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It appears that Father Christmas has rolled into Cobalt Edge this Christmas with a fleet and he isn’t giving out presents. RAZOR have begun a full scale invasion of the region, flipping stations away from the incumbent region holder Intrepid Crossing. In a time when EVE is quiet and people spend time with their families, RAZOR pilots have been logging on at the strangest times of the day to throw Intrepid Crossing off balance and attack them outside of their prime time. The last time that Cobalt Edge was invaded was after Intrepid Crossing sought to expand their territory during the Drone Region wars. They had pushed into Oasa but were pushed back by a disapproving Pandemic Legion that threatened to take their region if they did not halt their campaign. In recent times there was a CSAA targetted by CFC and if anything, this should have shown them what was about to come.

The losses currently being incurred in Intrepid Crossing are staggering. Just have a look at their killboard and you can see just how many ships they’re losing. DOTLAN is also showing corporations beginning to jump ship as it becomes clear just how hard Intrepid Crossing is being pushed. Throughout the years, there have been many accusations that Intrepid Crossing has only survived this long simply because of the remoteness of Cobalt Edge or that nobody really wanted it. However, it could be possible that the advance of CFC through the north has now made them the logical target for the next campaign. Intrepid Crossing has been plagued by CFC ‘boredom roams’ in their region for years but this marks the first major invasion of their sovereignty with the intentions of removing them from the region.

After speaking to people within RAZOR, they have claimed that it’s all in the name of ‘gudfites’, which we find hard to believe but if it is true then it has the likelihood to become the first real campaign for RAZOR since the heyday of the Northern Coalition. If, however, RAZOR were to stop short of attempting to remove IRC from Cobalt edge completely, there is nothing to stop them using the stations and systems they’ve flipped as the perfect staging point in which to leisurely roll through the region. Numerous pilots have said that RAZOR will be keeping the systems that they gain so it is a distinct possibility that this is what we’ll see happen. As it stands, this fight is a departure from the norm for the CFC. RAZOR seem to be on the most part going it alone without the backup of the CFC to provide a swift and decisive victory. Is it merely that the CFC isn’t really interested in any more regions so they’re not throwing their weight behind it or has RAZOR decided to strike out on their own and cut the apron strings from Goons.

The next few days will tell.

– Mino Noud

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267 Comments

  1. Cobalt Edge.

    Cobalt Reach is a Fweddit inside joke: http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/08/faction

    December 25, 2012 at 3:17 am Reply
    1. What poetic means is that I had incorrectly labeled the article title as Cobalt Reach. My fault, not the writer's.

      Thanks for that correction. :)

      December 25, 2012 at 4:30 am Reply
    2. Cypherus

      Dunno what is going on with IRC, we go over there kick over there stations, Blap there JB's and towers and shit roam all over the shop and they really do nothing apart from put up token bomber gangs or occasional BC fleets, Props to the guys that form up but what the hell is wrong with your Alliance that they really don't want to defend anything other than maybe Bat phone BL.

      Systems are full of Neutrals running around like Lice and still no one does a thing about them, vast areas of the territory are currently sterile and not being used for anything other than highways for roaming gangs.

      While there has been a lot of so called 'informed' people dictating what Razor are doing over there I have to point out that apart from the fact the IRC have there shingle hung on the door if you knock there is defo no one effectively home right now.

      Rather disappointing if you ask me.

      January 6, 2013 at 7:36 pm Reply
  2. wokyr

    If the CFC come to help them, Solar will do the same, and I don't think either camp want a new full scale war already.
    That's why it's a duel : Razor VS IRC, no one more, each one can test it's own strengh.

    December 25, 2012 at 3:20 am Reply
    1. bystander

      Its only a matter of time before someone bat phones someone for help.
      But if it remains the same as the RA/Gypsy/other allainces vs. all of Solar war went in the beginning, then we could be seeing some good fights.

      Good luck IRC.

      December 25, 2012 at 5:43 am Reply
      1. Goonion

        Dude you are so stupid not to understand there is no one in all of EvE. (Even all of EvE) who could help. To not understand that Goons are in charge of every single system in EvE right now, including low sec, high sec and Worm Hole space is to show you know nothing about this game.

        December 25, 2012 at 11:21 am Reply
        1. isupportthismessage

          You mad bro?

          December 25, 2012 at 1:56 pm Reply
          1. chzy

            I think he mad bru

            December 26, 2012 at 3:54 pm
        2. Bored at Work

          Goon Troopers, generally speaking, are not smart enough to be WH types in my opnion.

          January 3, 2013 at 2:47 am Reply
      2. Truth

        "BatPhoning" funny you say that, LOL where would "RA/Gypsy/other allainces" be without the Batphone to HBC?

        December 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm Reply
    2. There always 1 more guy who can help – NC. But this alliance is currently in conflict against SOLAR and supports RA.

      December 25, 2012 at 6:32 am Reply
      1. Not sure, I wasn't in the leadership thing but when DOT Bros needed IRC to step in and blob the blob, they did not so it is hard to see them coming to save them.

        December 25, 2012 at 6:46 am Reply
        1. tbh IRC did what they could, but it was pain for them to move 2 titan jumps away for every damn op.

          December 25, 2012 at 6:55 am Reply
          1. Mr_Gr3y

            Ever heard of deploying?

            December 25, 2012 at 7:50 am
          2. IRC Grunt

            For what it's worth I wish we did. The only reason we didn't was due to coming out of a 2 month deployment.

            Being blue to solar made things complicated.

            December 25, 2012 at 3:16 pm
          3. Mr_Gr3y

            All your leadership needed to do was ask if the fleet was IRC friendly.

            And besides that, what have SOLAR done for you recently?

            Your members may be unskilled at pvp but it's your leadership choosing to remain neutral that will kill your alliance.

            December 26, 2012 at 6:15 am
          4. former irc grunt

            IRC did what they could? we had 400 members online at times @ massive scale operations from DOTBROS, and IRC managed to field a SUPERIORRRRRRRRRRR amount of 10 dudes. IRC HC is a joke. IRC members are a joke… i'm amazed IRC been able to live for so long.

            IRC not even worth a RIP, please die in a horrible car fire. HC included.

            December 25, 2012 at 10:43 am
      2. Since 03

        Nc. Are like the old guard. If you have them fighting for you then you have always got a chance of doing amazing things regardless of the odds. If not a tippin the edge factor they will certainly inspire on history. Or have cfc already forgotten that Dotbros numbering one goth of cfc spanked 90% of cfc fleets over a 2 month period. It's only really when cfc started to blue all that things started to change for cfc. The strategic objective as they liked to say. Lol

        December 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm Reply
    3. anon

      CFC has already been helping Razor quite extensively. Razor only makes up between 30% and 50% of the fleet attacking IRC for anything short of an SBU shoot. The remaining numbers are Goonswarm, FA, and assorted CFC members. This is hardly a 'duel.'

      Meanwhile, Solar (an IRC ally) is busy getting shafted by NCdot (another IRC 'ally'), plus some other alliances which are also blue to IRC (but not to each other). IRC has plenty of allies; they're just having too much fun down south to give a damn.

