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I am going to post this one as I received it, there is a leak on Kugutsumen and another one in the reddits, both seems to be missing small bits of another, but other than that it’s pretty much the same. Somehow I can’t shake the feeling this is all a just a big troll, an old Reliables Inc. friend used to say: “Once a super-cap goes down, all the bets are off – else is just shit and giggles”.

[Montolio + Mittens pix redacted]

CEO Update: The Madness of Montolio

This is an extraordinarily awkward update to write, because I’m about to burn a bridge. Actually, let’s be realistic – this bridge set itself on fire many months ago, and it’s only now that I’ve given up trying to pretend that we have any kind of relationship with Montolio other than his seething, passive-aggressive hostility towards GSF and the CFC. As you know, things have been batshit with TEST the past few days, ever since they openly announced a desire to kill off our neighbor in Fade, Fatal Ascension, while under the protection of positive standings.

The literal sum of the drama is this: Bring Stabity, TEST’s diplo to the CFC, announces that Montolio plans to try to instigate FA into attacking TEST so that TEST can kill off FA while still blue to the CFC. This is problematic. However, we have tried to err on the side of gentleness when it comes to Montolio’s antics, and so we just removed the HBC from GFAllies, our shared jabber channel for allied leadership. As responses to “we are planning on killing your neighbor and ally who you share a border with” go, this seems pretty tame. Given that Montolio’s spat with FA had already queered the dynamic of the channel to where our allies didn’t feel comfortable talking in there, this was probably going to be necessary even if the “We’re trying to kill FA under your nose, lololol” stuff from Monty hadn’t come out so directly.

Does this seem like a petty drama to you?

It does to me, as well. And yet we are on the verge of a massive all-nullsec bloc war because of this: the passive-aggressive behavior of one alliance leader, culminating in an explosion of triviality.
After being removed from the GFAllies channel due to his threats against FA, Montolio lost his shit. Where we made no public announcement of these changes, Montolio posted a sticky thread on the TEST forums and broadcast to his entire alliance about what had transpired; he also removed every CFC jabber account from TEST’s servers. Since this took place, Monty has issued an increasingly erratic series of jabber broadcasts, mostly relating to a bunch of people eager to kill us joining forces with him:

Expect to see some N3, NeoCurse, and potentially Solar Fleet people on jabber in coming weeks. Please do not copy any fleet broadcasts into a public room.

Progodlegend and Gorga of S2N are already on jabber who else is coming?
[4:43:45 PM] Vince Draken: I will send LadyScarlet

(We note that Solar and N3 are at war with one another in Cache, and these all-broadcasts on TEST jabber from Montolio are clearly intended to spook or intimidate the CFC, or boost Monty’s confidence, or something.)
Tonight we’ve seen a bunch of Kugu posting by Montolio, and instead of it being about FA, he has apparently decided to vent his spleen about how awful Goonswarm was for daring to help out in Delve during the SoCo campaign:
With regards to Goonswarm insisting on owning a few ‘defensive systems’ in Delve & Querious – Goonswarm has a huge trust issue. The monolithic approach to the entire coalition alienates anyone that wants to be independent. Check each CFC region, you are likely going to find at least one Goonswarm staging area. It took us over a year to get PNQY in Fountain, which they literally never used. One of the big reasons that Goonswarm can attempt to take credit for campaigns is because they refuse to integrate allies within campaign command or fleet command positions. Goon skymarshals, Goon FCs.

It works, but it sucks sometimes. Goonswarm aid always comes with preconditions.

There are more similar posts; these came after a missive yesterday called “FA Shot First” written by Montolio, blaming FA for starting all of this – some kind of spat with BDEAL, an alliance you have all no doubt forgotten, over a year ago, a controversy that no one has talked about at all until Montolio needed to find an excuse for his extreme behavior. His motive is transparent; in response to being separated from GFAllies for announcing an intention to kill FA, Montolio kneejerked and kicked the CFC off his jabber, wrote a screed about how it was all FA’s fault anyway due to forgotten year+ old drama, and is now tag-teaming on Kugu with his trusty second-in-command Rob3r about how this is somehow all back to GSF being awful. We’ve had to deal with years of this kind of passive-aggressive crap from Monty, and things have seemingly reached a point of no return.

What In The Everliving Fuck Is Going On?

Montolio could be an evil space mastermind and this is all part of his grand plan to bring about our downfall. More likely, he could be erratic by nature and spoiled by TEST’s position in nullsec politics, leading to behavior like a tantrum-prone child. Here are some possibilities:

He could be malicious: attempting to kill one of our strongest allies under our noses, while surrounding himself with allies which are vehemently hostile towards GSF, such as Raiden (who he gave space to in Querious) and ‘N3’, the new home of Nulli Secunda and Northern Coalitiondot, both of whom starred in recent Eve Online dramas the denouement of which involved ignominious retreat for the anti-CFC forces, setting up a classic divide, surround and conquer strategy re: us. However, this requires a fair degree of long-range planning on Monty’s part, and I think this theory is probably just me being exceptionally paranoid. Let us be charitable, for a moment.

