I wrote a post to debunk the commonly recited claim that WH people are both extremely rich and that WH space is extremely dangerous. I used regional statistics from killboards to prove that WH ship losses aren’t that expensive. They claimed that because they go to PvP in null (because they are so awesome that no one attacks them in their WHs). So I went to look for more data. Someone who wished to remain anonymous downloaded me 2868915 API verified kills from EVE-kill.net from 2012 (until Dec. 20.) for a nice sum of ISK. Using this data I could track pilots and not places.

I identified 197164 individual pilots who had at least one 50M loss in 2012. I discarded the rest as cyno/scout alts, lost newbies and such. I mean a single 50M+ loss isn’t too much to ask if you PvP. Then I classified these pilots into “Highsec”, “Lowsec”, “Nullsec” and “WH” pilots based on which zone they had the most losses. It’s pretty straightforward that you defend your home with more expensive ships than you roam with. Some people might place himself in another group, for example nullsec JF pilots who has most losses in low and highsec, but they are wrong. Such hauler couldn’t exist without low- and highsec to haul to. His whole existence is bound to low- and highsec. With the above I found the following amount of pilots who lost ships in PvP

  • 18231 WH pilots
  • 87353 Nullsec pilots
  • 39806 Highsec pilots
  • 51774 Lowsec pilots

After that I collected all the losses of these pilots and calculated the average loss/pilot. The chart below shows that, with different colors for the different regions. You can see that while theoretically one can be a WH pilot with only 25.1% losses in WH (and 24.9 in low, high, null), pilots of all zones have vast majority of their losses in their home regions.

As you can see, the roaming (and hauling) losses of WH people outside WHs are only 18% of their total losses. For the record: 84% of the total WH kills are done by “WH people” so even if I misidentified some WH-ers because of a highsec hauler loss, their contribution to WH PvP is minimal.

As next move I split the people into 4 groups depending how the number of their kills relate to the average of their own zone. The averages themselves are 7.0 losses/year for WH, 14.6 for Null, 7.1 for High and 11.3 for Lowsec people. Now let’s see how the lost ISK is distributed between the four groups:

Highsec ISK losses are dominated by those who lost less than half the average amount of ships. They are ganked PvE players and haulers who lost just a few expensive ships. Highsec and lowsec are dominated by lot of smaller losses of active PvP-ers. WH on the other hand seems to be pretty rounded, most losses were of “average” people and the “carebears” and “PvP-ers” are both a minority. Why the amount of losses is important?

As you can see, for each type of pilots the average loss values are the highest among those who lost only a few ships, most obviously they got their pimped PvE ship ganked. Please note that it’s the value of one loss, the yearly total loss increases with PvP activity (obviously). For this reason the WH-ers lose less money on PvP (first figure) despite their single losses are more expensive.

Now let’s look at the loss value pattern! The chart below shows the percentages of various value ranges in the total losses (1x10B is the same as 100x100m).


Similar to the previous: the low and nullsec are dominated by smaller losses of the busy PvP population, the medium losses dominate WH and highsec has the largest part of large losses. Freighter ganks beat even the supercapital losses of nullsec!

Finally let’s look at how dangerous systems are! While the feeling of danger is subjective, the real danger is very objective: the chance of loss. The chart below show how much ISK was destroyed in a year in an average solar system:

Now look at that! Not only the mighty C6s were beaten by highsec systems but the lowsec came out on top by large! Also, C5 and C6 is dominated by expensive losses and we already established it to be a sign of PvE. If we check the number of kills for trivial (0-30M) and non-trivial ship losses in the various system classes, we get the same, lowsec is the most dangerous place to be, while WHs see much less kills than highsec due to their low population.

PS: If you can get a more complete database and send me, I gladly analyze that too!

– Gevlon Goblin

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68 Comments

  1. Pieshark

    someone give a tl:dr please, i don't speak graph

    January 3, 2013 at 4:31 pm Reply
    1. Shocker

      "…lowsec is the most dangerous place to be, while WHs see much less kills than highsec due to their low population."

