The core of this story is drama, which played out on eve-ru.com forum about three weeks ago. Ex-main fleet commander of Darkspawn. Alliance wrote the inside story about true relationships between Darkspawn., N3 and Red Alliance. About greed of Darkspawn alliance leadership.



Darkspawn was born as a true Gypsy pet. When Gypsy alliance disbanded, Darkspawn, The Unthinkables and Why So Serious formed a mini coalition. In this coalition, The Unthinkables did diplomacy with english alliances and Darkspawn with russians. This mini coalition joined Red Alliance in attacking SOLAR. But were later contacted by Vince Draken, leader of the N3.


When Solar started losing space Vince understood that it would be difficult to create a carebear empire in the drone regions if Red Alliance would be nearby. We all knew Vince as someone, who liked to backstab his partners (we can remember when NC. taking Raiden. claims at Geminate), so he decided to do the same with Red Alliance. But Vince understood he can not be allowed to make it look as if he did it, so he contacted  The Unthinkables and Darkspawn Alliance and made a proposition. If they can get Red Alliance to attack Darkspawn, the N3 will cover them with their supercap fleet and all Red Alliance claims will be divided between INK and Darkspawn.

Darkspawn CEO, Specter, agreed to this proposition and then released a hypnotoad, in which he insulted Red Alliance members. Red Alliance attacked Darkspawn after this mockery, causing the N3 to reset them (although they already planned to) and start dropping Red Alliance superfleets when they can. Specter had lied to the entire russian community and created a thread on eve-ru.com in which stated that they were attacked by Red Alliance. After this thread, the entire russian community supported Darkspawn and even bombers from -A- and -DD- helped them fight Red Alliance. But this all was a part of information war. By Vince’s proposal the N3 will take English resources (such as kugu) and Darkspawn may take the Russian forum and start blaming Red Alliance.


The point this thread on eve-ru.com forum is only partially about backstabbing. The other part is about DSP leadership greed. In this thread it was confirmed, that Darskpawn CEO, Specter, sell isks from alliance wallet – https://soundcloud.com/user986153763/1xlugunot2sn (this recording in russian language, but u can ask your russian friends and they will confirm it). After this thread was most good pvp pilots left Darkspawn and some of them even started awoxing N3 citizens. When The Kadeshi ask Specter to compensate for the awoxes, Specter said “f*ck them” (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64561053/compens.wav). He even transfered all timers to the US time zone (horrible tz for russians; 4 am ) to pay for lower ship compensation.


Nowadays all russians think that DSP is shit and all its members, that are left in this alliance are carebears or retards. To compensate alliance loss of pvp members, Specter started inviting carebears to the alliance. Recently, he join http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/FROZEN_HEADS – the biggest russian carebear corporation. The Gorgon Empire was on the DSP side during their war vs Red Alliance, but when they saw whole truth, they started fighting on Red Alliance’s side. Then Solar Fleet and Red Allaince made an agreement to not drop each others supercap fleet.

– lafaya


  1. Jesus Loves You

    What did I just read?

    July 15, 2013 at 9:10 am Reply
    1. blubblub

      russians beating themselves up i think, not sure though O.o

      July 15, 2013 at 9:19 am Reply
    2. what

      Probably the most unreadable piece posted on EN so far.

      July 15, 2013 at 9:57 am Reply
      1. Goblin is a child predator

        nah, try reading goblin trash

        July 15, 2013 at 2:25 pm Reply
  2. pfff

    What a peace of %$!#!…

    July 15, 2013 at 9:18 am Reply
  3. neon

    All those russian alliances need to brawl each other harder including all-in super-fights. So we can figure out who is the bestest of them russian alliances.

    July 15, 2013 at 9:24 am Reply
    1. GK

      its Bora Alis, smallest but strongest LOL

      July 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply
  4. wqe

    SF and RA made an agreement not to drop each others supers? This some kind of a fucking joke?

