Full disclosure: My name is Dirk and I am a recovering renter. I am also part of the CFC, so feel free to discount what I am about to say. I have no inside knowledge into the CFC’s rental plans and the following is based only on my own experience and speculation.

Introduction

A lot of noise is being made about the CFC’s decision to open up certain parts of its controlled space to renters. This has brought the concept of rental empires back into focus despite the fact that rental empires have existed for quite some time in Eve. There is nothing new in renting space to corporations or small alliances that would otherwise find it difficult to access null security space on their own. What has changed is that the major players in the landlord game today include entities that in times past would never have associated with renters let alone considered being involved in managing and safeguarding a rental empire. That not only includes elite PVP alliances like Pandemic Legion and Northern Coalition., currently the two largest landlords in the game, but also the CFC, which is far from an elite PVP group, but most definitely elite in its ability to take advantage of shifts in New Eden’s economic landscape.

This article will try and answer a few questions: First, are rental empires beneficial to both the landlord and renter alike? Second, are rental empires good for Eve? And finally, is the CFC decision to become a landlord a flip flop of their deeply held philosophical beliefs or just a smart strategic decision amid changes in Eve’s economy?

Some Background

I’m not going to bore you with a history of renting in Eve or try and determine who rented the first system to whom. I’m just going to say that the first true rental EMPIRE began with the Russians in the Drone Regions. Others may have had some renters, but the largest and most long-lasting rental empire in Eve history was the one centered around the Drone Regions. It is important to understand because it is instructional on what makes a successful rental empire.

The East has long been dominated by rental empires and continues to be a center of rental activity in New Eden today. The Drone Russians, (Legion of xXDeathXx, Solar Fleet and Red Alliance) controlled a rental empire that spanned vast territories centered on the Drone Regions. Although renters existed elsewhere in Eve, nothing compared in size and scope to the empire established by the Drone Russians. At one point, Shadow of xXDeathXx, the rental group for Legion of xXDeathXx, held sovereignty in 7 regions and was one of the largest alliances in the game. Counted among the renters in the Drone Regions were numerous alt corps from all the major alliances. That’s right, despite how much some of these elite PVPers detested renters, many of them had alt corps in the Russian renter alliances as a means of producing caps and super caps. Lots of super caps.

The east was always a great place for a rental empire. The Drone Regions were an industrialist’s wet dream, but not so great for players with short attention spans or the need for immediate isk. Miners and builders abounded in the Drone Regions, which offered the mineral-rich Drone alloys that fed the proliferation of capitals and super capitals. Also, long before the advent of hidden belts,the Drone Regions were among the best places in Eve for high-end ores. But other than the acquisition of minerals, the content in the Drones was generally bad. No officer spawns, no bounties, broken profession sites, moons weren’t very good; it was a mess. Because of this, most of the powerhouse alliances had no desire to take the area because it wasn’t as easy for their pilots to make isk. You actually had to do something more than just shoot red cross, collect isk. So what you had was space that the warring factions weren’t overly interested in, but was compelling to a demographic group that was most likely to rent. The Russians consolidated the area and provided a fairly high degree of stability. Stability is great for renters. They get comfortable and they keep paying. That of course all changed when the Russians went to war with one another, ultimately leading to all of them being displaced and their massive rental empires being dispersed. But that is another story.

Today, the Drone Regions are still a bit of a mess. The Russians are gone (for now), replaced by Pandemic Legion and Northern Coalition. Also gone are the lucrative alloys, replaced by so-so bounties. The content is also still pretty bad when compared to the pirate faction regions. In many ways, the Drone Regions are now a ghetto compared to many other parts of New Eden. Ultimately, renters don’t require good space, it just has to be good enough. Renters are looking for quiet, stability, and the freedom to do their thing (whatever that is) with as little external distraction as possible. Hence the Drone Regions remain a good place for forming a rental empire. But as we shall soon see, there are other similar locations that provide similar conditions.