      Did you even try?

      January 3, 2013 at 4:37 pm Reply
      1. Pieshark

        thanks

        January 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm Reply
  2. Humble_miner

    Nice work man. Awesome

    January 3, 2013 at 4:39 pm Reply
  3. Gnaw

    I am laughing at this article because the author clearly does not know how W-space works. He hears the word Wormholes, he reads about the system classes but for some reason he is not aware that various system classes are interconnected. What is the point of separating Class 5 systems from Class 6 systems when a bunch of C6s can and will open up into C5s? When C5s open up into C6s and C4s and C3s and every other class. When those connections are established and the systems become linked it does not matter where the pvp occurs, where losses occur, they all happen in w-space.

    News flash genius, a fight between C5 resident and C6 resident can occur on both sides of the wormhole connecting that system. Does that mean less PvP has occurred? Does that diminish the amount of ISK lost? Does that reduce the danger of w-space? No, it does not. However, by taking the statistic and then manipulating them by splitting out w-space in different system classes creates that effect. In reality PvP occurs all over w-space, just because an alliance or corp is set up in a C5 does not mean that they will not go into a C2 to fight.

    How about you give us a different chart of ISK lost / killed, and combine all w-space system into a single group or if you don't want to do that then you should split all null sec and all low sec by regions. That is essentially what you did to w-space because for some reason to you its separate zone that have no contact when in reality its all a very big, bobbly-wobbly mess of connections.

    January 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm Reply
    1. Gnaw

      Here I also fixed your stupid graph on average ISK lost per system:
      http://imgur.com/2e0aH

      By combining all w-space into the same group you will see that the w-space ISK lost is close to that of low sec. Pretty nice considering that WH Popular is 18k and Lowsec population is 50k, twice that of w-space. Thats according to your own article. Lets dive down deeper, since w-space CANNOT accommodate a super or a titan the 10B+ ISK losses are pretty rare. However, I've done you a favor and combine the losses of Class 5 systems and Class 6 system for ships / losses that are valued above 800million. (Mainly because it would be tedious to photoshop ALL w-space losses in that catergory). As you can see, the C5 and C6 losses of 800mil or more out-weight anything lost in null, low or high.

      Than compare that to you last graph, where you show the amount of kills per region. Its quite clear that w-space has less kill then other regions. What conclusion can we draw from the following facts:

      Fact #1: W-space has the smallest population
      Fact #2: Combined w-space stats show the amount of ISK lost is high then High Sec, Null Sec and less then 10 bil short of Low Sec
      Fact #3: W-space leads all other regions in "expensive" kills (800+ mil)
      Fact #4: W-space has less kills then any other region type

      The conclusion we draw from this is that w-space has the lowest population, second most amout of ISK lost, where individual pilots are flying more expensive ships and while the actual combat might be a rare occurrence it has the most significant penalty.

      January 3, 2013 at 6:04 pm Reply
      1. Ayeson

        Gnaw is right, your analysis reeks of someone that has absolutely zero understanding of how WHes work, and just wants to analyze data and pretend he's right all the time, because he can talk in absolutes when speaking about math.

        January 3, 2013 at 7:23 pm Reply
      2. Nyv

        Theses are MEANS. PER SYSTEM.
        Explain how combining them would increase the value?

        You know what a mean is, right?

        He's pretty bad at whs (the assumption that high cost losses are pve one is the backbone of his argumentation, and strangely, is the only one not supported by numbers), but you are pretty bad at stats.

        January 3, 2013 at 8:47 pm Reply
        1. Gnaw

          Its a mean per system type per system. Meaning he took all loses in all C5s systems and divided it by the number of C5s system, then he did the same for all other system types. Therefore if we sum up all losses and sum up the quantity of all w-space systems regardless of class we would get the same exact number.

          January 3, 2013 at 10:29 pm Reply
  4. Rellin Kajer

    Interesting.

    January 3, 2013 at 5:41 pm Reply
  5. Boy Barnes

    What Gnaw said, only shorter and less angry.

