Razor Alliance and Fatal Ascension wish to flex their PVP muscles and what better opportunity to do so than help an ally in the south? Yes that’s right , FA/RZR is deploying in the South to give SOLAR FLEET and friends a hand against the combined forces of NCDOT, Nulli Secunda, Red Alliance and the likes.

Here is the recording, hot off the presses:

Here is a quick summary:

– They go 700 peeps on their comms.
– We will be deploying south to help SOLAR FLEET against N3 (NCDOT, RED, Nulli)
– We want to start this fight.
– We’ll be using AHACS (Zealots)
– FA will be using Oracles and Caracals.
– RZR will be using Nagas, Loki and Talos fleets.
– A bit of intel about their shared comms.
– We wish to fleet 200-ish fleets.
– Mandatory Deployment
– No Supers – just regular Caps (carriers + dreads)
– They want to help SOLAR not grind sov.
– Pets being set +2.5 standing.
– Due to different languages, SOLAR fleets will be apart from RZR/FA
– Maelstroms stay at Pure Blind / Venal.
– Some chatter about logistics (fuel, jump cal skills, etc)
– Peptalk about their junior FC’s to shine.

– R

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  1. lol

    whelp guess no one can say solar isnt part of the cfc now

    January 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm Reply
    1. Barkaway

      Well they can, but ppl arent gonna believe them, just like ppl dont believe N3 when they say that they are not in bed with HBC^^

      January 31, 2013 at 12:17 am Reply
  2. abc123

    Hahahhaah – no Supers – YA RRRIIIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!! – Till they get there feelings hurt in a fight – then –>> TO THE BAT PHONE!!!!!! SOME ONE CALL DADDY MITTENS!!!!

    January 30, 2013 at 10:41 pm Reply
    1. lol

      PLEASE DO then you will be losing more supers like you did teh other day

      January 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm Reply
    2. dbrshit

      boat's dog to the rescue!!

      January 30, 2013 at 10:49 pm Reply
    3. Someone

      what lol?

      January 30, 2013 at 10:59 pm Reply
  3. Enochia

    Already one cfc carrier down!

    January 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm Reply
    1. ohh snap!

      edit: I actually convo'ed enochia to know if it was true or not.

      i was given this:

      January 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm Reply
      1. Grunt

        Out of the 350 travel fit caps that jumped to there deployment system, they caught 1..

        January 30, 2013 at 11:01 pm Reply
        1. lol


          January 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm Reply
        2. wow

          was far from 350

          January 30, 2013 at 11:30 pm Reply
        3. anonymous

          You shouldn't be able to lose any capitals when jumping into a station system

          January 30, 2013 at 11:33 pm Reply
          1. Random CFC Grunt

            Fatal Ascension carrier – need any more comments?

            January 30, 2013 at 11:37 pm
        4. BntyHunter

          Seriously do you know how retarded you have to be to lose ANY SHIPS in a mass move?

          You clearly dont use Caps in effective groups all that often, and clearly you haven`t hunted them as well.

          January 31, 2013 at 12:19 am Reply
      2. Alwayslaughahahaha

        missing it's ship hangar

        January 31, 2013 at 1:06 am Reply
    2. CSM SeriousBusiness

      the war, it's lost! :golf clap:

      January 30, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
  4. finger puppet

    Deployment Successful!

    January 30, 2013 at 10:50 pm Reply
  5. zef
    January 30, 2013 at 10:53 pm Reply
    1. John_Sheppard
      January 31, 2013 at 11:14 am Reply
      1. zef
        January 31, 2013 at 11:28 am Reply
    2. FA Duder

      you caught an archon that bounced, GOOD FOR YOU, HERES A COOKIE!

      January 31, 2013 at 8:25 pm Reply
  6. Since 03

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA Solar working AGAIN with CFC,ohhh my what idiots…the solar bloc duders that were in denial that this scum helped them out in the north just got there own cocks stuffed down there throat.

    So Solar block wich includes pets amass around 400-500 usually against N3/RA's usually 400-600 wich is usually numerically a pretty even fight.

    Now you know what will happen,as Rzr and FA will likely have an extra 200-400 added to solar block and pets numbers it going to be FA/RZR/Solar/Pets 600-900 depending on time zones vs N3/RA 500-600 if HBC/PL join N3/RA then will be fairly equal numbers.

    This potentially looks like CFC are going to use Solar as a catalyst for war but not in there back yard,going to move attention to solars Sov so people try an forget about cfc sov.
    After a while the whole of cfc will be blobbing down south,mark my words,FA/RZR cannot wipe there own ass,they are just being used for the usual meme we only want good fights lol <- they dont have a clue what GFs are.
    If I dont see the whole cfc down there within weeks ill eat my hat and shit it out!

    January 30, 2013 at 10:54 pm Reply
    1. Solar = CFC

      Solar are CFC dude,they been CFC since the Dotbros war,only Mittens only uses Solar and throws them away when it suites him. Typical goon history o7

      January 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm Reply
      1. solar pet

        your right about typical goon history. however your wrong that solar is cfc. solar is solar. they may join hands with goons or test as necessary to complete their own goals, but in the end solar is solar cause. besides this was bound to happen sooner or later. oh and bad news. 2 types of helping. there "blue" then theres dont go to the same space while being neut. and you can't call the second one "helping."

        January 31, 2013 at 1:25 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          Not anymore bro.

          Not only is this your second time batphoning CFC, but everyone knows they are your last option and without them you have 0% chance….Guess what that makes you?

          If we were a SOV holding alliance [meaning we would crumble without SOV like SOLAR is] and we were getting raped and it we begged lets say AAA a group who we had problems with in the past, not once but twice, guess what you would be calling us? Thats right pets, since we can`t live on our own and we rather bow to another group than go back to Hi/Lo and regroup.

          January 31, 2013 at 3:49 am Reply
          1. asdf

            Say the guys who batphoned the HBC many times during the war

            January 31, 2013 at 4:18 am
          2. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            Nope. They didnt. Im HBC and everytime we have fought with N3 it was because we were bored and or asked permission to join in the fights.

            You have this wrong. Also funny how Rzr/Fa will be moving in with Solar and deploying while the HBC has only ever temp blued N3. Lastly we all know N3 doesnt need us to survive and hell even win, but even Solar members will admit they need Rzr/Fa now.

            nice try

            January 31, 2013 at 4:39 am
          3. BL. Guy

            lol ur pretty arrogant dude u think that EVE should bow to NCDOT get over urself a little also calling someone a pet cause they call for help makes me laugh if that where true then NCDOT would be the pets BL. pets and PL pets etc etc get over urself a little man just look at it as more retards to shoot and move on

            January 31, 2013 at 5:52 am
          4. I just do not know

            Hi mate, who can I contact in game to get my alliance within the N3 coalition?

            January 31, 2013 at 8:04 am
          5. Thodoros

            @ BntyHunter
            Dude how come after so many negatives on your posts you still have 97p?
            Looks like Riverini has something to do with this?
            Also stop yapping how l33t you guys are with no sov.
            It aint working.

            January 31, 2013 at 4:48 pm
          6. Nah, the intense debate system is totally independent and off hand of EN24.

            AFAIK anons can upvote or down vote comments, but AFAIK those doesn't count as much as those registered and with good rep, like you.

            January 31, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    2. Random CFC Dude

      And who are you again? Some has been that's been rofl-stomped by the CFC? oh snap, guess you're NOBODY then!

      January 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm Reply
      1. lol

        pretty sure i shit down cfc throat the other night while killing their supers and watching the rest run l

        January 30, 2013 at 11:18 pm Reply
        1. Random CFC Dude

          You killed a BOAT fleet, that's not that hard to do, which isn't saying much for your abilities to kill shit either!

          January 30, 2013 at 11:34 pm Reply
          1. ingo

            you spelled BOT wrong

            January 30, 2013 at 11:45 pm
          2. wow

            pretty sure we killed 3 titans 5 supers and around 100 caps

            January 30, 2013 at 11:52 pm
          3. xxxxx

            Who is "we"? And whenever there is a super fight, everyone comes out of the woodwork to get on the super km's.

            January 31, 2013 at 2:53 am
          4. yolo

            we as in n3 bro? the ones who showed up after you thought you could drop and not get counted

            January 31, 2013 at 3:41 am
          5. recollector1973

            You killed 3 titans out of 120…damn, that was REEEEALY a deadly strike to CFC (lol).

            Also, do you realize in your small head what had 28 Titans do in null sec (hint : killing 56 caps in 10 min).

            In 20 min, PL, NCdot, Nulli would run like biatches after losing 84 caps.

            But because you are leet pvp, you cannot comprehend WHY (currently) nobody can beat CFC.

            January 31, 2013 at 7:14 am
          6. bupi

            you sir are a retard, with the motto didnt want those anyway. Its more the fact that you managed to lose them that schould be concerning you and also that every single fuck in eve would hotdrop you and nobody help

            January 31, 2013 at 12:28 pm
          7. Mith

            Asakai was a colossal derpfest that just happened to be capitalized on by the parties involved. I highly doubt that big clusterf**** will have any impact on the actual politics of the CFC/TEST/N3 etc.
            While the losses to the CFC are replaceable to them, and they have the ISK, they learnt the lesson NOT to field Titans in losec anymore, as they have less use than a Dreadnaught.
            Asakai would never have happened in null – bubbles and DD's would have changed the face of that battle significantly in either direction, and the potential loss of considerably more assets.

            January 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm
      2. Since 03

        Sumbody who rofl stomps cfc since the day they were formed actually noob!

        January 30, 2013 at 11:19 pm Reply
    3. some dude

      Hope your hat is not suede it ruins the digestive tract I hear.

      January 30, 2013 at 11:36 pm Reply
    4. apocalypse

      Ummm…. N3 , RA, INK, & WHYSO are hitting solar & so are PL, NC. & others trying cash in on the spread out SOLAR. No love for anyone working with CFC but a bit of a correction on ya buddy.. the numbers might be even now.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:05 am Reply
      1. wow

        nice try cfc trying to make it look like its more than really are but whyso and nc. are n3 and ink are friendly towards them as is ra, pl do whatever they want but keep up trying to make it look liek your the good guy

        January 31, 2013 at 1:29 am Reply
      2. BntyHunter

        You realize that NCDOT/Nulli hit them first right? All the others you mention are fighting them yes but there numbers aren`t huge.

        Also the numbers might be even now because SOLAR will start fighting again, they had 300 guys in beginning and are now down to 60ish on a regular basis….Shit Darkspawn is tougher.

        I hope they are back in full force they were always the best to fight.

        But get your facts right NCDOT/Nulli aren`t jumping in on anything, we were the original ones to start this war.

        January 31, 2013 at 3:45 am Reply
    5. chill bro

      Lol, keep pulling numbers from your ass. Let's see how things turn out before you begin to paint Solar and support as blobbers. You're already setting up N3/RA as the valiant underdogs. Propoganda at its best (free of facts).

      January 31, 2013 at 5:08 pm Reply
    6. blaa blaa

      In CE RZR was taking systems with 50 man fleet's… :') blobbing my ass… more like laughing my ass off.. šŸ˜€

      the north is boring with no-one to fight and we know how the old NC went up in flames, when theres was no-one to fight for ages , they all turned to carebears and forgot how to fight…

      so in short I think RZR and FA are going there to keep there combat skills up and not turn into jolly old carebears.. its just a shame your have to travel so far to get decent fights…

      February 2, 2013 at 2:35 pm Reply
      1. Pilious

        You just put combat skills and Razor and FA in the same sentance lol

        February 8, 2013 at 3:30 am Reply
  7. We expected this kind of response and look forward to some fights with old ~friends~.

