Seeing as how I was recently, along with many others, kicked from Test due to internal conflicts, I feel this is a good opportunity to address my fellow EVE players concerning the HBC without appearing as a traitor.

I was drawn to this game from watching the many videos of the great fleet fights of yesterday. I have read the stories of great EVE legends such as Band of Brothers, RAZOR Alliance, Morsus Mihi, Tau Ceti,Atlas, etc. Of course you cannot forget titans like Northern Coalition, Rooks & Kings, Pandemic Legion (of past) and Nulli Secunda who still to this day are home to some of the most skilled pilots in EVE history.

This is why the current state of Null sec saddens me. Null sec and therefore much of EVE has been held hostage by those who see the hoarding of ISK as more important than contributing to the growth and progression of EVE and its player base. We are all aware of the more recent developments in Null sec pertaining to the tension between HBC and CFC.

As a concerned member of Test I contacted Montolio and told him my thoughts regarding this situation. I expressed concern that he had basically allowed himself to be undermined and censored by Pandemic Legion. He assured me that this was far from over. I could not help but notice the contradiction between the statement he had released regarding his exchange with Shadoo and his response to my message.

Reading his statements while observing the interaction among Test members on Test forums, I was forced to come to the conclusion that this Alliance was no longer Montolio’s. He even created a poll thread asking who would support him and barely got 50% of responders to rally behind him.

I understand that many have ill feelings towards Montolio but I can tell you firsthand that Montolio is not the problem. Montolio is not the cancer in EVE. Montolio has no power. You’ve seen that in how quickly Shadoo was able to muzzle him. Test is nowhere near the new player friendly, fun-based “EVE Isn’t Serious Business” Alliance that Montolio initially built Test to be.

I will be forever grateful for Montolio taking me in and giving me a chance to grow as a new player in this harsh universe. Test now, however, along with Goonswarm has been overrun by people who have all but declared war on the very foundation of EVE: Freedom. These are the ones who drove me from Test for speaking truth. These people, like Shadoo have taken to themselves to stifle dissenting voices, conflict and anything else that gets in the way of their hoarding ISK and resources; but one must ask “for what”? What is the point of simply hoarding wealth in EVE without being willing to put the wealth to use in combat?

I now ask those legends I mentioned earlier to realize their role in this. They must accept the fact that they must be the ones to lead the rebellion against these people. EVE is in the hands of a select few who are on the verge of destroying the very core of what EVE is about. They seek to stifle all dissenting voices and crush any who come to null sec without bowing down to their agenda. NCDot, Nulli Secunda, Black Core Alliance, Razor Alliance, etc. Things aren’t the same as when you guys ruled Null sec. I do not see the same historic fights and fun I read about when I first joined EVE. It’s now a Blue Bureaucratic Bore. Many of us are tired of it, but we need you to lead the way as YOU were the ones who created the legends in the first place.

The EVE player is a special breed. It takes certain level of patience, maturity and intelligence to see the beauty in a game such as EVE Online. The EVE player takes pride in his/her ability to take charge of their fate in this world and write their own story. This freedom is slowly eroding because of the current state of things in null-sec.

– Max Doobie

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  1. Mark G

    "What is the point of simply hoarding wealth in EVE without being willing to put the wealth to use in combat?"

    Well, DUH!! When you can convert ISK into REAL money so easily, it's not too hard to figure out why the big power blocks are so reticent to just piss it away on silly things like major combat with supercaps and all. The russian corps are using Eve power blocks to make a living in the REAL world. Make that harder (or next to impossible) to do, and you'll see things change a WHOLE lot in Eve.

    February 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm Reply
    1. troll

      You seriously think that CCP is going to work against RMTing (in large alliance level). To be honest i wouldn't be surprised if some of the illegal income makes it's way directly to some of the CCP developers.

      Nothing will change in EvE unless players start voting with cancelled subscriptions.

      February 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm Reply
      1. AAAAaaaa

        Don't worry everyone, I got my Tin Foil hat on.

        February 4, 2013 at 7:00 pm Reply
      2. SuperPvp

        lol u dumbass

        February 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm Reply
    2. Zbyszek

      Damn right

      February 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm Reply
    3. Nyv

      Throwing everything at RMT isn't the solution either. There are a lot of players who accumulate a lot of wealth in nullsec, and don't want to use it to fight, without being implicated in RMT. A lot of people just don't stand to loose/use their money, even if it's of no use to them sitting in their wallets.

      February 4, 2013 at 5:47 pm Reply
    4. Bored Borat

      You are so upfilled with propaganda shit, its amazing. You think rmt is an only russian phenomenon? RMTing is inflationary used just for propaganda and u take it as obsession to feel fine by being on the good site of the universe.

      February 4, 2013 at 10:11 pm Reply
  2. BlackIron_S

    People are content to say Goons will slowly errode, they will die of boredom or lack of enemies. I would rather say I fought the swarm at the height of their glory and ground them to dust. I would like to say I was there during another great moment of the battle between space pixels. Yes it would take months of fights, blueballs, and structure grinding, but well the alternative is months of… nothing meaningful.

    February 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm Reply
    1. BCA Grunt

      Well said.

      February 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm Reply

    well written +1

    February 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm Reply
  4. Old guard guy

    EVE died when BOB died. Flame away!

    BOB forever!

