The recent war in the east between N3 (NCDOT + Nulli Secunda + Nexus + RED Alliance) versus the SOLAR FLEET bloc has been one of exciting and memorable battles. For the past few months, the N3 fleets have steadily taken territory from SOLAR FLEET and its allies. The Fatal Ascension + RAZOR Alliance joint deployment which was deemed to help SOLAR FLEET to regain the upper hand has been reduced effectively by dumb FC decisions, inexperience pilots and low intensity (but highly viral) propaganda, all this has deflated their presence to the extreme of bring ridiculed. “Set Fazors to Ineffective!” Proclaimed Elise Randolph of Pandemic Legion. Was their deployment to the east an intentional exclusion from the “goodfites” in Delve promised by CFC leadership in order to calm down some nerves on both sides while a proper CFC friendly replacement is found for the role of leading TEST? A possibility. In any case, the N3 advance was halted, if only briefly in part by a spectacular SOLAR FLEET bombing run, the kind any self-respecting bomber pilots would dream about and the kind SOLAR FLEET’s bombers wing is famous for. SOLAR FLEET’s ferocity was matched by N3’s ability to adapt and come back destroying SOLAR’s armada in the same system. What followed afterward is what the interest of this article will be composed of.

Pincer Movement.

On the 24th of February, Vince Draken, NCdot leader, held a meeting outlining their next plan of attack, specifically to hit Cache, Malpais and Kavlevala Expanse:

It’s Simple, We Kill The North.

The plan would have Pandemic Legion hitting Geminate while the Scrap Iron Flotilla would hit Etherium Reach. NCDOT would focus on Kalevala. The intent of this flanking manuver would be to cut SOLAR FLEET bloc off from their vital High-Sec entry systems. (It should be of note that as I write this, Black Core Alliance is in the process of failcascading.)

Now let us consider some of the strategic and tactical implications. Some of the things we consider will be assumptions, while others will perhaps be done intentionally by NCDOT.

The first implication would be that SOLAR being cut off from High-Sec would mean that they are cornered. Strategically speaking, you never want to corner your enemy. Giving them a chance to run provides the advantage of creating a route. Ideally in a siege you cover all sides but one. You allow the enemy to retreat through there and continue negotiations or wait until they retreat to strike causing a full route. Although this can be applied to history easily, EVE Online is internet pixels so some things get lost in translation. A demoralized SOLAR FLEET could cause a large migration of Russian corps to Red Alliance. It should be obvious to N3 and I am sure they are aware of this, they run into the danger of replacing SOLAR FLEET with RA and changing very little at all in the geography of the universe.

Splittin’ up

Secondly, with the N3 and its allies forces are somehow splitting up (with NCDOT in the north while the rest still in the south), this may give SOLAR FLEET the local numerical superiority to push one of the fronts. Any one of the alliances fighting SOLAR would be hard pressed to do so without support. The question here is who is willing to be more aggressive. If SOLAR hangs back, the N3 + allies force can close the noose and form up together once more. March divided, fight united etc. If anyone is too slow, they can be overwhelmed and forced out of the war before we see its conclusion. We must also keep in mind that the same “RMT Russian bad guy image” that is wheeled out any time anyone goes east to fight, conversely, is one of the factors that keeps entities like Solar, RA, Legion of too many Xs together. Never underestimate the strength of national identity, something which most of the international alliances/corps of eve lack.

Hard Lands

Thirdly with NCDOT’S flank around the north, they run in danger of getting themselves in another two front war as they (along with Black Legion and Nulli) had ended up doing while defending Tribute against the combined forces of CFC and SOLAR. The battered but steady approach of CFC forces in Tribute while Solar harrassed the other front coupled with internet baby mama drama and because of falcon but an end to their defense of the region. At first I thought that a similar situation would develop with CFC being the “back door man” in this situation. Upon closer inspection I realized that Pandemic Legion’s invasion corridor in Geminate made them a slice of “aww fuck naww” that would probably ward off any major CFC involvement in the war. Li3 Federation, recent TEST to Goon, rags to bitches converts having lost the miniscule pvp force that they might of had in Querious are more or less a non factor. Brick/Legion of too many xXxs remain wild cards. The only exception would be if CFC supported Solar via Cobalt Edge, but with the majority of the CFC having “goodfites” in Delve while FAZOR has mixed results defending Solar, it is to be seen if they would be willing to go into full conflict with the combined force of N3 + Pandemic Legion for Solar’s sake. Will Mittens actually help his ally MECTEP after SOLAR FLEET’s help in Tribute against their common foe?

– Seraph IX Basarab


  1. Ex imp

    A cornered enemy can be just as deadly as a uncornered enemy… Best of luck to solar

    March 4, 2013 at 8:06 pm Reply
    1. Grey Fox

      A cornered fox is as dangerous as a jackal!

      March 4, 2013 at 10:11 pm Reply
    2. Maru


      March 5, 2013 at 5:43 am Reply
  2. Ziggas

    While yes solar helped CFC against Dotbros that were against the two biggest blobs in eve & still dotbros routed or got equal efficientcy against mass odds. Lets look back at history for a moment.
    Only thing you can rely on Goons to do is back stab you eventually, even if you accept there ultimatum for a while.
    Mactep is already paying for his support to cfc, and I'm pretty sure he will find no return what so ever.
    Further more HBC PL N3 want cfc to move and attack first giving the catalyst for all those groups to rip CFC a new asshole and finally get rid of the unworthy rmt/botters.
    Mittens is scared shitless a out this happening, as far as he will do, he will leave it to last moment compiling rmt/botting into his RL wallet, and try through propaganda when the shitstorm starts to defect some alliances within HBC and try to buy PLs silence.
    Why would PL need to have there silence bough withthe combined will of HBC And N3 raping cfc.
    All good things must come to an end, CFCs time is long past and the sands in the timer pour forthright closer!

    March 4, 2013 at 8:19 pm Reply
    1. fazor fag

      you are to stupid to breath.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:38 pm Reply
    2. CFC Grunt

      So you actually want EVE 0.0 to turn into 1 big coalition controlled by HBC/N3? Glorious will be the day that EVE has won and turned into a second Chinese server.

      And HBC together with every major 0.0 powerblock is well known for RMT, not only Goons like you are constantly repeating.
      Nobody is scared of attacking the other side. The only truth is that nobody is wanting to do a who knows how many months sov grind which might end up with causing zero space change at all. Sure systems will flip, tech/neo (neo being the Southern tech should not be counted out anymore) moons will be destroyed and replaced only to be destroyed again. But after timer number 200 people get bored and stop logging in. Fleet sizes will drop and eventually any movement will be halted completely (the same can be seen in the South/East already).

      So goodluck with your CFC fight, no doubt it will happen eventually but if that will be thing that EVE is needing… I highly have my doubts about it.

      March 4, 2013 at 9:33 pm Reply
      1. Spandex

        Thing with HBC is monty wants fights to make history but to only keep what is benifit isk, not necessarily own whole of 0.0 N3 wants just enough again to expand, but what is paramount is fights and again making stories and history for eve.
        Now we get to CFC all they are concerned about is RMT/botting and blueing eve so these operations can continue. Cfc have never and will never be known for any great wars washed by them being won. History will be made upon there downfall though.
        N3/HBC while aligned would work for CFCs downfall, when cfc has gone they will fight each other sooner or later, and that's how it should be, playing the game for fun and content as paramount over RMT/ botting for RL wallets wich cfc would be content to do within stupid NIP/NAPs, cfc have no idea when it comes to GFs or making history for great wars being waged etc, I.e. cfc is the worse thing eve has going for it. This is a certain difference between CFC and HBC/N3.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:22 pm Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          LOL and Mittens wants fights to….Oh wait he doesnt, he wants to bribe PL in Tec so there wont be fights.

          Monty wanted a fight and CFC pussied out.

          March 5, 2013 at 12:10 am Reply
          1. FailCascade

            Actually, PL pussied out. HBC+PL vs CFC would be an interesting fight, HBC vs CFC solo would be a massacre.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:01 am
          2. cBOLTSON

            So why doesnt monty just make a fight happen anyway. Half or more of the fucking entire game hates goons yet I see nothing?
            Im no one special, but I yearn for the days of a proper all out war between the two halfs of the galaxy.

            March 5, 2013 at 7:02 am
          3. Lionel_Joeseph

            OTEC = putting your dogs on leashes.

            Masterfully done though gotta give em credit.

            March 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Dude that was pure genius.

            I will never say Mittens isnt a smart bastard. He is amazing at controlling the mass of idiots.

            I will never underestimate him…ever.

            March 6, 2013 at 4:16 am
          5. Thodoros

            Dude it was Shampoo who treaten Mintrolio.
            Stop this crap.

            March 6, 2013 at 5:56 pm
        2. grunt

          dam your dum Monty wants to conquer the hole eve he has admitted that before in the past a couple of time.

          March 5, 2013 at 8:12 am Reply
          1. Born

            Monty may want it. It should be apparent to him by now that even if Monty blues up th whole of eve to win EVE it would last days if not weeks before it began to fall apart. Anyone can dream about winning at eve, a realistic move would be to make eve a better place, ie HBC/N3 stomping cfc. Content and fun is why 95% of us play the game. Let the CFCs time be at an end for rmt/botting there way to pay there council tax and gas bills.

            March 5, 2013 at 9:02 am
      2. cfc hates hbc

        pl dont wanna sov grind………….. oh wait whats drone regions then?

        March 5, 2013 at 1:16 am Reply
  3. Endie

    If you are going to use the Goonfleet Intelligence Agency recording of the NCdot meeting then that's fine. But swallow your pride and attribute it.

    March 4, 2013 at 8:33 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Which is why it's in the article…

      March 4, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
    2. BntyHunter

      Because this was such a super secret meeting…Lol

      When you have an enemy cornered, you want him to know you are going to hit everywhere.

      March 5, 2013 at 12:06 am Reply
  4. Dave from PL

    You danced with Supers? Interesting …

    SC kills in the war N3/HBC/PL vs Solar 2013:

    JAN/2013 N3 killed a Solar Aeon in 995

    Feb/2013 N3/PL killed a solar citizen ratting nyx
    and a FA titan while travelling.

    This is the result of the whole ohso big war vs Solar. 3 kills. So clearly you mean, you danced in anomalies mainly and used teh Supers as big ship hangars, shot some structures, which can not warp away.

    March 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm Reply
    1. lol

      doubt your in pl…but anyways solar refuses to fight they spent to much time with aaa so they blue ball strat

      March 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm Reply
      1. Dave from PL

        oh that is surprising, hm? Nobody could have seen this coming…

        March 4, 2013 at 9:09 pm Reply
      2. oh dog

        Boohoho. We have 3 times their supers and 4 times their subcabs and they refuse to fight. Boohoho them cowards refusing to get blapped.

        An then they ask me why I hate people.

        March 5, 2013 at 3:14 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          OMG they didnt have that little of numbers at start.

          They lost all those numbers because they refused to fight and thought we would go away. Then there guys realized it was over and started packing up.

          I understand now more than before why they blue ball us. But you have to understand they have done this 3 months now.

          March 5, 2013 at 3:26 am Reply
          1. oh yes

            Save your delusions of grandeur to your blue donut circlejerk mates.

            If you would put Shadoo's cock out of your mouth and your head out of your ass and started looking at killboards instead of imagining ponies shitting butterflies you'd probably notice that SOLAR numbers stayed the same through the whole campaign

            But I'll give you some slack and take a guess it's not really noticeable from a 1000-man blob.

            March 5, 2013 at 5:11 am
          2. Born

            Solars numbers had dropped significantly mid way through war. They have picked up recently to numbers they used to dish out.
            It's not solars numbers that are in question. It's there pets.
            Pets have been disbanding after N3 and PL/RA have been playing the devide and conquer game of breaking pet morale and hope leaving solar in a very dark place. Have a think for a few moments and you will come to same conclusion.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:35 am
          3. right

            Ah. You mean all those Flame Bridge supers, IMP-L sentry carriers and IRC rokh fleets, right? OH WAIT.

            No. I understand why SOLAR blueballs, and it has more to do with being able to fight another day, stacking everything they can get in their favour and taking as much as they can down with them.

            They know they don't stand a chance. Everybody knows they don't stand a chance. But unlike N3 they chose to die trying instead of becoming what they hate because they "had no choice", "eve has changed" and "it's the only way". There's always a way. Even if it's a window on a 50s floor. Well, maybe MACTEP doesn't have a real choice anymore, but common grunts most certainly do. And you can see their choice on the killboard. They didn't go all WWII France on invaders. Like certain… cough… Nulli… alliances.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:52 am
          4. I heard that sucking cock while your head is up the arse is pretty damn hard-.-

            March 5, 2013 at 10:07 am
          5. BntyHunter

            Lol you post 8 fights with numbers of 150ish and you say there numbers stayed the same…Lol pardon me thats not impressive.

            Those are large roaming numbers that N3 has 3x a day. SOLAR used to bring 300 man fights Bi-Daily.

            Also a lot you posted showed N3 kicking your ass.

            March 6, 2013 at 12:38 am
          6. Highsec Perspective

            Under Elo, SOLARCO actually did quite well against N3, I think what really ended up killing their "numbers" was the lack of other experienced/effective FCs from the english alliances and PLs involvement in the war. Basically, they lacked the capability to compete with N3 FCs, they became demoralized, and then lacked the motivation/desire to fight after that. So, "blueballing" seems to have been more an effect, rather than a cause of the numbers decline.

            This war would have been really interesting if Elo had continued to FC until now.

