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This past weekend Goonswarm launched another Burn Jita event. In my last post, I categorized this type of event as one predicated on contempt. Though the event has become infamous, IMO it does not further the goals of CCP, and therefore Eve Online, except in the shallowest of terms. It gets some press; that’s about all it does for the community.

The logic of this is fairly basic as I see it. The event is for bored null-sec dwellers. Though that may count into the hundreds of individual players, it does not reach across play-styles and seek to create an event for all capsuleers. Is it nothing more than self-aggrandizing ego masturbation though?

You see, when it comes to Live Events, or any sort of event, it isn’t enough that a large group of people decide to do something. Their play-style is but one of many. Unfortunately, Goonswarm sees many of those other play styles as nothing more than a target for their play-style. High-sec carebears to them exist to facilitate their gameplay; being otherwise worthless. In the eyes of Goonswarm, anyone not of them is less than nothing. How can their events not be ego masturbation when they have such contempt for the 80% of us who aren’t in their little club?

And before you let loose your words of wrath against my question, why don’t you read precisely what The Mittani said posted in pastebin and linked on reddit,

“Burn Jita 2.0: April 19-21st 2013

There are few things that we of nullsec can agree upon, but one of them is, inevitably, fuck hisec. We will now wash away the frustrations of March’s cold war by covering ourselves in the blood and suffering of the people of hisec, the weekend before Fanfest begins – just in time to remind these people who the fuck we are. As before, we will invite every null entity which wants to participate in our holy cause.

Last year there was a tremendous amount of publicity about Burn Jita, leading to a whole host of hisec movements and wardecs to counter our efforts. This year we will not be making public statements about the Burn or actively trying to advertise it. Yes, we are giving approximately 19 days of notice with this post, as well as coordinating across the CFC and the HBC if they want to participate, but the blind sleeping masses of hisec will not realize something is coming until it is too late. I am eager to see what happens to hisec if we show up without three months of wardrum-beating and hype, unannounced, and commence putting everything to the sword.

The first Burn taught us a lot. We know Jita has a population cap; we know there are only so many routes into the system which are traffic controlled. We know as well that goons in Jita enjoyed not only taking out freighters, but spreading the carnage by using thrashers to take out industrials of random passers-by. A Burn is fundamentally a terror operation; it is not so much about the isk value of each freighter destroyed as it is implanting fear into the hearts and minds of even the most humble industrialist in his Badger II. This year we will be not only ganking freighters and industrials within Jita, but Miniluv will patrol the lanes outside of Jita to destroy anyone trapped on the gates from traffic control. The number of humans involved means that it will still be a complete mess, but we expect our terror-sowing to be much more efficient than last year.”

The emphasis is mine. The comments in bold support my point that they care nothing for large swaths of Eve Online players. Their contempt is self-evident. The statement in italics indicates to me Goonswarm is not interested in furthering Eve Online as a game. How much press led to Death Race? How much even to Hulkageddon before Goonswarm ruined it? Yes, they ruined it. I used to enjoy Hulkageddon but now it’s just more of the same Goonswarm crapola but that’s a digression. To the point, without lead-in advertising, an event is worth nothing to CCP. The point of such events is to show the outside world the awesomeness of Eve Online. Not to keep it “unannounced” and without “hype.”

But there is something else there that hints of a larger problem. It is the line, “We will now wash away the frustrations of March’s cold war.” You know what that’s about? It isn’t ego masturbation. That’s a comment as to the totally broken nature of null-sec. The are so afraid of fighting each other the entire region is a quaking pit of worry and frustration. Worry from those in charge, like The Mittani, who may lose control if they engage in open combat, and frustration from the masses of goondom who are told “no” to open combat at every turn.

I have to wonder if that’s what original Goonswarm members signed on for? Did they sign on for glorious fleet fights or to gank people who couldn’t give a shit about PvP? Let’s analogize. I joined the U.S. Army in 1982. I was a cold war warrior. Then the Berlin Wall came down. The Cold War ended. We won – or so they told us. In reality I feel like I took a punch in the gut. What I wanted to do with my life no longer existed. My enjoyment of my career declined precipitously. My raison d’être was turned on its ear.

Now, don’t take the wrong analogy from this. Many of you will jump on the point that Goonswarm is in a Cold War right now. That’s not the relevant analogy folks. The relevant one is having your reason to exist pulled right out from under your feet. Not being able to do what you aspire to makes existence meaningless. What’s the purpose of a soldier if he isn’t allowed to defend something?

From there, only bad things can happen. When you are primed all your adult life to go 200 MPH for a glorious cause and then DIAF, pulling back is not in your vocabulary. I didn’t want to and neither does the average Goon I suspect. I had to walk away from my former life – completely and utterly – to find solace. The goon-born, indoctrinated as they are to that existence, cannot. So they come to Jita and have become gankers rather than the PvP warriors they wanted to be.

