WHY so Seri0Us has had a rollercoaster of a time for the last month or so. The Wicked Creek based alliance had begun haemorrhaging corporations to neighbouring alliances such as Nulli Secunda, with said corporations stating that the alliance was beginning to crumble and that rot had set in. It looked as if WHY so Seri0Us had managed to stop the bleeding and had been bringing in more corporations and pilots to replace those that had jumped ship; until today.

Zervas Aeronautics, one of the main corporations of the alliance has left, with rumours abound of leadership embezzling alliance level funds at the expense of their corporations and members. The departure of Zervas is a shocking body blow to the alliance that has relied on Zervas Aeronautics for a large proportion of their US timezone fleets, as well as their logistics capabilities. To compound matters for the failing alliance, there has been speak whispers of an impending reset by Nulli, which would likely see WHYSO begin to fall apart at a much faster rate.

WHYSO has had a tumultuous past. It was born out of the remains of R-I-P, the Wicked Creek alliance that suddenly disbanded one night, losing all of their space in one fell swoop. This was said to be the work of a rogue alliance director that had become disillusioned and pulled the plug without it being decided. Many stories have flown around as to what really happened, but it seems that history is beginning to repeat itself albeit with less of an instantaneous disbanding and more of a ‘bleeding out’ failscade. The Detorid and Wicked Creek area has seen a lot of unrest in recent times; with The Unthinkables resetting their neighbouring alliances, and false smiles allegedly being put on ‘for the greater good of the area’.

With WHYSO’s declining activity, diplomatic tensions and corporations leaving for greener pastures, only time will tell if they can cut out the rot from within, or if the curse of Cascade Imminent taking the region means that there’s another ‘cascade imminent’ on the horizon.

WHY so Seri0Us DOTLAN Stats

– Mino Noud


  1. Guy

    That sucks. I thought INK and Whyso had a really cool campaign going on early last year. Whenever it was that Cascade Imminent died, anyway. Seemed like it was one of those campaigns where the fights were small enough that individual pilots would've made a difference. There's nowhere near enough of those in Eve.

    February 12, 2013 at 10:47 am Reply
    1. herp herp

      confirmed that when you pull range to 100km in cowardtengus individual pilots make the difference.

      February 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm Reply
      1. cry

        Well … Looks like we kicked your ass too it seems.

        February 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm Reply
      2. Rots

        That was the point of the tengus, 50 poeple could beat 100 peopel if done right, but look, they werent 100mn anyway… so… welp canes? lol

        February 12, 2013 at 11:28 pm Reply
    2. Hmm

      Cascade, didn't even put up a fight, they just left the region as soon as Nulli took one system…INK and Co took the region AFTER FAIL left. Lets remember that..

      February 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm Reply
      1. Funny guy

        Oh cascade did fight.. And yes they left after INK and WHYSO had killed them month in row..

        February 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm Reply
        1. Hmm

          not quite how i saw it….fail was kicking ink on a regular basis, ink was never seen as a threat, ever. Its was only when nulli decided to show they thought it was game over, funnily nulli didnt even bother coming for a while.. what killed fail was Archie

          February 12, 2013 at 3:34 pm Reply
          1. Funny guy

            Well INK had campaing against FAIL on their KB and INK did murder FAIL according it.. Tbh i was there and we kicked FAIL on daily baisis. We did won like 95% of our fights too against FAIL…

            February 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm
          2. Washi Meisei

            FAIL was kicking who?????? ROFL FAIL ummmmm FAILED to do anything.
            It took FAIL 3 tries to RF 1 JB POS. FAIL RF'd 7 unimportant systems and braged about it. FAIL won ONE battle and bragged about it……FAIL got their asses handed to them.
            FAIL FAILED they are dead get over it.

            February 12, 2013 at 11:12 pm
      2. orz

        INK and WHYSO did the heavy lifting. S2N just showed up to take a kick at the door and the entire building promptly collapsed, s'all.

        February 12, 2013 at 8:44 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Me to. I loved the fact of there break away with Gypsies and all the Cascade stuff.

      Anyways I to am sad. I love the small tough Alliances, sad that Tribal got some of them IMO.

      February 12, 2013 at 11:00 pm Reply
  2. dude

    Whyso fail so badly its untrue

    February 12, 2013 at 11:01 am Reply
  3. TeSt HAteR

    while why so, aint a bad alliance in any way, they are doomed to either be absorbed as a minor partner in the greater n3 coaltion or to be squeezed by the expanding red alliance to nothingness. Sucks but they kinda of need get used to having larger capable corps leaving to avoid an unpleasant future.

    February 12, 2013 at 11:11 am Reply
    1. Guy

      Are you sure it's not for other reasons? There will be loads of space for n3 to distribute once insmother and cache fall.

      February 12, 2013 at 11:18 am Reply
    2. Fate

      Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god we're doomed!!! LOL

      February 12, 2013 at 12:36 pm Reply
    3. WHOSO Fail?

      WHYSO sucks. The alliance leader is an incompetent fool that was kicked out of RED for his stupidity and that's saying something.

      February 12, 2013 at 12:56 pm Reply
      1. Gruntastic

        Everyone, believe this man, he speaks the truth and nothing but the truth … It's so relevant that'll change the way Eve only works forever.


