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Heretic Nation, the famous PvP alliance having fun in Amamake for years already, has apparently split.

One of the most active Low sec operations out there, the return of their original CEO with guns blazing set up events in motion. Two separated groups are residing in the area now, and their points of view on what’s fair and not concerning these events couldn’t be more different.

MirrorGod, who left for Pandemic Legion, introduced loyalist corps into the Alliance (Heretic Nation) and wrestled control of it from the people that were left in charge, who have retained the Heretic Army corp ticker and joined Atrocitas.

After contacting both parts involved for their input on the subject, we got MirrorGod’s faction reply in the first place, courtesy of Yendaj:

1. Mirrorgod and Hoggs created Heretic Army the original in 2007.

2. I helped Create Heretic Nation, got sovereignty for them in Vale of the Silent with Triumvirate.

3. Heretics then moved to Aunsou and met up with The Perfect Storm and The Final Stand

4. We moved Heretic’s to Amamake and combined forces with my lovelies from Outbreak.

5. I created Heretic Militia and we joined Faction Warfare, during which time Heretics and Outbreak took over Amamake.

6. Outbreak left Faction Warfare, Heretics remained.

7. Mirrorgod was the main FC for Faction Warfare, minmatar militia. There we recruited quite a few pilots to compliment our old schools who had been with us since Fang and Pananan.

8. Heretics moved back into Heretic Army and allied with The Final Stand and Red Box alliance

9. Heretics remained overlords of Amamake, Red Box lived in Huola.

10. Red Box disbanded and Heretic Nation reformed and remained in Amamake for the next 5 years.

All of this was under the Leadership of Mirrorgod.

MG decided to go to PL and expand his pvp and knowledge base. He entrusted Heretic Army to people he believed held true to Heretics loyalty and historic base.

Jude lloyd
Griznatle
Karl Planck

These three people decided to establish the power for themselves and like someone who has recently purchased a fully restored Herritage building…(and are quite sociopathic) broadcast to all and sundry that they were the original architects.

The Original Heretic Army was closed and the name used to re open a new corporation where Jude was the founder and CEO. Karl Planck himself has barely been in Heretics for a year and the other plonkers who feel they are in leadership roles, some barely 5 months.

They made all the old school Heretics re apply to corp with interviews etc and grilling. Then proceeded to give director roles to new players into corp meanwhile, giving zero roles to the original directors of Heretics.

It took 6 corporations in Heretic Nation to change executor, six different ceo’s voted with their feet.

The old school Heretics chose to go with Mirrorgod and the only ones left in the fake reformed Heretic Army as the newer people who have no clue of Heretic History in the first place.

They are merely squatters that are irrelevent in the entire scheme of things. What matters is the ticker of Heretic Nation and the alliance itself.

Just like Goonfleet vs Goonwaffe…. Heretic Army traitors will soon be forgotten and the true Heretic Nation ticker will live on with the people who created it and made it famous in the first place.

When you ask anyone that has lived in that area for the past 5-6 years, the only person they will attribute to the legend of Heretics to is Mirrorgod himself. He is the one that FC’d them all in faction war, he is the leader of Heretics, Mirrorgod is the only name people remember.

Mirrorgod did not want to split that alliance down the middle, he simply wanted back something that belonged to him in the first place and was stolen from him. He did NOT give it away and then decide he wanted it later, he was given no choice whatsoever when they obliterated history and remade it to take the glory themselves.

There isn’t much of a side they can take in this matter due to the obvious…. common sense needed when viewing corp histories goes a long way in telling the story.

Atrox is their new ticker and they should really start fresh and make it their own, create their own fame and their own history. They will never be Heretics again, regardless of what corp they think they are in. People dont care about individual corps in an alliance, they care about the alliance as a whole and they are not in Heretic Nation any longer.

None of this would have happened if Griznatle and Karl Plonker hadnt wanted the power so desperately themselves that they raged and lied and divided everyone down the middle.

The fact is, back when I left Heretic Army, I had logged in for an entire month on a daily basis and the most I saw in corp/alliance chat was 2 people.

