Eve produces a lot of things from tears, to friendships, most of Iceland’s GDP, to speculative informal essay articles of relative importance with which I somehow manage to frustrate so many tryhard neckbeards posting with their alts. Don’t expect some revolutionary revelation you insta gratification addict you. This is one of those articles and by the end I hope to make you as upset as possible.

Alright maybe not. I’m not really one of those types of people that finds their self importance in harvesting “tears” and rageposts. I can try to pretend that I am at times for the sake of Eve appearances. I cannot say, however, that certain episodes of frustration from previous articles has not made me smirk. What comes to mind was when I made a vague statement concerning some Eve entity and communism. In retaliation I had several internet commissars coming out of the woodwork claiming my ignorance on the subject and explaining the virtues of the international proletariat. Very serious stuff.

If articles were bars, I wouldn’t be the type serving shots straight down. I’d have the patio and the wine. A surprising amount of people here actually appreciate that, but you also have the guys that just “wanna have a shot bruh” meaning they want short quick blocks of text getting to the point and letting you go on about your day. That’s not the experience that I want to provide. As a historian (little h for now, I’ll wait a few more decades more) I could riddle your internet screen with dry ibid bits, but seeing that i’m reserving that methodology for more important subjects, you’ll just have to be happy with my patio wine rambling.

Fountain War in retrospect

So this summer, perhaps the most relevant 0.0 political change is of course the Fountain War. You had the G8 of Eve entities fighting it out with the result being a full TEST/Tribal evacuation of Fountain, Delve and Period Basis in favor of the GoonFed led CFC. Let us now consider some factors that brought us to the present state of events.

The Goons are winning Eve. Put all your butthurt and rage away, step away from your own bias, frustration, self victimization and cries of injustice. They simply are. They have a beautifully organized coalition, dedicated leadership, a vision of what they want to be and their sights on their goals. I’ll just say it. They’re the Roman Empire of Eve. Now I know some of you are going to jump out of your chairs and list to me all the ways they are not. To you I say, shut up, don’t care, it’s not a direct correlation, please stop, nobody is impressed. But for all intensive purposes, they are Eve’s Roman Empire. They’ve created a coalition of alliances that are just strong enough to be useful, but too weak to challenge their primacy. When TEST stopped filling that role, they were axed. The CFC invasion of Fountain did not happen with Montolio sitting at the helm, the supposedly crazy guy that wanted to have not fun sov war, nor when those other guys nobody cares to remember ran the alliance, but once Booda took over. And then sov war became fun again.

Now I poke a bit of fun at the CFC’s narrative concerning the invasion of Fountain, but by all means it was a very smart and capable move. Now I never really buy into conspiracy theories neither in the real world or in Eve. It isn’t because I don’t think people make these plans and then attempt to follow through, but because human nature is so unpredictable, rarely does the conspiracy’s initial goal and result match. The CFC probably had a general idea of how they wanted to pursue this war, pulled what strings they could and things fell into place in part due to their planning and in part due to random causality. In any case Fountain was struck at the optimal time. Montolio’s departure from the leadership caused unrest within TEST. Worse of all, ever since TEST and PL had their fling, many of the capable people jumped over to PL. After all you get tired of being in the “shit alliance” and it’s nice to be seen as “elite” simply by virtue of the entity that you fall under.

In any case, with all of the CFC’s comical early campaign problems such as losing their station egg to welping some fairly sizable fleets, one factor was known to all the people of position in the war. TEST didn’t really have an officer class. If there ever had been capable TEST FCs, not too many were present any longer. In essence, TEST was completely reliant on N3’s field leadership. Unfortunately TEST never held 0.0 sov by its own merit. And I don’t mean to be harsh here, but let’s face it. The Goons made, fed, organized and developed TEST. Without that crutch, it was only a matter of time before sov was lost. Only now can TEST truly develop itself and I for one look forward to see where Booda takes TEST. I was glad to see that he took TEST to an NPC 0.0 region as suggested to develop FCs via small gang. Anyway, getting back to our war, TEST was only going to stand a chance in Fountain for as long as N3 + PL thought there was a chance to inflict casualties on the CFC. Although Nulli drew a line in the sand stating that the raison detre of N3 was to destroy the CFC, NCdot knew better than to provide propaganda points for the CFC. Drawing a line in the sand means you have to stay and defend it rather than take steps back and farm kills. PL knew better than anyone, if you don’t claim something outright then nobody can say they took it from you. All in all you had the major factor of distrust between N3/PL’s officer class and TEST’s grunt level capabilities.