The Pros & Cons of a Rental Empire

Economics in New Eden are constantly evolving. This is the result of two things: changes made by the players and changes made by CCP. Eve is a sandbox and the decisions made by the players have a profound impact on Eve’s economy. When they say “Eve is Real”, nothing is more real than Eve’s economy. Not even the politics. Supply and demand are the primary drivers and player decisions have real effects on both. But the sandbox is only as good as the framework that CCP provides and they have a habit of intervening for good and for ill. CCP is God when it comes to our little world and He who maketh Tech valuable today could make Exotic Dancers the new bottleneck tomorrow if they so decided.

Domination of a particular resource changes, the value of resources change and Eve’s pilots, corporations, alliances and coalitions need to adapt to these changes. That is ultimately the crux of the CFC decision to enter the renter game. It is undoubtedly the reason behind PL and NC. eschewing moons as their only source of steady income. The money that can be made by renting out space is sizeable and it is even more passive than moon mining. In fact, using a ratio of activity to income, there is probably nothing more lucrative in the game on this sort of scale. Take space, form alliance, collect checks. If done right, you don’t even need to maintain the property. Sure, you may need to send in a crew to fix the leaks or serve an eviction notice from time to time, but after the space is taken in the first place, most of the heavy lifting is behind you. When designed properly, a well-run rental empire is an isk printing machine. And rental empires scale in size quite nicely.

Of course, there are drawbacks. First and foremost, you have to have the power to control the space in terms of sovereignty. Landlords aren’t the local police, even if they tell you they are. They are more akin to a strategic defense force. Landlords aren’t there to protect the renter per se. They are there to protect the asset, which in this case is the space itself. Renters are a form of asset too, and the umbrella of protection extends to legitimate invasions, but it is up to the renters themselves to form their own neighborhood watch and deal with hoodie-wearing skittles-eaters that come around in an appropriate manner.

Not everything is perfect with a rental empire. To do it right, you have to show your new meal tickets a bit of respect. Actually, respect is the wrong word. Let’s use common decency. But even that is hard for some people to do. Shadow of xXDeathXx was so successful as a rental group because the renter corps did not feel like second class citizens. They technically were, at least compared to Legion of xXDeathXx, but they were not made to feel that way. Common decency leads to happy renters and happy renters keep paying. Most alliances don’t fly around blowing up the moon mining operations that are feeding their SRP so they probably shouldn’t make life miserable for the people paying them fat checks every month either.

Awoxers. Yeah, these are probably the single biggest issue faced by landlords, but also one that is pretty easily mitigated. Awoxers happen. They happen in regular alliances, but can be a bit more prevalent in renter alliances because some of those corps are even worse than your corp probably is with recruiting. Short of setting your rental group neutral, a reasonable deposit helps deter potential losses by letting renter corps know that they better be smart about recruiting. Also, being quick to boot a corp from the alliance during an awox incident will also mitigate potential losses. Of course, the option is there to set the renter alliance neutral in order to protect your core blues, but that really requires the rental space to be fairly separate so that your paths don’t cross all that often. Again, having your renters be hunted by your own pilots is just bad for business.

One final drawback is that it takes some management and organization skills and a wee bit o’ patience. Being an administrator of a rental empire is sometimes tedious. Renters bitch. A lot. They pay their rent and have expectations. It’s why managing those expectations through a clear set of rules is paramount. They will still bitch and ask for this or that and it takes time to respond, but in the end it’s still pretty doable for the right people.

Overall, there are far more benefits to overseeing a rental empire than there are drawbacks. Trillions of them compared to relative nuisances. Smack those nuisances away with your newly found wads of isk.

Are Rental Empires Good for Eve?

tl;dr – you’re damn right they are good for Eve.

OK, that is a pretty short answer, but it’s really where I come out. This isn’t about which aspect of the game you play or whether you think renters are the scum of the universe. If you’re reading this, chances are you are part of a pet or subordinate alliance, or are a denizen of hisec anyway, so you really aren’t one to be pointing fingers at renters. From the landlord’s perspective, this is about business and nothing else. It may also be about extending your control over space, but in the end it’s about the isk. There really isn’t much more that can be said about that. It helps fund the war machine. Remember what I said about the changing economic landscape? The value of “natural” resources change for a multitude of reasons. But the demand for space by small groups of players who want to live in nullsec doesn’t change all that much. It is nice steady income and even if CCP decides to make changes to the cost of sovereignty, those costs can be passed on.

