So as a wormhole scrub. I realistically know bugger all about NullSec. I was a part of -A- last year. But I left my corp when they bailed on -A-. But I do like to keep up with all the drama/propaganda. It’s fun to read about.

I think it is safe to say that most of the PvP pilots of EvE who are not in one of the two of the biggest coalitions in EvE would love to see a great war between the CFC and the HBC. And we all know why. Personally, I would be the 1st to jump in a bomber and engage in a liberal amount of killmail whoring. But why should the CFC and HBC give them/us that? What is to be gained by it?

As Shadoo said on twitter:

“Or perhaps, just like we say: CFC/HBC has reached an equilibrium of owned space/assets.”

For the leadership of CFC and HBC, there really is no need for them to do it. There is no fun in it for them. And this is a game. It should be fun. So they have been telling their members that SOV grinding is boring (and it is, make no mistake) and they don’t want to do it anymore. But here is the thing. They got to where they are today because they did the work and ground out all those SBU’s. The CFC and HBC leadership has matured and reached an end game. If EvE truly has an “end game”. They have no more goals right now. It’s hard to go to war with your friends. And these guys are friends. They party together at Fanfest. They sit in jabber channels and bullshit with each other. They arrange fights with each other for fun. It must be hard finding a good reason to invade your friends when they buy you drinks at Fanfest.

So as the title asks. Is SOV broke? Just because the two largest nullsec entities say “Sov grind is shit” to their members does not make it true. I would like to put it to the players of EvE that SOV is not broke. Players are broken. The current crop of high level leaders in nullsec are bored of the current game that they play in nullsec. They want change. But really, should CCP give them that change? I would like to own some space in nullsec at some point in time. And I am going to take it with out renting or asking for help from the big guys. How and when I do it, I don’t know yet. It is a long term game plan for the future.

That means I am going to have to do the grind. But if CCP chooses to radically change Sov mechanics, all the effort that was put in by Sovereignty holding alliances and coalitions would mean nothing. All that empire building that The Mittani did could go to ruin (that might be a good or bad thing thing when it comes to Goonswarm depending on your personal views.). Granted, it would make the achievement of taking and owning SOV cheap. “Cheap” as in easy mode. Not everybody should be able to do it. It means my ideas for becoming the next “Overload of 0.0” is snuffed out before I start. NullSec is meant to be hard mode (to me anyway). And the grind is part of that.

Right now, I don’t forsee a “Great War” for the CFC and HBC until Solar has been neutralized as an entity. I said that to my friends six months ago. And even then, I don’t think you will see a “Great War” happen. It’s going to take more than a “Falcon” to ruffle the feathers of the friends of the HBC and CFC.

So the TL:DR is that the Sov “grind” is not broken. Some players are now lazy and want a new game. If you want a Great War, form your own Super Coalition and make the war you want.

– Oddsodz


  1. Smiling Joe

    I've always loved the idea of new systems, and how to make them anti-coalition. Self contained systems, or self contained constellations that can only be accessed via wormhole. And outside of any current jump range capabilities. Gives the small guys a chance to build a home without the looming doom of supercaps from people with nothing better to do.

    A stretch for this idea would be the self contained and controlled stargates. Potentially created and ran by players, allowing for the eventual creation of networks, or not if the holders so choose. With the links being destroyable. Crazy ideas, but typically the best ideas start from wild dreams.

    March 12, 2013 at 8:05 pm Reply
    1. wutwut

      I would love to see some mystery introduced into the EVE universe. Imagine huge regions that extend nullsec without gates and all off-grid celestials. Put a few super remote outposts in those regions, where it might take several hours of warp to get to. And they're only accessible via bookmarks that people who've found them have made. CCP could put stuff into this vast wasteland like ruins or valuable resources that people that enjoy exploring would eventually find.

      When I first started playing EVE it felt like a huge universe with lots of diversity — that feeling ended a long time ago. And wormholes were a good start to break up some of the sameness of the EVE universe, but I would love to see a real pioneer-like section of space like the wild west way beyond known space.

      March 12, 2013 at 9:01 pm Reply
  2. sov's shit and over rated, low sec is were you get true gf's these days … let the flames begin

    March 12, 2013 at 8:28 pm Reply
    1. MrDerp

      or WH space…but fights there are few and far between

      March 12, 2013 at 9:20 pm Reply
    2. ex-nul sec.

      so true. you can get 20 gf's in an hour cruising through fw. fuck nul sec till they fix sov. If you own it, you should have to live in it and use it.

      March 12, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
  3. Not a Pet

    Nice troll dude. I'm in "Fazor" and I know damn well we didnt do shit. Please stop posting before you make us look more retarded than we actually are. NO ONE who followed this confluct would ever believe we were even a nuisance in that war.

