Montolio, leader of Test Alliance Please Ignore and the Honey Badger Coalition (HBC), and Shadoo, leader of Pandemic Legion (PL), announced a game changing idea during the Test Alliance SOTA [link].

It’s being packaged and sold as an “alternative” to sovereignty (SOV) grinds and is what could be the future of Nullsec confrontations. That is to say, staged battles or as Shadoo calls it, War Games. The Honey Badgers Coalition and Clusterfuck Coalition (CFC) have been in closed door negotiations, with PL mediating, for what can only be called organized, staged fights.  

Are the days of large organic, emergent, Nullsec battles gone?

The crux of this decision is said to be based on the flawed SOV gaming mechanics, making the idea of grinding out SOV about as appealing as slamming your thumb in a door. Repeatedly.

“We often make jokes about Sun Tzu and the pubbies who cite him, (…) people who don’t know the first thing about SOV war ,” says The Mittani, leader of the Goonswarm Federation and the CFC in his “Art of Nullsec War” article on Ten Ton Hammer.

The Mittani continues;

“You should be careful when it comes to making pleasant, politically-motivated shout-outs to your autocrat buddies, because you might look like a complete nit a few years later after said autocrat buddies utterly shit the bed and lose all their space in a stunning display combining both neglect and incompetence.”

With all the flamboyant and colorful word play, it’s probably a different story these days as the two biggest power blocs go to great lengths to avoid war at all costs. Even if it means creating an Eve Online where the “cold and harsh” Null space metamorphoses into the tame, nervous, and effeminate Caspar Milquetoast of the digital gaming era.

Staged battles are already commonplace within the HBC and opposing forces frequently meet one another in and around Delve space. Shadoo, mastermind behind the plan had this to say;

“We already organize a lot of the smaller fights we get into,” [Source]. “So, how about we stop pretending there’s not a form of “organized fights” already going on. Almost every 1000+ member fight you’ve been in has had people asking other people to come along to some far off system they don’t care about, but they should totally do so anyway for ~good fights~.” It has become a commonplace event for two fleet commanders to plan beforehand the time and location of “good fights,”

The sum of this is making Nullsec battles more predictable and less risky. The idea of defeating superior numbers because of spying, splitting the battlefield or through misdirection and other military deception tactics is a thing of the past as opposing fleets meet at predetermined locations to brawl it out. In fact, according to Shadoo, these up-and-coming organized War Games are planned to occur in an already predetermined Region of space.

When the biggest groups in the game get together and plan something on this scale, you’d think it’d be hard to conceal the true theft that is Eve Online game play. In fact, it appears it’s pretty easy.

“And while we’re doing this — lets show everyone how <expletive> this shit really is and how it’s time for CCP to acknowledge the sandbox has overflown and it’s fucking time they put in some borders,” says Shadoo.

So the propaganda plan seems to be, “Blame CCP while we conceal the fact everyone is really just fat and happy in Nullsec”. With easy access to media and in some cases, outright controlling the media outlet, it’s easy to plant articles in , or use friendly connections to get onto podcasts from Kugu and use the state of the game broadcasts by TEST Alliance to get news out to 30,000 plus players at once. In fact, it is very easy to divert attention to something seemingly as big as this.

Within these two coalitions, the idea that SOV warfare would take years to do is true in the current state of the game. However, the reason for this is not CCPs fault, but lies in the laps of the huge coalitions who’ve blued nearly all of 0.0 space. Everyone is so rich right now it’s not even a matter of ISK loss and ship replacement anymore. When speaking on replacing lost assets from a battle, Shadoo adds:

“It’s not the isk (…) lets be real. Losing 50 carriers, 100 carriers or capitols ain’t going to matter shit,” “Shit on Kugu – Ep 26” podcast [ Source ]. When speaking of replacing lost assets in a battle he added, “It’s just a logistical issue, not a financial issue.”

When all is said and done, the real reasons for the avoidance of war is the thought of losing all they’ve built.

“The reason, for this VERY <expletive> and VERY DUMB idea was the realization that EVE is now so polarized that the only war soon left to be fought would be one most of us would not come out of still playing EVE.”, Shadoo contintued in his article [Source – Shadoo Wargames piece].

When warfare is done as a coalition the size of the HBC and CFC, the size of the space needed to conquer is going to be much greater in order to divide the spoils of war evenly and keep their allies fat and happy. If the idea of coalitions was something CCP Games wanted, or could have conceived of; it is likely they would have built a system into Eve Online to support coalitions by now. It’s not likely CCP Games ever thought SOV warfare was going to evolve into the size and scope created by the likes of the HBC, CFC and PL.

