Yesterday, the U93O-A solar system in the Cache region had an IHub coming out of its final reinforcement timer. This one is indeed the same solar system of the ill-fated assault we covered on February 22th.
SOLAR FLEET had amassed a formidable force which they combined with that of their allies during the three hour form-up before the engagement. SOLAR’s fleet called for the very same setup that brought them victory in their previous fight; slowcats, dreadmoughts, armor Tech 3, attack battlecruisers and, of course, stealth bombers. Their strategy proved its worth last time, and as Russians say; “one must not fix what is not broken“. The system’s cyno jammer was put online a few hours before, and gates were bubbled.
The N3 coalition was well aware of this and had already developed a plan to counter this setup. Nulli Secunda and friends fitted MJD (Large Micro Jump Drive) to their Rokhs, Red Alliance did the same. NC. fielded an armor T3 fleet.
This time, N3 forces decided to split the hostile fleet and jumped to the system from 2 different gates. NC. jumped in from BTLH gate while S2N and RA came from 4YO. The plan worked and SF started to warp between gates. In the rush of battle, a SF carrier got tackled on the BTLH gate and so first blood was drawn by N3.
N3 chased SF to 4YO gate where the main battle was taking place. N3 landed on a very unfavorable position. While the NC. fleet was sitting right on top on SF Lokis, N3 battleships were a bit unlucky and landed on optimal range of tracking dreadnoughts. Fighting started and both fleets quickly focused on killing enemy logistics. SF Lokis were keeping themselves within RR range of their carriers.
Winning such a battle against an enemy that has the tactical advantage over your fleet without bigger toys would be a bit hard. N3 decided to pull an ace from their sleeve. After assuring that the SF fleet would stay pinned down at the gate (props to the N3 dictor pilots), their FC ordered to log in around 25 supercarriers and a couple triage carriers. These ships had been brought a night before and logged off in U930-A. The supercarriers got told to incapacitate the cyno jammer. Now there was no turning back. N3 had to do everything possible and keep SF fleet away from the cyno jammer for as long as possible.
Meanwhile in Great Wildlands, FAZOR formed an AHAC gang to reinforce SF. Unfortunately for FAZOR, Pandemic Legion was keeping their all-seeing eye on them. As soon as FAZOR undocked in E02 and warped to a bridging titan, a PL HIC uncloaked, bubbled and lit a cyno to welcome in a Loki fleet. PL proceeded to make sure nobody from FAZOR would make it alive.
The battle was still raging back in U93O-A. Local was over 1300. Ships were getting alphaed. N3 had nearly no logistics left (with around 50 logistics ships lost at the time) while SF were getting reps from carriers. FC called for triage in system to reinforce the N3 logistic wing.
By the time the cyno jammer reached ~20% armor, N3 set their supercapital fleet on the move towards U930-A. The cyno jammer went down and the N3 supercapital fleet came into the system. The winner in this battle had already been determined so all that was left for their FC was to hit them as hard as possible. MACTEP, FC of SOLAR FLEET, got permanently pointed and webbed so he could watch the burning remains of his fleet. Titans started to doomsday dreadnoughts while supercapitals and capitals focused on SF carriers. Some of them managed to drift out of bubbles and warp or jump out, but the majority of them were sent to Valhala. When everything was almost over, MACTEP initiated the self-destruct sequence. This was noticed by N3 and they made short work of his Proteus.
After finishing everything on gate, N3 warped to a SF POS and killed those unlucky ones who didn’t manage to get inside the shields.
Thanks for the fight Solar,
GF
TL, DR:
A. SOLAR FLEET used the same tactics as in their previouse battle.
B. N3 learned from their mistakes, adapting their fittings and tactics to counter SF forces.
C. SOLAR had a chance to save the cyno jammer with their supercarriers and triage carriers, but they didn’t.
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U93O-A:
A larger and more powerful fleet beat a smaller and less powerful one? No way!
