You might have noticed at the very end of every article published we have a call to action tag to allow players to counteract any inaccuracies they might perceive. what follows is the feedback we received from the IRC article published yesterday, a few things have been redacted for clarity’s sake.

First — Background

Tenal residents have historically sent roaming fleets into Cobalt Edge whenever not on a campaign. Razor had been no different in that regard. Traditionally, the Tenal residents would bring in a fleet, IRC would form against it, and if IRC had the least chance of winning the two would engage.

The dynamic changed somewhat with Razor after the CFC campaign against the dotbros drew to a close. First, Razor fleets frequently became bigger than what IRC could form against with no notice — it’s rather difficult for most alliances to rage-form a counter to a 120-man Hellcat fleet in under thirty-minutes. Thirty minutes was the approximate time Razor would spend reinforcing the a jump bridge before going back to Tenal. Second, whenever Razor did not have a counter to, or was not numerically superior to the IRC fleet, it would retreat to Tenal, reship, and wait for additional numbers.

After a few such incidents, IRC pilots naturally grew tired of having to form up, then waiting for an hour or two while Razor went back and reshipped. Why Razor FCs were blue-balling themselves in this manner will probably remain a mystery — if Razor FCs wanted fights, they could have poked any IRC FCs and arranged something.

Second — The Invasion

The CFC invasion of Cobalt Edge effectively began when Razor reinforced the HB- station and iHub with a hundred-odd pilot Hellcat fleet. Unless Razor FCs are incompetents, this could not have been an attempt to get fights, since everyone knows IRC timers are set for EVE downtime. Most normal people are at work or in class at that time. While the initial fleet was primarily Razor, fleets at the reinforce timers were only 30% to 50% Razor.

The full CFC invasion of Cobalt Edge kicked off on 12 December 2012, at approximately 16:00 EVE time (Saturday morning EST) when the station in HB- came out of second (armor) reinforce. HB- is the border system between Cobalt Edge and Tenal, and has been the traditional target for invasions of Cobalt Edge from Tenal, for obvious reasons.

IRC had a full turnout, with approximately 250 IRC (plus two dozen odd pilots from Rogue and Retirement Club) in HB- local, and fielded a full AHAC fleet. A 45-ish man pantheon carrier wing was tasked with repping the station and (depending on who you ask) supporting the subcapital fleet with sentries.

CFC formed two full Maelstrom-Rokh fleets, with approximately 500 in HB- local. The CFC fleet was approximately 50% Razor, 50% sundry CFC.

CFC jumped into HB-, and promptly engaged the IRC fleet sitting on the HB- station. Loss rates were favoring CFC, since they had more pilots to burn. Approximately ten minutes into the engagement, the CFC lit a cyno and bridged in twenty-two supercarriers. The supers had been moved under cover of the broken galaxy map cyno display, although there is rumor that CFC supers had been spotted in Oasa the day prior. Either way, the CFC supercarriers began to alpha carriers on station and ECM burst the AHAC logistics. Since IRC did not have sufficient carriers to tank the CFC supercarriers, the IRC carriers were ordered to dock, and the AHAC fleet withdrew in good order from the field.

Third — More Stuff

This isn’t a full CFC invasion only because the CFC hasn’t announced it as such. The daily activity in Cobalt Edge tends to be a mixed bag of Razor and CFC fleets. Razor dominates the small timers and structure shoots. The big timers for station systems receive the full CFC treatment. While IRC could handle Razor on its own in due time, since Razor participation has fallen off a cliff since the engagement in HB-, it quite reasonably can’t handle the entire CFC.

Fourth — Whither the CFC

All the talk of Razor looking for β€˜gudfites’ is moronic. Razor and the CFC do not want good fights, they want engagements that they are guaranteed to win. There’s nothing wrong with this, per se. We all want to win, and do so every time, without any losses. Unfortunately, it also leads to the CFC destroying its sources of fights. IRC is well known for forming up even when it has slim chances of winning; evicting an alliance with a reputation for giving the fights you claim to want in the name of getting those fights is idiotic.

It will be interesting to see how quickly CFC and Razor pilots go back to whining about not having any targets once IRC loses Cobalt Edge.

– Homer.

290 Comments

  1. Goonion

    As I said befor, Razor are incompitent and cowards, which I think everyone in Goons agrees with but they do what they are told so we love them anyway.

    December 26, 2012 at 8:12 pm Reply
    1. if a goon starts saying some alliance is incompitent that says a lot about that alliance lol

      December 26, 2012 at 8:24 pm Reply
      1. Testing

        Lol and Razor can't even say anything against their masters to defend themselves.

        December 26, 2012 at 11:58 pm Reply
    2. Goon

      Same with FA.

      December 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm Reply
      1. FA grunt

        Fuck. You start shooting at us and see what happens……btw who finished up tribute and took vale …….not goons because you guys would rather rat and have your FCs plead to us to get our guys to show up. Who wanted to star that war again?

        December 26, 2012 at 9:18 pm Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          Hi "goon" agitator masquerading as pissed of FA responding to truth-speaking goon :)

          December 26, 2012 at 10:09 pm Reply
        2. Tibike

          Wasn't the invasion on vale mainly headed by GENTS ?

          December 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm Reply
          1. Some scrub

            Invasion of vale? I was more of a structure grind

            December 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm
      2. Goonion

        F who?

        December 27, 2012 at 5:30 am Reply
    3. Goonbro

      Confirmed.

      December 27, 2012 at 12:35 am Reply
    4. NullSecHoBo

      Still now comment from Razor defending themselves. Is Razor stupid?

      December 27, 2012 at 11:57 am Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        Dude.. I have this blue thing with my name. Stop masquerading – don't be stupid.

        December 27, 2012 at 9:33 pm Reply
    5. Goonion

      Although Razor are taking the space much more slowley then we told them to, they should have taken half of it by now.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:23 pm Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        Hi "goon" agitator!

        December 27, 2012 at 9:34 pm Reply
      2. Thodoros

        Keep trying harder! :)

        December 27, 2012 at 10:28 pm Reply
    6. BlueDoughnutComing

      1. We want gudfights with our lovely neighbors!

      2. OMFG, they shot our *whatever* -or- they aren't fighting hard enough, they must be taught a lesson! Bring EVERYONE!!!

      3. They didn't come out and die repeatedly to our huge fucking blob, they are cowards so we will take all their space!

      The CFC/HBC three-step plan, used in every single invasion since Branch.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
  2. Humble_miner

    Razor is an obedient and easily manipulated meat shield. That's an important role, mind you!

    December 26, 2012 at 8:30 pm Reply
    1. The other IRC grunt

      In hindsight I feel like SOLAR has been saying the same thing about us for the past year or so.

      December 26, 2012 at 10:27 pm Reply
  3. petwatch

    Odd razor didn't want good fights when NC. lived next door, I wonder why?

    December 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm Reply
    1. truth

      what the fuck has that got to do with anything?

      December 26, 2012 at 10:38 pm Reply
      1. Santa little helper

        becuase proves razor are shit and will only attack other shit alliance. I mean wtf are they trying to kick irc out. what next after this, who will they fight, and how many more jumps are they prepared to move to get a fight.

        bunch of idiots

        December 26, 2012 at 11:06 pm Reply
        1. omgwtfbbq

          look… the situation with the RZR vs IRC thing currently is due to the fact that theyre neighbours, and that IRC started kicking the hornets nest thinking nothing would happen.

          When RZR were deployed as part of the CFC they werent in any real strength in tenal, roams would rarely go into cobalt edge as most roams started in pure blind/tribute mostly under coalition flag. what alerted RZR to IRC is that IRC started to hit targets in tenal that pissed RZR off.
          The CSAA that died when the whole chat popup fiasco occurred had IRC as parties on the lossmails, IRC had gone and ref'd poco's and jump bridges and POS's.

          If you're a good neighbour and respect each other, you can roam each others space without doing all these things and still have fun. This is what IRC 'used to do', but its obvious this is not what theyre doing now. RZR obviously believed IRC needed to be shown a lesson. So RZR spearheaded the Killing of 1 of IRC's CSAA's with oldma's baby super in it.

          This was meant to send a message to IRC – "dont fuck with our infrastructure or we'll rip yours apart."
          IRC didnt take the very big and obvious hint. they carried on hitting POS's, JB's, and POCO's in Tenal. So to reciprocate RZR spearheaded the taking of HB-

          the rest of it is history so to speak. this is why u hear things like "totally not an invasion etc…"

          December 27, 2012 at 12:35 am Reply
          1. IRC Grunt

            You mean we actually hit your stuff when you routinely attacked our networked BEFORE tribute for a month at a time. The IRC that only kept to itself decide to say go F yourself and when the going got touch daddy CFC had to escalate.

            It must be nice to have 14 or whatever I've lost count alliances backing you up so you can do whatever the fuck you want. But whoa if they fight back let's hit them will all our buddies.

            Fuck yeah I'm mad

            December 27, 2012 at 1:19 am
          2. BntyHunter

            They have 156 Corps just in GSF alone, with enough members to be a "Block" themselves, but its not enough.

            They need the other 18k Members or else they could seriously be in trouble.

            To bad there wasnt E-Honor and we couldn`t call out GSF alone.

            I would put up almost any tough 1k Man ALliance vs all GSF`s 10k members anyday.

            Can you imagine PL vs GSF? Easy win
            Can you imagine NCDOT vs GSF? Easy win
            Can you imagine Nulli vs GSF? Solid win [just because a few less supers.
            Can you imagine AAA vs GSF? OMG so easy for AAA`s 3k group to roll over them.
            Can you imagine RZR vs GSF? Im fairly certain RZR wins.
            Can you imagine Thorn vs GSF? Im 90% sure Thorn out lasts them and from there more than impressive record IMO kills there will to fight in 2 months.

            They themselves are powerless, they are only the strongest of a very large, very weak population like FA FCON and alot of other Ex-NC rejects.

            Sad to say that our great game is now ran by the Biggest fish in the smallest Pond who has all the scared sheep as one pack…..IMO CCP has installed a system where the weak can outkill the stronger or smarter by simply dogpiling in massive numbers, which took great planning and great talent at one point, but now is harder to screw up than to keep it going, every Newb in space goes 2 places to enter 00 right away, CFC or Test. One thinks they are badass the other knows without the newbs they arent shit, thats why HBC IMO is a lot better they admit it, and I respect HBC a ton for doing just that.

            December 27, 2012 at 5:36 am
          3. honestfortrue

            Relax dude, you don't have to yell that the CFC is the shit, after every single staement. If we didn't already believe it we wouldn't be reading EVENEWS24, you're preaching to the chior buddy.

            December 27, 2012 at 7:58 am
          4. BntyHunter

            See im not even talking just CFC, but GSF.

            I think RZR could kick there ass. And Convicted was highly respected before.

            That being said, I hear you :)

            December 27, 2012 at 8:08 am
          5. Clarity

            Didn't CFC always hit IRC's CSAAs ages before all this whenever they had jack shit to do and blues in all directions?

            Stop making up this bullshit that IRC started it. Put those lies on kugu where they belong.

            December 27, 2012 at 2:19 am
          6. Guy

            So is this one of those things where it's okay if you do it but not if someone else does?

            December 27, 2012 at 2:37 am
          7. Kiyohime

            Wow – really? omg. What a bunch of utter garbage. Maskirovka! When it isn't even needed. C'mon just admit it – you either got ballsy and then needed help OR barked at master's command. Either way it's OK…

            December 27, 2012 at 5:39 am
          8. BntyHunter

            You obviously have been playing the game for like 3 whole months and are surely a Vet by now. Lol

            You may not know this but IRC is 10x as old as you, and for that huge amount of time they have been assaulted by every form of Razor.

            Razor the pet who is now, Razor the master who was way back when and Razor who was becoming the master way way back then.

            IRC never started anything, NC wanted there land forever to gain more "Team Mates" space, and now CFC [NC Mk 2 with Stalin as its leader] wants there land as a backdoor to let Xdeath into SOLARS backyard so they can kill them and so Razor can help and claim its for GF`s while RZR and Xdeath+ other CFC take all Dronelands.

            Wake up newb

            December 27, 2012 at 5:58 am
      2. petwatch

        Because I like to remind the rzr chestbeaters that when they were living next to an actual PVP alliance who would happily give them fights – they did nothing other than dock up. Razor shouldn't kid themselves anyone thinks they aren't a nullbear alliance like IRC just with more numbers.

        December 27, 2012 at 10:34 am Reply
    2. D2theA

      Didnt you blob your enemies and finally get out blobbed? Not even Elo could save your alliance. But he did get your princess right?

      December 27, 2012 at 2:46 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Not even Elo? LOL`s like ELO IS SAVING SOLAR NOW?

        Man you drank the coolaid. Hand the best FC in the game [its not Elo BTW, he`s great at somethings not so great at a few others] and if he is outnumbered 5:1 will lose eventually you tool.

        Once more you Elo are god guys are weird, and very awkward and 99% of you who post never even heard his voice on live comms.

        FYI Elo is a great FC, Top 15 in game which is a huge complament from me, I love him but he is a man not a god. He is being outnumbered in fights now and losing badly, and then does very well when his gambles pay off on other times just like all men.

        Is he better than most? Yes, 100%.
        Is he a Genius at bringing together different levels of guys? 100% Yes maybe even the best.
        Is he a Sex magnet for Dudes like you who have never had a solid FC? Absolutely 100%
        Is he better than Travis Musgrat/Alex/Kevin FCing a block of guys who have flown with him 2 years? Not at all
        Is he better than Shadoo at leading a PL fleet? Absolutely not
        Is he better than either at Tactics and a uncanny ability to know enemy setups and fittings? Meh he is not as good but very good still
        Is he better at leading a fleet of PL+NCDOT+Nulli who are all equally good individuals who ALL KNOW THERE ROLES? Nope
        Is he better at a Solar [who are solid but not the best]+BL [who are 1st rate]+AAAnomalies, IMP L who are both Meh [on there best days]+A shit ton f Newbs? Absolutely 100%, he can lead like no other 1st rate FC because he doesnt rage, because he doesnt expect what the other "Elite FC`s" do and is more even keeled.

        Thats gods honest truth, he can lead strangers and band them together in an uncanny way while obviously leading his merry band of 800 Solid, tough, leather eating PVPers and integrating them. But he cant make 1st rate PVPers who are as good as any in the game and who all know there roles any better than they already are, sorry but for that you need guys to rage now and then, and that is the truth.

        Just please send me the picture when you finally get his name Tat`d on your chest, so he can aim on it when he blows his load. That is all.