            March 8, 2013 at 5:45 am
    2. Dave from PL

      lets face it they could not be arsed to log on the supers after they heard we had deployed.

      Its a crime 2 trillion in the alliance coffers gained from "donations" by friendly alliances and red [email protected] will not undock.

      Its pathetic and almost goonesk in its behaviour

      March 4, 2013 at 9:20 pm Reply
      1. Guy

        Crime or not nobody is going to deploy supers properly while PL is around, which is actually a completely reasonable decision. You can complain about it but that's the way things are and part of the reason why PL is so effective – they completely shut down whichever area they deploy to.

        March 4, 2013 at 9:40 pm Reply
        1. lol

          Sadly n3 super fleet is just as big as pl's since they have nc. so the argument about pl's fleet is just something they do to try and save face

          March 4, 2013 at 10:27 pm Reply
      2. BntyHunter

        Goonesk…Dude you are from FA remember?

        March 5, 2013 at 3:25 am Reply
        1. Guess im not the only one that knows that its really Dave from FA XD

          March 5, 2013 at 10:11 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            I love Dave he is my favorite troll from CFC

            March 6, 2013 at 12:39 am
    3. Spandex

      N3 actually killed a other 3-4 Nyxs near the start of the war when they still had balls to dip supers. Much escapes you dave from FA as your certainly not in PL. if so let me know who you are and first thing ill do is boot you from alliance.

      March 4, 2013 at 9:23 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        7 in 1v

        March 5, 2013 at 2:57 am Reply
    4. Gilles Navarien

      The Solar Pets killed 7 Nyx's and 1 Aeon belonging to RA during Nov/December

      March 4, 2013 at 11:33 pm Reply
      1. Jewberry

        RA are not what they used to be, but they are getting better slowly and the love to use supercaps even if they welp them, got to love them for that. They create opportunities for fights wich is good, wheather it be saving there supers or for counter dropping a fleet of there's wich where hotdropped or need a hand. One part of me knows that majority of the botters/rmt guys will go from solar to RA, so what's the point you might ask.
        1 to create fights and content in eve. 2. To try and get cfc to start a war vs N3/HBC
        3. Revenge for Macteps god aweful decisions over last few months and helping CFC.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:55 pm Reply
        1. BlueBlockFaggots

          So fucking what, Solar had a rag tag mob of alliances, fighting ex-Bobbits, ex-Tri and bitter PL with remenants of -A- (who due to losing ((% of engagments, feel epic they can be on the winning side for once) vets.

          With all the supers to boot and high level of SP. PL will do what next? ummh chill out for 6 months and assess their IT systems.

          CFC is the only sov holding identity left, so please elaborate wtf you N3 fucks going to do till PL and HBC make up their mind FUCK ALL, super pets.

          March 5, 2013 at 1:04 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Lol CFC is only real hero left.

            Funny how you guys have to bribe PL to have "Wargames" rather than fight.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:11 am
          2. Goonie

            Beats you clowns suck PL/HBC cock.
            Anyway you cut it, N3 is seen as an extension of HBC. You could of tried to fight it alone but in the end, you're no better than pets Raiden or INIT.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:32 am
          3. BntyHunter

            And you suck Mittens Cock. At least we actually get kills doing it, you guys have 10 Goons in every system in space tag along to pad your KB and still with 10k players you do less DMG than us on most months.

            Rather blow someone and do well than just blow them and call them Gods, your Goon obsession with Mittens is fucking disturbing.

            Also you have to pay PL in Tec not to rape your ass.

            You need PL more than we ever will. They are holding back all there allies from pushing your shit in.

            March 5, 2013 at 4:01 am
          4. cBOLTSON

            But we want to push goon shit inside! At least try it.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:44 am
          5. Charles Darwin

            I thought CFC did real fights and you lost all your space?

            March 5, 2013 at 1:31 pm
          6. BntyHunter

            Wrong. If CFC doesnt outnumber there target 15:1 they play it safe and pay them not to fight.

            March 6, 2013 at 4:15 am
          7. Born

            It unfortunately looks as though N3 aswell as HBC and CFC will be a participant in the war games scenario at least for a short while, as that abomination project of eve cannot and will not go on for long until it breaks out into real war, not this retarded risk a erase war games bullshit.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:30 am
          8. Nulli

            There is actual debates about this very thing going on in the forums. From the looks of it 80% of nulli does not want to join…

            March 5, 2013 at 6:47 am
          9. Born

            Join the retarded war games?

            March 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm
      2. BntyHunter

        And how many NCDOT did they kill? Or Nulli?

        How many have we killed? Thats right 4.

        RA wasnt N3 in the beginning they were acting alone. So if you are counting them as losing to you then sure you win.

        March 5, 2013 at 12:00 am Reply
        1. wannano

          As NCDOT and Nulli have PL backing them doesn't really matter now does it? as long as that's the case no one will go Super Caps with you. Just like TEST beging a great power under the leadership of PL so goes for NCDOT.

          March 5, 2013 at 2:16 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            No one would go SC`s with us anyways .SOLAR knew PL was tied up and we only had 25 SC`s and not many more pilots on, yet they didnt engage.

            If we had all Nulli and PL in Subcaps we could do the same job in 95% of the fights PL does. We have the 2nd largest SC fleet.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:10 am
          2. Born

            Ncdot had 25 SCs already in system, more came in with 20 or so titans when jammer came down.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:25 am
          3. anonymous

            Solar had 50+ in system so what is your point?

            March 5, 2013 at 1:12 pm
          4. Geth

            How long does it take to kill a jammer with 25 SCs? Okay, SOLAR would be managed to kill 2-3 your SCs while lose 8-15.

            March 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm
        2. Gilles Navarien

          I don't understand your point…. I was merely point out dead RA Supers that had died and where not listed, at no pont did I refer to them as N3 or try to pretend that they where a member of N3.

          March 5, 2013 at 3:03 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            My bad.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:23 am
          2. Sorry i missread that, sorry:)

            March 5, 2013 at 10:20 am
      3. Would you pls just read what you wrote there mate? RA yes, but RA isnt N3…-.-

        March 5, 2013 at 10:13 am Reply
    5. Born

      Since N3 vs solar bloc has gone on 13+ solar alone not including there pets wich there is half a dozen plus more have been killed.

      March 5, 2013 at 9:25 am Reply
  5. spaceship pilot

    Author is illiterate.

    March 4, 2013 at 9:22 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Do better

      March 4, 2013 at 11:25 pm Reply
  6. Spandex

    Ncdot and PL are famed for being able to deploy anywhere in eve very fast. Ncdot thrive on war that's all there about. Being one jump away from the rest of N3 or PL. is hardly a inconvenience, if anything gives the opportunity for hostiles to see them weaker but then get a shit storm on there ass within 15-20 mins if not sooner.

    March 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm Reply
    1. PLease

      I would agree with your statement concerning PL, but since when has NCDOT been known for it's long reach?

      March 5, 2013 at 2:26 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Are you joking?
        Even before I was NCDOT they were known for hitting all the way to ME space from X70 in PB.

        NCDOT is known for long range hits using our many Titans. Hell they helped make the modern "TB network" as we knot it.

        March 5, 2013 at 2:51 am Reply
      2. Born

        When ncdot fought with white lose against -A- and there numerous pets in the south. They were constantly doing 2-3 trips from north to south with subcaps and supers per day. I remember it getting a little stressful at one point but enjoyable non the less as was getting many fights in north from cfc starting to hit RDN and ncdot tech moons originally. Then the Otec bollocks was created where cfc agreed to not hit ncdot RDN. Tech etc if they did not hit there's. History it's a wonderful thing.

        March 5, 2013 at 7:02 am Reply
        1. Born

          White noise* damn predict txt!

          March 5, 2013 at 7:06 am Reply
  7. carryOn

    "Giving them a chance to run provides the advantage of creating a route. Ideally in a siege you cover all sides but one. You allow the enemy to retreat through there and continue negotiations or wait until they retreat to strike causing a full route."

    Not true when it comes to ships (study naval doctrine and cease the use of applying army doctrines to a video game where ships are used), maybe for an army on land but not ships…when it comes to ships you completely surround and destroy them, giving them no option of escape and only the choice to fight or wave the white flag.

    SOLAR has done well to hold out against the blob, I wonder what would happen if SOLAR had the same numbers as the ones that are attacking them.

    March 4, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
    1. Spandex

      Solar bloc had greater numbers than N3/RA at the start/mid of the war upto this point. They have lost numbers through there pets, as the game had been well played against them to demoralise solar pets, failscade them, this is one reason now in fights solar either have equal numbers or are outnumbered.
      Props to solar bloc for the few fights they have brought, but at start of the war it was apparent that they wouldn't Engadge unless they had system locked down with cyno jammer, or outnumbered N3 forces.
      There's nothing wrong with this logic lets face it, it took cfc needing 3:1 numbers to compete with Dotbros & 4:1 5:1 odds to succeed.

      March 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm Reply
      1. Darkside

        N3 is an extension of the HBC. End of story. PL and TEST turn up for critical CTAS. You can sugar coat it all you like but at the end of the day, what you have done is hardly an accomplishment.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:17 pm Reply
        1. CFC

          right, PL fighting with them is evidence, saying its not true isnt evidence

          March 5, 2013 at 6:27 am Reply
      2. EVE_Dude

        They fight in locked down systems because they cannot even begin to match the super numbers the combined forces attacking them can AND WILL bring to take an objective. If the blob wants something, the blob takes it. Sov warfare is really not that complicated. All that other stuff is just metagaming.

        March 5, 2013 at 4:00 am Reply
        1. Is that something you know or something you think?
          As far as i know they showed agains Legion og death that they have a huge SC fleet, correct me if im wrong

          March 5, 2013 at 10:25 am Reply
      3. black legion

        spandex you are an idiot nuff said lol solar renters dont fight or even know how to… secondly N3 and PL and RA outnumbetr them in supers and n3 and pl use foxcats nonstop the size of the whole solar fleet lol… N3 and PL are just grinding sov thru their huge advantage in supers… its sad. Not one alliance who has sov actually deserves it… and nc. and nulli are scum for sleeping with the hbc i hope you all burn

        March 15, 2013 at 1:07 am Reply
    2. N3 Pro

      Solar hasn't done well at all. They only defended one system on one occasion when they used caps and a cyno jammer. The time is just how long sov war takes to grind through thousands of timers.

      March 4, 2013 at 11:19 pm Reply
    3. Seraph IX Basarab

      Eve ships have didly squat in common with water bound ships of our world. I was addressing human psychology.

      March 4, 2013 at 11:26 pm Reply
      1. Srlsly?

        Still retarded though. Because cutting off an enemies supply line is totally not a winning tactic 0.o

        Show me one real world example where an opponent has been purposefully allowed to keep an escape/supply route open.
        On the other hand there are countless examples where cutting off an enemies escape/supply route has crucially altered the course of the war.

        March 5, 2013 at 11:43 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Nobody said anything about supply lines. We're talking about escape routes. Reading can help you get far in life.

          March 6, 2013 at 2:31 am Reply
          1. Srsly?

            Like there's a difference. Logic and facts have served me well so far, not exactly sure what system you're using.

            March 6, 2013 at 4:13 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            There is a difference. I suggest you figure that out the next time you attempt to be critical.

            March 6, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    4. BntyHunter

      Not when they have huge bases and they have jump drives to escape the "Surrounding"

      Just because we are in ships doesnt mean we use Ocean naval tactics.

      We cant block them in since its 3d and not on water…Also Carriers/BS`s can`t "jump" into a safe harbor half the world away.

      March 5, 2013 at 12:05 am Reply
      1. black legion grunt

        NC.vs SOLAR 1v1…. Solar wins

        March 5, 2013 at 4:56 am Reply
        1. Born

          Well NCdot have fought solar for the last year regularly. And before Gemjnate ncdot and evoke vs solar bloc and pets was raging. Ncdot although outnumbered lost only a few fights and took all objectives from solar.
          Yes fights would always be close between solar and ncdot. Mostly because solar has twice the number than ncdot. I'd still have my money on ncdot as results in history show that they have won 90% of the time in the past while being outnumbered.

          March 5, 2013 at 6:40 am Reply
        2. BntyHunter

          Lol you mean only SOLAR and no SOLAR Bloc vs NCDOT?

          You are retarded. NCDOT has 3x the Supers, has only 400 less pilots and on an avf SP level NCDOT is far ahead with every pilot a CAP pilot/T3.Tengu/Loki pilot and can fly basically any fleet ingame.

          We Avg 68mil sp

          Sorry bro you dont have any clue what you are talking about. The only advantage SOLAR would have is systems, if we could just fight and then let Nulli Red clean up SOLAR alone would have no hope.

          So far we havent fought a major SC war, and if it got even close we could just bully them with our massive fleet. But it wouldnt get that far.

          SOLARS 2200 players cant beat our 1600 heads up.

          March 6, 2013 at 12:35 am Reply
          1. black legion

            lmao yes they can… Solar is older then nc. and have had the most supers for a long time… their number are unknown… they might not still have as many supers as they did previously but i guarentee they can match nc. solo in supers… and Solar are highly skilled and experienced russians… also when nc. deployed to geminate and was fucking around there solar didnt deploy all their pets etc. and i guarentee you a bunch of solar wasnt even showing up… regardless 1v1 i give it to Solar… if thats not true why are you batphoning pl and the hbc everyday… because you/no one does anything alone anymore cause your all pussies and attempting to push out one of the last respectable alliances… its a sad day in eve… and nulli and ra cant take solar 2v1 lmao your n3 coalition is a joke your in the hbc we all know it

            March 15, 2013 at 1:13 am
  8. Structure Grind

    Grinding 200 systems is by no means a fast noose. There will be weeks yet where Solar will feel the pressure–feel the squeeze if you will. And it's not like NCdot and N3 are going across EVE from each other; they're within 2 titan jumps of wherever the other would be fighting… which is the same number of jumps required to get to many of the battlegrounds anyway.