    July 15, 2013 at 10:08 am Reply
  5. Bombshell

    lol we (nc.) were going to reset RA anyway. there was no backstabbing or anything lol. as soon as RA got the space and SF was dealt with, we would reset RA to get kills. The reset had nothing to do with some low ass darkspawn or whatever russian alliances.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:19 am Reply
    1. Tony Abbot

      I can see this. Why would someone want to be blue with RA longer than necessary.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:35 am Reply
    2. TEST Grunt


      RA was going to be N3’s steward in the East – putting down any annoyances like SOLAR.

      When it became obvious that RA wasn’t up to it – they were reset and Darkspawn.+allies given the honor.

      As it is – Darkspawn can’t handle even RA, SOLAR is rampaging through the East and Goons are tearing your coalition apart.

      But nice damage control there.

      July 15, 2013 at 11:00 am Reply
      1. bombshell

        i bet noone in nc. can name more than 3 of our blue alliances

        July 15, 2013 at 11:23 am Reply
        1. lol

          i bet you are cfc

          July 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm Reply
      2. BobFromMarketing

        No I can confirm this. RA was infuriatingly incompetent to work with for all parties and everyone planned on resetting them at the first available chance. You can try spinning it as you wish but those are the facts.

        July 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm Reply
        1. Zhu

          This holy crap. I fought several battles against Solar that RA’s craziness either cost us outright or made our job much more difficult. They had their uses as meatshields and grunts for sov grinding, but god damn. Working with them was more infuriating then working with TEST now is, and that is saying something.

          July 15, 2013 at 4:24 pm Reply
          1. Fiberton

            Yes PL and NC have moved assets away from Fountain as of within the last 24 hours.PL is up north with makalu reinforcing poses with his titan just last night. Yes I seen that makalu even if it is many regions away :) TEST actually have some cool guys but I told them you guys would fuck them over in the many conversations some of the leadership have had with me. Thing is no one can trust N3. But Good luck.

            July 16, 2013 at 7:36 am
      3. inty fucktard

        lols what a heap of BS, anyone that ever have had their ass on nulli TS in a fleet knows that RA was to be reseted as soon as they got their systems, you shuld have checked with your spies before flapping your lips

        July 15, 2013 at 3:10 pm Reply
      4. Maru

        I can assure you that everybody – everybody – at upper leadership levels in N3 loathed RA and was basically waiting for the appropriate moment to go full Katyn Forest on their asses. There was plenty of bad blood going into the relationship, but we hoped that they could at least be useful to work with. After all, you don’t need to like somebody to collaborate on a common project with them.

        Nope, not even that.

        Every single day of coordination with them was a reminder of why people take up alcoholism. Trying to get RA to stop being shit-in-mouth kolkhoznik fuckwits was like trying to teach a gerbil about quantum mechanics. It was pure, constant, screaming agony that makes a man question what the fuck he’s doing with his life.

        July 15, 2013 at 5:51 pm Reply
      5. Devore

        “When it became obvious that RA wasn’t up to it”

        WTF? In other words, right from day 1. I think it was obvious to everyone except RA that they were going to be shat on as soon as Solar was evicted.

        July 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
        1. Fiberton

          You mean by RA many times were bringing larger fleets on its own in its main TZ than the total of the whole N3 ? Yet we are shit. :) What does that mean about N3 ? O wait.. Vince has asked other russians to please create a russian tz part of his Alliance for him. Good luck Vince. Yes NYNC he was not looking to you to do this :) Although to be honest NYNC is a very capable guy to do this. On the other hand getting some slavic people in mass who do not want to stab Vince in the face…that may serve as a problem. They are not ones to be friends with the likes of him and some of his guys who are bigots and racists. Is this the part where you threaten to sue me ? 07

          July 16, 2013 at 7:25 am Reply
          1. RA=GE pet

            i assume since riverini is in your corp you made him to put this up.
            so this is just pure propagande from RA to try and boost their moral.