In that light, Burn Jita tells me null-sec is broken. Null-sec isn’t meeting the needs of those who live there so they prey on high-sec. Can that truly replace what they really want? That’s hard to gauge but I doubt it. It’s the difference between catching a Marlin and shooting fish in a barrel. The alternative conclusion is a null-sec op like Burn Jita is meeting the desires of those who live there. In that case, if the event does serve to “remind these people who the fuck we are,” Goonswarm is not the conquerors of null-sec any longer – just a bunch of gankers slowly losing their PvP edge. If Burn Jita serves to remind us of who you are, you’re a pale shadow of what you used to be.

And you can blame The Mittani. He is the one holding you back. He says,

“A Burn is fundamentally a terror operation; it is not so much about the isk value of each freighter destroyed as it is implanting fear into the hearts and minds of even the most humble industrialist in his Badger II.”

Freighters? Industrialists? Really? Why aren’t you putting fear into the hearts and minds of PL or NCDot pilots? The answer is because The Mittani won’t let you. Go read the entire pastebin post. He claims,

“If we had rabbled more about Montolio it would have allowed him to distract his disparate anti-CFC coalition from their internal difficulties, so we clammed up.”

So rather than give Goonswarm a whole lot of GF, he opted to clam up? WTF? His update goes on to say things like “we’ve reached the natural borders of our ability to defend” and “our war options amount to ‘Wait for someone to attack us’.” Oh, I’m sure that makes for fascinating politics but is that how null-sec should be? Is that fun for you? Then he substitutes Burn Jita for real PvP and tries to convince Goonswarm it’s the same thing. I don’t think it is. Neither should you.

Fly Careful

– Mabrick

He’s been around the block a time or five. With over 15 years of MMO playing under his belt and a memory that reaches back to pencils and dice, he offers his insights into the not so virtual reality we call Eve Online.

Note: comments on this post will be heavily moderated. Those comments that do not contribute to the discussion will not see the light of day. You are warned.

326 Comments

  1. Ned Stark

    Winter is coming…

    April 24, 2013 at 3:49 am Reply
  2. CFC WHO?

    The CFC have become the largest group of carebears in the game and what they think or do in the long term will become more and more irrelevant unless they have a massive change in leadership. I pretty much ignore them now.

    On the flip side, the shit they pull does at least tend to cause some short term market fluctuations I can capitalize on and is mildly amusing.

    If you really want to piss off mittens and make the rest of the goons chear, empty high sec into their space for a week of random chaos. Now THAT would be amusing! :)

    April 24, 2013 at 6:52 am Reply
  3. FuI

    Like someone already wrote, Goons hate this article because its true. Goons suck ass, highsec ganking rofl, pretty much talks for itself. F1 pussies

    April 24, 2013 at 8:49 am Reply
    1. FormerReader

      this post balances it's eloquence with it's well reasoned point. would buy again!

      April 24, 2013 at 11:57 am Reply
  4. Take Action

    Everyone keeps writing posts saying how Goons suck.
    But if you are not willing to back up your words with action why even post?
    If you want to fight the Goons join a non Goon coalition and do something about it.
    You people act like you are surprised Goons have come to gank your ships in high sec. It's what they always do and what they are all about. Only you can change it.

    April 24, 2013 at 9:07 am Reply
  5. Rick

    Burn jita is fantastic for it doesnt involve pos bashing and timers…
    CCP hates null sec so its not unreasonable for those within null sec to hate the favoured child of hi sec.

    April 24, 2013 at 12:04 pm Reply
  6. ninja grunt

    to the author , please stop posting.. your articles are incredibly stupid .

    April 24, 2013 at 12:28 pm Reply
  7. dreamer.

    Your a winer … sorry

    From my pow

    I have attended Burn jita on both sides
    Last year from the point of a neutral who was well informed and made a fortune of isk from salvaging the wrecks.
    This year from blowing up freighters.

    Burn jita as timelimited hulkageddon was great. It rocks the boats. trims the fat and make ppl think before acting.
    (I don't like the ongoing hulkageddon but thats another thing).

    Burn jita was well announced and still many JF / Freighters lost there lives there. Why? Greed or Ignorance should be the question.

    I do many highsec things to offset my nullsec life as I hate ratting. I don't act like a target and have actualy never lost a freigher/JF/Orca or even a industry ship to a gank. ..
    and its not thay my alts is whitelisted to any entity …..

    sure i can lose a ship but i tend to prepare my self to minimize the risk and be aware of my surounding the same skills i use when i live in nullsec.

    also Burn jita is a welcome break from the form up on titan or structure bashing.
    its like spring break for nullsec … some time off and doing "other stuff" or as some put it

    stomp on someone else sandcastle.

    Sure nullsec have its flaws but burn jita have nothing to do with the flaws in nullsec / Sov.
    You should look at it from a springbreak pov.