He could be bonkers: his reactions to events have been completely outsized, overreactions and escalations on a grand scale. His behavior has been unpredictable and erratic, and in fact he is well known for this. While “dude is fucking nuts, who knows” is kind of a cop-out as explanations go, it’s a pretty solid contender, considering how often his goals and narratives (FA shot first! No wait, Goonswarm is at fault! etc) shift.

He could be spoiled: We helped Montolio take Fountain, and with PL helped take Delve, Querious and Period Basis; when we went home after one of his tantrums, PL helped prosecute the war against the SoCo to its final conclusion. When Montolio wanted tech moons, we gave him our own. When Montolio began his protracted slapfight with Fatal Ascension, we did little more than say ‘play nice now’ and turned a blind eye. When Montolio accused us of trying to use our jump bridge systems in Fountain of being ~secret staging areas to destroy TEST~ (PNQY, J5A) we gave them to him; when he decided that he didn’t want us to help defend Delve from the W-4 constellation, we handed over every system in the region to him and shrugged it off.

In almost every situation I can think of, the strategy of ‘escalate and throw a tantrum’ has worked for Montolio when he gets into a conflict; he does not appear to know how to deescalate a situation or calm down, and as long as PL or the CFC was there to back him up, this kind of strategy worked a charm against a number of enemies – until he tried the same on a CFC member.

To my knowledge, “No, you can’t hang out in GFAllies while plotting to kill off FA, sorry” is the first time we have said “no” to Montolio, and he has completely flipped shit about it – like a spoiled six year old child punching and kicking because he couldn’t get a fourth lollipop today. Perhaps this is a monster of our own creation, by being so accommodating over the years; regardless, it is clear that reason, negotiation, and reconciliation are not options, as everything so far has only accelerated his penchant for psychodrama and petty lashing-out.

What about TEST?

We like TEST. We helped bring them safely into a nullsec that tried to kill us, in the same place; while Reddit and SA might have their spats, as line members go we are fairly similar when compared with the rest of Eve who have no ‘mother forum’ to call home. We have no quarrel with the line members of TEST. We get along peachy with folks like Durrhurrdurr and Walter Stine, and my best friend in Madison is the CEO of a corp in TEST. Half of my silly website is staffed by loyal TEST members. That makes this situation tremendously awkward: our problems with TEST pretty much just come down to “Montolio is a passive aggressive child”, and the guy seems intent on driving us all into some kind of foreverwar with Every Alliance We Beat The Shit Out Of In The Last Four Years as his darling ~friends and allies~.

Right now Montolio seems to think – or is claiming to anyone who will listen – that GSF is getting ready to invade TEST. We are not, and that would be retarded for a whole host of reasons – not only do we not need the space, it’s a coinflip if we could even win, and most importantly we like TEST’s membership. In reaction to this nonexistent invasion, Montolio seems to be running around Eve rallying forces against us while we are still nominally allies – all for our terrible sin of quietly separating him from FA, who he plotted to destroy, in a jabber channel. It is difficult to get past how laughably petty the instigating event of all of this drama is.
TEST is a member of OTEC, so even if Montolio drinks more Kool-aid and resets us we will not be attacking his tech moons (the techs which we gifted to TEST) unless he launches an actual attack on us.
It’s clear that we basically cannot deal with Montolio on any level, and will conduct all our TEST diplomacy (what little left there is to do) via junior diplos, and leave him to his hobbies of concocting obscure resentments, being bitter as hell about GSF, and plotting our doom. TEST has not been removed from our jabber or our forums, and we will keep them blue and hope that this fit of madness passes, and/or someone will give the screaming child a lollipop already before our eardrums rupture.

I Am Offended About TEST/FA/Delve Sov/BDEAL

ou’re going to see an awful lot of posting and sperging and narratives thrown around in the next few days as Montolio talks himself into resetting us and going to war for kicking him out of a jabber channel after he was caught plotting to kill off our neighbors. BDEAL drama from a year ago. Goonswarm said this/that about Sov this one time in Fountain or Delve and was an evil parent. FA/Zagdul did this or that and is a jerk/not a jerk. For example, Delve was Goonswarm putting its foot on Montolio’s neck, rather than responding to a direct request for aid.

What actually happened in Delve? I’ll post some logs here, because this seems to be the centerpiece of the upcoming ‘evil goons’ narrative Monty is pushing on Kugu. On June 24th, Monty asks us in no uncertain terms for help – not to mention adding that everything is perfectly cool with FA (remember ‘FA Shot First’?)

First, Montolio comes to Courthouse on June 24th, asking for aid.