    "You can't split WH space by class, it's like splitting Empire by region – it makes no sense and seriously skews the results."

    WH space sees the smallest fraction of actual 'traffic' compared to the rest of Eve. Your graphs are effectively broken.

    Take the number of people in HS and do the math compared to the TOTAL number of people in WHs and fiddle the numbers to extrapolate something at least erring on the side of half-arsed.

    Nice effort, but dangerously pivoted and skewed.

    January 3, 2013 at 5:51 pm Reply
  6. donttalkbackto-a-

    you need a girlfriend.

    January 3, 2013 at 5:52 pm Reply
  7. kraik

    So what is the point of all this?

    January 3, 2013 at 6:10 pm Reply
  8. Joozd

    I appreciatie the amount of work put in, but your conclusions are off. You make a lot of claims that are not supported by the numbers. If you follow your own lines of reason, hisec is much more dangerous than 0.0 – so unless you changed your objectives between you intro and halfway your article, you are doing it wrong. Sorry.

    January 3, 2013 at 6:14 pm Reply
    1. Ayeson

      This is a nice post

      January 3, 2013 at 7:24 pm Reply
  9. Akrasjel Lanate

    This is so weird article god

    January 3, 2013 at 6:49 pm Reply
  10. Kiyohime Ronuken

    A graph is no substitute for undocking your ship from time to time.

    Ever hunted WH guys in their WH? With experienced WH occupants this is often a really, really bad idea. They can cut you off from reinforcements, they almost certainly have an advantage in bookmarks over you in the WH itself, and they can rapidly reship without further destabilizing the hole YOU came in from. Smart ones will already have multiple traps ready for any intruder. By the time you find them, they've known about you for a while.

    Not saying it's un-doable, or that the challenge isn't worthwhile (it is!) but there's a reason the fights more often than not happen in null – simply put that's where the null-sec guys WANT to have the fights.

    Finally – lots of null alliances frankly do not even bother to LOOK for WH's – so the hole occupants have an immediate advantage of being able to appear from seemingly nowhere.

    January 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm Reply
  11. Just Bob

    "It’s pretty straightforward that you defend your home with more expensive ships than you roam with"
    not true.
    then you go to make a graph of people showing that most of the WH guys' losses are in WHs. but in the paragraph before you state that you made those people who had the most losses in WHs, are WH guys.
    …seriously?

    January 3, 2013 at 7:17 pm Reply
    1. Andres Talas

      Yeah, I dont agree its true either.

      Generally, when defending my home, I use T1 logi cruisers. The T2 logi come out when Im on a fleet op thats going somewhere else, generally to attack a coalition objective away from my pocket.

      January 4, 2013 at 2:36 am Reply
  12. Omen Nihilo

    Just stop, Gevlon. Please stop. Anyone can come to a wrong conclusion based on statistics, but your skewing is obvious and your applications are just laughable.

    Take this graph for example:
    <img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OE2EfgXiY5o/UORh2awxhKI/AAAAAAAAAyk/6NPtGaWDqko/s1600/wh4.gif&quot; alt="graph" width="600">
    I don't know why you would separate W-space into classes but then leave Null, Low and Hi sec combined. You can clearly see that w-space systems combined beat out null sec or high sec.

    For anyone who wants to see a proper handling of statistics, I recommend this article.

    January 3, 2013 at 7:32 pm Reply
    1. dino

      it's per system. isk loss/system for all wh would be pretty bad.

      January 3, 2013 at 9:06 pm Reply
      1. Gnaw

        Key word is average per system, so it would be exactly the same.

