X-Trading

One of the richest industrial corp The X-Trading Company, part of Razor (and Goons) was hit with a 1.3 trillion heist!!! Details and a Q&A with a well informed source below!

A week ago, EN24 got a short tip regarding the “X-Trading Company, the self-proclaimed richest German corp in EVE, the word on the street was for X-Trading to have been scammed for about 2,000 billion isk in assets and money. They decided to leave -RZR- some months ago and are now desperately looking for a new home where they can rebuild, trimming their fat, abandoning their “forever communism” philosophy and are generally trying to reposition themselves.”

Yet, to this day The X-Trading Company [XT] resides within RAZOR Alliance.

The details were sketchy, so I got my shovel and went digging. It seems that XT is indeed filthy space-rich, an old industrial crop, of about 200 members.I was able to contact someone who had reliable and detailed information on what happened. Unfortunately, he asked for anonymity. I sent mail and convo requests to the CEO and managing directors of the corp, none answered back.

riverini’s note: Just for the record, I have confirmed that the interviewed party did belonged to the X-Trading Corp until recently – yet we will respect his anonymity. Despite all this all we got is rumors and an interview from a insider. There are however certain verifiable facts which do fit in our interviewee’s statements, yet take this with a grain of salt.

Here is the transcript of our conversation:

EN24: Would you like to comment on the rumored two trillion heist that hit The X-Trading Company [XT], which is part of RAZOR Alliance.
Informant: It was not really 2 trillion Isk.

EN24: How much then?
Informant: Near 1.3 trillion in total. All their Hi-Sec assets and those in an alt-corp, with a small amount in minerals, near 45 billion, and nearly 20 billion in cash.

EN24: who did it?
Informant: this question i prefer not to answer.

EN24: Fair enough. How did it happen?
Informant: They were moving all their assets down from the north, to highsec and lowsec, [it seems this was part of Razor move to assist Solar Fleet], and then “someone” who had the rights, and was tasked with moving the assets, decided to ‘keep them’.

EN24: it is rumored that the corp is one of the richest industrial corp in Eve? Any comments?
Informant: I heard back in november that the corp had 3.2 – 3.6 trillion in assets mostly. I was able to get these numbers through EVEHQ, as I had a directors API. However, that number excludes the Titans, and other Caps and Supercaps, and assets in members hangars. Additionally, in early January, they split their industrial arm into another corp, and their value dropped to 2,3- 2,5 trillion Isk.

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EN24: So the industrial part of the corp was not hit in this incident?
Informant: Their expensive BPOs (caps and cap parts) were locked, and thus they were not stolen. Similarly, the corp has a nice collection of T2 BPOs that they got back in the days through the lottery, and these were stashed away in another corp.

EN24: Could you list some of the assets that were stolen?
Informant: Hmm, I think up to 40 dreads, 10-15 carrier, and many other cap ships. In addition, to 55 Guardians and like 40 POS towers, and some other stuff that I can’t remember.

EN24: How do you see the future of the corp?
Informant: They stopped recruiting on the German Forum (eveger.dk), and a massive wave of char left the corp last week. [According to EveWHO 30 characters left the 200 member corp in the last few days, and their in game channel has been deserted too]. I think the corp is nearly dead, only 10 real, active players are left, with their alts. But, I think they still have substantial assets (with several rumored titans and super caps) to rebuild if they want!

EN24: how much preparation such a heist needed, in your opinion?
Informant: Several months at least, to gain trust and get the proper access. However, the heist took little time, in two hours most of the stuff were already gone!

EN24: What were the perpetrators motives?
Informant: “weil ichs kann”, because they can! And it is a once in a lifetime opportunity! Who wouldn’t!?

Just before he left our private convo, my anonymous tipper whispered, now that the story is out there, the life of the scammer will be hell. He is now a pentiti (Italian for “he who has repented, it designates people who collaborate with the judicial system in Italy in order to help investigations). Someone just broke the omerta code…

– Seth

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49 Comments

  1. Mr Mackey

    Rmt is bad mkay?

    February 1, 2013 at 4:31 pm Reply
  2. Gumpin

    So germans are italian botters now with boB t2 bpos in razor who is CFC who is fighting with russians against people that are vaguely enemies of theirs.

    Got it.

    February 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm Reply
  3. Crazy's manwhore

    while i will say a nice job on the heist, it seems like most of the stuff that was stolen was of very replaceable nature and while it could take them a few weeks to replace their isk, nothing else of note will happen. To bad I always enjoy watching corps/alliances collapse after a good heist.