    March 12, 2013 at 8:29 pm Reply
  4. NullSecNoob

    FINALLY! Someone speaks the truth about the game. Yes 0.0 should be hard to live in, hard to conquer, hard to keep. Those coalition that are now sitting at the top of the help did not get there in three months and not even in three years. If you want 0.0 space WORK FOR IT.

    March 12, 2013 at 8:34 pm Reply
    1. poastin toaster

      TEST was given all of their space. They didnt work for it.

      March 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm Reply
    2. Shampoo

      SMA was given their space space, FA was given thier, , RAZOR was give their space, rogue was given their space, raiden was given their space, init. was given their space, Li3 was given their space, the list goes on, I just get think of anymore off the top of my head, and you get the point.

      March 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm Reply
  5. Finzi

    All the retardednes aside, it's a valid point that the RMT'ing top 20 leadership has no interest in war. War will not come this year.

    March 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm Reply
  6. Dave from PL

    While your all talking we are raking in the passive isk, who needs SOV? Keep saying you can't do it and stay in that mind-set. Should someone think they can do it they better get on the diplo bat phone to us or you're not going anywhere fast.

    Same as it ever was

    March 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm Reply
  7. pamparmapammmmm

    Simple solution
    You need to keep certian military/industrial rating to hold SOV.
    Your members don't kill rats everyday in every system? You lose SOV.
    Your members don't mine/manufacture every day in every system? You lose SOV.

    OK 😛 not one day but…
    You shouldn't be able to hold somthing you don't regularly using.

    and BANHAMMER every ratting or minig bot 😛

    March 12, 2013 at 9:04 pm Reply
    1. Sound of reason

      If you must rat/mine to hold sov, how to you deal with afk cloakers. They are the biggest pver's issue in null sec. Now all it takes is an afk char in system and that system is dead as that one char can drop dozens if not hundreds on your head at any time.

      March 12, 2013 at 9:29 pm Reply
      1. Bad Reasoning

        Form a fleet and counter them, obviously. If your alliance is so big and 1337 then whats the problem? Oh that's right, you're all F1 monkey bads who can't do shit unless a specific FC logs on and you shit your pants. Bads bein bads.

        March 13, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
        1. RA dude

          Riiight. So, if a bunch of citizen (or academy) carebears gets dropped by pvp-ers, the carebears will right away form a fleet and rape hotdroppers, because carebears can fc and pvp and have pvp ships ready in their hangars. Guess what: they usually can't and haven't. And by the time the attacked alliance forms a def fleet and gets to the system the ones that were dropped are often already dead and hotdroppers gone.

          March 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm Reply
  8. Upstart

    Meh. If CCP thinks another name for Eve aught to be "Monopoly in Space" then I suppose it's not broken. But if you're right and the two super alliances have reached an end game, then Eve is broken. Having two fat, lazy "winners" sitting at the top of the food chain, a good game does not make. An unbalanced game is what it makes.

    Give them a prize, make a couple of monuments to their greatness, supply them with a constellation named after them, congratulate them, pat them on the back and move along. Stir it up, create dynamism. How you can feel that stagnation is desirable is beyond me. Games are supposed to be fun. Not owned by dictatorships.

    At the very least, spawn a few thousand additional systems with different game mechanics that prohibit an end game. Then CFC and HBC can keep their precious empires and everyone else can engage in something that's fun for THEM.

    March 12, 2013 at 9:18 pm Reply
  9. Upstart

    Meh. If CCP thinks another name for Eve ought to be "Monopoly in Space" then I suppose it's not broken. But if you're right and the two super alliances have reached an end game, then EvE is broken. Having two fat, lazy "winners" sitting at the top of the food chain, a good game does not make. An unbalanced game is what it makes.

    A game with "winners" is a game that is over. How you can consider stagnation desirable is beyond me. In other words, this incarnation of EvE should be at its end, as its winners have emerged. Give them each a monument to their greatness, name a constellation in their honor, congratulate them, pat them on the back and move the game along. Create dynamism.

    At the very least create a few thousand other systems (besides wormholes) with game mechanics that are balanced to prohibit an end game, but encourage fighting for resources. Resources that flow and ebb to keep the game churning. Then CFC and HBC can keep their precious empires while everyone else plays something enjoyable.

    March 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm Reply
  10. pew pew

    what i want is chaos the south right now is a prime example of how eve should be in my mind many alliances join forces to kill others then turning on each other and going at it all over again an alliance cap of 1000 could see this happen but it is still very easy to hold space if all the leaders do not want to expand and forum coalitions

    March 13, 2013 at 12:29 am Reply
    1. observer

      whot a lot of bull. All the whining about sov and unfair aliance side. Ofc a small aliance can't do shit in eve its just like the real world. For example Netherland is a small country in Europe they are not mutch on military standimgs on there own but part of the europe. They do there part. And the europe force is allot bigger then just 1 country.
      Same as aliance in space. Test and goons are like military strenght of the usa on there own. But allot of smaler aliance that are forming and working together kan be much stronger t happy en test or goons.

