I really wish media outlets, when reporting on big EVE Online ship losses, would stop converting ISK to dollars.

It makes us look goddamned retarded as a community, as though we’re actually spending thousands of real dollars (pounds, pesos, euros, whatever) on single ships. We aren’t retarded, because nobody is spending that sort of real-money on an internet spaceship, but the people reading those damned news articles don’t know that.

The dude who lost the 300 billion ISK Revenant the other day, he didn’t spend $9000 on PLEX so that he could buy that ship. That’s money he earned in-game, being clever. He may have a bought a few hundred dollars in PLEX here and there, throughout his early EVE Online career, but that was likely the extent of the real-money he injected into the game, if any at all.

I’m sure nobody thinks that mynnna spent $27000 on his 1 trillion ISK net worth. He earned it being clever on the markets, smart speculation.

If the dude who owned the Revenant had actually paid $9000, real-money cash for his faction super-carrier, I’m sure he would have lost it not long after the purchase – Pandemic Legion would have awoxed him themselves, for being a dumbass.

Whereas the headline, Man Loses $9000 Internet Spaceship, is a great headline, and likely drives a lot of curious pageviews, it just leads to the unfamiliar reader assuming that a lot of dumb people, with more money than good sense, play EVE Online.

This isn’t Second Life or Entropia Universe, where spending some outrageous amount of money is an actual investment upon which one can see a healthy return. You don’t buy a Revenant as an investment, especially if you’re actually going to fly the damned thing into combat.

Poetic Stanziel

You can read more of Poetic Stanziel’s opinions at his Poetic Discourse blog.


  1. lol

    not that this article is bad but chances are the only read this comment know that anyway.

    July 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm Reply
    1. ^^ Clearly a cunt

      Shouldn’t you being doing homework little boy? you picture makes you look like some 13 year old, did you pay for your computer from robbing old ladies handbags you little cunt.

      Please learn english then post, you little fuckwit.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm Reply
      1. Wake up and smell this

        It’s actually comments and replies like the one above that make you look “goddamned retarded” as a community. Not to mention the use of the word “retarded” as a pejorative and the rampant use of racial, homophobic, and misogynistic insults. Then you also have the abyssmal grammar and spelling of both the bloggers themselves and the morons (excluding myself, of course) who post replies to their mostly crappy and often whiny articles.
        You expect non-EVE players to take you seriously as a “community”? Rub a lamp.

        July 12, 2013 at 2:31 pm Reply
        1. ^^ served

          All i have to say is

          ^ this man is epic

          July 12, 2013 at 4:43 pm Reply
        2. Soulxlight

          Non-Eve players can fuck off. We as a community are breed like the game we play, cold and rather thick skinned as a whole. When you play Eve it is pretty much a fact that at some point you’re going to be called or will see the use of something that will offend you. You can either htfu or rage quit and cry like a bitch.

          July 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm Reply
          1. Dick

            “cold and rather thick”… that sounds about right.

            July 13, 2013 at 2:45 pm
          2. Dikreathz

            or whine as if your panty was in a knot 24/7..

            July 15, 2013 at 7:17 am
        3. LetGoYourFeelings

          It’s a fucking game, and I don’t remember asking anyone to take me seriously thanks vOv

          July 13, 2013 at 9:41 am Reply
      2. Hate's Clearly a cunt

        Clearly you have the right name, your are a Cunt for that comment

        July 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm Reply
      3. Dikreathz

        Clearly not podded enough, you could use a few classes yourself you degenerate hillbilly.

        July 15, 2013 at 7:15 am Reply
  2. Wey'oun

    On the other hand, ebay players provide entertainment in the form of KM’s to all of EVE when they attempt to jump titans through gates.

    The Asakai battle was reported on most News sites too, all quoting the totals in USD/GBP. IIRC there was a large spike in new subscriptions to EVE (not including the returning players ofc). I can see why people would like the thought that they are costing a real life person 9000 Dollars of Real Life money. (even if its not true)

    July 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm Reply
  3. GrouchyOldGamer

    CCP do the conversation for the media because it makes good PR.

    July 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm Reply
  4. Fifi

    “I really wish media outlets, when reporting on big EVE Online ship losses, would stop converting ISK to dollars.”