Who could say what would have happened if N3/PL went full in and committed all resources both “physical” and intellectual. In the end, the fall of Fountain was a triumph of organization and logistics on the part of The CFC. The more interesting aspect of the war’s results is the shift in CFC ideology, specifically the Goon idea concerning renting and scamming.

Before….renting = bad….scamming = good
Now…renting = good….scamming = bad

This is not a criticism, simply stating that the ideological shift has been a complete 180 and while certain leaders and line members will try to bend every which way to make it not seem like a contradiction. However, truth be told, this is exactly the “farms and fields” idea that’s been expressed previously. Renters are a good thing. They bring people out of High Sec where 10v1 insta popping things off the Jita undock is considered pvp and settles the wide expanses of 0.0 where pvp can vary from small gang to megalithic blobathons. There’s no real point in trying to poke the CFC in the eye over a renting program. Of course you’re going to use your territory to profit off of it and complaining about it changes nothing. The CFC, and of course the Goons, will be here for as long as rival entities like N3 avoid direct conflict with them.

Goons’ break up with Pandemic Legion… :sadface: …oh hey there sexy Black Legion how you doin’?

Well, what can I say. This is what happens when you base your relationships on material things like tech. Sure PL, you’re the sexy blonde bombshell that everyone secretly covets even if to your face they may be standoffish at first and swear they hate you, they’ll come around *cough* Makalu *cough*. But some say you might be getting a little old. The lines and wrinkles are starting to show, and usually that wouldn’t matter since you can still turn the tricks easy enough, you got the experience, the longevity, the assets etc. You still scare the crap out of pretty much anyone flying anything bigger than a battleship. But you aren’t the only one in the picture. Who’s that raven haired 22 year old vixen we keep hearing about? Oh that’s Black Legion…no she won’t commit to a relationship but she won’t leave her shit over the CFC’s house either. She takes her pay in the morning, she’s in the bar making out with whoever she wants cause she does what she wants when she wants wherever she wants, wuteva wuteva.

Alright enough of that non sense. The point being made here is that the CFC had originally maintained good relations with Pandemic Legion via the tech cartel. With that gone, they periodically hire/pay tribute to Black Legion to add a little extra oomph in a particular region…or just pay not to get oomphed. The rivalry between the two Legions further divide them into their specific camps. Although BL is not an outright member of the CFC by any stretch of the imagination, and often do break their stuff, the CFC knows BL won’t actually challenge the CFC on anything meaningful and a little bit of money really greases the wheels. PL so far has been a pretty good ally of the N3 coalition minus a Nulli Nyx altercation.

There seemed to be a really good chance that the two Legions would clash in Querious. NCdot initially said they would answer the challenge but since BL ditched Retirement Club hard, it seems NCdot is now taking up hunting up north instead. All in all I really look forward to a possible meaningful conflict between the two and seeing how the fie of BL matches up with the experience of PL. Both have their strengths and weaknesses although they both fall under the “elite nomad catagory.” In truth they both bleed just as any other alliance. In large part this image of untouchability comes from never providing an enemy a viable target to hit. Time will tell if PL maintains the mantle it has always held and if BL fizzles out. Although I could be wrong, I feel as though BL lacks a specific goal or aim for their existance. Then again I’ve always been the type that wanted to play Eve for a reason beyond just stacking names on the killboard that doesn’t much matter in the long run. Others however are satisfied simply with that.

The South will Rise!

I spent a lot of time blowing up AAA + allies in HED-GP with Bombers Bar back in 2012 summer when fleet compositions rarely if ever numbered more than 14 or so bombers and if we got lucky some sort of recon support. Fleets went out every day, sometimes twice a day and on occassion we’d host week long “forever fleets” taxing anything we could passing through the system. I personally received two ransom offers, one from Cascade Imminent and one from a certain AAA FC at the time who out of respect to our agreement, won’t be named. A couple bil didn’t seem heavy enough in our pocket so nothing really came of it, but it was still good content and fun to have the interaction.