      December 25, 2012 at 6:55 am Reply
      1. NC.

        IRCs only chance of survival was to defend all of NC. space. The very day NC. lost their space in the North, ALL the other alliances in the north (In the long run even Goon pets) lost their space. How stupid for you not to have realized this?

        You sound almost as stupid as the alliances in the South not understanding that their only chance to defend their space was to defend Nulli Secundas space in Delve.

        December 25, 2012 at 11:17 am Reply
        1. IRC grunt

          NC reset us after shooting blues. They came with HBC to let us know that help isn't coming.

          Dog piling for the win.

          December 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm Reply
        2. Guy

          So the only way for everyone to be 'saved' is to unconditionally support ncdot and nulli?

          December 25, 2012 at 1:52 pm Reply
          1. Since 03

            Lol only way is to put differences aside and ask for ncdot nulli help as well as useless solar actually helping there allies out aswell. Ncdot/nulli are helping RA ATM but I'm sure they after Christmas are willing to look for more opportunities of fights. It's long past the point of when CFCs advanced could of been stopped from ncdot space. It's te decisions solar forces make over the next few months that is going to decide there fate.

            December 25, 2012 at 2:03 pm
          2. Guy

            So ncdot attacks solar in the xdeath war, then attacks their assets/blues in geminate, then supports hostile alliances in kelvala, then tries to invade them from the south. And now you're expecting them to turn around and help you against the CFC – a coalition that so far hasn't taken any hostile action against them.

            I don't understand.

            December 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm
          3. Truth

            haha We arent supposed to since those guys are "better" than us.

            December 25, 2012 at 3:19 pm
          4. anonymous

            We attacked you in the xdeath war. YOU attacked us in geminate, we showed up for some good fights in kalvela where IRC were the main ones fighting agianst us (something you seem to forget) and now yes we are taking some of your space since there is nowhere else to go. I thought -A- was your ally? well they were invaded by CFC. I thought IRC was your ally and helped you in Kalvela oh wait they are being invaded by the CFC. When Brick Squad inevitably gets invaded by the CFC will you help them?

            December 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm
          5. Since 03

            Guy your a fucktard, nc. Likes gfs and they are not going to blue whole of eve. Even current allies are mostly not blue. As when not on ctas and ops its free fire for more fun. It's hularious to the point that because ncdot previously had gfs against solar wich where credited with solar forces saying gfs in local that solar forces now make such fools of them selves by being pathetic little cunts and whinning about irrelevant history or gfs. Wake up son this is the future now, your going to need to grow up now!

            December 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm
          6. Goonion

            Solar are already dead. We will happily finish them off in our spare time. But how stupid to even be discussing Solar rather than Goons.

            December 25, 2012 at 3:23 pm
      2. Truth

        Just goes to show whats really important for some of these so called "allies" Its a shame IRC made a bad judgement call for helping NC dot whose wallets are fat with Tech and really "dont care" about an entity who helped.

        December 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm Reply
        1. Since 03

          That's bullshit nc. Saved more CSAA, helped Orc more than solar ever has. Infact only things solar has done, has been out of blind greed. If it doesn't fatten their wallets or if its a challenge that is a little to hard solar will not be seen. This was all foreseen, when nc. Space feel was always going to be Irc next then solar pets. Faith in Mactep will doom the solar block. Only way they can change things is if solar finally stands upto cfc and asks for help from nc. Nulli block as should of been done originally. Nc. Nulli are not as pig witted an stubborn and blind to reality as Mactep has been so far. Anything but this and you will be seeing irc and a push into solar regions by cfc within several months tops. Guaranteed!

          December 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm Reply
      3. ehh

        The larger cfc helped Razor with the hb- structure shoot/"fight", but that has been it.

        They didn't really the CFC's help though, IRC was able to pull 200 into fleet as was Razor, but only about 30% of IRC's dudes were flying the right shiptype. In addition to this, IRC's "high command" forced the (actually rather competent) FC to engage in AHACS off station instead of off gate, sealing a simple vcictory for the alphafleet.

        December 25, 2012 at 3:34 pm Reply
    4. Goonion

      Dude are you delude or what? You are already dead.
      I mean you people are so stupid not to understand that Goons can eliminate any region in EvE overnight!
      How stupid can you be to think there is anyone in EvE who can fight us and call it a big war??? What a moron.

      December 25, 2012 at 11:12 am Reply
      1. isupportthismessage

        Goons, just another eve joke.

        December 25, 2012 at 1:55 pm Reply
        1. Goon

          Says the butthurt pubbie who was beaten by Goons.

          December 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm Reply
    5. jandaboy

      on the first fight for the system hb- razor dropped the whole of cfc on wone alliance…so now you are saying razor is alone in this OMG

      December 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm Reply
    6. I just do not know

      Wow that is really an ignorant statement, did I imagine all those CFC members shooting my Zealot in HB?

      December 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm Reply
    7. Polakk

      It's a troll and we love him for it.

      December 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm Reply
    8. Thodoros

      Well said!

      December 25, 2012 at 6:23 pm Reply
    9. nightahwk

      are u kiddin me? only like 50% of the fleets are razor. And pretty much all the supers are cfc not razor

      December 26, 2012 at 8:16 pm Reply
  3. ...

    A quick Glance at The Eve kill for bot alliances tell you how the battle will end up spreading out. Razor over 4K kills for the month, IRC at 1400. While i am in no way suggesting IRC has ever been a Powerhouse or even anything more then "lolIRC". They are at the lowest level of kills in over a year. IRC as a whole has always been regarded as a joke, But Perhaps the current state of things shows more rot then was known?
    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15

    In one of the more recent losses IRC was only able to form up a ~60 man Tier 3 battle cruiser Fleet to Defend one of the best true sec systems in CE, If anything I believe Their back is broken and razor is only poking a corpse. The Corps that fled IRC recently has only really added to an already slow decline of the alliance.

    Five months ago they were around Four thousand members, now sitting around 2700 I'm not sure you can even attribute the recent loss of around 200 members to razor. The rampant corruption in the alliance(Every member of AWECO has an alliance sponcered titan?), The Massive Drone region nerf, An MIA Alliance leader, No alliance Direction. In my mind play a greater roll in IRC's eventual fall then RAZOR can.

    The Only thing that can save IRC from even the most half-hearted invasion is SOLOR and the question is Will solor even come to help? We know that Solor has worked with the goons to fight NC. Recently are they willing to possibly damage diplomatic ties to help a weak link? I believe that even if this is just a 'gudfights' invasion razor will either get bored and go home, or relize they can take the entire region and rent it to someone.

    December 25, 2012 at 3:50 am Reply
    1. nc.

      Irc is frustrating. In our fight for trib they brought 10 dudes max to a fleet, most of which were prolly spies. We went to help defend a csaa of theirs just about when the war ended n they had almost 350 dudes by themselves. If they would of brought that to trib we'd be fighting in deklein righr now. I like irc, but a part of me says fuck them, they are useless.