(23:55:31) [email protected]/:ese:: based on what I’ve seen today you’ve been talking to just about everyone trying to get people to dogpile to delve because soco put up 700 people for an sbu shoot, right?
(23:56:33) [email protected]/home: More or less, yes
(23:56:50) [email protected]/home: The consequences for failure before today was that we just went back to Fountain
(23:56:52) [email protected]/:ese:: I haven’t seen any battle reports or really followed the kugu thread or anything, but I assume shit’s pretty much gotten real?
(23:57:05) [email protected]/home: The consequence for failure now will be a reinvigorated new bloc that is hostile to us
(23:57:16) [email protected]/:ese:: have they come out and stated that their intent is to pressure fountain?
(23:57:29) [email protected]/home: They are moving proxy elements into Fountain
(23:57:36) [email protected]/home: and they are all dogpiling into Delve
(23:58:14) [email protected]/home: We are very concerned that the enemies will form into something that is much more threatening then we anticipated
(23:58:39) [email protected]/:ese:: okay, then basically shit’s real, so if there’s any advice I can give it’d be to let the people who are good at their jobs do them. Unfortunately that may mean that we take more operational control than you guys had stated you were comfortable with.
(23:59:03) [email protected]/:ese:: because if the alternative to winning is that fountain is threatened, egos be damned it’s time to win.
(23:59:19) [email protected]/home: You can have total operational control
(23:59:20) [email protected]/:ese:: that’s not to say that test leadership doesn’t have a place
(23:59:23) [email protected]/home: Or Pandemic Legion can have it
(23:59:28) [email protected]/home: Ego is out of this now
(23:59:35) [email protected]/home: What we do now has consequences for more then TEST
(23:59:45) [email protected]/:ese:: yeah, I’m just CFC coalition management and diplomacy, not so much the skymarshal.
(23:59:56) [email protected]/:ese:: so this is just advice and isn’t binding
(6/25/2012 00:00:06) [email protected]/home: We are willing to turn over 100% of it if thats what we need to do to win this

(00:16:00) [email protected]/:ese:: what’s the status of the relationship between test and the groups you guys ‘for fun’ reset a month or two ago/
(00:16:08) [email protected]/:ese:: I’m specifically worried about FA
(00:16:19) [email protected]/:ese:: because there were a lot of unkind words passed between both groups
(00:16:22) [email protected]/home: Well RAZOR is already here
(00:16:33) [email protected]/home: and Fatal Ascension is on the way already
(00:16:42) [email protected]/home: They are either in Syndicate or Aridia at the moment
(00:16:50) [email protected]/home: The FA thing has evolved into more of a playful competition
(00:17:07) [email protected]/:ese:: FA just finished syndicate intending to go to aridia next
(00:17:30) [email protected]/:ese:: I was on their TS a half hour ago
(00:17:54) [email protected]/home: I have no serious animosity towards Zagdul anymore
(00:18:00) [email protected]/home: Fighting is great for getting that out of the system
(00:18:13) [email protected]/:ese:: okay. probably a good thing to let him know if you haven’t already
(00:18:25) [email protected]/:ese:: if he’s an asshole about it let me know and I’ll take him back behind the barn
(00:18:42) [email protected]/:ese:: but that was something that I was worried might turn into a thing
(00:18:44) [email protected]/home: We’ve been talking, he was the first CFC to offer help
(00:20:32) [email protected]/:ese:: okay good, that means it won’t be a thing

I’m in Alaska at the time; the next day I pop on for some serious business planning in an allied jabber, and everything is smiles with Monty:

(1:49:57 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: hello
(1:50:03 PM) [email protected]/home: hi
(1:50:39 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: so what’s up?
(1:51:00 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: I’m yelling at our dudes for causing problems, but yeah. I don’t really know what’s going on either
(1:56:40 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: would you like some insight into why theadj is upset?
(1:56:55 PM) [email protected]/home: sure, because I have no fucking understanding of it
(1:58:43 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: he’s put in a lot of work to help out down south. work he was by no means obligated to do. I suspect he feels like he’s being shat on for not doing enough work.
(1:58:59 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: when yeah, he’s done a lot.
(1:59:05 PM) [email protected]/home: We are doing a sov swapped that was agreed on by both sides
(1:59:11 PM) [email protected]/home: and you guys want to do the bear minimum on this end of it
(1:59:19 PM) [email protected]/home: bare
(1:59:31 PM) [email protected]/home: I don’t understand it mostly because its god damn cap work
(1:59:36 PM) [email protected]/home: The one thing you should never do fragmented
(1:59:39 PM) [email protected]/home: and its just cynos
(1:59:44 PM) [email protected]/home: its as low effort as it gets
(2:00:50 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: but it isn’t particularly mission critical at this point either. I reckon our dudes are just a bit worn out from all this and are looking for ways to lessen their workload.
(2:01:07 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: none of which implies a soco level of fragmentation I don’t think.
(2:01:24 PM) [email protected]/home: We’ve been doing this for months
(2:01:50 PM) [email protected]/home: The entire region your getting NOL is so that GSF will feel invested in the region
(2:01:54 PM) [email protected]/home: entire reason
(2:02:38 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: perhaps, but that’s more symbolic than practical when it comes down to it.
(2:02:56 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: goon are I’m sure looking forward to ratting in delve though
(2:03:00 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: *goons
(2:04:10 PM) [email protected]/home: We fight 50% of the war, CFC comes down GSF claims victory and stands up as backbone of the entire thing and then people don’t want to do the grunt work at the end
(2:04:16 PM) [email protected]/home: CFC is going home this weekened
(2:04:17 PM) [email protected]/home: weekend
(2:04:20 PM) [email protected]/home: Period Basis isn’t done
(2:04:48 PM) [email protected]/home: You can perhaps understand why we are upset
(2:04:54 PM) [email protected]/home: or confused, or whatever you want to classify it as
(2:05:41 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: no, I really can’t. as you said before, this isn’t about egos. this was about winning. we, collectively, won.
(2:06:02 PM) [email protected]/home: You guys came for the ‘win’ but not the ‘finish’
(2:06:13 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: I don’t realistically think you need the CFC to finish off PB anyway do you?
(2:06:38 PM) [email protected]/home: Need? No, but it really shoots the entire concept of a friendly collective of guys that like each other
(2:06:51 PM) [email protected]/home: Especially when we are giving GSF ratting rights to the region that we conquered before you even showed up
(2:07:32 PM) [email protected]om/home: We needed you to win this war, no illusions on that
(2:07:33 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: the ‘finish’ bit is a hard sell I think to people who don’t feel like their help is wanted or appreciated. as you said, we can “just head back to VFK and collect those technetium deposits” while you handle it.
(2:07:38 PM) [email protected]/home: But you guys want sov you want infastructure down here
(2:07:41 PM) [email protected]/home: bridges and shit
(2:07:52 PM) [email protected]/home: It feels really unfair for you to show up for the climax only and then leave
(2:08:34 PM) [email protected]/home: If you just came down, hi5s all around, some battles and then rode bikes back north nobody would be this confused
(2:08:41 PM) [email protected]/home: But you guys want to be INVESTED in this
(2:08:45 PM) [email protected]/home: You have 49- and NOL
(2:08:52 PM) [email protected]/home: You took 49- specifically to invade Catch
(2:08:54 PM) [email protected]/home: When you aren’t doing
(2:08:58 PM) [email protected]/home: which you aren’t doing
(2:09:40 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: to the best of my understanding, you offered us whatever we needed. which we took you up on. which was then renegotiated at your behest. ex post facto of that, I don’t understand the anger about us wanting the things you said we could have, and are in any case no longer getting.
(2:10:19 PM) [email protected]/home: I said you guys could have whatever you needed to win this war
(2:10:29 PM) [email protected]/home: The war was one as soon as you came down here
(2:10:59 PM) [email protected]/home: The majority of my subcaps are out on a fucking boat fleet right now
(2:11:06 PM) [email protected]/home: So my caps are grinding without sub or coalition support
(2:11:42 PM) [email protected]/home: Whats the point of NOL and 49- when you guys don’t even have the energy to help us swap a station?
(2:12:28 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: honestly, I don’t understand why we’d want them either if we’re not running bridges to them. maybe nol I guess, but not 49-
(2:12:52 PM) [email protected]/home: Right, and we are just going to end up with a J5A/PNQY situation again
(2:12:57 PM) [email protected]/home: Bridges out of fuel constantly
(2:13:01 PM) [email protected]/home: because no goons give a shit to fuel them
(2:13:29 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: as we’re not running any bridges, that strikes me as unlikely
(2:13:40 PM) [email protected]/home: Joe asked us for bridging systems today
(2:13:48 PM) [email protected]/home: and linked a map that wouldn’t even work
(2:13:49 PM) [email protected]/home: heh
(2:13:56 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: he was unaware of the changes made
(2:14:55 PM) [email protected]/home: I’m just really confused by this entire campaign
(2:15:08 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: how do you mean?
(2:15:14 PM) [email protected]/home: This is the first time we asked you guys for help with a TEST campaign and its been drama and frustration from the start
(2:16:26 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: true. for what should be entirely obvious reasons though.
(2:16:57 PM) [email protected]/home: Its because you guys weren’t in charge of it all from the start
(2:17:07 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: no.
(2:17:13 PM) [email protected]/home: then what was it
(2:17:17 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: are you familiar with the concept of a self fulfilling prophecy?
(2:17:32 PM) [email protected]aseignore.com/home: I am yes
(2:18:25 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: that’s pretty much it.
(2:18:52 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: for example, the pnqy/j5a thing?