Even so it has been extremely pleasant to see AAA return out of NPC Stain and taking back their old territory. What can I say? I’ve always liked the story of the underdog which is why I have a level of respect for Russian alliances. Somewhere between the CFC led North/West and the N3 aligned South/East, there is an independent coalition composed of various Eastern European Alliances which could best be considered a sort of “Neo-StainWagon.” And I am truly curious to see where they go. Perhaps they will be nonchalant, unmotivated and fairly passive now that they have some sov. Perhaps we will see some East European zeal and fire. Just as likely, the various sides may fall to disagreement just as well. What can be said for sure however is that this “Neo-StainWagon” coalition has gone through many hardships that would have been the end of many other entities.

TEST in Curse

With some of the largest and most prominent corporations jumping to Goonswarm, it is hard to know what exactly TEST is left with aside from Dreddit.

I honestly don’t know if this is the case or not but it may be wise for TEST to ally with the N3 coalition and/or make friends with the newly reborn AAA and their allies. I would maintain the Curse deployment for the sake of small gang pvp experience as simply clumping with another entity right now brings TEST back to its original problem of having too many Indians and hardly any Chiefs. Unless there is some gross mismanagement of TEST narrative, I don’t see the alliance vanishing any time too soon. Being rooted in a non Eve community (Reddit) and having a large player base that have only known TEST from the very start, you are left with a fairly sizable number.

A last note

I just wanted to address the new EULA rule change. I’ve never been one to scam people as i’m too unmotivated to put that much effort into something like that. But I really think any constraint that CCP puts on an Eve player’s options hurts the community as a whole. Go after the RMTers and the botters. Leave the scammers alone. The wild wild west sand box type thing we got going is pretty nice, don’t screw it up. Also…Soundwave, Zulu….LoL? Seriously? Not even Dota2…but LoL?…

– Seraph IX Basarab


  1. Akrasjel Lanate

    “Now I never really buy into conspiracy theories neither in the real world or in Eve.”

    Beacause questioning the official stories and the status quo is bad… mkay


    September 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Oh I completely agree with that sentiment. You have to pick and choose. Sometimes you end up giving people too much credit.

      September 14, 2013 at 6:28 pm Reply
  2. Kama Kairade

    “But for all intensive purposes”

    should be

    “But for all intents and purposes”

    September 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm Reply
    1. Number of fucks given...


      September 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm Reply
      1. anon

        make that ONE, since you obviously gave a fuck

        September 14, 2013 at 1:08 am Reply
    2. imfromreddit

      came here to post this….

      September 14, 2013 at 4:16 pm Reply
  3. Sold

    “a historian” should be “an historian”. I can forgive that one. But “for all intensive purposes” literally made me double facepalm. It should be “for all intents and purposes”. I never even heard “for all intensive purposes” until I started playing eve.

    September 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm Reply
    1. Just Checkin'

      Actually I think that it depends on how you spell it.
      The “H” in “Historian” can be silent or not and both ways of spelling it are valid.
      So… If the “H: is silent then you say “An historian” but if “H” is not silent then its “A historian”..

      September 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm Reply
      1. English

        No it doesn’t, it’s an historian. Don’t listen to silly American websites. Also the guy 2 above is right, the journalistic quality of en24 is terrible, especially from English speaking writers. You can forgive spelling errors and stuff, no1 can be bothered to go bk and correct. To not know the difference between the meaning of intensive and intents is laughable

        September 14, 2013 at 1:35 pm Reply
    2. I literally hate humans

      Did you understand what he posted? Yes? Then STFU…

      September 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm Reply
    3. If you are going to. . .

      Be a grammar nazi, at least try and be correct. . .


      September 14, 2013 at 1:08 am Reply
  4. Billbo

    PL has -A-IDS and will continue to be soft from renting o7

    September 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm Reply
  5. Dirk MacGirk

    Worth the read just for the whore-like description of PL/BL. One of the few article where I got a legit chuckle while reading.

    September 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm Reply
  6. I just do not know

    Again another good read.

    September 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm Reply
    1. capt obvious

      You are correct. You do not know…what you are talking about.