    I hope this turns into an enjoyable deployment for all parties involved.

    Who needs a war?

    January 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm Reply
    1. Johnson Johnson

      I don't wanna war, I just wanna peace

      January 30, 2013 at 11:08 pm Reply
      1. lol

        Would be a good way for them to rofl stomp fa

        January 30, 2013 at 11:20 pm Reply
    2. N3Grunts

      FA at least go's looking for some fights, TEST only toot their horn and then back of when PL tells them to STFU.

      We welcome our FA nullsec brothers in the south and wish them happy PvP.

      @ Montrolol; See, FA is able to have PvP without big daddy CFC holding their hand.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:17 am Reply
      1. falol

        "FA is able to have PvP without big daddy CFC holding their hand."
        too early to tell, we will see if they can do more then just welp.

        January 31, 2013 at 4:12 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      As long as you aren`t FCing it will be loads of fun, when you call targets your fleets don`t last long enough. I do like how you show up to battles though, its gutsy something Mittens could learn from.

      Also your lucky DBRB stayed behind.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:17 am Reply
    4. stain citizen

      ALL Supercapital in Branch lmao
      We known that you will batphone all CFC, because you are shit without your 60k man coalition

      January 31, 2013 at 12:20 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        It is funny they say "NO SC`s" Lol Rzr/FA wasn`t the assholes who lost all the SC`s, it was GSF`s head FC who jumped his Titan into Lowsec and him who ordered everyone in after it.

        Its sad that FA/Rzr wont use SC`s, I understand being carefuk but telling everyone NO SC`s is just chickenshit.

        January 31, 2013 at 12:36 am Reply
    5. bupi

      youre welcome down here, solar was beginnig to get boring, they dont show up anymore. I just hope you brought enough ships along šŸ˜‰ and watch out for your carriers šŸ˜›

      January 31, 2013 at 8:40 am Reply
    6. NCdawt grunt

      Claims to have deployed for the fights.
      Runs from every opportunity.

      February 2, 2013 at 9:15 am Reply
  8. Nobody

    Test to assist N3 just to kill FA? :)

    January 30, 2013 at 11:01 pm Reply
    1. DavefromTI

      Untill Shadoo tells them to fuck off again, and they start camping HED with 100+ šŸ˜›

      January 31, 2013 at 12:14 am Reply
  9. dsfasdf
    January 30, 2013 at 11:11 pm Reply
  10. pew pew

    sounds like fun to me i might join razor to get in on this

    January 30, 2013 at 11:11 pm Reply
    1. Solar = CFC

      Why not join a decent alliance to get in on the fun? lol

      January 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm Reply
      1. pew pew

        like who ? i would never join anything todo with Red alliance and i don't no any neutral party's down there blowing ships up atm but that is coz im only just getting bk on eve again for the 100th time

        January 30, 2013 at 11:31 pm Reply
        1. apocalypse

          LOLZ !! You would rather be with razor who haven't done anything in years !! Instead of joining a proper alliance that has gained space without suck goon cock? Heres a few NULLI, INK, RA(new) WHYSO, & the HBC but that's basically the same shyt… BL & NC. Even… solid alliances that have managed to do something without the goons. Ohhh & razor defeated IRC but who couldn't? Lol yup CFC meatshield idiot's

          January 31, 2013 at 12:20 am Reply
          1. lolz

            Nulli? The coward clowns that bailed in Delve on at least two ocassions when shit got tough, then went north and lost there and bailed, only to go south and invaded a wounded AAA which originally was helping them defend delve?! N3 is a house of cards held the weakest most cowardly players in this game. It took old a week or two before they all coalitioned up and joined the HBC. You will see N3 calling on TEST and PL repeatedly now.

            January 31, 2013 at 2:33 am
          2. iwasthere

            butt-hurt AAA detected.

            January 31, 2013 at 3:25 am
          3. wow

            confirming back stabbing leave allies to die -a- detected

            January 31, 2013 at 3:37 am
  11. Unknown

    Congrats on bubbling a station for half a day?

    January 30, 2013 at 11:11 pm Reply
  12. Merrick

    250 man Solar fleets? Someone has been lying to Razor…

    January 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm Reply
    1. lol

      i know right? they only field around 100 if not less lately

      January 30, 2013 at 11:19 pm Reply
      1. Merrick

        I have a feeling Razor is going to get here and realize they're fighting alone.

        January 30, 2013 at 11:24 pm Reply
        1. Huh

          I have a feel Razor is going to get here and get farmed…

          January 31, 2013 at 2:52 pm Reply
    2. Bitter Vet

      Tbf when the war first started they were putting 250 fleets up quite easily, but once they started loosing ground it quickly shrank to less than 150 or so, and a few days ago they only had 30 100mn AB tengus. Tbh though I hope it gives them a new boost because fuck we N3 are desperate for fights atm we've even started to turn on Gorgon and Darkspawn and so far they put up more of a fight than Solar ever did.

      Plus I think Razor and FA are totally bored of using the same fleet doctrines to win fleet fights, so they are trying to break free of the CFC fc's and see what they can do by themselves and try out new things that the CFC would probably never allow them to do. Only prob is though I think the rest of the CFC will turn up whether Razor and FA like it or not because I reckon the CFC are dying for another big conflict

      January 31, 2013 at 12:07 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        This is all true.

        I bust Fagduls balls, but he is doing right by his guys. Rzr and FA leaders are getting there troops as far away from GSF/Horrible FC`s reach. When DBRB comes out he automatically gets the lead over better FC`s from the other groups and if I was FA/Rzr I would hate it also.

        Gj Zagdul+Rzr and thanks for getting SOLAR back in it.

        January 31, 2013 at 12:26 am Reply
        1. The Observer

          It is nice they're prolonging the war. Honestly, SOLAR was getting backed into a corner pretty quick. But when N3+RA hold off and eventually push back or come to a stalemate, will the newcomers call for CFC reinforcements? and even if they don't get pushed back, will the rest of the CFC insert themselves for "gudfites" just like the Delve war (not much of a war btw. mainly a blob-fest)? Honestly, I can see them doing that as there's literally no one else to fight in 0.0 except HBC pets/renters, and we ALL know how Mittens doesn't want to piss of the HBC. Hell, they GAVE them more tech moons for FREE so they wouldn't go to war with them.

          January 31, 2013 at 7:18 am Reply
      2. PL member

        If you are desperate for fights, stop calling TEST and PL to join you every time you risk loosing few subcaps because SOLAR has fielded a decent equal numbers fleet to yours.

        Otherwise, STFU and continue grinding structures.

        January 31, 2013 at 8:18 am Reply
        1. wow

          I dont know how many times we had the same number as solar for them to not even show up

          January 31, 2013 at 8:23 am Reply
          1. PL member

            I dont know how many time we bailed your ass EVERYTIME shit got rough for you or other parts of your coalition. No wonder SOLAR gave up.

            January 31, 2013 at 8:57 am
          2. DemFalconDot

            Haha, you are idiot my friend.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:00 am
          3. PL member

            And you and you Nulli friends are biggest sleazebags in EVE.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:12 am
          4. DemFalconDot

            Lol, blue with test, talking about our blues…lololool

            January 31, 2013 at 9:24 am
          5. DemFalconDot

            Guess you are one of thos -a- dudes that just joined pl and beeing camped in station for the last 1 year it must feel real good being able to shoot something. But stop acting like retard

            January 31, 2013 at 9:27 am
          6. PL member

            At least we do not call our enemies cowards because they do not want to be welped to a blob all the time.

            Solar has a fucktonne more skill and balls than your whining coalition has altogether.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:32 am
          7. DemFalconDot

            Ok, i'll fall for this troll.
            If you werent just trolling here, you would know we have a lot of respect for Solar dudes and, sure we blob them atm, but thats due to Solar fleet participation going south (from full fleets to running coward 100mn tengus with ~80-100 dudes).
            Let's hope rzr/fa will bring back Solar that fought hard.
            Now stop trolling and go shoot sbu/tcu with 40man gila ganks.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:41 am
          8. DemFalconDot

            And talking about skills while blueing biggest carbear coalition in game for meat shield. Real skills when you can just hide under 2,3 or 4 full fleets and swing your dick how pro you are.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:43 am

            What makes you think someone who anonymously calls himself "PL member" is a PL member?
            I think someone in PL would think of a better name then that.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:41 am
          10. Barkaway

            Ill bet you that hes from solar:P

            January 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm
          11. PL Member 2

            Hey im a PL member look my name says so! True story

            January 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm
          12. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            Lol ok AAA guy. if you are PL I am the pope.

            February 2, 2013 at 10:19 pm
    3. Nah man, It could happen if they get enough people to man their 200 bot accounts. It's all about the Cap and Real Money Economies.

      Ya got to protect the fat fucks at the top of eve's RME. You know the guys, that are spread about with-in the top alliances. Eve's just one big fckin con and 0.0 is a farce. But it's all good, the no life derps, mindless drones filling the ranks get a bit of blobbage.

      January 31, 2013 at 6:30 am Reply
    4. Orion

      No kidding Merrick! I don't remember those fights….

      February 1, 2013 at 7:46 pm Reply
  13. m4ster112

    Congrats on killing 1 cap out of the whole fleet *clap* *clap* *clap*

    January 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm Reply
  14. kevin___

    Ah just as the chatter in EVE and forums suggested: CFC and HBC will use the South conflict Solar/N3 as their version of Vietnam/Korea.

    Oh well, better than nothing I guess. At least it's better than Shadoo's staged fights.

    I hope we get some good fights and fleet action out of this. I'll be moving an alt in that area to monitor the situation (totally not trying to whore on kills).

    January 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      It will escalate very quickly IMO.

      TBH with all the help we have been getting with numbers from RED/Test etc this wont change much.

      We are going to roll over Rzr/FA fairly easily because for once we will have similar numbers, once Mittens understands this he will deploy more CFC, once that happens more TEST will come. I think this will be a escalation to war once Mittens understands they can`t win without a full blown deployment.

      Also there are a few wildcards like Xdeath, there bro`s [RED] are fighting SOLAR but there patrons are fighting us….Decision time. All in all a very exciting time.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:15 am Reply
      1. Pilious

        Xdeath has fought us at least 1/2 a Dozen times already, no decision needs to be made and the RA that us to be allies of Xdeath is not the RA we are fighting along side.

        January 31, 2013 at 3:20 am Reply
      2. DubbaYooArr

        Very excited.. the war i've been waiting for

        January 31, 2013 at 4:57 pm Reply
  15. Maid

    So I guess SMA is all alone in Venal right now.

    January 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm Reply
    1. derp

      what about fcon and get off my l

      ohhhhh i see what you did there.

      January 30, 2013 at 11:49 pm Reply
  16. zipp it

    so the CFC is using solar to stage a war outside there space, so what! keep pushing solar and you will have them tighten there grip on CFC more, have you forgotten that no longer than few months ago the CFC was bringing down hell from Tenal to crush Solar's pets?. no one came to help and IRC and it was crashed in the process, this is the result of occupation you do what you can when your under pressure and side with the 1 who offer you a way out. keep pushing on solar and they will mend there bond more with your enemy.