(2:19:07 PM) [email protected]/home: go on
(2:19:26 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: sinister goon plot, key high way for the coalition, pick one.
(2:19:39 PM) [email protected]/home: key high that was never fueled
(2:19:43 PM) [email protected]/home: key highway that TEST could have run
(2:19:48 PM) [email protected]/home: But goons didn’t trust us enough
(2:20:08 PM) [email protected]/home: I was told by Mittens it was there because nobody thought we were stable and you guys wanted a stronghold to retake the region if we collapsed
(2:20:14 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: and indeed do now. it isn’t a matter of trust though, and therein you’re proving my point about self fulfilling prophecies.
(2:20:27 PM) [email protected]/home: If its not about trust, then what is it about
(2:20:45 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: practicality
(2:20:57 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: the same reason we hold an embassy system in tenal
(2:21:07 PM) [email protected]/home: TEST maintained the fountain bridge network with zero issues
(2:21:07 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: for incidentally, the same reasons.
(2:21:18 PM) [email protected]/home: The GSF practice of leaving embassies around makes people feel like pets
(2:21:40 PM) [email protected]/home: We are culturally extremely similiar
(2:21:46 PM) [email protected]/home: but your external practices alienate my members constantly
(2:21:47 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: surprisingly no. with one striking exception anyway.
(2:21:55 PM) [email protected]/home: and I have to actively manage that aspect of our relationship
(2:22:35 PM) [email protected]/home: seriously, I want to be super cool BFFS
(2:22:41 PM) [email protected]/home: But people make that so god damn hard
(2:22:49 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: that’s a matter of perception though, and you can either paint it internally as “hey we’re buds” or “the goons are keeping us down.”
(2:23:01 PM) [email protected]/home: nobody has to paint it
(2:23:05 PM) [email protected]/home: people make their own observations
(2:23:09 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: by mittani saying things like TEST is family during the sotg?
(2:23:19 PM) [email protected]/home: A month from now the 20 TEST caps on this fleet right now are going to remember this night
(2:23:33 PM) [email protected]/home: They are going to remember this as the night that goons were too good to help us grind five stations
(2:23:49 PM) [email protected]/home: That kind of shit isn’t erased by some casual SOTG mentions
(2:24:22 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: whereas some of our dudes are going to remember this night as the time the leader of test made snarky comments to them while fighting for them.
(2:24:28 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: this isn’t a one way street.
(2:24:38 PM) [email protected]/home: I made it after you guys decided to us
(2:25:20 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: not by my logs.
(2:25:39 PM) [email protected]/home: (11:46:04 PM) ninablaze: montolio: I don’t think so, just flipping NOL real quick
(11:46:08 PM) montolio: from what I understand GSF is only doing NOL and then riding into the sunset
(11:46:40 PM) ninablaze: lol, you really giving us shit right now montolio?
(11:47:17 PM) montolio: is that supposed to imply I should be grateful you aren’t assisting?
(2:25:39 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: theadj was provoked. but that’s neither here nor there.
(2:26:04 PM) [email protected]/home: after that your two dudes proceeded to tell me they were busy playing other games
(2:26:15 PM) [email protected]/home: and that those other games are more important then our caps once GSF has what it wants
(2:26:37 PM) [email protected]/home: (11:49:59 PM) ninablaze: I am personally enjoying Mount and Blade: Warband – napoleonic wars, am0k. has a rag tag group of drummer boys fighting the good fight
(11:50:17 PM) theadj: im trying to grind out an XL400 right now, I really want to try a maxed out speed atlas
(2:26:53 PM) [email protected]/home: XL400 – more important then our allies ~
(2:26:57 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: and there’s your narrative spin again which is exactly what I’m trying to communicate here.
(2:27:14 PM) [email protected]/home: I’m not spinning shit, im posting what was said
(2:27:27 PM) [email protected]/home: im genuinely fucking upset
(2:27:37 PM) [email protected]/home: I was just partying with GSF directors three days ago
(2:27:49 PM) [email protected]/home: I hugged mittens on Friday
(2:27:53 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: okay, then how about another narrative? one wherein those guys are weary from fighting, want to take a break, and such? not particularly sinister, no agendas.
(2:27:56 PM) [email protected]/home: and I can’t get you guys to help with a station
(2:28:04 PM) [email protected]/home: Everyone is weary!
(2:28:24 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: so why not cut them a break on a non-critical station transfer?
(2:28:28 PM) [email protected]/home: We just punched another coalition in the teeth and embarassed them so completely that they are blaming each other
(2:28:48 PM) [email protected]/home: Because it means that I will have 25 supers on 5 stations over the next few hours
(2:28:50 PM) [email protected]seignore.com/home: with no support
(2:28:55 PM) [email protected]/home: Which is the dumbest fucking thing
(2:29:26 PM) [email protected]/home: and if any of our enemies are smart they will bring their entire super fleet onto the field, wipe us and declare victory
(2:29:36 PM) [email protected]/home: and the rest of the CFC will through their hands up and go “WHY WAS TEST DOING THIS ALONE”
(2:29:38 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: hrm. well, that I’m not sure of. did you ask dbrb about his support fleet or whatever? I’m not honestly up on what fleets are up and about at the moment.
(2:30:04 PM) [email protected]/home: what we are doing right now is exactly the kind of thing you don’t do with caps
(2:30:12 PM) [email protected]/home: and you guys have been playing for years and don’t see that
(2:31:19 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: well that could be I dunno. I’m not an fc type at all I’m afraid
(2:32:10 PM) [email protected]/home: Please ask an FC if having 25 supers/caps unsupported doing predictable work for several hours past 04:00 is wise or not
(2:32:27 PM) [email protected]/home: heh
(2:32:51 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: I’d really rather not. the fc types tend to be a bit on the diva side
(2:33:13 PM) [email protected]/home: the only reason I’m remotely comfortable about it is this is the kind of shit PL would ruin in the past
(2:34:10 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: at any rate, now that mittani is back I’ll assume you want to talk with him, and I shall appraise him of the situation.
(2:34:26 PM) [email protected]/home: im sure he is going to be very angry with me for being an unreasonable nigger
(2:35:11 PM) [email protected]/parrotcave: I’m not sure, I’m really not up on your relationship with him. I was only very recently assigned to you dudes
(2:35:27 PM) [email protected]/home: GOOD LUCK