        December 27, 2012 at 5:53 am Reply
  4. FA grunt

    Umm I have no received order to Jion the fighting against irc we are on vaca…….razor is calling the shots on the invasion and are probly asking for support on larger tasks. Irc you should try to be doing the same thing but your not

    December 26, 2012 at 9:11 pm Reply
    1. poastin toaster

      If RZR started this on their own, they should finish this on their own. CFC are doing nothing but propping up another shit alliance that cannot even beat IRC by themselves.

      December 26, 2012 at 9:18 pm Reply
      1. FA grunt

        I agree they should do it on their own but its only for as they said large scale grids……so why the fuck can't handle this shit

        December 26, 2012 at 9:24 pm Reply
        1. I just do not know

          Well stay out then!

          December 26, 2012 at 9:26 pm Reply
        2. FA grunt

          Referring to irc

          December 26, 2012 at 9:27 pm Reply
      2. Goonion

        Try reading my post which clearly explains that Razor are under orders doing what they are told. Do you really think they would "start it on their own."?

        December 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          Hi "goon" agitator :)

          December 26, 2012 at 10:03 pm Reply
        2. FA grunt

          Read the fact at the last sentence he doesn't know wtf razor is doing…..he doesn't know if it was real or not

          December 27, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
    2. The other IRC grunt

      We did. We brought 500 guys with capital support to the HB station fight. You brought 900 guys with super-capital support.

      December 26, 2012 at 10:26 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Razor is calling the shots? Lol, you really must be low on the totum pole of CFC power to truly think that….lol

      December 27, 2012 at 5:02 am Reply
      1. FA grunt

        How the fuck do you know your in N3 your not even on the totem pole

        December 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm Reply
  5. LGND

    LoL IRC chose their friends. They chose Nulli and NC. over their neighbors in the drone regions. Now they are dealing with those decisions of stupidity.

    December 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm Reply
    1. The other IRC grunt

      We "chose" them because Nulli and NC actually show up to our timers sometimes, none of our drone region "allies" have ever done jack shit for us, even after we saved them from losing their space in Kalevala.

      December 26, 2012 at 10:24 pm Reply
      1. truth

        "saved them" using that word loosely arent you, you cant even save yourselves

        December 26, 2012 at 10:25 pm Reply
      2. -A- FC

        TBO the best thing you can do is get the hell out of that shithole you have called home for too long and join N3 / The bail coalition or whatever they call themselves.

        I mean why give retarded 3rd tier CFC pet alliances any fights at all? Make them suffer with their 150 jumps of blues so that they can throw more of their pets under the bus out of boredom.

        December 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm Reply
        1. -A- FCked

          hows your sov going……oh wait your hiding till they rent it out and you can kill the carebears and take it back lol

          December 27, 2012 at 12:55 am Reply
          1. lol

            Keep sucking your master's dick so you can hold space.

            December 27, 2012 at 2:21 am
          2. nommnom

            Someone is losing their space and not really loling? Its ok to let us know where the bad razor touched you.

            December 27, 2012 at 2:30 am
          3. -A- FCked

            could you come up with a better insult please?

            December 27, 2012 at 6:29 am
          4. donttalkbackto-a-

            how about: is it better to suck a cock and loose all your space, or suck a cock and keep all your space?

            December 28, 2012 at 12:41 am
        2. BntyHunter

          Lol thats funny and so true, although you being in AAA care about fights…CFC acts like they do, but would be just as happy playing Farmland in space online.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:37 am Reply
        3. another IRC grunt

          Most of IRC would leave the alliance before becoming an HBC pet. Blob fights are not fun. Why pay for a game just to be bored.

          December 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm Reply
      3. dead= good drake

        saved? one kalevala was us taking space not losing it we had all ready stop the Er attacks and the only reason why you came was because solar told you too do this but during the op max 50 irc number got worst during the war your Fc only want to use irc comms not api so spies was easy and result in dead fc then your fc swap us too high dps ships too shoot St but the nc sone and broken toy had fleet out during that time

        December 27, 2012 at 12:00 am Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          You sound like you have a good story .. but man – punctuations, paragraphs – they are your friend, use them!

          December 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm Reply
      4. Solar FC

        This why we watch you die now. Your support of nc. and nulli was shit as well. Which is why they do not help you now either. Disband and save us your shit articles and excuses…

        December 27, 2012 at 1:00 am Reply
        1. Kiyohime Ronuken

          Gonna end up watching Solar die, too. Unless you have 5000 guys, 300 supers and 1000 carriers I don't know about. Which, let's be honest you don't. Even if you did they won't be on the field with PL in play now – too good a chance all the caps and supers will get whelped.

          December 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm Reply
        2. The other IRC grunt

          I think you'll find we're watching each other die, you just have more space to lose so it'll take longer. Enjoy having both TEST and Goons as neighbours, I'm sure that'll work out well for you. Should have taken Geminate when NC offered it to you on a platter.

          December 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm Reply
          1. Solar pet=Best pet

            Sound like you are butthurt… Show me where we touch u!

            December 28, 2012 at 1:58 am
    2. BntyHunter

      Yeah they sure killed sooooo many of those SOLAR guys with us NCDOT guys……Oh yeah no they didnt kill one. And they spied at the end for you guys, and we wern`t even mad because we respected them for sticking to you guy`s hip.

      IRC`s biggest problem is staying by SOLAR even though you guys sided with CFC and invited there arch enemies pets to be within earshot of them and have 0 support you idiot.

      Man im sorry they ever didnt unblue you. I wish they would have been disloyal to you so we could have rolled your ass together.

      IRC have great hearts IMO, they are Carebears but guess what they fight, and they dont pretend to be anything but what they are.

      1v1 they would beat most CFC like FCON+FA and all the other Ex C-Team NC rejects who think they tough now and part of something AKA "Mittens Kittens" AKA "CFC"

      IRC has 10x the heart those do in the CFC, its very easy to be poured on by 30k members cut off and alone and roll over to the Darkside, instead they are standing on there commitments.

      Man sometimes in this game it sucks when you have friends in game who both need you and you can only help one, or leaders of a great group of guys lead there people down the totally wrong way.

      I feel like a Samurai who likes his enemy but has to fight because of who he already pledged loyalty to.

      At least if everyone was like IRC, they would keep there word and you would know where you stood, we were Allies with them fighting CFC then they told us they were sorry they couldnt fight SOLAR and it had nothing to do with desperation, but with there integrity, sorry but I always will like IRC even if they spied on us and some say were our enemies, you can damn sure know they didnt want to and just like other guys have posted on here, some from -A-, some from Init, Raiden etc to bad we all missed our timing, IMO we are marching on eachother instead of killing the real enemy to the game, the lawyer little bitch Mittens and his thralls…The guys who have no balls, and roll up into CFC once they are conquered, just like any turncoats in most any wars.

      Hell even SOLAR turned to collaborator when it was easy to kill a perceived enemy like NCDOT/Nulli when they thought they could get just a taste of Tec. Instead they got played and served themselves up for the CFC to mop up after its done.

      Mittens is a little bitch, most of us know that. But a very smart little weasel he is.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:18 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        I certainlty did not spy for Solar and those that went to fight for NCDOT were committed to helping you against the CFC. I would think that perhaps some Solar guys were in the coalition channel and were seeing what was being formed from that. Certainly the people I knew were annoyed with SOLAR for attacking you in Germinate.

        December 27, 2012 at 7:13 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          Sorry I meant no offense I personally like IRC a lot. I get very protective when people talk shit about you guys, like a older brother protects the younger, not to say we are so much better etc, its just my initial reaction.

          I was just saying you guys even though you wanted to so badly [I could feel it] come fight more with us. And just as you got a massive taste of what it felt like IMO to really take a smaller fleet and still against odd`s annihilate the enemy fleet and just as you IRC guys got that awesome youthful PVP "Taste of Blood" that makes you wanna go fight on and really fuels the fire, I felt like you got the rug yanked out from under you.

          And since I think you are stand up guys and your, allegiance was to SOLAR before us, I was just trying to explain to some who thought some were spying etc that you were doing what you thought was right by being men of integrity, even though it would have been better for you to turncoat on SOLAR and have personal gain you guys manned up and stayed true to your older allies…..We respected that.

          But be honest, how good did it feel to finally have leadership in fights who knew WTF they were doing, and fleets in total uniformed fits, that hit with deadly precsion? :) I bet it felt good to for a while stand with us 250ish guys and turn back those CFC bastards with 450-500+ and turn them around with 1/10th there fleet left :)

          I remember how it first felt to truly PVP in a fleet after thinking I knew what Pew really was, and getting to be on the organized smaller but winning side….It was the best times ever.

          I just hope you got that taste and wont let it go. And please if it does get hard come down with us, I really did enjoy the few of you we met. You were very brave, and I hope you finally felt like the bad ass`s you could be with some changes in the alliance structure :)

          I wish you the best, Take the guys who grew those Teeth and form up a IRC Corp who is the pewers, move down to NCDOT land stick with us as blues and you would almost certainly be in within 2-3 months of killing with us…Thats my advice if this thing goes south or you cant get more than 50 guys etc, grab those 50 and come on down, and have the ride of your lives, and in 2-3 years, hopefully you can look back and say

          "I had a blast then, we fought XYZ together, it really didnt matter who we fought, but we stood our ground, dished out some wicked fights, took a few lumps and thats why we login now….for the GF`s"

          I have had a lot of uddies start that way who got a kick out of Eve when they joined a true Pewers Corp/Alli and once you see the KB you earned and see videos of you trapped with 150 Drakes on 1 side and 80 Nados on the other at 80km off and you have 80 Hacs who kill both sides and chase them home, I swear its like a needle in the arm, only no STD`s :)

          But take the guys who are like minded just as yourself who are the fighters, maybe turn IRC into a large corp or shave it into a 1k man Alliance and do as I said come with Nulli and us and Nexus etc and we would love it…Sov is really overated in game unless it has Tec, and besides you could have a nice few quiet systems and we would be in range to help you, and trust me we would Vince has made it clear you are our friends no matter what, its just complicated now because SOLAR.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:34 am Reply
          1. I just do not know

            I really enjoyed those fights in Tribute, I was there in the successful defence of HW when we won the race blowing up the SBU against them trying to flip the station, I was there when we murdered that Razor carrier fleet and destroyed their CSAA, that felt so good, the best bit was destroying that initial Maelstrom fleet. I really enjoyed those fleets. And yes, I had total confidence in the FC's that were running the fleets, it was the whole structure too with people knowing what to do in their roles, was brilliant.

            But I pick my fights, I find many IRC are very happy to go charging in and lose stupid, I have never played that way. There are things bugging me about IRC leadership, we are contemplating Nulli Legio, but there is a part of me that just wants to give up on null until the CFC and HBC start shooting each other.

            And I do want to shoot the guy who made that 30 AF comment, lol

            December 27, 2012 at 8:34 am
          2. BntyHunter

            Is there a place I can hear that recording?

            I probably want him hunted down just as much since it made us look all snobbish and bad.

            Yeah, if you could get a link or some sort of place where I could look for recording I`d owe you one.

            That is so awesome you had fun with us. I truly love that when I can fight with others and band together against a superior numerical force and come out on top….best feeling in Eve IMO is the Broski`s hugging it out afterwards. Part of the reason I miss Elo so much was just that reason, thought we found another teammate where nothing would split us, that was a shame we fought over some stupid shit.

            Anyways im happy you thinking about coming over, If I were you I`d be serious about grabbing as many IRC guys who are like minded as you and joining or creating an IRC Special Ops corp and joining NCDOT/Nulli TBH I would do what most our guys do and stay blue with us dock with us stay on Comms with us, basically be part of us, and then you will get any option you want not just what you can get now.

            December 27, 2012 at 8:50 pm
          3. segm

            Just what we did

            December 29, 2012 at 2:16 am
          4. bnty

            get a room gay faggot

            December 28, 2012 at 2:20 am
          5. BntyHunter

            Such is the great minds of the CFC…..What wondrous intellect.

            You realize Its gay sucking mittens pole right? Yet you call us gay?

            December 28, 2012 at 3:29 am
          6. bnty

            i was trying to lighten the mood you seem to take it too serious from all your fail posts

            December 28, 2012 at 7:32 am
          7. BntyHunter

            As was I, unless I struck a nerve because you really blow him :)

            December 29, 2012 at 12:10 am
    3. Since 03

      Ncdot on multiple occasions before and after the dotbros war helped irc save CSAA's. ill tell you what solar have done… Nothing for any of its allies, solar only helps solars needs. This is the brutal truth in black and white! Solar have worthy membership being lead by unworthy leadership. Mactep I used to call friend, but he's really shown over last several months that he's not just stubborn, he's a fool also!

      December 27, 2012 at 6:26 pm Reply
  6. NullSecHoBo

    LOL LOL LOL LOL
    *pauses for breath*
    LOL LOL LOL LOL
    no .. please stop …
    LOL LOL LOL LOL

    December 26, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
    1. fuckdatshitup

      you win the game sir πŸ˜€

      December 27, 2012 at 12:33 am Reply
  7. NullSecHoBo

    Ok, now that I'm done laughing my ass off, here are a few thoughts:

    – Good job on the narrative. By suggesting that this is really not RZR vs IRC but CFC vs IRC, you're prob making a last ditch attempt to get whatever semblance of allies you have left to come join you. Specially SOLAR. Sadly for you, they can read killboards. And more importantly, the leaders of these alliances talk to each other, often over a beer or two. So this kind of public displays of retardary may win you public support, but won't change the facts on the ground.

    – IRC stopped forming fleets after they were getting whelped day in and day out. Understand that RZR did not have cap support until very recently – and even that, there are a fair few only cause it's such a pain to bring them all the way through the south. IRC on the other hand had that option but only exercised it a few times. What did they was a combination of:
    — sagging morale,
    — no confidence in their alliance leadership,
    — lack of ship replacement program,
    — and most importantly, lack of a PvP culture

    – HB- was 2 weeks ago. Yes a bunch of CFC entities came out for the party. 250 RZR, 80ish goons, rest in smaller numbers. There's a br-doc somewhere. That you don't know what has happened since shows you've thrown in the gauntlet already. This is not good for your grunts to hear – hope you realize that. Just so you know, the order of the day has been RZR bridging around CE with IRC camping chokepoints in SBs looking for targets of opportunity. You know about your valiant SB pilots right? They really deserve a better alliance.