    January 30, 2013 at 11:57 pm Reply
    1. SirBacon

      How else do you want CFC to stage a war? Drone space is now next to the most eastward CFC territory. So it's logical point of pew pew.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:11 am Reply
    2. bumblefuck

      IRC isolated itself rather severely in the summer and fall.

      Nobody in the Drone Regions really considered them an ally or coalition member after that.

      Someone in IRC summed up the situation in December as "oh, all of our allies are just busy right now fighting each other." IRC thought they did. Apparently even CFC thought drone alliances were going to help them.

      Truth is they didn't have any allies anymore. After Tribute/Vale they were their own.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:31 am Reply
    3. blaa blaa

      this was not CFC just RZR having fun…

      February 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm Reply
  17. BntyHunter

    Man I can`t wait to kill Dave :)

    Haha, this is going to be it guys…Mark my words, PL is going to be there with us. Rzr and FA will come and then Test is going to come because FA….Then CFc will look horrible and start sending FCON/TNT etc and finally Goons.

    The End is Nye Biatches :)
    Win or lose its going to be loads of fun.

    January 31, 2013 at 12:09 am Reply
    1. DavefromTI

      And then it will immediately turn into a retarded lag-fest and all fun will be gone.

      Seriously, have PL and TEST not learned that small wars are more fun than blueing everyone and pushing 2000+ into one system ????

      January 31, 2013 at 12:19 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Come on have PL and TEST learned? How about ALL OF FA`s and RZR`s fights in the history of them fighting in the north? If it wasn`t blobbing they didnt do it. FA+Rzr on there own isn`t to bad but they rarely fight on there own.
        CFC are by far the worst blobbers, the 2800 people happend only because free Titan kills, if it was just a fleet fight with Subcaps we would have been at 700ish on our side, guys were logging in there 3rd Account for that fight.

        I do love how they need to explain how to fit a Abby. And they finally are all excited to use simple Zealots :) I guess its time they learn fits other than Drakes. Its going to be seriously funny the first few times they face us in our favorite ship types like Abby`s and Zealots…I predict Slaughter.

        January 31, 2013 at 12:31 am Reply
        1. DavefromTI

          All i see are excuses for Test not do engage in a war by themselves.

          January 31, 2013 at 7:42 am Reply

    finally, a coalition worth fighting for. VFK by May.

    I hope this year will be referred to as the goonacaust.

    January 31, 2013 at 12:16 am Reply
  19. hey ya

    2 Days later… N3: ow shit, we need help… 3 days later… Raiden / Initiative / Li3 / Tribal Band / Unclaimed and Esoteria beggers decide to help N3 with Solar front lol , TEST maybe, but probably not, I dont `Think Montolio wnat to make an oficial war agasint solar fleet right now.

    January 31, 2013 at 12:19 am Reply
    1. Alwayslaughahahaha

      Are you insane? Test will be all over this fight.

      January 31, 2013 at 1:07 am Reply
      1. The Observer

        Definitely. If not in normal fleets, than in bomber blobs tossing LOLbombs at FA.

        January 31, 2013 at 2:28 am Reply
        1. bupi

          tossing trollbombs in any direction id say

          January 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm Reply
        2. xxxxx

          I'm taking bets on how many TEST pilots will bomb there own fleet.

          January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm Reply
    2. wow

      need help? doubt it since it took all of cfc to beat the dotbro's and even then they still held them off

      January 31, 2013 at 1:30 am Reply
      1. Eidy

        last i recall nc. had BL fcing their fleets, and bl's last contract after that was working for solar.

        so it might not be that simple.. although it all depends on whether fa/rzr can bring the numbers in the first place

        January 31, 2013 at 2:06 am Reply
        1. FA grunt

          You don't know FA

          January 31, 2013 at 2:30 am Reply
        2. Smellypirate

          Elo was one of many fc's in the dotbros war. He is a good cfc granted, but the one reason you refer BL as facing dotbros fleet is because mittens when needing propaganda to hold up his low morale constantly welped cfc forces had made Elo it to a god idol as focused all his emphasis on Elo to try and bring discontent within Dotbros, and a reason of blame singling out one person to make the many others wich had done 90% jeloius for the lime light. Mittens propaganda did not really work as what broke dotbros up was Vince and wicked princess drama not mittens propaganda, dotbros were to wise to fall for childish crap mittens spews, but not wise enough to leave qwarrels until the war was concluded.
          This demonstrates from your post iedy that your one of those daft buggers who thinks Elo did everything. It's cute and funny, but still ain't right lol.

          January 31, 2013 at 2:38 am Reply
          1. Smellypirate

            FC* and FCing iPhone derp predict txt!

            January 31, 2013 at 2:39 am
          2. the pleb

            elo is a great fc, bl also had another good fc whose name escapes me. but nc has good fc as well. the difference is that the the nc fc sometimes go off the deep end if things go pear shaped while the bl all remained calm. the reaso nc held out was the aussie tz FC's. they are no longer in nc, bt are still bro's and available via batphone

            January 31, 2013 at 2:53 am
        3. wow

          it is that simple

          January 31, 2013 at 3:42 am Reply
        4. Good thng u rnt Smrt

          Last I recall you were misinformed. Elo had every 3rd fleet.

          You are the reason CFC retard propaganda works. You read something and you think its true.

          January 31, 2013 at 4:42 am Reply
        5. bupi

          and they held pretty well… BL: got the fuck out after seeing Solar doesnt really get better even with theyr fc skill, they lost so much.

          January 31, 2013 at 12:37 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Lol you are retarded. We are winning so badly now that this might….Might make it even but if I had to guess, I`d say they will need to bring in a lot more CFC muscle.

      Dont be suprised when you see TNT-Fcon-Etc come into the fights in a major way.

      January 31, 2013 at 3:50 am Reply
    4. Treston_Cal

      Please tell me when this happened. I didn't get the memo that we were helping fight Solar – unless it was one of our guys killmail whoring… last I checked, we were still fighting with -DD- and their timers. Unless Stain has officially moved to the eastern part of the map.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:58 am Reply
  20. Solar Pet=Best Pet

    To tell you the truth, I am not surprise by this.. lol

    By the way things were going, it was either we gave up and go to npc space, die, join HBC, or join CFC sooner or later…

    I had the feeling that sooner or later we & The CFC were going to be friends given the current political landscape..

    Anyways, anyone knows what is going on with IRC? seems like they have been reset by SOLAR & Friends

    January 31, 2013 at 2:40 am Reply
    1. Smellypirate

      Mv joining N3 as only been N3 who's ever helped them out,solars done erm nothing to help them now or in the past so they probably going to more reliable and community centred coalition instead of a hey I'm solar I do what suits me and me alone coalition.

      January 31, 2013 at 2:46 am Reply
    2. Solar Pet=Best Pet

      This is interesting!

      So as IRC finally decided to stop being around the bush and finally decided to join N3 officially?

      January 31, 2013 at 2:54 am Reply
      1. wow

        because totally 1 irc dude on a km means taht am i right

        January 31, 2013 at 3:39 am Reply
        1. Solar Pet=Best Pet

          Maybe, but I am just trying to found out the reason why they have been reset by DC..

          January 31, 2013 at 5:00 am Reply
          1. Always laughahaha

            Because they fucking suck?

            January 31, 2013 at 5:55 am
      2. BntyHunter

        We were a damned sight better at fighting with them than SOLAR, so I hope they do return in a leaner meaner fashion.

        Remember you guys just didnt turn your back but attacked there Sov, so you could look tough for daddy Rzr and gain there support.

        If IRC comes to N3 it will just be more pain for you, as a lot of the groups who left might come back to IRC and they will be a lot tougher. This time they can leave the carebears in other alliances and bring the killers and those valiant guys who ran those bombing ops.

        January 31, 2013 at 3:41 am Reply
        1. Solar Pet=Best Pet

          Sorry bro! but I don't see IRC coming back anytime soon!

          From what I heard, many corps left because of their HC, and also because they didn't like their leadership. And since it still seems the main leadership is still there, I don't think many of them are coming back.

          Most either join DC, HBC, even some in CFC, and others still unsure i guess.

          so no, some might come back but I don't think most of them will come back

          January 31, 2013 at 4:15 am Reply
        2. I just do not know

          We left IRC due to the incompetence of HC, which is really AWECO members who were playing at a superficial level, the number of times I was in meetings and heard Oldma asking questions about events that he should have known, was amazing. After HB feel they said nothing for a week, then came out with the blue ball strategy, at which point they went back to sleep, anyone who leads knows that at that point a leadership must become very vocal to keep people on board, they did not and the result is the collapse that you see. IRC is effectively dead, their leadership is the issue…

          January 31, 2013 at 7:20 am Reply
        3. Nulli FC/corp CEO

          Nope. We, one of their former corps now in nulli is making a point of harassing them since irc is now little more than aweco the diplomatic sperg is hilarious. Already we have been told to leave a pos alone after RA had to go asking Nulli command to have us leave them be.. Everything else is still fair game for now. Nbsi

          January 31, 2013 at 8:24 am Reply
          1. I just do not know

            I intend to shoot them too

            January 31, 2013 at 9:15 am
      3. Solar Pet=Best Pet

        Taken from kugu:

        "Solar & all drone region alliances have set IRC red and have been killing IRC for the past few days now. They were temp reset for a couple days b/c of awoxers, then hard reset permanently for something more serious. I remember hearing about why but now can't recall the specifics, probably just because IRC is so insignificant compared to everything else is going on. A mouse fart in a thunderstorm, if you will.

        ROGUE has taken pretty much the rest of IRC/IRC-P holdings in Oasa

        Pretty weird, but Red Alliance has set IRC to blue standings.

        Maybe Oldma is trying to work out plans to hitch onto the N3/Red Alliance bandwagon and get some crappy space to re-start IRC. But no, they're not being allowed to rebuild in Oasa."

        Guess we will start seeing IRC taking sov in scalding or Insmother now

        February 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Now you say that….For the past 8 months you have been saying that SOLAR isnt allied with anyone in CFC and basically it was only out of convenience and not to help SOLAR survive.

      This is the 2nd step into becoming a full on CFC pet.

      You admit without CFC you were doomed this makes you need CFC meaning when they do help you and get you dependant on there aid, they will then tell you that you are part of CFC or else they will withdraw aid.

      Sorry man but I would rather go back to Hisec, reform and return in some way then team up with the CFC. Its your decsion but IMO your respect took a major hit last time just fighting DOTBROS and not even definding your homes, now this will lose you almost all the respect you have from anyone but the CFC [who btw will lose all respect as well but want you as pets]

      This is the reason Why So/Ink, Gypsies left you the second you chose CFC, they knew we would come back, kick down your door and then Mactep would ally with the bloated mongoloids…It`s sad because Solar fighters are really very good.

      January 31, 2013 at 3:39 am Reply
      1. Solar Pet=Best Pet

        That what you wanted us to do right! Roll over and die so you can take our space!

        What respect are you talking about? DC & Solar tried to have fights and when you you couldn't take us on our own, what did you do? Call PL for help for obviously. What happened to you guys being elite PvPers?

        Then you complain you don't get fights when you blob us, OH the BS!

        Did you forget they (RZR, FA) are coming down on their own, we didn't bath phone them (unlike YOU).. Also what are we suppose to do, tell them no when they offer to help us with our little problem that we have right now, and we are atm not faring too well! (understatement).