            July 16, 2013 at 2:29 pm
          2. Fiberton

            Actually RA knew nothing of the post. Riverini does not play much. He actually is training skills mostly right now. He works a lot in real life. Far as making him put this up ? That is silly. River and I do not have that kind of relationship. You realize almost no one in RA knows of this post. Most do not read english. Morale boost ? I should have some coffee. The posts on here are bizarre.

            July 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    3. This is correct. N3 talked horribly about RA and often talked about wanting to reset them as soon as they could. I guess RA is just not elite enough to be blue to the great N3 coalition. BTW i know this because i was in NCdot on ops with Red and the fleet was basically nothing but trash talk RA while they do all the SOV grinding work and we sit here in slow cats.

      July 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm Reply
      1. Fiberton

        N3 was given most of their space in deals.We grinded our space. ..Without RA N3 and PL could not handle Solar. We are not in bad relations with Solar actually :) RA was growing stronger. At that time we were getting 200 to 250 RUTZ and 100 to 150 USTZ fleets. The wind is changing ..

        July 16, 2013 at 7:12 am Reply
        1. Yes. It is.

          July 16, 2013 at 7:31 am Reply
    4. Fiberton

      Grunts are not part of high level meetings. Thanks though :)

      July 16, 2013 at 7:03 am Reply
  6. Dumbledore

    Lies, all lies! Eve is a game clean of deception! I even made a video about it:


    July 15, 2013 at 10:42 am Reply
  7. bullshit

    -A- and DD didn’t help Darkspawn with bombers. It was a part of Old Hroft’s program to get some neutral bombers to Stain (he’s always short on numbers) using the DS vs RA war as a training ground. We were pretty much flying NPSI. Not our fault Darkspawn weren’t much of a target. Being in dock all the time, you know. If anything, we were working with Legion of many Xes as a third party in the conflict.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:59 am Reply
  8. Skeptical Joe

    Lmao Goon Propaganda is starting to roll off the production line a little faster. I guess the pressure of siege fleets is starting to take its toll and their looking to accelerate their campaign by feeding people BS about N3 and Russian relationships.

    July 15, 2013 at 11:07 am Reply
    1. Riverininininini

      Right, because this tripe being published here has nothing to do with riverini being in RA and everything with goons because…errr….

      July 15, 2013 at 1:36 pm Reply
  9. Musashibou Benkei

    something something something Darkspawn

    July 15, 2013 at 11:07 am Reply
  10. hun dude

    The writer forgot about the absolutely truthful and proven fact that vince was under mind control by the mittani and he darkspawn members aren’t humans in real life. They are polar bears.

    July 15, 2013 at 11:21 am Reply
  11. vahdu

    hey fun, a unbiased story without any propaganda trying to stir up shit between alliances.

    July 15, 2013 at 11:50 am Reply
  12. WH

    Mittani Meta Gaming Against N3, Goons were behind it all,.

    July 15, 2013 at 12:41 pm Reply
  13. ahomelesspeasant

    Wow, really. I think you’ll find INK and DSP were actually deployed in Geminate fighting xDeathx when RA decided to seize the opportunity and attack DSP home systems.

    INK reset RA to defend their bros and despite facing almost certain defeat at the hands of RA they went balls deep and after a few initial losses ended up kicking them in the face… repeatedly. RA were dropped by N3 once, maybe twice during the entire conflict.

    This is perhaps the most agenda driven piece of pro RA/GE/SOLAR propaganda I’ve ever had the misfortune of reading.

    July 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm Reply
    1. not quite

      It all started with a certain Darkspawn alliance meeting when DS CEO proclaimed that they are preparing for a war with RA but will not attack first so as not to be the “bad guys”. RA being RA responded with the offensive. Probably retardedly hoping that N3 will not openly suppot DS, them being the source of dissent. But there are leask that suggest everything went just as planned, and DS had a green light from N3 to provoke a war.