    – "IRC is well known for forming up even when it has slim chances of winning; evicting an alliance with a reputation for giving the fights you claim to want in the name of getting those fights is idiotic. " – They have the singular misfortune of being a subpar alliance residing within close proximity of an alliance that kinda likes shooting stuff. They also had the lapse of judgement that caused them to try above their weight class. What is happening to them is what has happened to every other subpar entity in the game that has tried something similar.

    Honestly, IRC's best bet is to give up it's current incarnation and either reform with better leadership, or merge into a more capable one.

    December 26, 2012 at 10:01 pm Reply
    1. AAA

      LMAO my cousins in RZR and razor is just picking on a carebear alliance which does form the occasional defense fleet etc. And yes RZR would not be taking IRC space without CFC help.

      You all claim otherwise but facts are facts when ur BR shows 10 different alliances vs IRC… yeah RZR is deploying the majority of the troops but alone it would go down differently. and RZR is not alone lol

      IRC is not a very good pvp alliance but the fact of the matter is RZR and cfc are taking their space for no reason under propoganda bullshit of good fights. and then RZR claims they are doing it solo lmao. rzr and every cfc alliance is shit without the huge blob backing them… its true

      oh yeah just saying but RZR v AAA solo AAA would take all ur space in 2 weeks lolwith a ton of cap kills. throw in a ton of cfc allies and we will still rape ur fleets but not take ur sov…. ur blueing of everyone in the universe may have alloud you to cheapely keep sov cause u all suck and are nothing without sov but your all going down adventually… cant wait. for fucks sake u still fly drake and mealstrom fleets hahahahahahahhahaha rzr/cfc is a joke!

      December 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm Reply
      1. truth

        hey i have respect for IRC they dont run away and leave ther space to the enemy, like another alliance we all know and hate

        December 27, 2012 at 12:57 am Reply
        1. haha

          It's okay m8, blue more people it makes you a WINNER

          December 27, 2012 at 2:44 am Reply
          1. Goonion

            As I said before, Razor are incompetent and cowards, which everyone in Goons agrees with but they do what they are told like a loyal dog. So that is good enough for us to keep them blue for the moment.

            December 28, 2012 at 1:21 am
      2. BntyHunter

        I second this from AAA

        Razor used to be somewhat the scariest of the NC [ which still sucked ] but they were the ones who liked to Pew. Now they are nothing but GSF pets, its sad.

        I wish AAA since it has no bound SOV would go up there and whip CFC`s ass a bit, I would cheer you on so badly, you might even spark something.

        December 27, 2012 at 8:29 am Reply
        1. Ze Noob

          lol i agree with u some what i think that everyone who is bitching goons ruined this game the CFC is the worst blah blah blah. Form up together and do something instead of complaing as individuals u know they took our space my butt hurts etc etc form up and fight if u hate the way this game is going form ur own coalition. Kill the 2 coalitions u hate soo much then dispand but until u actually do something plz stop bitching it really is getting sad.

          December 27, 2012 at 10:56 am Reply
          1. petwatch

            Personally I don't care if HBC and CFC blue the entirety of player owned null sec. I live in NPC space and have great fun, what ppl do in player own sov has zero impact on me. I guess the problem the huge blue blob is going to have is not only are they going to run out of big fights but they'll be finding fewer and fewer smaller ones. I won't roam into Dekco space anymore because a) most of it is empty or b) if you get into a fight everyone dogpiles onto it like a starving horde fighting over a bag of rice. No-one wants to fight with dekco gangs because they expect to get blobbed – even if they won't. I'm guessing this is why we're seeing more goons and test guys roaming NPC.

            December 27, 2012 at 12:03 pm
          2. BntyHunter

            You do realize its not bitching, its the way it is…

            You also may not realize because you are new it took guys just like me, actually exactly me to help post on forums so much the message got out that we should put our petty shit away and kill Northern Coalition, and back then they were far more menacing than CFC.
            Unless we keep spreading the word who would know to form anything? Who would go to there ALliance and ask for us to talk and consider the real threat?

            Goons say please stop bitching because they know if its talked about enough , and since its the simple truth that CFC has ruined 00 and has made a "Super Block or No Block Age" and that the weak are running the strong because the strong cant put aside its shit, Goons know if we keep talking we will eventually act, so guys like you call it bitching and try and make it whining when in reaity we are trying to get stuff done.

            Hell in the last few weeks, I have seriously changed my view on AAA and how they get a bum wrap a lot of times, how the HBC really isnt as bad as the CFC as some say, and that SOLAR could still turn around say it was wrong to band up with GSF, and I would forget they helped evict me and cut me off from my GF`s and Tec and turn towards the real enemy, all because I have read very good points from AAA members, IRC, HBC and even a few SOLAR.

            If we "Bitch" like this enough, we will destroy CFC, just like we did NC before them. Except this time we all see that GSF is the problem and we will kill them Root to Stem. I wont stop hunting GSF down until they disband or go into NPC space, and same with FA+FCON+RZR there time has come as well, its time they die for Eve to live like it was intended, not making 00 sec another version of Highsec for some and NO Entrance for others, it used to be a place we fought, now its a place one side blobs with little to 0 talent and wins.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm
          3. NullSecHoBo

            Yes – engaging in verbal diarrhea on forums is exactly what killed the NC off, and not the hard work of a whole load of individuals who rallied to a singular cause. Let alone the insult to all those entities, just goes to show the delusion of forum warriors :)

            If you really want to see change, band up, man up, and march north. Oh and spare a thought on how to get new blood involved – cause you old fogies might be worth 10 of them individually, but in aggregate, you're just not good enough.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Funny how you are one of the major "Forum Warriors" here.

            And yes the ideas were stated and re-stated over and over here.

            You really think im part of NCDOT and am allowed to not X up? Or not want to?

            You think im not one who got his 1500 kills pushing NC out? I was fighting the NC before anyone was in CH, infact we were the only one`s us and Evoke for a long time after Max.

            Us "Old fogies" that gather guys like Nexus, and earn AAA`s respect and can rally when needed 15k members together will be enough. 15k of actual fighters will roll up and smoke CFC.

            Tell me what Alliance are you with? What did you do to kill the NC? Or perhaps you were part of it?

            I killed Titans, SC`s, Fleets, used Spies to flip entire systems, provided intel for some pretty famous fights…..Im really curious what you did during that time?

            You are posting just as often as me about what IRC should do and its been sound advice, you also have stated many times its an age of Numbers etc etc, I find it funny how its so different from "Forum Warrioring" Lol

            What Block you from or ALliance or Corp?

            December 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm
          5. NullSecHoBo

            "What Block you from or ALliance or Corp? " – why, do you feel the urge to shoot the messenger instead of addressing the message?

            I was with the former NC, and am pretty active in game. I don't really feel the desire to wave my e-peen around with who I am doing what with (or did) but just to give you a sense, I've scored atleast 200 kills every month for the last 6 months. So 'forum warrior' alone is not my only affiliation with the game. I would have probably shot you when I was in the NC, though I may have fleeted up with you in the recent months.

            As for my perspective, I try not to get all rabid about any particular bloc, but I have to say that if there is one thing that irks me more than Goonie backstabbing and manipulations, it's the elitist Monday-morning quarterbacking from has-been wannabe elitist entities.

            December 28, 2012 at 12:29 am
          6. BntyHunter

            Im not shooting anyone, I simply wanted to know what Block you where or are from so I could put myself in your shoes/Brain.

            Was wondering how you could agree with me so much with one thing and disagree so hard on another, then I guessed it was because you were Ex-NC and in a way there were running a similiar scam, if they wern`t and instead took all there income and helped everyone get in a SC then when DRF came we couldnt have beat them.

            Also, I never said my speeches alone beat the NC, I said my speeches and others stirred up enough conversation that it united enough tribes to beat the massive NC who is IMO 10x tougher than the CFC is now.

            Sorry though im not a has been, a wannabe, nor an elitist.

            Wait isnt it funny, I just said how can you not understand this idea, which is not a personal attack [Killing message]

            While you say im a Monday-morning quarterback from a has-been wannabe elitist entity [Which is killing the messenger bigtime]

            Sounds like you are the elitist wanna be in this scenario? Being Ex-NC [most powerful ex entity in eve and all]

            December 28, 2012 at 3:14 am
          7. BntyHunter

            Damnit got blocked somehow.

            Point was….
            Im not a elitist Monday-morning quarterback from a has-been wannabe elitist entitiy

            Saying that when all I did was disagree with you not understanding that CFC is running a scheme on there guys, does seem to be killing the messanger and not the message.

            I asked you what block you are from or was in

            A. Because I would have bet ex-NC [Making you the has been wanna be elitist? ] :)
            B. Just to understand/take a walk in your shoes.

            I didnt do it to say ha ha im better than you.

            Fact is most NC did same as GSF now, if they would have been like NCDOT and given loans to every Super pilot they had ISK for they would have had so many Supers DRF wouldnt have stood a chance in hell.

            I didn`t want Epeen just a idea of what your career was like, to see why you thought that way, and how you were so opposite about one thing as me and so in agreement about helping IRC.

            December 28, 2012 at 3:21 am
          8. CFC

            well do it again then

            December 28, 2012 at 2:23 am
          9. karma

            it wont work out like you think because you elitist alliances arent new player friendly, this is why test/goons are excelling, if you dont change like -A- has failed to do youll die out eventually, change with the times, im not saying blob, but change your attitude/directive, train new players into your mold instead of trashing them for joining the only alliance that gives them a chance, this is why hbc/cfc grow so big.

            eves a conveyor belt if you stay still youll fall off the edge

            December 28, 2012 at 2:29 am
          10. BntyHunter

            We do BTW guys like Nexus, And all the other younger allies are selected for reasons of trust only, and has nothing to do with SP.

            Also we are so open to Corps who hangaround on our comms use our bases pos`s and remain blue and eventually are recruited…..Thats how every corp we have started with us in NCDOT.

            We are fine, we just are selective.

            But any Corp who loves to fight like us is welcome to do so as long as they are super active etc, they will get picked up by one of our alli`s for sure, just like im telling IRC PVPers.

            December 28, 2012 at 3:35 am
          11. Ze Noob

            lol then do it again u talk sooooo big i'm awesome coz i helped take out the NC look at my e-peen and fear me lol dude come on fighting is the only way to make a change in EVE also i'm not new i was playing when the NC fell i was glad they fell my message wasn't an invitation to say i'm awesome look at me.

            I fu want change form up like the DRF did massive amounts of respect for those dudes they didn't like so they just said thats it time for a change so they formed fleets killed newbs and are now a part of EVE history all i'm hearing from u is bitch bitch i did this i could do it again bitch bitch. Lets destroy these power blocks and put EVE right

            People of EVE no more measuring of e-peen if u want change fight for it don't cry and hope someone else will do it for u

            also i'm not a goon or in the CFC so there lolz πŸ˜›

            December 28, 2012 at 8:40 am
          12. BntyHunter

            You have no idea how the DRF started then. It didnt appear out of thin air. You really can be that Naive.

            "I fu want change form up like the DRF did massive amounts of respect for those dudes they didn't like so they just said thats it time for a change so they formed fleets killed newbs and are now a part of EVE history"

            Lol we planned it out, with Raiden. Raiden made good with White Noise. There was a ton of work to get these guys together and "WE" yes I was a part of it, "bitched" about it for a year before it happend.

            So if you think its just gonna form a giant 1300 man fleet one day, without any plan`s etc you are dumb.

            The same NC guys last go around said the same thing. "All you do is bitch, come on bring it" etc, but it takes a lot of public support for a group with such diverse personal goals as the DRF to form, let alone stay formed long enough to win a war….Bitching is step 1, sorry but thats the truth.

            And when the leaders do form I will be there again in the trench`s getting as much GSF blood on my hands as possible, without losing my job :)

            December 29, 2012 at 12:43 am
          13. Ze Noob

            lol man it's fairly obvious that it didn't happen over night i'm not saying it did i'm saying that it needs to happen again and all of those who are crying need to form together it will be a lot of work however in the long run will it not be worth it ?

            i know i'm looking forward to shooting me some goons rn't u ? πŸ˜€

            December 29, 2012 at 6:09 am
        2. lel

          The last time -a- fought us, we were in caracals and -a- had 100mn tengus.

          They got completely slaughtered.

          December 28, 2012 at 5:32 pm Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Proof please or it didnt happen.

            Also 1k Caracals can easily kill 50 Tengu`s…..So your furthering the point.

            Please post this massive victory over AAA, it seems very unlikely.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:37 am
      3. Ze Noob

        lols AAA is a joke go do some more RMT and let real pilots play this game

        December 27, 2012 at 10:22 am Reply
      4. xxxxx

        Some serious mad here. If you are really from AAA, enjoy your stay in Stain.

        December 27, 2012 at 7:35 pm Reply
      5. Thodoros

        @AAA,
        Did you take the wrong color pills again, or you are completely mad?

        December 27, 2012 at 10:35 pm Reply
        1. AAA

          lol no I am completely serious that AAA would beat the living shit out of RZR 1v1 or any alliance for that matter… hide behind ur sea of blues tho… you wont have them forever and when that time comes and cfc loses their sov I guarentee you 90% of your alliances and corps will disband and fall apart…. but AAA will still be there to rub it in

          December 28, 2012 at 11:46 pm Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            I would bet on AAA over Razor 9.9/10 times in a serious all out war.

            I dont think AAA would beat NCDOT/Nulli with equal numbers, infact im 99% sure. Just like I dont think AAA could beat PL`s 1300 + another solid 1500 guys to make the fight even.

            But these are the best pound for pound fighters in the game, and I would say AAA could take out 95% of Alli`s 1 v 1 and I have no agenda to prop them up, its just they are dedicated and very hard to make quit, mixed with a lot of talent, and if they made my man Mukk there head FC instead of the raving Lunatic they would be even better.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:48 am
      6. Goonion

        As I said before, Razor are incompetent and cowards, which everyone in Goons agrees with but they do what they are told like a loyal dog. So that is good enough for us to keep them blue for the moment.

        December 28, 2012 at 1:20 am Reply
        1. ballsdeep

          even if you werent such a stiring tard, cfc would not dare lose razor or any other of cfc for that matter, otherwise we'd see the bullseye get bigger all of a sudden

          December 28, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
    2. Fut inur arseee

      what a fucking joke! being an irc guy, even i can say this post is so far from the truth, its unbelievable. get a grip, eve obviously has become reality to you!!! stfu bitch, irc didnt want that space anyway and rzr can fucin have it!!!

