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After careful consideration, I decided to finally come out and write the article. The War in Fountain is in no way stagnant for those pilots who are participating in the massive battles or for the pilots looking in through the window. Unfortunately, those passing by see nothing more than a small suburban home with tattered flamingos scattered across the lawn.

The only real movement recently was the 9-V system flipping from TEST to the CFC. The war has been going on for a couple of months now and both sides are locked in a massive tug of war. “Not winning fast enough” slurs and taunts are going out from the propaganda crews. Truth of the matter is, I doubt any group is putting a time table on winning/losing in this particular battle. This is the first major fight eve has seen in a long time where both entities are evenly matched.

There are some differences in these “evenly matched” statements tho. The CFC clearly dominate the US Timezone. N3 clearly dominates the AU Timezone. And the EU Timezone is contested but swings in N3’s favor the majority of the time.

In my eyes, there are 4 major points of an EvE Online war of this magnitude:

– Strategy
– Propaganda
– Attrition
– Finances

With the 9-V system flipping to the CFC, the first in quite a while, we can determine that the CFC are pushing on the Strategic front of the war. Their FC’s are accomplishing strategic objectives, and their pilots are following command.

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The Propaganda machine is always turning. I am in N3 myself and my views will be bias, but I do not attempt to create an atmosphere for N3 on EN24. Some argue that EN24 is pro N3 while the Mittani’s website is pro CFC. That’s not entirely correct. Just as there are N3 and CFC editors here on EN24, there are N3 and CFC editors over on other news sites as well. Each with their own agenda for writing up articles and publishing propaganda. Needless to say, each and every article published by any news site will have a bitter bias behind it. And as long as the article makes you think or become passionate about the title, it has done it’s job.

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Attrition is the #1 killer of wars, especially wars of this magnitude. N3 recently had a State of the Coalition meeting where they mentioned that their US Timezone was hurting. We can see TEST fleets falling behind the fleets we once saw in Delve. We see the CFC fleets surge at times and cower at others. We are in the summer months and there are quite a few vacations going on. It’s a little early to tell whether or not people are not logging in because of the gears of war or due to having a real life.

Finances is the backbone of a war. SRP, Sov Structures. You cannot wage a war without financial backing. Going into this war, we saw the CFC invading fountain for the R64’s. We jumped to the conclusion that the CFC were expanding due to the tech nerfs we recently received. This is quite true but to say the CFC is broke is an ignorant statement. The CFC is also playing quite smart. They need fountain to generate the income they once lived on. They have quite the treasury. So the goons send out cheaper ships “Bombers / Caracals” in their off times to accomplish strategic objectives at minimal loss while they place the more expensive Mega’s in fleets during prime time for less opposition. This prevents loss and prevents the treasury from taking unnecessary hits. But the goons are going up against N3 with the largest renter empire in the game. We heard about the 400 billion isk scam a few weeks ago which put a dent in the N3 treasury. During the Coalition Meeting, however, we learned that N3 is in no way broke and from other intel, it appears they have expanded the Tech 3 SRP to the entire Coalition.

In short, both of the entities are extremely powerful and both are pushing head on into Fountain. 2 EvE Giants face off with the resources needed to prolong this war for years.

But…

A wildcard has appeared. A Giant in it’s own right. Solar Fleet has begun their push back into their ancestral homeland of the East. Taking systems in The Spire, Cache and Insmother, they continue to push back the smaller alliances of the Wicked Creek Coalition and are gobbling up abandoned space left by N3 while deployed. Solar Fleet is an anomaly among EvE Online Alliances.

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They are self sufficient and when they lose Sov, they don’t cascade. On the contrary, they grow stronger. And now that Summer has come, they have released that rage and are forcing themselves back into the equation.

N3 cannot fight two fronts. They cannot fight the war in Fountain while an aggressive Solar Fleet gobbles their Sov like a cracked out Pac-Man on a power pixel benge. N3 has the capability of reacquiring the Sov Solar Fleet has obtained but it will cost them in Fountain.

Now comes the questions. Is N3 powerful enough to deploy a strategic group to head back to the East to go head to head with Solar Fleet while the bulk of the Coalition is Deployed? While N3 need to bring front line grunts to protect their renter empire? Will Fountain fall to the CFC with Solar Fleet hacking away at N3’s isk generator?

We will have to see how this chapter of EvE Online unfolds in the coming weeks. Stay tuned for more updates.

– Exversion

133 Comments

  1. Duh

    Why is the CFC portrayed as an old man with coke bottle glasses and a tron helmet on en24 art?

    July 18, 2013 at 7:09 pm Reply
    1. DuhHuh

      Sounds to me like you are describing the mittani?

      July 18, 2013 at 7:12 pm Reply
    2. riverini

      Because back in the day we used to put pop culture stuff in our banners, there were also two GS there, so I used the bees for the waffes and the tron duders for the GSFs since I once googled the word “Goon” and the tron guy appeared, in the end it stuck and i left it as it.

      For B0B/IT I used heath ledger’s joker, merc coalition used some expendable stuff.

      July 18, 2013 at 7:15 pm Reply
  2. Chuck Snorris

    MittaniTron to the rescue!

    July 18, 2013 at 7:21 pm Reply
  3. Ackilles

    The truth of it is that the war was lost for the fountain coalition during the fight where CFC forces had 100+ capitals pinned down and were chewing through them. While they were rescued inadvertently by CCP that battle broke the illusion of invincibility the slowcat army was operating under. Since that fight they have been far more cautious about fielding capitals which has been their only truly discernible advantage in the past month or so. The allied fountain forces’ moral has been coming apart steadily since then with fewer in fleets and far fewer fleets in general.

