article or anything.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:26 am Reply
    3. lol

      I think you are illiterate!

      For someone who wants to criticize, you write like a retard and are totally unintelligible.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:39 am Reply
    4. Joseph Blade

      I’m not going to explain why ….. , it will be /is obvious.

      safest way to pretend to be smart when you’re just opinionated. (almost misspelled that)
      anyone disagreeing with you -must- be dumb.

      How about you humour us and explain how it is wrong. Prove you are SMRT.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm Reply
  15. TJ

    This is not a renter alliance, the idea and concept behind it is very simple, Numbers win fights, but ncdot as alliance is not looking to grow to 5k members, so this gives a chance to fly, fight, die and welp with us while maintaining a quality level of pvp. Northern Army. is a training alliance.

    If you look at the alliances in eve,
    PL has Sniggwaffe,
    Init has init mercs,
    Nulli has Nexus.

    This alliance will 100% not be renting any space nor will we encourage this route.

    TJ – Traderjohn

    September 29, 2013 at 1:28 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      PL is pretty much the only example that works in your favor though.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:28 am Reply
      1. Titus Veridius

        There are plenty of examples of mobile pvp groups, maybe the pool of successful training organizations for much larger entities as a mobile group is much much smaller. N3 has plenty of FCs and resources to make this happen. If any large alliance can make this happen well other than PL, it is probably NC. I don’t think PL has a cartel on success yet, so lets see what happens.

        September 30, 2013 at 8:12 pm Reply
  16. derp

    Still call them selves Northern? what a bout East Army…

    September 29, 2013 at 3:01 pm Reply
  17. CJ

    Every military has their commando units.

    September 29, 2013 at 7:06 pm Reply
  18. Eve Player

    Aw bless…

    September 29, 2013 at 7:10 pm Reply
  19. FCK_NC_PL

    FCK NC/PL

    September 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm Reply
  20. Billbo

    This will end well……

    September 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm Reply
  21. ned

    Nancy has decide to create a nomad army who are semi detached from nancy who can park their arse for example venal and pvp and be a nuisance and stay deployed for months on end. But if the same band of people are nomadic and have alts in wh corps and do other shit, the idea is flawed.

    So many way’s to make good isk and leave your pvp main deployed for as long as alliance desires.

    So nancy army will be made up of who nancy alts more than likely.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:17 pm Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      There are a lot of examples of extremely mobile groups in Eve doing things well, without any more information to go on, there isn’t a reason to assume it won’t be successful. Your implying that there are player-mechanic reasons for this to fail, as if it’s never been done before. It isn’t rocket science, and of course a lot of these people will have alts to make money.

      You’ve literally just said “if nomadic and have money making alts, will fail” and that’s dumb. There are real reasons why it could fail, but this is only one of them if they recruit the wrong people and don’t provide content, which is entirely another issue.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:08 pm Reply
  22. I Don't Even...

    This article is wrong on so many levels. You clearly have no idea about the goals, structure or motivation of NCdot.

    September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      1. Destroy CFC.
      2. Destroy CFC
      3. Profit (RMT)
      4. Bring tracking titans back
      5. Retire to Curse.

      September 30, 2013 at 9:09 pm Reply
  23. MEza

    I don’t know what’s worse.. the fact that you didn’t read the article before you went off on a fucking idiotic fantastical joyride, or that you more or less aren’t that retarded and still hit enter thinking this was a clever post that no one would pick up on it.

    This is some shit writing and you muddy up any integrity you have by being so fucking lazy and/or careless.

    Northern Army, agree with it or not, isn’t exactly a complicated concept and your blatant conjecture doesn’t fool anyone. This isn’t effective propaganda. You do not seem smart by unearthing some half-hearted conspiracy. You look like some dude who can’t read and knee-jerked up a response and slammed down enter. Put some fucking effort in next time.

    Riverini should withhold payment on this garbage.

    -Some shitty pilot in this stupid game :)

    September 30, 2013 at 6:08 pm Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      Basically that sounds right.

      What I took from the announcement is that NA is designed from the ground up to do something different, not to be elite. There are things in this game, many of which Brack Region and others do very well (or did very well) that a massive entity will inherently be unable to do well. That entity could pick a corp and say your going to focus on doing those things, but it wouldn’t have been built for it, and if pilots in that corp wanted to do those things, chances are they would be doing them.

      Instead your building a specialized organization from the ground up, full of competent people that want to be there, using all the benefits of the resources of the larger organization. The concept is good. We will see if the execution is there.

      Not sure what Seraph is smoking, but I want some.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:03 pm Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      I understood the concept and I don’t believe feeder entities are plausible for 99.9 percent of the Eve entities out there. It seems pointless and it will cause internal friction rather than help. I’m not sure who I am suppose to be doing propaganda for but i’m sure it is whoever has been shooting at you/you don’t like.

      September 30, 2013 at 10:12 pm Reply
    3. Danny Payne

      At least you admitted your a shit pilot and there for know fuck all so don’t type again thanks!

      October 1, 2013 at 6:29 am Reply

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