      December 26, 2012 at 11:49 pm Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        "being an irc guy, even i can say this post is so far from the truth" is not exactly a resounding attestation of alleged untruths in that statement. If you were a goon or a rzr dude on the other hand…

        December 27, 2012 at 2:53 am Reply
    3. Mr_Gr3y

      Reading shit like this makes me really hope BL. redeploys so we can Muninn some sense into you

      December 27, 2012 at 6:59 am Reply
      1. xxxxx

        But you won't because your over inflated ego couldn't handle it.

        December 27, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
        1. Mr_Gr3y

          Whut

          December 28, 2012 at 3:27 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Peeps in game think that anyone who is a solid fighting alliance that we automatically look down on others.

            Until the younger guys meet us and we get along great. But its CFC`s main weapon vs us "Old Timers" who wont accept just anyone, they say we are snobbs because we dont like spies in our Alliances and guys who can do more than press F1

            December 29, 2012 at 12:50 am
          2. Mr_Gr3y

            One day the scrubs of Eve will be free of CFC propaganda

            December 30, 2012 at 6:20 am
      2. CFC

        nerf munnins, nerf BL.

        December 28, 2012 at 2:34 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          I lol`d

          December 29, 2012 at 12:49 am Reply
        2. Ze Noob

          y nerf munnins is the CFC scared of BL. are they the ones that when they come on the field u guys crap ur pants ? lol πŸ˜›

          December 30, 2012 at 5:38 am Reply
          1. CFC

            it was a reference to them being one tri……nvm

            December 31, 2012 at 6:51 am
    4. eve pilot

      its "throw down the gauntlet" to challenge someone and "throw in the towel" to give up. so "throw in the gauntlet" must be to give up on the challenge you just issued

      December 27, 2012 at 4:12 pm Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        Shoot.. you're right. Mixed up metaphors.. my bad.

        December 27, 2012 at 9:30 pm Reply
        1. oxford

          he's a hobo what did you expect him to be, educated?

          December 28, 2012 at 2:35 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            He`s a damned smart Hobo though, even when I disagree with him.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:51 am
          2. NullSecHoBo

            +1 to you, good sir!

            December 29, 2012 at 3:57 pm
  8. droljica

    Blah, its all about "gudfites" anyway, ask any PL&goontard.

    December 26, 2012 at 10:13 pm Reply
  9. Anti Sheep

    How can anyone stand against the BLOB…

    December 26, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
  10. razor grunt

    im in razor, and when we form fleets, hardly ever with any other cfc allaince in them. we head into IRC space and wait, wait some more, till finally either IRC have twice our numbers/ come in bombers/ or blueball us and we go home.
    we had some respect for them to atleast come and fight even with all the losses, but this propaganda is laughable, killboards dont lie.

    December 26, 2012 at 10:21 pm Reply
    1. EvE

      Goonion says you are a good but stupid dog. Is that true?

      December 26, 2012 at 11:16 pm Reply
    2. -A- FC

      -A- wish for twice our number, that is a pretty fair fight compared with what is usually waiting on a PL titan for us during most 'gudfites'.

      So Razor admit they are unable to fight outnumbered by an alliance they consider to be the worst in eve?

      Razor like all goon pets are incapable of taking sov without goon backup, or indeed their blessing and command.

      December 27, 2012 at 12:03 am Reply
      1. razor grunt

        if your a -A- fc i feel sorry for them, you cant even read properly, i didnt say we didnt fight them outnumbered i said they wait till they outnumber us 2-1 dumb fuck, this coming form the allaince whos main tactic is to run away lol
        maybe you should concentrate on your fail alliance before it falls apart

        December 27, 2012 at 12:52 am Reply
        1. smallscale dude

          thats wrong aaa doesnt run … they fly the dockcat doc(k)trine wich has been tested during the last delve war for great success

          December 27, 2012 at 1:19 am Reply
        2. wow

          RZR really talking about fail? LOL

          -A- would utterly annihilate your pathetic alliance 1 v 1 anytime, anywhere. When you have experience fighting an entire coalition by yourself, then you can talk. What was RZR's main tactic when it comes to any serious war? No need for a history lesson here.

          You guys went to Goonswarm after they betrayed the old NC. Some people are willing to do anything for space.

          December 27, 2012 at 2:16 am Reply
          1. Observer

            Aren't you test pets already?

            December 27, 2012 at 2:23 am
          2. Fixed

            When you have experience abandoning allies and running from an entire coalition by yourself.

            Fixed.

            Everyone talks back to -A-

            December 27, 2012 at 3:53 am
      2. Testies

        Your dockcat doctrine nearly demorslized us as we had to silently grind all your structures and systems without interuption.

        December 27, 2012 at 1:38 am Reply
    3. IRC Grunt

      Razor does come in fleets by themselves regularly that much is true. Nobody is questioning this.

      Thing is its almost routine that every other hour another CFC alliances rolls in with their own fleet in addition to Razor. Since it is too far to get fights elsewhere, you get CFC fleets coming around all day every day for at least 2 months now.

      Razor employed the standard cloaky camper strategy in all major ratting systems well before the invasion started. So essentially all the signs are there that this was the CFC plan all along. For 2 months 1 alliance is feeling the weight of the CFC and people call us shit.

      Well we're not the best PvPers we admit it but we fight to defend the space. What do you seriously think is going to happen after getting hammered every day around the clock? The fights could have continued but you've decided you need to go even further to keep your pilots entertained.

      To our dotbro buddies during Tribute I can only say I'm sorry. Many of us harrassed our HC day after day. Where the fuck is Solar? Why can't we put our differences aside for this moment where we can finally change the tide? It was infuriating, the egos that just wouldn't give it up. We eagerly signed on for Tribute for a chance to finally strike back, the chance to change the face of Eve. For what its worth IRC put themselves there because they wanted to make a difference. In the end we know it wasn't much. Politics and diplomacy failed and now we are seeing the end of days.

      This was a long time coming, kind of like watching a car crash in slot motion. Thanks Solar!

      December 27, 2012 at 1:14 am Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        You guys have a great bunch in there who's spirits are admirable. Specially those being led by tessa and bcpro. You prob have a good future ahead of you.

        December 27, 2012 at 2:56 am Reply
        1. a random IRC Pilot

          BCPro is soo Pro!!!

          December 27, 2012 at 4:30 am Reply
          1. FuG Goons!

            I sleep with a BCPro Blanky :)

            December 27, 2012 at 4:31 am
  11. truth

    one word killboards

    December 26, 2012 at 10:24 pm Reply
    1. just me

      the same killboards that say -A- is an unstoppable rape machine?

      December 27, 2012 at 2:58 pm Reply
      1. NullSecHoBo

        why would either of IRC or RZR use the -A- killboards?

        December 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm Reply
        1. truth

          no he's right, there are some -A- lossmails on our KB, he speaks the truth

          December 28, 2012 at 2:40 am Reply
  12. ~A~ dude

    Razor outsmarted our fcs in delve several times. Also, the irc killboards show that they have been beaten by strictly razor unless they had outside assistance and then cfc participated. Otherwise, Irc has been plain bad and beaten with equal compositions.

    The irc dilemma is the same wn and rdn…they have a rotten core. So now they are failscaiding like wn and rAiden. The good thing is like my alliance they have the option to just join the hbc.

    December 27, 2012 at 12:36 am Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      You are a -A- guy? Lol

      "The good thing is like my alliance they have the option to just join the hbc."

      Dont know how many would say this, most -A- are loud and proud and I can understand why, they still arent completely trashed after being soundly defeated every year they keep up morale, much like Nulli did where most Alli`s would fold.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:04 am Reply
      1. sayit

        Same for NCDOT. they have been kicked from one side of the map to the other but they still stand tall, more power to them!

        December 27, 2012 at 8:02 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          It was a complement to -A-, IDK why I got negged?

          Maybe I should have said , Overran and steamrolled due to numbers, but still kept there chins up and are proud and I respect that a lot

          December 27, 2012 at 8:06 am Reply
  13. BlueDoughnutComing

    1. We want gudfights with our lovely neighbors!

    2. OMFG, they shot our *whatever* -or- they aren't fighting hard enough, they must be taught a lesson! Bring EVERYONE!!!

    3. They didn't come out and die repeatedly to our huge fucking blob, they are cowards so we will take all their space!

    The CFC/HBC three-step plan, used in every single invasion since Branch.

    December 27, 2012 at 2:02 am Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Yeah whenever CFC says GF`s, I LOL.

      You can`t have GF`s with a group like the CFC who will be beaten 9/10 in battles then finally on 3 Timers send 900 guys in and TiDi a system to 10% then claim they are winning a war.

      SOV is there onlky measurement, they lose entire fleets night after night when we fought them and yet they would simply out blob us to where any ship style we used would be ineffective without bringing 4x more of ourselves, then they would claim victory.

      So since SOV is all they care about, and like the Borg to assimilate all of Eve, you cant beat them.

      You beat them 9/10 and you hear "Well who owns the systems now?"
      You kill there Titans and you hear "Well we didnt like that stupid guy anyways, Oh BTW who owns the SOV now?"
      You murder there FC`s and leaders over and over like Fagdul, Da Big Red Retard, and the others and "We have the SOV"

      So they do not even know what GF`s are, and the best part is then after Blobbing/Steamrolling everyone who they could fight, they carebear 24/7 while chanting on forums "Man we wish we sucked more so we could get GF`s, we are just to good and now we are bored, time we take another region." of which they will kill any more chances of GF`s….Horrible cycle, they think they are Good because they Own SOV then act like they cant get GF`s because they killed everyone to fight and no one can match them……

      In realit they are terrible, take 2 hours to form up, and wont undock without 3x there enemies numbers….

      FYI CFC thats not GF`s

      December 27, 2012 at 5:13 am Reply
      1. truth

        im really sick of all this bitching the so called elite pvp alliances do, you guys are retards to new players, so your not able to recruit any new players to refresh your ranks, so your vets leave your numbers decline yet you trash cfc/hbc because they make a good atmosphere to play eve, its called fun. also HBC is bigger than CFC so not sure why CFC is main target of all the shit talk

        December 27, 2012 at 6:34 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          Here is what I said in another post. I actually like the HBC, I disagree with some choices but hell I disagree with alot of m own Alli`s.

          "IMO CCP has installed a system where the weak can outkill the stronger or smarter by simply dogpiling in massive numbers, which took great planning and great talent at one point, but now is harder to screw up than to keep it going, every Newb in space goes 2 places to enter 00 right away, CFC or Test. One thinks they are badass the other knows without the newbs they arent shit, thats why HBC IMO is a lot better they admit it, and I respect HBC a ton for doing just that. "

          So what you really must mean is "Stop dogging on CFC because they are talentless and recruit every newb that has no where else to go and who uses them as slaves"

          The TRUTH is, in Eve you used to organically have to work your way into 0.0 which is the proper way, you werent able to sign up one day join a fail alliance like FA learn shitty tactics and shitty PVP, think GSF are gods and then 2 years later realize they are garbage.

          I don`t even think CFc and HBC are anything alike, HBC has a great system very very similiar to our good friends Nexus fleet who we love and have tons of fun with BTW, or like TEST who PL uses like a Nexus.

          So you were saying we bitch about what now? I bitch about the GSF because they are just as unfriendly to newbs as anyone in game….You dont get to join GSF as a newb, if you think so your smoking crack, they just take up all the talented pilots from there Pets.

          Test/HBC on the other hand actually fosters these Newbs doing bi-Daily Rifter fleets and will fight anyone any time, where GSF will not fight until outnumbering 4 to 1…..Cant compare the 2.

          So before you come out saying we dont like newbs, just stop there. your dead wrong. We chose to allow only exp players into our alliance, but we are nice and totally approachable by anyone.

          I have had a 40 mil SP toon since 08 and have done nothing but gain friends from then on and eventually help them become a member of us "Elite" and they are 10x more happy than if they would have become a COG in the CFC pyramid scheme that sucks you in and never elevates you. Besides Directors from the 155 Corps in GSF and besides the Thousand more Corp Directors who really gains from them owning all the Tec? The Avg joe gets a New Drake that he lost for spending 40 Hours grinding structures? WOW HOW BENEVOLENT

          Fact is the AVG CFC member gets nothing except there uppers richer, and if they carebear like they have 0 life then yeah a SC here and there but look at the real examples of there real SC fleet and 90% of them will be a Director in CFC not a normal member.

          In NCDOT we have tons and tons of guys who are grunts with SC`s, infact 80% of our SC`s are NOT Directors.

          So you tell me who is doing what the best? you are`t truth, you just aren`t very well educated about how it really works. I have buddies in CFC and its simple they dont make shit from the huge ISK they make passively, just a quiet place to Rat, but they could do that in HBC but have the chance to join PL in a year if they prove they are worth it, or join any number of other great groups, like Raiden or Thorn, and all while getting the same exact perks from an alliance who`s passive income is 1/1000th of what GSF/CFC makes.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:01 am Reply
          1. asken

            Have you been in the CFC? or this this what you have heard somewhere?

            December 27, 2012 at 7:47 am
          2. BntyHunter

            I have had 3 Toons in CFC for 2+ years, as spies of course but still I see from 4 Different groups including GSF how it operates.

            Nothing anyone just says unless I respect them has me so dvoutly thinking something like this.

            I have done the math to many times and seen to many SC`s only from Directors etc, and TBH its why GSF has 155 Corps in it, that means a avg of 3 directors get there hands on Moon ISK, so tell me that most the SC`s in the alliance arent Directors who were half payed for by corp or wholly paid for.

            1 Toon I worked alot to go up the ladder and was told that if I worked my ass off for a year while fighting I would be given a directorship and SC, when I asked about there programs towards others they said yeah we help with SC programs we offer upto 2 Bil ISK for a SC and 5 for a Titan…..I lol`d

            So you work your ass off, like a kid making nike`s and you get a lousy what? 10% help with a SC and what? 5% for a Titan, and none from alliance but if I was a fovorite and got on good side I get one right away free.

            Its pyramid scheme, @10% if I rat for 20 bil for my decent SC the Corp made 2 bil off me anyways so your are just giving me back my ISK I gave you, If I never make it that long and constantly buying T3`s etc instead you make the 2 bil and keep it or if I have to quit eve same thing. For Titan they actually make ISK by 5% and thats only a corp at 10% most are 10-15%.

            Now imagine that the Moon Goo they make they only pay for replacement drakes at what? 15 mil a pop after insurance. THEY MAKE 12 bil a month per moon.

            DOESNT ADD UP. Its all protecting the rich Directors and getting them Multiple Toons with both Titan and SC and giving Mitt`s a HUGE WADD OF CASH, hell if it was NCDOT making 250 moons worth we would all have Titans after 3 years.