    March 4, 2013 at 10:28 pm Reply
  9. Kadeshi Grunt

    I´m part of N3, and let´s get real here…

    SOLAR represents no menace to us. I´m not saying that they are not a powerful coalition, ao contraire, i fought then a couple fo times and it´s always great fights. But they are not invading us, or threatning our sov, or something like that. The only reason N3 is attacking Solar is to give us something to do. A bone to gnaw, if you prefer. And a lot of CEO´s are becoming increasily aware of this. This, and how PL pets we are becoming, more and more. And people are starting to feel very unconfortable with this.

    Sure, we have no power to fight PL or Testies or goons. But we thought that tthis alliance could be an alternative. Something with some degree of independence from the power blocks. But we´re turning more and more in simple pets, nothing more.

    And, with this in mind, comes a question. Solar are great fighters, but they´ll fall (or lose Sov, if you prefer to believe they´ll live in NPC space, or some alternative) . And then ? What N3 will do ? Small skirmish, with a NIP, against claimed./uncliamed. ? The next alliance PL order us to wipe ? We´ll grown fat from the rats, using supers to farm isk ?

    If things come to this i, personally, prefer to gather some funds, enough to isk for plex for a year, and to replace ships, and, then, become a pirate, or live in npc space.

    Or stop playing, just keeping the charecter active for training purposes, untill something really interesting happen.

    Eve was a great place for fun. Now it´s just boring and sad, more and more.

    Fly dangerous.

    Kadeshi Grunt

    March 4, 2013 at 10:44 pm Reply
    1. Spandex

      One I guarantee your bit in N3 two your retarded if you thin N3 are PL pets. My advice would either to be more butt hurt tab you already are or if you are some how in N3 leave them as you seemingly don't have the brain to realise that with a mass blue napfest created by cfc/HBC N3 are the best thing eve is going to get to a decent fight at this current time within eve. N3 to support HBC is the one hope we currently have to finally get rid of CFCs dead weight and make sure that such an abomination can never minipulate it's way to create a rmt/botting empire for the lucky chosens RL wallets.
      Measures have to be taken to defeat cfc. No one likes mass blobs, or nobody that knows how to actually Pvp does. But as is apparent ncdot & the likes of PL need a coalition to go against the retards of cfc, only way it can be done within the shitty sov mechanics of eve currently. Try understanding what needs to be done and that its sacrifice on many people's part to have created N3 as its not how a majority of them would realistically want to play the game!

      March 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm Reply
      1. Spandex

        One I guarantee your not in N3. Two your retarded if you think N3 are PL pets. My advice would either to be more butt hurt than you already are or if you are some how in N3 to leave them as you seemingly don't have the brain to realise that with a mass blue napfest created by cfc/HBC N3 are the best thing eve is going to get to a decent fight at this current time within eve. N3 to support HBC is the one hope we currently have to finally get rid of CFCs dead weight and make sure that such an abomination can never minipulate it's way to create a rmt/botting empire for the lucky chosens RL wallets again.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:05 pm Reply
      2. joe

        n3 isn't blue with n3 and pl is no longer blue with n3 or nc.

        March 5, 2013 at 12:25 am Reply
      3. Thodoros

        @ Spandex,

        Its ppl like you who i found to be the most disgracefull ever.
        To call thousands of others retards and be disrepectable of their choices and opinion make you a moron.
        None believes you, and none will buy that you have any idea of what is goin on on the high ranks of N3 and PL.
        The N3/PL and co, is a blob in itself and that alone contradict themselfs that they hate sov warfare and blobing.
        So take your bike to some other game because you fail in this one.

        March 5, 2013 at 7:53 am Reply
        1. Born

          Spandex may be heavy handed with words, but what your simply not getting is what he is saying.
          What he says is true, N3 are making the best of eve in its current climate & N3 are a direct result of the blob cfc/HBC has made in the past few years.
          It's not how many of the alliances in N3 would prefer to play the game, as many are very independent, but its unfortunately the only at to service and compete with a lesser foe with greater numbers (cfc)
          This is basically what he was saying and you are failing to understand…

          March 5, 2013 at 8:52 am Reply
          1. Thodoros

            I am not failing to understand anything at all.
            Look at the number of alliances attacking an entity like the Solar block.
            They all work together to achieve their goals, which i respect and i understand.
            Dont try to cover up his failings.
            I speak with tag and i am not hiding like some other monkeys around here behind a nickname.
            As for N3 that you guys think its an elite pvp block you are also wrong.
            The only alliance that is above else like head and shoulders is the NC. in its current form.
            Not Nulli (i like them but not the top) not PL, or even the RA.
            Its the NC. that does the damage to Solar.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:41 pm
          2. Born

            Spandex was saying that N3 are elite?? From what iv read he never said that at all. It's people like you who go off on one without reading properly. Your going far off topic and if your referring to what he said you make no sence.
            Mb read what I said again as that's simplified to what spandex is referring to.
            In short cfc/HBC created the situation every body's in right now, is only natural for people to adapt until its sorted out and to make the best of a god aweful situation.
            And just for reference solar bloc outnumbered N3/RA at start of the war.
            Solar have lost a lot of numbers through their pets disbanding. They had the numbers originally to make a difference, they could of used it to a better advantage to what they have.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:28 pm
          3. Thodoros

            Ok he did not say elite but he claims that N3 is the best thing to get a decent fight?
            It matters not as to what the CFC/HBC has create or the Solar block.
            You have many great alliances and other entities that could give you fights BL/Outbreak etc.
            About the numbers you are talking about that make me laugh.
            Solar never ever could had bigger fleet than the N3, even without the RA.
            Never ever count renters in a fight, they never exceed single digits in any fleet.

            March 5, 2013 at 4:42 pm
          4. Born

            So your stating that should not count solar pets in this wich would likewise be the same as ncdot not counting there allies. Well if that's the case it's 250-300 solar alone vs 100-200 Ncdot.
            What it comes down to is you whining about numbers.

            Fact of the matter being solar had more numbers than N3/RA at the start if the war and was being beaten, them blue balling 90% of the time and backstabbing their allies, irc etc has not exactly done anything for there image or numbers.
            What you have before you is Macteps inept decision making over the last several months wich has reduced solar members to this and has disbanded many solar pets.

            March 5, 2013 at 5:25 pm
          5. Born

            And they were still being beaten back at the start* i mean, damn predict txt,and blue balling unless they had more numbers. Many a fleet we formed equal numbers to solar bloc and they stood down, this is well before PL were involved.

            March 5, 2013 at 5:27 pm
          6. Thodoros

            Dude stop changing my words.
            The only clear mention of number i made it was about the number of alliances with proper pvp skills attacking Solar.
            I never mention start, middle or now or yesterday.
            And for all your insight i thank you on behalf of the Peoples Democratic Dictatorship of Razor for that you have share with us.

            March 6, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    2. N3 Pro

      Trust a kadeshi grunt to not have a clue about n3. The majority of n3 are highly skilled elite pvpers who will always spend most of their time pvping and have already been doing that literally for years. I really don't think they are going to do anything other then continue to do that to the highest standards as they have always done. N3 is literally made up of Eve's most impressive pvpers and to suggest they are going to be Care Bears shows you haven't got a clue who you have been flying with, or what they are capable of…

      March 4, 2013 at 11:03 pm Reply
      1. PLvet

        Piss off.

        NC. perhaps is worthy of the elite pvp title. Nulli however are utter cowardly shit. There has never been a time in EVE when they have never run from the tough war. Most recently up north and in the south. In the south they even managed to help finish off AAA by taking their SOV while they were still fighting Nullis war which Nulli ran away from.

        End of the day, we can take NC. home anytime and the rest of the shit in N3 will run away into obsurity. Never forget that without us, you would be nowhere in the east.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm Reply
        1. lol

          "plvet" aka shit aaa

          March 4, 2013 at 11:25 pm Reply
        2. petwatch

          Everyone but N3 knows if NC. & PL went to do other stuff the war would stop and N3 would only have that space because TEST let them.

          March 4, 2013 at 11:29 pm Reply
          1. lol

            lol is this what mactep is telling solar or mittens is telling cfc?

            March 5, 2013 at 11:26 am
        3. BntyHunter

          PL VET…Lol you mean bitter AAA vet? Who got absorbed into PL his worst enemy?

          NCDOT is far more Exp than our buddies in N3 but they are solid pewers who are very eager.

          TBH I wish PL would stop being HBC assets and officially come with us.

          March 4, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
          1. ELITEST

            Um….dude… they are the ones leading the fight you are in right now…look out your porthole. Has NCDOT ever fought a war on it's own? I've only been around 2 or 3 years but I've never seen them come close to winning without DRF, EVOKE, PL, BL someone leading them.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:22 am
          2. BntyHunter

            Lol NCDOT was leading DRF war with PL but fighting different fronts.

            BL and Elo never led except for 2 week period where Elo started to FC most 65% of battles.

            Once more you keep up with news enough to be misinformed but not enough to know these facts.

            You realize NCDOT was in the north fighting NC since…Forever right? You realize that Tri which is basically same was way before PL was " Good". NCDOT was part oif the reason DRF made such a big entrance, NCDOT was one of the ones who knew the area so damned well.

            Also look at how successful they are with different groups…You name almost any major fighting in last 4 years and NCDOT was part of it. You can`t say that for most others, so what is the common theme? NCDOT fighting, not them being led.

            Also maybe you don`t understand but name me a war PL did on there own. Name me a BL war with only BL. Name me DND without there buddies.

            Guys who fly in massive coalitions dont get it, but in small groups you need allies to make up the numbers gap, not to equal it but to make it so your skill doesnt get overwhelmed by blobish numbers.

            Also when looking at your list they aren`t led at all, they usually have buddies who are strongest in other TZ`s or areas.

            DRF- They scouted and NCDOT closed in from within NC space not like other DRF who came from east.
            PL- we fight often but are more equals than anything, we dont have luxary of having TEST so we need NULLI+PL for fighters, Still we are less in numbers than GSF alone. Also we are only 2nd to PL in SC`s so its not that we need there SC`s its that they like to use them and we like using Subs rather than our SC`s…So why change that? If we used our SC`s all the time you would bitch as well.

            Evoke was our Bro`s forever and they would have been one with us if not for Language TBH.

            BL was very tight with us as well, but since you forget BL was the little bro before they became famous by Mittens. They were always great but less known and smaller.

            Have illusions all the groups you mention come to join us 90% of the time becausethey know we will fight a lot and they want the action.

            PL has Test+HBC
            BL has 401k and others
            Evoke had us and Cry Havoc
            DRF had eachother

            So why can`t we have allies without it looking like we can`t lead?

            March 5, 2013 at 3:08 am
          3. Born

            Eletist you don't have a clue what your talking about. Plus why should NCdot always fight outnumbered when there foes have there pets as numbers against them also.
            My advice would be to have a clue what your talking about initially before speaking. Secondly to go fuck yourself you whining little cunt.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:21 am
          4. karma

            thats eve not just specific to ncdot

            March 5, 2013 at 6:47 am
          5. PLvet

            I love my Nc. bros but they made a bad move doing N3.
            Never have I seen a colaition chest beat so hard…'elite pvpers' my ass.
            What has N3 accomplished? Nothing. They ran away from the north in defeat,
            took some very easy space in the south from an entity we already crippled
            and then when they were about to fight something tough (Solar), they called
            us for help. You're shit. The day NC. leaves, N3 will collapse to pure Raiden like
            pet status.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:40 am
          6. BntyHunter

            Im NCDOT BTW. Its funny though what has PL done without massive help? Lately at least.

            Why does PL need TEST? Why does PL not want CFC war?

            Also you really think Nulli is shit skills wise? I dont think they are the best but they are very solid.

            I could have been in Habit after I left CH because TBh Habit is all Cry Havoc. I chose NCDOT because it isnt as worried about making ISK.

            IMO PL could help us take over ALL THE TEC not just some.

            Lastly we at least had the nuts to fight the CFC, yes we were invaded but we could have become pets and had all our Tec, but then lost all credibility. IMO we gained a lot by fighting CFC and doing so well for so few we had.

            I can`t remember a Time where PL didnt have a massive backing either, but I dont see that as making you guys any less.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:59 am
          7. Born

            Ncdot has a lot more credibility than PL.
            The difference being PL has slightly more supers and titans but are filled for the most part with people with huge egos who think they are awesome at eve.
            Ncdot proves they are awesome at eve from dotbros war as an example,and in a much more subtle way knows they are good but for the most part doesn't proverbially emo ego spurge about it.
            Although they have less supers/titans I'd certainly say they are a slight cut above PL. when it comes to using subcaps.

            This has always been the difference between the two and wich is why ncdot as the more subtle less "look at me, look over here" attention whore. Has far more credibility than PL.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:12 am
          8. U know who

            PL picked up a huge number of supers and probably 15 more titans with the assimilation of those -A- corps. I think the difference might be bigger than you think.

            March 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm
          9. U know who

            be careful, BNty…don't fight the hand that leads you. Without the PL bat phone things may be quite different.

            You did have the balls to fight the CFC, but you act like Vince had a choice. Props for not bailing immediately and making them pay for the moons, but in all honesty NC sucked on that tech tit as long as they could. if Mittens would have allowed it, you would still be up there today.