        January 3, 2013 at 10:20 pm Reply
    2. buzzzzz

      Yep, this graph is skewed… :(

      January 4, 2013 at 3:20 pm Reply
    3. Nicolo da'Vicenza

      it's an averaged loss per system you imbecile

      if you combined all the systems you wouldn't just add them together
      you would total all the systems to the totaled C1-C6 losses and divide them together
      Since there are far more C1-C3 systems then C6s, the bar would be only slightly higher then WH space, not the two bars combine

      the fact this post got 8 likes is an embarassment to the EN24 readership

      hth

      January 4, 2013 at 6:32 pm Reply
      1. Omen Nihilo

        Yeah, I guess I misread that graph. Graphs are supposed to make information clearer, not more confusing LOL…. :S
        Disregarding what I said about combining w-space systems, I still stand by my post: the article is garbage.

        Even when read correctly, the graph doesn't reveal any useful information. It makes it look like lowsec is twice as dangerous as other areas of space—when in reality there are simply fewer lowsec systems than other areas of space.

        A more useful study might be to analyze isk loss per resident. Then again, knowing Gevlon he'll just skew the statistics and come to a predetermined conclusion.

        January 4, 2013 at 7:41 pm Reply
  13. tard

    Hopefully he going back to WoW soon.

    Shitfaced, Retarded annoying Goblin.

    January 3, 2013 at 7:47 pm Reply
  14. nowedontcare

    How2statistics? Goblin donno.

    How2eve? Goblin donno.

    How2goldfarm? Goblin knows!

    Stick to what youre good at kiddo.

    January 3, 2013 at 8:27 pm Reply
    1. SuperPvp

      Go away and kill yourself GevlonGimp….

      January 3, 2013 at 8:45 pm Reply
  15. Wilsonius

    Jesus please someone put this guy out of his misery. After literally thousands of Eve players telling him he doesn't know what hes talking about, getting trolled out of TEST without his 60b, and basically being the most autistic fuck out of all the autistic fucks, he continues to post.

    January 3, 2013 at 9:59 pm Reply
    1. Barberian

      You have the option of not clicking on his posts. I read them for the lol factor.

      January 3, 2013 at 11:42 pm Reply
      1. Slaktoid

        Amen to that brother. Hillarious reading.

        January 4, 2013 at 5:06 am Reply
  16. Random Miner

    Goblin now tries to gank ice miners…. eat shit and die you awful poaster

    January 3, 2013 at 10:39 pm Reply
  17. LOL.

    the whiny goblin reading the wrong out of numbers again – will this ever end?

    January 3, 2013 at 11:52 pm Reply
  18. Mister AL

    LOL again.
    Someone who has clearly not lived in WH for enough time to get the idea of WH is trying to tell people how much he knows of that.

    January 4, 2013 at 12:34 am Reply
  19. Habib

    Ladies and Gentlemen, for your Retribution award consideration…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/chinese-

    January 4, 2013 at 12:41 am Reply
  20. Greedy imp

    Hi guys! I'm going to learn ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION at a time and consider myself an expert based on that single piece!

    Please offer to suck me off as I apply "Advanced Bullshit ™". The more filler and inaccurate info graphics I shove into the tiny fragment of information I receive the more conceited and godly I must be!

    Gaze in wonder upon the face of my statistical separation of facts! My defense of being the only correct person on claims I have no base of experience on or even accurate sources to reference! Gasp at how I will believe only what I believe is correct without learning the truth of a matter!

    January 4, 2013 at 1:39 am Reply
  21. Gumpin

    My Favorite thing, is this.

    goblin came into eve and made his isk on the market and was all "this is so easy".

    But he doesn't realize that he's tossing out isk to people who, in the end, worked even less than he did Its like poetic justice. Socially inept know it all who claims making isk is easiest on the market proves himself wrong by making it easier to to make isk just sell fragments of information or experience to people that believe to know it all.

    January 4, 2013 at 1:49 am Reply
    1. Random Miner

      Make tons'a isk, feel like winning. Everyone say not winning, not actually playing game.
      Try to join alliance. Everyone hate. Pay alliance tons'a isk so can feel like playing game.
      Still everyone hate, kicked from alliance. Make tons'a graphs to feel smart, feel like playing game.
      Everyone really hate. Join roleplayers in high sec, blow james 315, feel empty inside…

      January 4, 2013 at 6:49 am Reply
      1. cunty

        I endorse. You winning.