    How many players are doing RMT? (moongoo, botting, selling accounts etc)

    How many players deposit big sums of RL money to buy plexes?

    How many players are paying RL money for 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10+ accounts with RL money?

    Yes, EVE isn’t about RL money.

    July 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm Reply
    1. riverini

      which is exactly the point of the article…

      July 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm Reply
      1. Gospadin

        If you put 0 value on your time, then the Revenant wasn’t worth $9000. Otherwise it is. Playing the market is fine and all, but there’s still a few tens of thousands of newbies spending tens of hours per week mining Veldspar and getting paid $0.04 per hour to do it. Playing the market just moves money from bad/lazy/new players who don’t know any better, into the hands of those who better understand the mechanics.

        July 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm Reply
        1. sort of

          Gospadin is pretty much half right to the extent the evemarket place is working.

          According to the market the time it takes to earn 500 mill isk in game is worth about 15 dollars.

          That is what people are actually paying for it.
          Now its true that sometimes people play this game and end up with a huge glut of isk that they can’t convert money anways (at least if they honor their contracts with ccp). I am sort of in that situation. I have made a bunch of isk (not 400 billion but maybe 50 billion) and therefore do things in game I probably wouldn’t do if I could cashout.

          So because the isk can’t be converted back to money (without breaching you contract with ccp) the market is a bit skewed.

          July 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm Reply
  5. Copblock

    you cant expect a Norm to understand this game, no matter how carefully you try to explain. you can actually watch their eyes glaze over.

    July 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm Reply
    1. Oddsodz

      Yeh, Dam them Muggles

      July 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm Reply
      1. Dikreathz

        yes Brilliant description, like cows eyes!!! :) megathron might as well be zipansiel, cause ppl understand that just as much :)

        July 15, 2013 at 7:08 am Reply
  6. Dirk Hardpeck

    No explanation required.

    July 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm Reply
    1. lol

      cfc damage control overloaded….dont burn out

      July 12, 2013 at 3:18 pm Reply
      1. Dirk Hardpeck

        Oh c’mon, its worth atleast a few upvotes or a small chuckle!

        July 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm Reply
        1. RIP Gewns

          Largely ignored probably because TEST&Friends are still on an endorphin high after seriously DUNKING CFC’s Mega fleet ’bout an hour ago. Shame Gewns ran away, hoped they stay and welp their whole fleet.

          July 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm Reply
          1. Fartolio

            You love to have it easy isn’t it?

            July 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm
          2. Dirk Hardpeck

            So….what your saying is TEST is excited because they ‘almost’ dunked……but…………they are TEST

            July 12, 2013 at 5:15 pm
          3. Good Times

            It was an important timer, TEST did the business, op success.
            The future looks orange.

            July 12, 2013 at 9:50 pm
  7. iskbot#1337

    ship cost in ISK = amount of buyable playtime in ISK or in real money = real money

    nothing wrong with the phrase “worth approximately”

    July 12, 2013 at 3:32 pm Reply
  8. H00d

    RMT is existing in EVE, then any amount in ISK = real money

    July 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm Reply
  9. Oi

    It’s simply exchange rate. EvE is a relatively rich enivorment. How many times do people convert real world currency for the sake of an article and we immediately judge it based on our own incomes. It’s not accurate then as well due to the fact cost of living varies so vastly throughout the globe. So instead of complaining about it, be intelligent enough to understand the cost of living.

    July 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm Reply
  10. Sigh

    Yep, a media outlet saying “IT COST 290 BILLION IN GAME CURRENCY!” will definitely convey the same weight in the article…

    July 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm Reply
  11. Darth Nefarius

    I’m hoping the Onion will soon come out with an article entitled: ” Nerd flushes $9000 space turd down the toilet “

    July 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm Reply
  12. kman4

    Where teh fuck is the killmail????

    July 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm Reply
    1. Dikreathz

      Seriously catch up with the news the killmail isnt relevant as thats not the point also that was posted last week dumass.

      July 15, 2013 at 6:53 am Reply
  13. kman4

    anyone? Killmail?