        Unlike you guys, who have been lying about your relationship with HBC & PL, and even becoming the things that you claim to hate! Plz

        Anyways, like I said I am not surprise. IDK if you remember, awhile back I did mention this could happen, since HBC & Pets were ganging up on us!

        Yes Pets!, i call you guys pets, because as you as said earlier, do you think PL help you guys out for no reason when you were fighting us, since you were dependent on their aid. As a matter of fact , Asakai, prove this, this was the reason why you guys came running to help them in asakai, because you guys had dues to pay!
        (Oh boy!, how I wish you guys would have said no, when they call on you, and we would see what would've had happened had you guys did.. lol)

        I'm no fool, obviously they are doing this for a reason. They are trying to save their own skin. What they saw in Asakai wasn't great, and I believe Asakai is one of the main reason why all of the sudden now they wanna blue us to help us out and this war!

        At the end of it all, They are just trying to save their own ass, and if they fail to have an impact in this war. Then all they have to do is use the fact that they aided us in our own war against us.

        January 31, 2013 at 4:57 am Reply
        1. I just do not know

          Solar made a wrong choice when the CFC invaded Tribute, many of your members felt that way, you are now doubling down on that error.

          January 31, 2013 at 8:02 am Reply
        2. bupi

          Sorry bro but you had so many times the same amoutn in numbers and YOU didnt show up to fight when for example i6 fell. Solar ran just like cowards even though they had same numbers and stuff. You took some beating and now you dont show up anymore so come at us or STFU. And for you calling someone PETS i loled.

          January 31, 2013 at 9:23 am Reply
        3. Good thng u rnt Smrt

          Lol as if NC. wants SOLARS Space.

          Your space is shit unless its Botted or rented to Botters. NCDOT aren`t great renters.

          Also moving Rzr and FA in wont slow NCDOT down, its just a last try.

          Also NC. has explained many times they dont want to stomp out SOLAR just take certain areas.

          February 2, 2013 at 10:59 am Reply
        4. Idiot

          You really are not smart. Like NC neededto blob you to win LOLOL
          You have never and will never beat NC on your own. You trying to say N3 needs PL is just hilarious, PL got a contract from a 3rd party or they wouldn`t be there you dipshit.

          Really if you are going to lie, and act informed, use better material. Its funny how butthurt you are from NC raping you so hard.

          February 2, 2013 at 11:01 am Reply
        5. Good thng u rnt Smrt

          You claim N3 asked PL for help and you didnt from Rzr/Fa? Man, so stupid.

          Everyone knows PL isn`t called in at all by NCDOT. Also even if RZR/FA came on there own its the same as PL.

          I was a renter in SOLAR space and fought with you guys vs N3 until 3 weeks ago when we lost vs them without PL there and then the fleets get smaller and smaller. You pussied out and now want to act like NC. was blobbing, when in reality you just stopped showing up.

          We lost for 3 weeks and PL only showed up at fights 6 times and we formed up 2 times daily.

          February 2, 2013 at 11:05 am Reply
      2. Always laughahaha

        You're giving this guy shit because solar is teaming up with cfc while your alliance NCdot is quite obviously riding that hbc cock. What gives?

        January 31, 2013 at 5:49 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          You guys were teamed up long before this unless you want us to forget about what happened in that region known as Gemniate

          January 31, 2013 at 6:10 am Reply
          1. CSM SeriousBusiness

            not shooting each other in a handful of 3ways a few month backs is a long therm colation…

            you Sir are retarded

            January 31, 2013 at 11:55 am
          2. anonymous

            and this is different from what we are doing how exactly?

            January 31, 2013 at 7:02 pm
          3. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            Not shooting in a 3 way? You mean how you and CFC came at the exact same time?

            I was there and our scouts were on CFC`s comms. Don`t lie, we were CFC pets and thats why we left SOLAR, because everytime Mactep teams up with CFC they get treated better than his own block.

            February 2, 2013 at 11:07 am
      3. Guy

        So what you're saying is that it's okay when n3 calls for PL help, but it's not okay when the drone regions ask for help from the CFC? Eve players are the best at having double standards.

        January 31, 2013 at 5:55 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          Solar had CFC help before we had PL's help and you guys moaned about it constantly. Can you possibly deny CFC have been friendly with Solar for a long time now?

          January 31, 2013 at 6:12 am Reply
          1. Guy

            Sure, Solar and CFC were friendly for a long time, although until now the support they gave was pretty limited. Nobody is arguing otherwise. But there's no high ground to take when n3 is willing to call in PL and occasionally HBC support.

            January 31, 2013 at 6:16 am
          2. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            Limited support? LOLOL

            They sent 200 man fleets everyday in October/November and CFC scouts would give us intel.
            Also they had cap channels incase we needed Slowboat support. We also were offered CFC gangs daily at end of war.

            Who are you, that you think you know what happend?

            February 2, 2013 at 11:09 am
          3. Guy

            If CFC had actually integrated with solar they would've set standings with all the drone regions guys and coordinated attacks on vale and geminate tech.

            As it stood they did virtually nothing until october/november and even then they tried to keep out of the drone regions. Afterwards Evoke tech in geminate was transferred over to ncdot and nulli, then was taken by solar and brick, and later fell to PL with no CFC involvement at any point in time.

            If they'd continued to deploy to assist solar then we certainly wouldn't be in a situation where drone regions are pretty much finished and FA/Razor are being camped in a station because they sent too little too late (aside from being awful at Eve). This was a terrible move by the CFC and I really hope you guys take full advantage of it.

            So yes, for whatever reason, their support was limited.

            February 2, 2013 at 11:45 am
          4. trololo

            Actually NC. helped PL when PL had a contract from RA and xDeath to headshot SOLAR. They jumped SOLAR's Geminate holdings and moons. Of course SOLAR did not forget this and it was what provoked the fights in Geminate later. It was also the reason why SOLAR did not want to help NC. when they were fighting goons. And I can't say I blame them. NC. acted like a bitch, and no one can blame SOLAR for not wanting to help the people who jumped on the 'kill SOLAR' bandwagon a year ago. Russians are like that, they tend to remember people who do wrong by them and hold grudges for a long while.

            January 31, 2013 at 10:22 am
          5. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            They didnt try to kill us, stop exaggerating. NC. fought us and took some moons that we won from PL. They also were being paid to fight us, but at no point was our SOV threatened deep into SOLAR systems.

            You are another who wasn`t there and just read about it.

            NC. was always saying GF to us, and often times when camping us in would give us an hour+ to gather troops and fight them. They wern`t trying to jump on the "Kill SOlar anything"

            February 2, 2013 at 11:12 am
          6. srsly man

            did you just join eve or something?

            January 31, 2013 at 10:00 pm
      4. Thodoros

        Razor is not coming here to gain more space.
        Razor did not want to destroy IRC either, i could go as far as say that we like IRC.
        We also like fighting N3 as they gave us fights.
        But on the other hand we dont trust them to have them as neighbors either.
        With Solar we know exactly where we stand, but who is his right mind would trust the NC./PL/N3 malarky and let them live in their borders?

        PS. Yes we are bored and we are looking for fights.
        PS2. We are not allies with Solar either, we respect them for be themselves.

        January 31, 2013 at 5:01 pm Reply
        1. Lol CFC Not Bluing

          Rzr and any CFc dont understand how to "Fight with someone" but not ally them.

          First thing CFc does is become butt buddies and share channels, then you guys start scouting for eachother, then you start sharing Comms and in this case will co-ordinate attacks and logistics with there English speakers.

          That isn`t just showing up for fights, that is ALLIANCE.

          February 2, 2013 at 11:15 am Reply
        2. Good thng u rnt Smrt

          Funny how you no trust NC.

          Why would you trust anyone? Are you afraid NC. will smoke you and take your SOV? Then who cares if they are neighbors?

          You have the 5 time more man. And if you cant win with those numbers you shouldnt have SOV.

          February 2, 2013 at 11:16 am Reply
    4. 0.o-ish Grunt

      Solar put the final nail in IRCs coffin. I am no longer with the alliance but they are planning some things and lets just say they arent inline with SOLAR FLEET anymore.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:20 pm Reply
    5. Vel'drinn

      Sadly a good chunk of IRC are HBC now. EPA, Tinco, Black Watch, Ahb Empire and others joined Unclaimed. or other alliances in the south like Insidious or Walltriepers.

      I loved EPA in IRC but left because of this. I simply could not get over the idea of fighting the blue blob for so long to end up joining them. Live free or die…

      I can't say I really blame them. The map is polarized as North and South with little room for independents.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:48 pm Reply
  21. Velvet

    Yeah 160 of them are currently in Great Wildlands…go go go for those that don't like them

    January 31, 2013 at 3:20 am Reply
    1. wow

      really i saw local at the highest of 56 so far

      January 31, 2013 at 3:38 am Reply
      1. bupi

        260 plz

        January 31, 2013 at 8:40 am Reply
  22. Jakes

    this deployment won't end well

    January 31, 2013 at 3:26 am Reply
    1. recollector1973

      Yep, for HBC (N3 is part of them if you don't get it).

      January 31, 2013 at 7:19 am Reply
      1. N3 duder

        you're the same flavor retard as "another CFC bot down" guy, arent you?

        January 31, 2013 at 7:25 am Reply
        1. Get Out

          Another CFC bot down, eat me biatch.

          January 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm Reply
    2. The Observer

      not ending well now.. FA and RZR have lost some caps to the move as it is already.

      January 31, 2013 at 7:20 am Reply
      1. lol

        Not much of an observer. One archon is not "some caps". At least he lost it to a large fleet of red carriers and not a handful of subcaps like this N3 noob today:

        January 31, 2013 at 8:52 am Reply
    3. O_O
      January 31, 2013 at 2:02 pm Reply
    4. Worms


      Razor/FA vs PL/N3/Nulli

      Razor and FA are not much more than just some meatshield alliances of the Goons. Their members are carebears, while PL are vets with supercapital alts.

      January 31, 2013 at 3:00 pm Reply
  23. eve pilot

    i smell a proxy war about to start what better excuse do some of the smaller alliances within the HBC need to to support N3 and this will put the HBC in good light when they join with N3 to hammer goons at a later date

    January 31, 2013 at 3:33 am Reply
  24. Shogun

    Can we call CFC+Solar coalition the BOTbrothers?

    January 31, 2013 at 3:36 am Reply
    1. zap u

      You made my day šŸ˜€

      January 31, 2013 at 6:18 am Reply
    2. The Observer


      January 31, 2013 at 7:19 am Reply
  25. Cannonball1

    The amount of garbage being spewed in the comments section is insane. Someone write an EN24 article clarifying the history of the N3/Ink/Red war on Solar!

    January 31, 2013 at 4:17 am Reply
  26. doh'rly

    This will eventually lead to a North vs. South nullsec war.

    CFC, Solar Bloc on one side vs. HBC & N3 Bloc on the other.

    January 31, 2013 at 5:21 am Reply
    1. bupi

      and the fight will be held in JITA jeah in the middle of the map

      January 31, 2013 at 12:40 pm Reply
  27. anonymous

    Anyone else remember what happened the last time Razor deployed to the south to fight Nc. back when we owned providence? I do and it was hilarious.

    January 31, 2013 at 6:15 am Reply
  28. Seagun

    What about the blender?

