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Yay! the Marauder rebalance has certainly be one of the hot topics this week in the EVE-O forums, in case you missed it one of the most controversial issues was the scrapping of the webifier bonuses in exchange for an increased turret fall-off for both the Palading and the Kronos, well CCP Games listened the player’s feedback and posted:

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module – instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.

We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.

Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can’t really turn when it’s active anyway, and we don’t want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

You can keep reading the thread here and be part of the discussion, we’ll keep an eye in this thread.

55 Comments

  1. sister_uta

    Thus died the only chance local reps had of becoming a thing in pvp

    September 5, 2013 at 12:58 am Reply
    1. will

      oh yeah, requiring billion isk ships for local reps cool idea

      September 5, 2013 at 1:13 am Reply
      1. en24 sucks balls

        sorry youre so poor.

        September 5, 2013 at 1:47 am Reply
        1. Ashesofempires

          Billion ISK BS hulls are not the only point at which PvP is done.

          September 5, 2013 at 1:52 am Reply
          1. goonswarmadvocate

            who cares about reterded PVP in eve?
            It’s so retarded that even wow is better

            September 5, 2013 at 9:15 am
          2. Gebir

            LOL

            September 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    2. Maximus Decimal

      A…S…B…

      September 5, 2013 at 2:50 am Reply
  2. derp

    well shit….guess i wont train marauders

    September 5, 2013 at 1:09 am Reply
    1. Star Citizen

      ^^that

      thanks ccp

      September 5, 2013 at 1:36 am Reply
      1. RSI

        Star Citizen ftw :) cannot wait for the game to be released

        September 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm Reply
    2. mmmmmmmmm

      if you did not train it yet, and were not using it, why are you complaining?

      September 5, 2013 at 7:38 am Reply
      1. Ur Stupid

        Because the original re-balance looked good, and many people were about to train for marauders because they liked the looks of them… Now, not so much.

        September 5, 2013 at 11:24 am Reply
  3. Soulxlight

    Wow . . . they listened to players and then some . . . they listened so well they completely made that Bastion module pointless . . .

    September 5, 2013 at 1:50 am Reply
  4. WHAT THE FUCK

    You bastards. The tanking bonus was what made marauders marauders. Now whats the common denominator, fucking tractor beams. This is horse shit

    September 5, 2013 at 3:27 am Reply
  5. ???

    What kind of players did you listen to? people swimming in moon gold and dont need pve ships?

    September 5, 2013 at 4:04 am Reply
  6. CombatCameraMan

    WOW….Way to dork up a perfectly good ship! WHO is gonna take a billion isk ship pvping…..NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    September 5, 2013 at 5:30 am Reply
    1. mmmmmmmmmmmm

      you would be surprised

      September 5, 2013 at 7:37 am Reply
    2. Muul Udonii

      Heard of T3s? Faction Battleships? Capitals? Slightly blinged logi? Slightly blinged regular BS? T2 Warfare link clones?

      Lots of people PvP in expensive stuff; stop being poor!

      September 5, 2013 at 8:56 am Reply
    3. buhahahahah

      every jerk with super caps or titan
      true story bro

      September 5, 2013 at 9:09 am Reply
    4. poorfag

      aeehhh, pretty much everyone these days? it´s not 2004 anymore.

      September 5, 2013 at 9:30 am Reply
    5. Blobs Aren't the Only PvP

      Navy Apocs were never what you would call “Cheap”. Nor T3 Cruisers….Nor pirate ships….Come to think of it, there are plenty of ships that are a bil+ that get used. Especially in Wormholes and a little less in small/solo pvp. Lets not even talk about capitals (Orca does not count).

      September 5, 2013 at 11:07 am Reply
    6. Ur Stupid

      Oh how little you know about PvP.

      September 5, 2013 at 11:22 am Reply
  7. Darth Nefarius

    So what this all translates to is huge nerf to the Marauders outside of BM? And in BM it still ain’t worth much.