        February 12, 2013 at 1:02 pm Reply
      2. gizzy

        umm, we left RED.Legion becasue we wanted to drop our capitals on people, and we got told by Red allaince that we could, 0Swift was a douche and kicked us because we wanted to use OUR personal assets the way we wanted to.

        February 14, 2013 at 5:13 am Reply
    4. apocalypse

      As far as I can see from being in this war is 1. Whys0 are small & not a blobbing alliance. (Not a bad thing) 2.failzor still being beat , RA still killing solar. Everything seems to be good :)

      February 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm Reply
  4. jefffrazer525117904

    An article written from the point of view of a disgruntled leaving corp. How balanced an accurate of you for a change.

    February 12, 2013 at 11:39 am Reply
  5. Fate

    Hey ZERVA dudes … UMAD? Yea … You guys are mad huh? Take it out with your directorate that ran for the hills …

    February 12, 2013 at 12:28 pm Reply
    1. OOglie booglie

      why would we be mad for keeping some of our cash? nonsense.

      February 13, 2013 at 4:47 am Reply
  6. Fate

    Hey, they had something right in this text over here …

    The names ……….

    February 12, 2013 at 12:31 pm Reply
  7. @ TeSt HAteR

    ur wrong mate about the RA, after they stopped reciving the help from PL and N3 coalition, they can't do anything by them self, they get wapourized by everyone……they are just a big meat shield when someone calls them to be allied with them, but then again, they aren't even worthy to be anyones meat shield

    February 12, 2013 at 12:39 pm Reply
    1. dingo the dog

      i loled so hard coz its so true

      February 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm Reply
    2. Fiberton

      I laugh at propaganda :) " X is meatshield ..X is pet X is blahblahblah…. Video games are not real :)

      February 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm Reply
  8. INKbob

    For a start they didnt reset us…we reset them. We have no wish to be blue donut peeps. We do have allies and will gladly fight alongside NC/Nulli/FA/PL/Test against the rest of EVE. But if you look at the KB you will see we do shoot each other at times.

    As for WhySo, well they're WhySo – they may get over it, we'll have to wait n see.

    February 12, 2013 at 12:48 pm Reply
    1. Fate

      Over what exactly?

      February 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm Reply
      1. Fate

        Oh … Getting over being blue balled? Right …

        February 12, 2013 at 12:54 pm Reply
    2. INKbob

      Spot the typo…no….well FA should be RA!

      And getting over what?? Getting over being WhySo ofc 😛

      February 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm Reply
  9. Guest

    Very true, INK and Whyso had some very good campaigns. INK is looking very healthy currently from the looks of the kills they have rolling in.

    February 12, 2013 at 1:12 pm Reply
    1. Fiberton

      INK is doing great from what I know. Whyso guys have been great and RA has had a great time flying along side them. This reset people speak of is friendly for the most part. Space, Vince, Gorga, Rots etc all are in a channel with many more like myself talking about which nut of Solars will be kicked next. People outside have no idea how friendly things really are. It is just a video game after all. As Shadoo said just the other day which was in my mind very good advice given to any fellow pilot in Eve.

      " you have to be aware of the limitations of your friendly fleets in an engagement, and plan/act accordingly — because no amount of yelling at them will make them any better/able to execute stuff. I saved myself an early heart attack once with that approach "

      Fly safe Whyso doods 07 .. For the rest of you gentlemen.. relax.. have fun.. не волноваться

      February 13, 2013 at 8:10 am Reply
      1. Washi Meisei

        Fiberton spasiba, well said.

        February 14, 2013 at 12:13 am Reply
  10. point of view

    hmm, what is it you get when you have a snake for a friend?

    February 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm Reply
  11. Effsea Break

    Tribal Band greener pastures LOLZ

    February 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm Reply
    1. Grunt

      I was indeed wondering the same thing. If there is one alliance with a drama lama in every single system, it is tribal.

      February 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm Reply
      1. Zait

        Grunt, are you high?

        February 12, 2013 at 7:05 pm Reply
    2. Master_Hyde

      The Tribal Drama Llama has been on life support for some time now

      February 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm Reply
    3. DoopDeDooh

      Oh please… your just jealous that we are getting our shit together down here and we just not easy kills any more so go take your buddies and circle jerk all of your sister some more.

      February 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm Reply
      1. Grunt

        Why So Seri0us?

        February 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm Reply
    4. DoopDeDooh

      Waiting on the Tribe is about to failscade remarks in 5…4…3….2….1…

      February 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm Reply
  12. Grunt

    There are rumors, and there are very bad rumors that make it in a EVE24 article.

    February 12, 2013 at 1:37 pm Reply
    1. Guy

      You should elaborate and tell us what's actually happening, then.

      February 12, 2013 at 12:48 pm Reply
      1. Grunt

        No can't do. For 1, I know only half of the facts, but I know enough to know this article is made up by bias. Secondly, even if I did know everything what was going on, I would never ever put it up on EVE24. Not because most of the site is made up out of complete nonsence, but mostly because its none of your business (no offence). Alliance matters are alliance matters, and I am deffinately not the person to share the info with the rest of EVE.