            We doubled our SC`s in 1 year with 50 Moons.

            December 27, 2012 at 8:20 am
          3. Not a Pet

            Are you just mad cuz yo dont get a share of my pie?

            December 27, 2012 at 6:00 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Im so pissed, you took my Pie :)

            December 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm
          5. NullSecHoBo

            I don't think you understand how a pyramid scheme works :)

            Either that, of you probably met literally the worst 5%-pyramid-schemer in the world.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:32 pm
          6. BntyHunter

            Or, you think time is free.

            And dont understand the Corps pay nothing, for 12 Bil per moon per month.

            If you dont understand that Time=Money and these guys think they are getting ship`s payed for when in reality there own Ratting pays for them, and on top of that they are required to sit around titans 6 hours then go defend something 50 jumps away, then im sorry you are beyond understanding.

            You are just thinking of the actual ISK but not realizing that its there time/Moon Goo that is the scheme`s payoff, not the 5% the scammer makes.

            BTW
            5% of what Goons makes annually would make any scammer in the game wet himself with joy.

            Funny how with some things you are so right on like the IRc advise then you are oblivious with others like how they need 30k membership at all times to control 100% of Tec moons, and these "Gift/Grants" of 10% of ships are the same they pay in taxes.

            On top of all this they pay for a monthly membership, CFC doesnt….Its the biggest Scheme in the game by far. X number of director`s get filthy rich forever in game, 99% of CFC members will never get a penny more than they earn while doing the Coalitions work and paying 15$ a month to do it for as long as they do it.

            like I said if you can`t see that as genius and evil and the greatest scam there is, I dont know why you are so on about other things.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:45 pm
          7. NullSecHoBo

            Dude… you had improved a lot lately, but what you typed above… makes no sense!

            December 28, 2012 at 11:32 am
          8. BntyHunter

            Tell me what part you dont get?

            GSF taxes there guys 10% then gives it back to them and acts like its a gift and they are special, when in reality a alliance with 250 Tec Moons should be handing out 50% SC`s and replacing anyships lost, not flying Drake armies and making there dudes carebear until kingdom come.

            Also while they are doing this, they are required to do what ever structure grinding Mittens tells them to.

            Also how hard is it to understand that Time= Money in game?
            So if you are fighting 90% of the time, and always grinding SOV and sitting on Titans for hours, how is that not a scam? They are peasants doing all the work receiving only what they rat when they are by far the richest ALLI IN HISTORY OF Eve, yes they beat BoB, and BoB used to make SC`s and HUGE discounts, I know I bought some, how do you think Ankou and Fin got so many damned SC`s?

            So what im saying is the Avg player gets nothing he wouldnt anywhere else, but thinks he is and so he fights for no pay, while the Directors of GSF`s 155 Corps sit and rake in the ISK and all have Titans and Mom`s and Dreads and Carriers and multiple Toons etc all from the skim.

            155 Corps? Really, you see no problem with that? Yo usee now way those 500 Guys at the top make soooooooo much and the avg guy makes nothing.

            Anyways I have seen it first hand, and was planning to buy a Titan through CFC until I realized it all was a wash and I would have to stay 6-8 months fighting constantly moving grinding structures and Ratting at 15% while the Corp was going to give me 2 Bil on a 20 Bil super.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:33 am
        2. truthis

          goons will attack hbc out of boredem and all of eve will descend on cfc and laugh

          December 27, 2012 at 7:26 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Goons will never attack a target they cant out Blob and they cant 4 to 1 HBC ever.

            GSF will never attack HBC, we just have to pray Shadoo makes Montolio feel terrible and in Mittens shadow so badly Mont wants to attack :)

            You can`t ever rely on GSF to attack a united opponent. Look how they operate they attack NCDOT then tell Evoke and others who need income that they arent responsible and wont be hunted down, trying to cut friendships. Then once we gone it takes on IRC alone, then it will attack SOLAR alone after it used it all up to kill NCDOT…..ETC ETC ETC

            They will only stop when HBC+CFC space touches on the half moon.

            I do think at some point HBC will say "Hey we are better and have the numbers to kill CFC, so why do they control the Moons and all the wealth when we have PL,Thorn and a few other truly badass fighters and they have? No special force of solid fighters, unless you count there great gankers in HI-Sec :)

            HBC will see they deserve the Tec more, and when that happens wewil ldrive 1/2 of the hauler alts back to the abyss we know of as Jita.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm
          2. karma

            i would say thats clever strategy

            December 28, 2012 at 7:36 am
          3. BntyHunter

            No one can say without being totally ignorant/stupid/unaware that Goons aren`t Clever, they are Genius`s at this game IMO.

            They really are the greatest Political force Eve has ever seen, and Mittens+Vile are [were] both incredibly smart, as was Stalin, Lenin and Marx.

            Even though he does remind me a lot about a certain dictator, I don`t want to use his name as I would be adding to Godwins law, whoops just by mentioning it I already have :(

            December 29, 2012 at 12:15 am
          4. Solar pet=Best pet

            Or both hbc and cfc could choose a random alliance in their coalition to reset every time they get bored( There are plenty of them in between both of them to choose from).

            That way TEST and Goons dont have to reset each other and stay butt buddies forever…

            Let's not forget about other entities in the south if drone region becomes blue. Keep random alliances in the south and keep NIP with them for awhile, then kick them out!

            Rinse, cycle , REPEAT!

            =/

            December 29, 2012 at 5:23 am
        3. Goonsrvirgins

          "so not sure why CFC is main target of all the shit talk"

          Because they are all wankers, and their leader is the biggest wanker of all, who will untimately kill this game.

          December 27, 2012 at 10:40 am Reply
          1. xxxxx

            All I read is people mad that CFC is successful. Please keep it up for the laughs.

            December 27, 2012 at 7:30 pm
          2. BntyHunter

            By Successful you mean has the most 20 mil Sp or under pilots…..Then yes by far the most successful, and hell while we are at it most talanted.

            00 Sec should be an ever changing warzone, never a stagnent reach around with 50 jumps of blue in every direction.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:15 pm
          3. bntyhunterthegoon

            Ever think you pretend to be a spie but actually join cfc fleets because you like them better. Judging by the number of posts you strike me as a closet goon.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:27 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Im such a Closet Goon its not even funny. I love them so much, I dont have the words.

            Oh wait a minute, nope. Im just Bored at work.

            I`ll tell you what though, there is no one I like to spy on more, there fleets would kill me if they wern`t so retarded and funny, seriously hillarious with guys posting funniest pictures ever, and also fits they think will change things like the fleet Armored Raven, the Armored Drake and them talking about it how they could change there image from using nothing but Shield ships etc.

            Best Comms ever, to be a spy on, like Darwin mixed mongoloids and sheep, bred them and they shat out Goons :)

            December 27, 2012 at 9:31 pm
          5. truth

            no successful because no one can stop them, i dont like their tactics but they work

            December 28, 2012 at 7:38 am
          6. BntyHunter

            True, but only because the system is broken IMO.

            Think about this, Goons have tried since 05 to do what they are doing right now, they tried to take Delve several times which was the North as far as riches then with moons.

            Everytime failing in a huge way. After reforming 4 Times and finally being given there space up north were they able to keep it.

            So what has changed in Eve? Numbers, but the game hasn`t changed with them. Before GSF never worked because a Blob was 200 guys and with 80 Solid guys a badass like Cry Havoc, old Evoke, PL, Tri mk x, etc could defeat that size fleet.

            Now 200 men is what the little guy brings because he has to, at that point GSF and blobbers of now can bring 500-900 with ease and at that point there is soooooo much Alpha+DPS fleet fights require little to no skill.

            See even back then GSF had to fight with skill at 200 people, but not anymore, its just Anchor F1.

            The game needs to adapt to the numbers, it hasnt, thats why its failing and starting to spin its wheels very badly.

            If Sov was fixed and numbers being the ultimate weapon in Eve now was balanced just like every other weapons system, Eve would be great. And no one could hold as much space as them for so long.

            Hell BoB was the first massive Empire that had tons of SC`s and it was only Delve+Querious and they had huge numbers of allies with the Merc Coalition etc, they tried to invade north but couldnt win because it took more than just brute numbers, now GSF can do what they couldn`t because Numbers have changed drastically but game mechanics havent.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:22 am
        4. fox

          Goons are the only group in the game that insist on sticking their noses into other alliance's business, telling them what their recruiting policy should be.

          December 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
      2. lel

        You're about as good at defending your sov as you are spelling

        December 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm Reply
    2. abcd

      if it aint btoke dont fix it?

      December 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm Reply
  14. Mnstr of Propaganda

    This post (and the last one) are filled with such unbelievable inaccuracies, that I'm literally laughing my ass off. This video is relevant.

    [youtube PYNjL9_rCJc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNjL9_rCJc youtube]

    December 27, 2012 at 3:13 am Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      This post was meant to respond to the previous one, and unless I'm totally off, presents a "slightly" different point of view. If you have an elusive third but all-explaining point of view, please do share!

      Otherwise, you opinion is as useful in this discussion of adults as is the linked nursury song your mom sings you to sleep with every night.

      December 27, 2012 at 8:59 am Reply
  15. Mr_Gr3y

    If Razor wanted goodfights they would have the brains to not allow other CFC members in fleets or on any ops.

    Alot of Razortards continuously screech "Look at the killboards hurrr durrr!" Well, in several battles there has been CFC involvement all the way up to supercaps. Whether or not it was a one off thing, it doesn't matter, it shows RAZOR is unable to handle IRC by themselves.

    Here I'm assume Razortards are getting red in the face, frantically typing away about how IRC refuse to fight their roaming fleets unless they can blob, (which is probably stretching the truth) well let me put it into perspective for you:
    Fighting an alliance that has had coalition backing in recent engagements is like attacking a guy who just hot dropped someone a few hours ago in your current system. Most people wont want to risk anything, as they expect an escalation of force, so they can do one of three things:

    1. Engage with their current force and hope they don't escalate.

    2. Engage with a doctrine that allows a safe engagement range, or an ability to gtfo (bombers and t3's)

    3. Preemptively form a fleet that can certainly beat their current enemy and may have a chance against an escalation of force.

    IRC has tried the first one with very little success and many losses,so now they're switching between the last two.

    December 27, 2012 at 3:49 am Reply
  16. BntyHunter

    Here`s the latest Butchers Bill
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15

    December 27, 2012 at 5:01 am Reply
    1. truth

      500 – Internal Server Error

      December 27, 2012 at 6:36 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter
        December 27, 2012 at 7:02 am Reply
    2. Guy

      Not going to link the fight right before that?

      December 27, 2012 at 6:57 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Show me a link Ill post it. Win or lose, I dont care.
        http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&a
        Butchers bill just means what was killed where.

        Please link the fight before, i wan`t there I`d like to see it.

        December 27, 2012 at 7:03 am Reply
        1. Guy

          Eve kill is down but just before that PL lost a rokh fleet in lxq, including a 2.5 bil fleet rokh and a nightmare for some reason.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:06 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            I`ll look, I would have posted that but didnt see it, that is to say if it was from SOLAR. Otherwise its kinda not relative to any SOLAR action.

            I have been asking for a place just to post Kills for ongoing wars that aren`t major news but just daily fights, with major conflicts, like CFC vs IRC or SOLAR+AAA vs NCC/PL or HBC or HBC vs NCC etc. but its never happened. It would be fun to see any fight with more than 35 kills or a certain ISK amount just to get a glance at who is fighing who.

            As I refreash DOTlan every 30 mins and see if there is a spike anywhere I usually catch them. It would be fun to post. If PL lost a major or even submajor 50 vs 50 fight it would be fun to post.

            Since I have started this the funniest thing is NCDOT [my Alli] has fought with Test+CO more than AAA :) in both ISK and Numbers, yet we are said to be blue.

            December 27, 2012 at 7:13 am
          2. CFC

            still no razor v irc fights linked

            December 28, 2012 at 2:47 am
  17. cautiontothewind

    The HB- fight is what really killed irc. Many of the pilots were looking for a nice battle between us and razor. When the cfc showed up it became clear that it was not going to be two equal size alliances duking it out. After the fight with the cfc the morale was crushed. It was tough to get the numbers to match solely razor fleet after that. If hb was just a fight between irc and razor im sure razor would have never risked there super fleet on there own in the hb fight. Also if irc still lost hb against razor alone there morale would not have been crushed as severely as it was when the cfc jumped in with 500 guys and gave them surprise butt sex.

    A fight between irc and razor alone pre hb fight would have been a good fight. After the cfc's moral crushing hb- fight irc didn't stand a chance. In the back of every irc pilots mind there thinking If i win razor is just going too call daddy goon again.

    December 27, 2012 at 5:10 am Reply
    1. anonymous

      An awful state of Eve we find ourselves in. I am not involved in the conflict but it sounds like if it was just Razor vs IRC it would at least be an interesting fight and from experience I know that things like that can destroy morale. You are more likely to show up to fight an enemy when you can expect good fights than when you expect them to blob you beyond any semblence of a fair fight. Had you lost the fight for hb- to razor alone would it have made a difference.. I think so.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:27 am Reply
    2. ignorance is bliss

      bullshit, thats why you ran all the other times we had 40-50 man fleets out

      December 27, 2012 at 6:35 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        The CFC came in force for the final timer in HB, so we know that should we go all out to defend a timer the same will happen, so its guerilla war type stuff because we know that as soon as we form up for a big one in comes the entire CFC again. And so many of those fleets have some CFC in or there are other CFC fleets floating around, you are jthe one full of bullshit.

        December 27, 2012 at 7:08 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          CFC will never….I repeat never not take a system if its at all possible, they are Crack addicts addicted to Timers.

          They will always Blob no matter if you are 50 or 500 CFC will bring there Brothers, there brothers-brothers and then brothers cousins.

          They can only do timers because it takes them 4 hours to formup so literally our spies have to sit in there formups for half a work shift….Timers are perfect, they can carebear until then etc.

          The best part is they will have 1k Guys vs your 50 then call you a pussy for leaving when you literally mght take out 2-5 of them before TiDi hits and 50k Missile volleys fly. They dont realize your not cowards they are. That you fighting them has 0% chance to come close to a 50% Effec.

          Thats why when we were able to get 300 guys we always beat them, because they couldnt bring in enough people to beat us and break our logi chains, and we would kill them. But for a 5k group 300 members is a shit ton compared to there 30k Membership, its unsustainable.