    February 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm Reply
    1. N3 Ally

      It'd be pretty nice to see a return of BoB, and the old glory days of null warfare. Even see a small resurgance of players become insurgents within the alliances, break off and make their own,and start to go to war, like a chain reaction across the dash.

      But then again, a dream is a dream for a reason.

      February 4, 2013 at 7:30 pm Reply
      1. Lumpi

        BOB was not a good thing for 0.0 These mad Max campaignes, t20 scandal, some period of time they had the t2 monopoly and everybody else felt quite helpless with their t1 crap ships vs this. Worst was the attitude, who elite BOB treated their enemies. There are still arrogant BOB bitter vets out there and if I talk with them, they still have the same stupid attitude, though the reality made them dinosaurs. I do not want the dinosaurs to come back. But CCP need to do something to stop that blue donut coalition. If CCP not breaks this super-cartel, it will kill the game.

        February 4, 2013 at 7:45 pm Reply
        1. Old guard guy

          I am a BOB bitter vet. And yes, i do believe that i am better then you and i do believe that we were better then anyone at that point in game. And we were.
          t20 scandal, ffs get over it already! Thats not why BOB was better then you. BOB was better then you because of their skills at fighting. BOB, we were good at large scale fleet fights and even better at small scale PVP, at an individual level. Something like NC. and BL today. But way better.


          BOB forever!

          February 4, 2013 at 11:16 pm Reply
          1. nc.

            Large scale i think nc. would wipe the floor with BoB tbh. Small scale prolly not so much. We have A LOT of shit pilots that are barely more useful than the average goon at small scale pvp. But it's a moot argument.

            February 5, 2013 at 6:19 am
          2. Old guard guy

            Today, when all u have to do to win a fight is to blob and drop supers….maybe. but if we fight the old way, hands on subcaps or old school dreads vs dreads fights, trust me bro…u wouldnt stand a chance.

            Dont forget that WE invented pretty much anything in this game but blobing and supercaps mega fights, which destroyed the game actually.

            Im saying this with respect, dont get me wrong, you guys are good and curious to know if there are any guys left from the old TRI in your ranks, coz thats where NC. comes from mainly. I have high respect for TRI.

            The truth is, and most of wont like this at all, truth is that BOB was the best thing that ever happend to this game, almost right at the beginning and kept anyone on its toe. We beat everyone so many times in so manny ways that we taught EVE how to fight eventually. Our last gift to Eve was the alpha doctrine, we came up with it in IT times. When lag was hitting EVe hard and no one knew what to do, we had a meeting with all the FC`s and top pvp`ers came up with the solution of an alpha flett/doctrine, thats how Maels fleets were born. Then everyone else used it, almost imediatly, coz it worked.

            Anyway, BoB forever!

            February 5, 2013 at 7:00 am
          3. Endie

            "Bob forever" except that Bob doesn't exist. Because we beat you from 9-9 all the way to NOL, taking Detorid, Feythabolis, Esoteria, Tenerifis, Omist, Paragon Soul. Then we beat you in the North in Max Damage 1&2. Then in Fountain.

            Bob/Kenzoku/IT the rest are dead, son. And you were never all that great: you lost T20 and literally never won another war.

            February 5, 2013 at 10:20 am
          4. Dribbler

            they may not be around now, but at the time they were the big brother in EVE.

            No matter what people say about them they were good at what they did, but like most old factions they were beaten by younger blood (as well as back door tactics), especially without that it would have taken a grind much like Goons trying to kick out NC. from Tribute.

            but Kenzoku are still around so i don't see what the person above is talking about lol, last time i saw them was in Retirement Club, so think before you talk shite mate lol

            but one thing ill admit, is that when BoB was around it was interesting lol and less of a Donut going on lol..

            February 5, 2013 at 11:02 am
          5. Old guard guy

            No son, u never beat us. Detorid, Feyth, Eso, Tenerifs, Omist, Paragon Soul? U call that victories? LOL! WE vacated them coz the logistics of holding all those regions was pure hell. There were no Jf`s back then, and fueling all the poses to maintain sov was a nightmare, plus we had hardly any blues, like all u losers have now to rent them space or give them regions to be a meatshield like u all do now.
            And Max Damage campaigns, they were the best thing that happend to your sorry ass alliances coz we brought war to your doorstep and kept your grunts flying and shooting other players, forced them to become better by doing this rather then have them rat and plex their asses off and becoming just fat carebears like all of u are right now.
            War is good to EVE, endless war, with no blue fests, no NAPS, no NIPS, no behind closed door deals to destroy this great game.

            WE gave u a gift, remember? The gift of war.

            And EVE was a better place because of that wonderful gift.

            And when we went down, the first time, we went down fighting. We went down like men. We lost EVERYTHING in a moment, by treason but we never gave up. We kept on fighting for months on end with no stations and no space. We defended every POS, we fought on every station, on every gate of our beloved Delve. we were logging off in space not nowing if that ss will still be there safe tomorow.

            And what goons did when they lost, by pure stupidity, 19% of thei possesions ? They packed their shit and runned like chicken, they didnt stand up and fight not ONE time! So dont talk about defeating us.

            That never ever happend son. Go back to the history books of EVE and shut the hell up kid.

            BOB forever!

            February 5, 2013 at 11:10 am
          6. alu

            bob were cheating cunts with devs on ther side as soon as devs were found out the were crushed under goon boots

            February 5, 2013 at 4:09 pm
          7. Old guard guy

            Oh, did i hit a nerve there? Ntz..ntz..ntz… Here`s a candy, now go fetch!