        February 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm Reply
        1. Guy

          There's no point in saying something like it's all bad rumors without backing it up somehow. It's just your word against theirs and the article at least has some form of logic behind it, wrong or not.

          February 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm Reply
          1. P00P

            Try harder Zerva.

            February 12, 2013 at 1:06 pm
          2. Guy


            February 12, 2013 at 1:10 pm
          3. P00P


            February 12, 2013 at 1:10 pm
          4. Guy


            February 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm
          5. Fate


            February 12, 2013 at 1:12 pm
          6. Guy

            Anyway 'you're wrong because I said' is a bad argument.

            February 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm
          7. Fate

            So serious … Why?

            February 12, 2013 at 1:16 pm
          8. Guy


            February 12, 2013 at 1:17 pm
          9. Fate


            February 12, 2013 at 1:18 pm
          10. Fate


            February 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm
          11. No Doubt


            April 6, 2013 at 4:50 am
        2. dude

          thats caz ur just a dumb scrub

          February 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm Reply
          1. Grunt

            I am truly amazed by your intellectual reply there. Just a wild guess, but are you a Goonie?

            February 12, 2013 at 2:46 pm
          2. Selina

            Because your replies have been so much more useful and beneficial to the discussion……

            Don't like the report? Then as with any real company getting what they feel to be bad press, get your alliance to put out it's own press release.

            February 12, 2013 at 8:58 pm
        3. Alwayslaughahahaha

          When has news ever had anything to do with being private business, especially in a videogame?

          February 12, 2013 at 3:32 pm Reply
          1. Grunt

            Because I just made it my business. Dont like it? From the bottom of my heart, I cant give a shit.

            February 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm
          2. srsly man

            apparently enough shits given to post..

            February 12, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    2. Lugalbandak


      February 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm Reply
      1. No Doubt


        April 6, 2013 at 4:50 am Reply
  13. Desert Ice78

    At first glance I thought someone is trying way, way too hard, but on closer reflection I realise that they didn't put any effort at all into this article.

    Terrible fail again Zervas.

    February 12, 2013 at 2:19 pm Reply
    1. Theodore Lascaris

      because it wasn't zerva who wrote the article.

      February 12, 2013 at 6:44 pm Reply
  14. insider

    BV leaving was sad, but they are an isolated group since most of them don't speak english so not much integrity lost really..

    Zerva leaving was…. fantastic…. have phun with the worst obvious blue tackler recruiters. whats an api check?
    This article is just Zerva being butthurt, also their "FCs" suck so bad, it's unreal.

    seri0us! 😀

    February 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm Reply
    1. the lolrus

      continue drinking the coolaid while your alliance crumbles around you since zervas left :)

      February 13, 2013 at 1:56 am Reply
  15. Morgan Spurlock

    "The Unthinkables being reset by their neighbouring alliances, and false smiles allegedly being put on ‘for the greater good of the area’." – Wow, where did you dream this up from? Your extensive experience in Wicked Creek or are you the propaganda arm of some shit alliance?

    February 12, 2013 at 3:31 pm Reply
  16. apocalypse

    2 corps left an alliance .. that's not failscade. I live there & this artical is pure bs propaganda. Mean while solar still is being defeated & failzor has lost a titan & blue balled every fight.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:01 pm Reply
  17. concerned citizen

    Zervas left because certain leadership members sucked, they were mor interested in building a money fort than taking care of their members. They delegated their responsibilities and watched the change pile up. Free titans and supers built gratis doesn't smell foul to you? Zervas leadership made the decision to leave because they read the writing on the wall, why so butthurt?

    February 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm Reply
    1. Effsea Break

      Last time I checked a community effort to fortify the ranks was not a bad thing!

      February 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm Reply
      1. gizzy

        lets see, looking at the wallet, we paid out 70% of our rental income into replacements, and 20% into projects that will show yeild in the next few weeks, and the remaining 10% is being used to put alliance fits on contracts for easy access with no profit? im failing to see how were building a money fort?

        February 14, 2013 at 5:12 am Reply
  18. Felix

    Their dotlan stats don't look that bad. I'v seen much worse slopes.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:27 pm Reply
  19. Cornercitizen1001

    First I'd like to point out that the author of this article, Mino Noud, played justr as much a role in the declining health of the why so seri0us alliance as any other entity leaving the Why So Seri0us "Franchise." He clearly has bias as he's now swinging from the RA teet with the promise of "free" sov and "good" fights. Don't believe it? Look at Dotlan. Dotlan Don't lie. Secondly, Zervas Left because it intends to survive and where whyso was heading there was no coming back from. The leadership made a decision and decided to make a move elsewhere. The drama should be over but the lies and the rumors continue to circulate. EN24 should hire some new reporters that can publish fact and not rumors that might as well have come from their own imagination.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm Reply
    1. XZ01

      * BUZZ *

      WRONG … try AGAIN.