Is it good for the renters themselves? The answer here is also a big fat yes. Renters enjoy the freedom to do as they please in return for a monthly isk payment. Renters owe you nothing more and that suits them just fine. It’s their way of getting into nullsec and is frankly no different than some F1 pusher or corp of F1 pushers offering that service. They may come and go, but typically, if the renter program is well run, there will be another corp looking to take their place.

Are rental empires good for Eve? The answer here is also yes. It is certainly better than wide swaths of unused space, it adds to the economy and to the content for those looking to hunt them. Some may disagree and take issue with the fact that all this space is being used to fund the war machines of the big nullsec entities, which in turn keeps out smaller alliances. Oh well. The tear bucket is over there. Every resource is ready for you and your friends to dispute on the field of battle. But in the end, opening unused space up to pilots willing to pay for access is good for Eve.

An Empire of Clusterfuck Proportions

In the past, Goons and other members of the CFC, not only looked down upon renters, but some did their level best to scam would-be renters into paying for space that was never available to rent in the first place. As with anything else in Eve, if there is a way of scamming someone over it, some enterprising nerd with less real life ambition will try. And in far too many cases, hilariously succeed. Now the Goons, and more broadly the CFC, have decided to get into the renter game. Is this a flip flop on their deeply held beliefs or a wise strategic decision?

I know that because I currently reside within the CFC, many will say that my next few words are just Goon propaganda. But whatever. There are some things they do right and some where I disagree. But here goes: The CFC has the opportunity to create the biggest, most well-organized and lucrative rental empire the game has ever seen. Their decision is not a flip flop of their long held moral aversion to renters. Goons and their CFC partners are not opposed to changing direction when it suits their broader interests. And if they can do it in a way that hurts your broader interests, then all the better. The economic landscape changed and they are adapting. It is as simple as that.

But Dirk, you Mittani-sucking-coward-former-renter, what makes you think they can create such a rental empire after so many years of shitting on renter types? Because you need to stop reading the propaganda that is meant to rally the shit-posting minions and start looking into the top 1% of the Goon thought leaders. Not what they say publicly, but rather what they do when push comes to shove. One thing that I recognized a long time ago, before ever joining a CFC alliance, is that the Goons talk a damn good game when it comes to convincing so many people that they are a screaming bunch of retards. To some extent, many are, but the chromosome-deficient aren’t the ones you need to worry about.

At the top, and I’m not talking about just the Mittani, they have some of the brightest minds in the game. Mittens wouldn’t be what he is in this game without those around him. Who knows, maybe he’d be The Wis, but with better social skills. OK, maybe not the Wis. But anyway…

Goons have an unparalleled organizational capability. Perhaps not always the fastest to react and adapt given their size, but once undertaken there are few if any in the game that have the ability to put in place the organization to carry out long term plans that require tedious attention to detail. Shadow of xXDeathXx collected rent through an interface so that record keeping was minimized. You didn’t even need to speak with someone to rent a system or pay your bills. It was automated. I expect to be shocked by what the Goon back office is capable of putting together. The only question I have is whether the Goons, and the broader CFC, can keep their members from fucking it all up by doing stupid things that hurt the isk printing machine, like hunting their renters and generally making life miserable for them. But I am also fairly certain that IF the CFC wants to do it right, they will keep the minions in check.

Wow Dirk, you really deep-throated Mittens & Co. on that one, although you did basically call him The Wis. But what happens if Goons and the CFC do pull off the rental empire gig on the scale you see as possible? What does that mean more broadly? Honestly, you all better watch out. If the CFC can get its act together and embrace renters the way they embrace cute little noobs and some other types that many alliances would never accept, their influence will broaden and the coffers will flood with isk. Technetium was nice, but they have the ability to make more isk and control more space through this method. It will take organization, commitment and time, but the possibility exists. Then again, maybe they just rent a bit of space to augment their Tech losses and be done with it. But it’s the possibility of an expanded CFC presence and even fatter war chest that should be your bigger concern.