Is this the future of Eve Online? Will this future survive with the likes of these three groups of players controlling the overall landscape and direction of this game? If there is one person out there that can save Eve Online and ensure its longevity, it has got to be Montolio. He has, on several occasions, made an effort to bring about the big fight. The large, some say inevitable, HBC and CFC battle. However, with things like these War Game ideas, and with PL as the wind in the sail, it’s easy to see the real leaders of Nullsec aren’t yet ready to give up their cushy, ISK filled seats of power.

Let’s hope Montolio gets his way one day and the biggest battle ever seen in Eve detonates in hate-filled raging-login paroxysm of spaceship explosions. Hopefully before Eve Online closes it’s doors forever.

Considering how much The Mittani has railed against e-honor in the past. Have Goons, TEST, HBC and the CFC become the BoB monster that they once set out to slay? Now they are honorably agreeing to not siege each other’s sovereignty or moons and just blow up ships en-masse. The weak excuse being “Sov Grind is shit”.  They know that bored players don’t log in, players that don’t log in don’t grind rats for ISK, don’t manage moons, or blow each other up. Bored players that don’t log in means that Null stagnates as a result. It could be a noble attempt to keep null alive and point out the obvious and glaring flaws with Sov conflict at the same time. Or perhaps it could simply be to manipulate markets for their own personal financial benefit.

– mr0ts


  1. gggaaayyy


    March 16, 2013 at 1:58 am Reply
  2. The_Oracle86

    Hypocritical BS is all HBC and CFC is about, the end.

    March 16, 2013 at 2:54 am Reply
  3. Jekib

    It's possible that CCP knew this would come, it's like modern day society, we have our super powers fighting over resources not sovereighnty over land..

    So they made Dust… it seems (and should be expected, knowing CCP) that Dust corps could be very powerful forces.

    The likes of PRO, Zion, SEVER. A legacy is being born right now, and guess what the greedy little fuckers are going to do?

    Take your bored players, take your resources, and take your Sov.
    I need a good closing…

    With the might of Spartans the Dust Bunnies hop.

    March 16, 2013 at 4:36 am Reply
  4. answer

    to put it simply, more uncertainty needs to be injected into the game. The players won't do it, and so we'll have to see if CCP does.

    March 16, 2013 at 5:16 am Reply
  5. BntyHunter

    Lol Pl has gained the biggest SC fleet ever thought of and it SMASHES THE WORLD WITH AWE AND WAR.

    Actually it became the space referee, and the new ccp monitoring all of us for safety and security.

    PL…Wow Seriously?

    March 16, 2013 at 7:07 am Reply
  6. lmao en24

    hey look some idiot in a six man pirate corp doesn't like what's going on outside of his little bubble

    as usual, this wretched pubbie scum refuses to do anything about it, shrugging because it's beyond his reach, yet he complains like the wretch he is

    this article reallllly shows how this site has fallen ;p

    March 16, 2013 at 9:18 am Reply
  7. Bob_the_Bitcher

    It's common opinion – "Only fight the fights you know/think you can win."

    Neither HBC nor CFC (DekCo) have enough confidence in their position to take on the other side. Until this fact remains or the mechanic driving it is changed, the situation will persist.

    March 16, 2013 at 9:56 am Reply
  8. Pew Pew Monster

    The future of EVE? Organized war games never work. Eventually, someone will draw blood that someone else doesnt like, or hell you'll have a chaotic neutral throw a wrench into things because hey, fuck it.

    This is the gayest shit in the history of EVE and I hope someone fucks up the whole concept because its simply the right thing to do.

    March 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm Reply
  9. Red Teufel

    Summer brings war. lets see who is left standing.

    March 17, 2013 at 12:38 am Reply
    1. Mike

      What are you talking about?

      Historically winter is when the big wars happen, and summer is the slow season.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:10 am Reply
  10. Not a hack writer

    I know everyone's getting shitty about this, but the facts are:
    1) Scheduling battles could never replace battles that organically occur (e.g. if newts or reds come into your space, do you chase them down or do you dock up and contact their superiors to organize a battle?)
    2) "That is to say, staged battles or as Shadoo calls it, War Games" – mr0ts has completely misquoted Shadoo. In the sota speech, Montolio was the one who referred to it as "war games", to which Shadoo immediately corrected him (clearly to no avail). Further, in one of the linked sources, the 'Shit on Kuga' podcast, Shadoo goes on an entire rant about this fact. Did the writer even listen to the audio, or form opinions on second hand info?