    July 12, 2013 at 4:47 pm Reply
  14. Tumble

    Realistically isk is probably worth more than that because it costs people time to make isk. One person can be clever and attain masses faster but they attain it via other players or via mass accounts. That isn’t the true value of isk though, the true value lies in some combination between what you can purchase it for and the value of the person’s time invested in ratting, scamming, etc. And if the person is scamming or crafting, then think of the value of the person’s time who collected the materials or attained the isk to begin with.

    There are plenty of people here whose time is worth a lot more than $10 per hour so figure their personal time’s worth into the equation and I think that the actual value of isk is much greater than what it can be bought for. Of course, if you have no job, no life, and you don’t value your time then yea, isk carries no value to you.

    This is something many never add into their concept of the value of game money and it is why people in third world countries are used to sell gold. Their time is worth nothing compared to some nerd with a high paying job in the west.

    July 12, 2013 at 4:49 pm Reply
  15. Michael Meio

    The moment a game developer and administrator company exchanges something tangible for in-game currency, is creating a RL value gate which of course is used to calculate values. PLEX are sold both within the game in ISK and in RL for money: Mark that clear on your neurons.

    The media outlets have nothing to do with it for it was CCP who drawn the lines connecting ISK+RLCurrency.

    It is unavoidable to make the comparison.

    Why don’t you ask CCP to end the in game PLEX trade?

    Why was PLEX inside the game to start with?

    I mean, one could have just bought game time with RL currency in RL world and be done. But of course not!.. simply because any MMO’s popularity is measured in number of active players and CCP just adopted a method that effectively shows numbers.

    Go out there and take the PLEX away.. You think the game will survive?

    CCP is culprit of RMT. It’s an act of crude hypocrisy to cut any RMT account. As a matter of fact, I don’t even see a reason to do so, given that it was CCP who seeded RMT for starters.

    Whether I like RMT or not is irrelevant. The point is that there’s a way to calculate RL values of in game stuff and we will be using it at will. If someone thinks it makes anyone look stupid, CCP is to blame, not the media.

    Next time you attempt to write an article, try not to insult your readers’ intelligence by misleading arguments.

    July 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm Reply
    1. qwer

      RMT itself isn’t bad thing. The bad thing in RMT is botting. Botting destroys value of isk and value of minerals. If using bots in EVE would be impossible, RMT could be open for everybody (but I doubt that CCP would allow it). While botting is possible, the best way of keep it minimal is to have this PLEX and timecode system, because it makes illegal ways much more harder and profits lower.

      July 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm Reply
  16. Bill Cat

    It gave the game publicity and there is a coolness as well as ridiculousness factor to blowing up that money literally. Look Eve is not a a desperately poor persons game. Most games are free nowadays and it’s subscription games that are the outliers so I don’t see the problem there. It’s ok to be different and serve a different audience, in fact that’s a good idea. People blow up 9k on pretty things for their cars, gadget, cosmetic remodels etc. So why not Eve? This game makes me laugh if nothing else.

    July 12, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
  17. chuckles

    PL looses 9000 dollars. News at 11 pm

    July 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm Reply
  18. justanotherscrub

    I beg to differ poetic, I once had a CEO who would literally spend $1000 on eve for plex every week at minimum and still does to my knowledge and have met several people who buy plex regularly. Plus there are people who have bought titans using solely plex, there are people who have literally lost thousands of dollars to this game, fortunately I’m not one of them.

    July 12, 2013 at 10:08 pm Reply
  19. Cannonball1

    When you talk to non-EVE players and mention isk amounts they just look at you blankly in confusion. By doing a money conversion, they actually understand that it’s a big deal.

    July 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm Reply
    1. Dikreathz

      Yes entire rooms silenced and the question arises “whats ISK” :)

      July 15, 2013 at 6:45 am Reply
  20. Viper Rum

    Technically, the ship has precisely zero dollar value. Nothing in game has any real world value.

    July 13, 2013 at 12:09 am Reply
    1. Roger Roger

      While it’s technically not allowed, what would stop me from meeting a friend in a bar and arranging to sell him 100 plex for $1,000? I’m sure it’s happened on numerous occasions and because such a think is possible, the ship has the exact value of what plex could potentially be sold for.

