So with the battle of 6VDT over TEST has effectively lost any realistic hope of holding Fountain. They can launch strikes. Well, they will launch strikes, and they will whelp at least one more CFC fleet because this is EvE and that kind of thing happens, but Fountain will belong to whoever CFC hands it to and the R64 moons will go to Goons and their croniest of cronies. And yes that’s a word now. Deal with it.

TEST will retreat to Delve and face harassment from CFC, but no actual invasion. Delve is rather difficult to invade, not terribly worthwhile from what I understand of it’s wealth as far as an ALLIANCE is concerned, although it does have decent enough ratting and such to keep the nullbears quite happy. This hasn’t been a violation of the “Big Blue Doughnut” (actually more or a big blue crescent but whatevs) but it does represent a power shift. PL will go where the money is, I was surprised that they backed TEST to begin with and I will be surprised even more if they continue to work with them after this war. I’m not sure they’ll head straight to Goons though. I think they will want to see who ALL the movers and shakers are with the moon rebalance. They might head where there’s more action at first. In the long run, however, they will settle back into their erratic orbit with Goons and CFC as a whole.

Ironically we might see MORE supers in space once this desultory war winds down. As the coalitions fall away from each other the opportunities to use the Supers might look more and more tempting, especially as Goons grind down the last chunk of structures. Long-term I think Booda has to look at what he wants to do Vs. TEST alliance’s actual capabilities. He should have a really good idea of what they can actually do, how far they can project what kinds of power, and for how long. Now he has to match that with things that are fun and interesting and bring morale up.

CFC meanwhile can start hoarding money again. Also they can send me some 😀

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  1. Turd

    I hate to see this war end. This has been a lot of fun.

    July 29, 2013 at 5:24 am Reply
    1. Matthew

      Really was quite fun all in all. But now I can enjoy a few weeks before school starts up again at least. Props to Test for making a fight of it.

      July 29, 2013 at 5:34 am Reply
  2. Darth Nefarius

    /me shakes his tincup looking for Goon bribes too 😀

    July 29, 2013 at 6:26 am Reply
  3. Cline

    Why doesn’t test launch counter attacks into deep goon space. If you can’t defend your position make it so it’s too risky for the enemy to leave theirs.

    July 29, 2013 at 6:28 am Reply
    1. Solai

      Because that’s not strategically viable. It takes an immense amount of energy and organization to impact another alliance/coaltion’s play style. Particularly in a way thats favorable toward your goals.

      Such a tactic wouldn’t yield any tangible gains, beyond bragging rights. A lot could go wrong, and further harm TEST morale. It will cost ISK. And it’s unlikely to harm CFC morale or unity. If anything it does the favor of giving content to keep claws sharp.

      July 29, 2013 at 6:42 am Reply
      1. Cline

        If you look at war for the last 150 years or so. The biggest targets weren’t offensive instalations, they were civilian/industrial. Maybe Eves gameplay mechanics don’t allow for attacking an alliances supply line, but going toe to toe with a much larger opponent doesn’t sound like a viable strategy for me. Sure going into deep goon space and raiding might just piss goons off and give them more motivation. However, if TEST had taken random systems in goon space for distraction, and left a small guard there just enough to disrupt whatever logistics take place in goon space. It would be a good distraction and split their fleets, cause confusion, etc etc. I will say i’m not affiliated with either party nor really give a damn about the outcome of the war. Just seems to me that test could have done things differently.

        July 29, 2013 at 7:43 am Reply
        1. Solai

          It doesn’t sound like you have experience with nullsec, or whats involved in maintaining sovereignty. You might consider factoring this into your impressions.

          July 29, 2013 at 9:18 am Reply
        2. distant-observer

          yeah well eve is not built around the premise that anything is needed to actually hold a system … you could have conquered it years ago.. as long as the alliance pays sov bills it doesnt matter if the sov holder uses its space at all. its not like their are any civillians staging a revolt or actual maintennace needed to kep the machinery from working…and as others have said: power projection is much too easy.

          July 29, 2013 at 9:53 am Reply
          1. orly?