      July 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm Reply
      1. INK dude

        INK and DSP were both preparing for war,
        because of RA splerging out war talk and that they would attack.
        what INK and DSP did was preparing for that, they didnt provoke RA already was planning to attack them, they were told not to but they still did.
        and thats the reason why they are GE pets now

        July 16, 2013 at 2:34 pm Reply
  14. Jesus Christ

    In any way shape or form RA could, in their willdest dreams, do anything against SOLAR. And the reset of ra by n3 was overdue. I was in RA before SOLAR was kiked out and it was crystal clear RA was gona get reseted and fed to the wolves. Transforming this simple fact into mojo jojo is just fantasy.

    July 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm Reply
  15. mithrandiir min

    another great story from EN24 only thing true piece in the story is ink and dps formed a mini coalition the rest in fantasy. but good meta gaming and RA are still shit

    July 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm Reply
  16. Tard

    Why would “Ex-main fleet commander of Darkspawn” want to say something like this about hes Ex alliance?

    July 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm Reply
  17. slo

    Sounds like the mittani wrote this piece of shit.

    July 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm Reply
    1. nuke

      The mittani has far better grammer than this

      July 15, 2013 at 2:42 pm Reply
  18. haha

    I think Fox News is more accurate than this…

    July 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm Reply
  19. Jakes

    Darkspawn was not formed as a Gypsy pet, I pretty much stopped reading at that point. If the writer is just gonna make shit up, I have no interest in reading it.

    July 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm Reply
    1. awwpoorbaby

      Oh, did it hurt your feeling to hear the truth…

      July 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm Reply
    2. Ossey

      show me where he touched you

      July 15, 2013 at 2:26 pm Reply
      1. Lame reply

        Insert ten year old meme, think your witty: check

        July 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm Reply
    3. Fiberton

      Actually Darkspawn, INK and Why so were Gypsy renters at one time. I am sure I can look for the renter documents that were given to me by Gypsy leadership at that time.

      July 16, 2013 at 7:00 am Reply
      1. INK Guy

        INK was never a gypsy renter…

        July 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm Reply
      2. Fiberton isnt very good

        hmm yes, i too call a ~600man allaince that formed 80+ man tengu fleet in a flash form a renter allaince

        July 16, 2013 at 2:38 pm Reply
        1. Fiberton

          In the beginning we were clueless as to the ” renter ” idea from gypsy. It was not till later on that we were told of the renter status that shocked me. As INK above the other 3 was the stronger alliance by far. Darkspawn and Why so were not strong at all compared to INK. You may attack me over it but I will look up the documents which came from Gypsy of what systems everyone rented and for how much. When I was given this I actually questioned INK etc about it because we in RA had no idea about that Gypsy relationship with those in Wicked Creek. Let me look up these documents I am sure I still have them. Always someone wanting to shoot the messenger but its cool :)

          July 16, 2013 at 3:01 pm Reply
          1. ahomelesspeasant

            As far as I am aware INK has never paid any rent for any systems. Unless someone from Gypsy or INK says otherwise, or you can actually back up your claims, this is pretty much common knowledge fact.

            Gypsy gifted them a couple of home systems in SP but the rest was taken. I think I recall them being there grinding RAs sov for them too…

            July 17, 2013 at 11:27 am
  20. Dirk Hardpeck

    Wheres the grrr-goons at??

    July 15, 2013 at 2:40 pm Reply
  21. annnnnd

    Anyone who wasn’t aware that Riverini is currently in Red Alliance knows it now.

    July 15, 2013 at 2:42 pm Reply
  22. NUke

    Tbh, true or not doesnt matter, What really matter is this article seems to have been written by someone fresh out of grade school.

    July 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm Reply
  23. CFC Grunt

    While we are talking about Russian comrades.

    Why do they fight each other ?

    Legion of Death versus Solar ? I know 1st hand each of our coalitions are free to make our own plans within the CFC, but i never understood this.