    N3 has been the driving force thus far in Fountain, without them the region would likely already be nearly entirely under CFC control. This is a lose-lose situation for N3. They can stay here and maybe bolster the flagging fountain coalition for a time while losing all of their sov holdings in the East and thus their ability to continuously fund SRP programs. Or they can return home, save their sov as Fountain falls. At that point the CFC will be done with Fountain and N3 will suddenly be in a war vs the Solar Empire and the ClusterFuck Coalition.

    Good luck with that.

    July 18, 2013 at 7:33 pm Reply
    1. The problem with your statement is that the pinned down capitals that were saved due to a crash were only a fraction of the capitals that the fountain campaign had. It was not the “slowcat” army that many want to believe. What has been mentioned a few times is that the greater N3 capital fleet was being pinged and forming to jump into the fight. Unfortunately, the greater capital fleet was unable to do so due to the node crashing. We will never know how far that fight would have escalated or how many trillions of isk would have been lost.

      But as I stated above, those pro to CFC and those pro to N3 will argue on behalf of their respected sides. You have given your views from the CFC side and I have countered them with my own from the N3 side in this comment.

      As for being a lose lose situation, we will have to see how N3 adapts to the current progression of the war. It’s still completely in the air at this point and we won’t know which way the hammer will fall until something snaps.

      July 18, 2013 at 7:46 pm Reply
      1. Ackilles

        You missed my point entirely. The loss of those capitals, while significant is hardly a war ending event. The real loss there was the shattering of that belief in invincibility and the subsequent fear of dropping capitals. That was truly the greatest victory achieved in that system that day. The fountain forces without that massive slowcat blob have suffered far more defeats than victories since and moral is continuously dropping as the war proceedds.

        July 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm Reply
        1. N3 Fanbud

          Wonder which dropping moral you mean? N3 Coalition is more than before willing to bring justice to the CFC faggs. Spending some time in ts, welping some goon fleets, drinking beer and laughing about Mittens and his try to save his RL income by claiming Fountain. This is somewhat good entertainment.

          For u guys it’s just saving mittens money so he can be a douchebag in and outgame, for us it’s just a game. If we lose, someone other will try it a year later. EVE now knows that the CFC is far away from beeing unstopable, like ur propaganda always try to suggest. U guys are stopable, ur fleets can be welped. That’s why u will lose that war someday. Because EVE knows u are just a bunch of robots lead by a guy that is just taking advantage of ur unabillity to play this game.

          July 18, 2013 at 10:26 pm Reply
          1. Derp

            Blah blah blah RMT blah blah blah RMT. That the best you can do? Mixed in with your inability to spell inability (see what i did there?) one has to question your intelligence. Also, there are very very few players in eve that actually show signs of “skill.” This game is primarily about knowledge and skill very rarely matters much outside of the FC. You can pretend you are super l33t pvp, but frankly the vast majority of the eve player base (including yourself) play at a skill level where if translated to a dipshit game like World of Warcraft would be a laughing stock. Here is a protip, if you click modules or any other thing ingame to activate it where there is a hot-key available you are TRASH. Feel free to thank me, I’ve just increased your player skill more than months of focused pvp.

            July 19, 2013 at 12:29 am
          2. N3 Fanbud

            Oh boy u just hurt my feelings! Should I feel bad now and go for mommy and cry because of ur bad words?

            Seriously, I don’t care what u think about my “skill level” or my knowledge about this game. I started to play this game while it was in Beta. U know the time u boy weared ur pampers, while mommy and daddy told u to hurt u with that empty bottle jim beam if u don’t stop to choke the cat .

            In fact, do ur carebearing business as u’ve done since some years now. I guess u are that kind of player that wonders why his mighty UBAR ratting carrier always gets popped while mining with ur hordes of mining drones in ur coalition staging system.

            So before u start to tell me that there are hotkeys, u should primarily start to use ur brain to get ur head out of mittens ass. Because there are far more ppl that wants to plug their heads into his ass, and ur head is blocking them from doing that.

            July 19, 2013 at 9:55 am
          3. Dave The Rave

            Oh dear, please feel free never to post again, you are clearly a special little snowflake.

            July 19, 2013 at 7:53 pm
          4. Robocop

            “EVE now knows that the CFC is far away from beeing unstopable, like ur
            propaganda always try to suggest. U guys are stopable, ur fleets can be
            welped.”

            have we missed something ? is fountain free again ? are CFC fleet welps new ?

            no. the only thing we have learned is that N3 security standards are very bad. that they can’t fight the CFC so they pass on the most fleet fights. they have a new hobby called “travel fleet to save some renter space on the other side of the univers for several billion fuel costs a night”.

            they burn so much fucking money for this jumping from one side to the other, it’s really hilarious. and guess what ? yes, when they have picked up all the space again from solar and have moved to somewhere else, the whole sov grinding in drone space starts again.

            N3 will loose for several points like missing basic standards, bad communication, huge egos and arrogant behave, permanent back stabbing, coalition build up on pets, DD in the south and solar in the east. but the best part is the permanent call for an ally like PL, who likes to kill everybody when they can’t win easy because the “PL has to do what PL does” bullshit. other call it permanent back stabbing :)

            July 19, 2013 at 7:17 am
          5. Fartolio

            Sad for you, boyz, is the fact he always wins. And you boyz always looke. Like all RL looserz do, laughing and drinking beer and getting in fact nothing. In reality, you pro-ness resumes to hurt quick ppl and then run. You never srsly stand for a place, never face somethign hard to get. You get the laugh, he gets the money. Who do you think it’s winning? And most fun for me is the fact you know all this.

            July 19, 2013 at 9:34 am
          6. N3 Fanbud

            u should contact a local psychologist, because I guess u can’t even distinguish RL from game. Why should u offend my RL if u don’t rlly know me if it’s not because of a psychological disorder

            July 19, 2013 at 10:02 am
          7. Guest

            I have heard your coms. What a bunch of deluded fools. Did we win? No, you just lost over 80 Domi’s and are hiding in a camped station. you didn’t win! hilarious stuff!