          Dont ever take anything CFc says about combat to heart, it really is like a 500 lbs sumo calling anyone fat.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:45 am Reply
          1. Unknown

            You want some cheese with that whine?

            Nothing is more entertaining than a sore loser.

            December 29, 2012 at 1:20 am
          2. BntyHunter

            Who`s sore?

            I loved every second of killing your newb blobbing asses. I padded the shit out of my KB, we got epic videos of us doing seemingly impossible things like killing 150 Drakes+80 Nados with 60 Hacs.

            And what did I lose? Nothing.

            When you look at space like we do and dont consider anywhere home, when we were fortunate to get tec moons we were just lucky enough to get them for a day let alone a year.

            See you SOV junkies fall apart and disband because guys just join you to rat in peace, we literally could live in NPC and be fine, Sure SOV helps and its nice to hang your hat but it doesn`t define us like you guys…..When GSF loses Dek and you guys get mapped we will see how many of your 10k members stick around, my guess is 3k-5k….We lost a whopping 250 guys/1/8th, you will lose 1/2 probably more.

            Lastly im not whining how you guys fight, but its the facts.
            Can you honestly tell me your tactic is not to outnumber your opponents with as many as you can?
            Can you tell me you undock when we had you with even numbers?
            Can you show me a KM during the war where the numbers were close and you beat us?

            IMO im sorry but I won. i dont care about SOV, and I murdered you wholesale while outnumbered 3:1
            For the love of god just watch these…Sorry but they look impossible yet our team did it…..You brought 2.5 times our ships and brought the counter ships to what we were using and we still beat you.

            Watch these for godsakes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnKGOsEuA6Q

            December 29, 2012 at 3:50 am
          3. fox

            They win in large part because there's no pyrrhic victory in eve. Because of the way insurance works, you could kill them at a 20 to 1 k/d ratio and they'll still end up taking the system.

            December 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Yep you are also very correct.

            There is no 300/Thermopylae, no Alamo`s, no battles of Marathon.

            Just the Zombie hoards

            December 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm
          5. xxxxx

            Wow, I have meet some crazy people who take their video games way to serious but you take the cake.

            December 29, 2012 at 10:10 pm
          6. BntyHunter

            Because I know my shit about the history of war? Sorry bro but, I could never have made it in the army without studying those battles.

            Just because you don`t know what those battles were doesn`t mean, I take the game to seriously, just means I used RL incidents to explain certain areas of Eve.

            December 29, 2012 at 11:05 pm
          7. Loltrolled

            You are so full of shit, you are literally a walking cess pit. it doesnt matter how leet your PVP is, enjoy lowsec you fucking retarded banana fucker.

            March 12, 2013 at 2:57 pm
        2. BntyHunter

          Damnit I got blocked….

          I just said, CFC no matter how crappy the space or how awful it is will always take it by blobbing the timers, because they can fill it with newbs who dont know its shitty and those newbs can recruit there "Newborn Armies" like sparkling Twilight movies lol

          They will bring 20 ALliances even if you bring 1 no matter what and then will call you out for not hurling your ships on there missiles. Not seeing that they are the cowards not you.

          Anything with CFC calling anyone else any name considering PVP is a fat 500 lbs Sumo calling anyone else fat and disgusting.

          They would always lose when we brought 300-350 guys because our Logi chains were so damned tough at that point and they couldnt blob anymore than 1k without so much TiDi we could hop in and out and kill them, but with our 5k numbers 300 man fleets were unsustainable while they could throw 500 out of 30k so easily they could have another 10k carebearing at the same time.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:51 am Reply
  18. ...

    Even if 50 ships helped razor win 1 battle they still didn't take the region by themselves. No way around that simple fact. but Reguardless if Razor or irc wins it's still like winning in the special Olympics. Hurray you got the medal you're still a retard.

    December 27, 2012 at 5:29 am Reply
  19. Kiyohime

    How is this a mystery to anyone?

    IRC's enemies can bring 900 guys. No matter what they want to do, the guys they form up in respone to attack all know that. Whether there's that many in evidence or not is irrelevant.

    IRC will fail – I would say within 2 weeks without substantial help, which they aren't going to get. There's nowhere for them to go other than high sec. Even there you'll probably see corps disand as I doubt they'll want to put up with the wars.

    The whole IRC / NC. thing at this point is wholesale irrelevant. Would it have prevented an invasion of Cobalt? Would it have meant Solar could bail them out? I don't know if you've looked but Solar's got more than enough of their own problems right now.

    Within 4-6 months it'll all be either TEST or GOON. Now that PL has comitted (hired, cough) to fighting it could be a lot less. Good – let's have it over and done with so we can move on. Maybe if CCP bothers to fix Tech (which broke EVE) things can change.

    December 27, 2012 at 5:35 am Reply
  20. hmmmm

    http://raynor.cl/eve/formRecive.php?id=5qwmaR6 speaking of which I wonder what PL are doing with this little fleet on the edge of the drone lands so late in the year, happy new year maybe?

    December 27, 2012 at 7:17 am Reply
    1. Spy

      Around Jan 1st a campaign starts w/ CFC and HBC launching offensives into the drone regions.
      That's what they are doing there.

      December 27, 2012 at 8:47 am Reply
    2. dead= good drake

      pl been aroun the drone region for months with test helping RA nc and nulli so nothing new people saying the CFc is going too invade not so sure if it will happen

      December 27, 2012 at 10:57 am Reply
  21. fletch

    Once IRC falls, only solar and provi left as non blue space to the HBC/CFC ,lets face it these 2 are exactly the same only the coalition became so bloated they had to seperate to find targets.
    I guess Goons will do what bob failed to do and conquer all 00 space.
    All the retards that are blue to CFC/HBC congratulations you cunts have won eve.

    December 27, 2012 at 7:26 am Reply
    1. CFC

      thanks

      December 27, 2012 at 8:38 am Reply
      1. Kiyohime Ronuken

        If only you knew what's going to happen the day after… Let me assure you – you've no clue at all. I'll give you a hint: politics, blues, moons and all the isk in Eve won't matter….

        December 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm Reply
        1. CFC

          not sure, my subs running out cant afford a new one cause of my GF boobjob i had to pay for, can you tell me anyway?

          December 28, 2012 at 2:44 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Lol

            December 29, 2012 at 3:38 am
        2. Anona-mouse

          We should start putting bets on how long it takes for the CFC and HBC to start hemorrhaging members or at least how long until the shoot each other and anyone else blue to them in hopes of owning all of null.

          December 28, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            HBC continues to amaze me on DOTlan every week seeming to add 150 more, never ending…..Must be 150 new Eve players a week :)

            December 29, 2012 at 3:38 am
          2. recollector1973

            Once we (CFC and HBC) will "win" EvE and control all the null, we will fight eachother…except not sov grinding and bullshit, just gudfites only.

            Everyone that hopes CFC and HBC go at eachother throats…keep dreaming.

            January 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm
        3. Unknown

          I heard we were going to invade High Sec? That get called off?

          December 29, 2012 at 1:36 am Reply
    2. xxxxx

      Didn't know you you could win at eve.

      December 27, 2012 at 7:41 pm Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        They found a way through broken mechanics to do so……I call that cheating, CCp needs to boot them so we dont have to waste 2 years grinding there SOV :)P

        December 29, 2012 at 3:39 am Reply
    3. M1k3y

      N3/NCC aren't blue to CFC/HBC

      December 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm Reply
      1. petwatch

        lol – yes they are – they have a NIP. Or as it should be called a 'don't hurt me again daddy' clause.

        December 27, 2012 at 9:25 pm Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          NIP`s are cool, look at the pussy CFC though they wont even do that. Because they know there Carebears would get so butthurt losing a Tengu to one of there members that they would fracture in a second.

          December 29, 2012 at 3:41 am Reply
      2. Guy

        Oh so that's why PL decided to deploy up to Uemon?

        December 27, 2012 at 9:38 pm Reply
        1. Truth

          Lets see, PL are Mercs and what do Mercs do? or Do we need to spel itt out for you?

          December 29, 2012 at 3:27 am Reply
          1. Guy

            I'm sure they're around for 'goodfights' too.

            December 29, 2012 at 4:20 am
  22. anti goon

    goons are theeemoost pathetic piece of shiitt alliance.. of all time.. same with their petzz.. bahah. dewswarmmust die.

    December 27, 2012 at 12:30 pm Reply
  23. pitabro

    small gang pvp is best pvp. when u dewswarm noobs acually finds out, eve has been dead for10 years. wlc after!

    December 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm Reply
  24. CE's Mittani alt

    Razors couldn't take on IRC on their own sufficiently enough, so they did what they had to -ask daddy goon to halp. HB- was a strategic point to conquer and with all battle statistics, numbers were two to one (at least, ahem, in reference to the rzr bitch whining here that IRC is the one doubling up). I am yet to see a large engagement where'd be razor alone but I guess it'll only happen when they grow a pair :)

    December 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm Reply
    1. CFC

      its against eula to impersonant another persons eve toon

      December 28, 2012 at 2:46 am Reply
      1. Anona-mouse

        and you don't represent the entire CFC so sit down and keep quiet while the adults talk about serious spaceship business.

        December 28, 2012 at 3:54 am Reply
        1. CFC

          ouch that was good you must have taken a while to come up with that

          December 28, 2012 at 7:24 am Reply
          1. yarr

            and you could have put more thought into yours as well

            December 28, 2012 at 8:08 am
          2. CFC

            touché

            December 28, 2012 at 8:18 am
    2. RZR Guy

      im part of RZR and I agree, we are all a bunch of beeches

      December 28, 2012 at 7:45 am Reply
  25. The_Oracle86

    I'm curious as to what evenews24 will report once the blob fags have won at eve???

    December 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm Reply
    1. CFC

      they will make it up like they always do

      December 28, 2012 at 7:40 am Reply
  26. Observer

    Since PL invented their "we're here for the gudfites" idiotic statement in Delve, every stupid CFC HBC fag like them is using this excuse.

    -A- FC suggested IRC would join N3… I believe the best thing would be if they disband and move all corps to TEST. The sooner the better CFC HBC imbeciles find out there are no structure killmails left and boredom finally kills them.

    December 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm Reply
    1. Random CFC Grunt

      You an IRC person? Why do I think so? 1. By the amount of butthurt you display, and 2. By not knowing shit about what you're talking about. I ain't talking about PL, but as far as CFC goes, ONLY our ventures into CE (I'm not counting small deployments to Syndicate for example) have been the only attempts at good fights. Branch invasion – wasn't, Delve/Querious – wasn't, same with Tribute, same with Vale – these were aimed ad evicting the shit inhabitants of these regions. Get your facts straight troll.

      December 28, 2012 at 9:11 am Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        ooops, I forgot Tenal invasion in the meantime, that wasn't about GF's…to be honest it wasn't even about fights – Raiden just packed their bags and went away…

        December 28, 2012 at 9:13 am Reply
      2. Guy

        PL usually announces 'we're here for goodfights' before launching an invasion. I don't think anyone's falling for it again. I wouldn't be surprised if the HBC comes and the drone regions fall within a few months now that they're deployed to uemon.

        The question is whether or not the test/goon reset will come after that. There will be no structures left to grind at least.

        December 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm Reply
  27. solar fail

    SOLAR complaining about IRC helping NC. LMAO. You russian fags invited goons+co to tribute and vale. You're next.

    December 27, 2012 at 7:04 pm Reply
    1. Solar pet=Best pet

      Well maybe after that we should join the CFC just like xxxdeath… I'm sure GSF wont mind.. Then we can become "THE Le Blob".. πŸ˜›

      December 28, 2012 at 2:19 am Reply
    2. Titus Veridius

      Its retribution for crashing crystal markets. ^.^

      December 28, 2012 at 7:32 pm Reply
  28. eve pilot

    this is nothing more than taking space and giving it to new CFC member legion of xxdeathxx who's been moaning the face of anyone with influence in the CFC to give them space now their getting their christmas wish granted this was nothing to do with gudfights more to do with keeping the CFC natives happy.

    December 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Yep and who wants dronelands back to BOT and to make MACTEP look like the ultimate fool.

      Mactep= the guy who helped his own destroyers get into better position trampling over there allies to Butt-Rape his own Alliance.

      If GSF pulls this off by installing Xdeath in IRC space through these RZR "Good Fights" Mactep will be as infamous and as known as Bobby Atlas, one of the only people with so little foresight they ruined themselves, by shitting on there Allies and helping there enemies.

      December 27, 2012 at 8:55 pm Reply
  29. BntyHunter

    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15

    Rape, and I was there. If anyone has another KM link etc post it, please I wanna see any Gf`s today.

    Dont worry IRC if we cut through SOLAR fast enough maybe we can help lol
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&…

    I do like how supers are being at least seen again.

    December 27, 2012 at 9:49 pm Reply
    1. howcome

      I don't see either IRC or Razor on that blob KM?

      December 27, 2012 at 10:29 pm Reply
      1. CFC

        its propaganda tactic, let them have thier fun and we can rent out CB

        December 28, 2012 at 2:37 am Reply
      2. BntyHunter

        Do you see SOLAR? You know IRC`s buddy who is fighting in south rather than helping in north.

        December 28, 2012 at 3:23 am Reply
    2. Solar pet=Best pet

      Lmao.. wait a minute!… wasn't you the one that crying earlier about solar butt raping you in gem and how u wanted solar to come help u in the war against goons instead..lol.. facepalm..
      Oh yeah just in case u dont remember you already had a war with CFC and guess what irc ws helping…That didn't go to well if i remember.. So what makes you think it's gnna be any different this time..lmao
      Also didn't NCDOT just reset Irc earlier this week even though they are getting invaded by the CFC.. Some friend you are.

      December 28, 2012 at 2:15 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        You must be CFC, you are to unaware to be anything else.

        That war we wanted help in is long over man WTF are you talking about? Tribute is done, SOLAR picked sides and now there Ally and then them will pay for it by being killed by CFC.

        We are a good friend, when the idea was brought up for a stay of violence so we could have a pipeline to go help IRC since we have 40 jumps of SOLAR in between guess what they said?

        Also its funny IRC is and was invited to come down here with us and grab better space, but they wouldnt so that was there choice, and smart guy they still might, and if they do we will defend everytimer they have.

        December 28, 2012 at 3:25 am Reply
        1. Solar pet=Best pet

          Then why you keep bringing up the past if you are so over it. Just stop mentioning it…

          Sorry though, i thought you guys were elite pvpers!.. could you not fight you way there and help your so called "Friend"..lol

          Oh sooo did I just read that right. Are you saying for you to help IRC, they would have to back stab solar and friends and give up all their space because you promise them some "better space".. BULL!
          you just wanted to create a blob and use them as meat shields just like TEST and PL And yet you talk about how GSF and CFC are ruining the game .