      February 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm Reply
    2. Cornercitizen1001

      Whyso readily painted Zervas as traitorous pirates without scruples when we basically made up a bulk of their US timezone and us leaving removed a huge Jenga block from an already leaning tower. They are pissed off at the abrupt leaving but you can't ride a dead horse to the bank. We left Why So because our own members of many months were disgruntled and had begun leaving. Since relocating we've had a serious uptick in activity, in morale and corp confidence and we're faring better than we did in Whyso. The soon-to-be-homeless haters may spin it different ofc…and I hope they do, from curse or wherever they get relocated to. noobz

      February 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm Reply
      1. Effsea Break

        There is noone pissed off about Zerva leaving…lol

        February 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm Reply
        1. Theodore Lascaris

          I actually believe this. I don't think people are pissed off at zervas. Upset possibly.

          February 12, 2013 at 6:59 pm Reply
          1. Effsea Break

            Upset at the way they went about it, yes.

            February 12, 2013 at 8:27 pm
  20. Theodore Lascaris

    I saw this coming a long time ago. I will not hide behind a false name.

    When I first joined whyso, purely because a friend had asked me to come back to the game. They were a mess. PvP was a kitchen sink you wouldn't believe. I tried to organize their pvp backbone. Granted there was some success but when you have two guys leading the Alliance who 1) Don't read mails nor reply to them in a timely fashion 2) Backseat everything 3) Are barely on 4) Put incompetent people in alliance roles. You are going to fail. Its why I left but I did come back later these past few months because simply it was the best choice at the time for me.

    Moon mining done for the alliance was ass backwards. I am a pvp guy who doesn't know a great deal of moon mining but I could easily figure out that we were losing money on moons that should of been profiting after fuel cost. This took forever to get resolved.

    Let me go back to the PvP. I wanted to build whyso to be capable to being able to defend themselves. THis would of taken our pilots a huge amount of time for train for fleets that would better suit smaller numbers. What did Leadership decide? NOPE they wanted to go with tengus and piggy back Gypsy Band. The leadership never wanted to risk/put time into building an identity. When I asked why the hell we were flying rohks. Because nulli/nc. would fly rohks. Everything they did was half ass and the easy way. Their success was only on the coat tails of its allies.

    People got fed up with it and left.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm Reply
    1. Theodore Lascaris

      Rots youre a good guy and hope you do well as you should of been the sole leader of this alliance from day 1. Just know your work never was unappreciated.

      February 12, 2013 at 5:48 pm Reply
    2. XZ01

      You always were the emotional one …

      February 12, 2013 at 5:50 pm Reply
      1. Theodore Lascaris

        because my emotions have to do with everything i just said?

        February 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm Reply
        1. XZ01

          Keep talking.

          February 12, 2013 at 6:14 pm Reply
          1. Theodore Lascaris

            why so serious?

            February 12, 2013 at 6:38 pm
          2. XZ01

            Why so dumb?

            February 12, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    3. P0oner

      The people who actually tried to make the alliance run worked harder than anybody but it was a constant state of damage control and not ever a position of Alliance-wide growth. The dudes in that alliance can bitch and moan all they want but when it comes down to it 110+ logged into alliance and <12 in fleet is never going to end in happy gf spaceship land.

      February 12, 2013 at 5:51 pm Reply
      1. Theodore Lascaris

        my thoughts exaclty.

        February 12, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
    4. LOL

      You irrelevant twat …

      February 12, 2013 at 5:54 pm Reply
      1. Theodore Lascaris

        the truth does hurt.

        February 12, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
        1. LOL

          Like I said … You irrelevant twat. What truth are you talking about? You weren't in WHYSO for months.

          February 12, 2013 at 6:09 pm Reply
          1. Theodore Lascaris

            I'm sorry you can't read.

            February 12, 2013 at 6:14 pm
          2. LOL

            Go on. Proceed being irrelevant Theo. Next time don't forget to bring your members when you evac yea?

            February 12, 2013 at 6:17 pm
          3. Theodore Lascaris

            Bring my members. You mean the ones that wanted to stay? Bringing up shit that was like 6+ months ago? Please go on. Least i have the balls to say what I want under my own name.

            February 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm
          4. LOL

            Is being ignorant having balls now a days? Oh my …

            February 12, 2013 at 7:18 pm
          5. coolio

            black cyrus must be mad, theo.

            February 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm
          6. Theodore Lascaris

            If I only knew who he was.

            February 12, 2013 at 6:21 pm
          7. LOL

            Another twat? You must be righteous zeke. Actually I'm the person who builded a project that goes beyond you it seems. Poor man still had to wait and eventually lost his money at you twats. No need for me to log into the game just to know how you just cannot pull it together and work as a team.

            February 12, 2013 at 9:51 pm
          8. Just a bystander

            "Builded" go back to elementary school and learn proper english. No wonder its a cascade fail

            February 13, 2013 at 8:41 am
    5. I was there

      Dude, Those fucking alliance leaders were trash. Rots tried to stop it from collapsing every day and there were sum gud times yea but ultimatly shnooker was the biggest waste of breth and he never gave a shit he jus wanted to make money and get free stuff by making the corps pay for everything while they charged rent to live in space they didnt own. Its not enough to ignore the fact that u suck and ur alliance is failing but then you go and blame a strong corp for ur problems cuz u cant fix em urself.