            July 19, 2013 at 12:58 pm
        2. daboo

          exactly and that is another big disadvantage for NC./PL. their drone renter space is big but easy to drop from a handful of systems. there will be a time where it wont work to just drop some supers and slowcats without support to defend that space. on the other hand you can’t control those space via scouts to get the right impression whats going on and what you will face in the next fight. dropping capitals and supers is always a higher risk than elsewhere.

          CFC showed how to pin down the slowcats and it doesn’t matter if you had more cap backups. you can’t keep those backups always on every side of the univers. slowcats will be a more and more juicier target in the futur for the right counter.

          so, on which side of the univers will NC./PL now fight for ages ?

          drone space renter space are the heaven in one hand, but the hell in the other hand. and solar really knows how to play this game.

          July 18, 2013 at 10:35 pm Reply
          1. anon

            “Never piss off the Russians,” quality quote to live by in Eve Online lol

            July 19, 2013 at 12:37 am
          2. Robo

            Lol so bad “solar really knows how to play this game” soooo bad.

            Solar leach like they have for many a year off of undeffended sov. Grinding like a plague of rats then hiding in the shadows as soon as any opposition comes past.
            Solar being bought out by mittens failed them in the dotbros war when solar fought with cfc, to gain the aid of Failzor whilst losing their sov to N3 for the very same reason that like now, solar also leached moons and tried taking the easy road while Dotbros were already fighting the biggest cancerous blob in eve.
            Solar failed to do anything of note then and failed to take anything from a Dotbros fighting on 2x fronts.
            There will be no difference here, solar only cement there bad decisions by leaching.
            If they did not underachiever so often, maybe not have Mactsp pulling them down, then they could of been invading the north and taking what ever space they like of more value tha. Drone regions.
            But again solar thinks about its next foot step and not the next jouration of journey, Solars short sight and greedy/easy option choices will always be its down fall in the long run!

            July 19, 2013 at 1:06 am
          3. angrybear

            hiding in the shadows as soon as any opposition comes past? Seems you arnt from n3 coalition + friends but still you hopefully have enough brain to understand why they formed such a blob to fight a 2k man alliance. Also lets not forget later they also started doing joint fleets cuz progress wasnt being made fast enough

            July 19, 2013 at 9:47 am
        3. yo123123

          Bullshit :) There never was any belief in slowcat invincibility. Slowcat fleets have been stood down prior to that incident when risk was too high for welp… As for morale: morale is excellent on test side, you should really stop giving the metric of fleet numbers such importance. Granted, the adaption to mega/fuckyou fleet took test and n3 a while… but anyone saying cfc is doing fine these days is completely out of the loop

          July 18, 2013 at 10:42 pm Reply
          1. zzzzzzzzzz

            Why is it that Test is no longer fielding fleets with the consistency they used to be able too? Why are they and their allies raging at the fact that their players no longer log in, and that when they do half of the battleship pilots show up as rifters? Why is the sov line slowly being pushed out? Why does the CFC capture (and rape the defending fleet) a station system during a TZ that Test and pals have vast superiority over? Especially given that that OP was so incredibly hyped by test leadership with tons of pings and forum posts?

            If you seriously think that Test+Pets are in a position of dominance right now you are in for quite a wake-up call. Go ahead and leave all your shit in 6vdt, i’ll buy it for 50% of jita value from you in a few weeks.

            July 19, 2013 at 12:36 am
          2. Fartolio

            Morale is excellent in Test because there were always others to die for them. To pay their welps. And so on. I see 1 Testie to 5 allies, usually.
            They already lost Fountain, and they know it. If not to CFC, i wonder if they believe that their precious allies will allow them to come back to Fountain, if they win. Well, prolly as renters, yeah, they will come back. Still i must say i admire the regular Test Grunt dreaming of Pink Unicorns farting rainbows. But shure as hell, their leadership knew from start that Fountain is gone. Important was who moves first. Montolio knew that.

            July 19, 2013 at 5:14 am
        4. Robo

          Well since PL are fading about with tourne, and 401k are killing goons in south ATM also. I’d say N3/test are doing a grand job of mitigating loss to real minimums. I’d pretty much gaurantee after tourne/summer people will be able to get online alot more and numbers and a counter attack will likely happen.
          Many things in motion, havin cfc believe they have n3/test on the ropes is ignorant but what do you expect from nerd herders who pile isk into mittens RL wallet while sucking his mini dong.

          July 18, 2013 at 10:49 pm Reply
          1. Guest

            401k are indeed a formidable force, completely swinging the fountain conflict… wait, what?

            July 19, 2013 at 12:51 pm
        5. CorruptGameisCorrupt

          What I find the most disturbing about this is that everyone knows this douche bag is RMTing in-game assets and CCP allows it. CCP I have noticed that little number displaying people online getting lower and lower almost on a daily basis. CCP, you’ll get whats coming to you for being corrupt little fucks.

          July 20, 2013 at 12:39 am Reply
          1. ---

            Your opinion =/= fact. If you want to be taken seriously lets have some proof.

            And since login numbers have been going up since christmas 2011 including a new record a month ago all you are doing is showing everyone what a dumb fuck you really are.

            July 20, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    2. slash345

      Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

      +1

      July 18, 2013 at 8:43 pm Reply
  4. Dirk Hardpeck

    Your can rest assured, after all the involvement n3/ncdot have had with the fountain campaign, there will be severe consequences. PL was wise to bow out when they did. Progod will sooner or later realise the error of his ways. CFC will stop at Delve and pay close attention to N3/NCdot. As much as the ‘Come at us Bro’ and ‘Gudfytes’ jargen that TEST once used to spew everywhere; N3/NCdot will go silent aswell.

    July 18, 2013 at 7:49 pm Reply
    1. PL afraid of CFC?

      In other words you think PL was too afraid to stay in the war.