          By the way even though IRC did what it did, we never reset them. We just respected their decision and kept it moving. I am sure we could have made their life a nightmare if we had decided to reset them.

          For every action they are consequences, All of their actions so far, excluding Kalevala, (which they got involve in because Solar told them too), have been against us. So it should not be of any surprise to any1 that they are now paying the consequences for their action. They should just accept it like an adult. Other than that, we wish them well.

          By the way which timers would you help them defend? The ones In CE against the CFC? or would you just tell them to forget bout their sov in CE since you just stated yourself that you couldn't help them because " we have 40 jumps of SOLAR in between".

          Plz reread your post because your post is full of contradictions. But then again maybe you are lying about the reason why you cant help

          Just saying!

          December 28, 2012 at 5:12 am Reply
          1. learn 2 read

            he said if IRC moved down with them they would defend every timer and cant currently cause of solar being in the way… moron

            December 28, 2012 at 11:57 pm
          2. Solar pet=Best pet

            idiot.. i am asking which timers. The ones in Cobalt Edge? cuz that's the only timers IRC have atm.. . Have you even look at the map?

            It's not too inconceivable to see that they would still have the same problem defending IRC timers in CE even if IRC did move to curse dummy..

            By the way CFC would just use this chance to take all of CE in like one week…

            So would the curse + NCC coalition (forget bout HBC fighting CFC, atm they have NIP) be willing to go back and retake IRC space in CE (meaning starting another war with CFC) with Solar + friends in between still being enemies to them?? (By the way, they still at war with SOLAR + Friends)

            Only way to go help them atm is crossing Solar space (which bnty said clearly was not possible cuz of solar) or CFC space through Tenal.. But if you guys are gonna give IRC insmother or Scalding then help them defend them those timers.. then this one is more believable.. That is why i ask him to clarify in between

            December 29, 2012 at 12:25 am
          3. BntyHunter

            Yeah you didnt read. But then again im not a great writer and freely admit it.

            Im trying to help them keep some semblance of there Alliance intact and inviting them down to join us yes.

            You act as though you are benevolent because you didn`t reset them, while still allying with CFC who is now kicking there ass and taking there space. You have been protected by them for 4+ years on the back door, we have never had such an arrangement and still we help them more than you, infact you killed them by aiding CFC, and you killed yourself. Soon you will be in Xdeath or in Hi-Sec.

            And we didnt reset them either, infact we made channels just for CFC fighting during Trib/Vale but you guys popped up so often with CFC they couldnt fight towards the end 7/10 times so they finally just wouldnt bridge in until we saw the field.

            Lastly I praised them multiple times for NOT STABBING SOLAR IN THE BACK even though it was against my own judgement and my own interests in Eve, they stayed true and I really respected that.

            IRC DOESNT OWE SOLAR SHIT, its the other way around, you would have been taken by the NC years ago if it wasnt for them, now YOU are the one leaving them to die.

            We never made a pact to protect them, you did, they are part of YOUR block, so dont try to throw this on NCDOT when its your responsability.

            It would be like us not helping Nulli now get Sov after they spent 4 Months defending ours. We had to make a choice Nulli or IRC and we are bound by duty and we TBH we love Nulli. They helped us even though they knew we would lose…..How about SOLAR? Are you gonna help them knowing that they will lose?
            Yeah didn`t think so.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:08 am
          4. Guy

            Speaking of which, are you going to help IRC recover or get some space after everything finishes? Not helping them out would be a really shitty thing to do after they put themselves in the firing line by helping you in tribute.

            December 29, 2012 at 12:33 am
          5. BntyHunter

            We have to or I will be very upset, even to the point of leaving, and a lot of us feel this way.

            Also like I said Vince may not seem reasonable at times, and TBH sometimes I dont agree with him, but when it comes to Allies, It goes IMO

            Nulli= Brother`s, I would fly 50 Jumps every login to help them out if need be….I would lose all my SOV defending theres. Not being cocky but we are the elder brothers so to speak so I feel protective over all the younger guys in our circle, but Nulli esp.

            Nexus= Little Bro I would kick the shit out of anyone who picked on them.
            PL= Brother who sometimes is selfish but you love them anyways.
            Pangu, and other NCC = Same as Nexus

            IRC= Guys we truly liked who align with our goals way more than there Block leaders, but who stayed true to them which earns them huge huge credability IMO, also looked at as a little brother in a lot of ways.

            Gypsies= Awesome guys to Blue with and great Bombers, but not as close as an Evoke or other Allies yet.

            Red Alliance= IMO is a Temp Blue for sure and unless some major changes happend not going to be a life long ally like we plan for with others.

            BL= The brother you have a fight with and blew up on and both of you have hurt feelings, it will take one of us to apologize first [I think we should ] but the problem is in Eve it will look like bitching out so no one wants that, but we grunts, still love Elo and his bunch, I miss the guys all the time.

            AAA= Enemies I can see turning to friends very fast, we have 90% more in common than we do differences. We both are backboned PVP allies with trouble communicating our intent which then gets used very effectively against us by our cunning enemy, yes I said enemy because in the long run who attacked south first and started the fight? CFC

            SOLAR= Great Grunts TBH who have pledged loyalty to a guy whom I used to like, who has turned into a madman and honestly could be argued has thrown IRC to GSF as a offering to leave them alone and join CFC. More and more im thinking CFC needed a big win over the last "English speakers" in Drone lands and MACTEP is now allowing it in return for CFc`s pardon, but what he doesnt realize is they are gonna let us do there dirty work then use the NCDOT thing again to take dronelands from us that we take. Hopefully thats when SOALR`s great individuals re-form and we work together.

            Sry guy another wall O TXT

            December 29, 2012 at 3:01 am
          6. Solar pet=Best pet

            You made some great points and i agree with a lot of the things you said. But only thing i have to say is even though I didn't agree with everything that solar did, we didn't go and help out their enemies either. Although i do understand why IRC did take those actions. They were looking out for their interest and felt the need to act because they themselves felt they would be in danger.

            Now if I was in IRC position, I probably would have done the same thing too, but i would also understand the consequences too.

            Striking out of your own (meaning you left coalition )and getting involve in the war against the CFC basically gave CFC a reason for them to come after you. Especially when the coalition you just left, I don't even need to say it. We all know what happened :).

            Let me ask you this question, when ppl where talking about the ncdot coalition at the time, which names came up?

            Granted we did not shoot each other at the time, but just because you are not in our coaliton does not mean we cant be friends :), especially if you use to be old pals. But i bet if IRC did the same shit with any other coalition they probably would have been reset .. But that is another matter.

            Based on your argument above, we do not own them nothing either. When NCC decide to declare war on us, they did not nothing either. May i remind you, none of them show up for a SOLAR timer by the way,nor let's not forget Imperial legion. (Also, this an act of war toward a coalition that you said that they are a member of by the way).

            They didn't even bother to do a half ass deployment or ask their guys to volunteer like they did for NCDOT. Now is this an action of a coalition member or an independent entity?

            Instead they chose to remain neutral, which means they don't belong to any coalition. Now i don't know about you but actions speaks louder then words.

            Where IRC went wrong was trying to be in two coalitions at once and ended up in not being in any. They should had pick a side and stick with it.

            December 29, 2012 at 1:49 am
          7. BntyHunter

            They never left your Coalition.

            Just because some guys in an article said they were "DOT BROS" doesnt mean they made a choice and told you they withdrew. In fact they told us in beginning that they were never going to leave you guys and made it clear if it came to fighting you not only would they not fight but most likely withdrawl which they basically did.

            They didn`t strike out on there own, Gypsies did. See how huge the difference is?

            They knew CFc was your biggest and there biggest threat and had been for years, since it is just NC reloaded but with 1 leader not 20.

            You just chose midstream to help CFC meaning you made there goals against your own, when in reality you should have supported them, which meant supporting us, ask most guys in Eve and they will tell you this is what everyone thought you should and would have done. Instead you pulled a 360 turn around isolating them, and letting CFC come to the Boarder of Geminate and DR….Can you really say that is wise knowing Xdeath is part of CFC and promised to take back your region?

            They didnt attack us because they were just bluing us.

            Imagine you are SOLAR block and your natural enemy Xdeath is coming at you all the time, you band with AAA and fight them since they have tried to kill you all along. Now IRC all the sudden claims its supporting Xdeath and fighting alone side them. Who is the one in the wrong? IRC would be, siding with your natural enemy helping them get closer to you, and the only guys in between them AAA [your natural Allies] are now required to be your enemies because IRC made a bad choice?

            Sorry but it was SOLAR who was expected to side with IRC, sinceIRC had been defending your ass for 4 years.

            Seriously answer me this, besides killing IRC what have you done for them? For all those times we thought IRC was ruined and finished and somehow they pulled out victories and NC never made t through…..What did you ever do to repay the debt?

            They gave up on Tribute war because you, a war that for them was defensive so that they wouldnt have to be fighting this war today, they wern`t fighting for conquest but so they could get more Exp and get a army prep`d, and what did you do? Got in the way of them defending, almost as if you told CFC "as soon as we both kill NCDOT, you can kill IRC and give it to Xdeath but promise you wont invade us"

            If they would have, attacked us with you, there word would be worth crap. Instead they did the hardest braveest thing an alliance can do. Watched, as they saw there bigger brother help there bully neighbor get stronger beat up there friend and leave them alone.

            If IRC would have helped us fully we would have rolled you up and spit you out of DR so fast it would be rediculous. We were short on numbers but that was it. If we added another 100 or 200 guys to our fights and went directly east, you would have been screwed, with Gypsies+Us+Nulli+BL+Red and then after losing Trib+Vale CFC would have started to pick you off as well.

            IRC held off knowing it was the beginning of there end all for SOLAR, and the promise they made to you.

            A author wrote that they were DOTBROS but they always told us SOLAR came first we had no illusions.

            December 29, 2012 at 3:22 am
          8. Solar pet=Best pet

            That's bull and you know it.

            I can also say that if they had help us in the war when you guys started invading scalding , we would had spit you out too. So what is your point?

            What if instead of them helping you, they sided with solar in geminate. It could be argued the war would not have last as long as it did…

            What if IRC had stayed with the coalition the whole time, im pretty sure everything would had been different.. Maybe neither they nor Solar would be in such a shitty situation.. Maybe when CFC finally did come, IRC would not have been facing this threat alone. All these points can be argued.

            So what ? I can keep on going. I can just copy and paste most of your argument and just replace the words.

            All i know we made our choice, and so did they. Whether we like or not we are leaving with the consequences. So instead bitching and wondering about what if. instead we should just deal with it.

            Also Tribute was not our problem, as far as i know no allies was being invaded in tribute so there, stop bitching about it as if it was our war.

            As far has I am concern we were still at war with you guys, when your bitch fight with the CFC started.

            why you went and start another war, IDK, you being DUMB or had way too much ego I guess.

            So what if NCDOT coalition came after getting rape by the CFC, we would still take you on. B)

            OH yeah i forgot, let's not forget the HBC. Amazing you talk bad bout goons because they are bluing everyone, yet you are doing the same thing.. (Dont use the NIP excuse, HBC/CFC have an NIP too).
            I just luv how ppl keep talking about taking on the CFC while HBC and CFC have an agreement with each other to come help each other if they are invaded.

            Shit!.. You can almost say they are a coalition o.0

            By the way, do you truly believe that HBC would not coming running to tribute if shit were to start going south for the CFC.

            Anyways all im saying is IRC is in this position because of decisions that they made. I am not blaming them nor faulting them. I was just responding to all the butthurt that ppl have because SOLAR+friends did not choose to go fight some1 else war, so therefore are getting all the blame for the shitty situation in NULL rite now. In fact, I still respect them because through it all like you said they could have easily opened a second front for us.

            I may not agree with everything that leadership does, but I know this, all the blame does not solely belong to us.

            ppl are just using a solar as a scapegoat for their problems, instead of looking at the situation and figuring out how to deal with it or make it better or becoming part of the problem themselves.

            Anyways let just agree to disagree

            December 29, 2012 at 4:47 am
      2. Since 03

        1) NCdot reset IRC to nuet for any roaming fleets that are about to get more fights,any CTA or OP situations NCdot would be working with IRC. By reseting does not mean anything melitious you fucktard,just more oppertunity for fights.

        Look at my 2nd point below ->

        December 28, 2012 at 8:56 am Reply
        1. Since 03

          2) DOTBROS did an amazing job against cfc for the 4 months they were at war. Dotbros were raping cfc fleets day in day out for 2 and a half of those months as they are well aware,killed several titans and several supercarriers to no losses. It was a stale mate until drama set off. CFC even blue balled for over a month due to not wanting to fight NCDOT. Now solar pet scrub tell me what have you ever done? except to try and vulture tech while ncdot were engadged against the biggest blob in eve. NCdot even raped solar when they worked with cfc on the second front while they were also fighting cfc on the other. DOTBROS had more success and honour in that war than any war of recent years. Success against massive odds.
          Solar ONLY has ever had success against NCDOT in geminate when we moved to the south and left Geminate Tech moons undeffended… Congrats Solar are true heros ahahahahahaa wololol rofl lol
          aka solar have acheived nothing but stupidity,and will shortly be engulfed and having the hoarde of scrubs that are cfc on there doorstep knocking… this is gauranteed πŸ˜‰

          December 28, 2012 at 8:57 am Reply
        2. BntyHunter

          You are also right on. NCDOT as a general rule doesnt like to stomp out enemies until they have no homes, we aren`t Goons who want every system in the game, we can say honestly we want Good Fights, and we are getting them.

          Now GSF IMO is different, I want to not just beat them but put them out of the game, I like a lot of the GSF Grunts but im sorry they are just to brainwashed by Mittens, he really is Idolized mainlly because all the guys in DBRB generation of Eve who were newbs in 08 are now leading in GSF and they recruit Newbs to the point where Mitt` can say anything to them and they will believe it.

          So IMO there is no middle ground with them, we gave them life after DRF and allowed them to survive [Sorry but its true] and they used to bring Goodfights until Mittens wanted to rule all of Eve and then he just blobbed everyfight, with the same exact ships everytime….Sorry but he makes this game boring, and guys it is a game. He mentions GF`s but his only version of that is when they outnumber the enemy 4:1 and win by default.

          Besides GSF, I dont wish many in Eve to perish forever.