    February 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm Reply
  4. theft

    i thing they can replace it with man power and time. but loosing all there assets after moving it into low and highsec, small amount in carrier, jf and dreads left in o-by0y, maybe will kill them. but never will kill rzr

    February 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm Reply
  5. OKOK

    XT is pretty dead anyway, who cares.

    Even RZR killboard says it has 17 active members: http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=corp_stats&…

    February 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm Reply
  6. Scar

    "Just before he left our private convo, my anonymous tipper whispered, now that the story is out there, the life of the scammer will be hell. "

    Yeaaaa, I don't think so. He just stole 1.3 trillion . . . that's with a T worth of shit. He'll buy a new toon faster than DBRB can snort a line.

    February 1, 2013 at 6:27 pm Reply
    1. Humble_miner

      Perhaps they meant "RL"…?

      February 2, 2013 at 8:19 pm Reply
  7. exCCP

    RMT is fun, amirite ?

    February 1, 2013 at 6:50 pm Reply
    1. Smiling Joe

      Evidence? Blind accusations are irresponsible and ignorant.

      February 1, 2013 at 9:23 pm Reply
  8. droljica

    So much about ccp's "RMT WAR", or "players driven game"…. they (ccp dickheads) should drop crack/pot.

    February 1, 2013 at 6:56 pm Reply
    1. Benny Hill

      RMT would not surprise me. X-traders have been there for so many years. But they did only the trading. they had already almost all t2 BPOs, when I started Eve in 2006. Where did all this money go? It was way more than 1 T

      February 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm Reply
  9. RZR oldtimer

    XT has been useless to Razor for years now. They were a xenophobic and closed-off bunch. XT has one or two active members, and was in the process of leaving. This has absolutely zero impact on Razor.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm Reply
  10. Sukhdeep

    What a crock of SHIT……..oh yeah T2 BPO lottery another huge fucking scam, joke, smoke and mirrors, what ever you wanna call it…didnt CCP give T2 PO to all of there gewns. no PUN intended…..T2 BPO is how you RMT in this game…when your salary dont cut it you find ways to lure retards into buying stupid things…Its amazing how much said retards will spend to feel like T-REX in a little area of cyber space called EVE..I've said it many times before, Laundering money is hard work…but the trail only goes so far…..stupid HAMSTERS!…unless you have cashed out like I have, you probably have no concept how it all works…

    February 2, 2013 at 1:29 am Reply
  11. guest

    Tbh 1.3b in just 'normal' empire assets seems a little high, even for a corp like xt. But then again it probably was a bunch of 0.0 assets too.
    If however soo little Isk and no Bpo's were touched then xt certainly remains one of the richest in eve.

    I have a hard time believing xt would leave communism behind. But even if they have to rebuild some assets, and more importantly an active memberbase i would think them to recover again.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:18 am Reply
  12. theft

    there still filthy rich.
    maybe worth 1,2trillion incap and cap parts bpos not inkluding the t2 bpos and the t1 bpos, still in other corps locked. and not including the titans and the motherships on the "private" accounts.
    i grabbed only the stuff out of zero space that was moved to low for moving ops and the cap reserve. all highsec stuff some mins and all the other stuff, container with faction stuff worth more then 10b isk. etc.
    but stop…

    more to come here in evenews

    February 2, 2013 at 9:45 am Reply
  13. Karl Marx

    That's true communism: When a few fucks have control over some trillion ISK and the rest of the corp possess close to nothing. :-)

    February 2, 2013 at 10:53 am Reply
  14. LOL.

    not saying who did it makes it kinda unbelievable.

    February 2, 2013 at 11:09 am Reply
  15. LOL.

    Lets look at a hand full of things that don’t add up:

    – when the NC was invaded by russian and raiden two years ago, NC including RZR and X-Trading was not able to raise enough money for their supercaps program, they also had troubles financing their reimburstment programm so we are supposed to believe that in less than two years, while being a pet corp they managed to raise the value of 1300B ISK? thats unlikely.

    – The assets mentioned by the “ex-member” are worth maybe 1/10th of it.

    – the “ex-member” claims to know who did it, but is not telling who? what sense does this make? apparently it was not him who did it (otherwise he’d be better on the details), so it would be in his interest to expose the thief..