      July 18, 2013 at 8:16 pm Reply
      1. Dirk Hardpeck

        I Don’t think PL is afraid, I think there risk adverse, and as good as it makes them look, don’t want to fight along side an incompetent ally/victim. Meatshields eventually wear out, and when they do, where do you think we are going to start looking? They guys who give jabs and hooks where were open or the guys who ‘exist to kill the cfc’

        July 18, 2013 at 8:20 pm Reply
        1. pl afraid of cfc?

          When/if the meatshields wear out cfc will most likely return to carebearing like they did for years before this war.

          Or are you saying goons/cfc will now after years of being the isk efficient carebears, all of a sudden start attacking everyone like BOB used to?

          It would be nice for null sec. But its not likely. Not unless Mittani finds something else to do besides eve, because as long as he is head of cfc the carebear cry of isk efficiency will be the rule.

          July 18, 2013 at 8:44 pm Reply
          1. Dirk Hardpeck

            I really dont think isk/efficiency was ever a issue with the goons/cfc. If theres anything we ever get pinged/bitched about its participation/pap links. I lost some really dumb shit out there in fleets and never once heard about isk/efficency.

            Also, were not like bob, BOB was a bunch of shitlords/elitist. We just want some more money, and pity the fool who gets in our way. CFC is terrible, we admit that, but atleast, unlike test, we learn from our mistakes

            July 18, 2013 at 8:48 pm
          2. pl afraid of cfc?

            The whole war is for isk. If yoru current region was as valuable you would still be carebearing there instead of starting this war.
            In other words past history of cfc directly contradicts your theory that cfc will be fighting wars with anyone after they get their new region to carebear.

            July 18, 2013 at 8:55 pm
          3. Guest

            I am pretty sure the CFC spends as much if not more time at war than “carebearing”. Even when “carebearing” squads were on deployment rather than killing red crosses

            July 19, 2013 at 12:47 pm
        2. just sayin

          Or maybe they’ve redeployed to another strategic theater of this conflict? Dunno. I was you I would be following their KB and seeing what kind of kills and where they appear. Just sayin…

          July 18, 2013 at 10:21 pm Reply
  5. old timer

    first , i dont think N3 is winning the eutz at all. it’ s cfc strongest tz , and its in that tz that goons are reinforcing stuff to create timers.
    as in the tribute war , the N3 is setting defensive timers in autz , the only one they dominate.
    the 9-V impressive cfc display of 800+ pilots at 7h30 evetime should remain an exception, but commitment is strong amongst cfc pilots , maybe they can alarm clock again a few time while the majority of autz remains under N3 control

    for the rest , the article is not too biased , its more a question of point of vue.

    about solar , i think N3 will deal with it quiet easely , but there are like 50 systems to take back , 10 stations… and this time they have ihubs , and surely will be contested.
    so it all depends how long it will take N3 to kick solar back , cause if the remaining anti goon forces in fountain stay without reinforcement for too long , they might loose some chunks of space , or even collaps… depending on the pressure the cfc will be able to put on them , as the author said , its vacations all around.
    one may also keep an eye on the N3 alliances that have stayed in the east , as many of them are in poor shape, if not failcascading , having internal dramas and such. its them bringing numbers to N3 , and if the situatin goes worse , it might become a real problem.

    another interesting thing to follow will be the attitude of PL.
    they offically left fountain in order to prepare for alliance tournament. lol .
    why did they really left ? will they come back ? when ?

    July 18, 2013 at 7:55 pm Reply
  6. Javafanatic

    Interesting how your opening statement totally disregards the fact that CFC has captured everything between J5A and 3WE. Let’s just pretend that didn’t really happen. Other than that notshit worth noting.

    July 18, 2013 at 7:56 pm Reply
    1. Key word being “Recently”. The majority of those systems were taken a month ago with 1 of them being a Mistakes were Made gifted system. Only 3 of those systems have been taken by CFC this month, 2 of them being near the CFC staging area.

      Those systems that were taken this month, aside from 9-V were not contested by TEST/N3 whether unable to go up against the CFC at the time or whether it was not strategically safe to commit a fleet to their defense. 9-V is the first real “step forward” the CFC have accomplished in a month now. Not attempting to say “You’re winning too slow” merely saying that for a month, it’s been in gridlock with these 2 powerhouses punching each other in the face.

      July 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm Reply
      1. Devore

        And the only ones making forward progress are CFC. VFK by when?

        July 19, 2013 at 4:54 am Reply
      2. ---

        sorry but are you saying that z9pp wasn’t contested? This doesn’t even read like propaganda, it just makes you sound dumb.

        July 20, 2013 at 1:52 pm Reply
  7. qwer

    Those russians are just damn… russians. Like disabled child who has had an idea that best way to get candy is do it by smashing the shelf door with head and continue doing it no matter what happens, even if the fucking candy isn’t there anymore smashing still continues. You can see this behavior pretty much every online game where you can – no have to – play with russians.

    July 18, 2013 at 7:57 pm Reply
    1. bozs13

      I get what you’re saying, but, having fought solar in quite a few fleets, I’d say that while they are semi retarded, they do know how to actually bring numbers, even when not in their TZ. One good thing, though, is that they usually won’t fight unless they know 100% that they can win. Drop a cyno jammer where you’re going to fight and they suddenly stand down.

      July 18, 2013 at 8:05 pm Reply
      1. Robo

        Solar can bring a fight. However they are more like Russian rats than Russian bears, since they usually only strike when any compitition is the other side of new Eden.

        July 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm Reply
      2. orly?

        You can’t deny Solar are survivors…

        July 19, 2013 at 2:19 pm Reply
  8. Little Bee

    Sorry to burst that bubble there exversion…

    But uhm CFC seem to dominate every timezone :PWe lost what since the Megathron doctrine ? 2 half fleets ?
    Punches are taken and received, but this piece of propoganda doesnt hold even a few facts m8.
    Maybe you left out all the big kicks in the face from the CFC on purpose ?