Mirrorgod came back to eve and all of a sudden they started getting big fleets again, doing lots of new and interesting things and actually being Heretics. A quick view of their killboard a few months ago before the new patch will show you their inactivity and how it increased and flourished when MG came back. He organised fleet ops, FC’d them every day, did all the usual hard work he always does.

I have no issues stating very clearly right now that Heretic Army inside Atrox will just become a shell again and fall by the wayside, totally over shadowed by their new Overlords in UWOF. Right now thats all they have to keep them functioning. Most of the pilots left in the traitor HA were solo pilots anyway, they flit around ganking here and there with little direction or functionality.

I wish them well…..as per the norm in eve, what goes up, must eventually come back down again..

Thats the story in a nutshell…

o/ Yennie

Not long after this, Heretic Army’s members offered us their vision of the story, courtesy of famous frigate pilot and forum warrior Liang Nuren:

MirrorGod brought a couple of corps into the alliance, installed a new executor corp, and booted everyone from Heretic Nation. It seems to have been an attempt to demand the Heretic Army leadership turn over CEO to MG.

Since then things have been cool but not overly hostile. It’s hardly what I’d call “a civil war”. As to the future: we’ll reform under a new alliance and continue doing what we do.

I can imagine MirrorGod spun up some big elaborate thing but the truth is that things are fairly simple. He wanted to take Heretic Army back from the current leaders because he founded it way back in the day. He feels entitled to the name, so he tried to force the corp leadership to give it to him with a hostile takeover of the alliance. /shrug

My guess about the future of the two entities is that MG will never be allowed back into Heretic Army, but may be allowed back into the new alliance after he’s been in time out long enough. He’s a good grunt, a good FC, and a fun guy on vent… but he’s not cut out to lead Heretic Army anymore.

Also: FYI, Yendaj *IS* MirrorGod – provably. We have him on comms immediately responding to people locking up Yendaj with “Hey, don’t shoot my alt”. He accidentally refers to things the “other one” (Yendaj/MG) did in first person. He accidentally responds on the wrong window when dual boxing.

and Griznatle‘s:

In every lie there are truths, and in every story there is perceived truth. The story I will share with you today reflects only the times when I was either privy to or a part of the decision process’s of Heretic Army. I will provide links to assist in my time line, which I will attempt to keep as unbiased as possible. I will also provide some thoughts, that are from my perspective, not that of a leadership position.

Time line –
2009/10/04 – Griznatle is invited and joins Heretic Army

2009/11/06 – Mirrorgod Leaves Heretic Army to join Sniggerdly

2009/11/18 – Griznatle leaves Heretic Army, Joins Advocates of Sin

2009/09/09 – Kri Matar and Jones Bones leave FA, joins Army

2009/12/10 – Mirrorgod Leaves Snigg to join Final Agony/BANE alliance

2010/09/11 – Bane collapses, Mirrorgod rejoins Snigg (he is kicked from Snigg by a lone mad director in 2012/03/07, but rejoins 2 days later, but is then removed 5 days later)

2011/04/03 – Jude Lloyd joins Heretic Army

2011/06/24 – Finkov joins Heretic Army

2012/02/04 – Karl Planck joins Heretic Army

2012/02/12 – corperate wide decision is reached after post is made on Heretic Army forums from Mirrorgod regarding the new focus of army that any power mechanic ties that mirrorgod has must be removed.

2012/04/01 – Mirrorgod rejoins Army (Army 2.0)

2012/12/28 – Fuss Ro Dah joins nation

2013/01/19 – Under the Wings of Fury join nation

2013/01/26 – Mirrorgod successfully flips executor of Nation to a corp he has control of, Fuss Ro Dah