      February 12, 2013 at 6:10 pm Reply
      1. Theodore Lascaris

        Agreed. That is why rots should of been in charge. He had the time to be mostly active and knew how to deal with the members. He was easy to work with and always listened to what you had to say.

        February 12, 2013 at 6:13 pm Reply
        1. I was there

          wen we were dealing with their diplos it was alright but then shnook wud come up and change all the stuff the diplos had worked on and so we just sed no thanks. its why kraken and them left too. too much micro manageing from dudes who were out of the loop and not enuff managing power to them who should have had it.

          February 12, 2013 at 6:17 pm Reply
          1. Theodore Lascaris

            That is how everything was run.

            February 12, 2013 at 6:22 pm
          2. I was there

            no wunder ppl left then. ppl luv to blame other ppl for their problems. Why so SUCKY?

            February 12, 2013 at 6:24 pm
        2. sendeth

          it's should HAVE not should OF. that drives me crazy.

          February 12, 2013 at 7:01 pm Reply
          1. Theodore Lascaris

            im sorry :( forgive me?

            February 12, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    6. Preach!

      February 13, 2013 at 9:15 am Reply
  21. orz

    Zervas was already fishing around for other options in December. If all this comes to a surprise to WHYSO, then Zervas did a poor job at conveying their dissatisfactions with the rest of the alliance.

    February 12, 2013 at 8:43 pm Reply
  22. whyso is done. the last of the glue holding it together (ie rots) has given a two week notice that he is stepping down as diplo and head FC.

    and [email protected] all the buttmad aimed at zervas. when 1 corp makes up 50% of your cta fleets on a regular basis, you should know theres a problem. we at zervas put our heart and soul into making whyso work for 10 months. however at every opportunity, we were treated like red headed step children by shnooker. micromanaged to the point where the directorate was experiencing a high rate of burnout. sure there were some good times in spite of shnookers decending from the mountain top once a week to berate us, but the game just wasnt fun anymore while flying for whyso.

    February 12, 2013 at 9:35 pm Reply
  23. gizzy

    wow, this is an absolute SHIT article, first off, whyso is not a detorid based allaince! were a Wicked creek allaince!

    also, boiians had 10 members, now they have 4, BV was mostly czech, corp.

    "with rumours abound of leadership embezzling alliance level funds at the expense of their corporations and members."

    all rumors are false, seeing as i watch over every wallet.

    "this was said to be the work of a rogue alliance director that had become disillusioned and pulled the plug without it being decided"

    ya she got pissed because she didnt get the recognition she "deserved" the ungrateful bitch.

    "with The Unthinkables being reset by their neighbouring alliances"

    Ink wanted to reset NCDOT for good fights not the otherway arround

    "diplomatic tensions and corporations leaving for greener pastures,"

    Tribal band is not greener pastures.

    "or if the curse of Cascade Imminent taking the region means that there’s another ‘cascade imminent’ on the horizon."

    Once again, we DONT live in detorid…

    February 12, 2013 at 9:45 pm Reply
    1. srsly man

      Damage Control, ENGAGE!

      February 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm Reply
      1. No Doubt

        I laughed hard at DC Engagement.

        April 6, 2013 at 4:49 am Reply
  24. 7of7

    Only if people actually new why Zervas Aeronautics got so angry that they contacted Eve News for this story. Nice try Zervas. The damage Zervas Aeronautics have done to this small alliance is not even mentioned in here and I am not surprised. I myself is not IN Why so Seri0us. Our spy network leaders forbid me from spilling exact details in here, but I will say that the guys in the WHYSO should just go ahead and let New Eden know. Let all these people think what they want. Just keep up the good work. And no,tNulli is not going to reset these guys. Nulli has no interest of resetting them.

    February 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm Reply
    1. fakeisafake2

      damage control much?

      February 12, 2013 at 10:45 pm Reply
  25. Eve

    Any why so guys joining Nulli are really moving up in, eve so really a big congrats would be in order, rather than crying about it.

    February 12, 2013 at 10:51 pm Reply
    1. The Ref

      Congrats Whyso, for those of you moving to Nulli you are going from just having a nice name, to being part of EvE legends.

      February 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm Reply
    2. Eve is great

      Congrats Whyso.

      February 12, 2013 at 11:58 pm Reply
  26. Rots

    Would it be cruel of me to say i felt this article coming?!

    For a start, the run in WHYSO has been by my favorite run in any alliance. I come out saying, we used to form good fleets under decent Fleet Commanders and had fun doing it regardless of the welp. We started out as a pet under Gypsy Band and ended up as a stand alone alliance! However, it goes without saying that the leaving of BV, and the Czech/Slovakian enclave put the cover on the coffin, and this last month put the nails into it. Zervas leaving was a consequence of slowed progression, and we are still pretty happy today, however, you cant be a small alliance and expect to be as organized as Goons or Test their simply isnt very many things to organize! Fundamentally, you have to have fun in the game, and log on and get exactly what you want from it, and that is my reason for leaving better pastures or not, the pew pew must flow!!!! (GF to FA! turns out we didnt get blobbed all tht much.) (Trap for the Ex-Whyso downed avatar players Axoxing supers.)

    Cheers dudes!