            Power projection ease isn’t really the issue… its actually much easier to pack up 300-400 tents and take them 20 miles than it is to pack up 2000 tents, the big top, the elephants, clowns and the freak show and move it 1000 yards.

            The key, of course is Titans…. which brings up two points. First – it only takes 1 to open a bridge. Second, every major player on the 0.0 field today has Titans and most have them in quantity.

            July 29, 2013 at 6:25 pm
        3. Kamar Raimo

          The EVE equivalent would be the classical asset denial. Cloaky campers. Black Ops hotdrops. Small gank teams. That kind of stuff.

          A strategy that is not aimed at confronting the enemy’s war machine, not even their PVP players, but the large group of nullbears.

          If TEST would work with tactics and strategies like BL but with the amount of membership they have, they could make daily operations for the average non-PVP oriented CFC player (and there are masses of those) a living hell.

          July 29, 2013 at 11:22 am Reply
          1. orly?

            Asset denial can be countered, but exploiting the sin of sloth does have benefits. Look at the losses CFC and allies had ‘back home’ during the last week and you’ll see what I mean. However, it didn’t keep them from steamrolling Fountain.

            July 29, 2013 at 6:21 pm
    2. zeekthegeek

      There’s nobody in deep goon space, that’s why. We are all deployed. There’s only so much they can do assuming they can even get to Deklein.

      July 29, 2013 at 7:22 am Reply
    3. Mike

      Power projection is retarded in EVE, CFC can move from one corner of their space to the other side very easily. It’s part of the reason so many alliances are blue to eachother. CCP encourages blueing up everyone by giving blues jumpbridge rights and such. It’s why there is no such thing as a two front war in EVE, it’s just much to easy to move around, even when you have six plus regions. People have been asking for a nerf to power projection for a good three years, and CCP has only made power projection easier in that time. The truth is CCP wants blob warfare, they want to say “look 4k dudes fighting in one system”, of course the fail to understand how un-fun TiDi fights are.

      July 29, 2013 at 7:22 am Reply
      1. Dinsdale Pirannha

        You keep forgetting, that the goons play the long game. The situation we new see in the game was ordained as soon as the goon soundwave was installed in a decision-making position in CCP years ago. All the changes in the game are being geared to making the people that run the null sec cartels as rich as possible, and I mean outside of the game. And the changes are coming faster and more blatant, as the null sec cartel agents within CCP have now managed to coerce the other CCP employees into allowing the CSM dictate game design changes.

        Goon leadership is evil, but far from stupid, and excel at the meta-game. They have made incremental changes within CCP, consolidating their power, just like they do within the game itself. And the result is the goon economic

        hegemony we now see today on tranquility, and the largest, most efficient RMT machine ever witnessed on TQ. The goons have a ways to go to match the situation on Serenity, but they are using that as their business model.

        July 29, 2013 at 8:38 am Reply
        1. Solai

          Whoa… Poe’s Law is in full swing…

          July 29, 2013 at 9:23 am Reply
          1. Imigo

            I’m going to guess that Poe’s law doesn’t apply in this case.

            July 29, 2013 at 11:45 am
          2. samualvimes

            I had to look Poes law up.
            And now…. I can’t help but wonder…what if Dinsdale ISN’T joking and actually means all this stuff?
            Mind Blown!

            July 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm
          3. Dinsdale Pirannha

            I am not joking. Take a look at the long term changes to game mechanics that have been implemented by CCP over the last 3 or 4 years. Watch the changes coming starting with the December 2013 iteration. I you don’t think the bulk of these changes have not been made to enhance the RMT potential for the cartel leaders, you are pretty naive.

            CCP has stated publicly that they love what is happening in null sec. the goon soundwave stated flatly that he thinks mega-coalitions are great for the game, and if CCP ever changed the mechanics to reduce their power, it would not be Eve anymore.

            And lastly, do some research work regarding the Serenity server, and see how that game is dominated already by null sec cartels, and I mean the whole game, including high sec. That is the business model the goons are shooting for, though I doubt even they can reach that level of reach.

            July 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm
          4. samualvimes

            Citation needed.