            March 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm
          10. BntyHunter

            Anyone would still be there with the Tech, including you.

            But the second CFC started to act tough we started to fuck with them. We didnt take any shit from Goons, they realized that WN/Raiden and others like Evoke were no longer there to fight with us and so they started to act tough.

            Well we fucked them up in a lot of fleets and that started the war.

            We didnt wait for Goons to ask us to leave, when they got condescending we killed them, we simply didnt have the numbers anymore to fight them.

            Also PL is great and fun, but you ae stupid if you think we wouldnt be fighting SOLAR with out them.

            March 10, 2013 at 8:13 pm
          11. U know who

            Actually, I wouldn't. IMO tech ruins corps and alliances. I'm in a small non sov PVP alliance that likes to shoot falcons…

            Tech destroys and NCDOT was like a prizefighter that smoked crack.

            If I recall NCDOT had a lot of internal dissention as a result of that CFC relationship. In retrospect getting off the tech tit (albeit unwillingly) has probably been the best thing for NCDOT. IMO You've shed fat, you're more focused and have become much stronger as a result. LOL you should all send Mittens a thank you card.

            My disagreement is with how you portray your conflict with CFC. NCDOT didn't willingly say "fuck yo tech money " and go to war with CFC, it was forced upon you. Granted, you made mittens pay dearly for doing it. But it was never your choice.

            March 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm
          12. NotBiting

            PLvet or shitting in his boots Goon trying to stir shit up? Bitch, you been busted.

            March 5, 2013 at 12:21 pm
          13. U know who

            You're likely correct. PL is now brimming with bitter -A- guys. Hmmmm how's that gonna work for Nulli and N3 long term?
            If Shadoo were forced to choose between N3 and just about anyone else PL is currently aligned with I'm guessing N3 comes out on the losing side. It's even feasible if the CFC helped Solar at this point PL might even back off as it would potentially disrupt income. If PL backs out, I think Vince would too.

            March 10, 2013 at 7:25 pm
        4. Again a fucktard whos not in PL..
          Ive said it before and i can repeat myself again, -A- didnt fight Nullies war, -A- was docked most of the time in 319 and they were only staying fo good fights and fun, they cared fuck all about Nullies space..
          Last but not least Nulli plus friends was kicking yours and tests arse without -A-, untill you sucked so much cock on Mittens that he came to the south to help you..
          Plvet, more like bitter Ex -A-

          March 5, 2013 at 9:42 am Reply
          1. U know who

            You can repeat yourself all you want. It don't make it true.

            The -A- never undocks schitck is old and worn… -A- cared fuck all for Nulli space true…but in all honestly they cared little for their own space….it was what kept them alive so long.

            PL and test initally deployed to Delve under the premise of "gudfights" that escalated into sov war. Nulli asked for help and -A- deployed. As soon as they did CFC got involved creating Ithe war that was not winnable. Nulli and -A- disagreed with how best to defend, -A- wanted to concede the space and retake it in the same manner as they did post DRF war. Nulli wanted -A- to welp all their assets defending Delve in a hopeless conflict. When -A- declined with that approach, Nulli used it to rationalize their flight from Delve.

            Nulli fucked off to FW chasing the ISK, after that was nerfed, they found a sugar daddy with Vince and the NCDOT. Vince, a friend of PL and Test convinced PGL to swallow hard, suck up to those that invaded them (TEST and PL) and at the same time fuck (-A-) their old friends that helped them in the first place.

            I guess if you can manufacture a good backstory, you can get away with just about anything.

            March 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm
          2. BntyHunter

            A didnt care for there space? then why did they collapse after losing it?

            Also you talk about Nulli swallowing hard? But in reality when you are a PVP based alliance odds are you are going to be friends with guys you fought and sometimes lost to in your career.

            Look at the guys i nAAA who talked so much shit about how bad PL was then went….Those guys are 10x worse than Nulli.

            March 10, 2013 at 8:16 pm
          3. U know who

            Yeah I have lots of friends and a chunk of them are in opposing alliances … I get that.
            At least those -A- members now in PL had the spine to actually lose the war before joining Shadoo's SC retirement club. Nulli bailed to FW and subsequently to Vince as soon as it got rough. Nulli has always put chasing ISK as it's top priority its always been their Achilles heel.

            And what of the leadership in PL that snapped up the the so-called -A- scrubs. What's your opinion of them?

            March 11, 2013 at 5:12 am
        5. Nulli Vet

          Mate you have no fucking idea about Nulli and you have no idea about what it is to fight completley outnumbered, hell we would suicide 200 man fleets against 600 PL/Test and friends and we knew we would fucking loose but we didnt care we fought for it.

          So dont you splerge shit about an alliance you know fucking nothing about, your in fucking PL ffs you guys even tried to take on Nulli and co in Delve with your 1000 supers or whatever and you ended up having to call fucking test to hold you fucking hand because you were totally outmatched in the subcap field and your little war came to a stand still. And still even getting Test to help you wasn't enough you ended up calling the whole of the fucking CFC to hold your hand aswell. Hell you even lost a Titan to Nulli and BL ffs

          Wtf do you know about elite pvp and wtf do you know about Nulli eh? fuck all. Stupid PL member thinking hes so awesome and know everything there is to know about Pvp because hes got 1000 supers behind him. Fuck off mate I wont listen to a PL member until PL prooves they can actually fight on subcap level not just super cap level, until then you are as shit as anyone else in Eve

          March 5, 2013 at 11:14 am Reply
          1. Born

            Aye as an observer nulli held there own vs test/PL. no doubt about that. Nulli is good in its own wright as well as PL for obvious reasons of super blob.
            These are factors of success all the same, and any amount of childishly raging at each other will not change those factors!

            March 5, 2013 at 11:20 am
      2. Gilles Navarien

        "Highly skilled elite PvPers" get the fuck over yourself, you can successfully press F1 when told to by your small number of pretty fucking good fc's i'll give you that.


        Round 1 – Even Numbers…. Slaughtered
        Round 2 – 2:1 Odds in Favour… "We used our advanced super tactics and won the day using elite methods" aka, we blobbed the fuck out of them.
        Round 3 – Out Numbered them by 80…. Slaughtered… system reset back to the beginning.

        I'm not entirely sure how "elite" you guys think you are at grunt level but lol, you've won a bunch of fights because you have all the blues in the world and all the isk you could ever dream up. Combined with a handful of really skilled FC's who you all fly along holding onto the coat tails. Hell when the "useless pathetic solar pets" had ELO FCing us, we dunked 200 Rokhs and 10 Carriers of your "elite PvPers" in a day…. and then you stopped fighting us for the tech, I guess I must be fucking awesome… Oh wait no.. I just pressed F1 and aligned where I was told.

        Credit where credit is due, not to the blobbing hoard who need a serious ego reset.

        March 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm Reply
        1. Jewberry

          You fail To mention that 1 solar bloc won the fight while having slightly more numbers/ equal give you that. But with a massively bubbled up gate cyno jammer and blap dreads/ Slowcats at optimals. You negate the fact that for a fleet to jump into that they will regardless lose significant numbers. That's how solar won the first fight they outgunned N3/PL and had system locked down. 3rd fight equal numbers solar reset system but got welped.
          Being in NCdot I pride that our alliance unlike many are subtle for the most part, yes there's going to be some big egos here and there, but for the most part our members get on with how we like playing eve, wich revolves around killing things be it if we are equal numbers or significantly outnumbered. We have proven we do not back away from a challenge however outnumbered we are, as past events will prove to you. We do not see ourselves as elitists, we just expect more from our members, hence why there's such a strong Pvp orientated positive attitude as there has always been, this iv been seeing certainly rubbs off on the people around us, showing you that there's always room for improvement and you don't have to settle for being a cfc pet, you can enjoy the game to the best eve has to offer at this current dark time.

          March 4, 2013 at 11:45 pm Reply
          1. PLease

            They might of had all those advantages but you still had PL, and from my perspective I would bet on PL over the crap you're talking about.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:29 am
          2. BntyHunter

            Then you are stupid and dont know the game well.

            Problem with all you non PVPing guys who live on the news sites rather than get involved is you dont know enough to be informed and you know just enough to quote out of context and misinterpret info.

            You can`t just say, screw the facts…"PL is good and why you are winning" just because you have heard there name so much.

            Fact is we where 63% wins vs SOLAR in the opening before PL ever showed up.
            60% even when Elo helped SOLAR.
            68% when Elo left because they got addicted to him organizing, which TBH can be easy to do since he is on 23/7 and is very good at organizing [even far better than he is FCing.]

            You are showing yourself to be another lemming who knows little.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:56 am
        2. BntyHunter

          Lol round 1 when you had BL helping we won? You won a few but we won the overall. Also that was also when RA did there own thing.

          Please I want BR`s of all this killing of us you have done.

          We dont press F1, we have ships with Traversal and they aren`t singly grouped.

          Funny how in begining of war when you outnumbered us and were beating us "SO BADLY" you began to give up and blueball us day and night.

          Hell your pets quit and you started bleeding members.

          In the begining of war you had 15k players and we had 9k, then we added Pl to get 11k and now you have what? 7k all because you treat people like shit and are getting beaten badly….Man wouldnt it have been nice to have groups like IC and other groups you screwed to get here?

          How about when you tried to fuck us with all of CFC? We beat you in those battles as well, even though we lost Ihubs.

          Now you are complaining about it? Now you are gangbang victim.

          March 4, 2013 at 11:56 pm Reply
          1. Gilles Navarien


            These are the two fights that i'm refering to, after which we didn't see any N3 resistance in Geminate for the rest of the tech moons, guess you are capable of blue balling fights you can't win too? :-) 10? more towers went down without any resistance at all.

            "We dont press F1, we have ships with Traversal and they aren`t singly grouped." – so when the FC says anchor up you click orbit at 2500 in your ahacs instead, okey your eliteness is proven, my mistake sir.

            "Funny how in begining of war when you outnumbered us and were beating us "SO BADLY" you began to give up and blueball us day and night." – I never said we where beating you so badly, I simply pointed out that for a decent period of time when Elo was in charge of the Pets N3 would not fight during US TZ.

            "Hell your pets quit and you started bleeding members." – I don't have any pets, I was a low level leadership member of said pets.

            "How about when you tried to fuck us with all of CFC? We beat you in those battles as well, even though we lost Ihubs." – Yup you slaughtered the CFC and just dropped the sov because winning was easy, i've heard this tale before.

            "How about when you tried to fuck us with all of CFC? We beat you in those battles as well, even though we lost Ihubs." – Comrade Mactep wanted Geminate back. SOLAR went after Geminate long before you started your war with the CFC, no offical "cease fire" was ever agreed. Then you went and started another war, and somehow expected the one with SOLAR to just disappear because well you'd perfer it that way? Your Diplomacy skill has decreased by 1

            "Now you are complaining about it? Now you are gangbang victim." – I'm not, SOLAR and King Mactep made some crazy choices and didn't really lead/work with the pets overly well. I doubt you'll find many in the English speak pet leadership who will disagree with this (Godwin excluded, hes Macteps lover).

            Anyways! I'm not going to reply again i've seen your threads spurge out of control and have no interest to debate this shit any longer, just want to tidy out some falsehoods.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:51 am
          2. BntyHunter

            Lol you will replay in a pafe but you ont reply any longer :)

            We never didn`t fight SOLAR. I am late US time and we fought them more when Elo was in charge. But im 3 hours behind, I still always saw Elo, or other BL.

            Also we did horribly beat CFC. And the Ihub battles we would routinely get 150+ Kills while losing 20ish, problem was they would Ref 3+ a night and we couldnt cover all, in fact we only could cover 1.

            Also according to you there are no good PVPers as we all press F1 and anchor….Lol ever wonder why some groups have 75% effect while fighting the best or most Eve has to offer?

            Keep thinking all PVPers are at similar levels and you will watch your alli`s crumble over and over.
            Part of PVP is flying the right ship for your skillset, and thats another reason why some are massively better.

            March 5, 2013 at 3:53 am
          3. karma

            there is only winning, none of this "we couldn't cover everything" excuse shit, or however yoda put it

            March 5, 2013 at 6:44 am
          4. BntyHunter

            Its not an excuse…Its the truth.

            Never have I said we won and kept SOV. But I will always say that we beat CFC in every battle under 2.5:1, I will also say GSF had enough to do multi pronged attacks, we did not.

            Those are the facts. We won 80% of the battles, CFC won the war. Anyone there will say the same if they are honest.

            One thing I have noticed about CFC is they chest beat about taking SOV and winnng battles but they were mostly when we simply had 20ish guys to cover a IHUB.

            We knew we were going to lose from the start, it was about how much blood we could get out of CFC and damned if we didnt bleed them heavily…We killed 4:1 and where outnumbered as a whole 4:1

            March 6, 2013 at 12:48 am
          5. Charles Darwin

            Tldr you won by losing all your space. But you're still elite and would be totally fine without PL to babysit your super fleet.

            March 5, 2013 at 1:41 pm
          6. BntyHunter

            When did I say we won? Thats right I never did.

            I state facts. We won battles lost war/SOV.
            We always knew we`d lose.
            We killed 4 x our numbers of deaths, while being outnumbered 4 to 1…If you wanna brag abotu that victory go do it. And get laughed at.

            March 6, 2013 at 12:50 am
          7. Jewberry

            Gilles you complete retard, only reason you took ncdot moons was because they stopped defending them when they moved from north to south. Prior to that you won a few fight, most part with CFCs help. And the other 90% of the time Solar/CFC failed to take any moons and failed to take any objectives in Geminate.
            That to define it briefly is the truth.