      December 25, 2012 at 4:47 am Reply
      1. wokyr

        Honestly I'm a bit sad as CFC member ; IRC was always forming a fleet when we went roaming on their territories, it was an easy choice when roaming.
        But with the invasion, there's no one left on CE, and geminate is desert. Had to go to Oasa or the region after that last time to find reds.
        I often joked about IRC being still alive thanks to our spies helping them avoid a collapse, but seems it's done now…
        And we have no choice but to go roam on holidays at the other side of the universe.

        December 25, 2012 at 5:02 am Reply
        1. nc.

          The price of selling your soul.

          December 25, 2012 at 5:09 am Reply
        2. Guy

          I really think CFC would need to reset TEST to get a good campaign going. Geminate and Kevela only have small alliances like Brick and SCdot, which can't realistically form big enough fleets to provide entertainment for the average CFC member.

          December 25, 2012 at 5:13 am Reply
        3. ...

          Love or hate IRC that was what they were known for, Always Forming fleets and fighting. but I guess you cant be the bitch of the galaxy forever. It's also possible that the lack of ISK at the base of IRC from the Drone poo nerf and the Absolute lack of an SRP and any form of EVE's current Top down income. it's Sad but the weak alliances must die for the strong to breed. Where would goons be if IT hadn't broken down?

          December 25, 2012 at 5:21 am Reply
        4. Thelaro

          "And we have no choice but to go roam on holidays at the other side of the universe".

          You (generally speaking) are part of the problem. You (again generally speaking) blue everyone, and then sit here and bitch that you're having trouble finding fights and/or have to roam far to get them.

          You want fights? Shed your blue list. Getting involved with mega coalitions for protection is causing your lack of fights. It's causing you having to jump 30+ jumps (or whatever). This is a problem that your alliance leader has brought upon you.

          As a Black Legion dude, I can tell you we have plenty of targets, and don't have to go more than 3 jumps to find fights. (Sometimes a little more, and sometimes they come to us.). Our blue list is generally small, and only grows when we get hired for something, only to return to red/neutral standings when a job is done.

          Getting involved in mega coalitions I guess could be somewhat fun; you feel powerful cause you have a lot of space protected by a larger entity, but in reality it's a detriment to really finding those good fights and makes you soft.

          My opinion anyways.

          ~Peace and Merry Christmas

          December 25, 2012 at 10:07 am Reply
          1. Truth

            hate to say it but people like "security" thats what makes a nullbear, sheep or whatever you want to call them goto a "megacoalition" that & limited freetime, the I can only log in and help so much, so Im better off here attitude, I have personal friends with this attitude and Im in a small alliance now after being in both cfc and affiltated with throw you under the Bus Test. TBH being in a small aliance has been the best time Ive ever had in Eve so far, Im appreciated , Unlike just being a number for fllets and pushing F1. Its a shame more dont realize this and spread out into smaller grooups.

            December 25, 2012 at 1:51 pm
          2. NullSecHoBo

            Give it some time mate. This sea of blues cannot last. The only question is where the cracks will appear first.

            December 25, 2012 at 8:16 pm
      2. Mr_Gr3y

        It's their terrible leadership.

        December 25, 2012 at 7:57 am Reply
      3. Truth

        Its hard to like someone when they farm you for "Gudfites" and Killmails bro, Game or not it affects peoples opinions of ya.

        December 25, 2012 at 1:44 pm Reply
      4. maid

        this is how the people who do show for ops. in irc feel also, nc. fights were some of the best fun i've had in eve though

        December 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm Reply
      5. MrSmith

        The problem with the war in Tribute/Vale is IRC HC did not want to deploy since IRC was just coming off the Banana Island Campaign (Kalevala) and didn't want pilots getting burnt out. While many of IRC's CEOs and Directors pushed for full deployment, including myself, HC wasn't having it.

        December 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm Reply
        1. ...

          While a Full deployment might have helped shore up NC.'s weak time zones it wouldn't have turned the tide. I've my doubts as to wiether or not it would even have slowed it, with the promise of actual fights it may have drawn more goons into the fight instead of bawking at another day of structure grinding. Also as you said IRC had just come off of another deployment with the absolute lack of an SRP Is it possible that the line pilots even had the ships to go straight into another fight?

          It's the same line everyone has read about every alliance in the game the 'High command' (read Aweco) have bleed the alliance for years and now are unable and/or unwilling to use the isk to save their region. anyone else remember when Cobalt edge was pumping out supers daily? They forced the members to sell drone poo to Aweco at 45% Jita value for the minerals then turned around at sold supers at mineral cost. I find it hard to believe that Sov cost(1) was so high that they broke even. Also there was supposed to be a manditory requirement for Corps that they had to have X % of pilots active in CTA fleets, but rumors had it that a corps could opt out of this with a sum on isk on top of their sov bill.(2). I remember at one point IRC giving a titan(rag) to one of the CEO's to bribe him into not leaving the alliance with his corp(Read Cosmoboy and GLD).

          Perhaps i have some bias but i want to see CE burn and watch IRC fall apart. On one side it's sad because it really is the only large NA TZ alliance left but on the other, greed and apathy brought them down.

          1- IRC made the corps pay sov cost + an 'alliance dues' system Most corps owning 1-2 systems with the larger ones controlling 3-4 aweco taking the rest, and remember during this time Solor controled two full constilations, so the sov bill was smaller then they will possibly make out.

          2- http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/BlackWatch_Industr… one of the largest corps in the alliance only managing 200 kills? over half of those by a single pilot?

          December 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm Reply
          1. Since 03

            Dotbros were hammering cfc for two plus months of the war, the tide could of been turned the. With more numbers. There was never a more inspiring time to joint the fight as some did. Infact cfc if you rightfully remembered blue allied for the last month and a half of the war wich is when dotbros really needed the numbers to conte d with the huge mass blob that cfc would only fight with when it was 5 to 1 odds in their favour. Do not speak to the worthy about it wouldn't of turned the tide. These are pathetic words of a lesser person. Cfc were shown to be weak and vulnerable by a small entity. Now tell me are excuses all your going to come up with?

            December 25, 2012 at 6:57 pm
          2. ...

            Ask yourself this, If IRC had come, and BL. had still left would you have won? Would IRC's presence shore up the 'dotbros'? Would IRC have fought aginst Solor With the 'Dotbros'? NC. Got fucked by nearly everyone they knew. wiether or not this was some goondom spy master stroke or some internal conflict is another matter. I think that even remotely believing IRC would have been anything but a embarisment to the 'dotbros' is just insane. behond insane really. Also if memory serves the last time IRC went to Tribute didn't they spend two full months camping the taisy gate in m-o?