      Small corperations that don't have a chance in 0.0 have to form up there own aliancec / coalition. And you will have the power to take sov.

      But to do that you need a strong leader. With the carisma to get people together. And there are just a few of them in the world. So the problem is not the big mean coalition. Its yourself that fails to be better.

      March 13, 2013 at 8:45 am Reply
      1. what

        Thtere's a fuckton of small (by null standarts) alliances living in lowsec/WH, and they very much can do shit in their respective fields of interest. And you've seen with Exhale what happens when they become too big.

        Oh. And once upon a time in Eureope Netherlands was a major power. Despite it's size.

        March 13, 2013 at 9:27 am Reply
  11. alx Warlord

    Sov, IS broke, small alliances cant get into the game without being crushed by bigger alliances… If there is an equilibrium now, and no flow. this means thisgs are cooled down and broken…

    March 13, 2013 at 1:54 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      You mean small nations can't go to war and conquer big nations? Imagine that.

      March 13, 2013 at 3:00 am Reply
      1. not a goon

        You mean real life versus a game?

        March 13, 2013 at 6:02 am Reply
  12. XaindeSleena

    Confirming I am broke please send isk.

    March 13, 2013 at 10:15 am Reply
  13. Squinty McBlindy

    Just ban the entire big blue donut for RMT, remove all Sov and get the game back on track

    March 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm Reply
  14. dani

    Just as the author sad:
    They have reached an end game.
    They are starting to look to other games….

    Well good for them 😀

    March 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm Reply
  15. BlueBlockFaggots

    Who cares? same olde shit. Sov is not broken, what needs to be broken is blueing the fuck out everything and anything.

    What can CCP do nothing, unless you want to join CFC or HBC, for Sov (with Tech/Neo generating yummy isk) then your a poor arse Alliance, and thus get used too it.

    Solar god bless, tried their best, N3 couldn't swat a fly and had to brown noise PL, who in turn had NOONE else to fight.

    March 13, 2013 at 10:30 pm Reply
    1. FrodotheBOBit

      Not having so many damn timers, which allows you about a week to get everyone you know, regardless of location into a given system before it falls would be a start though.

      March 14, 2013 at 1:28 pm Reply
  16. Hedbergite

    why must you type it out as "EvE" ?? highly disrespectful as a journalist. i stopped reading…

    March 14, 2013 at 6:19 pm Reply
  17. BlackIron_S

    There have been so many changes of space, new faces, dead alliances, mergers and aquisitions over the past year I don't see how everyone keeps saying Sov is broken. Just because there are a few coalitions at this moment all the chicken littles keep saying the sky is falling. This is Eve be patient and you never know what part of the unfolding story you might get your part in next! Just because Shittani and Shadoo don't like sov doesn't mean it's broken just that they don't want to fight.

    March 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm Reply
  18. pregnant wombat

    It's peace days guys… get over it. Its the time for peace. Eventually either the game will die or someone will get bored and make the game fun, or CCP will do something to liven up the game again. I have no idea what it is that will take place… But something will take place. That is a fact.

    I've seen people say its sov mechanics… tech moons… player populations.. number of systems… fleet logistics… etc. They may be wrong, or all right, or just need tweaking. People need to stop complaining, and coming up with ideas. That's all I'm saying. I'm guessing lots of people have certain reasons that actually are true.

    March 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm Reply
  19. anon

    to fix null, take reduce the reinforce timers for null only to last only 2 hours or so. this would force corps to stay closer to home and hold such a large vast area and if they are deployed, they still have the jump clones to get back and if their cap ships are to far away to get back in the short time, to bad.

    March 19, 2013 at 2:21 pm Reply
  20. anon

    to fix null, take reduce the reinforce timers for null only to last only 2 hours or so. this would force corps to stay closer to home and stop Coallitions to hold such a large vast area and if they are deployed, they still have the jump clones to get back and if their cap ships are to far away to get back in the short time, to bad.

    March 19, 2013 at 2:23 pm Reply
  21. Woodcock

    You know there are a lot of different ways to fix this sort of thing. No one in Eve would want to do it though, not a chance. I'm playing a game I'm really having a good time with of late. Yes it's PSII. I really have a lot of fun there, it's full time PVP all PVP all the time.

    This game is built around players having fun! It's all about the combat. Non stop. I love it. I don't have to sit and wait foe hours on end waiting for a fight, it's not boring.

    Also everything you earn, can never be taken away bay another player in any way, kinda puts a damper of greifing in general. It's no fun to grief if you can't hurt the other player in some way.

    Eve has so very many problems, I couldn't begin to sort it out. It would take a lot of major changes. BUt I have no intention of ever playing it again, so you guys figure it out. LOL

    March 20, 2013 at 4:03 pm Reply

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