    January 31, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
  29. Aonus

    TO me this just seems like a way for CFC to secure ties with Solar & Co should HBC go to War with CFC…. hmmm

    January 31, 2013 at 7:07 am Reply
    1. bupi

      or they just fear that Meatshield Solar, should they vanish couldnt hold the Waves from the south.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:41 am Reply
      1. Aonus

        what im saying is that they seem to be wanting to make sure they secure allies. "dont worry, we will help you. just make sure when we need you, your there to help us!"

        ^^ that right there.

        January 31, 2013 at 7:59 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          that worked out so well for -A-

          January 31, 2013 at 8:16 pm Reply
  30. PVP Cunt

    Now should all (N3, RA , HBC PL and others) attack CFC in north. Its the only smart thing to do. Other wise we waste only time. CFC members will bail soon when real war starts, cause they mostly ratters. Solar is PVP allaince and they will fight much longer. So to win this war against CFC and Solar we should start with CFC which is morally much weaker alliance.

    January 31, 2013 at 7:07 am Reply
  31. Zoleekaa

    No Supers – just regular Caps (carriers + dreads) – I still remember when PL said the same before they married test during Delve v. 23.0 ……

    January 31, 2013 at 7:23 am Reply
  32. Letsbebros

    Not sure where you get all your info from but this isn't a CFC driven thing at all. Razor wanted to go somewhere and do something and FA wanted to help. Rumors were N3 had plans to hit the north after they finished Solar so the whole thing was pre-empted from what I understand, but hey… you guys keep dreaming the dream and living the lie it's all good :)

    January 31, 2013 at 8:24 am Reply
    1. MushroomMushroom

      They are just easing in so it isnt too obvious.

      See how long it takes for goons to get involed…

      January 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm Reply
  33. bupi

    Theyr deployment went something like This:
    Phase 1 "Were Heroes lets go for PEW yeah we rock shit"
    Phase 2: Jump in carriesr, get Hotdropped by other carriers lose carriers and stay docked.
    Phase 3: get all thyer infrastructure reinforced and smacked in local by the n3.

    Id say Job well done Razor and FA, you didnt even show up to fight lololol

    January 31, 2013 at 8:36 am Reply
    1. bupi

      check fingerpuppets and zefs comment for visual confirmation and information šŸ˜‰ <3

      January 31, 2013 at 8:37 am Reply
    2. hii

      yes congrats you momentarily inconvenienced a moving fleet and killed a single carrier and RF'd a POS, we may as well go home.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:48 am Reply
      1. bupi

        you can stay as long as you want, if you can afford it, im looking forward to the upcoming fleets

        January 31, 2013 at 10:00 am Reply
  34. Highsec Perspective

    Okay, to all the N3 fanbois posting here, did you even bother to listen to the recording? The recording makes it abundantly clear that this is a pre-emptive strike against N3, not because they are buttbuddies of SOLAR. They recognize the strategy N3 currently has, taking sov in the south-east, consolidating, and most likely at some point in the future, attacking CFC. But before they can deal with CFC, they have to destroy or weaken SOLAR. Hence, to prevent this inevitable attack on CFC by N3, Rzr and FA are going to attack N3 and in so doing, "help SOLAR."

    Based on this recording alone, SOLAR does not seem to have invited FA or RZR to assist them (no batphoning), and it is difficult to believe SOLAR would batphone anyone, let alone non-blues (and hence, potential enemies to their coalition). SOLAR – as far as I've been able to ascertain over the past year and a half – has a very strong, independent attitude (many people call this "SOLAR, doing what's best for SOLAR"), they don't like to be subjugated by any mega-coalition; they fight the good fight, reward loyalty among allies, and hunt down their enemies mercilessly. In reality, castigating SOLAR for doing what's best for SOLAR is just another stupid double standard, as all alliances in EVE nullsec are just as self-interested; let's not pretend Nulli Secunda or NC. have no alliance interests at the expense of others, puuuweeeeese.

    Having FA and RZR come down of their own volition to fight shared enemies makes SOLAR no more a "pet" of the CFC than the N3 are "pets" of HBC because they are blue with PL, who is a part of the HBC. Also let's not forget what happened on the weekend where Nulli, NC. and PL co-operated with TEST to fight CFC; the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Nulli and NC. obviously knew this this weekend, and SOLAR knows this too, hence why they're supporting the idea of RZR and FA coming down to fight N3. The political situation in the south is fucked and ambiguous because in-spite of being blue to PL, N3 are constantly attacking PLs allies and coalition-mates. Either N3 ultimately ends up joining the HBC, OR PL splits from HBC and joins N3. This inconsistency can't continue for much longer…

    Also, some retard tried to present the SOLARCO vs. N3 fight as "balanced" in numbers – trying to pretend that otherwise l33t pvpers are NOT dogpiling and then complaining of being blue balled, well, here's a quick tally of alliance numbers (excluding non-fighting renters and insignificant alliances under 200):

    SOLAR FLEET: 2023
    SOLAR WING: 1462
    Ethereal Dawn: 1170
    ROGUE: 1011
    STR8NGE BREW: 561
    Black Core Alliance: 2157
    Persona Non Gratis: 826
    Against All Anomalies: 257
    Imperial Legion: 570
    PNG Associates: 217 (renters???)
    Brick Squad: 906 (I haven't seen them in any SOCO fleets afaik, although many consider them as part of the coalition)
    Flamebridge: 1392 (afaik, I've only seen a single Flame Bridge member in a SOCO fleet all week, they do just about nothing)
    Total: 12, 552
    Total (without Flame Bridge, PNG Associates and Brick Squad as they are questionable): 10,037
    Darkside and Gorgon also come to mind, although lately, I haven't seen Gorgon assisting SOLAR as much as before and Darkside seem to do their own roaming thing, these two combined are an additional 1025 pilots.

    Nulli Secunda: 2396
    Nulli Legio:926
    Northern Coalition.:1832
    Pandemic Legion: 1692
    Red Alliance: 1878
    RED University: 757
    The Kadeshi: 787
    Echoes of Nowhere: 311
    Pangu Coalition: 833
    Why So Serious: 989
    Verge of Collapse: 422 (questionable, only seen them on a few fleets)
    HUN Reloaded: 821 (also questionable, although more certain than with VoC, seen them more often with N3 fleets)
    Mildly Intoxicated: 277 (another questionable, don't think I've seen them participate, but in the political orbit of N3 it seems)
    Total: 13,921
    Total (excluding questionables): 12,401
    In addition, from what I've heard, the Unthinkables play the same role on N3's side as Darkside does on SOCO's side. I'm not sure where Rebel Alliance of New Eden, Wicked Nation, Darkspawn or Moon Tribe fit into this :S, but assuming they are under the political orbit of N3, that's another 3,370 pilots.

    January 31, 2013 at 8:38 am Reply
    1. Highsec Perspective

      So, we're looking at a slight 10-30% advantage for N3 in gross numbers. But this doesn't tell the whole story behind the alleged "blue balling." First, there is a decided edge in escalating to supercaps among the N3 side. I can't even begin to fathom how many Supercaps and Titans NC., Nulli (who has many former Evoke corps), PL and RED have compared to SOLAR, because they are probably the only alliance in the coalition with significant numbers of "Supers." N3 probably outnumbers SOLAR 4 x 1 (at least) in "Super's" and in a sov-war, "Super's" are king because they give you the edge in escalating and structure bashing.

      Second, N3 carry a HUGE advantage in number of skilled pvp pilots. The only alliance that I have heard N3 admit have good pilots is SOLAR, so combined with their WING training alliance, that gives them: 3500 good pvp pilots. N3 have PL, NC., Nulli (who are at least decent if not very good) and tournament standouts like VoC and HUN: about 8000 good pvp pilots (and some of the best in all of EVE). That's the real ticker yall should be looking at when whining about blue balling and why SOLAR doesn't engage their 150-man Maelstrom fleets vs. 250-400 N3 fleets who always have the option of escalating to "Super's," because dying in a fire fighting against stupidly stupid odds is not fun, it's pointless.

      All this said, I'm disppointed RZR and FA are coming to fight N3. As far as I was aware, N3 only wanted to kick SOLAR out of Cache and Insmother which isn't so bad, they'd still have Perrigan Falls, Spire etc. I'd rather SOLAR retain their dignity, confined to three regions in space rather than throw into doubt whether at some point in the future, they won't develop "friendly" relations with the CFC and cease to become the last, real independent bloc in EVE nullsec (N3 doesn't count as "independent" since they're blue to PL which is blue to 75% of null…). I'd much prefer SOLAR continue their ways of being awesome Russian space vikings.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:38 am Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        Then again, politics is politics, ugh.

        January 31, 2013 at 8:42 am Reply
        1. maru

          SOLAR made their bed when they decided to cozy up to -A-. They got absolutely nothing out of it except entire truckloads of shit poured down their throat. So much for MACTEP's famed political calculations.

          Also, for the record, PL is not blue to N3 as a coherent political entity. They may – may – be blue to NCDOT, but that's it. Right now it's more that they have mutual interests; PL wanted to punish SOLAR for backing -A-, and N3 wants SOLAR browbeaten for a combination of geopolitical and historical reasons.

          January 31, 2013 at 9:02 am Reply
          1. Guy

            PL has staged itself out of uemon and has fairly obviously been supporting the n3 effort. In fact I'd go as far as to say that the recent collapse of most drone region resistance has been because of PL. It's pretty clear why they're around – they want to see the end of the drone region coalition.

            If solar collapses it means n3, which is starting to get competitive numbers, would border CFC space. In combination with the HBC they could easily destroy the CFC (as demonstrated the other day in Asakai). It's pretty easy to see why the CFC is starting to deploy and I wouldn't be surprised to find the rest of them over there if things don't go well.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:11 am
          2. maru

            Who the fuck's going to occupy the drone regions, though? There's nobody anywhere near worth propping up in there. RA's already having to scrape up the shambling corpse of IRC to assist with the long-term securing of their newly-acquired space, so you know the situation is really goddamn bad. I would genuinely be shocked to see N3 advance any further than Etherium Reach, and even that would (A) be done solely to put a boot on the logistical throat of the drone regions and (B) probably be a bridge too far in terms of capability to meaningfully control and defend.

            Any talk of a terrifying N3 advance through the entire drone regions resulting in an assault on Tenal through Cobalt Edge is pure bloody fantasy.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:19 am
          3. Highsec Perspective

            Don't ya think you're ignoring (just a little bit :P) the 6000 renters SOLAR has right now that can be used to "fill the space" if need be and generate some solid income for N3 – hell, just last week there was a news story about the great success of Nulli Secunda's renter scheme, wouldn't be surprised if they'd be enticed to expand on that success ;).

            And there's also the possibility of *shockingly!!!!* new alliances entering and populating nullsec space. I'd think N3 would be heavily encouraging this, trying to get more non-CFC and HBC affiliated alliances into nullsec.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:34 am
          4. Maru

            As Tribal Band most recently shows us, it's one thing to dredge up five thousand empire kiddies and shove them in an alliance, and it's another thing entirely to make a functional entity worth the name out of it. You need FCs, doctrines, infrastructure, supercapitals, intelligence services. These things do not develop over night, and ultimately all of them are necessary to produce an alliance that can hold territory without constant hand-holding. Any talk of "new alliances" needs to be couched a good six, twelve months down the road, because that's about how long it'll take any new arrivals on the scene to get up to speed.