    Either way if they still think this war can be won by Test / N3 / PL they might wanne step up asap before their participation drops even further…
    How many beatings can you get before you had enough ?

    Test is on the verge of collapse ( pun intended )
    Isk is a major problem for them currently.
    Solar smelling blood and try to get back their space.
    NC. cant do this shit alone, they are not even a threat without the backup of all their friends.

    I know the truth is shit to hear.
    But a few more fights like we had last times and this war is in the bag, if it isnt already over….

    July 18, 2013 at 8:27 pm Reply
    1. No bubbles are burst here mate.

      “Maybe you left out all the big kicks in the face from the CFC on purpose ?”

      There are far too many battle reports to sift through. There are some I have been a part of where we lost. There have been some where we won. As the saying goes “You lose some, you win some”.

      What I am pointing out is the bigger picture. I never meant for this to be a propaganda piece. I have given praise to CFC and N3 both even tho I am in N3. I question both and I am most critical about N3 because these are my guys. They are my friends and my family. Just like CFC is yours.

      The bigger picture is simply this. We have 2 power houses duking it out. Fleets have been lost from both sides. CFC has finally, after a month, pushed forward with 9-V. I fail to see the CFC having a superior fleet in AUTZ.

      **WARNING PROPAGANDA**

      If I wanted to add Propaganda to this article, I would mention how the CFC were dunking fleets left and right, losing sov in the east, being torn down the middle by N3/Test and BL/401k until BL was bought out and redeployed to assist the CFC.

      I’d also mention how the CFC outnumber the TEST/N3 Coalition by quite a large margin of pilots.

      **END PROPAGANDA**

      But I keep that stuff out of the articles. To sum it up, this is my view of the war from an N3 standpoint. It will be bias but I’m not trying to make one side look better than the other. I’m calling it as I see it.

      July 18, 2013 at 8:37 pm Reply
    2. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      The Goons are not a threat either without the CFC… your point???

      July 18, 2013 at 9:47 pm Reply
      1. duh

        The CFC isn’t going anywhere but fountain, and n3 has to shuttle back and forth or lose more sov.

        July 18, 2013 at 11:53 pm Reply
  9. Aristash

    When N3 goes back to cache they will see not only SolarFleet))) Info 193%

    July 18, 2013 at 8:31 pm Reply
    1. Dirk Hardpeck

      Killer bee’s have been known to chase attackers for miles and miles, regions and regions

      July 18, 2013 at 8:32 pm Reply
      1. N3 Fanbud

        There’s nothing better then some barrels filled with juicy insecticide. So come up with ur KILLER bee’s and show us how far u can reach before we stomp ur asses with our juicy insecticide.

        July 18, 2013 at 9:22 pm Reply
        1. lol

          wow, you just finished getting bent over that fountain station and your already talking smack?

          July 18, 2013 at 11:51 pm Reply
          1. N3 Guy

            Ha ha!
            One station system and you guys think you will win the war and steamroll the opposition.
            Just unsub.

            July 19, 2013 at 9:42 am
          2. N3 Fanbud

            While u guys thinking the war is won by ur side, we are going to take a deep look at it. This war needs close attention before doing next steps to a new EVE without gewns. Just think what u want, u know ur time has come to leave the place.

            July 19, 2013 at 9:46 am
        2. JaseEVE

          Those bees were genetically engineered by Monsanto’s Mittani Division. Even DDT itself only fuels their drive to win.

          July 19, 2013 at 4:32 pm Reply
      2. na

        I like what you did there.

        July 19, 2013 at 9:05 am Reply
    2. youhaa

      We are not seeing SOlar yet indeed.

      They cloak and dock.

      July 19, 2013 at 2:33 pm Reply
  10. GrouchyOldGamer

    The biggest problem Nulli and NC. have in the Fountain war is itโ€™s them that have to drive it. TEST simply donโ€™t have a critical mass of block level FCs to manage the campaign; itโ€™s being driven by NC. & Nulli FCs.

    The consequence of that is when NC. bounce back to face down SOLAR they are pinned there by their sov. Whilst NC. are there SOLAR are less aggressive, the moment NC. move back to Fountain SOLAR begin again.

    This issue is only really going to be resolved either TEST find people to herd their own nerds or PL white knight in and herd for them.

    July 18, 2013 at 9:38 pm Reply
    1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      This is scaring me GOG, you are starting to make sense.

      July 18, 2013 at 9:45 pm Reply
      1. GrouchyOldGamer

        I’m wearing you down.

        July 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm Reply
        1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

          Lemme look in my bag of tricks… I know it’s here somewhere….

          July 19, 2013 at 12:04 am Reply
    2. Devore

      This is a problem, because Nulli and NC are fighting in Fountain because :goons: I don’t think that’s a good enough reason for a long, sustained war effort. It’s far away from home, and what’s the point? They can fight Goons any where, any time.

      July 19, 2013 at 4:47 am Reply
    3. LOL

      Yea … there is one more thing tho … neither PL or N3 can face SOLAR alone. They all have to pile up there to win vs SOLAR.

      July 19, 2013 at 1:28 pm Reply
  11. Oblivious Fool
    July 18, 2013 at 9:45 pm Reply
    1. har har

      That makes you look so butt hurt its almost not funny… almost.

      July 18, 2013 at 11:49 pm Reply
  12. CyberSarge

    A note on cheap fleets, I have fought oh so many t1 destroyer and bomber fleet. I am USTZ so we really don’t get to do much except defang and reenforce towers. Taking SOV was not an objective until it happened, whats more important is taking all the r64 moons.

    July 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm Reply
  13. PLT

    Finally a decent article on EN24… what happened to all the damage control? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    But really, nice read! :)

    July 18, 2013 at 10:59 pm Reply
    1. I’m not very notorious for damage control. Only my opinions and how I see things. Still working on my notoriety. Havn’t quite reached the bar set by Goblin yet.