    September 5, 2013 at 5:49 am Reply
    1. Darth Nefarius

      OK its not as bad as I first thought… its getting 7.5% per level optimal boost per level in exchange for -3.5% webb boosts per level and a tank hit in most cases outside of BM.
      So it becomes a supercharged NAPOC

      September 5, 2013 at 6:07 am Reply
  8. Stop

    Worse than before…

    September 5, 2013 at 6:05 am Reply
  9. Navo

    Are you serious? ??

    September 5, 2013 at 6:16 am Reply
  10. Rhoaden

    T2 resis with tracking and range bonus + web bonus even thou it’s nerfed is much better then the useless crap they had befor . im asumming that with t2 resis it well be much like the old 5% vs 7.5% tank only change it that the 5% resis is not depending on your skill’s which is great.

    September 5, 2013 at 6:30 am Reply
  11. Testei

    Well how about if your not going to do the change as listed in the original form, you leave them alone instead of completely screwing them over by removing the tank bonus which makes a Marauder a Marauder instead of a BS.

    September 5, 2013 at 7:12 am Reply
  12. Muul Udonii

    I quite like the new ideas behind marauders. I’ve never actually flown one, but now I’m thinking about getting two; one for PvE and one for PvP.

    September 5, 2013 at 8:57 am Reply
    1. fat joe

      you keep your highsec stupidity off the forums

      September 5, 2013 at 1:24 pm Reply
      1. Muul Udonii

        High sec? Null sec stupidity, TYVM!

        September 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm Reply
    2. GSection

      Why not make make Scalding Pass your first stop with that PVP fit ship so we can all admire it.

      September 5, 2013 at 4:04 pm Reply
  13. kees

    sucky changes…. think ill sell both my marauders assap…. ty ccp for breaking something that was working fine instead of spending time on creating new stuff -_-

    September 5, 2013 at 10:56 am Reply
    1. Dave The Rave

      Oh dear, and i bet you were one of the ones complaining about half finished and rushed releases, please unsub and spare us your tears

      September 5, 2013 at 2:17 pm Reply
  14. Ryan Easte

    “Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in today’s warship technology. While especially effective at support suppression and wreckage salvaging, they possess comparatively weak sensor strength and may find themselves at increased risk of sensor jamming. Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines.”

    Right. Hard Hitting?, Thick Skinned? Long Trips behind enemy lines?

    I say nay.

    September 5, 2013 at 11:04 am Reply
  15. Keep Calm and Head to Forums

    Okay, the changes blow. We get it. But stop with this “Oh, wasting time, fire sale!” crap. The changes have not come yet. Hop on the forums and speak up. CCP is very attentive about this stuff. Remember how many changes were made to the Iteron? I’m pretty sure they will give more attention to the marauders. Seriously. No whining until they RELEASE the crappy changes.

    September 5, 2013 at 11:13 am Reply
    1. Follow the Smart People

      Word.

      September 5, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
    2. Jordan Geldart

      Its true. While most of CCP design the changes, do all the work and then ask for feedback (normally when there isn’t time to do anything) CCP Rise is different. He always asks early and there has always been time to adjust he first draft and sometimes even the second/third.

      If you aren’t happy go to the forums and put other ideas forward. Look at how feedback changed industrials. All of CCP aren’t like Hilmar and his designer jeans.

      September 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm Reply
  16. LOL.

    i would have liked the original idea a lot more.

    September 5, 2013 at 11:14 am Reply
  17. Heidi

    Confirming the Palading is a thing.

    September 5, 2013 at 2:12 pm Reply
    1. Daniel Plain

      you mean a ding.

      September 5, 2013 at 4:23 pm Reply
  18. Kadeshi Grunt

    Sigh…everytime CCP have a good idead, they think twice and just shit everywhere instead…i can understand dropping the resistence bonuses, but, now, marauders are even worse then before !!!! It would be better if they don´t change then at all. Web bonuses ? I present you the Vindicator. And where is the diversity of powers from each race ? Now they´re just the same, with the pnly difference being the type of weapon bonus, in pair with the racial weapon !