    Specialy if you check that its in direct benefit as Legion of death is stalling Solar and directly assisting N3 / PL.

    Kinda messed up shit if you think about it :)

    July 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm Reply
    1. Dikreathz

      Well it would benefit CFC if they put aside their differences, and more in their favor benefit them but even Mittens has said how he wont even get involved in their disputes (this largely because they hold grudges and wont let go) I can respect their dedication, but it would make things interesting seeing a Russian superpower form

      July 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm Reply
      1. Fiberton

        The brothers have been speaking for months and more and more things are looking better.

        July 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm Reply
    2. Fiberton

      Legion is no longer part of CFC. So says CFC leadership. Solar crushes legion.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:55 am Reply
  24. Duh

    This is why xDeath, Solar, RA, -DD- and the Assorted Other Russians need to unite, reform DRF 2.0 and purge N3/PL, its the only way to get their ancestral lands back.

    July 15, 2013 at 4:40 pm Reply
    1. EF5

      CFC Pls Go

      July 15, 2013 at 4:53 pm Reply
      1. Duh

        Or just let 2k man alliances hold your space from across the map with a supercap blob v0v

        July 15, 2013 at 7:41 pm Reply
    2. Fiberton

      I could agree with that.

      July 16, 2013 at 6:54 am Reply
    3. Agreed

      July 16, 2013 at 7:30 am Reply
    4. RAsux

      RA already got their ”ancestral lands” back, but then INK and DSP took it away from them again

      July 16, 2013 at 2:40 pm Reply
  25. RA fail fail

    Trust me if you ever had to deal with RA leadership you’d plan on removing them as well. everyone knew RA would get removed several months ago when it was announced by gypsy would help reclaim their home. at the absolute most that 1 system would of been their only system if they ever wished to keep existing. goodbye RA

    July 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm Reply
  26. GSection

    Red Alliance feeling even more irrelevant spins together this complete piece of shit of a story. Try again.

    July 15, 2013 at 6:08 pm Reply
    1. Fiberton

      Right and there are no logs or audio ? HEHE For the record though we had nothing to do with the article. When I seen the Article I decided to type some words since I am up.

      July 16, 2013 at 7:44 am Reply
  27. BM

    This is tabloid level reporting. Seriously, don’t ever write again.

    I’m not going to even try to dissect the arguments made here. The lack of logs/discussions/proofs/links – even the ones mentioned in the article that are nowhere to be found (the EVE-RU thread).

    No awoxing killmails as proof.

    Trotting out the old chestnut of RusRus RMT… have you seen the DSP space? It’s pretty small.

    Also, what kind of article references something, but doesn’t provide a translation?! “Ask your Russian friends, they’ll confirm it” ???

    This site has really gone downhill to let something like this slide though.

    July 15, 2013 at 6:11 pm Reply
    1. Fiberton

      Actually anyone who knows even a little russian can confirm he does say he sold isk for money and laughs about it.

      July 16, 2013 at 7:42 am Reply
      1. BM

        I don’t know any Russian.

        My point is, as an ARTICLE, they should provide the transcriptions for convenience to the reader, and the reference to the original sound file for proof. Otherwise they aren’t actually adding content, but just paraphrasing/referencing something someone else wrote, and not even giving credit for that.

        My problem with the article is more with the terrible writing. The EVE-RU thread is mentioned but not linked. I don’t even know what they mean by a hynotoad.

        July 16, 2013 at 4:19 pm Reply
      2. BM

        In the translation (thanks Fibterton) this actually explains it:

        [16.03.2013 17:11:31 | Edited 17:11:39] Belognom: I think this hypnotoadtoad (the motivational alliance leader speeches are commonly referred as Hypnotoads in Russian community) will not please RED

        July 16, 2013 at 4:21 pm Reply
  28. Lol Reporting

    I might be more inclined to believe you if I didn’t know firsthand that Red Alliance has a tendency to try to take place from blues. I say “try” because they are patently useless.