Four days later we’ve had enough conspiracy stuff, and Vile Rat tells Monty that not only can he have W-4, 49-, NOL, he can have everything that GSF initially asked for because we were out. Enjoy your new three regions, peace – we can’t handle the drama or the double-dealing. Meanwhile, Monty says he might step down and flirts with nailing himself on a cross. VR lays out some hard truths, that sadly don’t seem to have gotten through many months later.

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195 Comments

  1. Gunnar Williams

    Jesus Montolio just get PL and beat the crap out of Goons already so we can finally get Mittens to STFU about how great he is. BURN!!! BUUURRRRNNNN

    January 22, 2013 at 7:48 pm Reply
    1. Solar Pet=Best Pet

      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but:

      Vee, Endie and I just got off a 1.5 hour Skype call with Shadoo; I want to reiterate to everyone to behave and calm down, not violate the Rules of Engagement with the HBC, and otherwise not to do anything stupid. Our position is consistent, and shared by most of Great War vets in both the HBC and CFC – the people who /want/ a bloc war are not the people who actually have fought one like this. While it is clear that direct relations with some individuals are not healthy anymore, but we are not launching missiles, violating OTEC, or doing much of anything.

      *** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2013-01-22 21:31:53.194966 EVE, replies are not monitored ***

      ———————————

      But as you can see PL (represented by Shadoo) is too busy sucking on the big bad Mittens cock.. B)

      Also every single one of them agree SOV warfare is bad :|. But not when you can blob them, and bring big numbers of SC & Titans with no worries, for the lawl, for their safety at all, then it's ok.. 😡

      B)

      January 23, 2013 at 4:00 am Reply
    2. Solar Pet=Best Pet

      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but:

      Vee, Endie and I just got off a 1.5 hour Skype call with Shadoo; I want to reiterate to everyone to behave and calm down, not violate the Rules of Engagement with the HBC, and otherwise not to do anything stupid. Our position is consistent, and shared by most of Great War vets in both the HBC and CFC – the people who /want/ a bloc war are not the people who actually have fought one like this. While it is clear that direct relations with some individuals are not healthy anymore, but we are not launching missiles, violating OTEC, or doing much of anything.

      *** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2013-01-22 21:31:53.194966 EVE, replies are not monitored ***

      As you can see PL is too busy sucking on GSF cock!

      youtube downloader

      January 23, 2013 at 4:03 am Reply
    3. Solar Pet=Best Pet

      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but:

      Vee, Endie and I just got off a 1.5 hour Skype call with Shadoo; I want to reiterate to everyone to behave and calm down, not violate the Rules of Engagement with the HBC, and otherwise not to do anything stupid. Our position is consistent, and shared by most of Great War vets in both the HBC and CFC – the people who /want/ a bloc war are not the people who actually have fought one like this. While it is clear that direct relations with some individuals are not healthy anymore, but we are not launching missiles, violating OTEC, or doing much of anything.

      *** This was a broadcast from the_m.i.t.t.a.n.i to all-all at 2013-01-22 21:31:53.194966 EVE, replies are not monitored ***

      As you can clearly see, PL is still too busy sucking big DADDY Goons dick!

      (Had to add the dots in between Mittens because post gets automatically deleted if the word actually gets used)

      B)

      January 22, 2013 at 11:16 pm Reply
  2. Smokey

    excellent propergander from the goons so far as would be expected. They have been very consistent and proactive in painting Montolio as a "Winny little baby" yet while always being careful to state that they "Love the line members".

    Get the line members of your enemy to fight your enemy……very smart.

    But can people please just start shooting at each other. I don't care if its for some stupid reason i want all out war. Shit if i was the leader of either of these i would just announce

    Broadcast
    Fuck this blue doughnut lets have some fun.

    That's all the reason you need to start this war and most would be on board.

    January 22, 2013 at 7:49 pm Reply
  3. Jack Ripley

    Which ever alliances allow themselves to get dragged into this are going to get Eiffel Towered by CFC and HBC.
    Believe it…or not.