- Dirk MacGirk

55 Comments

  1. Provi Miner

    And again the biggest points are completely missed, or ignored. I am going with ignored here. Who gives a flying Frack what cfc leadership thinks, believes, justifies, or puts into place. The renters start out with a huge negative the “CFC line member”. Lets say for courtesy’s sake we only say 5% of the line members have ingrained askholeness in them. Just that 5% (much higher I would say) is enough to cause the collapse of any potential rental empire. As it stands the line members shoot each other and think its funny what happens when you suddenly have 5% of your line members shooting your paying renters? You going to kick them? Remember that 5% almost always shows up for CTA’s, Station grinds, and 90% tidi fleets. So here is that 5% flying through space they once controlled but now is in the hands of pve carebears who fly shiny crap. Is that 5% going to just breeze on by that snake with a hole the size of the grand canyon in its shields, or are they going to gank that 4.5 bil officer fit snake?

    I fully believe and accept that the vast majority of CFC does understand the need and respect the contracts to renters. All I am saying is that awox’ers are your least worry. Its that small group of invaluable askholes that you can not kick who are going to be the problem. I am l33t therefore if I want to pod that snake wtf is mittens going to do. heck I will just scout the renters in my blue shuttle and log in my nuet alt and blow them away. In other words a red entering system is bad but having a CFC line member enter system is worse.

    Word is that the 5% I am talking about are already doing the above or are training neut alts to do the dirty work for them. After all there is only one thing that 5% cares about and that is tears and what better tears to collect then the tears of someone who believes that a contract actually means something to the “whole” CFC.

    August 31, 2013 at 6:33 am Reply
    1. WhiteHalo117

      You sound like you could use some space in Vale of the Silent.

      August 31, 2013 at 8:08 am Reply
    2. arkady

      Your assumption that the 5% who will do the jerking around of CFC renters are the same people who are actually useful to us is hilariously flawed. Why would our useful (i.e. smart; forward thinking) people be the ones shooting us in the foot? They understand the state of play better than the rest. They are the ones pushing for rental schemes in the first place. The 5% of useful people know that our renters are going to attract external hate and are already protecting them by shooting jerkbags coming to kill them (including any people who think they’re smart by making neutral alts to kill our renters). They get money via SRP from the renter money, and they get fights by protecting them at their own discretion. That’s two birds for the price of one.

      While we’re on the subject; you know diddly shit about how the CFC engages in contracts. One of the reason why our coalition is so effective is because we are very very good on the diplomatic front. That means doing what we say we are going to do, both to our friends and enemies.

      in summary; you’re an ignorant scrub with zero factual information about Goon operations.

      August 31, 2013 at 9:05 am Reply
      1. Gort

        Rule Number 1 – Never Trust a Goon

        August 31, 2013 at 12:03 pm Reply
        1. abc123

          Rule Number 2 – Always Refer Back Rule Number 1 When The Word “GOON” is involved.

          August 31, 2013 at 2:22 pm Reply
          1. Ur Stupid

            Rule Number 3 – Always remember the first two rules otherwise…

            August 31, 2013 at 4:21 pm
      2. anon

        Unfortunately the ignorant scrubs with zero factual information about Goon operations are the people you expect to rent from you guys.
        Alot of people have pre determined opinions that aren`t gonna vanish overnight.
        In short, Provi Miner makes a good point that may be off the mark , but you are unable to correct him without sounding like a complete arsehole.
        The Goons need to understand that everyone in eve is a potential customer and treat them appropriately. The offer of good space and a “I won`t shoot” promise wiil be enough for a few, but for many the rental offers are better elsewhere.

        August 31, 2013 at 10:39 pm Reply
      3. Provi Miner

        Great point. To bad I never said smart or forward thinking. I said these are the ones cfc counts on for sov grind, tidi shit and the like. The smart and forward thinking types understand and accept the situation. Cfc can’t even stop these people from shooting blues, what will make them not shoot (or set up renters to be shot by neut alts) renters?