        January 4, 2013 at 8:38 am Reply
  22. WH guy

    It's absolutely hilarious he splits WH space by class but groups all of High, low and null together. Did you group by NPC null and sov null??

    I mean wtf, of course C6 space will lose out to all of HS, it's like 100 systems out of 3000 WH systems.

    I don't mind trying to prove your point but fucking hell please try to not be disingenuous about it.

    January 4, 2013 at 3:21 am Reply
  23. hmmm

    all i can say is…fun with graphs and statistics?

    January 4, 2013 at 3:27 am Reply
  24. hihihi

    GO BACK TO WOW, WE ALL FUCKING HATE YOU, EVERYTHING YOU WRITE IS PRETENTIOUS, IGNORANT, AND BAD.

    January 4, 2013 at 4:40 am Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      Wow. Speaks for everyone. Isn't that pretentious.

      January 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm Reply
  25. ohgodwhy

    Someone obviously went exploring in a wh and/or tried to set up in a wh and got their lungs ripped out through their asshole and is now "mad" and must try to put down wspace

    January 4, 2013 at 6:47 am Reply
    1. lolwhat

      This would imply that goblin is clever enough to scan down WHs. I highly doubt that. He is probably still searching for the undock button.

      January 4, 2013 at 10:28 am Reply
      1. Titus Veridius

        Dunno. Compiling data into graphs and interpreting it with good judgement is probably harder than probing. ^.^

        January 4, 2013 at 1:34 pm Reply
  26. The dark apostle

    Due hurr durrrrr here is a wall of text! I've got a suggestion why don't you go purchase a real life? Then make grafts and charts, and lots of words and post on en24….

    January 4, 2013 at 8:28 am Reply
  27. lolwhat

    I knew i would be in for a bad read even before i klicked the article. Riv make this guy stop posting on this site, it´s not even funny anymore.

    January 4, 2013 at 10:26 am Reply
  28. droljica

    Look at all those forum pvp'rs, New Eden must be real "exciting nowdays". Seems like all tards are fighting here now.

    January 4, 2013 at 10:49 am Reply
    1. Titus Veridius

      Sounds like someone that doesn't play the game anymore, playing the forum game. ^.^ ironic

      January 4, 2013 at 1:32 pm Reply
  29. WHbutt_hurt

    hahahha i see WH people crying now .. and i like it. Admit it people There is no pvp here or pvp there. We are all carebears getting rich and involve at pvp when we are bored. Very few people are hard core pvpers at eve. And those arent usually talking

    January 4, 2013 at 10:54 am Reply
    1. apimp

      No matter what your eve, You're eve.

      January 4, 2013 at 11:01 pm Reply
      1. CareBearStares

        Eve so hard mutherfuckers wanna find me.

        January 4, 2013 at 11:13 pm Reply
  30. Hey morons! Have you noticed that none of you even tried to disprove the article?

    January 4, 2013 at 11:07 am Reply
    1. Kinis Deren

      Interestingly, the derived status of low sec as the home of PvP very much echoes the findings in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts… Unfortunately, in that analysis I couldn't do the same thing for WH space and I suspect the differences between the null sec indicators are due to the ship value cut off in the above analysis. I commend Greedy Goblin in at least attempting to provide a fact based overview of the current PvP situation in New Eden, instead of the tired old dogma.

      January 4, 2013 at 11:23 am Reply
    2. recollector1973

      I can't disprove something I knew…I just cba to do a bunch of graphics.

      WH = PvE…everyone ALREADY knows that.

      What you did is like me making a bunch of graphics to prove that the day have indeed 24 hours.

      January 4, 2013 at 11:53 am Reply
      1. Titus Veridius

        Everyone doesn't already know this…mostly people who go dragged into WHs their first week in Eve and were told something different. I think that's who this article is geared toward. If everyone knew this I wouldn't have had this argument before.

