Minutes!  Writing minutes is about as much fun as PvE grinding, maybe about as much fun as structure grinding.

Well, nah.  It’s not that bad.  But it is a very structured sort of writing that eats a lot of time and is technically demanding.  It’s a bit like writing a book report, only you have to accurately report everything that every character says.  Fortunately, we’ve got the video recordings of most of the sessions.  Unfortunately, it’s most and not all because of all the technical issues that we had at the summit.  I myself had to write the minutes for one session this past week where no video existed at all!  Fortunately, I kept really good notes in Iceland during the proceedings so I was able to reproduce what happened.

Anyway, the process of writing the minutes this time started with long back-and-forth chats with CCP Dolan about what we could and could not write about.  Out of what I call 24 sessions, four of them were flatly NDA’ed right at the outset so those get pushed back to the last set of minutes that gets published.  That’s a pity because I’m really hip to write the minutes for one of those sessions, a project I’m really kind of excited about.

After that, we set up a list of the sessions that needed documenting and people started signing up for the sessions that interested them.  And then, unfortunately for several people who volunteered the process stopped cold right there.  I’m not naming names yet, but as of the time that I’m publishing this, only four of the fourteen CSM8 members have written one or more sessions, and only two — Trebor Daehdoow and myself — have written more than one.  Yes, I’m cracking the whip.  But no, I’m not ready to name names quite yet.  Fortunately, enough has been written at this point that we can send the first batch to Dolan for review, and hopefully from there to in front of your eyeballs soon.

Official meetings have started back up as well, with two this past week.  The first was a meeting about “project 1″ that we were briefed on at the first day of the summit.  The CSM had significant concerns about one small part of this project and CCP Fozzie was on vacation during the summit itself.  So he graciously agreed to meet with us outside of the normal cycle to listen to our concerns and hash them out.  I think it’s fair to say he did a great job of addressing those concerns and we’re feeling a lot more comfortable with the plans for this project.  Overall, I think EVE players are gonna be really pleased with it and I can’t wait to start writing about it.  “Project 1″ has a chance of being a quite literal game-changer in a lot of ways.

That was Monday.  Thursday was the day for our regularly scheduled stake-holder meeting with Team Five-0.  Owing to another round of the Icelandic death flu going around, this one was sparsely attended.  Still, we covered a lot of ground, including some follow-up information about “project 1″ from the Monday meeting and a couple of more minor items that Team Five-0 is also working on for winter.  Everything’s going smoothly and the CSM members present were able to provide feedback on the various items being worked on.

Discussion then turned to EVE Vegas, which Fozzie is going to be attending with CCP Rise as well as other CCP’ers.  I can’t remember if he let it slip here or at the SCL that same Saturday, but I think he managed to share a bit of information that will be the tipping point to get me to Vegas as well…

Other than the minutes and the meetings, normal CSM activities also continue.  We’re up to five major Skype channels with CCP now, an informal chat channel, a PvE-focused channel, and open dialogs with three of the four feature teams (with the fourth one coming soon, we’re told).  So kudos to Dolan there!  He’s really hustling to get CCPers communicating with CSM members and vice versa.  Activity on the forums is also spinning up.  So, plenty for CSM members to do, no doubt about it!

Externally, Trebor did an interview with the Down the Pipe podcast and Ali Aras has resumed regular Space Hangouts.

EDIT (18/Sep/2013): Updated with the link of Trebor’s interview.

The focus in the rest of the week is going to be getting more minutes sessions written and getting them cleared, then learning how these things get published.  Stay tuned!

Ripard Teg

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  1. Billbo

    FYI, CSM7 would of had the minutes out by now, I take it no one was writting minutes each day durning the summit eh?

    September 18, 2013 at 10:36 pm Reply
    1. ananomous

      LMAO… are you for real?