    January 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm Reply
  4. badnews

    taken from Kugu hence no war .. all stays as it is .. sad but true http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?41875-tl
    ******Dots: Excellent move by Mittani throughout this whole "cold war" between HBC and CFC. He made Montolio look like a fool, for backing off his initial plans and agreeing on a thunderdome (lol: as if none has tried this before). This way he destabilized Montolio's position within Test and HBC. I mean Montolio was not even invited in the discussions

    At the same time Shadoo is practically leading the HBC, switching the narrative from
    "burn it all" and "we give no fucks" and "it is fun to kill AAA"
    during the war against AAA, when numbers were critical, to
    "war sucks" and "lets do honorfights"
    when Montolio was baiting for a war between HBC and CFC.

    Once again .. blueball…********** we will keep on with this terrible 0.0 sigh

    January 23, 2013 at 1:37 am Reply
  5. carebear

    from Kug u Dots: bad news Excellent move by Mittani throughout this whole "cold war" between HBC and CFC. He made Montolio look like a fool, for backing off his initial plans and agreeing on a thunderdome (lol: as if none has tried this before). This way he destabilized Montolio's position within Test and HBC. I mean Montolio was not even invited in the discussions

    At the same time Shadoo is practically leading the HBC, switching the narrative from
    "burn it all" and "we give no fucks" and "it is fun to kill AAA"
    during the war against AAA, when numbers were critical, to
    "war sucks" and "lets do honorfights"
    when Montolio was baiting for a war between HBC and CFC.

    Once again .. blueballs … <- think Dots is right

    January 23, 2013 at 1:39 am Reply
  6. carebear

    Excellent move by Mittani throughout this whole "cold war" between HBC and CFC. He made Montolio look like a fool, for backing off his initial plans and agreeing on a thunderdome (lol: as if none has tried this before). This way he destabilized Montolio's position within Test and HBC. I mean Montolio was not even invited in the discussions

    At the same time Shadoo is practically leading the HBC, switching the narrative from
    "burn it all" and "we give no fucks" and "it is fun to kill AAA"
    during the war against AAA, when numbers were critical, to
    "war sucks" and "lets do honorfights"
    when Montolio was baiting for a war between HBC and CFC.

    Once again .. blueballs

    January 23, 2013 at 1:40 am Reply
  7. Hanso Hansolo

    Excellent move by Mittani throughout this whole "cold war" between HBC and CFC. He made Montolio look like a fool, for backing off his initial plans and agreeing on a thunderdome (lol: as if none has tried this before). This way he destabilized Montolio's position within Test and HBC. I mean Montolio was not even invited in the discussions

    At the same time Shadoo is practically leading the HBC, switching the narrative from
    "burn it all" and "we give no fucks" and "it is fun to kill AAA"
    during the war against AAA, when numbers were critical, to
    "war sucks" and "lets do honorfights"
    when Montolio was baiting for a war between HBC and CFC.

    Once again .. blueballs

    January 23, 2013 at 1:41 am Reply
  8. Jeperscreepers

    shadoo : My plan for a good fight isn't secret — we discussed it with Mister Vee, Vince Draken, Manny, some S2N dudes and some TEST dudes on public test mumble for few hours. The basic premise was simple: BLOCK war games in a set region. 3 Blocks enter, we come up with a workable SOV system for objectives and use a referee alliance to govern the outpost/jb/gen/etc ownership to a corp within the holder alliance. Then every block moves to set region and we start the wargame with ~20k characters in 1 region within 3 neutral blocks. …. great, we is starting pvp instances long live the blue hell

    January 22, 2013 at 8:55 pm Reply
    1. Mike

      Shadoo: we have to much to lose by real war guys, lets do fake wars instead, ok guys?

      Once again proving PL is the most risk averse alliance in the game, of course PL doesn't want to risk what they have for good fights, they have more tech per capita then any other alliance in the game. What they want to do is keep anyone that could ever hurt their supercap's on good terms, so Shadoo comes up with some retarded battleground idea that sounds more like warhammer boardgame, then eve.

      January 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm Reply
      1. I want to help

        Please try to be more kind. You are in a different place emotionally.
        You see, it's easy not to be risk averse when you've already had the everlovin shit stomped out of you and left beaten and broken on the floor, crying to the heavens "WHY?!?!?"
        If PL ever gets ass raped to the point that his shit just falls out then he'll be just like you.

        January 22, 2013 at 10:40 pm Reply
        1. Solomon

          ok, i try to be moar kind you bitch, your avatar shall die in fire and reduce his skillpoints to 900 000 bh.

          January 23, 2013 at 6:09 am Reply
      2. Ilana

        Shadoo is on Crack

        January 23, 2013 at 8:34 am Reply
      3. FormerCFCGrunt

        it sounds like they are actually planning to have good fights, but without terribad sov mechanics.
        so in a sense, bypassing CCP's turd and testing out a different system.

        in the end, it's all a game 😉 unless you make it serious business

        January 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm Reply
    2. FailCascade

      So its like faction war except I'd have to go to nullsec and I wouldn't get LPs and I'd be fleeted with 5000 neckbeards. Remind me again why anyone wants this?