            December 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm
          3. Since 03

            BL. Have a handful of members that are relivant. Numbers was the only reason dotbros couldn't capitalise on the inspirational fights they had going for them. Many old friends and old duelling partners came due to inspirational fights. Doubt there's a soul who fought for dotbros that didn't learn a lot aswell as being proud of their achievements. Wielding forces such as ncdot/nulli/BL and many more entities was a great experience for those budding pvp'rs out there. The few stood against the many and made them look like the fools they are for months on end. Yes numbers would of turned that tide. You bring a simple chap that has little Pvp experience and at the end of the dotbros war irc members/ nulli/ retirement club irc many more were proud to be fighting against the blob and achieved what they had. They all learned a lot from the experience of fighting with such forces, wich proves that with the right group of people you can turn a common man into a knight if you like 😉

            December 25, 2012 at 7:44 pm
          4. ...

            IRC didn't learn shit when fighting the old Northern Col. They didn't learn when they joined PL in going after goons the first time. They didn't learn when they fought for tenal. NC. some sort of super special teachers?

            IF Irc had joined, it would have been in the wrong timezone, How long would IRC and NC. be willing to Alarmclock ops before one or the other gave up?

            NC. Fought the good fight, aginst two Massive eve 'super powers' at once No one can deny that. Blaming IRC for the lose tho just makes you look pathetic. Take pride in your defiance but dont try to justify the lose by theroycrafting victories that never came

            December 25, 2012 at 8:09 pm
          5. nc.

            Nah i think ur taking it a bit farther than we, well i at least, mean it. Irc not bringing numbers isn't THE reason we lost, just saying that if they would of brought the peeps, things could/would of been different. But like i said before it's a moot point. It was an awesome war that didn't go our way, but we persevere 😉

            December 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm
          6. I just do not know

            An IRC Dot bro veteran here, I was in the AU TZ fleets, we had a good number from the AU TZ in fleets, but IRC was a US TZ dominated alliance, NCDOT was blue balling the CFC in the US and EU TZ. The simple fact is that had IRC turned up with 150 people in the US TZ all they would have done is get whelped and give fun to the CFC. It may be that at some point the full deployment could have happened, but as NCDOT was focussed on the AU TZ only to slow down the CFC it was never going to happen.

            December 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm
          7. Thodoros

            NC. never had us outnumber in EU timezone.
            And when in US timezone the numbers were about even, thats why NC. were timing the towers on AZ timers and did most of their RF in ours.

            December 25, 2012 at 8:06 pm
          8. I just do not know

            I never said that NC. had you outnumbered in the EU TZ, wierd!!!!

            December 26, 2012 at 4:49 pm
          9. Thodoros

            @ I just do not know;

            NCDOT was blue balling the CFC in the US and EU TZ. The simple fact is that had IRC turned up with 150 people in the US TZ all they would have done is get whelped and give fun to the CFC.

            This are Your words i have copy/paste from the above post.
            And the CFC/Razor fleets were dominat in EU timezone during the Tribute campaign and we had lots of operations and NC. has hardly ever gave us fight.
            Yes we have welp Caps/Supers but that was pilot mistakes and still that did nothing to to stop us in the end.
            On topic i can understand why IRC are afraid that the CFC will show up to back us up but thats not the case as the IRC themselves will tell you that is Razor fleets that roaming the CE space.

            December 28, 2012 at 10:46 am
          10. nc.

            200 dudes would of turned the tide without a doubt, we had the war at a stalemate for a long time, the extra guys irc coulda brought, granted baddies, but the extra dudes would of changed things. No doubt about it.

            December 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm
          11. ...

            Streched the alliance to it's limit to form a fleet of over 100 to defend a CSAA in CE it's pure Lunacy to think that NC. would have gotten more then 50 members from irc. they would have been in the wrong time zone, and then just have gotten whelped. Dont get me wrong i'm no fan of goons but seriously if you think IRC Could have saved Vale/tribute your sadly mistaken

            December 25, 2012 at 7:17 pm
          12. nc.

            No irc themselves couldn't save anything, but u throw an extra couple hundred guys in a dotbros fc'd fleet n magics gonna happen. Lions leading the lambs n wat not. N in response to ur comment above, if we wouldnt of lost twinkie at the same time we lost elo we wouldnt of been as fucked as we were. But we did, so we were. N no the extra dudes wouldnt of mattered at that point. But either way it's a moot point

            December 25, 2012 at 7:35 pm
          13. ...

            I agree, really i do, With proper FC's, the proper ships, and numbers everything would have turned out differantly, the point i'm trying to make is that it wouldn't have happened. IRC is mostly a USTZ alliance and NC. wern't engaging the massive blobs in that TZ. If IRC had Joined from Day 1 everything would have been differant assuming they managed to hold together under goons cloaky camping CE. but as i keep saying IRC battles on the wallets of it's members. and with that members are less likely to join fleets time and time again when they keep losing ships.

            December 25, 2012 at 8:03 pm
          14. nc.

            Well tbf, it wasnt the blob that we couldnt fight in the us rz, it was their giant slowcat fleet. We really didn't have a problem dealing with cfc subs, most the time anyway.

            December 25, 2012 at 9:07 pm
          15. MrSmith

            As a director of a corp currently in IRC, I can tell you for certain that we pay no alliance dues, just the SOV costs.
            Back when we had Drone poo, you weren't required to sell to AWECO. You could sell the alloys to AWE, or refine at an alliance refinery, and do whatever you wanted with the minerals.

            December 26, 2012 at 4:01 pm
          16. I just do not know

            Actually its more than the sov costs.

            December 26, 2012 at 4:50 pm
          17. ...

            It's not too hard to find out, go see what upgrades your ihubs have, they tell you the price right there, then see how much you pay the alliance. the numbers aren't even close to matching

            December 26, 2012 at 5:35 pm
          18. lolrenters

            Irc corps pay rent to AWECO like renters. The amount is based on sec status, number of belts, etc. It's fucking funny.

            January 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm
      6. Zor

        A year ago in the summer of 2011 several alliances tried to come to Deklein. It ended up with them creeping back to under the stones from whence they came while their supercap fleet was rapecaged in a pos in VFK. Don´t remember how many there were but dozens. It took CFC 2-3 days to utterly beat the inading forces in Deklein. Among the alliances attacking were Raiden and PL. Have forgotten who the others were but they were all beaten.

        So stock up with ships and ammo and try to do it. Don´t just smacktalk with teary eyes little dotbro.

        December 26, 2012 at 12:00 am Reply
        1. ...

          Raiden, PL, NC., WN. IRC. Also noteworthy this was all before the 'CFC' was formed. Now as for the story of the bubbling the entire fleet this is the first i've heard of that and wouldn't be surprised if it's just simply untrue Keeping in mind that most of these Alliances held sov with in a few jumps of Deklin it was easier to just jump home then leaving supers close to the enemy. Now it is true that Goons withstood the assualt, but it took about two weeks before the already war weary alliances gave up. Remember this was just the 'locals' and PL assaulting as well not the entire DRF Lowering the overall numbers that could be thrown at the Goons at that point in time no one could stand up to the overwhelming force of the DRF's supercaps

          December 26, 2012 at 12:34 am Reply
  4. RA pilot

    Solar is on the verge of being evicted themselves, so don't think they will be able to help IRC much

    December 25, 2012 at 4:43 am Reply
    1. Guy

      They've been on the verge of getting evicted for a few months now.