            As for renters, you never ever put them on the front lines. It just leads to tragedy all around. They need to be positioned safe and secure in the strategic depth of a bloc, otherwise they just get brutally farmed by roamers and serve as a huge vulnerable point to any aggression.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:45 am
          5. Guy

            LXQ itself is only 15 jumps or so from CFC space and I could see brick space easily getting taken, or brick could be convinced to joinup with n3 if solar collapsed completely, since they have never gotten on well with goons. If you were in CFC that'd look pretty threatening, right?

            January 31, 2013 at 9:41 am
          6. cfcprogandaslayer

            more cfc propaganda bro?

            January 31, 2013 at 10:48 pm
          7. PL member


            January 31, 2013 at 9:20 am
          8. BntyHunter

            In fact I'd go as far as to say that the recent collapse of most drone region resistance has been because of PL

            Good thing you know little about it then. Seriously you dont know what the hell is happening.

            65% of our major wins have been without PL at all. PL comes when they want to kill, but unless they get fat juicy targets they chill and sit it out.

            Anyone who is actually here fighting knows its mainly Red/Nulli and us/NC.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:59 am
          9. Guy

            This was a decent discussion til you started posting.

            Morale collapsed and the drone region fleets started to vanish immediately after PL got involved. They didn't even need to do much other than take a few capital systems. The very existence of PL nearby and possible HBC support was enough to make the drone region guys give up – at that point it was an unwinnable fight.

            January 31, 2013 at 10:04 am
          10. Huh

            So basically cower like pussies? Say your home gets broken into, lets say 3 people, and you're solo. You'll just walk out the backdoor and let them have their way? Or will you put up a fight and dare those motherfuckers to take what is yours?

            Sounds pretty shitty to me…

            January 31, 2013 at 2:34 pm
          11. asdf

            Say your home gets broken into by, let's say over 9000 Supercaps…

            January 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm
          12. RobFromMarketing

            Yeah, you are right…becouse before PL showed up to kill SOLAR's SUPERS or Capitals they were winning like 99% of the fights….
            Shut your hole dude, SOLAR never won anything of importance in the fights against N3…with or without PL on the field.

            P.S. PL is neutral to NC. (don't know about Nulli thought) ..although they do not go super kills or kill each other at fights against SOLAR.

            January 31, 2013 at 11:42 pm
          13. Steppenwolf

            thats true, only when Solar has more than a 100 dudes N3 call PL for help. the rest of the times they fight on their own.

            January 31, 2013 at 10:20 am
          14. wow

            i dont even know how many times we have had equal or less numbers and solar still didnt fight

            January 31, 2013 at 10:50 pm
          15. Solar Pet=Best Pet

            Then plz explain this:

            Why is PL taking sov in drone space, hmm?

            January 31, 2013 at 6:35 pm
          16. wow

            because pl need space am i fight?

            January 31, 2013 at 10:51 pm
          17. srsly man

            claims the guys who have PL on speed-dial

            January 31, 2013 at 10:35 pm
          18. Good thng u rnt Smrt

            Man you really are one misinformed poster.

            You act as if you are aware of whats going on but its clear you have CFC blinders on.

            February 2, 2013 at 10:45 am
          19. Highsec Perspective

            While I agree with much of what you're saying, none of it justifies removing PL from being counted among N3s allies in this conflict with SOCO. Indeed, I have also heard they only have blue standings with NC., but I think it is incredibly naive to believe that PLs co-operation with N3 extends only in so far as there exist "mutual interests," that ignores a metric buttload of the history of tight br0-mance between NC. and PL to the point where it's difficult to talk about one alliance without mentioning the other. These two have been tied to the hip going on two years now.

            I consider PL and NC. as basically one entity, two different corps, and so if NC. is part of the N3 coalition, PL is also strongly connected to that coalition – in spite of also being associated with HBC, hence why I said the political situation in the south is fucked. PL is basically part of two, competing coalitions.

            Furthermore, judging by the recent BRs, PL are heavily invested in destroying the english SOCO alliances, that seems to be their primary focus right now (apart from hotdropping any supers they can find). They took LXQ from the english SOCO dudes and just a night or two ago took the other capital for english SOCO, LEM-I1.

            TL;DR: PL is part of HBC and N3, political situation is fucked in south, SOLAR is dogpiled, shit's about to get real…

            January 31, 2013 at 9:26 am
          20. Maru

            For all the historical bromance between NCDOT and PL, there's a lot of bad blood between PL and Nulli, and frankly it's Nulli that handles most of the coalition-level policy in N3 (thanks to the tacit admission of Vince et al that maybe they are not so good at this diplomacy thing). The overall relationship between PL and N3 as a whole is a lot more ambivalent than you think.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:33 am
          21. Highsec Perspective

            That's actually pretty interesting, I haven't heard much about Nulli's relationship with PL. That said, given PLs participation in this conflict and their co-operation with N3, I don't think it's difficult to justify placing them on the side of N3.

            January 31, 2013 at 9:48 am
          22. Gemi

            PL is not blue with NC. but does collaborate on certain fights.
            As far as the PL deployment is concerned, it's because of a contract against SOLAR and friends. We've got much more respect for SOLAR then for the people that hired us for this, however a contract is a contract.

            January 31, 2013 at 10:08 am
        2. wow

          ok so you are counting alliances like pl as n3 is funny as shit and the fact your quoting from their alliance meeting everyone knows the cfc throws tons of bullshit lies at their line members to make them they are being threatened so they will go fight. With your logic the hbc could say "omg they deployed cfc is getting ready to attack us in the future all hands on deck" then were would they be? out numbered and fucked again

          January 31, 2013 at 10:45 pm Reply
      2. Sigh

        Highsec Perspective

        Cowards words -> because dying in a fire fighting against stupidly stupid odds is not fun, it's pointless

        Dotbros fought 3to1 outnumbered and raped CFC fleets,and even fought cfc 5to1 plus outnumbered and did well.
        Anybody cowarding about fairly equal numbers as war goes is a complete whimp when you consider the disadvantage Dotbros were at vs CFC's huge blob.
        Man up GTFO

        January 31, 2013 at 12:29 pm Reply
    2. madhatta18

      i thought methodical aliance was part of the ncdot family or are thay now solo ?

      January 31, 2013 at 8:47 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        Methodical alliance is a renter alliance

        January 31, 2013 at 6:52 pm Reply
    3. Lords

      Remove pandemic legion, verge of collapse, hun reloaded from your list. The numbers are quite equal on both sides.

      Hun reloaded does w/e, hardly part of n3. Pl (at least prior to the asakai fight) isn't even blue to them, but there is a bro understanding of no shooting supers between them. Verge of collapse is a wh entity that shoots just about everyone without bias.

      Raw numbers of pilots in alliances in coalitions has never and will never mean anything. The cfc are so bloated with numbers it's not even funny, yet they still couldn't field enough numbers to prevent their shit getting pushed in a few days ago.

      It's all about who will get into fleet, and how to keep your pilots morale up. Ncdot was fielding much smaller numbers back in trib/vale as that kind of war grinds on ppl. That's why they left for the south – their numbers have since rebounded in a huge way.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:56 am Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        If you look at my list, VoC and HUNs are counted as questionables and there is a separate Total (excluding questionables) for both sides; on that metric, N3 still handily outnumber SOCO.

        As for PL, I see absolutely no reason to remove them from the list considering they have been relentlessly attacking SOCO english alliances, and just last night (or two nights ago?) took the capital system of the English SOCO alliances: LEM-I1, not to mention previously taking LXQ deep in the heart of SOCO space. Also, if memory serves me right, I'm pretty sure I've seen BRs where PL have been actively co-operating with NC. and Nulli, engaging SOLAR together.

        Indeed, I agree that raw numbers aren't everything, hence my second post where I talked about the massive edge N3 also have in Super's and high quality pvp pilots; even excluding VoC, N3 outnumbers SOCO in quality pvp pilots more than two to 1 (7500 vs. 3500) and in Super's, probably 4:1 if not more.

        TL;DR N3 should not be surprised and really should stop complaining about getting "blue balled." Any alliance worth their salt would "blue ball" against these odds. The inclusion of FA and RZR will make things more interesting.

        January 31, 2013 at 9:10 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          The only thing you say is true is our better Pilots. Supers dont matter if both sides dont field them, and so far only SOLAR has. They have a lot more raw numbers. You are acting as if the list of our allies are all mobilized…they aren`t. Solars on the other hand are since Solar is the boss of that block, we aren`t N3 is really 4 on that list…
          [Red might as well be in this case]

          The reason we are winning handily is very simple. This isn`t cocky, im not patting us on the back its just the way we play, IMo its just facts. There aren`t many groups in game that are as sound in tactics/motivation/discipline and basically everything that makes great fighters in Eve. We dont carry SOV for ourselves [we rent it mainly] so unlike groups like SOLAR we dont need it….

          We are very very hard to beat when it comes to similiar numbers. Hell sorry to say we are very hard to beat when outnumbered 3:1, GSF/CFC proved this by having to ramp up numbers to 5:1 to beat us.

          This means when smaller groups [like SOLAR] fight us they dont have much of a shot, because they are trying to fight a group who is on Special forces level with similar numbers as them.

          There is a reason its not hard to get into SOLAR and it is very very difficult to get into NCDOT and PL.
          There is a reason its why you need 65 mil SP, its not because higher SP is better but we ALL at bare minimum are req not just to fly certain ships but have them mastered, this means fleet doctrines others can`t use as a whole…It means having hardcore unit cohesion. It also means our Logi pilots are the best in game at both Exp and fittings squeezing every last inch of reps in there.

          People forget ships in Eve are radically different just with 5% better stats, so imagine even if we had the same ships they would be 5% better as a whole, now add a 5% better powergrid and realize you can now use T2 fittings where you needed Meta 4`s, and you couldnt use the NAPOC fit you wanted because PG or CPU. Then imagine no one can bring a regular Apoc, then imagine our FC`s 100% know what our fits will be everytime.

          These are HUGE advantages similar to overheating but having it happen all the time. Now add better reaction times from 100 of hours of fighting and better recent action to keep your mind sharp.

          So when newbs look at ships in game and figure " Looking at the ships all lvl 4 is almost just as good as Lvl 5 skills" they on paper are right until you actually look at the game.

          5% in all stats is so massive its not even funny, now imagine that at 300 guys. 5% more DPS, 5% more Alpha,
          5% more reps, 5% faster cycles….Its massive and that is 1 of the major differences.

          We work so hard on our training and keeping sharp with all our fits that we really are 95% as good with ALL OUR SETUPS as the niche groups who use them. We would give PL a hell of a fight in there NAPOC`s, meaning we would beat most others in game, we are as good with Hellcats and Ahacs as anyone in game. We are as good with Tengu`s as AAA / BL, so we can beat most others in game. We still use Alpha Nado`s/Maels as well as anyone even the Laz/GSF masters. We run Naga`s and Rokh`s better than anyone in game, and TBH the Naga we made famous just like PL made Napocs. We aren`t better with bombers as the BB or Gypsies but damn well close meaning we beat most others.

          The list of ships that we all are lvl 5 with goes on and on. Meaning we can take groups who are more "Part time militia`s" and beat them/Tie with there own ships, and then bring 15 more ship types we can beat them with. this is the diff between professional soldiers and guys who PVP part time.