            February 5, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    2. Technerfium

      Even though I have always hated BOB/KENZ/IT I actually agree with what Old Guard is saying, I dont think that was the intention of BOB when it began but inadvertantly they did give us alot of good fights… and the 'gift of war'
      And yeh I remember when the alphamaels were first used, and the old NC/Goons were just like WTF IZ THIS SHIT! lol good times.

      February 5, 2013 at 5:21 pm Reply
  5. The Third World

    The attitudes of Goons/PL/the TEST described in your article can be compared to a revolutionary who takes over a country. His whole reason for existence was to fight injustice, enact revolutionary change, etc. etc. Then when he gains power, he suddenly has access to enormous wealth–and he sees no reason why that should change. Gone is the fighting spirit, the drive for revolution and change; he has simply become another despot whose only interest is enriching himself.

    February 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm Reply
  6. n3biatch

    Well if RMT is the Russian excuse.. what is Shadoo's excuse ? Does he also RMT? Is that why he wont risk his techmoons? EVE is just not about good fights.. it's about conquest and breaking your enemy's.. take everything away from them and send them to highsec. So even if sov warfare might be broken it's still a important part of what EVE is all about. Without sov warfare you wont be able to put EVERYTHING on the line!

    February 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm Reply
    1. srsly man


      February 4, 2013 at 8:59 pm Reply
    2. Twisted Girl (PL)

      shadoo excuse is that he accually enjoy enjoying playing a game as a game and not a fulltime job.

      February 5, 2013 at 6:17 am Reply
      1. alu

        no shadoo sux goon dick for tech simple hes mittens hand puppet

        February 5, 2013 at 4:15 pm Reply
  7. TEST Shortbus

    Holy shit that stuff is so wrong on so many levels claiming the writer is someone within TEST is bullshit.

    I'm sorry anyone with half a brain would know that to go to war you need to have the means to do so and TEST at this time does not have the means to do so. We're at least a year away from that alliance wise and coalition wise don't even get me started and the reason it is that way especially coalition wise is because of Montolio. He pushed people he liked into positions of power even though they had no clue what they where doing some even didn't play the game but where responsible to distributing space and resources among HBC alliances. Do not even get me started on the chaos that is TEST alliance leadership structure right now and how much effort it takes to clean up that mess.

    February 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm Reply
    1. Charles Darwin

      Getting booted from TEST is a real achievement, however it's pretty clear from your article that you're just the kind of pubbie sperglord that should stay in high sec.

      February 4, 2013 at 6:11 pm Reply
      1. Rkanon

        Goons…the other stupid meat.

        February 4, 2013 at 11:46 pm Reply
    2. rane

      u are soooo full of shit mate… if TEST with its 12K toon alone cant go to war then no one can… even if thay have no money, thay can do fuck load of dmg just with huge drake fleets… so please do tell me how UNready TEST is.

      February 4, 2013 at 6:59 pm Reply
      1. recollector1973

        Drake fleets?



        February 4, 2013 at 9:15 pm Reply
        1. FailCascade

          Drakes still have the one thing that makes them special; battleship grade tank on a battlecruiser. They can still serve as a handy meatshield, just don't expect them to kill much.

          February 4, 2013 at 10:23 pm Reply
      2. Guest

        psh, drakes were so last year

        February 4, 2013 at 9:50 pm Reply
    3. peace_out

      This guy actually knows what he's talking about. First time here I've seen someone lay down the truth. And that truth is harsh, but if we acknowledge it we can start working on overcoming it. The reason Shadoo convinced Monti to back down is because TEST is not ready. I'm sorry for all the TEST guys who think otherwise, but that's the truth. Test operations in the Delve war would have collapsed entirely without PL supplied FCs and organizational logistics and CFC numbers. Yet there is a kind of hubris present among TEST members now, a feeling of invincibility. They feel that the world is their oyster and that they can conquer anyone. But the truth is different. TEST pilots and the alliance itself still need to grow. Fleet operations is the foremost of the things that needs to be worked on. As it stands now, TEST would not be able to sustain a campaign against a decent enemy without operational planning and FCs supplied by PL. Steamrolling some pets by sheer weight of numbers they could still do, but fighting a decent enemy is out of the question. I know it sounds harsh, but I'm laying it down how I see it. TEST has learned a lot in this last year from PL and that's a good thing, but there is much more that still needs to be done. The CFC is an extremely competent adversary, and if you want to go against them you've got to be ready. That means being ready for several months of fighting and grinding and metagameing so you can wear the enemy down. TEST does not have the capability to do that yet. Like a boxer it needs to do endurance training in order to be able to fight in the match at all.

      Now, you can negrep this post to hell if you want, but it will still not make what I've said untrue. In such situations denying the problem does not make it go away. It has to be confronted and TEST needs to overcome it. In the last few months I have seen Monti get more and more detached from the reality of the state TEST is in, riding on the hubris wave of the conquests in the South. I can understand that he wants to push TEST to do big things, but you cannot do that before you have the means to do. Having seen his reactions in the last 2 months, it seems to me like he suffered a psychological burnout. I do hope that he wil recover from it during this chillout period he's taken and start to keep his feet on the ground again. If he does that then things can be done. If not TEST will be in for a really rocky period.