      December 25, 2012 at 5:00 am Reply
    2. Mr_Gr3y

      http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15

      Don't count your eggs before they hatch friend.

      December 25, 2012 at 8:08 am Reply
      1. Goonion

        No one cares about Solar.

        December 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm Reply
        1. isupportthismessage

          No one cares about goons.

          December 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm Reply
      2. o.O

        Why would you count eggs after they hatch?

        Are they not irrelevant at that point?

        December 25, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
        1. Mr_Gr3y

          Are you actually this retarded?

          December 26, 2012 at 2:14 am Reply
          1. Lnaw Best Naw

            He was making a joke because the saying is "dont count your chickens before they hatch" you moron..

            December 26, 2012 at 3:29 am
          2. Mr_Gr3y

            Ermagerd, sorry made the original post at 3am.

            Confirming I am retarded.

            December 26, 2012 at 5:25 am
    3. R A S T Elighten

      RA should know how that feels, its happened to you guys a few times…

      December 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm Reply
      1. Mr_Gr3y

        RA are worse than IRC imo

        December 26, 2012 at 6:21 am Reply
    4. Zombies can talk

      So the corpse does speak, without any of the help you've gotten from Nulli, Ink, PL,Oh ya and Test the occasional NC dot help, Tell us where would you be? Funny Test helps you but declared old Northen coalition was done with a vote of No Confidence, Test will have its own issues if the Sheep ever think for thereselves and realize what treachery can come from within.

      December 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm Reply
      1. Since 03

        How do you measure help and fairness. 1 eve is not a fair place, get used to it. 2 solar has many pets wich outnumber NCC easily without any outsider help. So tell me scrub what is stopping you from saying we only won such and such a fight due to have solar and all of there pets there or if we did not have many more numbers than them in certain fights we would not have won. These are the same irrelevant shite you are saying Zombies can talk!

        December 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm Reply
  5. Somora

    How anyone considers takeing systems or stations as just looking for gudfites is beyond me. How anyone can look at this and not think WELP more Regions falling to the CFC. Just think guys befor long well all be paying taxes to Mittens if we want to live in null.

    December 25, 2012 at 4:51 am Reply
    1. And to think, by the time everyone puts their collective heads together and actually join forces to stop them, it'll be far too late. Something needs to be done about it now or as soon as, but as usual bad blood between various alliances mean it won't happen. If memory serves me right the DRF managed to do it, so why can't anybody else?

      December 25, 2012 at 2:15 pm Reply
      1. Truth

        Ego's, is part of the problem, distrust Im sure, Mittens is winning due to these things, anyone who has ever dealt with a lawyer would know any lawyer worth his salt can manipulate like nobody's business. Id take Nulli if thye'd come over, I was disapoint when they went the direction they did go, Red Alliance Im not sure what there deal is. Who lead DRF? What was the galvanizing factor there? Hopefully something will change before its to late if it isnt allready.
        The Mega Coalitions are ruining Null Sec, we need another DRF coalition to handle this desperately.

        December 25, 2012 at 3:33 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          Our ego isn't the problem. Mactep is too proud or too stupid to put past differences aside. I have said this before and I stand by it, if solar came to us saying look we are going to go shoot the cfc I guarantee we would join in a second to help.

          On distrust I am not sure what I can it depends on what you don't trust us to do. Iirc UaxDeath led the drf and they were a coalition for a long time (solar,RA,xdeath) until xdeath got greedy and tried to get rid of Solar.

          December 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm Reply
          1. And look what happened to xdeath then…

            Judging from all the comments on any CFC-related article and in particular this one, it seems that the will to make something like this happen is there, all it takes is to put aside past differences to make it happen.

            I can't quite imagine a coalition with Solar, N3(assuming that coalition is still alive), -A-, IRC, Bricks, hell let's throw CVA/Holders into the mix… but if such a force were to assemble and organise a multiple-pronged attack, then can you say VFK by next Christmas?

            To the 0.0 guys who read this: stop talking about "we'll do it if they'll come and ask", pull your heads out of your asses and just get on with it. The first person to swallow their pride and put their hat into the ring will be the ones credited with coming up with the idea of saving 0.0, so I challenge you now, be the first person to commit to this. Be the better group of players, rise above any petty misgivings you may have and unite for the greater good of the game. Because fuck me if it doesn't happen soon then it'll be you here crying about how there's nothing to do in the game other than join CFC or live in NPC 0.0. Do you want that to happen? Okay, well come live in Empire with me. No? How about you go fuck shit up in Amamake, Old Man Star, Tama? No? Those are pretty much your choices.

            In effect you've got two choices. Put up with it, or fight. I know which choice I'd make. If you're just a grunt in your alliance, make your feelings known to a leader, let him know how you all feel. A united alliance is a motivated alliance, and a motivated alliance is one you don't fuck with. So get the fuck on with it and fight already, save 0.0 and Eve itself.

            December 25, 2012 at 6:05 pm
        2. BntyHunter

          DRF came about when all of Eve was sick of the NC and its hoarding Tec…Im just hoping the same happens to CFC as they are doing the exact same thing, making Tec the highest it possibly can before its not worth it due to alchemy.

          They are the Tec syndicate, when NCDOT had some and Evoke and Brick and Solar it was competitive, but it wont be anymore they own all of it.

          December 26, 2012 at 3:55 am Reply
          1. Guy

            Brick never held any tech until very recently and even now I doubt they'd have more than 2 or 3 moons.

            December 26, 2012 at 4:15 am
          2. BntyHunter

            That is correct, my error they owned 3. Eitherway the Tec was broken up into multi factions and now is controlled wholly by one, with a dash of Gem being with SOLAR.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    2. abc123

      Cry Cry Cry Cry – Goons This – NCdot That – Pandamic Legion Why – And every other 900 lbs. Alliance that comes and goes. Ten year of the same space – the same losers – the same stories. One only pays when one can not see no further that what they can touch.

      Look to yourself – look in your voice comms – look to your corporation. Kill what you can and call it a day. If you keep on look outside of what you can control then you will never be anything. Be like the other ten thousand band waggon players and join GOON or Test Or what ever Blob alliance so you can feel good about yourself for being a puppet – follow the anchor ship – and pressing F1 and hoping you dont get call as primary by the other blob and insta popped.

      December 26, 2012 at 4:17 am Reply
  6. lyc

    Dont worry! only deploying for good fights! anyone as claims structure grinds Arent exciting have been lying over the years!

    December 25, 2012 at 5:19 am Reply
    1. niko

      I like grinding structures. Some ppl like mining… and that is something I can't understand. We are all unique in our own special way….

      And it was never a plan to invade. RZR does not want or need more than Tenal. It was a way to get nice fights… Not anymore. IRC is just using long range t3s and bombers and their numbers are bad and falling. So I guess it changed to an invasion as a punishment for being .. less than we expected them to be.