…. this was actually a fight that required strategy, adaptation, planning and timing on the part of the invaders, not simply a blob? Yes, the cynos lit allowed massive reinforcements to pour into system but that fault falls on Solar for failing to defend their cyno jammer and on the other side of the fence, PL did a great job of intercepting Solar's reinforcements. Fights aren't meant to be even, but this was not simply a blob and win. EvE needs more fights like this. Kudos to all involved, wish I was.
good answer… so true…
hot air… It was always easy to kill Cyno jammers. Already against the old NC it worked very fast. Then the bigger blob wins. It is not that you were the smaller blob and won. you just try to twist what happened because it would be just another boring story. it really is.
smaller blob?? then it is not a blob… that happens whan u outnumber ur enemy with supirior numbers so u can have "smaller blob".
http://youtu.be/8I3PBei7ImI
Only good u93o video worth watching
TY, Will add to this article now
Put it on top
Nothing much to brag about, SF was outnumbered by PL pets 2:1. Of course in faggy minds of PL pets that constitutes good fight.
No that constitutes taking the objective. This wasn't about good fights. Pings went out fleets went up. Should the FC's have told people "Sorry you can't come cause then it won't be even?" Even on a basic tactical level they got outplayed.
There was no bragging on comms or chat channels last night. Hell if I didn't ask I don't think anyone would have even mentioned it. In fact what I heard was gripping about how long it lasted due to TiDi.
Funniest part of what you said was NCdot as PL pets ahahahahhaaaa shows what a fucktard you are, they mutually respect each other an most have characters in each others alliances. Ncdot have saved PLs asses numerous times over the years aswell as PL saving ncdots. There's no pet relationship at all, an I mean at all, your just jelly and a uber baddie!
Yeh indeed PL and NC dots relationship would seem like, maybe Nullis and Huns. Practically the same alliance.
I every relationship there's a topper and a bottom, which do you think is which?
I can understand why you come to that conclusion but the relationship is only brought about by us needing drones as we have very poor activity levels at the moment. To be honest it is almost as bad as when we got rolled out of Fountain.
Please don't misread the above we value our partners of choice greatly and we both benefit from this relationship. Also whilst we are focused on a common enemy their is little to no danger to our Northern assets which protects our out of game assets, keeping our core share holders happy
Dave from FA, I mean PL for CSM
Go suck Faggoo's cock spineless worm. For whose benefit are you grinding worthless Solar space? Where was PL when Goons attacked you? You are lowest of imbeciles if you think for a moment Vince Draken has any say in were NC. deploys and whom it attacks. Go grind Faggoo's botting/renting space, that is all you are good for.
I have noticed your posts becoming increddibly more hostile over the course of this war. You getting mad? Are you one of the ratting carriers we've killed?
For whose benefit? ours well Red Alliances mostly since they want the space. Why? Because during the war with the CFC your own argument for Solars attack on us was that we never secured a truce with you even though Gypsy Band and IRC both blued us after months of fighting each other for the chance at sticking it to Goonswarm so now you are a victim of your own logic you never secured a truce with us.
That's right boy! Get even with those who wouldn't come running while the goons raped you over and over again! Cry, cry, cry…
But then again…how does it feel to be the CFC in this fight? You cried so bitterly about the mindless blob that burned your house down, beat all the women, and raped all the men. But now that is you. Have you changed your mind about what is fair?
Raped us over and over again? Sure they raped our structures but I think they found that the structures enjoyed taking the pounding more then they enjoyed giving it. Meanwhile we enjoyed raping their fleets over and over and over and over. CFC outnumbered us upwards of 3:1 when we fought them with nearly 10x as many people in their coalition as we had in ours.
I never said it was fair even though I still believe it would have been winnable for Solar had they done some things differently and if FA/Razor weren't really bad at this game but again I am not going to feel sorry for them because of it just like they did not care what happened when they attacked us. Only person crying here is you.