      PS. Just a callout to all the people complaining about sov warfare. Deal with it. Conquering a region is much easier these days then it was before. Essentially it's only a numbers game now. If you have more bodies you will win the sov warfare. If you're dead set on a system and you have the warm bodies you will conquer it within the time necessary for the 3 reinforce timers. Gone are the days when you could fight an overwhelming enemy and come on top of it, like the famous 1 month defence of C-J by the old RA against Lotka Volterra. If todays mecanics were in place then, C-J would have fallen within 7 days. So just deal with it. I don't care if you've got an attention deficit desorder and can't be arsed to do some work.

      February 5, 2013 at 12:11 pm Reply
  8. Jesus Loves You

    "These are the ones who drove me from Test for speaking truth. These people, like Shadoo have taken to themselves to stifle dissenting voices, conflict and anything else that gets in the way of their hoarding ISK and resources"

    I could not have said this better myself. At least we hear (part of) the truth here whereas the truth about 0.0-tech is being censored 100% on the shittani website (I for example can no longer post there from my home IP address, but it seem to work from other places :D).

    February 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm Reply
  9. sreggin wej

    "He even created a poll thread asking who would support him and barely got 50% of responders to rally behind him."

    Say 80% and you'll be close to the truth. The 20 other being german botters and other goonlovers hoping to leave TEST to join their masters.

    February 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
  10. DubbaYooArr

    Nicely said. I am only several months old and joined this game for the same reasons you did after reading about Eve and following it for months before joining. But as you said, this isn't the environment I was expecting. I hope another Great War is on the horizon as it became clear people are itching for it with the battle of Asakai but come on, this excuse of boring sov war is stupid. Sov was is a catalyst for fleet fights in Eve. TEST and Goons had no problem conquering the universe through boring sov war but now when the great powers are teetering on the edge of a Great War, sov grinding becomes 'unbearable' and boring? Come on. Its a game! Play it!

    February 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm Reply
    1. idiotpolice

      The problem with the EVE stories great though they are is they are short versions of long stories. Northern Collation took about 3-4 months of structure grinding to wear down BUT the story now is shortened to NC died bigwoop! If there is a TEST/GOON war not the great war but the "cripple war" it will take a long time and be epically boring….until after.

      February 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm Reply
  11. Nignignignigspic

    Welcome to EVE Online…

    The place where nullsec alliances are behind one of the most well thought out RMT operations in history.
    The place where Devs have a leading hand in said RMT operations.
    The place where China has more freedom then CFC and HBC combined.
    The place where CCP does nothing to fix the issue, if anything, they prolong it.

    And there's nothing that can be done unless it's proven that Devs have a hand in this, and the player base unsubscribes in protest.

    Enjoy it while you can, for EVE will collapse upon itself and CCP is the only one to blame.

    February 4, 2013 at 6:16 pm Reply
    1. srsly man

      i don't understand how the best way to combat the RMT market that ccp has been able to come up with is competing in it themselves, at non-competitive prices at that. how bout make plex/montly sub $10/mo, will it still be worth it for them? how bout $5. the only way to kill rmt is make the montly sub/plex cheap enough where ITS NOT WORTH IT for the black RMT market, especially since You can actually pay for your game sub with game money..

      February 4, 2013 at 8:56 pm Reply
  12. Just Bob

    "He even created a poll thread asking who would support him and barely got 50% of responders to rally behind him."

    wat. did you even look at the picture you linked?
    778 people voted yes they would be behind him.
    172 said no.
    and 471 people also clicked on the choice labeled "checkbox"

    February 4, 2013 at 6:19 pm Reply
    1. srsly man

      wow, TEST is a not the brightest bunch are they..

      February 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm Reply
      1. BOB 2.0

        Apparently TEST has a large contingent in Florida. 471 members to be exact.

        February 4, 2013 at 8:58 pm Reply
        1. Hutt Overlord

          I think we need a recount.

          February 5, 2013 at 4:35 am Reply
  13. Eh...

    Well who exactly is left to fight the big powerblocks, Hmmm?

    N3? Getting a bit too cosy with HBC.
    Solar? Also starting to show signs that they wouldnt mind working with the CFC.

    Who does that leave us with? Provi.
    Yes guys, lets all rally behind Provi, surely theyll be willing to fight off the rest of EVE….

    February 4, 2013 at 6:27 pm Reply
    1. Now that's a plan. Let's destroy the Provi carebears alliances. They are another bunch of stale entities that have had that space far too long. Lets wipe em out and leave the area free for all and see who comes along to take it.

      February 4, 2013 at 6:34 pm Reply
      1. Really?

        Yes I can see your logic here.

        Lets try and destroy the most active patch of nullsec space and the only place people who arent part of the snorefest have a chance to dip their toes into nullsec.

        Yeah, lets just turn it into just another region of stale so that the circle can finally be completed and the blue donut can be realised.

        February 4, 2013 at 6:49 pm Reply
        1. alu

          lol fk all happens in provi part from carebearing and mining

          February 4, 2013 at 10:14 pm Reply
    2. point of view

      Lets see N3 is as of right now beating down any hope of any New Groups growing, NC dot is a tyrant power with only there own interest at heart, They are PL mark 2. PL holds Sov, it just doesnt show on the map, How many Tec moons do they own in Venal? PL are money grubbing whores im my opinion. Id never help NC dot, they beat neighbors down and whine the neighbors dont help when someone bigger comes along. PL will never attack anyone capable of actually giving them a real fight. Its just to risk averse, cant threaten our Tec farms, Can we?