Please note the following data is from my memory, do not take as Canon –

In 2009, Mirrorgod left Heretic Army to join Sniggerdly. Heretic Army has no direct leadership other than Hoggs, Kri Matar, and some other “old garde” (all of which are either AFK or unsubscribed). I had joined about a month earlier, after parting ways with Python Cartel. Heretic Army is in a holding pattern, I invite a personally friendly industrial corp, Jersey’s Best Dancers, to join Army and fuel the assets of Army. Mirrorgod comes back a month later, I join AoS, which then joins Bane. Bane collapses after a power struggle between Vilwrath and other concerned parties. Many pilots from FA leave to join Kri Matar and Jones Bones in Army. Final Agony also collapses, Mirrorgod leaves to rejoin Snigg. After about a year of stormy weather, Heretic Army loses a lot of members, including many high value members to other entities in Eve. Around the same time Jude Lloyd and Finkov join Army, both quickly become active members in leadership. In February of 2012 a post is made on the Heretic Army forums concerning the new focus of Army, that it will become a incursion running corp (I assume this coincided with Mirrorgod’s dyspo moon being taken away by PL leadership). (http://pastebin.com/UkL5hNDF) Link to the forum post is provided. Finkov, Mr Whitei God, Jude Lloyd, myself, Karl, Commander Slavin, Tetsel, and the other active members of army voted that something had to be changed and that a change into incursion running 24/7 was not a option. Leadership went into thinking about how to do this. Closing the corp was the only option found by the current leadership. As a long term member I was given the task to shut down the pos.

After this reorganization I was given a director role. Mirrorgod rejoined army after this, telling everyone he did not want any power position (this was his stance to the membership public) and only wanted to FC and pewpew. Heretic Nation, a few months before Alliance Tournament 9, started losing many power players to inactivity. Our main FC, Propolis, left eve. Before that he stated many time in Prop fashion we were scrubs and will fail. Karl, myself, Commander Slavin, Whitei, Wili pulled together and with our passion and the support of the HA community, HA got to the pre-semi final rounds. A lot of time and effort, sweat, blood, was spent trying to pull everything together last minute. We might have gotten farther but we accidentalled ourselves. The person building our fleet ships had AF 5, which on in ishkur means +5 more drone bay. Matt Nova only had AF 4, which mechanically meant, in server terms, turned into a brick. CCP didnt realize this until after the fight, amid the massive conversations and screaming from my end to them about how Matt was frozen and couldn’t move. The only reason he actually was on the field was because he was teleported through CCP power. CCP put out a post later that day warning people of the problem, but we were not allowed to redo the match.

I assume that Mirrorgod, since rejoining army, had started plans to retake nation, through the slow movement of corps allied to him joining nation. He had voiced, in moments of mad, that we stole from him. I have always told and asked every community member of nation to come to me or anyone in leadership and ask for a dialogue, I feel that communication is the only good way to deal with things and make sure everyone comes out ahead. Mirrorgod never came to me directly. With the knowledge I have now I can see where he had hinted towards something, but at the time I had not read into it as much as I should have. I was not as active as a ceo should be. This is my sin. I dont feel that the way this was handled was the best, such a schism has been created that will never, I feel, can be sewed shut. Mirrorgod does not want to communicate anymore, he feels that it is either his way or the highway.
(http://pastebin.com/872gamtB) – full convo logs of everything I communicated with mg/mg alts.

Being a fan of what usually goes on in Amamake (that is, a lot of people taking the pod express back home, in style),

I am pretty curious to see what sort of relationship will these two entities have from now on. Open hostility? It’s unavoidable to a certain degree. Perhaps they will merge again, or could one group be forced to leave the area?

MirrorGod seems pretty confident in that his leadership will eventually attract pilots to him, while the members of the corporation think otherwise.

-Darius

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38 Comments

  1. Smiling Joe

    Before my actual comment. Please don't be the child that posts 'who cares' because they aren't some super group boy band you're in love with.

    Interesting read, and brings up an old question of loyalty to the name or to the history. A very good example of new power v old, established v wanting to establish. Results will show on the field which side truly carried the name.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:46 pm Reply
    1. Liang Nuren

      This is hardly an example of a new power vs old power. MG has had nothing to do with us for years and suddenly comes back with a few alts and makes a big fuss over nothing and demand something back that he left a long time ago. TBH, even if he had won the Heretic name he'd never be a Heretic anymore. Heretic Army has never been an Incursion PVE corp and never will be. Certainly not because MG lost his tech moon and got kicked out of PL.