            March 5, 2013 at 5:59 am
          8. Guy

            A DPS grunt in a large fleet, regardless of the alliance, is pretty much a glorified F1 pusher. The difference between a CFC alliance and ncdot is that ncdot enforces SP requirements, ship doctrines, has excellent FCs and is very well organised.

            Please don't mistake an individual pilot's skill with the skill of an alliance.

            March 5, 2013 at 6:29 am
          9. Thodoros


            March 5, 2013 at 8:01 am
          10. BntyHunter

            Only in massive fleets is this true.

            TBH we shine in our 20-30 man fleets and we only do our Bi_daily big fleets to maintain our ability to fly in groups like we love to.

            If you think that Goon grunts are as knowledgeable as NC. grunts your crazy.

            Thats whatseperates talent, knowing what to do when things go wrong, also knowing what to do before FC tells you.

            In NCDOT our FC`s are so good because they dont have to waste there time telling us stupid shit, like Anchor, or split DMG when Primary is about to die, or killing Tackle or switching reps to a important tackler….This means we are 3 steps ahead and Fc`s job is that much easier.

            FC`s have enough to do without micro managing. When my Spy toons in CFC are on its horribly funny I feel like im in Eve-U. When im in NCDOT and I dont do simple things im called out.

            You can`t even measure this TBH.

            March 6, 2013 at 12:45 am
        3. Noisrevbus

          The problem with history revisionists and self-dilluded people like yourself is that you can write a full two paragraphs and invalidate everything because it's based on assumption rather than truth.

          In the eyes of someone who keep no blues, someone who keep some blues is no different than those who keep more blues.

          Also, it's pretty amusing to see guys like you watch a bunch of playboy subcaps casually jump into a fully deployed capital-grid and then go "lol slaughtered, they don't take this seriously", yet when they take it a bit more seriously, deploy beforehand, take down a jammer to fight class-class and the opposing forces scatter and route; then they are "elite methods supers blobbers". There's no pleasing psycophants.

          Here's the truth: Everyone involved is a "blobber", such is life because the game encourages it. That is wrong, but those are the realities we deal with. Goons got to where they are because they understood the tilt in the game and exploited it, PL adapted in suit (from being pirates, to medium trifecta, to dabbling in politics, to holding sov, to mercing supers, to hold moons and form coalitions), SOLAR did the same (in the russian subset meta, and have swallowed all competition there) and N3 is equally a result of how the cookie crumbles.

          BL are by no means any different just because Elo had an existential crisis in a political jabber-channel and decided to go poke in some other region for a while; during this ridiculous cold-war that exist because viking programmers have yet to get their thumbs out or keep making poor choices that just further encourages the behaviour you see from all actors on the scene.

          If you didn't want NCdot to form N3 and operate with PL, or PL not to form the HBC with TEST – you should have opposed the HP-nerf on Supers, because these are in fact the direct results of those nerfs. When it was decided that "Supers should require subcapital support to be effective" you sealed the comming of HBC and N3 because that is "the subcapital support". Idiots.

          Retards like you don't realize that most alliances would like things to be different, but what BL are doing right now is no rebellion from the clutches of policy, it's just some RnR in irrelevance from the serious business of armsracing to relevance that few enjoy but everyone feel obliged to adapt to because vikings provide no alternatives. It's either that or be gleefully happy in your inability to hurt your opponents' low-risk assets at the smaller scales – where people still "blob".

          March 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply
          1. Noisrevbus

            I just wanted to add this: you can actually see it very clearly if you just look at what these groups are, where their playerbase streams from and how the game have changed.

            TRI was one of the first trifecta alliances (police/pirate – roam – hotdrop) both NCdot (Doom) and PL (Oshit) have roots in the old TRI. Many active leadership in PL today (Elise, Hedliner etc.) came from CH which was also a trifecta. These alliances' primary recruitment pool is other small-medium groups tired of being marginalized by the game development. That's where they get their pilots (in Supers). Lowsec and NPC-null is still literally crawling with small-medium Super-heavy trifecta that rarely meet headlines on E24 or TM because they have been marginalized.

            If oldschool piracy is dead and roaming lack targets – that leave only hotdrops, which is why you see these capital-heavy groups coalesce and mostly engage in that: police-hotdrops, and capitals … and they engage in the upper political meta because in a world of free subcaps that's the only place where you can still shoot, hurt and impact an opponent in EVE: the only kills that hurt anymore are moons, Supers and asset traps (Stations).

            It's not fucking rocket science, is it?

            March 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm
          2. Born

            Idiots may neg you noisrevbus, in truth what you say is true, supers and titans needed a nerf, but not the amount of nerf that actually happened, as you correctly said this is one of many factors, others including mass blob numbers that cfc have used to make up for lack of skill, shit sov mechanics etc etc. All in all the eve we have today is a huge thanks (sarcasm) to cfc influence to change the game to benifit them. I wish it wasn't true, and they are not only to blame but they most deffinately are the biggest benifactors.
            People who disagree with this are blind to reality or just simply don't understand what the helps going on!

            March 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm
      3. Nulli survivor

        I was in nulli until titangate, had to bail. Nulli refused to fight roaming gangs that flew thru their space. They still dock up as I now fly thru their systems in my new corp looking for GFs. The roams I do see them on, they won't engage unless they are baited or they outnumber or outship the other fleet by a significant number. They are nothing but carebears!!!

        March 5, 2013 at 12:54 am Reply
        1. Thats kinda funny cause when i used to be part of the Nulli family, there was always a hord of small gangs comming to nullies space because they knew that they got good fights..

          March 5, 2013 at 9:55 am Reply
        2. lol

          Well im taking you as major aaa faggot or solar not sure which, but your welcome to come to i-1 were we are get get shit stomped/

          March 5, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
      4. Maru

        N3 gives no fucks about :elitepvp:. Nexus Fleet, being primarily newbros, are much-beloved. Canaris Roshaak of S2N spends quite a bit of time thinking up newbie-friendly fleet fits to complement the high-end stuff. Basically, you use whatever resources on hand you have to achieve the objective with the minimum possible fuss. If that's numbers, then great. If that's supercaps, then drop the hammer. If it's superior fleet compositions and command, then that's fine too.

        We've been fucked enough times by the zerg to realize that it's not enough to masturbate over your elite killboard stats. -A- tried that, and now they're deader than the czars. You cannot have any compunctions about using the tools at your disposal.

        March 5, 2013 at 5:35 am Reply
        1. cBOLTSON

          Its not about being elite. Its about proper planning and committing to fights. Too many people in game lose faith after their first loss. The victors use the lessons learned in failure to make the next battle a success.

          I used to fly with canaris. I have to say personally I think what he managed to do when he moved over to nulli is remarkable.

          GRDE guys, here's some love from your old SF bros <3

          March 5, 2013 at 6:51 am Reply
    3. THOR

      You don't know what you talking about. Please use some other name so i don't have to read such a bad comment linked to our alliance name. Go away!

      March 4, 2013 at 11:37 pm Reply
    4. Noisrevbus

      – Joins a corporation, that
      – Joins an alliance, that
      – Is part of a Coalition, that
      – Operates with other coalitions, that
      – Make up the political scene of the game.

      = Has existential crisis.

      Cheers for sharing though, maybe it's time to start your own corp and enjoy non-political roaming?

      March 5, 2013 at 2:19 am Reply
    5. Ishtah

      ^ This bitch please leave nulli saying that we cant fight PL or Test? Are you fucking retarded? I seem to remember we held delve with no problems against those two little shits no problem. How many times do i have to reiterate the fact that the only group that took delve was the cfc. Claiming that we're a PL PET? Go fuck yourself in the street and get hit by a car.

      March 5, 2013 at 3:55 am Reply
      1. Yeah it was actually interesting follow before the great Kitty cat Mittens drove down south to help, but i guess he got tired of listening to Shampoo crying-.-

        March 5, 2013 at 10:00 am Reply
    6. Nizfiz

      your attitude is crap and sad. you're basically asking "what's the point"… reductio ad absurdum. you're playing a video game… if getting good fights will SOLAR isn't enough because you think it has no purpose (you're a pet or w/e), then maybe you're looking for a little too much "purpose" in Eve.

      March 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply
    7. Lionel_Joeseph

      Kadeshi grunt is merely mirroring many of the concerns that have been flowing around lately. Are N3 PL pets? No I don't think so. Do our interests line up right now? Maybe I guess so. Is the broself relationship between PL and NCDot helping? Yes.

      Love em or hate them having PL on your side in a fight brings a lot of weight to the table. Myself I think they are a very capable alliance, maybe a tad overrated but it works for them. Has EVE devolved into super blobbing? Of course that's only natural. As characters get older and richer they are going to get into bigger ships, in a game like EVE with a lower than average level of atrophy most of these characters are still around and are going to stick together in larger and larger blocks. So blobbing won't go away without instituting rules on engagements that will cause a complete uproar in the community.

      It's also true the war in the East has grown increasingly stale as blue balling in the current sov game is a completely valid tactic. There was an incident on the weekend where a load of supers was dropped on an insignificant target. People said it was overkill. But the reality is that it was just pilots being bored and jumping at any opportunity to kill a nice big shiny. Hey if you got word that a cap was tackled you'd be in like Flynn.

      But this incident was indicative of what the blueballing has done to the line members. Most are tired of incapping stuff. Ask anyone in the USTZ how much fun it has been to see jabber pings for fleets all day when they are at work only to come home and the only fleets are fleets to incap a POS or some other structure. Stress levels are rising even though N3 clearly has the upper hand.

      As for this new tactic of splitting forces. I think it may be a bit premature. SOLAR no doubt still has some fight in them. This may be a way to draw fights from them who knows.

      The reality is if any one of these entities gets in trouble the bat phone is right there standing by with a cap fleet on the other side. So it's just a matter of when not if now. SOLAR is a respectable enemy but the deck was just too stacked against them.

      Course as usual my opinion feel free to disagree.

      March 5, 2013 at 1:57 pm Reply
      1. Kadeshi Grunt

        Thanks the godess, someone who knows how to argue !!!!!

        Actually, considering the overall gramatical level (and this coming from someone who is not that skilled with the english language), finally someone who knows how to write at all…

        I agree with you, Lionel. Being a grunt (and that´s all i am, just a simple grunt) all i can say is what i see in the lower decks, even from my corp. And people likes to keep this ilusion of some independency from the Great Power Blocks. So, when a op is called to help PL bash structures (oh, the joy), and the alliance leadership do not make clear that is was a PL op, not related to our war against Solar, things went…strange. A lot of pilots and corps had this sudden feeling of being just pets.

        Again, i repeat: N3 have no power to fight against the blocks. None have. But we like to think we are a entity apart from then…an alternative.

        So, when that hapenned, the illusion shatered.

        It´s hard to be more specific..it´s just that odd feeling when you believe in something, and it´s gone. And the fun is starting to go to.

        Fly dangerous.

        Kadeshi Grunt

        March 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm Reply
      2. Noisrevbus

        While i like your overall assessment, one oversight is pretty interesting:

        You say that things progress as characters grow older and richer.

        EVE was not a game designed like that.

        I don't disagree with you that so has become the case – but it's sheds interesting light on some of the problems we deal with here in this article. EVE was meant to be a hardcore game with resource outlets. Supers are an interesting paradox in how they represent both one of those few remaining outlets and at the same time is the poster child for the outlets being broken.

        Funny, isn't it?

        March 7, 2013 at 12:53 am Reply
  10. TestgruntBUNT

    "Li3 Federation, recent TEST to Goon, rags to bitches converts having lost the miniscule pvp force that they might of had in Querious are more or less a non factor."


    March 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm Reply
  11. Selina

    I really don't want to sound like I'm for either side, as I'm not (could really care less tbh as to who wins or who loses this war) but good god. Even though I can actually agree with some of the OP's opinions on certain alliances, I still have to say that if you want to be a credible "news" source, could you at least attempt to appear objective? I think I'd have to tag this as the most biased article yet-to-date I've read on EN24.

    March 4, 2013 at 11:46 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I'm not with either side myself. Why does it seem bias? In favor of who? Honestly curious.

      March 4, 2013 at 11:55 pm Reply
      1. wannano


        March 5, 2013 at 2:24 am Reply
      2. Arnel Tophat

        "Why does it seem bias? In favor of who? Honestly curious." Wow…reading is fundamental.

        March 7, 2013 at 7:44 am Reply
  12. The_Oracle86

    It would be nice for CFC to enter this fight. If CFC entered this fight maybe HBC might enter it as well and we all get this massive war we've all been wanting. But as much as i hope for it, it's almost certain it wont happen, and thus another decent CFC ally gets seperated and killed off.

    March 5, 2013 at 12:18 am Reply
  13. BlueBlockFaggots

    As I guessed more shit talk, N3 this, PL that, HBC can do this, and Solar should have done that.

    Listen to yourselfs, your ALL faggots, coz you need a BLUE List as long as my Igbo cock to do anything.
    PL are as bad as CFC imho. Shadoo is so clever and will tell CCP how bad the mechanics are.

    Simple stop Block Cocking each other and all fucking resets all round. Oh no cant do that in case he brings a few more dudes.

    ShapBLUE do some voodoo and take in Solar super dominated corps, we know what you are dreaming about when ever you go to bed.

    March 5, 2013 at 12:52 am Reply
    1. lol

      You do realize PL held goon hands for their entire existence and still holds their hands?

      March 5, 2013 at 3:06 am Reply
      1. who cares

        thats why PL tried to take out vfk and failed big time… i hate goons and hbc and pl etc but PL is shit nothing like they used to be and no longer can do anything by themselves

        March 15, 2013 at 1:19 am Reply
  14. N3 FC

    This article is beyond retarded.