    – the url given for the german forums is wrong, its eveger.de not eveger.dk

    February 2, 2013 at 11:16 am Reply
    1. some guy

      – perhaps they didnt reimburse because x-trading are just jews?
      – ex-member, maybe doesnt actually know what he is talking about?
      – maybe he has a hunch on who was it, but isnt sure of it himself? and thats not enough to tell?

      think about it.

      February 4, 2013 at 11:03 am Reply
  16. Goons your Daddy

    PL's attack against us was pathetic. They may have killed some ships but they have not yet taken a single system from us.

    1 to the CFC.
    0 to Pandemic Legion.

    February 2, 2013 at 11:33 am Reply
    1. N3 Ally

      Pretty sure if they wanted space, they could rape SOLAR's space like they have been and take some of the portion from RA/NC.. That is IF they wanted too.

      Hurr Durrr Goonie. Hurr. Durr.

      February 4, 2013 at 1:51 pm Reply
  17. Ni Nar

    Mh i read here some supposition.

    I heard the Pilot take 2000B ISK at Assets and ISK. He Take some Cap part BPO´s and some BPC.

    @ RZR Oldtimer

    "XT has been useless to Razor for years now. They were a xenophobic and closed-off bunch. XT has one or two active members, and was in the process of leaving. This has absolutely zero impact on Razor. "

    I Think your Information are old and are False. XT have more than 1 ore 2 Aktive Players and the SCAP Prod from RZR are XT Pilots so it will impact on Razor. Next Time better you tell no shit.

    @ OKOK "XT is pretty dead anyway, who cares."

    They Miners and Proders so you cant check a Killboard dude

    I also here XT have his Name, his Address and some more at german Law some steal virtual Items are a crime and the law will follow this action.

    February 2, 2013 at 11:39 am Reply
    1. theft

      lol maybe they have his name and maybe they have his addrees what u think german law can do about stealing items in an game provided by an islandic firm hosted in england?
      nuthin

      February 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm Reply
      1. Humble_miner

        EULA: Everything in game belongs to CCP. You buy gametime, that's all. You don't own anything in Eve.

        February 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm Reply
    2. GDIAF Goblin

      Simply put: No one will take legal action against him.

      I can´t really be bothered to explain to a braindead retard like you why that is. But eventually you will figure it out. Now go QQ some more about your lost internet spaceships.

      February 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm Reply
    3. Goat Man

      “I Think your Information are old and are False. XT have more than 1 ore 2 Aktive Players and the SCAP Prod from RZR are XT Pilots so it will impact on Razor. Next Time better you tell no shit.”

      Sorry to interfere here but actually the info is quite accurate. XT has a program of retaining their inactive pilots as so-called “veterans”. They don’t kick them for the sake of an unflawed employment history, IF they should someday return.

      And so it was with the thief. He returned and pretended to be useful. He was then given access rights during the house moving to grrener pastures and used these rights to remove CCP’s pixels from XT’s pockets into his pockets.

      The 2000 bil may be a bit exaggerated but not much, considering their entire moongoo, jump freighter, pvp staging and cap assets were removed.

      And SCap production being XT people? Please, in what century do you live? They couldn’t even fullfil Razor’s need of T1 BS hulls for a staging so who’s talking SCaps here?

      February 2, 2013 at 2:52 pm Reply
      1. Thodoros

        You are correct.
        The XT that we used to know they are no more.
        I wish them all the best in the future.

        February 3, 2013 at 4:38 pm Reply
  18. Pew pew I laughed

    CCP really needs to do something about teh T2 bpo's

    February 2, 2013 at 11:41 am Reply
  19. Ni Nar

    "lol maybe they have his name and maybe they have his addrees what u think german law can do about stealing items in an game provided by an islandic firm hosted in england?
    nuthin"

    Yes German Law have do it.

    The best Example but sorry it´s at German

    "Grundsatzentscheidung"

    im Falle eines virtuellen Diebstahls: Das Augsburger Amtsgericht verurteilte als erstes deutsches Gericht einen Jugendlichen für seine rechtswidrige Handlung in einem Onlinespiel. Der sechzehnjährige musste sich vor dem Augsburger Amtsgericht der Anklage des Diebstahls im virtuellen Raum verantworten. Dieser hatte kurzerhand die Accounts seiner beiden Onlinebekanntschaften bei dem Onlinespiel "Metin 2" um einige Dinge erleichtert, deren Daten er von den Klägern erhalten hatte.