    April 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm Reply
    1. SNARF SNARF

      i live in england….so spring is the rainy bit and a break is something that happens to your leg while slipping on a wet pavement….

      no wonder the spring break angle doesnt quite resonate…. 😉

      April 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm Reply
  8. Canada

    :psyduck:

    April 24, 2013 at 3:24 pm Reply
  9. DarrenLemric

    This reminds me of the Caldari Mega Corporations. They were forged in the fire of nationalism, and success was achieved through struggle. Fast forward to the time Tibus Heth showed up, and they were fat cats, no longer representative of the Caldari spirit, or of the people. They became the object of distrust and contempt such that a man like Tibus Heth could execute a single uprising and ignite the flames of revolution.

    TLDR: Null Sec needs a "Tibus Heth" to shoot these fat politicians in the face and light their asses on fire.

    April 24, 2013 at 4:46 pm Reply
    1. Ossenge Ph'Lanx

      . . . If the price is right . . .

      June 6, 2013 at 11:35 pm Reply
  10. Eonemos

    What some cheese with that whine?

    April 24, 2013 at 7:05 pm Reply
  11. get a life

    tldr: qq goons don't like me and people like me and i'm all butthurt by it.

    welcome to eve duder, actually nm, go back to wow

    April 24, 2013 at 10:26 pm Reply
  12. get a life

    R-to-tha-M-to-thatT
    say it with me now!

    April 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm Reply
  13. BntyHunter

    Problem is they should never be bored in NullSec.

    But since they Blue Everyone within 50 jumps, Highsec is more dangerous. And more appealing as its closer than 50 jumps and they wont fight groups like TEST or N3.

    Its CCP`s fault 00 sec is broken, andd people cmplain guys like SHadoo and Mittani are risk adverse, you would be risk adverse to if i twas your Real life income and if you lost it you would revert to RL handjobs.

    April 25, 2013 at 5:40 am Reply
    1. Meh

      Thanky finnely someone with brains , High sec is truly more dangerous. should high sec then be safer?. hell no , NULL IS BROKEN CCP.

      For me persenol i had more fun with the old pos system…

      April 25, 2013 at 10:52 am Reply
  14. droljica

    Null-sec must be so boring nowdays, that only people left there are macroers = rmt'.

    Must say, great expansion ccp.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:31 am Reply
  15. swampdonkey

    Whoa!!!

    Look at all these snivelling little goons, all buthhurt because someone said something bad about them. Fucking pathetic!

    April 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm Reply
  16. guest

    Goons Its not really even a club. Anyone with a heartbeat can find a corp that would take them. Most players view them as assholes and will never join.

    April 27, 2013 at 8:44 am Reply
  17. Boo

    A few hundred years ago a ship left Europe and landed on a distant shore.
    The colonists killed off the natives and devided up the land into blue segments(states) and called this new home the USA/Cananda/Australia/New Zealand and these lands became strong, wealthy and safe for their citizens .
    200 years later.
    A game company came up with the idea of a vast MMO in witch players could be anything they wanted to be ie pirate to empire builder and called it EVE online.
    A group of players sailed to this new world (EVE) and killed of the natives and devided this new home into blue segments/alliances and called it the CFC, and this land became strong,wealthy and safe for its members.
    Stop crying about the blue blob of the CFC, thousands of EVE online members play the game CCP intended within this CFC.
    Who the fuck are you to tell others how to play EVE online.
    Dont ask CCP to change game mechanics because you dont like the way CFC players play EVE.
    This is not WOW battlegrounds that limit numbers so be carefull what you ask for.
    If you dont like the CFC then put up or shut up ya cry babies, or go play WOW.

    April 30, 2013 at 4:02 pm Reply
  18. Derpy derp derp

    They will never kill Hi-Sec because too many players don't want to pvp ….and lets face it CCP is great but a bussiness … if half of there players dont want to fight and start getting pissed then they will listen when the money starts dropping

    To be honest I don't know why its fun to stay in hi sec as itsreally half of eve ( the better half) your missing but thats my play style not everyones….

    Then again if no one is being a safe little miner then there are no resources … no resources means no construction…. no construction means no new replacement ships and weapons (or less at least)…. no replacements means less will pvp…. wait why did we start burn jita… seeming a little counter productive

    Oh and as for the fix the economy by breaking it message…. well supply and demand goons…. you arnt removing money so inflation wont go down (well you are but you absorb a large chunk of it )… Your making sure there are less supplies and less resources as players back off and focus on themselves rather than depositing in the economy…. so if we have the same amount of money but less shit to go around then that means the price of shit will go up not down…. congrats you make the null sec fat cat corps who are the epitome of what you say you hate; even stronger… who do you think makes the guns and ships you are using even now

    May 12, 2013 at 7:08 am Reply
    1. Lord Derp

      hmm whoops thats hi-sec not null in the 2nd to last line, 2am eve playing for teh win

      May 12, 2013 at 7:10 am Reply
  19. NerdCzar

    Goons are good at pissing people off. It’s what they do.

    You can’t blame em’ for it. It’s damn funny, when you’re not on the receiving end.

    November 18, 2013 at 5:22 pm Reply

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