      It's like leaving your girlfriend and then coming back a few years later to demand "favors" after she's married. At that point you're nothing but a crazed creep.

      Also: I really love the creative editing of my mails. :)

      February 2, 2013 at 12:12 am Reply
      1. Darius

        Liang, I didn't edit them. I merely put the two of them together.

        Please let me know what isn't EXACTLY as you submitted and I will correct it. I merely pasted them, one after the other.

        February 2, 2013 at 12:33 am Reply
        1. Liang Nuren

          I'm looking at my sent messages and it looks like Evegate truncated the message. This is the part I was talking about: "Also: FYI, Yendaj *IS* MirrorGod – provably.  We have him on comms immediately responding to people locking up Yendaj with "

          I kinda don't blame you for omitting that given the fact there's an entire paragraph missing and a half finished sentence. I'll send you the paragraph again.

          February 2, 2013 at 12:39 am Reply
          1. Darius

            Eve gate DID truncate your message. The last sentence is as follows:

            Also: FYI, Yendaj *IS* MirrorGod – provably. We have him on comms immediately responding to people locking up Yendaj with "Hey

            Which doesn't make sense. Anyways, I sincerely apologize. I didn't intend to withdraw any info.

            February 2, 2013 at 12:42 am
          2. Darius

            In fact, now that you bothered to send me the complete EvE-mail, I just incorporated it to the article. Thanks.

            February 2, 2013 at 12:45 am
  2. Who's your Daddy?

    No one cares what their relationship will be. Goons will stop on them every day of the week just for a laugh. Just like we do to any other alliance in EvE.

    February 1, 2013 at 9:47 pm Reply
    1. Smiling Joe

      I tried…

      February 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm Reply
    2. Testie

      TEST Alliance, BEST Alliance!

      February 1, 2013 at 10:56 pm Reply
    3. RA pilot

      just like you did in Asakai

      oh wait…

      February 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm Reply
      1. N3 Ally

        ^ I felt that zing just resonate. Hard. "Got 'em, Coach"

        February 4, 2013 at 1:34 pm Reply
    4. Smellypirate

      Just like when dotbros raped you for months on end! Lol goon faggot noob faggot!

      February 2, 2013 at 12:50 pm Reply
  3. FA grunt

    Everyone has a ego there that's why they split up not any other reason

    February 1, 2013 at 10:20 pm Reply
  4. Space troll

    Tltr, Again….No fucks weere given..

    February 1, 2013 at 10:45 pm Reply
  5. nerds unite

    Well to the bitter vet, Heretics were one of the "old boys" and have always been widely respected Hopefully they get plenty of decent pew pew out of this.

    February 1, 2013 at 11:58 pm Reply
  6. TLDR?

    TL;DR?

    February 2, 2013 at 12:19 am Reply
    1. hiii

      L2NOTBELAZY

      February 2, 2013 at 12:48 am Reply
  7. Aranolt

    Didn't MG get booted from PL for being a sperglord and they took his moon as a parting gift?

    February 2, 2013 at 12:57 am Reply
  8. Jesus Loves You

    Where is the TLDR version?

    February 2, 2013 at 9:38 am Reply
  9. Smellypirate

    Heretic nation is all but a passing name in the wind, they have been lost to anything significant for many months now, maybe even year plus!

    February 2, 2013 at 9:55 am Reply
  10. Booger

    Mirrorgod was "kicked from sniggardly by a mad directer"? he was kicked for faggotry plain and simple lol, amamake is nice but liveing there is only an option for people with little imagination, I had always hoped the Tics would someday aspire to more.

    February 2, 2013 at 11:10 am Reply
  11. ex Bane / Heretics

    Tis true, MG was a fag in heretics, a fag in BANE, a fag in PL, basically he is just a total douche and always was, listening to his crap in BANE was comical acting like a 5yr old all over the place.

    February 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm Reply
    1. Mother Amamake

      you forgot that he's a fag IRL as well.

      February 2, 2013 at 8:58 pm Reply
  12. ????