      July 18, 2013 at 11:14 pm Reply
      1. ScaReMoNgeRinG

        umm i dont think you want his level notoriety lol

        July 19, 2013 at 6:08 am Reply
  14. lolz

    SPAF

    July 18, 2013 at 11:05 pm Reply
  15. epic win

    “while an aggressive Solar Fleet gobbles their Sov like a cracked out Pac-Man on a power pixel benge”

    Best eve sov line ever.

    July 18, 2013 at 11:47 pm Reply
  16. Swag

    Solar Fleet Best Fleet

    July 18, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
    1. youhaa

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rp2PDkvNKo

      Show it to the Solar ‘bears lol’, maybe it helps.

      July 19, 2013 at 2:35 pm Reply
      1. Geth

        Vince, relog with main, please, and show on the doll where MACTEP touched you.

        July 19, 2013 at 3:08 pm Reply
        1. Vince

          *sniff* right on my moons *sniff*

          July 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
  17. Oberver

    Pretty much every biased en24 article deserves this brilliant meme:

    https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/552/2435/original.jpg

    July 19, 2013 at 12:13 am Reply
    1. Robo

      Isn’t that the pin up poster to cfc propaganda?

      July 19, 2013 at 12:52 am Reply
      1. Observer

        cfc propaganda is actually here.

        http://i.imgur.com/FFcaSvn.jpg

        Funny it seems as the more accurate representation of the facts than this article

        July 19, 2013 at 12:59 am Reply
        1. Robo

          Mehh seen better even by goon standards. Cfc laps up anything so no wonder pretty lack luster rubbish is a hit with the lemmings.
          Seeing as far as your nose has and will always continue to be a strong trait within goons.
          Viva la mittens…viva la Moons for masters RL wallet yada yada

          July 19, 2013 at 1:14 am Reply
          1. asasasd

            RIP Test

            July 19, 2013 at 1:33 am
        2. Imontoyou

          Observer is a goon piece of shit trying to falter the moral of the the TEST and N3 retards reading this article. Come to think about it, there is a lot of goons here. Goons: I understand your leader the Faggini was counting on being able to RMT the R64 moon by now. He has made improvements to his house and now has contractors hounding him for money. Therefore he send all the kool-aid drinking morons to the forms in an attempt to falter moral so that he might claim Fountain sooner.

          July 19, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply
          1. ---

            You seem very angry over some mediocre propaganda.

            Seems to be working.

            July 20, 2013 at 1:39 pm
  18. Really?

    “N3 is in no way broke and from other intel, it appears they have expanded the Tech 3 SRP to the entire Coalition.” hold up, since when have N3 run T3 fleets in the Fountain war? Are you talking about booster replacement?

    July 19, 2013 at 2:11 am Reply
    1. Umm. Loki Fleets?

      July 19, 2013 at 3:23 am Reply
      1. Really?

        I don’t remember seeing any of those… All i see these days are ahacs, talwars and domi’s…

        July 19, 2013 at 8:29 am Reply
        1. ....

          and? when fc calls loki, we have them ready and 10 other fleet doctrines

          July 19, 2013 at 11:46 am Reply
          1. Random scrub

            Your statement was I don’t remember seeing any of those, he said your latest whelp was to them, therefore n3 uses t3s… nobody gives about your doctrines

            July 20, 2013 at 1:38 am
        2. anonymous

          Your most recent megathron welp was to lokis

          July 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm Reply
  19. observer

    why are alliances so single minded about rushing back to defend space N3 now suffers from it. look who gives a fuck what happens with solar retaking space.there are weak CFC alliances for example FA in fade are ripe for picking off. N3 should just nomad their coalition and go hit fade this not only creates a second front but divides CFC time defending 2 fronts. if CFC is broken then solar will be broken because favours get called in with TEST to take back the space at a later date. stop being so fucking single minded this is how wars are lost.

    July 19, 2013 at 2:20 am Reply
    1. Devore

      If N3 lose their space, they will lose their income. Sure, they can go nomadic, but that will preclude them running major operations. They can do some harassment, but will not be a major factor in Fountain, losses and inability to replace them ensures it.

      July 19, 2013 at 4:42 am Reply
    2. Guest

      N3 depends on renter income, thats why they need space

      July 19, 2013 at 7:19 am Reply
    3. won'twork

      The only alliance to successfully become nomadic is PL and that’s because of their large super fleet which allowed them to grab a ton of moons in low sec and around null to sustain their income.

      It might sound good on paper, but splitting your focus to ‘open a new front’ will do nothing but cause more headache for not only the CFC but N3/Test… because they now have to focus on the defense of Fountain and their ‘invasion’…

      Basically, it simply won’t work…

      July 19, 2013 at 8:28 am Reply
      1. na

        You have forgotten about BL. They are nomadic as they come. Also elo has worked alongside Mactep, so wouldn’t be surprised to BL deployed east, if the contract is lucrative enough.

        July 19, 2013 at 9:01 am Reply
        1. ---

          Quite possibly if n3 leave fountain, almost certainly if pl go with them.

          July 19, 2013 at 10:39 am Reply
      2. anonymous

        Nc. is also nomadic in the sense that we hardly ever live in the space we own. A majority of the time we deploy to where there are fights until we get bored or something else happens in eve

        July 19, 2013 at 4:47 pm Reply
    4. Lord Maghnus

      You sound desperate

      July 19, 2013 at 8:43 am Reply
      1. observer

        not desperate hate TEST and hate goons so from someone not involved in this war and be able to be on the outside looking in. with CFC are finally getting their shit together just pointing out what others need to do to counter CFC if they are to survive. but I will give an example of an act of desperation when the bulk of the CFC cap fleet got camped in by black legion and CFC paid them off instead of coming out fighting.

        July 19, 2013 at 11:24 am Reply
    5. Ex CfC

      Agreed to kill the CfC you need to attack on multiple fronts. The last time this happened was the fall of the Northern Coalition. When PL and NCDot staged out of X70 to interrupt and attack sov in Fade and Pure Blind.