        September 1, 2013 at 1:05 am Reply
      4. guess

        however plenty of us have direct hands on involvement with the CFC in the past and invariably CFC WILL bend you over and take you without lube.

        September 3, 2013 at 5:08 am Reply
    3. wow

      just wow and you’d rather trust some entity like Pandemic Legion? lessee anyone who was anyone in Test pretty well got poached by them, lessee “give us our fights in Etherium, and we wont take your space”<- ya that worked out well for the now gone residents of Etherium. Hmmm ya NC dot has always been good at keeping their word. Thing is Goons are Hands down best organized group in the game, i.e. I can say there, Ive seen it 1st hand.

      August 31, 2013 at 1:55 pm Reply
      1. PLgrunt

        PL treat all their allies and friends with respect.

        It is true we have campaigns and our loyalties to the large blocks change based on this. This makes having a real diplomatic process and having some long term blues and knowing how to treat them is even more important.

        If you shoot a blue in PL you better have a good reason.. other wise, don’t the door hit you in the arse on the way out..

        For goons renting is going to be pretty difficult culture class and between all the arseholes, spies and awokers (the +5%)!

        You can also trust if someone messes with a PL or NC. renter they are going to find a world of pain.

        Test turned their back on the HBC and all the support we gave them. The fact some of their better PVPers felt the loss and wanted to join? There are few hardcore PVPers who don’t want to join PL or NC.

        August 31, 2013 at 3:07 pm Reply
        1. PLrunt

          The Kool-Aid is strong with this one.

          September 2, 2013 at 6:11 pm Reply
  2. Dennis the Dreamer

    Trying to justify renting activities for CFC are okay because the russians first are doing it.

    August 31, 2013 at 6:40 am Reply
  3. 2.4

    Oh look, an article written by Mittens!

    HI!

    It good to see how you’re using these tactics to try and get renters. This is what happens when you spend years scamming them. It’s interesting that they’ll get scammed again, and that you’ve already setup alt corps to harass them.

    August 31, 2013 at 7:38 am Reply
    1. Billbo

      he’s not mittens you mongoloid. f

      August 31, 2013 at 8:14 am Reply
    2. Assuming....

      I know Dirk, I was in an alliance with him, Dirk is Not TheMittani, btw Ive also been affilated with CFC.

      August 31, 2013 at 1:48 pm Reply
  4. Curse

    So, CFC creates a renter alliance… nice.

    It demands 10B for a shitty system in Fountain where you are subject to all harrasments imaginable? Nice.
    It also creates corps full of alts and what not just days before the creation of the renting alliance?
    Also nice.

    August 31, 2013 at 8:24 am Reply
    1. 2

      Deklein is full of jews so creating an alt corp to have your own private system to rat = provit!

      September 2, 2013 at 1:16 pm Reply
  5. droljica

    “Sober” thinking mitani

    August 31, 2013 at 9:28 am Reply
  6. JG

    Tl, DR

    August 31, 2013 at 9:30 am Reply
  7. Seraph Castillon

    Slightly off-topic question: he says PL is one of the two largest landlords in the game. Which regions are rented out by PL?!

    August 31, 2013 at 11:00 am Reply
    1. Barkaway

      Brothers of Tangra is PL’s renter alliance.

      August 31, 2013 at 11:25 am Reply
      1. Tony Abbot

        Oh, thanks for clearing that up, had no idea who they were.

        August 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm Reply
  8. Lowie

    i think you right im a ceo of a renter corp, and we use our space , upgrade it , have fun defending it. its all good , if you against renting there will be much more empty space as now , cause the landlord pleps tend to live in the same region/const for quick acces in da fleets.

    We make 0.0 more alive

    August 31, 2013 at 11:14 am Reply
    1. Lowie

      and no , we are not a alt corp , just mains and our alts

      August 31, 2013 at 11:16 am Reply
      1. Khanid

        What makes you think people want a 00 filled with live? A lifeless 00 is so much better in my opinion than jita or amarr activity all over the place.