      February 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm Reply
      1. Smellypirate

        Point of view, your opinion is funny, especially when referring ncdot as a tyrant, just becaus they hammer you doesn't mean they are tyrants, infact only reason ncdot are slaughtering solar for the god knows how manyth time is due to solar being greedy fucks and starting a second front against them in the northern war. Ncdot likes to keep solar bloc around for gfs but they were too greedy for there own good, hence why ncdot are making an effort to make solar bloc pay for there oversights!

        February 4, 2013 at 11:50 pm Reply
        1. point of view

          Tyrant is what Tyrant is, call it like I see it, you form a new alliance and try to stand up to a group who isnt using super capital, Insert sarcasm here. They are so Elite, They helped SONE relieve themselves of Sov, I was there, were you? Neighbors who shoot you arent good neighbors, whatever about goodfights. Goodfights are brought with similar things, PL is what PL is. Solar has always done whats in there own interest, They are independant and not Triple A, who helped set up this current situation so new groups could grow and then later leave them under a bus they drove in and are now riding in. Thing is SOlar lets pets operate with autonomy, thats more than most would do. As far as any deal with anyone switching sides from Solar to N3 it wont be me.

          February 5, 2013 at 1:38 pm Reply
      2. orz

        You do know that N3 stands for NCDOT, Nulli Secunda, and…Nexus Fleet, right? If you aren't familiar with Nexus Fleet, they barely have any characters older than 2012 in their alliance. It's a swarm of newbies doing the Lord's own work with Rifters, Ruptures, and Hurricanes.

        There's a lot of newer players and groups amongst N3. It's not all Nulli Secunda and Tri Mk7238 bittervets, although they certainly are the driving force behind the bloc.

        February 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm Reply
    3. Goon grunt

      Nobody was there to help when it was -A- VS EVE

      February 5, 2013 at 2:32 am Reply
  14. War observer

    Non of those alliances would dear to oppose big blue doughnut, else why would end up like -A-.

    All of them took -A-'s faith as object lesson of what will happen top everyone that defies null isk oligarchy. Only 6's months ago one of the most powerful pvp alliances, if not the most powerful, is now effectively gone and it's best FC are decorations on Bluedoo's wall, hanging there in humiliation like stuffed trophies.

    Even small entities like coven had to be forced out, for oligarchy will suffer no opposition for it my represent threat of good example. Idea that people in 0.0 might have something else to do then be pawns in the hands of douchebags like Bluedoo and Mitani mist be eradicated.

    And this is how 0.0 will stay as long as there is no massive change in mechanics of power projection and ability to blob. Kings of the caps and blobs will rule.

    February 4, 2013 at 6:54 pm Reply
    1. PL Dude

      You are definitely MAD!!

      February 6, 2013 at 10:24 am Reply
  15. alu

    3 letters say it all RMT while these leaders are in charge there reaping rel life money for u the grunts hard work sov grinding ya u get new shiney ships if u lose one while these guys are building up ther rl bank balances and killing the game

    February 4, 2013 at 6:55 pm Reply
    1. The Insider

      Yea you get internet spaceships, they make car payments, vacations etc, These knucleheads have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. lol

      February 5, 2013 at 7:23 pm Reply
    2. Squinty McBlindy

      Spot on. Everyone knows that the leaders of the blue donut are making tons of RL cash but CCP totally ignores it.
      It's sickening.
      At least BoB only wanted to win at internet spaceships, not make an actual RL living from moongoo.

      February 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm Reply
  16. EVE_Dude

    "NCDot, Nulli Secunda, Black Core Alliance, Razor Alliance, etc."

    Yeah, they're all fighting each other.

    February 4, 2013 at 6:59 pm Reply
  17. whatever

    Montolio built TEST, you heard it here first.

    February 4, 2013 at 7:06 pm Reply
  18. Debiru

    When taking your sov and place in nullsec, sov warfare "makes fights". When you own space in nullsec (arguably the best space in nullsec), sov warfare is "boring and tedious."

    It's just the leadership of the two coalitions can't stand the risk of losing some of their precious space to the other. Rather than have a winner and a loser, they'd rather have no war at all.

    This is a game, and people get bored of nothing pretty quick. Say what you will about us in the Drone Coalition, we're having fights, we're having fun, most of us are also still making ISK. All while sov grinding. All while at war with some of the best alliances in the game (PL, NC., Nulli all coming after us). These complaints about sov warfare are pathetic and transparent excuses to prevent them from losing their precious space and income, nothing more.

    In short, Shadoo and Mittani have lost the balls it takes to engage in a real pitched war. A war they stand a chance of losing isn't a war they're willing to wage anymore, now that they're fat and cozy with tech and Deklein.

    February 4, 2013 at 7:26 pm Reply
  19. nc.