        January 4, 2013 at 1:32 pm Reply
    3. too much time

      Your right Gevlon, I mean aside from the people who have pointed out issues with your argument and the "evidence" you used, not a single person talked about your argument which I am sure that if you had been given strong evidence disproving your premise you would graciously accept it and move forward, or just instead attack the person giving the critique ( http://eveopportunist.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-resp… ). (also I know about the other
      times you have preformed this action).

      Gevlon let me tell you something. I'll say it once and nevermore. I recommend that you take head so that at least you know the score. There are those of us around here who have grown wise to your games, and reject the implications that you put forth in your claims.
      Now you say you call for reason I can respect that as a goal, but your actions do not follow and they mark you even so. Why should one bother with reason against one who rejects that which oppose. You silently change your argument so that no one ever knows.
      I am arguing from ethos, and not against your post, other have said all that I think is what really matters most. I am saying this though futile, because I believe it must be said, you often get what you deserve and this is all upon your head.
      Hypocrite, blind by pride, you are chief of what you fight.

      January 6, 2013 at 1:29 am Reply
  31. Rek Seven

    What does all this prove? Does is factor in the average population of a system?

    I you last "article" you claimed every one in WH space makes 230 million per hour… Do you still stand by that?

    It's easy to be a statistics monkey but you will never understand what is really going on until you actually live in WH space.

    Last month we say a record amount of isk destroyed in WH space (http://stats.whkills.info/?m=12&y=2012) so to claim that we are all risk averse carebears in hardly fair.

    90% of pvp in WH space occurs during ganks but that is due to current game mechanics. For example, you can't play station games and get a cheap kill and you can't easily set up drag bubbles because you don't have static entry points that every man and his dog has bounce spots for.

    Another factor to consider is that most people fly T3 ships in WH space so 1. they are harder to kill and many fights end in stale mates and 2. people aren't as eager to throw them into unwinnable situations (this is natural). But when big fights do happen, the losses are often in the tens of billions.

    I find your attitude extremely ignorant and it baffles me why you are being allowed to submit this dribble, as all it does in creates animosity between players.

    In conclusion, you are the moron here.

    January 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm Reply
  32. pcrabbit999

    Gevlon,

    Appreciate your stat analysis. However I think the problem really is that how "dangerous" a class of systems is doesn't quite correspond to the average amount of isk loss per system AT ALL. You said that objectively danger = chance of loss, however average isk loss per system / total isk loss doesn't represent the chance of loss. If you take a deeper thought into it you'll see that it doesn't make sense. All your statistics are well done but the inference here is flawed.

    The reason is that chance of loss is independent of ship cost (isk) in almost every case but tremendously dependent of other attributes. take the WH as example, the chance of loss is different, for any kind of ship, depending on who you are. If you're a resident with a solid group, it will be different from someone who lives off highsec just coming in for some rats. If you really want to create a probability distribution on the chance of losing a ship in every different class of systems, you to actually model the probability based on many different "latent variables" instead of just isk loss. This inter-dependency of variables is very complex and takes more advanced statistical methods than the graphs you have shown.

    This explains why many people feel your conclusion isn't correct. While sometimes the correct answers are counter-intuitive, but guts-feeling or intuition isn't necessarily incorrect all the time.

    January 4, 2013 at 1:36 pm Reply
  33. Titus Veridius

    Every time I go into a WH there is nothing going on. THE FLEETS ARE ALL CLOAKED!!!!!!!!

    January 4, 2013 at 1:40 pm Reply
  34. Glevon Goblin.

    Look guys all i know is that when i go into wormholes they are completely empty. There is never a single person in local chat, fact!

    o.0

    January 4, 2013 at 2:56 pm Reply
    1. sarah

      +1 Nice

      January 5, 2013 at 4:13 pm Reply
  35. cook

    Good article. Wspace safest space. All you bears should bring your fancy ratting ships and scoop up all the blue lootz…. please

    January 4, 2013 at 4:51 pm Reply
  36. MaxD

    Just one thing to comment here.