        August 31, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
        1. Lowie

          yes that can also , if you like lifeless 00 then the situation as it is is ok

          and everywhere jita activity is a little too much yeah lol

          August 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm Reply
        2. Ur Stupid

          Null-sec will never become a trade-hub status in any system. It’s not good as it is with un-used space.

          August 31, 2013 at 4:16 pm Reply
  9. Red Teufel

    problem with renting space and the way power is projected in eve today is that there is no way for entities not currently in 0.0 to take space by force. EvE isn’t big enough and is now consolidating into giant coalitions. The last group i know of to take space by force was The Unthinkables.

    August 31, 2013 at 3:52 pm Reply
    1. Nub Pubbie

      They were part of a larger coalition as well though. I was in that war (on the losing side as one of SOLAR’s pets) and it was more than just INK fighting. They had help from WHYSO, NC., S2N, Red Alliance, Gypsy Band, and even on occasion TEST. It was not a solo war won by them alone, it was a war of two coallitions in which they were with the more powerful side. (This is not to dog on INK, they were/are a competent alliance. Just saying they had help from several friends.)

      August 31, 2013 at 9:48 pm Reply
      1. Red Teufel

        This was before the huge war with solar took place. hate them if you want but They entered the sov scene the hardest way possible. talk to space or rapo about it.

        August 31, 2013 at 10:20 pm Reply
      2. guess

        your not the only ex soco blue, and your also forgetting PL dropping in for the fun and games in scalding pass.
        where SoCo went VERY VERY VERY wrong was solars so called overall “leader” who’s stupidity and greed cost SoCo a lot of blues prior to that, because before Solar ordered all blues after NC. after they broke the tech cartel, the rank and file majority were expecting to be helping NC. and shooting goons, and there WAS a lot of SoCo blues who dispised goons with a passion and helping them directly/indirectly, well they couldn’t stomach it and frankly who blames them?, and they either 1: bailed or 2: bailed and went to help NC. out
        and I say solar’s so called leader’s greed and stupidity, well we know where solar are currently, maybe they should have cut a deal with NC. for that region they wanted back instead of trying to split roast NC. maybe then a whole bunch of your blues wouldn’t have left.

        September 3, 2013 at 5:03 am Reply
  10. Jerry

    Wow Dirk, you really deep-throated Mittens & Co. on that one

    August 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm Reply
    1. Radom Guy

      After bailing on the DR’s did you except anything less from him?

      September 1, 2013 at 6:59 am Reply
  11. DrkyDrky

    There’s also another advantage of CFC having a rental empire.
    Member alliance can easily poach PVP active corps from the rental alliance. Making recruitment easy for them.

    In anycase, CFC faces a stiff competition from NC./PL in getting renters.

    August 31, 2013 at 7:26 pm Reply
    1. Dirk MacGirk

      Competition is good, no? The prices for renting in many areas are plain dumb. More space to rent, more competition on prices.
      CFC obviously has work to do to convince potential renters its an above-board deal. They need to prove they can A) keep their line members in check and B) uphold their end of the rental agreement so as to wash away the taint of “Don’t trust a Goon”.
      The proof will take time, but in the end, B) above is not a matter of trusting any old Goon. It will be about trusting the organization, which has a somewhat better reputation when it comes to holding up their end of an agreement.

      September 1, 2013 at 12:31 am Reply
      1. Provi Miner

        I believe that sums up my points nicely. It isn’t he cfc that’s hard to trust its the cfc line member who I think can’t be trusted. Thank you.

        September 1, 2013 at 1:11 am Reply
    2. 2

      Which dumbfuck wants to rat in drone space?, so CFC crearly has the advantage

      September 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm Reply
      1. guess

        aactualy the isk ticks/h aren’t bad in drone space, where drone space completely and totaly fucking sucks is the combat sigs etc, rats dont drop ANYTHING not even metal scraps for reprocessing….

        September 3, 2013 at 4:55 am Reply
  12. Noog

    IMO
    without question are there great minds in the goon leadership, but the average goon grunt? To rent from goons you have to trust goons. one will have to make some investments.
    Without a war those guys will be bored. any renter wants some security and dosnt wont to get bothered by bored goon – honks

    August 31, 2013 at 7:27 pm Reply
    1. Provi Miner

      And that’s the problem isn’t it.