      January 22, 2013 at 9:34 pm Reply
  9. SomeoneNobodyKnows

    Another useless story about a bunch of kids nobody cares about. Next

    January 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm Reply
  10. Bass

    Do something or STFU

    January 22, 2013 at 9:50 pm Reply
  11. Solar Pet=Bet Pet

    (7:55:05 PM) pleaseignore.com:
    I concede.

    Shadoo has talked me off of the ledge, I have released the hostage and dropped my knife. After discussing this with other HBC leaders a reset and expanded NIP / OTEC agreement is the best path forward. It isn't what I want, but it is what you want. I want war. I want gigantic fucking battles. I want to crash nodes because people are so fucking interested in this shitty game.

    Shadoo has promised to give me what I want without the nastyness of sov grinds.

    #### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 00:55:11 EVE Time ####
    (7:06:54 PM) shadoo: My plan for a good fight isn't secret — we discussed it with Mister Vee, Vince Draken, Manny, some S2N dudes and some TEST dudes on public test mumble for few hours. The basic premise was simple: BLOCK war games in a set region. 3 Blocks enter, we come up with a workable SOV system for objectives and use a referee alliance to govern the outpost/jb/gen/etc ownership to a corp within the holder alliance. Then every block moves to set region and we start the wargame with ~20k characters in 1 region within 3 neutral blocks.

    ——————————————————————————-

    Welcome to WoW: Online! my friends

    :S:|=/:xo.0

    January 22, 2013 at 10:32 pm Reply
    1. Solar Pet=Bet Pet

      And CCP get's accuse of turning Eve Online to World of Warcrafts.. xD

      Allways thought that WoW would be coming to Eve Online but I didn't think it would be brought by the players first .. :So.0

      There you have it.. WoW will be coming to a region near you!
      Brought to you by the following sponsors:

      HBC, CFC, PL (=/), S2N, the mighty NCDOT (:|)

      Facepalm ! 😡

      January 22, 2013 at 10:39 pm Reply
      1. wahhhh

        more cry please.
        Wait, aren't you just pushing for this so that the baddies in your region will stop killing YOU?
        Definitely more cry from you.

        January 22, 2013 at 10:52 pm Reply
        1. Dumb idea really

          Wait, do you actually think this is good? This huge NIP is boring as hell. And before you imply im a sore loser i'm in a CFC alliance, and wondering why i'm even playing this game any more.

          January 22, 2013 at 11:00 pm Reply
          1. wahhhh

            Prove you are in a CFC alliance.

            January 23, 2013 at 9:06 am
    2. Jones

      CCP: Moon conflict drivers working as intended.

      January 22, 2013 at 10:49 pm Reply
  12. Kim Jong Blahh

    The one, most lasting, impression we can take from all of this ass hurt is that -A-, BL, NC.,Rdn, etc, etc, who've been made to eat that dog turd by the CFC and the HBC, would very much like to see the two kill each other.
    I'm confident that whoever has the weak minded SpaghettiO's ear in Test is working for one or all of the, shall we call them the Butthurt Coalition?
    It's basically the same situation as North Korea. The Chinese give this weak minded little shit power. They convince him that he is the most wonderful, powerful, and pretty leader on the world and that the Americans said he is ugly and then they step back and watch the show.
    All the while, the Chinese stand there, looking incredulous at the Americans, saying "I don't know what the fuck he's on about".
    And to top it off, the only nation that has ever actually tried to help the little bastard, with food, economic aid, etc. are the Americans.
    Sound familiar?

    January 23, 2013 at 9:33 am Reply
    1. FormerReader

      I think the south-koreans send a fair amount of aid to north korea.

      January 23, 2013 at 1:41 pm Reply
  13. lowsec grunt

    Null sec is boring ,where all the carebears chill

    January 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm Reply
  14. GUEST

    Mittani knifes all his friends in time. He has a long resume.

    January 25, 2013 at 3:13 pm Reply
  15. GUEST

    Mittani turns on all his friends, just one at a time

    January 25, 2013 at 3:14 pm Reply
  16. GUEST

    delete this post

    January 25, 2013 at 10:14 am Reply
  17. GUEST

    the Leader of the CFC knifes all his friends in time

    January 25, 2013 at 10:15 am Reply
  18. a NC. member

    I want to see goons burn….

    When do we move north

    January 25, 2013 at 5:06 pm Reply
  19. notsofast

    alliance income, especially for big alliances needs to be hammered down. It gives these carebear leaders like shadoo, mittani and montolio all the reasons to pretend, they would be PVP alliances, but in reality they do everything to avoid PVP and it starts to hurt the game badly.
    Once more humans have proven, money/power makes them corrupt, so they destroy the society, they live in. It should not be given to them!

    January 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm Reply
  20. Bloobadiyooo

    TEST wants fun, war vs Goons is fun > war it is.

    January 30, 2013 at 1:17 pm Reply

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