            No the changes have not been to benefit the Goons. The goons however are ruthlessly efficient at taking advantage of any changes before they hit the server due to some incredibly clever people in their budget/market/finance team.

            plus please provide any evidence that they RMT. Any at all I’m waiting. Also any link to the December patchnotes would also be well received.

            there have been many changes that would have screwed over an alliance who was not willing to adapt.

            1)the initial moongoo rebalance, Goons were nowhere near Deklein they moved in AFTER.

            2) The more recent Odyssey changes nerfed almost all of the CFCs income. They had to go against potentially the whole of EVE in PL,N3,TEST etc to secure enough R64s to feel comfortable. Not to mention T1 ship rebalancing has brought the general value of T2 down as why fly T2 when T1 is only a little worse and can be insured?

            Soundwave is right to support what the big coalitions do. There are literally thousands of people all willing to support one cause. HOW IS THAT NOT EPIC!

            Now I hate goons in game but I can respect them as an entity, Please for the love of all that is binary please take the tinfoil off it’s starting to meld onto your head.

            July 29, 2013 at 7:29 pm
    4. Luwc

      Jump and Titan Bridges . Welcome to Null Sec.

      July 29, 2013 at 7:48 am Reply
    5. stone

      Well they will Titan bridge on a 3 man cloaky t3 gang. Test for months has roamed CFC space and others. Hostile gangs roaming up there is old news. And they have pos gunners and shut down cynos and lock down systems in minutes. Invading the CFC anywhere wouldn’t be easy. Nothing stops them from repelling an invader and then going off to knock down their door. Or even postponing until this war is over and then send bolps in to piss on your sandcastle before they really invade.

      July 29, 2013 at 10:18 pm Reply
  4. Kicker

    TEST should read Art of War

    July 29, 2013 at 6:52 am Reply
    1. Rene Winther

      TEST should read Playboy

      July 29, 2013 at 7:42 am Reply
      1. Potatoehead

        … Who doesn’t?

        July 29, 2013 at 10:09 am Reply
      2. Kamar Raimo

        TEST can read?

        July 29, 2013 at 11:11 am Reply
  5. In all honesty, I was surprised with the way TEST pushed this last fight. They fielded more pilots than N3 has the entire war. I may find myself attempting to find a home with TEST soon. TEST may have lost the Fountain War, but they did so swinging. And that speaks a lot for who they are. It’s not every day you see a single Alliance go up against the largest Coalition in the game.

    July 29, 2013 at 7:27 am Reply
    1. bye

      “It’s not every day you see a single Alliance go up against the largest Coalition in the game”

      you’re going to make a great eve journalist.

      July 29, 2013 at 8:22 am Reply
    2. Kicker

      Single Alliance is TEST, NC., S2N etc.? Wow how your mind works I dont know.

      July 29, 2013 at 9:25 am Reply
    3. Greb

      Perhaps we should be looking at this idea that they fielded so many people and still lost as a negative trait ? Why is it good if you can suicide your members in record numbers ? I would hesitate to line up behind the guy who is known to “go out swinging”. He will just drag you down with him every time.

      Test ideals and leadership are a dead weight that should be carefully considered before wearing it around your neck. In two years they may let your hard work be stolen or thrown away with bad decisions.

      July 29, 2013 at 11:44 am Reply
    4. samualvimes

      Yeah TEST showed that although they were defeated they certainly were not broken.
      Big Kudos to everyone in TEST yesterday.

      July 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm Reply
    5. Devlon18

      Until we realise our leadership is rotten to the core stay away. Last night was Test line members binding together and stepping up to fill in the blanks our useless Leadership Team left behind while they silently evacced to Delve.

      Once we get a viable command team and a CEO who can actually lead an alliance then please we’ll be more than welcome to have you but until then for your own good wait until we get rid of the dead weight at the top.

      July 29, 2013 at 2:31 pm Reply
  6. Luwc

    and another one falls to the CFC

    July 29, 2013 at 7:52 am Reply
    1. Ming Tso

      You must be talking about that CFC Titan.

      July 29, 2013 at 6:56 pm Reply
      1. Luwc

        that doesnt make any sence.