Really? I think the Confederates said the same thing back in the day.
And they were right.
They killed them 3:1 and guess what, EVERYONE gained more respect for Southerners as Soldiers as ever before.
Hell to this day, southern Soldiers of all races are considered the best in the world.
Look who else in History lost to inferior warriors but superior numbers and you will find the most respected warriors in history…Sorry but we dont make movies about the glorious Persians….The Great Mexicans who killed the few hundred at the Alamo or the Hordes of Muslims killed in Europe by Charlemagne …Unless you count them making movies of them getting slaughtered…
Guess which side Goons is similar to?
You know it was a well earned victory by n3 and they deserve the circlejerk posting, but…
Look, buddy, despite what CCP says Eve is not real. You didn't actually fight anyone at the Alamo. Nobody will ever respect you for your actions in an internet spaceship videogame.
Your an idiot if you dont think there is "Ingame respect"
Look at us after we won all the tourney`s. TBH we are still living off a lot of that respect.
Eve is a giant game of respect infact. It is the main currency in Eve as there are no legal binding contracts we assume everyone in Eve is out to get us, therefore we take chances on great Pvpers, which means PVPers we respect.
Just because its a fake game doesn`t mean there is no respect. Respect is a concept just like E-trust or you liking someone you ave never met in person.
Okay, sorry, I meant nobody will respect your PL ticker as soon as you leave your bedroom/living room/basement. Or turn of the computer. Or shut down Eve. Actually most players in Eve right now probably don't ingame respect you.
I'd be surprised if the majority of empire bears even really know what PL is.
It's cool that you won some tournaments but holy crap put things in context. Look, unless you're shadoo or one of the higher ups you are as unimportant of the rest of us idiots in internet space.
He didn`t say he was important…Just like I didnt say that.
I said by fighting and holding off the HUGE numbers we did, we earned respect from most of Eve. Love us or hate us, we fought hard and held them off.
Ask anyone in Eve who the better fighters are and who would be more memorable to fight against and 90% will say NCDOT rather than Goons.
Also the guy above was saying there is internet respect in game. He also wasn`t bragging he simply was saying PL was the most respected and feared group for like 4 years all because a few Tourny`s. He wasn`t bragging, in fact he was saying they still are riding that wave.
Anyways there definately is respect in this game. I agree with him it`s Eve`s main currency…When you make yourself the Pvp tough guy who likes to fight the war is already half over….Look at how well PL has done with this, everyone rather than fighting them just says
"They will only use SC`s because they can`t win otherwise….So why fight them?"
They basically only fight when they want to. And look at GSF they let them have Tech because they dont want to fight them and HBC lets them have Dyspro for same reason….That is E-Respect if I have ever seen it.
He is getting scared as shit….His home is almost gone.
I noticed this as well. Most times this happens where the person is semi reasonible but just misinformed means they can see the battle coming to there shores, so they are in Dmg Control making sure if they lose it will be because X Y Z, not because they will lose.
Then when the hostile group in this case NCDOT comes to his region and starts raping and taking a system a day for 2 months he has become so frustrated that they have been beaten over and over he focuses all aggression towards that group.
Also he is probably a carebear who cares very much about SOLAR and this makes it even harder, as he logs in and hears about NCDOT fags taking his space, he is probably the loud one in corp chat "HEY GUYS WE CAN TAKE THEM X UP" then no one X`s up because they have been fighting and dying for 2 months and are over it….
After a while guys like him just can`t take it, and feel like they can`t fight the tide so they get meaner and meaner and try to hurt the enemy on the last place they can….The Forums.
Sadly they just look semi retarded.
PL doesn't have "mutual respect" they do what they want, and those that follow can only be referred to as pets, NC. went from being BL pets to PL pets not much difference… remember, just because you own the Sov, doesn't make you the master.
NC. is not PL pets at all.