      If N3 really want to destroy the CfC they need to be able to hold Fountain attack the CfC in two other places.

      Take a few smaller alliances and get them to stage from X70 threatening EC and the supply routed there. Hitting JB’s to stop redeployments to VFK.

      They also then need to hit them either in Tribute or via Venal. Aiming for the BranchCo alliances and making them have to pull back.

      A three pronged attack causing disruption and pain across the whole of the CfC’s borders.

      This will take coordination though and something that is usually tough for them. Good coordination and joint operations. Hitting and staging attacks all at the same time leaving the CfC to have to choose what is more important to save.
      Its the old saying :: Divide and Conquer.
      Will it happen ….
      I hope so but I doubt it.

      July 20, 2013 at 11:13 am Reply
      1. ---

        You realy think supplies come through EC- still? This isn’t 2007 any more.

        July 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm Reply
        1. ---

          And the problem is that if the n3 move any credible force away from fountain they wont be able to even try and hold it.

          July 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm Reply
  20. Fartolio

    Nice read.

    July 19, 2013 at 5:01 am Reply
  21. Lord Maghnus

    Good article, definitely the most reasonable observation of things happening so far and I appreciate that. I don’t envy N3 for the position they are in.

    July 19, 2013 at 8:46 am Reply
  22. ds

    Pl should Ally with Solar and then come as Third Entity fighting for fountain. That way PL secures their renter empire in the east from Solar AND has the gud fights. And Solar would most prolly have Fountain and where-ever their rage stops then ๐Ÿ˜€

    July 19, 2013 at 10:03 am Reply
    1. LOL

      PL are no longer Revenant mate! Stop reminding ppl about them …

      July 19, 2013 at 1:23 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        Only alliance that had the balls to actually use a revenant which makes them far more relevant than you

        July 19, 2013 at 2:09 pm Reply
        1. LOL

          Balls to use it? Balls? Balls as in constantly blobbing helpless / solo caps? Or balls to use it in actual unpredictable fights? Because you know … they had ‘balls’ to blob solo caps / supers in low-sec but unfortunately for them their balls were cut off a short wile ago … ๐Ÿ˜‰ Not that PL had any balls to begin with ….

          July 19, 2013 at 3:04 pm Reply
          1. anonymous

            Balls to use it when in eve anything can happen when you put things like that on field when there is always a possibility of shit hitting the fan like it did. I guarantee you would never fly that ship in any sort of combat even if you did have the isk to buy it.

            July 19, 2013 at 4:43 pm
        2. PL Shill

          Only alliance that had the arrogance to actually use a Revenant and not expect it to die horribly.

          FTFY

          July 19, 2013 at 3:10 pm Reply
  23. -A- people

    This war should be the end of CFC… But if the other side looses… and CFC take fountain… Than do not expect that N3’s renter system are safe. A huge part of the CFC will move in to side with SOLAR. Why? The same reason N3 sides with Test ( g00d f1ghts).

    July 19, 2013 at 10:42 am Reply
    1. Fartolio

      Single conlusion to take here is that no matter who wins, Fountain is lost for Test.

      July 19, 2013 at 3:20 pm Reply
  24. Little Bee

    .
    There is no way this war is turning around….
    Test and Co had their momentum at the start of the war when their participation was all time high.
    Instead of using that bee exterminator they got stinged….HARD.
    Not once not twice but 3 mega battles CFC kicked N3 + co’s face in.
    You bring cruisers to battleship fights ?
    A knife to a gun fight ?
    Waiting for the next renter bill so you can afford battleships ?

    What happend in 9-V was a farce…..
    It should have been a brawl to remember.
    A battle of the Titans in Eve Online.
    A fight for tooth and nail and give it everything you had.
    But the mighty elites showed up in a few cruisers….
    WTF where they thinking ? that we would show up in 100 Rifters ?

    Propoganda or spinning or whatever that shit is called isnt even needed at this point.
    Mad Ani broadcasted the fight for eve to see and it was hilarious to route the Elite coalitions into the station 10 minutes later………………….

    I have a feeling that not to long from now your leaders had enough and need to gtfo out of there before they damage their own reputation so hard no1 want to join them.
    There was a time not to long ago that everyone was laughing at the CFC how bad we where.
    I dont see those same enemy’s laughing at the CFC anymore now do we ?

    I expect a few more big brawls then its over and CFC can begin the purge of Fountain and start rolling over the systems without much effort or resistance.

    If i would be in NCdot / Nulli’s shoe’s i would safe my face and let Test drown in their own shit.
    They betrayed the Goons, we helped them grow, gave them moons, gave them truck loads of isk, they where our little brother with their awesome ASCII and wicked mentality in fleets and chat and comms….test bro’s best bro’s no ? remember ?

    They recruited every enemy the Goons ever had in Eve and still we loved them.
    Untill they declared WAR against us….
    But even then we offered Booda a safe return…

    It will not take long to break Test and its shit it has turned out this way as the line members of Test are fucking awesome.
    But their leaders destroyed every bit of it and pushed a once great alliance to the edge of the cliff.
    The sad story of 2 brothers that both went their own way and 1 is about to get head shotted.

    Make no mistake CFC will burn everything and any every coalition to the ground.
    Even with massive losses we wont bounce back.
    Once The bee hive is unleashed you will get stinged.
    This is what Eve is all about, filling pockets and target your enemy’s.
    Not even the mighty BoB could take Goons down, and they where much harder to battle then what Eve has to offer today.