    February 12, 2013 at 11:17 pm Reply
    1. Ferdinand Konig

      we have much love for you over here in zervas command rots. i do hope that wherever you go, you have a blast because there are precious few who worked harder than you for whyso

      February 13, 2013 at 1:48 am Reply
    2. PetswillbePets

      I believe most people still think your pets, but not too Gypsy obviously.

      February 13, 2013 at 2:36 am Reply
    3. giz

      It wont let me type "i still love you dayvie" or anything!

      February 14, 2013 at 8:13 pm Reply
    4. gizzy

      <3 dayvie!

      February 14, 2013 at 8:13 pm Reply
    5. <3 u Rots

      February 21, 2013 at 9:51 am Reply
  27. Hacklespur

    I find this article humorous coming from the leader of the small local alliance 'Infinite Aggression' that has been trying to poach members from Whyso and Whyso Franchise, myself and my corp included. Also humorous is; we have been contacted by IA as they still have assets in Whyso space from when they were given a place to stay and now have been reset for some strange reason following this article. Welp.

    So, meta TL;DR of this article:
    -Nearby alliance leader has been friendly with WHYSO corp CEOs trying to get a story and poaching members.
    -Writes partially-factual report on what is going on with Whyso and why an alliance is so serious, presumably because his article about journalism isn't completed yet, and he has a quota to make for his EN24 paycheck to support his alliance.

    I for one wish Zervas the best, and I will be keeping in contact with many of their awesome members. Good luck!

    February 13, 2013 at 2:14 am Reply
    1. Ferdinand Konig

      Thanks Hack. you and anyone in ACCRP can chat me up anytime buddy o7

      February 13, 2013 at 3:16 am Reply
    2. Thanks Hack! Same goes for me, any ACCRP members are welcome friends.
      Fly reckless~

      February 13, 2013 at 10:13 am Reply
  28. Professor Sorrenson

    As CEO of Zervas Aeronautics my first responcibility is to my Corpmates, pure and simple.

    Their well being and ability to have fun in this game is my chief responcibility. I do know Nino and I have spoken to him but I had no idea that he was a writer for or with this publication. Nino aproached me as an individual who was looking for a corp to recruit and I explained to him that the idea of joining another small Alliance would not be in the best interest of Zervas and its not because he doesn't represent a fine organization, because he does, it's because the bitter taste of the fiscal demands they put on us while they pocketed their own income from the renters was not an even exchange in the least. They never even thought to invest in the well being of their Alliance.

    First I need to stress the point that Zervas had nothing to do with the publishing of this article. Secondly I ask you why should we be butt hurt about WHYSO? We're proud of our service to their organization. Our corp was within the top 4% of the WHYSO killboard month after month. Our fleet represented 30% to 50% of their fleet formation.

    But as you can read from the comments above, WHYSO has to blame someone. Its amazing to me how much energy they put into blaming Zervas and how little energy they put into rebuilding themselves. Thats the perfect illustration as to why Zervas isn't there anymore.

    If there's anyone to blame for Zervas leaving WHYSO it should be directed at me and me alone. I'm their CEO and I made the decision to leave. I did it because I care for my guys and I won't let anyone take advantage of them. I won't stand by and let others attempt to use them. I'll fight for everyone of them and make sure they receive the respect they ALL deserve. I listen to their concerns, speak to them like individuals and the last thing I'll stand for is to see them treated like meat. My loyalty to my corp and it's people is beyond reproach. That's why I posted my name on this comment and didn't use a tag that you wouldn't recognize.

    All things being said, I wish WHYSO only the best and I hope these words pushes them to prove me wrong. I hope they turn around and do right by their people and rebuild to become a force in the South. I want to see them grow and be proud of our contribution to their beginnings not fade away and be seen as a waste of our time and effort. The blood we shed for them is important to me.

    Ok, thats my two cents. Oh yeah,.. did I mention that we're recruiting? Lol!

    Fly Strong!!

    Professor Sorrenson
    CEO: Mad Scientist at Large!
    Zervas Aeronautics

    February 13, 2013 at 4:56 am Reply
    1. OOglie booglie

      you're awesome.

      February 13, 2013 at 5:02 am Reply
    2. Rots

      Ehh my corp with 7 active players still has a better KB than you! 😉

      February 13, 2013 at 6:05 am Reply
      1. Professor Sorrenson

        To be honest I never even looked at your KB and it's not my intention to make this personal. So troll if you want to Rots it won't effect me at all.

        Besides when leadership asked my opinion in regards to you replacing ships out of your own pocket instead of WHYSO having it's own Ship Replacement Program I gave you props for that and told them that you should be commended. But did they commend you? Nope.

        They got pissed that you ended up going broke in the process and wound up having to borrow the ISK and when it was all said and done they ended up having to pay it back themselves. So once again we see a fine example of WHYSO being more interested in it's own pockets instead of the contributions of it's members.

        You're a good man, Rots and it's only a matter of time before you realize how badly you've been used.

        Oh yeah,.. did I mention to everyone out there reading this that we're recruiting?

        Fly Strong!!

        Professor Sorrenson
        CEO: Mad Scientist at Large!
        Zervas Aeronautics

        February 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm Reply
        1. XZ01

          Too bad he's a good man you won't have on your fail boat o7.