      September 15, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
  7. Marcus

    Stopped reading at “They’re the Roman Empire of Eve.” Someone that clearly doesn’t know anything about history should not being making stupid historical analogy. Rome has nothing what so ever to do with internet spaceships, stop forcing stupid analogy’s. One is a historical empire based off the Latin culture, and created Christianity, the other is a internet spaceship empire build around capitalism, and created nothing of note. One is nothing like the other.

    Can nobody make an argument without referencing Rome, World War 2, or Game of Thrones, bunch of retards in this community.

    September 13, 2013 at 7:38 pm Reply
    1. Helican

      Quit being a neckbeard douche.

      September 13, 2013 at 9:54 pm Reply
    2. ,,l,,

      Another self aware posting shit stain impressive…

      September 13, 2013 at 10:15 pm Reply
    3. Nc.

      Oh look i took a western civ 101 class in college, look how much I know about history!! Stfu you’re retarded

      September 14, 2013 at 12:27 am Reply
    4. lulz

      I need a Rome, WW2, or GoT’s analogy, or I don’t know what the fuck is going on…..

      September 14, 2013 at 3:18 am Reply
    5. This could be you.....

      “….with which I somehow manage to frustrate so many tryhard neckbeards posting with their alts. Don’t expect some revolutionary revelation you insta gratification addict you.” and “Now I know some of you are going to jump out of your chairs and list to me all the ways they are not. To you I say, shut up, don’t care, it’s not a direct correlation, please stop, nobody is impressed.”

      You are ‘That Guy’. Seraph knew you were coming. Congratulations on making him right. And smile. You probably should have read a little more before making yourself look retarded.

      September 14, 2013 at 9:03 am Reply
      1. Puig

        He knew it was coming because he knew it was stupid to compare them, yet he went ahead and compared them anyways. Is anyone really impressed that the guy called out that his stupid comparison was in fact going to be called out? Were people not suppose to call out his stupid comparison simply because he knew it was going to be called out for what it was?

        It’s like me saying Elo is like Robb Stark, but I’m not really going to explain why but rather say that anyone that disagrees is just trying to show off because you read the book, and I only watched the show, and to that I just say shut up, nobody cares they you read the books.

        The guy knew it was such a bad comparison that he spent a half a paragraph not explaining why he thought so, but that he really didn’t care if it was historically a good comparison, and anyone that disagrees with his wild comparison that he knew would be called out as stupid should just shut up as he doesn’t care that it’s stupid.

        September 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I have no idea why people get so angry over things I write. I wonder if you acted like this in real life, how well you would function in a social setting. I’m guessing not very well. Anyway I will go out of my way to explain this to you and will further offer the pleasure of knowing my wife is terrible mad at me for wasting time on a “stupid video game website” rather than finish packing. *sadface*

          So when I made the analogy I was referring to Rome’s height of power around Trajan’s reign. Rome had extended more or less to its maximum logistical capability and in that sense I don’t see the Goons trying to invade Catch or take over any of the Drone Regions. Instead they are happy with their federation of allies, coalition of willing (and some unwilling) and generally enjoying their victory. Over all they are the undisputed super power, as Rome was. You sort of hear some far off cries from the far east about some other somewhat powerful entity (N3/Persia) but neither entity really wants to go all out at the other.

          That’s really as far as it goes. And as I stated, historically speaking it isn’t a 1 for 1 analogy. I’m terribly sorry that the analogy brought such a low quality of expression from you and I urge you reconsider your approach, for your own self betterment. No need to be that upset.

          Take care.

          September 15, 2013 at 6:57 pm Reply
          1. conny

            Poor you!
            You write some of the dumbest shit on the internet, trying to push an overly obvious agenda, and then defend yourself with silly laments about how terribly victimized you are when somebody points it out. Does this sound familiar? Maybe a certain American President comes to mind?
            This is classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You should seek treatment.
            A little advice.
            Your personality type is only suited for trolling forums, not writing op-ed pieces that will inevitably be challenged and picked apart by more thoughtful people. You have neither the drive to actually study your material and present it in a reasonable way, nor the thick skin and calm analytical skills required to address a challenge to your piece without looking silly.
            But seriously, get help.

