Wednesday in Iceland dawned the most pleasant so far, with the sun trying now and again to peek through the clouds and the temperature getting up to 54F/11C.  Much of CSM8 met in the basement of the hotel for a quite good breakfast provided by our hotel.  There was some amusement from “the old guys” (Trebor Daehdoow, Mike Azariah, myself) that we were up and ready to go before the younger members of CSM8 present (everyone else).  Matter of fact, with a few exceptions here and there, CSM8 declared their readiness to undock in reverse order of age… if you’re curious about who is really committed to this summit thing.  I kid, I kid.  😉

The walk to CCP HQ was quick and pleasant and we claimed our spaces around the table of the Trinity conference room.  Conference rooms at CCP are named after EVE expansions, complete with the date of release etched into the glass wall to one side of the door.  Trinity comes equipped with a really impressive video conference suite that both provides a panorama view of the proceedings — other CSM members will no doubt post the picture and if they don’t, I will tomorrow — as well as a focused view of whomever is talking.  The latter happens through some magic of the camera focusing on whomever is talking the loudest for a consistent period of time.  This gave a few members of CSM8 and some members of the CPM attending remotely a pretty good view of the proceedings when combined with screen-sharing.

To briefly cover the seven sessions that happened on day one…

Session One: Basic Introductions and Design Theory.  This session mostly focused on CCP’s internal “org chart” as well as an overview of how the game is developed.  This is something that I went into CSM8 stating that I was going to take seriously — CSM9 is going to have a lot to thank us for on this front — and I was really satisfied with what I saw and heard.  In particular, there was a long discussion of how CCP can be more transparent about sharing information with players and who really makes the operational decisions about game development that affect players (and therefore, how the CSM and players can influence those decisions).

Session Two: Stakeholder review.  Probably the quietest session of the day, we looked at the past and present of the CSM stakeholder process.  Trebor was the expert here for obvious reasons and made a good case for the fact that the process is working better than ever.  Most of the discussion was about internal matters relating to CCP-CSM communications, with the CSM making a case for the various ways we can help CCP if more teams engage with us.

Session Three: Security.  One of my favorite sessions of the day.  The new head security guy, CCP Stillman, showed us a really deep presentation on various aspects of MMO security that he’s planning to present at an upcoming security conference.  It really dug into the meat of the challenges this team faces.  I think everyone on CSM8 came away confident that this important aspect of the game is in very good hands.  In particular, Noizy Gamer will be pleased to know that virtually all of his list was covered.

Session Four: EVE Economy.  This session was widely regarded by CSM8 as one of the best of the day, with CCP DrEyjoG and his assistant CCP Recurve sharing with us a lot of hard data on the EVE economy including Gross User Product, PLEX prices, and deep economic indicators.  Several CSM members including myself made strong cases for the return of either the QEN or some other insight for EVE players into how the economy is going and I think we made a really strong case for which there was (somewhat grudging) agreement from the CCP side.  This session also featured our first “in-class homework assignment” of the summit.

Session Five: Art.
  This was one of the most fun sessions of the day, with the art team wowing us with a lot of pretty pictures of what they have planned for winter.  In a few cases — to my amusement — they got the job of spoiling some minor aspects of session seven when they showed us art for features that we hadn’t yet been told were coming.  I got to beg (successfully, I think) for an art feature that many players asked me for.  The session was dominated by a review of some mock-ups of how EVE players interact with their game.  This is sure to be followed up in the UI session on Friday.  The CSM did have one miss here which we’re going to rectify today (more about that tomorrow).

Session Six: State of Balance.  This was a lively, informal session with all three members of the ship balance team (CCP Ytterbium, CCP Rise, CCP Fozzie) chatting with us about their future plans for ship balance and asked for our feedback about what order things should be done in and some particular ideas they have on this front.  A lot of the time was spent chatting about the next couple of ship classes that are going to be rebalanced as well as the fact that future ship balancing is going to be much more challenging than what has been done up to this point.