    Plz don't lump us into a sentence with anyone from the cfc. Kthnxbye

    February 4, 2013 at 7:27 pm Reply


    February 4, 2013 at 7:52 pm Reply
  21. Scoobie Doobie

    Max Doobie says "Truth"


    February 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm Reply
  22. thissux

    this article is so god dam dumb it hurts my brain

    February 4, 2013 at 7:57 pm Reply
  23. BOB 2.0

    Step 1. Build High Sec Industrial Empire capable of building 2,000 battleships and an additional 5,000 support ships a week.
    Step 2. Branch into LowSec to start building Capital Ships and into Wormhole space to build Tier 3's.
    Step 3. Stage hundreds of fully fit fleets all over high and lowsec ready to go at a moments notice.
    Step 4. Find at a minimum 3000 Non-Alt pilots willing to fight a year long war, knowing full well that they are going to loose most battles (quite badly) for a very long time to come. Hopefully in enough different timezones to keep battles going for 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
    Step 5. Train that group into functional fleets while weeding out and replacing the 1,000 or so that are almost certainly Goon plants.
    Step 6. Do all of this without massive attrition due to boredom and/or massive corp theft and/or being riddled with spies and/ore being noticed by the Null empires and smashed in the cradle.
    Step 7. Attack Null. Be prepared for a year long constant war of blog fests and attrition.

    I don't see the problem here? Anyone could do this right?

    February 4, 2013 at 8:22 pm Reply
    1. Just Bob

      Yeah i love going to wh space to build tier threes

      February 4, 2013 at 8:28 pm Reply
      1. Just Bob 1.2

        Don't we all love mining, manufacturing and then going to lose all that we build?

        The other mentioned things are piece of cake.

        So… Lets go go go!

        February 4, 2013 at 8:50 pm Reply
      2. BOB 2.0

        Woops! Lol, T3's not Tier 3's.

        PS: I hope you all realize this was tong in cheek sarcasm.

        February 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm Reply
    2. Aonus

      Im sorry but this made my day. Good post sir. It gave me a good chuckle.

      Now to get back to building the 2,000 battleships to meet this week's quota.

      February 5, 2013 at 9:24 am Reply
    3. Fazor Fire

      If Goons were attacked they would loose a couple of battles and then blame us for it before retreating to high sec to save assets. The war would won or lost in a couple of battles but if things went bad we would be blamed for being care bears…

      February 5, 2013 at 9:37 am Reply
  24. LGND

    Molle and BOB need to come back in full force. I'm sure there's 1000's of people that would flock to them with the hope of making 0.0 fun again. Things just havn't been the same since Bob and IT died.

    February 4, 2013 at 9:05 pm Reply
  25. N3 Bros

    It's very kind of you to be so positive about Nulli. Although I will point out Nulli is very proud to be allied with all it's co alliances in N3 and has a great deal of respect for all of them. We are lucky to have them as allies. N3 is the new guard in EvE coalitions. We can't promise to solve all of EvEs problems but we welcome anyone who enjoys regular and fun PvP in Null sec.

    February 4, 2013 at 9:09 pm Reply
  26. PL squadie

    PL saved your alliance from slaughter vs the south then with the current war of words and FA lust, not to say we don't fully agree with good old mad monty. Why do you think we like him?

    We love the idea to be honest, but do you really think Test is able to take on goons or just FA alone.. and how long would it remain one to one? About 10 seconds?

    -A- made the fundamental mistake of positioning themselves as the 'elitist outsider' (lol) and not playing the longer game of diplomacy backed up by force. Timing is everything.

    February 4, 2013 at 9:58 pm Reply
    1. Bob

      Just FA alone? U serious?

      I hate TEST but come on…. FA is a complete joke

      February 5, 2013 at 1:05 am Reply
    2. Ex-A-

      No regrets.

      February 5, 2013 at 7:27 pm Reply
  27. dualmotkany

    Eve news lololololololo

    February 4, 2013 at 10:14 pm Reply
  28. FailCascade

    "It’s now a Blue Bureaucratic Bore"

    More like Bluereaucratic Bore, am I right?

    Thank you, I'll be here all week.

    February 4, 2013 at 10:24 pm Reply
  29. Seraph IX Basarab

    Good read. The unspoken answer is of course RMT. I don't know why Russians only get blamed for that but I suspect it happens in just about every successful alliance.

    February 4, 2013 at 10:27 pm Reply
  30. Dave from FA

    Honey Badgers more like battered beavers when it comes to tech – got you in our pocket

    February 5, 2013 at 12:08 am Reply
    1. alu

      and foons have u in there for tech hahahaha dumb nigga

      February 5, 2013 at 4:16 pm Reply

    sadly, the only thing that ccp considers is the bottom line. You're only option is to unsub. CCP wouldn't be allowing this state of affairs if they didn't benefit from it somehow. The people responsible are plainly visible to all of us, and yet nothing is done.

    You have to speak with your wallet, and unsubscribe.
    You have to stop buying plexes.
    This war will only be won by cutting off CCP's income, and thus forcing them to end the de jure empire that is nul sec.

    Let me ask you why, if you are like me and got involved in eve for the epic sov warfare that we've read about from the past, why are you still playing?

    February 5, 2013 at 12:31 am Reply
    1. Really?

      Sick and tired of people blaming CCP for the current situation.

      Yes the Sov mechanics suck, but the sov mechanics arent what brought about the current state of political power blocks in EVE and despite what they may claim, it also isnt the reason they wont fight eachother.

      Players made Nullsec the way it is today and expecting CCP to change that is just downright silly.

      February 5, 2013 at 4:31 am Reply
  32. Twisted Girl (PL)

    Btw its not about noone wanting to not have a war and see a lot of explotions, its more about that anyone in charge and with a lot of experince in sov warfare know/understand that to accually have a change in hell of winning a offensive campain you gotto be willing to sell your soul and sit pushing fleets and coordinating fleets with multiple alliances nonstop for 2-3 mothns.