            September 15, 2013 at 8:29 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Its a video game article. You’re the mad one.

            September 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm
          3. MADD TV

            UHRRYBODY IS SOOOOO MAD!!!!!
            LOL. Cry some more for me. Every time you drop that card I get a nut.

            September 18, 2013 at 1:40 am
          4. lulz

            wow dude you sound like some raging washout has been loser jaded ex gf or something

            September 16, 2013 at 4:29 pm
          5. call obama

            quote:”wow dude you sound like some raging washout has been loser jaded ex gf or something”


            What…in the hell…is this supposed to mean?
            That comment, whatever it’s supposed to be, is the very definition of illiteracy. I can only attribute it to the public school system in the U.S. that simultaneously fails to teach Americans even the most basic skills, AND brainwashes them into believing that they are the most perfect creatures ever shat upon the earth by whatever war god they worship these days.

            September 18, 2013 at 1:48 am
          6. 127 Wats?

            In all honesty, I fail to see an ulterior motive or agenda here, just a state of EvE with an insertion of humor, which naturally offends most the folks here. I’m sure if he decried every wrong against whoever you like and shoved his lips into the colon of [Insert Idol Here] in high praise, you wouldn’t be posting here. Except maybe to say well done, looks fair and balanced to me. You seem to have a classic case of Down Syndrome.
            If someone can give a nice objective reason as to why this is a bad article, maybe someone will listen. Otherwise it details the current state of a selection of major EvE powers and what they are doing with commentary. And nothing was inaccurate at the time of writing except some grammar and some out of game academics (arguably so). Take thy splerg, and head to TMC.

            September 17, 2013 at 2:00 am
          7. 47chromo

            There are three types of Down Syndrome, all of which require direct VISUAL observation to diagnose.
            Now…don’t you feel retarded?

            September 17, 2013 at 4:48 am
          8. Rob Travers

            I honestly think Romes height in power was actually during the Republic, certainly an argument can be made that it expanded at a faster rate in the 500 or so years as the Republic, then it did 700 years as the Empire. This is why you shouldn’t even try to force an analogy, just say what you want to say as plain as you can. Forcing an analogy that many people may not even know very much about….. like say…. Rome? isn’t going to help anyone understand any better to be honest.

            Plain and simply analogy are stupid, you can actually explain something much better by just plainly talking about it. People won’t get lost in you’re writing if you don’t use analogy’s, or metaphors. I mean you do what you want, but just know people will call you out on it every time.

            September 15, 2013 at 8:34 pm
          9. Dark Distric

            “Brevity is the soul of wit.” ― William Shakespeare
            This just means, don’t waste my time, just keep in nice and simple and everyone will understand you better.

            September 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm
      2. Rob Travers

        The empire analogy was rather retarded to be honest, not sure why you are mad that he got called out on such a bad analogy. The fact that the writer knew he was going to be called out on it, and wrote a paragraph about how he didn’t care that it was a bad analogy is rather funny, as he probably put a lot of thought into if he would use it at all, and even though he knew it was bad he used it anyways. Perfect example bad writing, and not caring that it is in fact bad writing.

        September 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm Reply
    6. Seraph IX Bassarab

      I was referencing the power dynamics in a very loose manner as I went on to explain. Sorry that was difficult for you to grasp.

      September 14, 2013 at 6:25 pm Reply
      1. heh.....

        You should have made an analogy about Syria, Mittani could have been Obama(everyone blames Mittani for everything), Mactep could have been Putin(ha! both Russian!), and and PL could have been Bashar Assad(they’re the bad guys in you’re story, right?). It’s a better analogy simply because it’s more current in out pop. culture…. got to learn to strike well the irons hot.

        September 15, 2013 at 12:02 am Reply
  8. Inigo Montoya

    Good read. Looking forward to the butthurt comments.

    September 14, 2013 at 2:18 am Reply
  9. stating the obvious

    Didn’t need the unrelated Rome analogy, like some other dude said it’s stupid to compare real life, or TV shows to our internet spaceships game, they actually have nothing in common, and saying they do is rather ridiculous.