          Listen … You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to ratting in carriers during CTA's.

          February 13, 2013 at 12:31 pm Reply
    3. Fate

      Why would WHYSO need to blame someone if it already has been verified that one of your guys provided the material for this half baked story? One could already figure without the information that this is told from a grunt's perspective and not a CEO's. So no need to circle jerk with me bro. You can pull that off with people that don't know what was going on internally. You can pull that off with people who weren't in WHYSO. But you can't pull that off with someone who was there even before you even joined up.

      When it comes down to fleets. Ok you dudes were there and you brought 'some' numbers. But let's just say this was a smaller percentage than you're saying. But when it comes down to being taken advantage of? Again let's not circle jerk here. You knew what you were sitting on and your members were able to enjoy it just as much as you. And being treated like meat? Well … Were they? From what I could tell they weren't. I can't help it that you nor your guys didn't make the approach of actually associating with your alliance like you really should. I can't help it that your dudes refused to sit in the same channels on comms, yes there are other channels than meeting rooms dudes.

      The reason why you guys aren't here anymore is just because you guys couldn't deal with leadership. And whenever your directorate didn't get what they want from leadership … Well the tantrums ensued. It was just too hard for your guys to swallow it that the final decision wasn't theirs. In all seriousness … They can go cry me a river knowing how your directorate looked down upon other corps their directorate. Especially the nonsense about leadership being said to people in WHYSO, totally uncalled for. Last and certaintly not the least … Let's not forget how some of your dudes went along with things, including yourself. That being said … You are conscious about these and you should know better than to use 'comments' as a perfect illustration why your corp isn't with us anymore.

      As for using names in a post / comment. This is my name dude. If you would've paid attention and knew the core of WHYSO you would know. So I'm not even hiding behind a toon's name. How that for an approach of loyalty huh? Two can play that game …

      Thank you for wishing us the best. We'll do our best as we always have. We've never stopped being the fuel for this engine to burn. Fortunately we have nothing to prove you wrong with. We've proven what we had to prove and we made a point. Where have you been the last few months huh? Anyone who paid the attention and has been there since the very beginning knows WHYSO has already proven it's point. We know, the core of WHYSO, what we were and what we turned out to be. So yea … People like me, dave, lance, etc etc etc already know. How come you don't? Your best contribution would be to just quit making WHYSO the black sheep for your own problems …

      Those are my final 2 cents ever being spent at someone playing the circle jerk game …


      February 13, 2013 at 9:19 am Reply
      1. Professor Sorrenson

        Hi Fate,

        I think you should pay more attention to the article that you are reading. Its based on info anyone can surmise from basic DOT.LAND stats. And if a corp mate decided to give his opinion, well, I'm not going to chastise him for that. I'm not playing this game so that I can become a policeman and run around doing detective work.

        "The reason why you guys aren't here anymore is just because you guys couldn't deal with leadership."

        Really? Uh, maybe you didn't realize this but for a very brief time I was a part of leadership. I was the third man on the totem pole, so to speak, so I have some knowledge of where my decision to leave comes from.

        Let me be clear about the reason I made the decision to leave. This way, at least you can troll me properly from a fresh and better educated perspective.

        About two weeks ago I was in a meeting and leadership (Including myself) was debating the process of the Ship Replacement Program. I was informed that Rots had gone broke paying for ships out of his own pocket and ended up having to borrow from another member in order to continue doing this. I was asked if we (WHYSO) should go after Rots and demand that he pay the ISK back. My answer was "NO".

        20 MINUES LATER:
        We were discussing ships to give out to the winners of the weekly "Titty Tuesday" and "Thong Thursday" competition. (A competition held weekly where members post pictures of Tits and ass.) Here it was WHYSO couldn't put together a decent Ship Replacement Program for it's fleets which defend it's own sov but it could give away ships to the player who posted the best Titty pictures. And to add insult to injury, we actually got into an argument about this. Which ship to give away, the cost of the ship. Yadda yadda.

        Meanwhile our pilots had no resource if they lost a ship and the program that they put into effect was totally designed to work against the pilot himself.

        So when I walked out of that meeting I turned to my Directors and I said to them, "Guys, we're out of here."

        Hey, I like tits just as much as the next guy, sometimes, I actually dream about them. But I don't have to log onto Eve in order to see them.

        Oh yeah,.. did I mention to everyone out there reading this that we're recruiting?

        Fly Strong!!

        Professor Sorrenson
        CEO: Mad Scientist at Large!
        Zervas Aeronautics

        February 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm Reply
        1. Fiberton

          I told Rots awhile back when the ship replacement program of RA came up that we have a replacement program for all fleet fitted ships ..Subcap to Titan. Most Alliances do. If we derp 50 billion in dreads.. No fucks is given. That is what helps the fun level of Any Alliance. Even if you say .. fuck it.. and go in at 3 to 1 one odds and you know you will get obliterated.. but you do not give a shit..Killboards ? fuck killboards.. Video games are not real :)

          February 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm Reply
        2. Rots

          Here is the thing though, i never ran out of isk, i just saw that my model was not one used by bigger more outstanding alliances, theirfore i gave the program to peopel who had an interest in spreadsheets and industry organization. I also never borrowed any isk from the alliance, it was from a member of DOGGY who
          is a long time friend, and i used the money to produce income for the corp. IDK where the going after Rots thing comes from if you had been reading mails and listening for the last 2 months. Anyway, no harm done, all i can say is money was never used maliciously, and if you had your toon in the holding corp as every other CEO had rights to, you would see that.