    July 15, 2013 at 6:25 pm Reply
  29. nice propaganda

    i see that the ruskies have learned from their boss Mittani a good propaganda
    still TRIng vodkapet

    July 16, 2013 at 4:35 am Reply
    1. Fiberton

      Anon guy talks smack. News at 11. Just tell everyone who you are :) What Alliance are you in. What is there to be worried about ?

      July 16, 2013 at 7:39 am Reply
  30. Fiberton

    What may be helpful is I will upload a sort of translated copy of the eve ru page. Ill post it in a bit. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwn7tfkHevkUYzJzRURicmh2ZjA/edit?usp=sharing For It needs some more editing but I can not be asked.

    July 16, 2013 at 6:28 am Reply
  31. Fiberton

    I love all the N3 hate on here haha..The internet is beautiful.

    July 16, 2013 at 7:39 am Reply
  32. Garrish

    I was in N3 shortly before this whole RA debacle happened. And it’s funny, the one thing that was not mentioned was just how much of a pain in the ass RA was. No respect for any allies, did what they wanted, welped fleets then come say help us after they welp the fleet, no communication whatsoever, attacking coalition allies. And that was just from a grunts perspective, I would prolly have gone crazy if I was command

    July 16, 2013 at 7:44 am Reply
    1. Fiberton

      Grunts never have a clue what the truth is sadly. Yes we do what we want because we do not submit to any Alliance. This is a video game and no other meat sack will control us. The crazy part of the whole thing is Vince made a deal for us to kill darkspawn at the same time. It was a crazy time. To the fact whyso wanted to kill darkspawn to take their space way early on. I did not realize why until I had to deal with them. I think one great line was when a guy from Methodical Alliance said ” We are NC. pets ” Meaning his Alliance is their pet.. Video game pets.. crazy…Also just for the record..almost everything you said was shit. But no one cares if it is true or not. Drama lama ding dong.. welcome to EVE.

      July 16, 2013 at 7:53 am Reply
      1. Garrish

        Especially in this game, one must learn diplomacy and communication, as these 2 are the most important factors in war in this game, as you can see by the fountain war. You can’t just expect to pick up allies and have them help take your space for you and protect you, and give nothing in return.
        Now, I do like the kool-aid, one of the best things about eve, but there’s a difference between being served some kool-aid and “I was there.” (The attacking coalition allies, I don’t remember who it was but it’d be like FA attacking BL not FA vs FCON, if you understand what I’m saying, and the fleet welps happened not once but a few times. The take, take, take attitude was something that I picked up, too long ago to reference specific instances. So go ahead and dismiss this as bullshit if you wish, just my opinion. Also +1 for giving MA relevence)

        And as to being called a pet, either lead a coalition or get over it. I’m in a CFC “pet” alliance. If I wanted to be in goons, I’d go post on SA. My alliance has it’s strengths and weaknesses, but it’s good enough for me, and I know most the shit said about Gents is BS (Some of it isn’t though)You sound like you have a hard on for your alliance, right on, good for you. But recognize your alliances weaknesses to and try to improve them.

        Of course this whole post is made-up propaganda because I care so much about RA or N3 or DS or any of you other fuckers that think your shit don’t stink.

        July 16, 2013 at 11:19 am Reply
  33. true one

    red alliance hypnotoad

    July 16, 2013 at 8:51 am Reply
  34. whybother

    This piece of shit article is most deffinetly writen by ex Zima Corp leader. After Zime corp got kicked out of the DSP alliance, the sneaky bastard was trying to gather pvp pilots and form his own alliance. None of the information is correct.

    July 17, 2013 at 12:08 pm Reply
  35. Cazoom

    Copied lies from eve-ru. Anybody with even minimal involvement in the described events from either side knows that :)

    July 20, 2013 at 3:07 am Reply

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