    September 14, 2013 at 3:22 am Reply
  10. INKer

    All I can say is that I’m fine with TEST losing all their shit. Karma for all the friendlies they thought it was funny to shoot after the fight ended (often near bil. isk tengus etc) that werent reimbursed. So, you can see why most of N3 couldnt give a shit about TEST. What goes around comes around.

    September 14, 2013 at 3:52 am Reply
    1. you are still here ?

      You are from INK .. you don’t matter lol

      September 14, 2013 at 6:32 am Reply
      1. INKer

        Ur prolly from one of the many alliances we have destroyed….

        September 14, 2013 at 4:54 pm Reply
        1. you are still here ?

          I am actually in an alliance that you cant exist with out. Be honest, you cant do anything with out us having your back. Face it. No matter how INK spins it. You are pets :) sorry for being brutally honest lol

          September 15, 2013 at 12:59 am Reply
  11. Andy Cap

    ” But for all intensive purposes” Really? Try intents.

    September 14, 2013 at 4:09 am Reply
    1. nice

      LOL! Somehow I missed that one when reading this garbage. Maybe because I couldn’t stay interested past the first paragraph.
      I love the illiterate. They are just so cute!

      September 14, 2013 at 4:46 pm Reply
    2. Bak


      But I give him 10 points for taking the time to write. Most of it was a good read but he spent too much time trying to ward off critics. Like me I guess.

      Thanks for writing.

      September 14, 2013 at 4:50 pm Reply
    3. snickers

      Guess the tongue in cheek part flew over your head.

      September 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm Reply
    4. im just super saying

      I dont think English is his first language. Considering that he seems to know english better than 90 percent of the other people writing here or on “the other” website…

      September 15, 2013 at 6:47 pm Reply
  12. Dinsdale Pirannha

    Who the fuck are you? Are you a failed lawyer alt?

    That being said, yeah. goons run Eve. Their income is insane, but has to be, when you consider the RMT demands on that income.

    We can only hope that the loss of the goon lead game designer will put a crimp in the goon operations, but I doubt it. goons have always been about subterfuge, and I am sure there are many more goon plants within CCP to continue making a mockery of “catching the botters and RMT’ers”.

    I so wish I could meet in real life some of the members who run the goon cabal.

    September 14, 2013 at 5:17 am Reply
    1. Rinsey Rohan

      Instead of repeatedly sobbing and raging about RMT, can’t you just ask mummy for a bit more coin in your allowance? Surely it would be easier to babysit or clean houses for the extra you need to buy those sparkly gogo boots than to complain over and over about how the other girls have so much.

      September 14, 2013 at 4:39 pm Reply
  13. Brian C McKinley

    About the fountain war. Is everyone happy that 3/4 of the map is CFC territory?

    September 14, 2013 at 8:58 am Reply
    1. random guy

      and now count regions: cfc – 11, 12?
      still 18? 19? regions not in cfc hands…
      not even close to 3/4 of the map

      September 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm Reply
    2. Zigmund Fraud

      I don’t really care.
      But I love the tears from everyone who feels that somehow evil is afoot when everything is not exactly how they feel it should be.
      Do you need to talk about it with someone?

      September 14, 2013 at 4:34 pm Reply
  14. Just saying

    This guy is worse the Goblin, and Poetic.

    September 14, 2013 at 3:50 pm Reply
  15. Provi Miner

    Make no mistake goon leadership knows the value of renters. Make no mistake all of the line members understand the same value. Make no mistake a lot of line members don’t give no F*ck for value to the alliance, and only care about their own personal content. If that content invloves setting up renters to be blown away then so be it, they will do it (of couse most will be smart and use neut alts, after a good scouting using a blue main).

    September 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm Reply
  16. Muck Tween

    Was this “article” written to showcase self idolatry?
    A little less flipfloppy, warstory, and ass pulling would improve your writing.
    Maybe some actual information about the topic would help as well.

    September 14, 2013 at 4:28 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Self Idolatry? Where did I do that?

      September 15, 2013 at 6:00 pm Reply
  17. Stab_My_Eyes


    It’s “all intents and purposes” not “all intensive purposes”. Stopped reading after that…

    September 17, 2013 at 10:35 pm Reply
    1. lol

      We yelled at him a week ago for this, its all good man, he learned.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:45 pm Reply

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