      December 25, 2012 at 5:40 am Reply
      1. Mr_Gr3y

        T3 and bomber fleets aren't just formed up out of thin air, they're in retaliation to something, obviously an increased showing of force from the CFC.

        IRC are famous for bringing fights despite the odds, can the bitter husk that is Razor say the same?

        December 25, 2012 at 7:54 am Reply
        1. niko

          Check KBs first and then "presume". I haven't been in a common CFC fleet for the past 1 week. Maybe is just me and my TZ, but my TZ is RZR weakest so I kind of doubt we are asking for assistance in our stronger TZs.

          December 25, 2012 at 10:31 pm Reply
          1. Mr_Gr3y

            I never said that you've asked for help, I'm just saying it's there.

            December 26, 2012 at 6:19 am
  7. Iwasthere

    it was only for good fights in delve too.. Until some1 looses a titan.

    December 25, 2012 at 6:49 am Reply
  8. BntyHunter

    CFC, one more reason to invade and take all the north and give it away to more Pets/Allie`s

    Say what you want about HBC, but at least they dont make up excuses for why they took there new conquered land.

    Razor now doesnt wipe there Ass without GSF approval, so this was definately bleesed by GSF.

    Also now IRC+the entire block of guys like Nulli etc will see if SOLAR will finally stand up to CFC or if they will let them roll there besties….Maybe Solar will grow a pair and NCDOT+Nulli will join the CFC fight again like it shoud have been in round one.

    Also IRC really did have like10-15 guys tops and even with a steady 60 T3 BC`s that is as much as BL brought and could have changed the war a lot.

    Now GSF/CFC is nocking on SOLARS door and even though they promised to stay out of Ruski buisness, the retard MACTEP allowed his biggest threat to move in right nexy door and they are hungry for the rest of the northern moons….50 more is about 60 bil a month. But more than that a total dominance of all Eve`s Tech, they can raise Tec prices as a whike to literally the point it costs to make ec through Alchemy to the penny and Tec might go from 12 to 15…..Highest of all time.

    God we few really need to put our shit behind us and band together…..GSF/CFC is everyones enemy, hell even HBC`s IMO.

    December 25, 2012 at 8:38 am Reply
    1. dead= good drake

      irc grunt solar been getting attack for month in war and you did nothing too help you failed too turn up on any timer in the last 2-4 months c-j 1v and all them other system fall and you failed during the drone region war so i don't think solar co will turn too defend your space for you when you will not help your allies

      December 25, 2012 at 8:47 am Reply
      1. bl dude

        irc spent its time keeping the north safe for solar so they don't get back door-ed by anyone, and they did that well for years, even preventing NC from gaining a second beach head during the second drone war. HB- would not have fallen if it wasn't for the fact that CFC brought a 900man fleet to take it, IRC had around 500 at the time. After that fight, most in IRC knew it was over as you can't really fight the CFC and win without real allies and solar only shows up at the last minute when all the real damage has been done already, just like the first 3 times Razor and friends tried to take cobalt. I don't see that happening this time, Razor/CFC will take cobalt and that will be used to kick solar out of dronelands for good.

        Solar's blindness to helping IRC these past few years will be their down fall. If solar would have been smart and helped IRC/NC. during the CFC invasion of tenal and tribute then IRC would have been able to help with fighting RA and pets. But the lack of long term planning by Solar ever since they came to Dronelands is rather sad.

        I don't know why IRC has been so loyal to solar, if irc was smart they would have joined the CFC along time ago!

        December 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm Reply
        1. Bl just mercs

          Are you legit retarded? IRC sat on the fence having both Ncdot and solar blue during the fighting in germinate. Not to mention irc sat on the fence before that fight with the whole drf vs solar. Irc only care for themselves and who can better protect them from goons, they are by far not a loyal ally. As for solar and her coalition we now find our selves fighting both goons and now test, if you think solar actions are the reason for this then you could be right to a point but just look at Vince and Ncdot actions they alienated all their allies, nulli switch slides more than irc lol and you have a pissed off gypsy band / red alliance coalition because mactep refused to go back on his word/ ddeal. Eve is dying only a matter of time till the goon blue fest own all of 0.0

          December 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm Reply
          1. NullSecHoBo

            Yeah I'm finding these after-the-death attributions of valor to IRC hilarious..

            December 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm
          2. BntyHunter

            You are the legit retard.

            SOLAR chose CFC over anything else in the Tribute wars and in doing so added 10k Troops right on the Boarder of Geminate…..Why do you think they did that?

            They made a promise to Xdeath to get back the Dronelands, and they will. SOLAR is getting gangbanged by CFC who they helped Evict the one group of guys who were willing to even Temp blue to fight them……MACTEP is full retard, he allowed a group who just fought you guys`s ships and moved them out for a group who only see`s taking SOV as any sort of victory at all.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:52 pm
          3. Get

            Any sane person understands that SOLAR had never "chose CFC". Otherwise they would not limit their activities by Geminate only. Especially funny to hear such accusations from a then CFC, now HBC pets.

            December 31, 2012 at 12:11 pm
          4. BntyHunter

            Thats funny, I swear I have a ton of Videos with us fighting you and CFC, also you made channels with SOLAR+CFC I was in one of them. Also we got mails saying "Our Solar Allies are forming up"

            You were CFC`s Allie in Tribute war, you are insane/delusional if you deny that. If you keep denying it I`ll have to dig up all the battles again where you teamed up.

            Also how were we CFC pets and fighting them?

            And how are we HBC killing them off as well? We have killed more HBC to date than SOLAR+AAA Daily…..Here is yesterdays only.
            http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&ahttp://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&a

            These happen 3-4x a day……So there goes your stupid ass pet theory, maybe you should stop believing what you hear and use your own eye`s and mind

            December 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm
        2. NullSecHoBo

          Dude.. do you even play eve? "Kept the north safe"? Do you have any idea how much effort it is to get to CE from anywhere in the north? The only reason that part was not messed with was cause it's such a damn strategic pain to get to, and also, it absolutely didn't matter in the anti-NC./Raiden campaign.

          December 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm Reply
        3. BntyHunter

          I have feelings both ways as to IRC.

          I like the dudes no matter what. I do wish they would have acted up a lot more and put a lot of pressure on SOLAR to drop its pride, and forget the past to face its way more pressing enemy.

          NCDOT+BL+Nulli+a Full IRC effort would have been way different than there 20 men they used to send, who BTW I loved.

          But with the 200 Men IRC could and should have fielded it might have changed the war in a major way. Just like If Evoke would have stopped fighting SOLAR and helped us in Tribute.

          I think SOLAR needed IRC a lot more than IRC needed SOLAR if NCDOT was really trying to map SOLAR.

          At the point SOLAR chose GSF, Gypsies left and stated it was because the helping of GSF was a horrible leadership decsion, if at that point IRC would have stepped up and said we are going to nuetral as well unless you help us stop these invaders who have been attacking us for our ENTIRE EXISTENCE, SOLAR might have chose the right side and Tribute would firmly be in hands of NCDOT+Evoke+Nulli+BL and we would have marched north and taken more Tech than Mactep could Bot in a year.

