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There is a common misconception among many players who play an MMO for free: that they are somehow needed for game mechanics to work. Good examples are the miner crying “we are making your ships” to gankers and those who “pay” for their EVE accounts by PLEX bought for ISK claiming that they are subscribers since “someone else paid for it with real money”.

Their problem is being unable to distinguish real items and game content. A real item needs work to be created and/or be protected by the law. PLEX itself is a coupon that allows you to play the game EVE Online. You have legal rights concerning your game subscription that is governed by real world contracts between the game company and you, typically done by some EULA/ToS. If you buy subscription and cannot play, you can sue for refund and the jury will force the company to refund, unless they rightfully banned you from the game for breaking the contract you clicked OK on. Also, CCP couldn’t just give out PLEX-es for free without going bankrupt. The game needs work to be created and maintained and without payment it cannot exits.

Veldspar on the other hand is game content. You have absolutely no legal right to “your” Veldspar. If you’d have lot of Veldspar in your hangar and CCP would remove it all for no reason, there wouldn’t be a court that would care. It wasn’t your property. Also, CCP could create Veldspar in endless amounts without effort. The claim that “the EVE economy needs you to mine to keep the ship prices OK” is hilarious. CCP could increase the yield of miners or just sell Veldspar as NPC seeded item. If all the miners would quit EVE today, it wouldn’t affect the mineral supply, assuming CCP reacts to the market swing and creates some source. They did just that with Technetium, turning the once money print moons into common ones and the Tech in your hangar worthless.

This is true for any of your game activity that makes other players pay for your account: they are game content and CCP could replace you with an NPC without loss of income. The customer (the guy who pays the real money) would simply sell his PLEX to an NPC or in the item shop instead of to you. He would get the same thing for his money. Your Veldspar isn’t better than the Veldspar sold by NPCs.

Of course it doesn’t mean that free-playing players are worthless. Game companies are struggling making good content and having volunteers creating it is great. While CCP could provide fleet commanding service via a GM, it would cost much more than just letting Mister Vee, Shadoo or Progodlegend playing for free.

When you think you earned your subscription by playing, you are very likely wrong. The truth is that such content creators as the mentioned FCs earned it and you just sneaked in in their shadow. CCP would probably need too much resources to separate those who create content (therefore make other players pay) from those who just sell Veldspar or update market orders. However this can change at any moment and then you are out of luck. Every day when you play for free without actually creating content is a gift you should be grateful for and not a right you earned. You’d better face the fact that your contribution to the game could be replaced by a bot or NPC, therefore you don’t worth more to the game company. Sure, you might cost less than a well-programmed bot. But don’t forget these when you’d say against a game change “this would make many people like me quit”. Who cares if you aren’t a customer?


- Gevlon Goblin

His EVE journey show a very interesting “outside the box” approach to the game, PVE and the trade hubs, reason for which we invite you to pay a visit to his blog.

119 Comments

  1. watches trainwrecks

    the miner ganker says to the miner “You’d better face the fact that your contribution to the game could be replaced by a bot or NPC” and all of new eden laughs until they suffocate….

    you are a whiney rat. pun intended

    September 28, 2013 at 11:18 am Reply
  2. Atogrim

    This is just so wrong. On so many Levels.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:22 am Reply
  3. BS

    CAN WE PLEASE HAVE UP / DOWN VOTE FOR THE ARTICLES AT EVE24 ? I’m just curious…

    September 28, 2013 at 11:22 am Reply
  4. best goblin post ever

    im not a miner, i find it terribly boring. but by your own logic that miner IS the content for you goblin.
    the miner views zapping rocks and chitchatting with friends as content. you the miner ganker view zapping miners as content. CONTENT is in the eye of the beholder ya silly goose

    September 28, 2013 at 11:27 am Reply
    1. glvinosogobilonos

      No one mine sitting in front of his keyboard and watching mining lasers cycles. Sane people mine AFK/alt+tab with alt account in HI or with minig bots in 0.0 and HI.

      Most people with some brains don’t even rat personally but semi-afk with some 0.0 bubbled dead-end.

      September 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm Reply
  5. a guestreader

    The new clown of New Eden. Even his trader alts fail. He loses billions cause of low or non existant standing to NPC corp in jita and claims he is the man with his ridiculous 200b. LOL. Please go on. I don’t even read your artricles cause i KNOW they are shiat. But it’s fun to see the comments.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
  6. Loot Fairy

    “Nothing you do in EVE is of any importance because CCP could replace it by NPC’s, scripts or seeded goods” ~ Gevlon Goblin

    September 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm Reply
    1. CarlGustav

      in a sandbox offline game yes. In Eve NO. Eve goes in the opposite direction and GG doesn’t seem to understand that.