          Anyway, the KB thing was a joke prof, chill out.

          February 13, 2013 at 3:40 pm Reply
          1. Professor Sorrenson

            I gotcha, my Bad on the kb thing.

            But the issue regarding the ISK borrowing and the ship replacement program was brought up to me directly by Schnook and Ach. That's how they explained it to me and asked for my opinion so I said it wasn't a big deal and to leave it alone. Plus I though it was commendable of you to go ahead and do that for the Alliance. Cheers on that one, man. If only everyone had been willing to work so hard for the collective there as you were.

            Oh yeah,… for all of you who are still reading this we're still recruiting!

            Fly Strong!!

            Professor Sorrenson
            CEO: Mad Scientist at Large!
            Zervas Aeronautics

            February 14, 2013 at 1:38 am
  29. Grunt

    Honestly, I don't see why there is so much fuzz about all this. Corporations come and go, alliances rise and fall. That is what makes EVE… well.. EVE?

    This happens on a daily basis with plenty of corporations and alliances, but why it has to be such big news about us.. that is beyond me.

    The fact that ZERVAS left, well shit happens right. They do what they think is best for them and well…. so be it. Who are all of us to judge?

    February 13, 2013 at 8:00 am Reply
  30. bystander

    What I find funny is how Whyso is treating this. Rather than using this to their advantage (which it most certainly can be used) many are pointing fingers and being childish. Any press is good press, even bad!

    This has put Whyso in the spotlight, which seems to have actually been a boon for them. If you look at the Dotlan stats you will see they have actually started regaining members.

    The sad part is though that the players from Whyso I have talked to all seem to feel the same way though, that Whyso only cares about the ISK they can take from others and not what can be reinvested into the alliance. Something that the leadership has not commented about, which leads me to believe that it is either true or possibly leadership not being able to properly account for which is equally bad.

    I only hope that Whyso can learn from this and adjust how the leadership handles itself, cause unless the leadership can start seriously explaining what is going on, the boon they are gaining from this publicity will instead backfire as more and more start to pick at the details and find even more flaws which will only lead to ruin.

    February 13, 2013 at 8:35 am Reply
  31. INK Dude

    Minos after all the "im not talking to you as a E24 reporter" conversations you still getting things wrong. Im sad to see you are not any better than Riverni (Hey Riv, when are you and 401K comming back to scalding pass? we had so much fun with you )
    On the part of Zervas they where the biggest corp in Why So but thay also where mostly noobies and wth them joining Tribal Band i think they joined more like minded corps there. In my eyes it was good for Why So to sheed the check corps as they where there on their own accord and was making a play to gain controll of the alliance and when they could't achive that they went all emo and left, good luck to Nulli having to deal with them.

    Also funny to see how RA are back paddeling after they realise that INK/WhySo/Darkspawn now fields over 300-400 man fleets between 3 alliances, while RA need to rely on their 30 other alliances to fill up a fleet. But their -A. ways of promising people the bears hide before the bear is hoot is just going to come back and bite them in the ass like it did with -A-;);)

    February 13, 2013 at 8:41 am Reply
    1. Fiberton

      400 ? What game are you playing ? What are we back peddling on ? Yea you sound legit ..:)

      February 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm Reply
    2. Theodore Lascaris

      Just shows how fucking stupid you are. At no point did ZERVA think they could take over whyso. They didn't want to.

      February 13, 2013 at 4:05 pm Reply
  32. INK Dude

    Minos after all the "im not talking to you as a E24 reporter" conversations you still getting things wrong. Im sad to see you are not any better than Riverni (Hey Riv, when are you and 401K comming back to scalding pass? we had so much fun with you )

    February 13, 2013 at 9:06 am Reply
  33. Ungrateful Bitch

    The "ungrateful bitch" owned the R-I-P alliance and it was hers to do with as she saw fit. And since no one but her knows the whole story behind the disbanding of said alliance, the stated comments are amusing. R-I-P members got a "serious" kick in the ass, a real butt hurt, but it didn't stop some of the asshole leadership from starting another alliance so they could do it all over again. To the leadership of Why So Serious may you rot in internet spaceship hell!

    February 14, 2013 at 2:38 am Reply
  34. gizzy

    this locked now? it wont let me reply to stuff!

    February 14, 2013 at 8:13 pm Reply
  35. HappyToDitchDetorid

    Detorid is a cesspool of small alliances playing power games and beating upon each other in a completely misguided approach to self-preservation. Eve nullsec is about uniting for survival, not wasting time and precious pilot attention in playing unimportant sov games with people you should partner with.

    February 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm Reply
  36. Grunt

    Why not?

    February 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm Reply
  37. Fate

    Why so serious bro?

    February 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm Reply

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