          But instead Solar dipped its foot in both ponds, and towards the end, when GSF+Solar where working together in 8/10 fights IRC was 80% useless. Now that they get invaded, where is SOLAR? This entire time IRC was like Vlad the impaler holding off the Turks so that all of the Catholics wouldn`t get over run, and how much credit did he get? Who helped him when he was finally over run?

          IRC should have, was so scared to lose there SOV that they didnt earn the allegiance to NCDOT that Nulli did, so now that Nulli needs us who do we help? The guys who sent 30 men don and fought 10 at a time and sent emails saying we are only helping NC. because GSF is and will always be our biggest threat? Or the guys who bled with us everynight matching our numbers and fighting even after BL left?

          SOLAR has left you because they will be beaten if they leave IMO. But you can thank them for allying with CFC against us and taking you out of the fight, while still getting blown up by CFC….Think about that guys Solar told you to be good buddies dont get in our way to fight NCDOT but at the same time you still were getting attacked by CFC, so obviously they didnt arrange for you to get safe passage from Goons.

          Xdeath were backstabbers, but IMO they were honest about it lol. Mactep had an opportunity to help all his allies, expand and even take over an entire corner of the map, that is the most valuble all while, protecting its smaller entities and he chose to side with the safe short term bet…..Well guess what GSF doesnt give a shit if you helped fight us, they dont care 1 bit, they will make there excuse needed and you MACTEP WILL BE SPEAKING IN A XDEATH REGION WITH NO ALLIANCE LEFT and at best a alliance like Red who is 1/8th of its former power.

          They needed to step up and really pressure him but they were afraid of losing SOV, and in that huge Carebear need lost it because of that very reason. I feel bad for them, but at the same time we pleaded for them to tell SOLAR to put up the white flag and fight Xdeaths new masters GSF and we both would have gained tons and tons of power and ISK in Eve, instead you helped the very body who will come for you as soon as they finish off your little brothers IRC.

          December 26, 2012 at 3:32 am Reply
          1. I just do not know

            At the start of the war against the Goons, Vince had a meeting to discuss the coming war against the Goons, during it someone said what about IRC, to which this guy said he would go there in 30 AF and beat them, not realising that the question was about IRC coming to help. Vince was embarrassed by it, but did not slap him down. Many IRC people listened to that meeting, I guess you can put a lot of blame on that person for really making a lot of people think no way, it certainly delayed me deploying. I would love to know who that jerk was, because I would go hunt him…

            December 26, 2012 at 8:35 am
          2. Random BL duder.

            Don't feel bad. IRC helped plenty in the war for Tribute. You guys might not have been many, but it was always appreciated when you showed up for fleets and we understood that you had issues w/ blues. Solar helped you guys a fair amount previously and it was admirable that IRC didn't immediately backstab them and join us in fights against Solar. There are a ton of good grunts in IRC, stick with it because a lot of us are rooting for you guys.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:50 am
          3. I just do not know

            Thank you, I enjoyed flying with Black Legion a lot, my first fleet in IRC was actually under Elo Knight at a successful CSAA defence, I killed a lot of CFC and was a very happy bunny!

            December 26, 2012 at 11:05 am
          4. BntyHunter

            I didnt try to make them feel bad. Wasnt my intent. I was simply explaining why.

            I like IRC and tried to make it clear im rooting for them, but IMO they did make alot of leadership error, not the 30 dudes who fought they were very brave and selfless to come help, away from home not making income etc etc.

            But IMO if they would have stepped up to SOLAR then they would have averted this war now.

            And @ the post from I just
            Thats Elo`s true strength, where he is brilliant, bringing together tons of forces who normally wouldnt operate well and make them feel like a team, Im sad he`s a hired gun in some ways, but we all have to get paid for what we are good at I suppose.

            And Just do not know.
            Thanks for your help in Tribute, even though it was against just a big as threat as you guys I enjoyed IRC guys as well, like I said if they ever came to try and join NCDOT I would vouch them in a Second.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:38 pm
          5. BntyHunter

            I want to hear it…..Do you know where I can find the recording?

            I`m sorry if that prick ruined it, I hate that shit. Honestly man. NCDOT guys as a whole really did love flying with you guys, some of us old bittervets can come off as pricks, esp FC`s like Twinkey etc, we just understand they are douche`s who mean well :)

            That being said I would really like to hear it, so that in the future we can shut stupid fucks up like them and they dont spoil relations because of one idiots thoughts.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:43 pm
        4. xxxxx

          Its really simple. IRC have shown over the years they are enemies of Razor. Razor, seeing weakness in IRC, is pushing IRC away from Razor space. Razor gives no fucks who takes Cobalt Edge after Razor is done with IRC.

          December 26, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            You mean Razor will be given orders who takes there space by Goons, and if they dont they wont be fed anymore Tec like good pets.

            Xdeath will surely take it then when Xdeath suddenly starts killing SOLAR from behind, this whole "We are letting Ruski`s work out there own problems" will end very fast, and mittens will say "We have to support Xdeath right or wrong because thats how loyal we are"

            Mittens is pulling all these strings, people in CFC dont shit/Jack Off without his approval.

            December 26, 2012 at 9:35 pm
          2. hyes24

            lol IRC have shown??? seriously dude get a reality check.. IRC has been farmed since the day they first set foot in CE by the then NC and now CFC…

            You forget that w/e irc has done was to ensure it's survival…if that means pressuring razor in order to take some pressure of NC. then ya… but w/e. there're so many ppl here that talk without actually knowing jack shit about irc… guess that's en24

            January 1, 2013 at 8:58 am
    2. anon

      Good thing T1 hulls got more useful. There's still modules to consider though.

      Simple fix to a lot of this. BREAK MOON MINING. NO MORE PASSIVE ISK.

      We got RMT police. We got BOT police. Now we need 'free isk' police, ripping shut the zipper on the wee-wee of these guys funneling MOUNTAINS of isk into their pockets monthly.

      December 26, 2012 at 5:53 am Reply
    3. blah blah blah

      Same shit different post

      December 26, 2012 at 6:17 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Yes I forgot your inspiring true posts…..Oh wait your anom and no one cares.

        December 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm Reply
        1. Luvtohearmyself

          I swear you are cutting and pasting these from past articles.

          December 27, 2012 at 7:15 pm Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Pasting what?

            Also why do the Goon guys who have been on here as long as any of us not get accounts? Its very easy.

            You dont want your past to stick around?

            December 27, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    4. Bittervet

      "God we few really need to put our shit behind us and band together…..GSF/CFC is everyones enemy, hell even HBC`s IMO."

      Well, why arent you in Cobalt Edge helping IRC stay alive ? Why arent you there, showing the flag, seeing who is still fighting and recording their names so you can give them a couch to crash on and a chance at revenge ?

      Thats right. Its because you and your entire alliance are jumping-into-Amanake-in-an0untanked-hauler level inept at diplomacy.