    Solar Fleet, while an incredible russian alliance and by far the best this game has seen, is highly outmatched and outclassed in every measure. Their particular timezone is the only reason they weren't rolled over in a few weeks. Fighting during 1130-1530 is not easy for most alliances.

    Red Alliance is not N3, period. We fight with them vs Solar because they aren't massive arrogant dicks anymore, unlike MACTEP. They certainly aren't elite pvp but they have put in a lot more work into taking Scalding Pass, Insmother, and Cache than anyone else. 4 months of daily timers(hundreds), structure grinding and trying not to get raped by solar fleet's superior forces.

    N3 merely offers support when it is known that Solar will form for a timer. We usually form ahac fleets and have a small skirmish with solar while RA acheives the objective in system, before Solar runs away. It's happened 3-4 times every week for the last 4 months. We get all the credit because we show up with shiny ships at times and rape a Solar Fleet cap/super fleet. Gorga has clearly stated that N3 doesn't intend to remove Solar fleet from nullsec, but to take away their ability to backstab people (like they did to NC and RA) and take away their renter/pet base for ourselves.

    So this "pincer movement" bullshit is retarded. There is splitting up involved but that's just to do the grinding faster. Nulli and SCRAP have taken etherium reach by themselves while NC. has taken Kalevala Expense. Any Solar JF that wants to get to empire will never have an issue, it might be longer and involve smarter pilots, but face in, rutz is easy to get around.

    Black Legion ?????? WTF ???

    PL burns whoever they want. And right now that means solar pets for bad talking them.

    so much random crap being spouted off online. get lives and kill spaceships, quit posting like it meant anything.

    March 5, 2013 at 1:18 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Wow you're an angry little dude aren't you. Let me explain it to you since I guess that many words confuse you.

      1. Nobody said anything different about Solar. So i'm not sure what you are getting all upset about.

      2. Nobody said RA is in N3, period.

      3. Not sure what "N3 merely offers etc…" paragraph has anything to do with anything.

      4. What is "retarded" about pincer movement. That's what it's called.

      5. Black Legion was mentioned concerning a past article. Memory implants ftw.

      6. "so much random crap being spouted off online. get lives and kill spaceships, quit posting like it meant anything." Advice for you to take.

      March 5, 2013 at 1:51 am Reply
      1. N3 grunt

        Hey dumbass maybe you should learn how to read instead of correcting people. The Original Article stated that RA was in N3.

        March 7, 2013 at 3:20 am Reply
    2. Geth

      Um, "backstab people"? NCdot/PL invaded SOLAR under a contract with xDeath, although the contract is long over, the war is still going on. And that Red Alliance intervened in a civil war, suddenly dropping standings with Solar. I remind you that SOLAR warned xDeath about reset for the day before. Well, let's talk about the "backstab"?
      I have a feeling that the N3 grunts only remember what happened in the last month.

      March 5, 2013 at 1:51 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        The war is wrapping up.

        SOLAR should have helped IRC+Dotbros.

        I dont forget that we attacked SOLAR but we had a deal with PL to protect there moons, we also got contracted and SOLAR not being the carbears I thought would have realized it wasn`t personal.

        But then they made the idiotic mistake of siding with GSF, and even if it wasn`t personal [which it was] was massively retarded.

        So if you remember so well, yo should remember IRC was left to die by you guys. They could have not stopped flying with us in DOTBROS and done real dmg against you but they wouldnt "Backstab" you.

        Then after defending your ass for 4 years vs NC and honestly beating the odds everytime, you allow RZR to take them out and then take there SOV as well i nan attept to dick suck Rzr so they will help vs NCDOT/N3.

        I respect the fighters in SOLAR, they are very good. But Mactep has ruined them.
        I have a memory.

        March 5, 2013 at 3:18 am Reply
        1. hypocrisy

          So essentially when NC. attacks Solar it's 'nothing personal' and Solar should suck it up and not do anything. Yet when NC. proclames the war is over but Solar doesn't agree to this and continues fighting then they're 'taking it personally' and being bads. Hypocrisy much?

          March 5, 2013 at 10:29 am Reply
          1. Born

            Solar lost all objectives ncdot fought for in geminate. Solar were not seen for a month or two until they started a second front against dotbros out of opportunist greedyness for tech.
            Nobodies saying its not personal as far as ncdot is concerned.
            It's even been stated that if solar had not helped cfc out in dotbros war and been Jews ncdot would not be pushing there shit in and making Mactep, the stubborn fool pay for his mistakes now.
            Hypocrisy your words would make sence if ncdot said that it wasn't personal, unfortunately your comment is counter productive, Ie meaningless to reality.

            March 5, 2013 at 11:26 am
          2. Lionel_Joeseph

            So we all agree that in EVE everyone screws everyone else at one time or another. No one is innocent and the rest is just fluff as an excuse to expand empires and get good fights.

            March 5, 2013 at 4:59 pm
          3. BntyHunter

            Sorry its not hypocrisy at all, but facts.

            NC. was contracted, that means nothing personal….Fact.

            When SOLAR chose to support CFC and attack NCDOT it was a stupid move….Fact

            When it was pointed out as Mactep being stupid the SOLAR reaction was "YOU STARTED IT"
            That is emo response…Fact

            NC. didnt take it personally and its not the reason they fight them now….Fact

            So like I said even thogh it was personal for SOLAR to attack, NC. didnt get butthurt. Also it was very stupid, they made enemies other than NCDOT, and then the others like RA realized they could buddy up with NC. and surprise surprise the CFC whom they fought for did what? Sent 50 caracals…

            Yep it was by far smartest move ever. Lol

            March 6, 2013 at 4:07 am
          4. Thodoros

            I dont understand why you keep say CFC in regard with Solar.
            It was Razor's decision alone to come here in the first place and FA came along.
            CFC has nothing to do with us coming here.

            March 6, 2013 at 5:54 pm
          5. EVE

            What a moron. You don't know anything about history and you actually think anyone in EvE cares about Fazor.

            March 7, 2013 at 6:51 am
          6. Fiberton

            My friend it would be great if it was the truth. Sadly this is not so.

            March 8, 2013 at 10:28 am
          7. Washi Meisei

            Thod…. FAZOR is CFC. No matter how you slice it. You guys along with everyone else in CFC has painted a big target to shoot on your own backs. Next to -A- (who is now gone, and Solar) NOBODY in EVE would pass up a chance to shoot CFC in the face.
            Just like everyone is shooting FAZOR in the face in GW. The only way FAZOR undocks for a fight now is if they can get 5 to 1 odds, and/or 30 to 50 logi.
            Anything short of 5 to 1 odds FAZOR just like their parent looses badly. And since you guys are loosing badly, your moral is low, and everyone wants to cut the silly deployment short.
            You also don't understand that Mactep 'made his bed', now he has to sleep in it. His pet alliances have folded. Solar have won battles here and there, but they have lost more, and will continue to loose more. Its all a matter of time when ones in solar remove Mactep, or Solar is defeated.

            March 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm
          8. Shadow_McGregor

            NC. might have not taken it personal but when you piled on into the blob that was attacking Solar and then took some of their holdings in Gemi they took it personal. Solar and Co. couldn't beat your Dot Bros. so they took advantage of a situation. Enemy of my Enemy is my friend. This was a smart decision but it had consequences (Current War). But make no mistake they are definitely going to take is personal again.

            March 7, 2013 at 9:57 am
          9. BntyHunter

            Sorry to say but this time, I dont think them taking it personal will matter.

            Anyway you cut it IMO Mactep should have sided with DOTBROS.

            Knowing mittensand being not stupid one has to assume you being his neighbor and not a pet you will eventually become "Expansion space".

            Next Knowing the Xdeath your mortal enemy [way more than NCDOT] is pets for Mittens whom the DOTBROS are fighting makes perfect sense why you should join DOTBROS.

            The only smart way could have been if he thought CFC was not just going to beat NCDOT but beat them so bad they would break up or wither away.

            Since he joined after DOTBROS already was doing amazing, this wasnt the case.

            So IMO he went for revenge and in that let IRC die, threw away a chance for NCDOT/BL/Nulli to truly value his help and become his "Pitbull buddies" and in doing so, he helped have them become enemies and sided with the faction [CFC] who secretly wants him to fail so they can have more SOV and or take SOLAR players in the famous Goon recruit program.

            Please tell me an advantage to what he did from a nuetral perspective?

            IMHO SOLAR would be leading N3 now banging on Vale`s doors and have done so well with BL+401k jumping in that TEST finally would have come.

            When all dust settled Mactep would/could have been similar in power to Mittens, instead he is a sinking ship captain.

            March 9, 2013 at 9:34 am
          10. Highsec Perspective

            From a neutral perspective, I'd say the obvious: hindsight is 20/20. Having the advantage of knowing the outcome of certain decisions up until now makes it easy to criticize those past decisions. We don't know the future, who knows, a year down the road, N3 destroying the DRC might end up as one of the main causes of N3's own potential destruction (influx of too many scrub alliances/players that reduce N3's overall quality, cause new drama/infighting etc.). People will then say that – what made total sense now (killing off SOLAR) – was a bad idea in the future.

            MACTEP is not stupid or naive enough to believe he can become friends with the CFC/XDeath. Based on what I've been able to glean from both sides' perspective (again, I wasn't there, so my perspective is somewhat limited), I think, the choice as it stood was (based on those intelligence conditions, not what we know now):

            1. Join CFC, destroy NC. Gain for SOLAR is minimal (they get what, maybe one region?). Risk: SOLAR now borders CFC, CFC can't be trusted, CFC will eventually attack. Outcome: Bad.
            2. Join NC., attack CFC. Reward potential is extremely high, taking the north, becoming super-powerful. Risk: Extremely unlikely to happen. Even if it does work, NC. might not be trustworthy given recent history–>post-victory infighting/backstabbing. Also, stresses of overexpansion, how does SOLAR fill/defend all that space. The more probable outcome is that, CFC rolls over NC., then proceeds to quickly roll over SOLARCO. Outcome: Extremely Likely Death.
            3. Be Neutral. Reward potential is harder to determine here, but it's very close to zero. The only main reward I could see coming from this is maybe, an improvement in relations with NC.? But again, this all depends on what kind of relationship SOLAR had with NC. at the time, if they really hated each other, then reconciliation is not likely, otherwise it may have been (I can't make that call because I wasn't there). Risk: CFC defeats NC. SOLAR now borders CFC, CFC can't be trusted, CFC will eventually attack. Outcome: (Very?) Bad.

            Choice #2 is definitely the worst choice. EVE is a game of intelligent risk-taking (not complete risk avoidance or full retardedness!), and when the risks so heavily outweigh the potential rewards, it's a stupid/pointless idea to try. The advantage in risk between #1 and #3 over #2 is that, at least with #1/3, CFC defeating/destroying NC., CFC will wait a little bit before going after SOLARCO (or at least, maybe that's what SOLARCO was counting on/hoping for?). SOLARCO may have thought (rightly or wrongly) that in the time they could have, they might be able to build up their strength and be able to take on the CFC.

            Again, a lot of these "coulds" "hopes" and "mights" were based on assumptions/positions that relied on the imperfect information SOLARCO had at the time (they made the best decision they could), so we shouldn't be too hasty/rash in judging them as stupid given we know much better now.

            Choice #1 and #3 are pretty close, I think what ultimately led SOLARCO into choosing #1 was:

            1. The likely reward was higher in #1 vs. #3. The key here is that, SOLAR seems to have made the judgment that relations between SOLAR and NC. could not be repaired, so the benefit of #3 was basically nil. With #1, you at least get some space/a region/pvp experience for your allies etc. Personally, if I thought that relations with NC. could be repaired, I probably would have gone for #3, being neutral. That way, when CFC inevitably attacks, you might get a powerful ally on your side (plus maybe Nulli, BL etc.).
            2. Risks are the same. CFC will inevitably attack SOLARCO regardless of #1 or 3.

            TL;DR: SOLARCO decided to attack NC., take advantage of an opportunity because they thought they could weather the future CFC storm with time and didn't think that NC. could be reconciled with/trusted. Under those imperfect intelligence conditions, SOLARCO made a sensible decision. Not everything works out the way you plan though, no one can predict the future brah.

            March 10, 2013 at 4:43 am
          11. BntyHunter

            Good analysis, except you are confusing a lot of things TBh that are simple truths.

            It was very obvious in DOT wars vs CFC that all DOtbros needed were more numbers.

            You are acting like SOLAR decided to back CFC in the very begining before anyone could see how the sides did, this is incorrect.

            Before it looked like CF Cwas going to steamroll us, then what happend? We inflicted 4:1 kills upon them while being outnumbered 4:1.

            At the 2 week mark CFC fleets shrunk by 30%, with GSF participation from 80 per fleet to 20-30.

            It wasn`t a "Blind risk" and TBH your "Extremely risky assessment is way off as well. Remember SOLAR by now has lost 1/2 its true numbers and back then if I would have put odds on a Fight I would have said CFC only had little odds of truly beating SOLAR alone.

            5k DOTBROS members were enough to beat CFC in Normal fights but not enough to beat them on Timers. Basically each member of the Bros brought 100 players.

            So each fleet was around 250 vs 450-500. But during form ups Dot still only had 250 while CFC had 6-800. It was perfectly clear to all that had eyes, that Dotbros could handle safely 2.5:1 on the field but much more and we couldnt kill them fast enough to clear them from field before a Timer was taken out.