      I dream of a eve where every structure every ship every module every tiny bit of thing you use is player made. think of the effect on the game if the Stargates could be created and destroyed. And Jita 4-4 would be a burning wreck as soon as it was out of its final timer .. *cackle* and in the pyres of the fallen king a new shall rise player build. player driven. player controlled.

      September 28, 2013 at 10:14 pm Reply
  7. shari evan

    “If all the miners would quit EVE today, it wouldn’t affect the mineral supply”

    But, if all Goblins would quit EVE today, it would be legen…wait for it…dary!

    September 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm Reply
  8. gg

    Maybe if all the pvpers left ccp would just make npcs do it? Right?

    September 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm Reply
  9. omg

    Well, with his stupidity he’s making en24 visited site, so he did what he had to do .

    September 28, 2013 at 2:05 pm Reply
  10. Myra

    Dude, you seriously need some english lessons. You also need a better editor, or at least run a spell check before you send to print.

    PS. Glev, you couldn’t look more butthurt if you tryed.

    September 28, 2013 at 2:18 pm Reply
    1. haveyouseenmybaseball

      Oh, the irony! If only he’d tryed harder!

      November 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm Reply
  11. Sigh

    Well in alot of points, this is correct.
    Without real paying customers there is no EVE online.
    I pay with real dollars for both my accounts, even though i could plex them both, because i understand that without money there is no EVE.
    If everyone was a paying customer then CCP would have alot more money to poor into content.
    I reguard plex players as nothing but freeloaders.
    This game is only 38 Australian dollars for 3 months witch is nothing.
    But as in real life you get scabs that think that they are owed something without paying for it
    Plex players=scabs.

    September 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm Reply
    1. Francisco Barciella

      The plex wasn’t created from nothing. It was sold. You can use plex and still help ccp.

      September 28, 2013 at 9:47 pm Reply
      1. CarlGustav

        I agree a PLEX comes from real currency some way or another. Thus they are not created from thin air and CCP gets there currency either from subscription or from PLEX or from GTC sales. As long as CCP gets there isk there is no issue with this.

        Yes there is a handful that have been used to steem the PLEX market but its minimal considering the amount on the market.

        PLEX serves as several things.

        – a way to minimize RMT (it puts a cap on the value of isk vs currency and risk vs rewards.)

        – give late adopters still a way to catch up, selling plex, buying chars, etc.

        – give early adopters a way to play for ingame currency. Aka free
        – gives the speculators something to invest in since the value of plex historicly have always been a good deal.

        – gives a very appealing idea to new players of playing a game for free….

        – give currency when purchased to CCP.

        September 28, 2013 at 10:10 pm Reply
        1. Playos

          PLEX buyers actually pay more per month of game time (At least in US Dollars, Pounds, and Euros… haven’t verified for Australia, Japan, Russia, ext)… Even a single month subscription is cheaper than a PLEX, at 3 or 6 months it’s quite a bit. PLEX is by and large a horrible investment (Poetic’s blog has a lovely analysis). Isk can be made with proper timing, but it’s long term. It’s the 6 month CD of eve.

          September 30, 2013 at 4:18 pm Reply
  12. bla

    ofcourse this miner creates content. It gives the PvP-er a target to shoot, that’s the content right there. If there would be only npc’s to shoot eve wouldn’t live much longer. People who pay for eve need an entire galaxy full of other players for them to keep coughing up their money, that’s why the somewhat free to play eve model works.

    September 28, 2013 at 3:38 pm Reply
  13. Nofearion

    Finally a post I can agree on … OMG what is the world coming too

    September 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm Reply
    1. Dikreathz

      well if you are agreeing maybe that says something about you!

      September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am Reply
  14. Justin May

    Used to like his posts………..

    September 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm Reply
  15. Not reading GG's shit anymore

    All he does is bash pve. Why does he still have a job. His posts are pretty much the same. Insert a rant about how pve players a trash, rename it something he thinks is catchy. Thats his formula and its pointless. Maybe hire some people who dont all share the same mind set and arent sucking the null sec blocks dick and we might get something worth reading

    September 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm Reply
  16. bob

    “If all the miners would quit EVE today, it wouldn’t affect the mineral supply, assuming CCP reacts to the market swing and creates some source.”

    I like that

    “What you do is worthless… as long as another entity[ccp] comes in and picks up the slack. And well if they don’t we’re screwed.”