          TBH its super hard/Impossible to maintain a force much bigger than ours and stay so tight while keeping up with latest ship builds.

          There is a reason the Elite fighters ingame will band together but themselves never go over the 3k mark
          Etc etc

          Its just to hard having a block and owning Sov and fighting as much as we do, thats why we prepare to lose our Sov and just leave in hours at anytime. Sov makes alli`s weak and soft, and in Eve you can either be Large and fat or you have to be small but super tough and mean, there aren`t many other options.

          We chose small but elite and band together with other elite units. We dont look down on others infact we love groups like Nexus [newbs] Pangu [small but there 20 guys are tough] etc.

          SOLAR IMO bit off more than it could chew just vs NC./Nulli/Red [These are the main groups] now add PL and its not raw numbers its sheer numbers of professional fighters.

          All our buddies could be top 5 Mercs in game if they wanted, and we gravitate towards eac hother because we like to win.

          January 31, 2013 at 9:56 am Reply
          1. DemFalconDot

            I'm in NC., but that was just a bit too much.

            January 31, 2013 at 12:00 pm
          2. NullSecHoBo

            Lol you are the best spokesperson for NC. ever. Secret to your success – you actually believe what you're spouting :)

            January 31, 2013 at 10:24 pm
          3. srsly man

            wow, so full of yourselves, sounds like some ppl need lives outside of eve..

            January 31, 2013 at 10:48 pm
        2. anonymous

          You underestimate how many supercapitals Solar Fleet has

          January 31, 2013 at 6:54 pm Reply
          1. orz

            Shame some 80% of them existed only to farm sanctums.

            January 31, 2013 at 8:26 pm
      2. crazy hun

        We are part of N3 but on coalition level we ain't much of a threat to anybody. Our raw numbers must look decent but that includes a lot of burned out and offline vets. Also we don't have any serious newbie training program because we were/are space hobos for a long time. So our fleet participation ratio is pretty low unfortunately. 30-40 peeps are pewpewing on a daily base and maybe twice as much can show up at important OPs. Nulli wasn't inviting us to the coalition because we are empire killers or something but because of old friendship and mutual respect.

        Btw PL, test, most of the CFC alliances are still red to us, and the solar block is neut. Our blues are only the N3 members and some old bro lowsec and npc null alliances.

        With this standing map I don't feel like we are hbc pets. It's all about politics :) <a href=" _www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg” target=”_blank”>…” target=”_blank”>_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

        January 31, 2013 at 11:56 am Reply
        1. crazy hun

          Ah I messed up the link <a href=" _www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg” target=”_blank”>…” target=”_blank”>_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

          January 31, 2013 at 11:57 am Reply
          1. crazy hun


            January 31, 2013 at 11:59 am
          2. crazy hun
            January 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm
        2. real deal

          After this statement can't see the reason what are you doing under the protective barrier of N3.

          January 31, 2013 at 2:54 pm Reply
      3. Huh

        Grinds on people? Hahaha, you are obviously not a dot. That was the most fun I've ever had in my nearly 2 years in NCdot and look foward to going back to push some CFC shit in again. Grind on my ass. Let's do that shit again.

        January 31, 2013 at 2:44 pm Reply
    4. Guy

      This is a really good summary of things.

      As far as I know alliances like Brick, Unthinkables and Darkside aren't really that involved – Brick space is a bit of an anomaly after they had more success last year in geminate then I think they were expecting, but anyway they've never integrated well with any coalition because they're too disorganised/don't care about the big political movements. Unthinkables as far as I heard wanted to be more independent and do some smaller gang stuff. Darkside is darkside and I doubt they'd support a single side for any length of time.

      January 31, 2013 at 9:23 am Reply
    5. BntyHunter

      You have taken soooooo many liberties as to numbers its not even funny.

      First and generally 1/3rd of the groups you list for N3 are not full time deployed to fight SOLAR and just live in the general area next to N3 and only fight when they are bored, so saying they will be in fleets in any real numbers is stupid, they only bring handfuls esp in the beginning before we started to win all the time.. you list 1k members as questionable but its a whole lot more.

      Kadeshi lives near but has no obligation at all.

      RED U
      N Legio Are both training allies and have very high numbers of players 2nd accounts not to mention that once more they are proving grounds.

      Rebel Alliance of New Eden, Wicked Nation, Darkspawn or Moon Tribe
      Are not beholden at all and are totally free and rarely have produced numbers, so its good you admit little.

      Also Gorgon has been fighting us very often lately. TBH you have so much incorrect information its hard to know where to start.

      Another thing is out of all the numbers you chose to list ALL the SOLAR numbers are beholden to SOLAR in a major way and they owe SOLAR there loyalty, all we have to be sure is.

      PL comes when they want and have come often because its only place with fights.

      So based on actual numbers and not your fantasies….

      Nulli Secunda: 2396
      Northern Coalition.:1832
      Pandemic Legion: 1692
      Red Alliance: 1878
      RED University: 757
      Pangu Coalition: 833
      Why So Serious: 989

      And this is very very generous.
      About 10k at absolute maximum, like I said only 4 on here are mandatory, but if any others had business elsewhere they would be gone.

      So now you are forgetting they are bringing 5k more players to this match?

      If you followed these fights in the begining you would realize we hadn`t increased numbers at all, they decreased as they lost there asses in most fights.

      Also the SuperCap argument means nothing. In this war no one has fielded supers as a whole on either side, except SOLAR and they killed 3 Red SC`s, so that is out the window.

      Your numbers dont come close to telling any real story.

      January 31, 2013 at 9:39 am Reply
      1. Highsec Perspective

        I figured you'd come along, alright, to address some of the stuff you brought up:

        1. Training alliances. Yes, I included Nulli and RED training alliances, and for consistency/fairness reasons, I also included SOLAR training alliance. The total characters for N3 from those two training alliances is 1683, for SOLAR WING, 1462, so it has a neglible impact on biasing the numbers one way or another. Furthermore, there is ample evidence that RED-U, Nulli Legio and SOLAR WING are heavily involved in the conflict. I've seen plenty of BRs where there are solid amounts of participants from each of these alliances, hence their inclusion in the total forces.

        2. Insignificant alliances. You argue that 1/3 of N3's numbers should be struck from the list because they don't bring any "real numbers," the exact same can be said however for many of the SOLAR alliances. The problem with this statement is that there is no clear line as to what constitutes "real numbers" and what doesn't. The best we can opt for is common sense. Now, using my common sense, and judging from the BRs I've seen lately, I'd say that the only real/the main participants in this war are: SOLAR FLEET/WING, AAA (Anomalies), Black Core Alliance, Ethereal Dawn, ROGUE, Persona Non Gratis and Gorgon Empire vs. Nulli Secunda/Legio, PL, NC., Red Alliance/University, HUN Reloaded, and The Kadeshi (I've noticed more Kadeshi vs Pangu people). Your list will of course differ from mine. The above is 9,546 vs. 11,089, N3 still has a gross numbers advantage in active participants in addition to a larger potential pool of pilots AND the Supercap edge + active good pvp pilot edge (SOLAR/Gorgon vs Nulli, NC., PL, HUN–>4100 vs. 7600). (fuck, I said all that in one breath)

        There are also alliances I forgot to include before: Nexus Fleet for N3 (1277) and Protocol 13 for SOLAR (527). They don't account for much in the fights, although add to N3's numbers advantage.

        3. SuperCaps are not the I-Win button they used to be, but don't try to pretend they aren't a significant advantage and forced to be reckoned with on the battlefield, especially when N3 can field them in the numbers that you guys can. I wouldn't be surprised if my previous figure of 4:1 advantage is conservative!

        Think about it this way, SOLAR cannot beat you on raw numbers, the only way to get around that in general is to be more "l33t" or use SuperCaps to augment your forces. SOLAR can't really go the "l33t" route because you have more and better skilled pilots overall than their coalition does. And they can't go the SuperCap route because you'll just surpriz buttsecks the shit out of their Supercaps with your grand armada of SuperCaps. Conclusion is that SOLAR is fucked because N3 has just about every possible advantage on their side, so don't be surprised about the blue balls, that's totally normal (you don't need to see a doctor for that at all :P).

        Anyways, with the inclusion of FA and RZR, I doubt the tide of the war is going to change, N3 will still be "winning" because of the advantages listed above(SOLAR will have gross numbers, but N3 still has more caps and higher/more pvp skilled pilots), but I do expect it to become a bit more challenging for the N3. We'll see how long it takes for this supposed "morale boost" to affect SOLARs fleet numbers, though I don't expect it to be immediate.

        As I said before, I don't like that FA and RZR came down to "help SOLAR," in-fact, I think politically, it's probably one of the worser outcomes. Had RZR and FA not joined this conflict, then N3 may have been content to remove SOLAR from Detorid, Insmother, Cache and leave them licking their wounds in the Drone regions. I don't think N3 would have outright destroyed SOLAR. But, now with FA and RZR joining the fray, undoubtedly, N3 grunts such as Bnty Hunter will wax poetically on and on and on ad infinitum about some alleged grand conspiracy of butt-brotherhood between the CFC and SOLAR, and use that paranoia to justify wiping SOLAR completely off the map. Wouldn't be surprised.

        January 31, 2013 at 11:10 am Reply
        1. Blue All the things!

          It's difficult to include Nexus in the N3 count due to the relative newness of all their players. It's an alliance where almost every pilot is a 2012 player, and I wouldn't imagine many of them have more than 10 million skill points. Sure they will probably be a pretty good PvP alliance by the time their players mature and get some skill point behind them. but at the moment I'd be surprised if they are capable of contributing much more than tackle or T1 cruiser gangs to the N3 coalition.

          January 31, 2013 at 8:26 pm Reply
      2. Highsec Perspective

        As for you Bnty Hunter, dude, you got to chill. My post is not about attacking N3 or NC. As a coalition, N3 has some interesting potential in counterbalancing HBC and CFC, although its relations with PL make that potential somewhat dubious. NC. has some of the best skilled pilots in EVE and my post is not about taking away that sense of "l33tness" from yall (because we know how important it is for your self-image/ego :P), it's about trying to show you that for once in your life, you are NOT the underdog fighting against overwhelming odds as a sign of skill. You have just about every possible advantage in this fight. You are heavily favoured. You are winning. Losing is not fun for those that are losing. Therefore, you WILL get "blue balled." Stop complaining about it, or acting surprised that it's happening. Some respect to your opponents, for at least trying to face such overwhelming odds up until now would also be kind of groovy.

        TL;DR: SOLARCO is still fucked, will continue to avoid fighting N3 because of being massively outgunned in just about every possible way; FA and RZR might help in the short-term, but only make things worse for SOLARCO in the long-term.

        January 31, 2013 at 11:10 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          I respect solar's pvp skill even though I highly disagree with some of their past decisions. It remains to be seen but I don't think having FA/RZR here is going to help you at all. It will put your numbers a couple thousand above ours up until test decides that since FA is there they are going to come blob the shit out of them since everyone knows test hates FA.

          January 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm Reply
      3. Maru

        Nulli Legio is its own alliance. It is not a training alliance, nor is it some sort of feeder for Nulli Secunda. Don't confuse it with Nulli Tertius, which is an alt-holding alliance for S2N.