            SOLAR knew this. Now SOlar is putting up 280 man fleets on the norm andif they could have done that back then would have ASSUREDLY beat CFC . No question.

            250 SOLAR would have also been very easy because they had 2x the numbers back then.
            So 250 Dot+250 SOLAR is 500 Soldiers and there is no way CFC provides 1500 guys on the regular, hell they couldnt get 1500 guys in the biggest battle in years in Asa.

            While I love how you reason, your input is wrong and so you get a faulty prediction from the start.

            SOLAR and CFC would have been a decent fight with CFC winning by attrition. SOLAR+ any other 3rd party would have tipped the scales, hell SB+Provi and I`d bet on them, throw in Dotbros and its good night baby.

            Also its clear to anyone with a brain and always has been that there ARE HUGE NUMBERS OF GOON HATERS, look at Asa, there was room for every 3rd party to come and shoot both sides, and instead they all temp blue`d to kill CFC.

            The Second, Solar would have declared war with CFC, and declared DOTBROS allies, AAA would have joined to regain honor and not stagnate, they also would have had eyes on Tec. Basically all of Darkness of Despair would be with them.

            All of Whyso+Gypsies etc who broke off Solar would have stayed, IRC would still be alive and added 150-200 dudes to fleets because they want in and want Tec
            All the sudden you realise this is what people have waited for, a Group who had a real shot.

            It was very simple. Mactep made an emotional decision to get back NCDOT, which is fine thats up to him. That doesnt make it any less stupid.

            It wasnt that they couldnt trust NC. or that they had imperfect intel, it was simple they thought they could finish NC. once and for all, but that was so very stupid. Using history groups like NC. will fail on there own but never by outsiders. They get stronger when pressed. And dont need SOV.

            Also I think people who just look at CFC and havent fought them really give them more credit about them as a "war machine", if you want to see a group that is very hard to beat look at SOLAR. They never seem to str8 up give up. CFC started to just spin there wheels for 2 weeks and lost 30% of fleet numbers.

            CFC is purely a drama/emo driven militia who gets easily encouraged or discouraged and thats why they only pick opponents who they see as weak or failing, they know they dont have the ability to wage long term war. SOLAR would have been the bane of there existence and gotten stronger as they fought were as CFC only weakened.

            There is no real world where SOLAR and DOTBROS dont beat CFC and take the north.

            Also listing "How to fill all the space" after winning is not a problem, and if so its a rich persons problem. SOLAR would have owned at least 1/2 the Tech.

            Lastly the fact that SOLAR couldnt trust us means little. The reason why SOLAR lost a HUGE section of there fighters like Gypsies, Ink, Whyso etc is because they sided with Goons.

            DOTBROS alone probably couldnt have taken SOLAR by themselves if Solar had most of NCC as well. But they chose CFc and it weakened them in a huge way.

            March 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm
          12. Highsec Perspective

            "While I love how you reason, your input is wrong and so you get a faulty prediction from the start."

            This is true, you were there, so I should probably defer to you, however, to be fair, you don't exactly have a stellar reputation for objectivity BntyHunter :D, would be nice to get an alternate perspective . Also, nice to know I have a fan, yay :)!

            You seem to dispute the fighting ability of the CFC, and hence, the risk assessment of choice #2. You paint a picture where two weeks into the war, DOTBROS were roflstomping the CFC. My question is what changed after those two weeks/whenever you started losing the fight that led you to losing? Were you simply not fighting the CFC at their full strength – after all, 20-30 dudes from an alliance of 10,000 is pathetic! – and they (the CFC) only became committed after getting their nose a bit bloodied? After all, a coalition of 20,000-30,000 players should be able to put up fleets of 1000-1500 without much difficulty – IIRC, Goons did just that last time they fought off PL in the north (as for Asakai, that happened real fast, maybe not enough time to organize 1500 d00ders). Some have said that once BL left, things turned bad for DOTBROS, but I find this hard to believe since BL is a small alliance of 800 (or what, 600 at the time?), losing 10-15% of your manpower is not critical. So, what happened, how did DOTBROS get "hell-camped" (or w/e it's called) out of the war?

            I ask because, it could be that SOLAR was just exercising reasonable precaution, knowing the immense potential strength of the CFC, they wanted to wait a little to see how the CFC reacts/mobilizes before getting involved in the war to start all nullsec wars :P. If that's the case, that's pretty sensible, rarely should you ever just rush into battle without knowing the full capabilities of your enemy.

            One of my concerns though is that, if SOLAR convinced AAA to join the fight against CFC, then HBC almost certainly would've attacked AAA/SOCO. It's hard to pick who would win there DOTBROS+SOLARCO+SOCO vs. CFC/HBC. It could be that, SOLARCO was counting on NC. being defeated (not destroyed, contra to what you say, I think SOLAR knows a group as tight as NC. doesn't die from external causes and didn't think they could destroy them), buying itself some time to build-up and then fight HBC/CFC with SOCO while expecting the defeated DOTBROS to inevitably side with them in that war (hoping that DOTBROS hate CFC/HBC more than SOLARCO). The advantage of this over your scenario (joining DOTBROS right away) is that it gave SOLARCO extra time to develop their coalition strength (and they would likely have gotten DOTBROS assistance anyways later on). But even this is a tough decision as: do you attack NC., gain a region for your coalition or do you benefit more from being neutral, letting NC. fight and buy your coalition more time?

            Another factor may have been SOLARCO's uncertainty over where PL would side; if the sov war got serious and threatened PL, PL might side with CFC and tip the scales against DOTBROS/SOLARCO?

            Going over all the possible lines of reasoning, I can't help but feel sorry for the people that had to make these decisions, with all the uncertainties at that time, nearly any decision could have backfired and each decision had its own sensible advantages/disadvantages. So the only thing I can't call SOLAR's decision is a "stupid" one (i.e. didn't make sense), because I think I understand the reasoning behind it that made it sensible (I disagree with you in that I don't think it was emotion-based) with all the unknowns/uncertainties of that time. In the end, I'd call it a "difficult, but sensible, non-ambitious/cautious decision." They probably tried to play the long-game (making the decision that would benefit in the long-run), but it backfired. What's certain is that it wasn't the coolest/most ambitious decision they could have made; they could have made more of their circumstances (i.e. talking to AAA into attacking CFC), and especially once they saw their allies Gypsy commit to the fight against the CFC, I believe that SOLARCO should've recognized that they had the potential to tip the scales and destroy the CFC. It would've been a close, risky fight, but hey, that's what would have made it (and makes this game) awesome.

            March 11, 2013 at 5:49 am
        2. U know who

          Bnty , you realize not many buy the "siding with CFC" propaganda. It's getting long in the tooth, especially considering Nulli was pushed out of Delve by the very same folks they are flying with. If Solar had helped DOTBros, some other reason would have been manufactured much like the way Nulii rationalized bailing and then turning upon -A-, the very alliance that deployed to help them against PL, Test and the CFC.

          You're invading Solar because:

          1) You can … as long as PL is on the other end of the bat phone.
          2). Goons have consistently shown a propensity to sit back and watch their "friends" get rolled, picking at their bones in the aftermath…one thing that can be counted on..is goons can't be counted upon.
          3). when tech gets nerfed, rental income will continue.

          March 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            You say SOLAR and CFC wernt Allies yet state a reason for this happening is

            "Goons have consistently shown a propensity to sit back and watch their "friends" get rolled, picking at their bones in the aftermath…one thing that can be counted on..is goons can't be counted upon. "

            March 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm
          2. U know who

            No I'm saying rationalizing the invasion as some sort of moral vendetta is horseshit. Especially considering the N3 is lead by Nulli an alliance that fucked over -A- after they deployed to help them in Delve. RA tagging along after -A- not only stopped curb stomping their space, but GAVE them a home just discredits the propaganda further.

            So your inference that this could have been avoided if only Solar sided with you is, well… far fetched at best.

            March 10, 2013 at 6:15 pm
          3. BntyHunter

            You think if SOLAR sided with NCDOT that Nulli would have not helped SOLAR attack CFC?

            Tech makes strange friends. TBH RA only sided with us because of SOLAR, there is no RA in this outcome if SOLAR sides with DOTBROS [not N3]

            If SOLAR sidedwith DOTBROS BL+Nulli+401k+NCDOT+SOLAR+Gypsies+Whyso+Ink would all be in Tech land.

            Im not saying NCDOT is back for a reckoning, we are fighting to fight, and would be doing so no matter what, it just helps that SOLAR and us were fighting before.

            My point is, if SOLAR had helped us, they never would have lost all thegroups who lost respect for them for siding with CFC. Since SOlar/N3 war SOLAr has lost 1/2 its guys, and not because PL or us but because they lost respect.

            Also the fact you think we wouldnt be fighting SOLAR if PL wasn`t here is making you look a little less credible.

            You seem very well reasoned except for that. We fought SOLAR before PL was here.

            Point is NCDOT usually becomes very good friends by having a common enemy first and having a buddy like SOLAR face that enemy and beat the odds. In no world would SOLAR have helped NCDOT would NCDOT have sided then with RA….I mean think about it, A lt of us still wish to be with SOLAR, now add the fact that we would have been saved in a way by SOLAR and then add the fact we would have stomped out our long time rivals…No bond would have been stronger.

            Would have made a great team.

            Also you think if SOLAR would have helped Nulli would have chose RA over SOLAR? Lol

            March 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm
          4. Highsec Perspective

            "Point is NCDOT usually becomes very good friends by having a common enemy first and having a buddy like SOLAR face that enemy and beat the odds. In no world would SOLAR have helped NCDOT would NCDOT have sided then with RA….I mean think about it, A lt of us still wish to be with SOLAR, now add the fact that we would have been saved in a way by SOLAR and then add the fact we would have stomped out our long time rivals…No bond would have been stronger. "

            ^^Like this, would have been very cool! NC. + PL + SOLAR would actually be kinda scary!

            March 11, 2013 at 12:50 am
          5. U know who

            I guess I either misspoke or was misunderstood. I didn't mean to infer you wouldn't be fighting Solar without PL, but having that massive SuperCap fleet on your side accomplishes two things it makes it inherently safer to deploy your supers and considerably more risky for solar to deploy theirs. This enables things like slow cats to be a viable doctrine for those with super superiority.

            So while you may be fighting Without Pl it would be much more of a grind and success less probable.

            NCdot and PL excluded, the N3 primarily consists of alliances that have already shown a propensity to cut, run and eventually flip. We can argue about the justification all day, but the fact that it happened can't be debated.

            March 11, 2013 at 2:08 am
      2. Fiberton

        Friend. When Legion and Solar were fighting we did not get involved. Solar sided with -A- and RA was given an Ultimatum to either stab Legion in the face or Die fighting along side Legion. Legion = Great Allie Solar= Terrible Allie.
        What would you do ? Take the puss way out and stab your best friend in the back or fight with your brother shoulder to shoulder ? RA decided to do the right thing….By Fire we are tested and the flames are our teachers.

        March 8, 2013 at 10:09 am Reply
        1. U know who

          RA are literally the welfare moms of EVE. You should really shut the fuck up whilst your mouth is packed with N3 government cheese.

          After the DRF war, you only continued to exist because -A- stopped curb stomping your space. Remeber, you fucked over -A- at the beginning of that war when you sided with WN cause they seemed to be winning. Why they didn't finish you off will always be a mystery to me.

          Friends and foes alike seem to agree on one thing RA is a shitty, sleazy, spineless alliance that can't be trusted.

          March 10, 2013 at 4:01 pm Reply
    3. Crow Sword

      Solar backstabbing NC and RA? The perfect example of what is said when propaganda replaces all the little brains one had.

      March 6, 2013 at 11:20 am Reply
  15. eve pilot

    this is why CFC will fully deploy against N3 sooner rather than later mittani will tell shadoo to pack up and leave this campaign and shadoo will comply or risk loseing their valueble tech moons.the CFC will now see N3 as it biggest threat to their soverignty and security and the big blob will make its apprearence.test will sit on the sidelines and watch as like CFC N3 if not already but soon will be considered as another pretender to the throne for a considerble portion of 0.0.

    March 5, 2013 at 3:16 am Reply
    1. Born

      If HBC so on the side line, that basically means that when, and it will eventually happen, that HBC and cfc war against each other, HBC would not have the support of N3 if CFC blobbed them with solar now.

      Wich means monty will support N3 if CFC attacks them, PL/HBC would use this as a catalyst to put cfc immediately on the back foot. HBC/N3's futures are Aligned for the distruction of cfc. Monty/shadoo/Vince knows this. And you don't already think they have a plan?

      Mittens knows this which is why he is only showing partial support with a few of his retarded alliances. Wich does not subject cfc to full retaliation. Mittens is scared shitless that his incompitant scrubs will welp all there space if invaded by a force equal in numbers but far greater in stature/skill. Would be the end of his rmt/botting empire, so for now he will bide his time and try to defect alliances.

      March 5, 2013 at 6:54 am Reply
      1. eve pilot

        the biggest mistake the HBC can do is is allow N3 growing room as once CFC was taken care of they would go after what N3 would see as the bloated HBC. pandemic legion would turn traitor and side with N3 and a new more arrogant power would rise in 0.0. and the only constant would be the traitorous pandemic legion changing sides to save its skin and its tech moons.if the HBC is smart it allows the CFC to get in a full scale war with N3 and wear itself out trying to destroy them then stiking when it was war weary.