    Kind of defeats the point goblin doesn’t it? Say someone is worthless but then admitting you’d need another force to replace them. I.E replacing miners with mineral seeding. And if ccp doesn’t want to mineral seed then if all miners disappeared, you’d all be s.o.l

    CCP has stated they want to move further and further away from having any NPC seeded goods at all. So saying someones position in this game is pointless and unimportant is really just ignorance on the argument that “you could be easily replaced by CCP with NPC”
    The arguments of your entire article are in every sense pointless

    September 29, 2013 at 1:17 am Reply
    1. Guest

      Well how realistic is the scenario that all miners disappear and CCP doesn’t seed the resources? Do you really think they would fold their arms and let their game die with the “told you so” attitude?

      September 29, 2013 at 8:59 am Reply
      1. Guest2

        They wouldnt need to, because if all the current miners disappeared you would have a new not just flood the gap to replace them as there would then be a huge hole in the market where profit would be made, CCP is adamant on the whole non interference and let us control our world. Hence over the years they have been steadily removing seeded items from the market.

        Miners make the ore
        builders buy the ore and make the ships
        other players buy the ships
        players gank the miners xD

        and this continues on an on in a more and more complex circle.

        and tbf CCP dont care if you sub thru their website or buy a plex from a 3rd party, they still get their cash either way its all the same.

        September 29, 2013 at 4:36 pm Reply
        1. A Merc

          In fact if we did loose all the miners for a few months it would be interesting but not disastrous. Even after sky high prices the remaining players would adapt by
          a) Using LP offers to acquire a select number of ships.
          b) Reprocess other ships / loot drops for minerals.
          c) Turn to mining themselves if it was more profitable that running incursions.

          People tend to forgot in 2004-2005 the most prized T2 goods used to sell for 20-30 mill a unit and in the case of T2 weaponry didn’t confer the strong bonuses as they do now.

          Eve would survive.

          October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm Reply
      2. John Masters

        They are stubborn Icelanders. They WOULD fold their arms and let the game die before changing their preordained game plan.

        October 3, 2013 at 2:08 am Reply
  17. just..no

    ctrl+f: gank
    First paragraph, post ignored. Request eve news stops giving this idiot attention.

    September 29, 2013 at 2:31 am Reply
  18. Kama Kairade

    GG, What are you smoking today? No, seriously. This Blue Dream isn’t doing it for me and I would very much like to take a big ole rip of whatever you’re packing. Perhaps this article will make sense then.

    September 29, 2013 at 3:11 am Reply
  19. JIeoH Mocc

    He really is clueless, isn’t he.
    There are no “free-playing” people in EvE…

    September 29, 2013 at 8:52 am Reply
  20. Guest

    Some random GG post about nothing in particular: 107 comments
    Jester’s Trek long and thoughtful post about the SOMER scandal: 16 comments

    If you hate GG so much, why do you keep sucking his cock so hard

    September 29, 2013 at 9:04 am Reply
    1. Filip Viruk Drab

      we hate Jester more?

      September 30, 2013 at 7:46 am Reply
  21. listview0

    you just dont get it. we are playing eve here. You are describing a totaly different game. And that means what you are saying makes just no sense. miners and carebears and the Plex-system are by eve-definitions part of Eve. And then… put it all together… their are REAL Cusomers. Believe it or not if miners would quit EVE today the whole idea of Eve would die, Eve would die. PvP-People allways say: “You Carebears do not understand Eve!” Sometimes that is very true.

    But right now i have to say…. you just dont get it.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:18 am Reply
  22. Dikreathz

    I liked some of your other articles … for making me feel like veteran who knows better you ought to be podded… historically the carebears are shat on but also always needed like american munition slaves, only advice for you is to go back to the forums read up on the history and grow like a friggin tree

    September 30, 2013 at 7:15 am Reply
  23. GunnerWolf

    If all the miners spontaneously left EVE and CCP were forced to change the way minerals work to compensate, it would kill the game. I guarantee the majority of non-miners would be unhappy with any way CCP would change it to compensate for a complete lack of miners. Think before you type next time

    October 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm Reply
  24. SOB-1989

    Understand what you mean but disagree completely…. EvE wouldn’t be EvE with NPC vendors, yes maybe in the beginning days of EvE NPCs were needed for the reasons you give BUT now if they returned and the miners “Carebears” were shunned it would undermine the whole point of EvE online….. BEING A PLAYER RUN GAME! I can’t haggle with NPC’s, I cant make detailed agreements with NPCs, nor would I be able to betray them or vice versa. It would cut a fundamental part of the game out…. so how about you stop crying about people crying.

    October 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm Reply

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