I am doing a diplomacy course – of course you're not, we have a mutually beneficial relationship. We point you click
NC. just presses F1 when PL tells them to, got it.
Your such a moron its funny.
I love BL but before they flew with Nulli and us vs Goons they wern`t half as popular to tools like yo uas they are now.
BL was always good but not a "Buzzword" for idiots until after Mittens made Elo out to be the reason the Goons wern`t winning.
BL had 800 guys NCDOT had 1700. NC. had 4x the SC`s, and has a higher number of Exp points. Both were damned good pilots. But BL became something great IMO 1 year ago before Goon war but only about 5 months before did they really "Gel" NCDOT has been a powerhouse in PVP since before they were NCDOT. And Tri has been better than before PL was a super power. Hell almost 1/3rd the players in PL are ex-Tri
We weren't even there and yet someone strokes our massive epeen.
Thats because, when you see a Epeen as big as yours, someone will always want to stroke it, just for the sake of saying they did
Quiet pet, don't you know your place?
no, they got trashed when the jammer went down, before that it was an even fight.
NCdoT went balls deep getting that jammer down, Solar should have responded to that, they didn't, N3 supers came in and Solar decided to mothball their 50+ supers.
Guess they come in handy when they can rat with them wherever Mittani gives them some space.
you don't know half the fight man lol
You are retarded, we were even and even outnumbered by a little in beginning then Cyno Jammer went and we gained numbers…This proves you wern`t there, and that you probably just read KB`s and think you know shit.
but the pet bit is correct
check the fucking killboard link you fucking retard http://solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=110463…
you mad bro?
You just proved how retarded you are.
You can`t tell when a group got the majority of numbers from a Kill Board you Tool.
For instance if you have a 20 vs 20 fight then your backup comes with only 10 guys left you were going to win anyways with even numbers, and a idiot like you would still cry Blob.
Point is if you wern`t there HTFU. Fight was even in beginning but then our reinforcements made it and SOLARS did not.
Good fight it sov warfare? You sure you're talking about Eve Online?
There really aint no such thing as good sov fights. Its all bad fights. SOLAR are good guys and deserve to walk from this alive, but you can't win a sov war with honor
Actually, more like a larger, less-powerful fleet beet a smaller, more-powerful one. Remember: 1) Solar had nearly all the dreads and carriers on field before the jammer went down. 2) Solar had supercap superiority in local but through sheer incompetence let the jammer died.
Seriously though, why Solar didn't have the entirety of their super fleet sitting on the jammer and repping it from the start is beyond me.
because they didn't have the 100% assurance that their sc fleet would win.
if the jammer didn't go down, you bet that Mactep would have ordered those supers to come in.
There was risk involved so he decided to rather lose the fight then risk losing (and killing) supers.
Exactly. The Russian way, give ground and make them pay for advancing. Although in this case the losses were quite steep. This is still only one system. Every system could be like this if they wanted.
to bad its not, they blueball anything not under a jammer
And why shouldn't they? The combined supercapitals of PL, RA, N3, etc would overwhelm them every time. "If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight, even though the ruler forbid it; if fighting will not result in victory, then you must not fight even at the ruler's bidding."
To bad blue balling is doing nothing but losing them a System every 2 days now.
Also we aren`t bleeding anything really, they have had 1 solid fight where we got impatient and poured in one at a time rather than just waiting and hitting them.
Other than that we are looking at 100-5 win loss ratio, and the wins are so clear, its ridiculous. Soon SOlar wont have any land left to "Bleed us" and then they will have to move to GSF space.
Doubtful that SOLAR will join GSF since there's basically zero genuine friendly relationship between them. FAZER joined this conflict out of their own (or CFC's) self interest, not at the behest of SOLAR. IMO they might either stay active in drone space, guerilla warfare, roaming N3 etc. or join RUS bros in Stain, take on HBC, get better space in Delve?