      September 1, 2013 at 1:12 am Reply
  13. wannabe landlord

    2,8 trillion isk per month income from renting is good for eve and even better for the renter :P

    August 31, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
  14. Alison King

    no goons cannot be trusted , not with there past record – someone who rents from goons would have to be mentally unhinged, and had his head in the sand for the past 5 years. Why rent from goons when nc. and pl have proven track record and all goons have in the past are rental scams,no once goon always a goon. Never trust a Goon

    September 1, 2013 at 1:07 am Reply
    1. Observer

      Alison, you lost! surrender your cunt!

      September 1, 2013 at 2:46 am Reply
    2. 2

      Dumbfucks like you dont know how to contact for rent

      September 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm Reply
    3. Daniel Plain

      nothing says “my opinion is invalid” better than failing at spelling and punctuation. keep up the good work.

      September 2, 2013 at 3:06 pm Reply
    4. CyberSarge

      Hmm I have been an ally of Goons for a couple years and have always been treated honestly and with respect. From Noob to capital pilots they foster a mindset of teamwork. Whats really cool is when you need help defending or acquiring space/moons. When the Horn of Gandor sounds, expect 1000+ pilots to answer that call. I would have no problem renting space from them and I suspect a lot of eve will not very shortly.

      September 3, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
  15. Pregnant Wombat

    I don’t really think goons will have a problem keeping their guys in check from scamming people which makes the rental business bad. I really don’t see that as an issue.

    What I think the issue really is…. it’s that all the rental empires are going to be competing for x amount of corps and alliances wanting to rent in nullsec. Nullsec is big. It doesn’t seem big anymore because of jumpbridges, and titan bridging etc… But when you stop by that shit system you never think about because no one is there….and think about all those other systems out there that are basically abandoned in every way besides name, you start to really think about how big nullsec is.

    These bigger alliances around nullsec want to rent out their space, but theres only a limited amount of customers so now theres going to be a competition. How will this competition work? Will they lower price of their systems to compete? I doubt it, I think this will turn into a renter harassing operation that every alliance will employ to diffuse their competition.

    Imagine that? Now that will probably be the reason why goons, or perhaps their competition will be getting issues with their rental empires.

    September 1, 2013 at 2:57 am Reply
  16. Bystander

    hoodie-wearing skittles-eaters LMAO

    September 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm Reply
  17. PvE

    Goons with their reputations, ganking history in hi-sec, scamm history…

    I don’t know, why I should rent space from goons when I dont like them for their play style? When I can rent space from others, much more trusted renters?

    September 2, 2013 at 3:48 pm Reply
    1. BnryZombie

      Because you will die trying to make the 7-18 billion isk for rent every month for your “private” system. If you choose to use those so called “trusted renters” you are talking about. Plus Drones suck trust me.

      September 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
  18. ohaibob

    Whether the CFC likes renters or not, this is a huge cultural shift. The old CFC is dead, long-live/down-with the new BoB.

    September 2, 2013 at 5:59 pm Reply
  19. Sarge

    I predict that the Goons will have no trouble with keeping their members in check.

    Their member’s alts, on the other hand, will continue to do standard Goon-type harassment, simply because they won’t be able to resist killing those wimpy, much-hated ‘carebears’ that actually fund those rental empires. Why stop killing them, when you can use that extra character slot to get killmails and grief?

    September 3, 2013 at 2:33 am Reply
  20. guess

    “Their member’s alts, on the other hand, will continue to do standard
    Goon-type harassment, simply because they won’t be able to resist
    killing those wimpy, much-hated ‘carebears’ that actually fund those
    rental empires. Why stop killing them, when you can use that extra
    character slot to get killmails and grief?”

    and things like this is exactly the reason their unlikely to find people willing to take what is lets face it already a massive risk when doing business with goons.

    September 3, 2013 at 4:51 am Reply
  21. Luwc

    now the question to this wall of text is :

    “so ?”

    September 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm Reply

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