    September 5, 2013 at 2:15 pm Reply
  19. Wonder

    Is this so they are somehow better in the EVE tourney? Cause I don’t see them anywhere else where this change could be considered necessary.

    September 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm Reply
  20. CCP customer

    Stasis Webifier is for tacklers, not for BS. I play this game looong, and I never fit web on marauder regardless of ship bonus, it is just waste slot that works stricte on close. If I would like to have webbed targets I would bring week old noob to tackle targets for me.. not BS that required 1 year of skilling.

    September 5, 2013 at 4:52 pm Reply
    1. Dave The Rave

      Then you are a idiot

      September 5, 2013 at 5:02 pm Reply
    2. Hikaru Kuroda

      Your words says that you never faced a Vindicator/Marauder before.

      Go do some PvP to see a -90% velocity factor in action.

      September 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm Reply
  21. Gg

    I give up on you CCP the rail rebalance was the last good thing you did and I feel it will be the last good thing until you litteraly destroy this game.

    September 5, 2013 at 7:20 pm Reply
    1. Fa gamer

      Had a good idea here but the fucked it up again

      September 5, 2013 at 7:21 pm Reply
  22. WhiteHalo117

    The bastion mode is retarded as all hell. Lets just get it over with, leave everything the same but give them sensor strength and t2 resists ffs. Everyone wins! This special snowflake nonsense needs to stop.

    September 5, 2013 at 9:17 pm Reply
  23. asd

    such a stupid name for a module, just reminds of ‘Bastions Buddies’ from GTA IV.

    September 6, 2013 at 12:49 pm Reply
  24. Marauders Suck.

    Marauders suck. Total waste of training time. Raven beats a Golum every time. Kronos is shite.
    Train Black Ops, at least they have some benefit.

    September 10, 2013 at 2:01 am Reply
    1. That guy who flew a vargur

      I wasted my time training for the vargur (rip my fav bs) and then ccp pulled this shit. I’ve totally had to revise my combat doctrine.

      September 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
  25. That apocalypse navy guy

    I fight long range and personally think that the golem and the paladin getting a bonus to stasis webs is crap. Golems are more for cruise missiles anyway. And last I knew the paladin, a tech two apocalypse is a sniper. My point is. This is making everything the same by doing this they are taking away the uniqueness of each race. Really the Kronos is the only marauder that should get the stasis web. Who’s with me.

    September 10, 2013 at 2:21 pm Reply
  26. Eve PLayer

    i agree about the web bonuses fora Golem come on no benefit at all for this ship just screwing the missle boats over once again.

    October 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm Reply
  27. Newticle

    I don’t really get what’s going on here. I can’t speak for anyone else, but my Kronos has basically been a pretty expensive swiss army knife: for a billion ISK, I get a L4 mission boat that I can retool to be “competent,” if not amazing, in incursions…. as opposed to a Vindi, which is an incursion pwnmobile, but kinda so-so at missions, or a much cheaper Navy Domi for missions. The best thing I can say about the Kronos is it does indeed “deal massive damage while still tanking like a god” as the Goonwiki puts it.

    Those were good ship roles. What’s this bastionmode and microjump drive nonsense supposed to be for? Jeez, just give us some decent resists and a range bonus and pike off maybe? DEFINITELY quit nerfing my drones; it’s a Gallente ship, and I’m sick of a race that’s supposed to specialize in drones having exactly 3 functional drone boats.

    …Yeah like anyone’s gonna listen to that. Ok, then this – for a billion ISK, give this ship SOME role that it excels at. Otherwise it’s going to continue being a crackpot-only ride, which I’m not sure bothers me in the least.

    November 9, 2013 at 9:57 pm Reply

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