    Das Gericht befand den Angeklagten im Sinne des Paragraphen § 303a StGB (“Wer rechtswidrig Daten (§ 202a Abs. 2) löscht, unterdrückt, unbrauchbar macht oder verändert, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.&rdquo schuldig und verurteilte ihn zu 80 Stunden Sozialdienst, sowie die enstandenen Kosten des Diebstahls (circa 1.000 &euro zu tragen.

    Quellen: Games IP Recht, Der Standard.at

    so German Law can and will do Dude

    February 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm Reply
    1. theft

      you speak german?
      better
      wenn du antragberechtigt waehrst koennstest du einen strafantrag stellen aber da die gegenstaende ingame ccp gehoeren bist du nichtmal antragsberechtigt. nichts von dem was du auf dem bildschirm siehst gehoert dir nichtmal deine gekaufte und bezahlte spielzeit schuldet dir ccp so das du sie einklagen koenntest.
      im obengenannten fall ist sicherlich der bengel auf den accounts "eingebrochen" was hier in eve ja nicht der fall war.

      but haters gonna hater

      February 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm Reply
      1. RobFromMarketing

        Your ingame assets are not protected by ANY LAW ON THIS PLANET if they were stolen through no illegal move (common corp assets stolen by rogue directos..or if you give someone a ship to put some rigs on it and you dont get it back or any other scam that CCP allows…)
        As long as CCP allows that behaviour ingame no law on this earth will protect you. So stop quoteing from German law….it wont help ..If you have had prove that the perp actually stole account data logins and used them to login and steal item…that would have been the case to ask for german law.

        February 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm Reply
        1. Mal voellig davon abgesehen das Eve Werbung macht, das man scammen und stehlen darf :) Du Komiker lol

          February 2, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
          1. Ni Nar

            Der "Komiker" ist Staatsanwältin also zügle mal den Ton. Und egal was CCP wirbt oder nicht wirbt hat nix mit dem deutschen Recht zu tun. Bei uns gibt es aus guten gründen einen Präzidensfall der auch genau auf das hier anwendbar ist und das war keine Accounthacking. Soviel zu den Geistlosen Kommentaren.

            February 3, 2013 at 10:02 am
          2. theft

            lol ich sag nur:
            antragberechtigt

            ich zitier mich mal selber:
            i drop u a line when german police with a search warrant raids my home ,-)
            and they ask me about the assets i stole from xt….

            February 3, 2013 at 10:54 am
          3. Jemand anders

            Lol, Staatsanwältin sein wollen und von "Präzidensfall" reden. Du weißt schon, dass wir kein Case-Law haben?

            February 5, 2013 at 9:13 am
          4. Sternenwind

            Deutsches Recht kennt keine Präzidensfall Entscheidung. Gerichte können eine Entscheidung treffen und anderen können ihr folgen, müssen es aber nicht. Solange es nicht von der obersten Instanzen durchgesetzt wird, ist alles offen. Man betrachte dabei nur die Extremen in den Entscheidungen der Strafverfolgung zwischen Hambug und BW.

            Und da stehlen und betrügen ein Teil des Spiels ist, CCP es als Teil des Spiels erklärt, ist es fraglich ob Deutsches Gerichte dies verfolgen, wobei es immer Ausnahmen gibt, solange man nicht Accounts übernohmen/gestohlen hat. Man müsste einmal überprüfen ob CCP mittlerweile in die nutzungsbedingungen übernohmen hat das sich Spieler der gefahr von Betruf und Diebstahl bewusst seien müssen.

            Allerdings ist es nicht ganz korrekt das CCP alles gehört, und man Anspruch auf garnichts hat. Zumindest die bezahlte Spielzeit ist CCP dem Kunden schuldig, in Zeit oder Schadensersatz/Geld. Wobei ich mir mit dem AUR und AUR Gegenstände unsicher bin, auch die könnten betroffen werden.

            Ist es jetzt eigentlich eine Der oder Die? Oder beides? Darf ein(e) Beamter(/in) überhaupt beides sein? Verstößt das nicht gegen die disziplin?

            February 5, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    2. theft

      i drop u a line when german police with a search warrant raids my home ,-)
      and they ask me about the assets i stole from xt….

      February 2, 2013 at 2:56 pm Reply
    3. Leser

      Vielleicht mal das Urteil lesen (und verstehen) und nicht einfach nur was die Boulevardpresse darüber schreibt.

      February 5, 2013 at 11:14 pm Reply
  20. theraid

    hey!

    verklagen bringt garnix :) Diebstahl ist von seiten CCP’s erlaubt. das akzeptierst du mit annahme der AGB’s bei der account erstellung!