        July 30, 2013 at 7:56 am Reply
  7. Bye

    Dead games are dead. Non-goon null sec pilots, keep pretending you’re relevant. Pretend that you never banded together to take down ONE coalition after their income had been nerfed to shit. Pretend they didn’t buy off, infiltrate, and kick your ass so you can keep playing.

    Pretend their isn’t a coalition that can just decide to take your space, and do it.

    July 29, 2013 at 7:55 am Reply
    1. Dikreathz

      talking avbout things to nerf :)

      July 29, 2013 at 8:57 am Reply
  8. Dennis the Dreamer

    The winner of it all is HODOR

    July 29, 2013 at 8:50 am Reply
    1. Blick Mang


      July 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm Reply
  9. a neutral guy

    guys u tried to destroy something from out side but u cant bec its to big so try to strike were does it hurts in the heart

    July 29, 2013 at 9:23 am Reply
  10. All your space belongs to us

    So with Fountain in our pockets we can prepare for the next big invasion of the Swarm.
    You better get good diplo’s and make alot of friends, this war machine is just getting warmed and pumped up.
    We still have to revenge the words of Vince Draken wiping CFC of the map.
    Bullying Rogue a friend of Razor.
    And its seems our Legion of Death wants the Drone regions back.

    Stage is set to the East soon enough, i only hope it takes longer then a few weeks to grind trough that shit.
    6VDT made alot of countless hours of structure grinding worth it.
    But a real trench war it was not.

    The East and how we rape it, stayed tuned for the next crushing victory of the Clusterfuck Coalition.
    Will the Mighty Emperor The Mittani ever be stopped ? find out in the next episode of Eve Online.

    I was There

    July 29, 2013 at 10:06 am Reply
  11. nullibro

    wow what a rubbish war ..back to dullsec i guess , any chance PL and NCdot can actually make a difference in the next war ?

    July 29, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
    1. Forgive__Me

      Well they failed to do that this war (aside for delaying the inevitable a bit) … so … not a chance at this point.

      July 29, 2013 at 12:22 pm Reply
      1. Red Orchestra

        NC. already tried fighting goons on their own in Tribute. They cannot do that on their own. So test needs to sort their shit out and actually do what they can do best – outblob to fuck. This is first time in my life I see 12k useless people grouped together. They even fail do provide a proper meat shield…

        July 29, 2013 at 12:49 pm Reply
        1. nullbro

          you are forgetting NC. held tribute far longer ,and this time they had far more friends than tribute ,this was the last time to realistically end goon dominance in 0.0 ,from here on its going to be a slippery downward spiral to a eve server similar to china .

          maybe then it will get fixed but if you think NCdot and PL leadership aren’t already in bed with goons you are retarded. at least nulli and co tried.

          July 29, 2013 at 12:58 pm Reply
          1. Red Orchestra

            If only u knew a quarter of what I know…. :)

            July 29, 2013 at 1:04 pm
          2. lulz

            ie: pertending to be important.

            July 29, 2013 at 2:21 pm
          3. red back at ya

            He would be chock full of shit…

            July 29, 2013 at 2:24 pm
          4. Forgive__Me

            ‘[…]maybe then it will get fixed[…]’ – What are you talking about? A well organised group of individuals with common goals and similar views? What need’s fixing exactly?

            ‘Fixing’ things implies that something is broken, what is that?

            July 29, 2013 at 5:20 pm
        2. Fartolio

          meat shields do cost.

          July 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm Reply
        3. Titus Veridius

          Oh…was NC fighting alone in Tribute/Venal?

          July 29, 2013 at 2:52 pm Reply
        4. Sold

          Dude, are you blind? TEST/Tribe threw 1700 people into 6VDT. CFC had 2300. System was reinforced onto the Jita super-node for this fight, and we maxed it out. There was no out-blobbing possible by either side. N3 showed up but couldn’t get into system because it was at the population cap.

          July 29, 2013 at 5:45 pm Reply
          1. orly?