        January 31, 2013 at 6:45 pm Reply
    6. n3lead

      Your numbers are pretty ok except that you really need to remove PL from the n3 list. PL is a third party off this fight and are blue to no one in n3. They have their own reasons for being in the area and the only time n3 isn't shooting PL are when we have strat op with a target that is more important then brawling with PL. If you remove PL from the n3 list you will see that our numbers are pretty even. Most of the times PL shows up in a 40 – 60 man fleet shooting stuff and then leave..

      The alliances that are fully deployed to fight Solar from N3 side are the following:
      Nulli Legio
      The Kadeshi

      There is also a small number off ppl from HUNS, Echos of nowhere and other smaller alliance connected to N3.

      Then you got NCC with Red Alliance, RED University, WHYS0 and some other smaller pets/renters

      The relation between HBC and N3 can for some be a bit hard to understand. We have decided to coexist for the time being, that means we have a NIP and not a NAP with HBC. At the moment HBC isn't our main enemy, we are not war. But that doesn't mean that we are friends. We take every chance we have to brawl with HBC alliances as must of them like to shoot people as much as we do. To most alliance in N3 all of the main HBC alliances including PL are set to -10.

      January 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm Reply
    7. RA Member

      Lol N3 is not blue with PL right now my friend. They invade our space all the time on roams. PL has helped us win a few fights against CFC but thats about it. They are not our allies they might soon become our allies because they have been talking with the diplos in teamspeak a lot lately

      February 12, 2013 at 12:33 am Reply
  35. madhatta18

    i would like to see eve online put a coalitoon option into the game ie alaince goin an aoffical coalition on the same structure as the aliance stuff then we will get the real stories of who is with who on a true blue bases and who just becomes a blue for a big fight

    January 31, 2013 at 8:50 am Reply
    1. DubbaYooArr

      No need. In fact its better without a Coalition level option. Everything would become too rigid and there would be no mystery to the politics of Eve and war. It is the people on the fence/edge of coalitions that make things interesting. Just because certain groups re-align with others during times of war does not mean they are permanently joining a coalition power bloc.. some joining the 'war coalition' in order to fight a common enemy but beyond that there may be little to no relations between their partners in war.

      January 31, 2013 at 4:59 pm Reply
  36. o7o7o7o7


    Welcome to south! Oi let me tell u something! In ruski GW u don't go to fight …. fight comes to u!!! Ok! Will portal to you later OK? Mactep dosvedanya o7o7o7o7o7. U now went to bed with Wizard Of Oz! Watch ur back for backdoor man trap. But I think is already too late!

    January 31, 2013 at 8:55 am Reply
  37. n3 member

    jesus christ when will people listen N3 aint blue with PL or test, they aint HBC pets

    January 31, 2013 at 9:39 am Reply
    1. DemFalconDot

      Never, because, you know : propaganda:

      January 31, 2013 at 12:03 pm Reply
    2. Always laughahaha

      But you only exist in the space you have because they allow you to, at least admit that.

      January 31, 2013 at 1:52 pm Reply
      1. Sigh

        More of a mercy for HBC tbh,with NC. and bros loss down south would only create a nightmare for HBC,so aligning for mutual means is HBCs best option and N3 a awesome ally to be aligned with.
        If you like fights not many other places as good to go to.

        January 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm Reply
      2. anonymous

        That would imply that they attempted to fight us in anyway and somehow subjugated us?

        January 31, 2013 at 7:05 pm Reply
    3. yeah

      Of course you aren't. It's just Vince is in PL, N3 lives in TEST space and conveniently invites PL&co to the party when solar is anywhere near remotely trying. Not strictly blue or anything, just gangbanging the "common enemy", sharing intel a little, notifying about ops. A not-exactly-blue not-really-a-donut, aren't we? "It's not like I'm your pet or anything, baka!"

      FFS. For all the Universal Evil and John, you are the BoBs, CFC at least aren't THAT hypocrites.

      January 31, 2013 at 2:06 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        Test space? We did the grinding and we took that space explain to me how it is test space.

        January 31, 2013 at 7:06 pm Reply
    4. erroch

      If they were blue to the HBC we wouldn't be making a habit of roaming and shooting at them regularly. N3's good people, but they're not blue to HBC.

      Though honestly if the north comes down to try and push N3 out, I can see this changing. I'd personally love to keep N3 has neighbors because they're fun to fight with.

      January 31, 2013 at 2:45 pm Reply
      1. lord

        Wasn't the south in the north last week and demonstrate who helps whom?

        January 31, 2013 at 3:48 pm Reply
    5. Charles Darwin

      Didn't n3 racing to asakai last week demonstrate pretty clearly that n3 and hbc are in bed together. How about PL helping them dogpile solar? N3 are de facto part of HBC deal with it.

      January 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm Reply
      1. darwinfail

        you're full of shit. NC. would stop at nothing to kill some goons supercaps. but outside of that we regularly shoot each other.

        January 31, 2013 at 4:03 pm Reply
      2. PL Member

        The simple truth ^^^^

        January 31, 2013 at 4:29 pm Reply
      3. anonymous

        dogpile is a big word to use when highsec perspectives post has the numbers seperated by ~1500

        January 31, 2013 at 7:07 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          p.s there were CFC supercapitals tackled and you think we wouldn't come running? Black Legion was there too are they HBC pets?

          January 31, 2013 at 7:07 pm Reply
      4. Good thng u rnt Smrt

        No SOLAR is being attacked by Pl because a contract. It has nothing to do with N3.

        N3 aren`t HBC, they remain NON-BLUES. And if N3 is HBC, then SOLAR IS CFC DEAL WITH IT.

        February 2, 2013 at 11:21 am Reply
    6. some dude

      "aint" isn't a word you moron n3 monkey

      January 31, 2013 at 7:55 pm Reply
  38. lord

    Maybe the whole leak was planned to kick butts on whole other side

    January 31, 2013 at 10:01 am Reply
  39. Tombomb13

    Looking forward to you guys coming down to visit RED! :-)

    January 31, 2013 at 10:42 am Reply
  40. RDN veteran

    I dont like NC. ,becose they backstab us, but…i hate goons so i hope thet we are gonna join party on Nc,PL side

    January 31, 2013 at 11:02 am Reply
  41. droljica

    You dont make "…pre-emptive strike against N3…" with bunch of cruisers and bc.

    Its more like joke.

    January 31, 2013 at 11:08 am Reply
  42. Worgenstern

    So.. Fatal Acension + Razor Alliance = Fazor Alliance ? (Plays theme from Star Trekkin')

    "There are N3's on the Starboard bow, Starboard bow,Starboard bow, Zagdul"

    Ah, some harmless fun :)

    January 31, 2013 at 11:10 am Reply
  43. Sherlock Holmes

    This is really just a ploy to help silver snake and Hirr to get their stuff out isn't?

    January 31, 2013 at 1:51 pm Reply
    1. Grunt


      January 31, 2013 at 2:41 pm Reply
  44. Shoot the tech

    Yet again another fake war. HEY HERE IS A CLUE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP SOLAR FLEET START SHOOTING NCDOTS TECH MOONS. You know the ones goons gifted them after evoke left. Come on people this is as bad as the test vs goons fake fight.

    N3= cannon fodder for the tech barrens NCdot.

    HBC= cannon fodder for the tech barren PL

    CFC= cannon fodder for tech barren Goons.

    Come on people can't you see these fight are fake and you are being used. Solar you are being played a fool and being used to create a fake war for OTECH.

    This reminds me of the sharks vs jets from west side story type fights. Seriously would some one start a real war and shoot the tech moons.

    January 31, 2013 at 2:01 pm Reply
    1. IWuzThere

      Obvious troll is obvious. NCdot doesn't have any tech moons.

      January 31, 2013 at 2:18 pm Reply
      1. Shoot the tech

        Would you like to know there locations. Most of them are in low sec. The sad part is this all fake. Vince is a puppet of the goons. He has his own personal tech moon and NCDOT has about 10.

        January 31, 2013 at 2:41 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          So let us know so we can verify this

          February 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm Reply
    2. TNT

      you are 100 % correct. These are like in the cold war just proxy wars

      But people wont listen. This is even teaching a lesson for life. A crowd can not be that stupid? Watch Eve, learn the next totalitarian regime in RL is just a matter of the right brainwashing propaganda. People are that stupid.

      January 31, 2013 at 2:56 pm Reply
    3. Eve Opera fanboy

      Your "westside story comparison labels you as old and gay…. Doubled down on that comment ya?

      January 31, 2013 at 8:00 pm Reply
      1. Shoot the tech

        You make my point for me. That is exactly what these fights are fake, old and gay. Also consider the fact you knew exactly what i was refrring to with westside story. So you a pitcher or catcher? Your insight wins u a gold star.

        February 1, 2013 at 6:03 pm Reply
  45. Lionel Joeseph

    Roamed the staging systems of FA and RAZOR last night. Outnumbered at least 2 to 1. FAZOR was set to stun. They are definitely not in the fight yet. Doesn't even seem like intel channels are up.

    But I look forward to their involvement. Changes the dynamic of this being a complete shitshow to a good fight now. Right now the Alonelands are pretty sparse in pickings.

    January 31, 2013 at 2:33 pm Reply
  46. MushroomMushroom

    Oh come on, everyone had to see this coming:

    CFC got their asses kicked in the big brawl because HBC was able to call upon all the people that have a grudge against the CFC and outnumber them.

    CFC had an *oshit, we need new allies now we reset Test before they all gang up on us, beter rethink that whole not getting involved with the russians before Solar decides to shoot us too*

    Its as simple as that.

    January 31, 2013 at 4:13 pm Reply
    1. blaa blaa

      I remember not so long ago, the CFC went to delve (not asked by Test) to get some good fights in Delve and Querious, this also helped Test get these regions populated…

      people seem to forget these things… they spent a couple of months in delve/querious then moved on to tribute and kicked NC. and bro's out of there space.. since then RZR had some fun wanting to take a couple of systems in CE as a foot hold in that region as IRC was hitting RZR structures while RZR was deployed (this was done as a responce to there hitting there structures) and was not supposed to be a mass sov grind cos CE is shit space anyways…. not seen alot about RZR for 3 months I think it was leaked that they was on a 3 month break to get iskies into there wallets, now they are deploying south with FA to find fights….

      Not heared alot about FA apart from loosing caps to TEST I think it was. shame they have to go so far to find a fight, suppose thats what you get for killing all the reds/neuts around you…

      February 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm Reply
      1. Dogbeast

        FA had their own campaign to Syndicate, whereupon they got thrashed by the motley collection of local residents and decided to pull out after losing on a daily basis.

        February 9, 2013 at 9:57 am Reply
  47. Shitdoo

    Razor and FA will get their asses handed on a plate by PL. It is a save bet.

    Then Mittani will talk and give Shitdoo some more Tech to spare Goons. Since they are all soooooooo great buddies, Shitdoo will agree. PL has a history of taking "contracts" of billions of ISKs – and still let their contractor die, when they can pay no more, like it happened to DRF.

    January 31, 2013 at 4:40 pm Reply
  48. RDN. 2DCL

    Kaisur plsss lets go kill som CFCs!!!

    January 31, 2013 at 4:51 pm Reply
  49. blaaaa

    'We wont be grinding stuctures'
    'We want to put up 150-250 man fleets'


    January 31, 2013 at 5:35 pm Reply
  50. lalalala

    oh shit, some PVP happens again in EVE, that is a real mess and everybody starts to complain now again about numbers and strategy.

    January 31, 2013 at 7:18 pm Reply

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