      September 19, 2013 at 1:58 am Reply
  2. Bob from the United Nations

    So expect the minutes to be released after the winter expansion right? o7

    September 18, 2013 at 11:05 pm Reply
  3. Guest

    There are 3 things that made ma stop playing eve..
    1. High sec ganking is not a game content and as soon as ccp will see that. More people would play pve but when some ass… can kill you with NO consequences it’s just stupid. All your hard work can be destroyed by 1 trasher/tornado if you do mining, hauling, production. This is stupid.

    (And don’t write about harsh world, it’s not harsh for gankers.).
    2. Latest radar/magneto site rework. The mini game is more irritating than fun. When you finally hack the can you have to catch cans… and thee loot is so ….poor.. if you catch the wrong cans 90% of time …
    3. There’s nothing to do in null sec.

    You got 2 thing there to do

    1 ratting belts or do anomalies (1,2 of type.) it’s gets more boring than doing lvl 4 missions …
    (I know pi etc …it’s not what we want).
    A lot of people say carebears should move out of hig sec ok. But we need more content to make them occupied. Ratting and mining in null is just f.. boring… We need more dynamic content.

    September 19, 2013 at 10:44 am Reply
    1. Filip Viruk Drab

      if you want to have fun you don’t play EVE. you play EVE if you are somewhat of a sociopath and you revel in the suffering of others. That’s why there’s scamming, ganking, gang banging on gates and all other forms of unfair play. If you want quality PVE content you play other MMOs.

      September 19, 2013 at 11:58 am Reply
    2. muh

      You are an idiot who never played eve b4 I geaz. Since there is so mutch more to do in eve. Even for carebears. And gankers are just a way to make sure idiots like you won’t make to mutch money

      September 19, 2013 at 11:59 am Reply
      1. Guest

        What else ? I gave you three examples what is wrong. Give me 3 other things that are ok that you can do in high sec and are not influenced by ganking …

        September 19, 2013 at 1:00 pm Reply
        1. duh

          it’s pretty easy to not get ganked. Just dont haul billions in t1 haulers, learn to properly fitt and fly your ships and dont go super retard on officer modules if running missions. simple. As of ganking miners, well there is plenty of ways to counter gankers but alas there will allways be those who will gank you even if it is not profitable, however odds of this can be lowered by actually fitting a tank on them mining ships. Null Sec has plenty of stuff to do and it is actually probably the safest place to do ratting etc since it is very very hard to catch observant ratter that is not a full retard. Alas this will ofc happen eventually but hey ho, thats why you make them isk.

          September 19, 2013 at 1:26 pm Reply
          1. guest

            Hauling/ rating in multi B stuff is ……
            But ganking haulers that have on board (ship price – insurance 4kk -60kk ) is just sick. Killing a buzzard with sister’s expanded probe launcher 40kk+) by 4kk destroyer is worth even 10 tries 1 succes makes it 0 cost. Is this ok ?

            It’s not about losing stuff. But the balance between risk/reward …
            It’s just stupid that criminal flag lasts for few minutes and the amount of ss loss is just silly. Is it normal that you can take only 3% load of your freighter because if you load 4% someone can gank you.???.
            And the mining ship ganking we all know it’s only do to force market movement for moon go. Why there is no next hulkagedon ??? it’s not so profitable any more …

            September 19, 2013 at 1:50 pm
  4. Guest

    Is it just me or are minutes essentially just individual CSM member evaluation tool? It’s not like we will learn anything about the game’s future from them, that’s all still NDA.

    September 19, 2013 at 1:54 pm Reply
  5. About half the people on this CSM made me sigh when the name list was revealed, so it comes as no shock that people are not pulling their weight. If your scared to out them as to ruin your working relationship, ask Dolan to do it. The chance to work along side the development team of a game you play and you can’t be arsed to do alittle typing, laughable.

    September 19, 2013 at 2:02 pm Reply
    1. Yahahiuy

      “Hey look at me! I got a CSM tag and you don’t! What? huh? Am I supposed to do more? I thought the forumvote war was it? There is more?”

      September 19, 2013 at 2:55 pm Reply

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