          December 28, 2012 at 11:52 pm Reply
    3. Bob

      Solar is giving evac to empire orders for certain areas, so those expecting Solar help dont hold ur breathe. If ur w8in on NC. help, dont forget the tail end of campaigns often drags on – and Solar still has some fight left in em :) Look how long it finally took to clean out the last of that IMP-L space. :)

      December 28, 2012 at 3:39 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Your 100% correct. It takes very very long to just grind the actual structures let alone do it with only 5k members.

        It might take 4-5 months before SOLAR quits or disbands [well SOLAR as we know them now]

        Hopefully the bandaid will just rip off, the faster they die the faster IMO AAA and the loyal SOLAR guys who never wanted to fight us will re-group and fight the real enemy. I can`t wait for the day where we get to fly with the SOLAR fighters and AAA guys TBH, they are both very fine fighters, In Eve its funny you dont really respect guys until you fight them or Ally with them in fights.

        December 28, 2012 at 11:51 pm Reply
        1. AAA

          I loook forward to the day when AAA teams up with NC. and nulli etc to take down the noob blob

          December 29, 2012 at 12:23 am Reply
        2. Solar pet=Best pet

          Seriously, you might know more than me, but in my own opinion, IF we end up kick out of our space, it seems that it will most likely be done by HBC plus friends atm. In all honesty, we might scatter like the wind, some will go to high sec, low sec or wherever the wind take us. Joining the guys that just butt rape you and were the cause for you losing your space is kinda hard to do. If anything, the logical choice would be joining CFC if we wanna have revenge (if CFC dont join in).

          Especially when you take into consideration all the guys you are asking to come together have a bad history between them because of recent past. It will be hard for us to trust each other to take on CFC… Best scenerio, if HBC and CFC starts going at it, we might just be a 3rd party.

          But then again, that how i feel rite now..

          But maybe you know better, idk, anyways will see what happens.
          In my own opinion, IF we end up kick out of our space

          December 29, 2012 at 12:54 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            You are right, they "SOLAR" will not join NCDOT right away or ever. But 1/2 the population will join Gypsies or Red and in that way will fight with NCDOT.

            They realize Mactep made huge mistakes out of pride. They also will want to be in some of there old are`s which Red+Gypsies etc will own, and since Gypsies and them were so close and now Gyp are very prestigious its just going to be natural.

            Remember PVP`ers can get over losing SOV very fast, Carebears are the ones who get super butthurt forever.

            For instance right now I would join SOLAR in fighting GSF, even though SOLAR IMO was the knife in the back, after they joined we just couldnt win. But I dont really care because its how war works, and TBH SOV makes PVP`ers like us lazy and fat after a while.

            So IMO 1/2 SOLAR is pvp 1/2 Carebear and the PVP`ers wont want lowsec they will want major war and there old systems with better leaders and familiar faces…Here enters Gypsies and Red.

            Funny but think AAA has what? 1/4 of Morsus Mihi now, and MX1 and 2 was very cutthroat. and PL was help paid by the NC to evict them.

            Us PVPers just see it as natural to our game, you risk your SOV you lose it period, thats why we thought Mactep always being before a PVPer wouldnt care that we had earlier fights over a few moons, he surely didnt care that CFC fought them.

            Anyways you have some good insights as well, im surprised how level headed you are, nice to argue with guys like you no matter what.

            Your the kind of guys that we will need, and the reason im sad its come to this.

            TBH everyone is scared to look like a pussy and just say enough im sorry we did this lets move on, I wish someone would though.

            December 29, 2012 at 3:34 am
          2. Get

            You attack SOLAR long before your quarrel with CFC.

            December 31, 2012 at 12:29 pm
        3. Guy

          I don't see many of the drone regions alliances, Brick or Solar teaming up with ncdot even after they lose their space, which seems fairly likely now that the HBC has started to deploy. Some of those alliances will disband, some corps will join the big blob and some will probably just have fun out of NPC space. There's just no point in doing sov warfare unless test and goons do a reset.

          December 29, 2012 at 12:57 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            It wont be a "SOLAR" teamup.

            It will be just like RAIDEN did from BoB. Alot of SOLAR will join Gypsies, and infact a ton of SOLAR guys I know are just there for the SOV now and realized MACTEP boned them a while ago.

            Raiden, went with alot of BoB`s natural enemies and got over it and realized NC was the real culprit.

            I think we will get a lot of SOLAR players [about half] that realize MACTEP is wrong, but they are loyal and until the Alliance dies and moves will stay to fight, they are on avg very good guys.

            December 29, 2012 at 3:26 am
          2. Get

            >Alot of SOLAR will join Gypsies

            Hahaha, no, it not possible, belive me, my delusional friend.

            December 31, 2012 at 12:31 pm
  30. SimonJenks

    Im in NCdot and we really want to help IRC against Razor and co but they are just so out of the way of our space atm it really isnt plausible to get there, plus tbh if NC and Nulli got invovled again with IRC to defend thier space then im pretty sure Razor would bathpone every other CFC alliance then to aid them

    December 27, 2012 at 11:14 pm Reply
    1. Since 03

      It's already cfc vs irc, but it would be difficult at very least for ncdot nulli to aid irc as yes they are so out of the way, but vulture fleet ( solar fleet ) would make things difficult on transition.

      December 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm Reply
      1. Solar pet=Best pet

        vulture fleet .. lmao.. I like that name.. think i'll keep it πŸ˜€

        December 28, 2012 at 2:01 am Reply
    2. CFC

      yeah then cfc would get involved, NCdot already proved they can almost hold entire CFC back, but atm with only IRC to beat on RAZOR can do that by itself

      December 28, 2012 at 2:17 am Reply
      1. IRC Indy Alt

        CFC is already fighting RZR's fight. It is too late for RZR to claim this one.

        January 2, 2013 at 7:31 pm Reply
    3. Snaketzu

      That's ok, when IRC sacrificed its standings with allies (who could be helping them now) to help NC. in Tribute, we kinda knew when it was time to pay the piper you wouldn't be there for us.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:52 pm Reply
  31. Adaylate

    As a soon to be ex-IRC member, the situation is pretty clear; IRC is outmatched. CFC (and Razor alone as of late) have far more pilots, more resources, more will, and in the end more success. The degrading part is that some of that never had to be the case, if we had really just fought back.

    The scuffle for HB- station was literally the defining moment of all of this, and what makes it worse is that it was almost the first fight. IRC brought a fleet (it's clear and pretty accurate in this article…I was one of the Zealots there), and we were fighting…at the time we didn't care that there were probably 2 of them to 1 of us. But when they dropped those supers, it was literally like all hope was lost. The event hurt our morale to no end…and it hurts even more now knowing that we had caps to fight back with; but we were ordered not to.

    From then on the fights have pretty much been degrading. In almost all of the fleets that I joined since the HB- timer, the enemy has been ~50 or more CFC (sometimes all Razor, and for whatever reason…sometimes a Spacemonkeys crew). We would form up…sometimes with 50 or more guys to counter in a matter of minutes. And just as we are about to get orders to march down the pipe to engage…the CFC gang is running away. Why? Because there are spies…FAR TOO MANY SPIES, and they tip off the approaching gang that we are ready for them. So…30 minutes go by, and we stand down…having done nothing. Ten minutes later they are back, with 50+ again…this time with something to counter the counter that we had. So we form again…usually with close to the same fleet size we had the first time. The cycle repeats itself, and morale hits an all time low. Who wants to sit in a pos while your enemy takes advantage of your form up time to hit your jump bridges but never actually fight? "Not I" is what the several groups of IRC members that have already left have said. I have to admit, it is a good tactic, and a good use of their resources.

    I just wish we had used our's. So shame on us…we blew it.

    Cheers

    December 28, 2012 at 7:09 am Reply
    1. FuG Goons!

      Join BCpro and win Eve!

      December 28, 2012 at 8:30 am Reply
    2. Titus Veridius

      ::: shrugs:: IRC had a chance to learn a few things in the War in the North. They also could have looked at the map and easily foresaw what was going to happen to them. A peace-time bear organization cannot fight CFC entities that just came out of a hard fought War with Dotbros. It's pretty simple. They had to change the structure of their organization, minimize the ability of Goons to hurt their ability to undock and fight, mentally prepare pilots for difficult times, and use fleet comps that do not play to CFC strengths.

      Would they lose if those things had been done? Probably, definately, yes. But they might have been able to draw the fight out, sharpen their FCs, identify their weak leaders, Darwin cull worthless pilots, and minimize or even strengthen morale by at least making sure CFC knew that they were in the fight, and that IRC was there. They might have been able to eventually make a personnel withdrawal to another region (perhaps low-sec, or NPC space) with an intact organization that might turn out to be stronger (but definitely more lean).

      Fact of the matter I've seen Ipsimus from Brack Legion force 120+ man IRC gangs to dock indefinitely while they had timers to attend to with 6 bombers; there was and is little of chance of any of this being put into motion.

      :: eats popcorn and watches::

      December 28, 2012 at 7:27 pm Reply
  32. EPA - BCPro

    On the note of the valiant stealth bomber pilots here's some clips and battle reports that the EPA has been leading out in cobalt edge…

    Battle Reports http://epa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i
    http://epa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i
    http://epa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i

    [youtube JV-U9AluSbM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV-U9AluSbM youtube]

    [youtube _ZANiw0K9Jg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZANiw0K9Jg youtube]

    December 28, 2012 at 8:58 am Reply
    1. This guy

      No trani porn?

      December 28, 2012 at 10:45 am Reply
      1. EPA - BCPro

        ran out of trani porn

        December 28, 2012 at 5:42 pm Reply
    2. NullSecHoBo

      Son… if that was an attempt to vindicate your pvp prowess, I don't think killing of one retarded Mega pilot and 3 cruisers is going to make the point =P Even if you post the same video twice.

      December 28, 2012 at 11:27 am Reply
      1. EPA - BCPro

        check the battle reports bit more than 3 cruisers and a retard mega pilot

        December 28, 2012 at 5:41 pm Reply
        1. Thodoros

          _Emm, and how many time we have bomb the crap out of you ?
          Lets not forget that you have also bomb your own flee as well.

          December 30, 2012 at 5:25 am Reply
    3. razor grunt2
      December 28, 2012 at 8:01 pm Reply
    4. BntyHunter

      Thank you for the footage I appreciate it.

      December 29, 2012 at 12:52 am Reply
  33. nightahwk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRDALs8k3Kc hb- station second rf timer fight.

    December 28, 2012 at 11:26 am Reply
  34. Battlewatcher.

    i look at it this way, IRC lost cobalt edge a few times but still managed to get it back.

    Xdeath/PL invasion.
    and others.

    IRC may not have the numbers to counter the CFC invasion, on their own. but IRC you gotta give them credit for at least haveing the balls to come out and fight even without other alliances helping them.
    IRC also doesnt have tech moon support like CFC does. IRC has lasted this long without them? Irc members make all their isk thro ratting mining,PI. wormhole exploration.

    droneland wars vid perfect example totally outnumber people thought it be a few weeks they dragged it on for months, despite being outnumberd.

    I know irc all to well and know they wont go down to easy, they most likely have something big up their sleeve the cfc wont expect

    December 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      A couple of things are different this time:
      – IRC has lost a lot of their pvp-heavy corps already
      – RZR has nothing else to do within a good few regions
      – Nobody cares about CE or IRC enough to come to their aid

      If you see IRC catching a breath, it's cause RZR decides to deploy elsewhere either through choice or need.

      December 28, 2012 at 11:48 pm Reply
      1. IRCRandomGuy

        really cause BL came out last night to help out IRC while remaining neutral. And that forced rzr to run away like little noobs that they are.

        yes irc has lost a bunch of pvp corp heavys, but they will still fight, we call it dedication.

        December 29, 2012 at 4:35 pm Reply
  35. indy

    ok, i didn't read all the above comments and i'm fairly drunk so ill make it short-

    CFC, including Razor wants ultimately to own all of the 0.0 and win eve, everything else is a propaganda. Them announcing things or not depends on which course of action is likely to produce better results. Its obvious and thats how i would do it, thats why CFC or the top decision makers rule and will continue to rule EVE and to think that it will change is an unreasonably positive wishful thinking.

    its sad really, for everyone concerned….

    December 29, 2012 at 2:34 am Reply
    1. indy

      well except HBC which is a dummy CFC(decisionmakers') coalition, and this coalition is the device that will provide the good fights for CFC in the future to keep CCP, the players and in particular CFC members happy

      thats all there is to say about it all and the more u people -1 the more obvious how misguided u all r πŸ˜‰ in any case i love u all x x

      December 29, 2012 at 2:37 am Reply
  36. IRCRandomGuy

    rzr didnt fight us yesterday, BL came in with 91, IRC brought 110 ish rzr ran back to se- like good little noobs.

    December 29, 2012 at 4:27 pm Reply
  37. I just do not know

    A recent battle:
    http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i

    A Razor fleet and a FA fleet, combined on the VAF gate in QT

    December 30, 2012 at 9:58 am Reply
  38. blah blah

    Well the only thing i see is that CFC is very brave due to one lone fact they have Pandemic puppies in their corner and have pushed in NC Dot. so they are not even in the areas the CFC are in. Sounds like to me that CFC are not afraid of anyone and can let their capital fleets do anything they want. And if they have any trouble they will just send their pets Pandemic puppies after the aggressors. This is all the facts right i mean really Pandemic puppies have also been the scariest force in 0.0 and with them being neutered by CFC who is gonna get in the way.

    January 4, 2013 at 8:33 pm Reply
  39. Some Dude

    OMG, Please leave IRC's alone, they are probably the last alliance in this game, that just sits in Cobalt-Edge and causes no problem to anyone. They have always been nice in local and always say 'gf' if they lost. I fought them many times, they may be not that experienced, but at tleast they have manners, what you can't say about all the CFC/HBS cry-and-puberty-waiting-babies-that-scream-and-shit-on-every-corner. I think MANY SELF-RESPECTING THEIR TIME PVP'ers will agree with me…….It takes fucking 50 jumps to find a fight around this blue-sea-land. Then 50 jumps back to home for just 2 minutes fight (if you lost)? You must be kidding me……..I could just fucking join a warfare wars and have GF at my home land, and spend all those 100 jumps time on farming on new ship………

    January 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm Reply
  40. Good

    I'm ex-IRC from before the war. I rolled with these guys for approximately 3 years. They were a bunch of egotistical fucks who had this coming for a long time. Cheers RAZOR!

    February 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm Reply

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