            Both sides had substantial resources they did -not- commit to this fight. To think CFC wasn’t deep in the bench is pure foolishness…

            July 29, 2013 at 5:53 pm
          2. Shayne O'Blisk

            Yep , there where nearly 1000 logged into the CFC staging area ready to move whilst the system was maxed out. We could have kept escalating and escalating that glorious mess had the technology allowed us to. Maybe others could have too

            August 1, 2013 at 3:06 am
          3. POPCAPLOL

            There was no Population cap. its been said repeatedly by CCP. the CPU was at 100%. so loging in to system was speratic some times it worked some times it didnt.

            July 29, 2013 at 6:06 pm
  12. dullsecbored

    I’m quite disappointed at BL, PL and NC. This was a nice chance for them to upset the balances of power, bring some life to nullsec. Alas, the urge to protect their interests and income won this war again, and now it’s back to dullsec like nullibro said.

    I’m seriously contemplating leaving Eve. I’ll just store my stuff somewhere in highsec and wait for better times I guess.

    July 29, 2013 at 3:20 pm Reply
    1. Cry a little more

      Please do.

      July 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm Reply
    2. GSection

      Please do because we all fleet up only to make you happy.

      July 29, 2013 at 8:19 pm Reply
    3. TheMittani

      Can I have your stuff?

      July 30, 2013 at 3:04 am Reply
  13. orly?

    So the Fountain campaign is nearing conclusion. Much grinding, building of sov. structures and inevitable harassment loom on the horizon but the grand-scale combat is most likely over. For those wondering, the war wagon won’t stop here. The one thing you can count on in Eve is constant war. Moons, timers, alliances, treachery etc all create content.

    BL. PL and NC.’s leaders are under no obligation to create content for anyone other than their own membership. I haven’t been watching PL of late but if you ask around the BL and NC. tables I think they’re getting their share of content.

    If you don’t like the present state of Eve Online perhaps you should check with your employer, because you’re in the wrong corporation. The fight’s out there, it’s waiting every day for pilots to undock and join the fray.

    July 29, 2013 at 3:35 pm Reply
  14. Observer

    I really thought the combined forces of all the goon-hating alliances would put up a solid fight, but apparently there is just no substitute for the centralized planing and authority of the kind only the CFC has. In the end they just picked apart everyone and won. This was the one big chance to shut them down, and now they are back where they started — rich again, with lots of isk flowing in. Until The Mittani leaves Eve, noone will ever stop Goons & co.

    July 29, 2013 at 4:13 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      That is what people were saying about NC before their fall from power and the NC had more numbers and more isk

      July 29, 2013 at 5:10 pm Reply
      1. Observer

        But they didn’t have The Mittani. A centralized authority figure that is a larger-than-life demi-god that everyone rallies around. He transcends political changes and provides continuity. And he’s a political and diplomatic genius, too, which means even if he can’t beat you in a war he’ll somehow beat you wihtout one.

        July 29, 2013 at 10:25 pm Reply
        1. Your fwiendly lil Fwedditor

          The organization and management of the CFC is the real key. The Mittani as a figurehead is certainly a huge part of it, and no one will deny that he is an unbelievably skilled leader. But one of the facets of being a great leader is appropriate delegation. If Mittani disappeared for a few weeks very little would likely change. The infrastructure he put in place would keep things running smoothly.

          The CFC could fall if he left Eve, but more likely due to infighting and power grabbing than because he was omnipotent and propping it up. But lets hope we don’t have to find out. All hail The Mittani!

          July 30, 2013 at 9:00 am Reply
          1. Shayne O'Blisk

            Not even. The various structures have been through multiple leaders and with the exception of Kartoon and mittens first short botched attempt at leadership, prospered through all of them, even Remedial (perhaps especially remedial) , a crazed libertarian ron paul fan with some …. eccentric… views on well everything. The CFC leadership would simply move another leader into place , or maybe cycle through two or three till the right one was in place. The figurehead is there to provide a rallying point for the rabble, but the *machine* is well oiled and can run without him.

            August 1, 2013 at 3:03 am
  15. wtf?

    The fuck is this? This isn’t an article. It’s a forum post

    July 29, 2013 at 7:19 pm Reply
    1. Notarealnewswebsite

      This is eve”news” 24

      July 30, 2013 at 3:03 am Reply

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