    I hope Fountain will provide fun battles for a long time to come, but i think it wont take that long before you see Test friends retreat to (fight of Solar)

    o/ fly dangerous

    July 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm Reply
    1. Dirty Rotten Sneaky Bastard

      We are dividing our forces ATM. That is the only reason the CFC is making gains. It won’t take long to kick Solar back down the hole they crawled out of, then we can go back to having our full attention on you. Then you can return to losing the war. There is no way you can deny that we have pulled off feats in this war that no one has ever done in Eve before. Feats that almost all considered impossible. And we have done it with a regularity. don’t underestimate the determination of N3.

      July 19, 2013 at 4:54 pm Reply
      1. JaseEVE

        Feats like losing BS fleet after BS fleet and waking up to new timers every day, and still logging in… yes that has been quite a feat. Will be a bigger feat to endure it longer.. But I am cheering you all on. I hope you can welp BS fleets for the rest of the year to us. It is quite fun :)

        July 19, 2013 at 6:15 pm Reply
        1. N3 Fanbud

          Lol. U can shit talk the whole day, but in the end u will see that not the cfc is winning. You welded 3 fleets, well done, where nice fights tbh. But only because of ur celestis. A new tactic we need to counter. That always take some time. This war isn’t over, and ur losses aren’t over too. Ur bs fleets will be blueballed again. Trust me.

          July 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm Reply
          1. ---

            ‘we lost because they fielded tech 1 cruisers’ – N3 2013

            July 20, 2013 at 1:34 pm
          2. Observer

            It’s over bro, your brain just hasnt caught up to this fact

            July 20, 2013 at 6:22 pm
          3. Fartolio

            Ofc, and you will win by killing solo Atrons at gates, in groups of 10, right?

            July 21, 2013 at 3:53 am
      2. chuck snorris

        You sir, are delusional.

        July 22, 2013 at 11:38 pm Reply
    2. Observer

      Well written, a bit emotional but true.

      July 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm Reply
  25. war anyone?

    I STOPPED READING THIS ARTICLE AT “BOTH SIDES ARE THROWING AROUND NOT WINNING FAST ENOUGH” THAT TAUNT CAME FROM THE SHITTANI’S WAR UPDATE AFTER E3 WHERE HE SAID, “WE’RE WINNING SO FAST THAT OUR LOGISTICS TEAM IS OVERWHELMED.

    YOU’RE SO STUPID YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU’RE SPINNING.

    July 20, 2013 at 8:20 pm Reply
    1. Observer

      VFK by?

      July 20, 2013 at 8:49 pm Reply
    2. Justin May

      USE CAPS LOCK MUCH? douche……

      July 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm Reply
  26. Turd

    TEST is losing Fountain at a steady rate. Every alliance that tries to pressure GoonSwarm/CFC/The Mittani, end up with some sudden big issue in their own back yard. When this is all over, Fountain will be under the CFC banner, TEST will become part of some other group, N3 will suddenly face the Russians and the CFC if they don’t watch their step, and Black Legion will still be the dark horse everyone wants on their side. There are growing numbers who are salivating over the TEST allies who have been weakend and tired from the constant state of emergency in the Fountain conflict.

    For anyone wanting to claim new territory, now is the time to strike into any of the territories allied to TEST in the Fountain conflict. They are already stretched thin, numbers are dropping off, and the CFC has made the enemies very aware of how limited their finances really are. N3 is in particular trouble. They are already being invaded. Pirates are starting to pick off the easy kills in the contested territories too. Small teams not allied to either side have been seen roaming N3 territories.
    With as much gain by the CFC the past week, the Fountain war has went into a new phase because now the CFC is in the heart of Fountain and can now be seen as an encamped force instead of their role as an invading force. We all know that an encamped force has certain advantages, advantages that TEST and its allies also had and yet couldn’t utilize to stop the slow forward march of the Goonswarm.
    Make no mistake about it, TEST has lost and now the fat lady is on her way to the stage. It will be interesting to see how TEST and friends look a year from now. Will they still be in power? Who will have fallen and how far? Only time will tell….but of one thing I am pretty certain….Fountain will have bees in it.

    July 21, 2013 at 1:57 am Reply
    1. DrkyDrky

      Goons have stated that they won’t annex N3’s territories due to logistical reasons. But I guess that won’t stop CFC from burning N3’s territories and making their renters’ life hell

      July 21, 2013 at 2:31 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        Good luck. It’s not like this hasn’t all happened before. when fountain falls if it does the CFC will be the same size as NC before they invaded the drone regions and lost everything.

        July 21, 2013 at 2:41 am Reply
        1. DrkyDrky

          Yeah, except that the ‘Northern Coalition’ that’s gonna get spanked is the one with a dot in its name.

          Also, instead of getting help from the Rus-Rus, they’ll have to fight them. If Mittens & Mactep cooperate, they can easily crush PL/N3’s super fleet.

          July 21, 2013 at 6:38 am Reply
      2. PlsNoFag

        making our renters life hell with fail gangs or what? shit did you start playing eve yesterday or what is your shittalk about?

        July 21, 2013 at 2:42 am Reply
        1. Fartolio

          Maybe burning your renter’s shit with bs gangs wich YOUR shit gangs can’t counter?

          July 21, 2013 at 3:56 am Reply
          1. anonymous

            Mittens is too scared of PL to threaten their renters

            July 21, 2013 at 4:13 am
          2. Fartolio

            And PL will do what?

            July 21, 2013 at 6:46 am
  27. DrkyDrky

    Latest battle reports:
    -TEST/N3 forces welped an Ahac fleet and 2 prophecy fleets within last 48hours. Minor losses suffered on CFC’s Baltec fleet.
    -CFC is rolling over TEST’s SBUs/TCUs in northern half of Fountain.

    July 22, 2013 at 2:54 am Reply
    1. Toby

      Not exactly accurate. Looks like isk loss on at least one of those fights was 4 to 1 in test/n3’s favor. So it might have been a whelp, but not necessarily a failure.

      July 22, 2013 at 3:27 am Reply
  28. chuck snorris

    CFC=unstoppable force—– test=movable object made of marsh mellows and and jello.

    July 22, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply

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