        March 5, 2013 at 1:49 pm Reply
        1. Born

          Wishful thinking, dry very unlikely that N3 will go to war against N3 until cfc is gone. It's an enemy everyone has they are aligned upon the same path, they will fight each other wich is how eve should be, but not until cfc is gone.
          Cfc scrubs may want HBC to turn on N3 so cfc can carry on bearing rmt/botting in peace. HBC would be shooting its self in the foot if they did that. And you really think the quality within N3 even if defeated would not come back to holding them. It would seal hbcs fate sooner or later if they defected on N3.

          Fact of the matter is NCdot you can take there word as truth unless you piss them or there allies off then it will give the. A reason to retaliate, apart from that as long as they are aligned to the same purpose cfc shall fall.
          Many cfc scrubs shitting there pants, especially after proving how weak they are after the 4 and a half war cfc/solar bloc fought against Dotbros, was pathetic.

          March 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm Reply
          1. Born

            Wishful thinking, very unlikely HBC will go to war against N3 I meant, mixture between damn predict txt and derp lol.

            March 5, 2013 at 2:05 pm
        2. Fiberton

          LOL. Your troll is obvious and stupid. Try harder.

          March 8, 2013 at 10:35 am Reply
  16. Humble_miner

    When N3 moved to Impass, the structure grinding almost killed the alliance. Some decent corps left for the lack of PvP and blue-only within 30 jumps. First and foremost, the SOLAR war is against boredom.

    March 5, 2013 at 3:38 am Reply
    1. lol

      Not true…

      March 5, 2013 at 11:23 am Reply
  17. tash


    March 5, 2013 at 6:34 am Reply
  18. VooDoo

    My dads bigger than your dad
    Oh yea! well….your mom

    March 5, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
  19. ex-nulli

    Fat3 become the same shit as other coalition cfc or hbc

    March 5, 2013 at 8:00 am Reply

    A few things my limited time in eve have taught me:

    – 1 fc's BLOB is anothers viable tactic.
    – No-one is allowed to have allies, or to call on them, ever. Because everyone else will accuse them of being pets if one of those allies happens to be a big and established
    – Never mention an fc you think is good as 99% of the rest of eve will say he sucks. Even if he doesnt.
    – Any EVE related forum is always filled with trolls who claim to be a member of an alliance/coalition, hence 99% of whats on said forums is utter turd.
    – If anyone has a good supply of ISK, it MUST be RMT or botting, as theres clearly no in-game mechanics to make ISK for legit players.

    Consider this forum summarised. I thank you.

    March 5, 2013 at 8:53 am Reply
    1. Fiberton

      – If anyone has a good supply of ISK, it MUST be RMT or botting, as there's clearly no in-game mechanics to make ISK for legit players. "Especially if your main part of your Alliance does not speak ENGLISH very well. " Because non English speakers surely can not make isk the legit way. .. drum roll

      March 8, 2013 at 10:40 am Reply
  21. fazor rule

    Confirming that fazor have mounted a total of 4 fleets to attempt to help solar. Ofc now that N3 have by passed us and gone north we now look forward to killing random neuts 1 by 1 in E02 whoop di dooo ship spinning is fun.

    March 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm Reply
  22. DeathEngine

    Ya NC., you should feel slightly uncomforable about becoming PL pets.

    Your original style of play – one of nomadic PvPers is one I and many other pure PvPers, could respect. Taking on Goons et al in Delve – likewise – v cool.
    As soon as you compromise that by seeking allies, assets and a political status, u begin to lose my respect and it seems the respect of many others.
    I had hoped you might take on the larger alliances/Corps overtime – eg, PL – I would hazard that you are capable of causing them serious trouble but you cannot do this when you are worried about assets. However, that ideal seems like too great a vision to share – much easier to follow the crowd, eh? Especially when it seems that greed and vanity can infect even the once "noble, " so easily.

    March 6, 2013 at 9:43 am Reply
  23. XaindeSleena

    PL are the true enemy. Keep an eye on them. They feed on super kills and if your alliance has some of those you are a target. This war is not about fighting Solar but about PL gathering intel on how each alliance deploys their prized ships. It won't be too long and PL will turn on you when you least expect and who will be backing them up? Oh something awful I said my bad.

    March 6, 2013 at 11:50 am Reply
    1. pl member

      this is the comment that gets upvoted


      en24 everybody

      March 7, 2013 at 12:26 pm Reply
    2. pl overrated

      FYI PL is nothing without a massive meatshield army backing them… they cant compete against anyone without hbc or n3 help… PL has tons of supers but so do the rest of eve lol

      March 15, 2013 at 1:02 am Reply
  24. 1337bittervet

    Do you even nullsec bro?

    March 6, 2013 at 10:57 pm Reply
  25. Highsec Perspective

    One thing that I think this article gets wrong is the idea that if/when SOLAR loses their space, there will be some sort of failcascade migration of Russian corps into RA. My thoughts on this are: 1. judging by the sentiment expressed by just about every SOLAR player I've ever seen, they have an absolutely seething hatred towards RA, so I highly doubt any would jump ship to such a despised enemy and 2. look at SOLARs corp history, they have had only 2-3 reasonable sized corps leave them in 4/5 years (!!!), they have probably the strongest intra-group loyalty of any large alliance out there (also helps being united by nationality), so again, highly unlikely we'll see many jump ship. And I guess number 3 would be, sure SOLAR want to keep their space, but they are hardly dependent on having sovereignty for their own survival. In their four years in the drone regions, they have made more than enough money to survive a few months or a year+ without any sov. whatsoever.

    Depending on how territorial SOLAR are, my feeling is that they will either stick it out in drone regions, guerilla warfare, low-scale roaming, waiting for the inevitable CFC attack on N3 and then take advantage, try to take their space back OR they will relocate to fresh hunting grounds with their RUS bros in Stain and maybe start a new coalition with DoD, Coven, Stain Empire, AAA, BL and Pizza etc. Personally hope for the latter.

    Another option I've been considering lately is N3 dumping RA for SOLAR joining the N3 in exchange for transferring a few regions of sov. Honestly, I think this would be a genius move on their part. Firstly, SOLAR on their own could probably dunk the hell out of their Russian enemies RA+Darkspawn, aka SOLAR would be a much more powerful alliance partner/member than having RA/Darkspawn around. Secondly, RA seems to be a liability to the N3 because N3 pilots have repeatedly expressed derogatory attitudes towards RA, RA has heard this, and when CFC or HBC attack N3, they will probably backstab N3 out of revenge. Some say that SOLAR are untrustworthy because of MACTEP's political decisions lately, but I'd say judging from N3 pilots' views of RA, RA pose at least the same risk, if not more of backstabbing N3 compared to SOLAR. Also, RA used to be bros with CFC/Goons and Legion of Death whereas SOLAR has never been particularly close to CFC/Goons (even now, in spite of what others have said because CFC love Legion of Death and SOLAR despise those guys as much as RA), so perhaps another reason for RA backstabbing N3 for CFC?

    So far, this conflict doesn't seem to have engendered any extra hate between the sides – it may have even renewed the respect NC. and SOLAR have for each other as pvpers – so without hate, reconciliation is always a possibility. All you would need now is a rational motivation to do so. The rational motivation behind adding SOLAR to N3 would be: trading in grinding 4 regions (SOLARs) to grinding 2 regions (RA's/Darkspawn) (save time, allow N3 to build-up in drone regions, consolidate their membership base, increase coalition wallet etc. for inevitable attack on CFC), exchange a weaker ally (RA/Darkspawn) for a much stronger ally (SOLAR+partners?: 200-300 very, very solid, active pvpers, buttload of ISK, shit-ton of supers).

    The major issue for me is, what do you do with the english members of RA's mini-coalition, Whyso etc.? Can they be reconciled with SOLAR?

    March 8, 2013 at 6:17 am Reply
    1. Highsec Perspective

      Forgot to add to the end of the first paragraph: So losing sovereignty will hardly be a catastrophic death blow for SOLAR members, they've made their ISK, had their fun, they can move on.

      Also TL;DR: SOLAR ain't failcascading anytime soon, Russian radioactive l33t pvp cockroaches is what they are. They might stay after war, or might join RUS bros in Stain=new coalition? N3 should dump RA for SOLAR as new bros, much vaginas and glory will follow for N3 :P.

      March 8, 2013 at 6:22 am Reply
      1. Thodoros

        Stop be so much smart and give them ideas of what to do and what is right dude.
        Do i need to remind you again that this is EN24?
        Solar will not die thats for sure and they will take back their space.
        Remember that.

        March 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm Reply
    2. Fiberton

      Would be believable to me if no solar have talked with me :). I talk with many Russians on the other side of the line and there are some that are butt hurt but this is not all my friend. When one opens their arms again to their Brat Ya, all is well. One can not be mad forever.

      March 8, 2013 at 10:02 am Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        " One can not be mad forever."

        Lol, Russians can :P. Russian epic grudges for the win! šŸ˜€

        March 10, 2013 at 3:25 am Reply
    3. U know who

      The biggest problem N3 faces is all the less resilient alliances have already flipped to their side. Therefore, they have already reached critical mass to some extent and this is a good as it will get. Grinding down alliances like -A- and Solar only serves to created a larger, consolidated group of players with an axe to grind.

      March 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        I do wonder, if SOLAR decides to leave drone space and joins RUS bros in Stain with DD, Stain Empire, Coven, AAA, BL, PIZZA, No value. etc. forming a new coalition, will that new coalition have a hostile relationship with N3 as well? SOLAR probably doesn't like N3 much right now and DD/AAA (and perhaps BL?) don't quite like PL – which often works together with N3.

        I ask this because, rumors abound that N3 and HBC will try to team up and destroy CFC. Well, if that's the case, the proposed Stain coalition won't simply allow N3 and HBC to become the dominant powers in EVE, not to mention Stain coalition totally hates HBC; so what I envision – and it really is unfortunate – is that if HBC and N3 team up to destroy CFC, Stain Coalition will probably then attack HBC from the rear and then be accused as being CFC pets (which is crazy nuts!). I'd rather N3 be with Stain coalition and destroy HBC/CFC together.

        A lot seems to depend on what PL decides to do in the future, since they seem to have somehow become connected with three of the four main coalitions in the game: HBC, CFC, and N3. Heh, PL, the coalition whores, sleeping with everyone these days :P.

        March 10, 2013 at 11:00 pm Reply
        1. U know who

          That's a lot of tinfoil bro…

          shadoo's golden goose lives on mittens farm. Until tech is nerfed Pl is unlikely to put their moons at risk with the CFC.

          Vince (NCDOT) will align with whatever Shadoo wants to do. so will Monti, albeit reluctantly since the HBC without PL supers and more importantly FC's isn't much of a fighting force. N3 will do what Vince tells them to do.

          solar and stainbros will need time to rebuild so they are a non factor at present. BL, 401k, etc are too smalll to matter, have no axe to grind, dont want sov and are more likely to shoot both sides in any conflict if not hired as mercs.

          Nothing will happen until tech is nerfed.

          March 11, 2013 at 6:04 am Reply
          1. black legion grunt

            well black legion easily puts up 100 man fleets and we rape against the odds all the time…. so to small to matter? 401k is a joke but not black legion lol

            March 14, 2013 at 9:35 pm
  26. Dave

    Dont forget insidious empire :)

    March 9, 2013 at 1:15 am Reply
  27. Highsec Perspective

    This just in, incredible fight between 250 SOLAR and 190 NC./RA involving SOLAR supers dunking on an N3 slowcat fleet, nearly 50 N3 carriers dead, over 100 billion ISK in losses, wow, when SOLAR look just about down and out, they pull this out of the bag. Any juicy details? http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/index.php?op=rela

    March 9, 2013 at 5:22 am Reply
    1. Highsec Perspective

      Also, seems SOLAR still has the allegiance of Russian allies Protocol 13 and a relatively new Ruskie group "Jokers." Confirmign Flamebridge is doing fuck all as usual and will flip at the moment of adversity…

      March 9, 2013 at 5:27 am Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        Also, seems that Jokers. may be making a move to Delve, joining RUS bros in Stain judging by their recent action in NOL-M9: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/NOL-M9/kills. Might this mean that SOLAR will gradually follow?

        March 11, 2013 at 3:45 am Reply
    2. BntyHunter

      TBH its not how it appeared as the entire N3 wasnt ready on field yet.

      Also only 29 Carriers from my count, no way its 100 bil, unless KB`s havent caught up.

      March 9, 2013 at 9:59 am Reply
    3. Highsec Perspective
      March 11, 2013 at 2:46 am Reply
  28. Thodoros

    PL fleet, Help!
    :) šŸ˜€

    March 9, 2013 at 7:59 am Reply
  29. BntyHunter

    Yeah this was horrible, GJ Solar.

    March 9, 2013 at 9:37 am Reply
  30. TNT Grunt

    RA has a long history….what happend to RA before they lost their might was almost done by 1 person who backstabbed the once mighty empire who ruled over that space for almost a decade.

    I also have great respect for Solar, but Mactep has made very untactical calls in terms of giving help where ally's need it and let them burn while we watch from the sideline.
    This has backfired and will lead to the destruction of the mighty Solar we once knew.
    N3/PL might not break Solar down completely, but RA will rule that region within a few weeks / months.

    Its what happens after Solar is defeated what interest me the most.
    TNT + CFC needs a war / gutfights and i welcome our new neighbours Nulli / NC.
    CFC is bored….Fazor aint there to stop N3/PL they are there for fun.
    TNT altough having ops daily to keep members happy are also waiting for some exciting time !! :)
    And i bet we are not alone in this :) !


    RA reclaims (their) space CFC gets new neighbours for gutfights and maybe more !

    March 10, 2013 at 4:59 pm Reply
  31. PL are whores

    and the blue fag fuck continues.

    March 22, 2013 at 1:27 am Reply

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