Session Seven: The future.  This is going to be a heavily NDA’ed session, but was another of my favorites of the day.  The great news here is that there is a specific, coherent road map for the next three years that hangs together logically and should provide a lot of really great stuff for players over the next few years.  It actually made me kind of envious of CSMs 9 and 10…  It launched from CCP Seagull‘s two presentations at Fanfest and she presented most of this session as well.

Things kept moving well throughout the day.  CCP Dolan is to be commended for keeping the sessions on track and on schedule.  I can tell you from experience that this is a lot harder than it looks.  Lunch was a Mexican buffet provided for all of CCP in the employee cafeteria — I was stunned to see fresh cilantro so far from California!  Dinner was pizza delivered to the same place.  At both points, CSM members had the opportunity to introduce themselves to and chat with any CCP dev who seemed inclined, and most of us wore CSM-logoed shirts brought from the U.S. by Trebor to help identify us.

After hours for day one was a bit more subdued, mostly because there was a scheduled marketing department dinner last night.  That meant there weren’t that many CCP’ers available.  Those that were met us at Nora’s for a couple of hours where the chatter was once again mostly very relaxed and casual.  The main gathering broke up a little after 11pm.

All in all, day one was fun, productive, interesting, and — I think, anyway — provided a lot of value for both CCP and the CSM.  I’m really pleased that CSM8 is showing value for the dollars that CCP has invested in our “free trip to Iceland”.  On to day two!

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  1. 2.4

    Looks like the nullsec alliances are doing to dictate our next expansion.

    Its going to be interesting to see how EVE gets catered to further the RMT operations.

    August 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm Reply
    1. Mr Twinkie

      You say this like it’s bad.. Null needs a complete overhaul. It’s about as close to “broken” as it can get right now.

      August 29, 2013 at 7:34 pm Reply
      1. 2.4

        It’s one thing to fix something with an un-biased opinion on the matter. That way things get fixed so it benefits everyone.

        Example: Making it easier for smaller groups to get into null WITHOUT signing up and sucking someone’s dick.

        Now, every CSM member has an agenda dictated by their alliance leaders in which to follow. Essentially making sure the game stays the way the want it and hold onto what they currently have.

        “Yes CCP, change nullsec mechanics to enable smaller groups to take my space that I spent years invested in.” – SAID NO NULLSEC CSM EVER!

        August 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm Reply
        1. LTE

          plently, if not too many station in 00 npc if u cant figure out how to live there it’s your fault… i moved to null sec and all i could fly was a wolf now in less than a year done 200 b dmg

          August 30, 2013 at 12:11 pm Reply
          1. 2.4

            Unless that’s solo kills, you’re just KM-whoring and doing a fraction of a percentage of damage.

            BTW I did almost twice that in 1 month of the fountain war in my Mega…g

            August 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm
      2. Mord Fiddle

        According to Mynnna, you can make 60M per hour ratting semi-AFK in an Ishtar. Is that one of the broken bits? The idea that nullsec is utterly ‘broken’ is nonsense.

        August 29, 2013 at 9:11 pm Reply
        1. Ford Diddler

          Yes it is broken. The idea that 60m per hour is less isk than you can make running missions in empire space is outrageous. The idea that the best way to make isk is semi-afk is terrible game design. I’d love to enjoy playing and feel engaged when making isk in a manner that compensated me for my additional risk in earning that isk in null sec as opposed to empire.

          August 30, 2013 at 8:49 am Reply
        2. Provistani

          Don’t pay too much attention to Myanna. he says whatever Mittens tells him, and definately does not have the interests of the wider player base at heart.
          I think you can guarantee that everything discussed in the CSM meetings is reported straight to Mittens anyway. If not by Myanna, then by CCP themselves.

          August 30, 2013 at 10:16 am Reply
          1. 2.4

            Myanna is a worthless POS sock puppet who sucked Mittens dick to get the votes to get into the CSM.

            This is exactly why the CSM program should be scrapped. It went from expressing the players concerns to Metagaming, and the CSM nor CCP tries to hide it.