    Additionally, the idea was that these wouldn't be goal-less battles, and both Montolio and Shadoo commented that they would like to place wagers on the outcomes of the battles, which still gives enough incentive for people to participate when everyone grows restless from tower shooting.

    Learn to report properly.

    March 17, 2013 at 7:19 am Reply
    1. mr0ts

      It's reported as War Games in the article he provided to TheMittanidotcom and on the Kugu podcast. Shadoo wrote the original article, which was cast up on TheMittanidotcom shortly after his podcast appearance. Here is a link to a screen grab of his original post on the Test forums: www dot ephotobay dot com/ share /shadoo dot html.

      In fact, what does it matter what he calls them. The name of the event doesn't change the fact the events will be occurring. Also, staged battles with rewards doesn't make them any less staged.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:47 pm Reply
    2. Mike

      "Additionally, the idea was that these wouldn't be goal-less battles, and both Montolio and Shadoo commented that they would like to place wagers on the outcomes of the battles."

      You do realize that the avg. grunt doesn't care about a wager Mittins, and Shadoo make, right? 100 bil, 500 bil, 1 tril….. it all means nothing to the avg. grunt, which make up 98-99% of the population of these coalitions.

      The best time I have ever had in this game is when in my old alliance our capital constellation was under siege for two weeks, every night Russians were dropping dreads, and supercaps trying to reinforce or take our stations, and every night we had epic battles, and often came out with dread kills, and each pilot lost handfuls of ships but kept reshipping. These fights got my adrenaline pumping because they actually mattered, and most, if not every pilot there cared that these Russians were trying to take our space. The space wasn't really valuable, but the avg. grunt wasn't going to let it fall, and it didn't(at that time anyways). This is a true story about fights that only ever had at most 150 dudes in from a grunt in some crappy small alliance that nobody cared about, but these type of story's that make eve great.

      There will not be any story's about these staged fights as they are more of an embarrassment then anything else, and even if some clown isn't embarrassed to talk about it, people will ask him what the point was, or what the winner got from it and they'll be like "oh yeah Shaddo got a tril isk, pretty cool right?" This is literally the narrative that we are now driving in nullsec. The avg. grunt will never care enough about coalition level wagers for the fights to actually matter, and to think otherwise is somewhat foolish.

      March 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm Reply
    3. HBC Peasant

      Here at EN24, facts are irrelevant

      March 17, 2013 at 7:59 pm Reply
  11. been k.

    call me fagget. but what about doubling nullsec(keeping resources in check ofcourse)? essentially just double the donut. please call me fagget.

    March 17, 2013 at 8:53 am Reply
    1. been k.

      'there isnt enough sand in the sand box'

      March 17, 2013 at 8:55 am Reply
  12. Good times

    Sov grind is a bitch in sub caps. Been there done that. However using supers to take out the structures and gg, HBC/CFC and PL have these in spades. Problem is they don't want to risk their super fleets and risk their moons. Without super dominance that they have these entities would failscade the likes of BL of have they are shit when it comes to sub-caps. They have nothing to gain by sov war but everything to lose.
    Problem is not the sov grind (thats what supers are for) Its they have nothing to gain from it, 1 coalition will not own all of null.

    March 17, 2013 at 9:00 am Reply
  13. Tribal Band

    This situation in my opinion shows that eve is a true sandbox game. The big blue blob and the stagnation of nullsec is the result of tens of thousands of cfc and hbc players choosing to band together and play blob tactics. If they trully wanted a blob free nullsec they wouldn't be in these coalitions anyway. Even if stagnating, eve is generally a sandbox game as intended.

    March 17, 2013 at 6:57 pm Reply
  14. Hello im noob just start eve online i see this fight very crazy :)

    March 19, 2013 at 9:03 am Reply
    1. chaosnpain

      this game is fucked now… its reached stalemate where the fat cats have got finger up ass wondering what to do now!

      the southerners need to unite and threaten their existence

      March 23, 2013 at 12:08 am Reply
  15. Herman Cain

    I am a very old player. When I realized big battles with everything at stake or not having anymore the chance to get as many SC kills as before, I lost interest in the game. It is totally uninteresting for me to just kill shitloads of t1 crap ships everyday for no reason at all. That is as boring as mining. GTFO!

    March 23, 2013 at 3:32 am Reply

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