    Your assumption that expensive losses = PvE goes completely out the window when you are talking about WSpace. I've seen lots of Nightmares and Rattlesnakes in WH systems doing PvP, because these are tough ships to fight and WH people have the money for them. Deadspace-fit T3 cruisers can be very expensive, and are obviously the most flown ships in Wspace due to their ability to hit above their weight.

    Oh, and your comment that you went into Wspace and saw nobody in local was sorta funny, but it makes you look like an idiot because we can't tell if you are really serious given the other assumptions in your article. Get out into Wspace more and try using Dscan without active overview settings turned on; you might see a few more people out there in the blackness before they kill you.

    Max.

    January 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm Reply
  37. Shana_Zera

    You again? I thought I had posted in your previous post about the "Strong Evidence, Poor Argument" you showed in your last article concerning wormhole space. In fact, this is even worse than your previous article; didn't you read any of the bursting amount of criticism your previous article had generated? This time, it's not even strong evidence; it's just misrepresented data countering your own arguments.

    Graphs don't do you any good if you're not presenting them correctly, neither does data if you're not reading them in the right mind. Spend some time actually formulating your argument correctly before simply spilling out your thoughts and throwing in a bunch of data to "back your argument up," cause it ISN'T. Plenty of response articles by some smarter, dedicated people to prove it easily wrong.

    January 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm Reply
  38. phlogiston

    So much incorrect stuff here that I decided to post for a first time.

    1 – You wrongly place pilots in categories of your choosing. If a pilot lives in nullsec but loses more ships in low/high, doesnt that imply that null is safer? or the pilot's a noob? or both?

    2 – Capital losses are fairly rare in wspace because they'll only usually be lost during a T3 gang gank whilst doing PvE with only 1 or 2 on the field. An attacking fleet can only safely use a single cap of their own without collapsing unless they want to spend days/weeks waiting for an exit to appear (or just hours/days cycling for one) to get it back to it's home system, even then it's only a maximum of three, nothing like the cap blobs in low/null. Likewise this is a reason that most WH alliances will not bother with POS bashes unless there's a good reason to (grudge or a tasty system worth taking over). Also there are never any of those cheap titans hanging around and very very few capitals in the smaller systems unless they were built inside. Caps are very rarely used in wspace pvp, titans never at all, how many titan/cap kills does it take to completely skew your statistics (and how many of the low/null cap kills were by alliances like Verge of Collapse coming out a WH? http://evenews24.com/2013/01/04/verge-of-collapse

    3 – Ignoring losses under 50m ignores mining barges, frigs and T1 cruisers – since your using average values, I wonder how many <50m cruisers and frigs are used in blob warfare, roams, RvB and FW? This would surely change your figures for kspace, Id expect wspace would remain almost the same except for some mining ganks.

    4 – Looking at isk lost in an average system over a year is STRONGLY dependent on how busy those systems are. Highsec is used by 99.9% of the players but is safer because of concord, lowsec is used by most null, low and wspace players, null is used by null and wspace players and wspace is only really used by other WH corps with some kspace tourists from time to time. You even accept that fact later on after pointing out that the mighty C6's were beaten by highsec: "WHs see much less kills than highsec due to their low population" To make this graph mean anything you need to divide the isk loss by player hours spent in each level of system.

    Fail statistics

    January 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm Reply
  39. Thats a Bad Goblin

    Do you even read the shit in blogs or just blindly re-post them? Ignoring the fact that most of the "facts" in this blog have been discredited in comments since they either dont prove what they are being used for, dont take into account that fewer people live in wormholes or split wormholes by class and not 0.0 by region.

    But the next news artical posted on the site is http://evenews24.com/2013/01/03/battle-report-ver… which if i remember rightly is a WH alliance (VoC live in wormholes and raid 0.0 for PvP something else the writer ignores) fighting 0.0 alliances out numbered.

    Yes there are alot of farmers and carebears in WH space, but most large WH alliances seek these corps and alliances out to evict them from WHs if they wont give good fights.

    January 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm Reply

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