    February 2, 2013 at 2:34 pm Reply
  21. alu
    February 2, 2013 at 5:07 pm Reply
  22. Vocabulary nazi

    Just one thing: it's "pentito" (singular), not "pentiti", that's the plural form

    February 3, 2013 at 12:04 pm Reply
  23. DasLegat

    Hallo Staatsanwältin Ni Nar 😉

    Der von dir zitierte Artikel und die entsprechende Anzeige stehenden einem völlig anderen Verhältnis zu der hier zur Diskussion stehenden Sache. Ich möchte nur auf ein paar Kleinigkeiten eingehen. Bei dem Gerichtsurteil ging es in erster Linie um die Tatsache das es sich bei den Gegenständen um accountgebundene Items handelt. Sprich sie waren im Besitz des Accounts.

    Zu Eve und CCP: alle Items gehören CCP. Und keiner Person. Hierbei geht es also schon damit los in wieweit eine Person antragsberechtigt ist. Dies muss man schon bei der ersten Prüfung verneinen. Selbst wenn wir davon absehen und einfach sagen das die Items einen Wert darstellen (es gibt einen Grund warum RMT verboten ist)

    Spiel das Spiel mal weiter, nach deiner Logik und mit dem Argument das die Items dir gehören und auch noch einen Wert darstellt, wäre CCP ja sogar möglicherweise Schadensersatzpflichtig, wenn sie EVE beenden, es durchringen Fehler zu einem Itemverlust kommt und der gleichen. Also absolut undenkbar für CCP. Das ist einer der Gründe warum CCP sagt 1. alle Items gehören uns und es darf kein wirtschaftlicher Vorteil aus Ingame Items erlangt werden.

    Aber selbst Wenn wir davon ausgehen, das die Items einen Wirtschaftswert haben Und nicht CCP sondern dem Spieler gehören, so sind die Eigentumsverhältnisse derart verstrickt, da es ja Corp Assets waren, das man nie ermitteln könnte wer denn letztendlich Eigentümer der Items wäre.

    Das nur mal auf die Schnelle von meinem Ipad geschrieben. Und dabei brauchen wir beide nicht mal anzufangen die Tatbestandsmerkmale der möglichen Paragraphen anzuprüfen.

    February 3, 2013 at 5:11 pm Reply
    1. mithras

      Danke für diese Ausführung. Allerdings sollte man erfragen wo diese kompetente Staatsanwältin Dienst tut. Da möchte ich gerne mal Straftaten begehen… Bei so kompetenten Fachwissen….

      February 3, 2013 at 5:55 pm Reply
    2. Typisch

      Ihre Ansicht hat das AG Regensburg auch vertreten, wurde nach erfolgreichen Rechtsmittel vom LG Regensburg aufgehoben.
      Also bitte nicht so darstellen als ob es hier eine entgütige, allgemein gültige Auffassung gibt. Es ist in Literatur und Rechtsprechung umstritten und wird es auch noch eine Weile bleiben.

      February 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm Reply
  24. X-Trading im Arsch

    good news!

    They also run the eveger.de/forum Once there was the story with the BOB spy, who they found, because they broke their privacy policy on that forum and compared IPs with Razor TS IPs. X-Traders were always like Ferengis. Every good PVPer they had, left after some time, because they were all about the fucking money. Same with their renting program. That Goons let them do this shit, is quite telling about Goons.

    Another high light was, how they lost their supercarriers vs White noise.

    February 3, 2013 at 8:53 pm Reply
    1. theft

      hey someone rembers the IP-gate nice….

      February 3, 2013 at 8:57 pm Reply
    2. Goat Man

      Actually, they did this a couple of times. When the Pandemic Legion forums were exposed they ran IP scans with a portion of the accounts of eveger.de trying to dismantle the PL spaaaii network. In other news they regularly checked IPs as part of their internal security to seek and expose their membership's hidden accounts or identify people playing on Somer with corp money.
      It's not that (insert name)-Gate'ish.

      February 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm Reply
  25. Shana_Zera

    At least this "someone" was a good sport about it, unlike some null-sec alliances out there… <.<

    February 3, 2013 at 10:02 pm Reply
  26. Even before Xetic the Xtrader had already a decent stock of T2 BPOs and spend lots of time and resources into getting all of them.

    I would be surprise if XT is missing even a single BPO in the game and has not multiple BPOs of useful items.

    March 19, 2013 at 10:43 pm Reply

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