The way SOLAR is probably thinking is this: we want this space, but don't need it to survive. So I highly doubt the loss of sov will destroy SOLAR.
solar had 4x the ammount of supers in system before the jammer went down and even after it went down they still had more but refused to use them
Before the cyno jammer was down it was fairly equal numbers, 1st mistake solar made is panicking an cross warping between gates, 2nd mistake was not kiting the pos and ripping cyno jammer with supercaps. If that had been done they would of had half a chance.
N3 with quality vets are not dumb the initial fight that was lost was just for the sake if a fight, this was an objective wich they were taking seriously and adapted
Fleet to make the initial battering easier.
From what I heard this is a great report although, this report does miss out that the MJD Rohks are said to have put in an outstanding performance and were always at optimal ranges and jumped away from bombers leaving them in the dust but otherwise a good report. A lot of people are also saying ProgodLegend FCed and lived up to his name. Hope to see a lot more of ProGod, some say he can be one of the best FCs in EvE, (when he can be bothered to).
N3 has the options of many awesome FCs through out NCdot nulli and the other guys in N3 hav countless other good FCs wich are up and coming, it's an environment that is good for FCs to trial and error and be supports in development, they are after all learning from some of the best vets.
Yeh, N3 definitely has numerous good FCs. and of course NCdot has loads and there is lots of up and coming ones. Its just that it's good to see ProGod back in action and hopefully he will stay that way.
This is what the Goons wont realize and TBH many of the guys who never faced off against us. I like Elo but he was never the reason we held Goons off.
NCDOT now that Twinkey has left is in the best FC pool I have seen in a while. I liked Twink as a FC mostly and he was very skilled, but he simply had to much sway and exp and it kept guys down since he would just hop on and take over.
We really do have 10 top FC`s in game ATM who could lead as head FC almost anywhere and another 4 from Nulli I love. To be a N3 guy now is a great thing. If we just took down Goons and Tech/Dys I would be in heaven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkLtYNTV04
There's a lot out there that's bad for my alliance that I would (somewhat begrudgingly) admit is good for EVE as a whole.
PL is bad for the entire game.
Pl drops supers on 19man sub cap roams……..fuck pl…..worst papers in game.
God dammit!! We are winning to fast!!!
As a dam good PvPer if I do say so myself……. I have always had a great deal of respect for NC. even before I joined Nulli a very long time ago, I was surprised at the consistent high PvP performance they put out.
Also PL has really done a lot more recently to earn my respect as well, which does not come naturally considering our history with PL.
Funny how it works when they are on your side.
I love Nulli. They are one of the only groups who likes to fight with Subcaps as much as we do. I always am pleasantly surprised how my friends in NCDOT never get complacent. I was in BoB and saw how great PVPers could get lazy, it simply doesn't happen in NCDOT so far from my view.
I also was surprised when I joined NC. how solid they were as I fought along side them with Cry Havoc, I first thought NC. had just made the amazing showings when we fought with them, but when I joined I was very surprised.
Nulli very much reminds me of a younger NC. I am glad we found like minded fighters to play with, and regardless of the haters, NCDOT when they have made you there best friends will stand with you forever. Look at how well NC. and Evoke and Cry Havoc was…Great friends and almost the same Alli minus the language for as long as they survived.
Lets pvp in eve……how many supers can I drop to beat you?……oh you don't have any supers…..too bad.
Bad for eve……
u are soo full of shit.. this was a well planed and executed plan. THIS is what u need super caps for. strategic move… the fight was not won by the supers but with good decaption on N# part and bad judgment of SF.
i agree but when its 2 v 1 in number did solar ever have a chance maybe they could tryed to stop them with bomb run on the supers bombers but it was the 25 super caps that one this fight putting down the cyno jamer and killing all the dreads.
i seen nc. win 3:1 vs goons so i guess it is possible.