    Are you willing to spend your entire vecation time this year without beeing with your family , staring at the screen for 2.5mothn 16hours a day? A person that accually havent done it before might be inclined to say yes, however anyone that have done it more than once will say most likerly say fuck it, I rather pill my own eyeballs out with a spoon than not having a social life and live like a bum for the next 3 mothns.

    February 5, 2013 at 2:13 am Reply
    1. Twisted Girl (PL)

      Tho feel free to whine about fcs with multiple campaines under their beltsnot willing to waste 3 mothns of their life dedicated unpaid for your pleasure in a internett spaceship game. The typical pubbie that whines about it have no idea how grusome it can be trying to push those fleets, since you cant let your guard down ever. And besides the first 2-3 massive fights the chance of seeing the epic supercap battle is rather slim, as soon as 1 party realices they are acually loosing they will be evaced to nearest low sec, and all the following supercap losses gonna be the retards caught trying to move on their own after the rest is gone.

      February 5, 2013 at 2:18 am Reply
      1. SovIsSoHardSadPanda

        This is the worst excuse for being a content killing coward ! If you don't want to PLAY eve unsub. Don't just sit there bitching about how it's so hard to not be a RMT poof ! . It's not like they are asking you personally to do it . Shit you have like 95k pilots use them. Pathetic Legion. Being pathetic since 2010.

        February 5, 2013 at 2:31 am Reply
        1. Twisted Girl (PL)

          please show me a campaine you accually have lead? What was your result? Will you do it again? and I havent accualy lead any campaines, but simply day to day fcing and helping out during almost any pl campaines since 2009 have been horrible enough.
          and I can accually take a break now and then without that meaning everything falls apart. However If shadoo/vince/other major players had talen a lenghty break during a major invation stuff would have fallen appart rather quickly and all offensives would have been halted.

          Any Most of the failcascading alliances have been failing just because their leaders wasnt willing to put 100% effort into the game during times of stress for mothns at a time.

          February 5, 2013 at 2:43 am Reply
          1. DBoy

            My god your grammer is horrible!

            February 5, 2013 at 3:55 am
          2. Twisted Girl (PL)

            english is not my native language.

            February 5, 2013 at 4:11 am
          3. Twisted Girl (PL)

            Feel free to speak in norwegian tho

            February 5, 2013 at 4:12 am
          4. nc.

            Lol dominated.

            February 5, 2013 at 6:09 am
          5. Stainless


            February 5, 2013 at 7:09 am
          6. Spunk


            February 5, 2013 at 5:07 am
          7. Stainless

            "I havent accualy lead any campaines"

            Exactly. stop regurgitating shit you read on PL forums and grow a brain of your own.

            February 5, 2013 at 6:47 am
          8. Stainless

            Quote "Any Most of the failcascading alliances have been failing just because their leaders wasnt willing to put 100% effort into the game during times of stress for mothns at a time. "

            Your leader has not logged in for 2 years…….. and shadoo put the breaks on 40k players because he couldn't be arsed.

            Quote " I can accually take a break now and then without that meaning everything falls apart"

            You said yourself you dont lead campains.. if you didn't log in no one would notice TBH

            Shoot your self IRL

            February 5, 2013 at 6:54 am
      2. Twisted Girl (PL)

        As a Fc and as person loving to see things explode, I wanna see massive explotions, not 2 mothns of blueballing and sov grinds. the second you annonce HAY LETS INVADE THE NORTH, everyone up north worth a penny gonna be riskadverse as fuck after loosing a few battles, blueball you on 80% of the timer and you will prob blueball them on the other 19% of the timers since when you dont outnumber the enemy duder 2:1 . Every super will have orders not to log on untill the outcome is certain, and no fc accually thinking its a chance in hell of loosing the support battle will not commit any supers.
        Any DBRB`ish fc willing to take massive chances and jump to a fight in a unfavourable posision, taking all the wrong chooses and leading their own supercap fleet to their certain doom is quiet frankly rare, since nature tends to get them fired/killed long before they reach collition level fcing. (I still love you dbrb, and Im not saying you did exactly that<3)

        Atleast that is what history tells us. Its the nature of humans and eve online players.

        Welcome to eve online.

        February 5, 2013 at 2:35 am Reply
        1. Stainless

          "As a Fc" seriously?

          You aren't an FC you an F1 buttmonkey.

          February 5, 2013 at 6:44 am Reply
    2. War observer

      STFU you lying peace of shit. If you were so averse to grinding sov why did you start Delve war, why did you clear coven + stain sov, why are you grinding solar ally space now? PL is nothing but a bunch of greedy faggots with no guts to fight a fight they might potentially lose, but will gladly grind undefended structures form dusk to down.

      February 5, 2013 at 7:11 am Reply
      1. bupi

        You do realise they wiped PNG and Against all anomalies out right? You people on Evenews 24 should really start to think about things in a more neutral matter, and facing facts, no matter if they have no intetions to attack cfc whatsoever, even they have a point, the only interesting matter is a defensive war, offense sucks atm and theres nothing to argue about, its a fact. PNG and AAA were easy targets and with NCDot also fighting there the sov grind of SOLARs goin faster. Just wait until the SOV grind will be changed due to stagnation, id say latest adte is summer expansion

        February 5, 2013 at 8:19 am Reply
      2. PL Dude

        Wow U MAD?!!