    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16

    so what is the significance of this fight that recently happened, if any?

    February 2, 2013 at 5:13 pm Reply
  13. Yendaj

    Confirming that I am "NOT" Mirrorgod…. no wonder you lost Heretic Nation to us, you guys are as thick as two short planks and dumber than a post.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm Reply
    1. Mother Amamake

      did you really date mirrorgod? i have seen his picture, so i can only assume you look like some fucking greasy abomination.

      February 2, 2013 at 9:02 pm Reply
      1. Fabio Bittar

        I lol'd so hard.

        February 3, 2013 at 2:50 am Reply
    2. Liang Eats Boogers

      You can ask anyone that's been a member of RvB Red Federation for more than a month: Yendaj is a she.

      Or, you can hear both Mirrorgod and Yendaj talking at the same time in this video: http://youtu.be/yuNS7gCsnPk

      Liang Nuren is full of sh*t.

      February 8, 2013 at 3:38 am Reply
  14. serenity

    i can’t find it, but someone please post a picture of mirrorgod. it would provide direct evidence that he’s a massive fucking faggot.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:34 pm Reply
  15. serenity

    http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_related&kl

    lololol

    someone plz post mirrorgod’s picture. what a ginormous homo.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:47 pm Reply
  16. unsubbed

    http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_related&kl

    both failed and false heretics got WRECKED.

    looks like mirrorgod isn’t a good fc. looks like yendaj, too, is bad at this game.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:54 pm Reply
  17. Mother Amamake

    http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_related&kl

    daaamn false heretics and failed got WRECKED! who needs directional scan anyway?

    looks like mirrorgod (huge fag) is a bad fc. what a surprise.

    February 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm Reply
  18. Sir Molle's Alt

    Considering that the Atrocious fake Heretics even admit to faking themselves onto mails because somehow they deserved to be on mails that their batphone killed… I wouldn't take that fight seriously. Jason Oxfam from Atrox non dot managed to even get himself on lossmails from his allies, just to whore a few more mails right sport?…
    http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll… (btw changing that comment or deleting it wont help you much, its been screenshot extensively)

    Karl Plonker, actually admitting to faking a mail is an entirely new low for someone who calls themselves a leader, and you people are calling Mirrorgod a fag… lolz

    I see people have failed to look at the battle reports and not quite realised that half the crap on that battle report was killed during quite a long timeframe and wasn't even in any of the fights…….

    I take it Atrocious fakers is just posting in here and then answering themselves to make it look like all of eve is on their side Rofl

    February 3, 2013 at 1:40 am Reply
  19. lmao

    only thing i got from this is that they unironicaly use vent. shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

    February 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm Reply
  20. Jones Bones

    Heretic Army under Fuschia Command was best Heretic Army. All other Heretic Armies wish they could be Fuschia.

    February 3, 2013 at 10:09 pm Reply
  21. Mother Amamake

    man this website is shit for any reasonable user that utilizes noscript. you have layers upon layers of fucking bullshit on this website. evenews24, more garbage than mirrorgod.

    February 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm Reply
  22. boring

    I'm not gonna post "who cares".

    WHOOP THE FUCKING DOO

    February 6, 2013 at 3:25 pm Reply
  23. Jude Lloyd

    I should have never passed CEO along… I really do regret that decision. I had been CEO for over a year, I had rebuilt quite a strong group, and we had many great nights of pew pew. I loved my time leading Heretic Army, and I still remain very proud of what I did for the corporation.

    But, RL got crazy, leading the corp wasn't something I could dedicate a lot of time into. CEO got passed around, and eventually landed in the hands of Karl. I don't know what kind of CEO he is, I had left before he held the title. But, from what I've heard, tales of faked mails, and this split… idk. I wish Heretic Army the best of luck, and I hope its leadership gets the corp back to greatness soon.

    For the moment, looking on my old corp, I am sad.

    As Griz said, there are many "truths" to this story. I have my own side of things, which can be read at my blog – http://judelloyd.blog.com

    March 13, 2013 at 8:52 pm Reply

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