Numbers is nothing more than excuses, you don't hear N3 complaining about it when they at numbered, they are thankful for the fight and still expect to win or have a close fight.
It all depends upon alliance, coalition attitude.
For example Dotbros fought and slaughtered CFC 3:1 and further outnumbered and they were in heaven for th most part. This battle we have here yea solar when the jammer went down were 2:1 outnumbers, but these are odds that N3 would laugh at. It was solar mistakes wich lost them the fight so badly not the 2:1 they were outnumbered.
An example, if they had there SCs kiting the POs replying the cyno jammer then this would of likely gone differently, I.e much greater losses on N3s part.
Repping* predict txt
uncut amateur video from a rokh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBomVJkxYh8
One of the prettiest feats of the art of war. Between the separate fleet elements with their dispersed-yet-complementary objectives, the excellent use of MJDs on the Rokhs, the commando supercapitals, and the general battle plan accurately assessing and acting upon SOLAR's anticipated responses, I have to say that this was one of the most beautifully-executed combined-arms operations EVE has seen in a while.
wow SF just wow!! How could they not anticipate that n3 would log caps off at the jammer when it was offline in prep for this battle?! Anyone with a little bit of common sense, could forsee that happening, cuz it is priority 1 for any attacking force to get that jammer……. especially when you have PL as a big brother……
wow, what a fight i wish 'i was there' o can imagine many ppl re-subbed after readind this article, nice to see that eve is still alive
what a butch of blobbers the N3 are
fuck, i mean bunch, bunch of blobbers lol
STFU and go back in your cage monky
Once more great fight to Solar. I`m glad you guys are back to bringing fights. I`m glad you too ka break for a while, it seems like you recharged your batteries.
It was close.
I feel kinda bullied when my video isn't here =/
So fuck this and le'ts link some shit! (Shit indeed)[youtube ZPtIMq02wco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPtIMq02wco youtube]
Na this is how it really happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkLtYNTV04
After this small engagement (1,300 in local – half beeing SOLAR) I wonder what N3 is smoking, thinking that they can have a go at CFC.
N3 losers, THIS IS ALL YOU CAN MUSTER?
I pray that you smoke more and come North.
no worries honey
we will come. and trust me, u will need some lube 
Never put pro and TNT in same page let alone same name.
Also yeah since you stomped us so hard in Asa…Right?
test will invade goons, N3 will go for the rest of cfc, pl will do what they always do. All after Solar is out.
Kev you have the best vid`s bar none. And best music.
Still best is us in 80 Bhacs vs 80 Nado`s at our back and 100 Drakes and we still roll em up.
pot kettle and all that – thanks for the response though
Well, they'll have to go do it again because the N3 b-team failed bigtime today. SOLAR waltzed in like they owned the place, dropped supers, killed the SBUs, set a new IHub, onlined it, upgraded it and killed a RA fleet in the process. They really deserve the namesake of Slavic Vikings. This is why we like SOLAR.
If its a fair fight, you're doing it wrong. Think Patton gave a flying fuck about making sure Zee Germans had a chance to meet him on equal terms? No friends, this may be just a game, but if you don't try to stack the deck in your favor, and maybe add a few more aces to it just to make sure, then you're stupid and you deserve to lose. Relying on others to play 'fair' in a game where everyone 'cheats' is total nonsense. What is worse it bitching about the lack of fair fights in a no holds barred, fight to the death, game like EVE.
You don't bring a knife to a knife fight, you bring a fucking gun, and you don't stop shooting until any stupid fuck holding a knife is dead.
dude!!! thats a god damn truth!!!
basically this is the old Solar bot farm vs Red alliance bot farm competition. Now with some smug alliances added like NC. and S2N.
i know hindsight is a wonderful thing, watching this and looking at it from an outsiders perspective as soon as i heard the fleets were coming from 2 sides i would of staged the system defense on the jammer, saying that would of left the ihub open so i guess ill just stfu