        February 6, 2013 at 10:21 am Reply
    3. The_Oracle86

      you need to go back to wow

      February 5, 2013 at 10:07 am Reply
  33. Null grunt

    Why hoard isk and not use it in combat?

    The answer, they hoard isk to RMT it.

    February 5, 2013 at 3:18 am Reply
  34. Max Doobie

    I very much appreciate you all reading my thoughts, whether you agree or disagree. My point is that all voices should be heard, and I am thankful to Riverini for allowing me his platform to give my perspective.

    Null sec is slowing becoming hostile to those who speak out against it's current direction. That needs to change. As I said before, the foundation of EVE is the embracing of a player's individuality and creativity. This needs to be maintained by us, the player-base, be it through rebellion or simply unsubbing and demanding CCP fix SOV mechanics.

    February 5, 2013 at 5:18 am Reply
    1. Testy Testie

      From what I heard, you got all butt mad when you tried to fuck over Nynjato and got your ass handed to you.

      February 6, 2013 at 12:00 am Reply
      1. Max Doobie

        Have them give you proof of this. For once in your life, stop being a sheep and actually require evidence before you believe what you are told.

        February 6, 2013 at 3:21 pm Reply
    2. BntyHunter

      I loved it. I think its pretty right on.

      Us older players IMO do have a responsibility to keeping Eve fun and not letting ISK sellers run the show.

      A lot of former players are now Devs/GM`s and TBH most where in the giant empires, and I dont think they feel anything is broken.

      It`s as plain as day IMO. I do think moon minig is way broken but this problem is far beyond just that now. But just as they changed the moon mining when BoB got to powerful off it, they need to do the same now.

      Then they need to change the SOV system again, just like when BoB ran 00 sec. SOV now is ok for lazy landlords and doesnt reward working the SOV as much as moon mining and renting it.

      Also now that there is soooo much riches in these few guys hands it has become an arms race but its clearly a lopsided one where groups from the north can not only moon mine but also rent/give away space for allegiance.

      SOV should be IMO not a formal thing but an ingame equalibrium where the group that "Owns" that area can patrol it and guard it from any real harm….We need to be able to hit Tech POS`s and steal the days take making the moon miner have to defend everyday or get nothing. Set a 1hour timer where a string box can hold 1 days worth of tech, and so the alliance has 1 hour to respond to the attack…

      This would be like real war where you could starve your enemy and steal the food. Not just Refing a POS but actually stealing.

      Raiding needs to happen badly for the small tight units to be able to harass a goon type force and cut off its supply….ISK shouldnt flow every day with 0 work and right now it is. This would give way to real "Pirates" and not guys in losec killing people.

      February 6, 2013 at 2:02 am Reply
      1. Max Doobie

        I agree.

        Thank you for the support and response. Hopefully you have been inspired to use your influence, as a veteran, to push for changes, because this game is in serious trouble IMO.

        February 6, 2013 at 3:23 pm Reply
  35. The_Oracle86

    I like your post. Null sec needs to become the grenade playground it once was, the CFC and HBC need to duke it out. In reality they need to both be obliterated and wiped from the map in order to restore eve to what it once was. In their present states they're simply suffocating the fun out of null sec……

    February 5, 2013 at 10:11 am Reply
  36. OhGodWhy?

    They could just take away titans. See what results from that? Hell why not moms too.

    February 5, 2013 at 5:40 pm Reply
  37. Someotherguy

    What's needed is a REVOLUTION and a leader. If a leader with respect in Eve can call carebear and pvp'er, pirate and explorer to their banner to invade 0.0 space from Empire, building capitals, alliances, a new anti-coalition coalition won't be needed. Think Asakai in 30 systems at the same time. Every piece of hardware at CCP may crash however, which would be interesting in and of itself. Asakai showed one major thing – that no matter how hated TEST is, no matter who was where, in what, or how many tits there were tackled, many of Eve would want to be part of it. Part of something bigger, something that forces change. There is no Coalition that can kill TEST or Goons whether it be will or ISK or politics or tidi…. the only way this can happen is if 30,000 players invade, die and invade again null, and rampage – burn it all. Who knows what will emerge out of the rubble.

    February 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm Reply
    1. Concerned Citizen


      February 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm Reply
  38. Anne Rand

    Stepping back from the whole "EvE is Broken" argument I cannot help but wonder: "Where is CCP in all this?" Many bitter vets have expressed various opinions and gripes with the EvE-way of life. Yet I hear nothing from CCP.
    Hilmar or any of his senior personnel have not ever come out and accepted /debunked the bitter vet issue.

    Its almost like there is a cheating husband but the wife turns a blind eye because hubby is giving her a life of opulence.
    You know what I am saying??

    February 6, 2013 at 1:12 am Reply
  39. RMT is the cancer

    You really asked where all this ISK is going to???


    These VERY few leaders do not work at all as there is no need for them to do so.

    I DO know of peeps that got up to 6.000 US$ a month on a regular basis…any questions?

    February 6, 2013 at 9:39 am Reply
  40. DrDooma

    'They' are not the problem. You don’t have to bring down an alliance to have fun.

    You can spend your time camping a gate, sitting in station or busting gate camps. If there are no fleets, make one and kill what you can and leave what you cant till next time. You can help alliance but if the alliance does not help you, why bother?

    The reality is, you do make a difference not just when you do something but also when you don’t.

    February 7, 2013 at 10:43 am Reply

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