            August 30, 2013 at 11:52 am
        3. TiredOfAllTheStupid

          Semi-AFK is a cop-out, its only doable in a “semi-afk” fashion due to drone mechanics. Any other ship, like the Maelstrom I used when I live in null (making 45m/hour btw) require the attention of the player.

          Not to mention, being semi-afk is not advisable if you like not losing your ship.

          August 31, 2013 at 12:55 am Reply
      3. Other Things Are Broken Too

        Null isn’t the only woefully broken aspect of the game.

        Industry needs an overhaul too. Mining, manufacturing, POSs, Blueprints, Research.

        Where is the Industry overhaul? The nullsec CSM would never sit on their hands and allow CCP to dedicate an entire expansion cycle to Industry.

        August 29, 2013 at 9:46 pm Reply
        1. TiredOfAllTheStupid

          It’s no doubt in the works.

          August 31, 2013 at 1:01 am Reply
    2. Duh

      People are trying to fund ship replacement programs and supercap subsidies and these pubbies are still beating the RMT drum in TYOOL 2013 what the christ

      August 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm Reply
      1. Mord Fiddle

        Hmmm. Why should funding ship replacement programs and supercap subsidies be a priority for CCP? Or are you saying that monster nullsec income streams should be nerfed in order to make funding ship replacement programs and supercap subsidies more difficult?

        August 29, 2013 at 8:59 pm Reply
        1. Provistani

          Yes, basically.

          August 30, 2013 at 9:59 am Reply
    3. I just do not know

      I come from the buff 0.0 and do not nerf HS camp, yet all I hear from 0.0 jackbooters is nerf HS. Stupid comment about RMT, but the real issue is that many 0.0 leadership type players want to force people out of HS and into their play style, this will result in CCP losing players. As I have operated in all but WH’s I like 0.0 and HS and I can see no reason to nerf HS, but I can see reasons to buff 0.0 more, for a start put Mexallon in the drone regions and make it so that Stations can be improved to HS levels!!!

      August 29, 2013 at 9:57 pm Reply
    4. War Anyone?

      if you don’t want null sec determining the future of the game then maybe you need to work on a “get out the vote” campaign in high sec. You guys outnumber us, and yet we put the most people on CSM.

      August 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm Reply
      1. Gort

        CCP has constructed it largely to be so. The mechanics of Null sec have by necessity created large blocks of organised people with good lines of communication whereas Hi Sec has no such requirement. Certain members of CCP staff have treated the CSM and the meta game aspect of the elections as an extension of how they enjoy playing the game – nice for them but frankly disenfranchising for a lot of folk. It is a dangerous and revenue impacting path they follow if they continue with the same method of CSM selection.

        August 30, 2013 at 1:47 am Reply
        1. TestGewn

          Yes, the mechanices lead to more player organisation in Nullsec, BUT that doesnt mean, there couldn’t be something like a Highsec Alliance. The Problem is in Human nature that will not react until it realy needs something. so it seems, that the needs of high sec a covered quite well.

          August 30, 2013 at 7:51 am Reply
    5. TestGewn

      Don’t think so.
      CCP Main Gole is making money. CCP is looking in all that numbers, so don’t think the alliance leaders will get freebies aside from the trip, the food and the hotel.

      August 30, 2013 at 7:47 am Reply
  2. random guy

    give gamewide settings save / load.

    August 30, 2013 at 10:01 am Reply
    1. ioioio

      guy is right… more: rebuild that obsolete overview! CCP you know how to do it! We have seen a nice overview… in some old propaganda video.. just stop wasting time over DUST, WALKWIRIE and other unuseful stuffs… and back to work on EVE: the game we love, the game we play, the game that give you money for food… 8)

      August 30, 2013 at 10:19 am Reply
    2. Ming Tso

      The only thing that makes me disagree with this is that I’m justifiably terrified of any attempt to re-work the overview.

      Because if this gets messed up, EVE IS DEAD.

      August 30, 2013 at 6:03 pm Reply
  3. endgame WOW Master

    im new in eve .. when is the game over .. when do i win .. .like in WOW ?

    August 31, 2013 at 10:25 pm Reply

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