      July 13, 2013 at 12:46 am Reply
  21. Newt

    “It makes us look goddamned retarded as a community,”
    That’s because, as a community, you ARE goddamn retarded. (I say “You,” because I am on extended Eve hiatus; for the moment, I need to be concentrating on spreadsheets that will actually earn me a science degree, as opposed to say “Science V”)

    Time is money, and Eve is a time sink. When someone destroys the product of that time, it’s essentially playtime, and thus money, destroyed. This is the core of CCP’s business model; convince you to invest thousands of hours of time, and then make it very likely that the product of that time i will be completely destroyed due to error or malfeasance. The “one step forward, 0.99 steps back” nature of it is what keeps people playing…and angry.

    You’re spending time on this game when you could be doing something productive like mowing my lawn for $5 an hour; that time has value. Thus, Eve has costs, technically, “opportunity costs.” PLEX formally monetized the system. It’s not “the media” that’s making Eve players look retarded, it’s CCP. As usual.

    July 13, 2013 at 12:13 am Reply
    1. scrub

      In the hour or so you spent sending us this message, you could have got off your lazy ass and mowed the grass yourself.

      July 13, 2013 at 3:11 am Reply
      1. Newt

        Do I look like a Mexican?

        Besides, you’re underestimating my Bloviations per Minute (BPM). That took 10 minutes, tops. No charge.

        July 13, 2013 at 6:57 am Reply
        1. Dikreathz

          Realy go play WoW or something if I want an explanation I’ll scam it out of you or one better I’ll give you one. and yes the newt looks mexican :) DEAL WITH IT 😛

          July 15, 2013 at 6:41 am Reply
          1. Newt

            If I don’t have time for Eve, then I surely do not have time for WoW.

            Strictly speaking, it’s actually an axlotl, which is Totally Mexican. I don’t have to sit here and tolerate suggestions that I should (horr0rz) do Manuel labor, though.

            July 15, 2013 at 9:02 am
          2. Goons R Aspies

            You’ve surely got time to post comments on here though. Go and revise or write an essay, student.

            July 16, 2013 at 12:25 pm
          3. Newt

            …Yeahwell, don’t let anyone ever fool you about how hard grad school is; it’s 20% work, and 80% wrestling with the system and waiting. I’m in the “waiting on lab results” phase.

            Cut a brother a break; looking through a ‘scope for more than about 3-4 hours a day makes my eyeballs bleed. :(

            July 23, 2013 at 12:29 am
      2. wow

        It takes an hour for YOU to write a dozen or so lines of thought??

        July 13, 2013 at 8:15 am Reply
    2. brainsmarts

      Tried to seem intelligent. Failed. If theres one group of gamers you dont need to lecture about understanding as a factor of capital and reward, its eve players.

      Also, defuq you doing reading, registering and posting on here?

      July 13, 2013 at 8:02 pm Reply
      1. Newt

        “Whatever the fuck I want, thanks.” Reading comprehension fail much? I did plenty of time in Eve & will do so again when they release an expansion I like the feel of and I’m not so busy.

        What’s your excuse for a lack of discussion content? I brought more to the table having not played for a year than you do presumably as an active player? That’s pretty pathetic, puta…. but then, where would Eve be without Internet Tough Guys?

        July 13, 2013 at 11:13 pm Reply
    3. dumb

      I love when people make the argument “well why spend such and such hours in game earning such and such amount of isk, when you can work an hour in the real world and buy a plex for that isk”

      You’re literally asking people, why don’t they stop playing a game they enjoy to go work more.
      Flat out if someone is enjoying something, it’s a productive use of THEIR free time.

      July 13, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
      1. Newt

        I’ve spent more hours gaming than most people – especially if you’re under 30, and am not making any argument beyond explaining how an ISK:$ conversion is legitimate. You may not be comfortable with the fact that the time you’re spending is, technically, “of value,” (some people’s, clearly, less so than others…) but it still is. Value judgements on how you choose to spend it are another topic that’s been covered ad nauseum.

        I didn’t “ask,” or suggest, anyone do anything, let alone “literally.” Do you see a question mark in my previous post? No, there isn’t one; I personally do not give two fucks how you spend your time. L2P.

        July 13, 2013 at 11:08 pm Reply
    4. derp

      Do you think that if I mowed your lawn and you paid me 175m ISK per hour that classes as RMT?

      July 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm Reply
  22. spaceballz

    This article is fucking garbage.

    July 15, 2013 at 10:20 am Reply

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