      December 26, 2012 at 12:27 pm Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Because we are down with Nulli, IRC had a chance, its sad enough to say, I dont need to write names down I know what 30 guys came to help us in Tribute, and the second they need anywhere to go its theres, I will vouch them in a second.

        IRC reminds me off what the Germans said about the English in WW1 after they watched in horror and secretly prayed for there own enemies to stop rushing there machine gun posts in open fields. The German Generals sat in horror as they watched an entire generation of young Brits rush over and over……

        "Never in the history of man have so many great Lions been led by so many Lambs"

        Reminds me of IRC, they are so meek and mild and will not act that they get caught in the middle very often.

        BTW my Alliance is still kicking asses, IMO its the wrong ones but then again SOLAR did join in to GSF`s fun when they had there chance. Maybe if they land gets taken and they lose all we can have a new Block of 15-20k people who is fearless enough to fight Goons.

        December 26, 2012 at 9:31 pm Reply
  9. IRC Grunt

    Solar will not come to help they have already said that much.
    We curently have 0 allies after NC. And Nulli were set blue only to shoot us in our staging system.
    Every retart that thinks that our kb is bad needs to realise that we are blueballing and simply not engaging when we cannot form a fleet that is a proper counter.
    Yes IRC is falling several of the major pvp corps have already left and i bet that there are more to come.
    I personally think that this is manlt due to 0 comunicaItions from HC and the fact that we have both solar and NC. Blue. Solar did not like us helping nc. In tenal which might be a contributing reason foor them not coming to help.

    Ps. On the tenal campaighn we regulary brought 50+ guys while nc. Was in their low time.

    December 25, 2012 at 9:41 am Reply
    1. EvePredictor

      Dont worry – Solar are the next guys to be kicked out of 0.0 – they have show their greed and shown they dont help their allies – nobody will help them when they see who is coming to kick them out – nice one Solar for being greedy and selfish – you will fall !!

      December 25, 2012 at 10:32 am Reply
      1. NC.

        Solar's only chance of survival was to blue and fight with NC. and Nulli, they lost their space the day they chose not to do that.

        December 25, 2012 at 11:23 am Reply
        1. Mr_Gr3y

          You've hardly been wiping the floor with them moight.

          December 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm Reply
          1. M1k3y

            From what I've heard, the plan is to invade up to Insmother and stop there.
            Could be wrong though.

            December 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm
          2. zef

            insmother and cache is what i heard

            December 25, 2012 at 10:17 pm
      2. almost sounds like SOLAR is the new -A- you know, not helping blues, in the progres of losing their sov.

        December 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm Reply
    2. FuG Goons!

      Welp if E-BYOS is taken then you know it is all over!

      December 25, 2012 at 7:18 pm Reply
  10. Goonion

    I told you Cobalt fools that we were coming to get you. But did you listen? When Goonion tells you on EvE news you are dead you had better believe it. We are currently unrivaled in EvE even our most incompetent pets can take a region. I can tell you exactly who we are going to attack on EvE news and when long before we even do it! AND WHY????? Because there is nothing any of you can do about i!

    Test and Pandemic Losers, I am telling you now, you are in big trouble. :)

    December 25, 2012 at 11:09 am Reply
    1. Goon 4 Eva

      As always Goonion says it like it is.
      It's a shame we have no competition but its gona be fun explaining/showing to all the stupid people that we are in control of them, their system and their alliance, not in control next week or next month but right now, today.
      Especially there will be some people in high/low sec or worm holes that driving this message to will be particularly fun, as they think then can hid from our influence but will will show them and show them hard.

      December 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm Reply
      1. isupportthismessage

        "It's a shame we have no competition [because we blob the hell out of everything so no one wants to fight] but its gona be fun explaining/showing [and blobbing] to all the stupid people that we are [not] in control of them, their system and their alliance, not in control next week or next month but [not] right now, today [or ever].
        Especially there will [not] be some people in high/low sec or worm holes that driving this message to will be particularly fun, as they think then can hid[e] from our influence but will will show them and show them hard [how much we don't matter]."

        -Fixed it for you.

        December 25, 2012 at 2:02 pm Reply
        1. Goon

          What's wrong with blobbing?

          December 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm Reply
          1. Zor

            If I jump through a gate in lo sec nul sec and there is a gatecamp on the other side with 15 guys am I being blobbed? Or do the gatecampers flip a coin who will engage me 1 vs 1 while the others watch? If you want to do a job like purging a region from NC.dot you just bring in whatever it takes to get it done.

            December 26, 2012 at 12:14 am
      2. EvE

        I doubt Test and Pl will defend themselves when the war starts as obviously they cant win. They will just go back to high sec and no fights for anyone.

        December 25, 2012 at 4:56 pm Reply
        1. Since 03

          You want a bet. If cfc starts a war vs HBC you watch how many will come and support the lesser evil to get rid of the cfc abomination, you watch 😉

          December 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm Reply
      3. -=-

        Which is why a Goon corp got evicted from their C6 system by other native C6 alliances that laugh at your "superiority"…

        December 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm Reply
    2. isupportthismessage

      "I am telling you now, you are in big trouble [I am telling the FC]"

      December 25, 2012 at 1:58 pm Reply
    3. Up is down

      Wow. The Big Lie mechanism in practice.

      December 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm Reply
    4. Thodoros

      LOL
      Good try though!
      When you tell me the lottery numbers then i will believe you.

      December 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm Reply
    5. IRC Grunt

      I soo hope you go for hbc soon and get every fucking cfc hating alliance in eve to side with them.
      It is gonna be a massive slugfest so big that even your noob drake fleet will be outgunned by ours.
      I know of tonns of highsec bears who will come, even more lowsec guys, and a literal fuckton of 0.0 guys that will be having somuch fun that it cannot be believed. All it needs is a alliance that can stand uptoo cfc for a while and invites everyone and their mother to come and shoot shit.
      With a bit of luck N3 will have gotten rid of solar by then and this will be the only decent fight to be had.

      December 26, 2012 at 12:53 am Reply
      1. blah blah blah

        Wow dude……just wow

        December 26, 2012 at 6:35 am Reply
  11. San Taclause

    Boxing day sale in cobalt edge….everything must go!!!

    December 25, 2012 at 11:51 am Reply
    1. I just do not know

      Actually no, my PvP assets are going to be used fighting, when they are gone so am I…

      December 26, 2012 at 4:58 pm Reply
  12. Since 03

    Again Mactep gives no help to allies. Solar are the worse block to be allied to I swear. So what will happen, will NC. Forces come to spank to scrubs that are razor or? This was all foreseen back before the northern war started. Wich is why Orc fought with dotbros as irc are next then solar pets. Obvious is obvious! Mactep turns his Loki comp that he copied off NC. Towards the south when he should be concerned with what is happening in the north and east. I would not like to be a solar pet over the next several months.

    December 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm Reply
    1. Since 03

      Predict text sigh, IRC* not Orc lol

      December 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm Reply
    2. NC.

      All the alliances in the north already lost their space when NC. lost theirs. Not just IRC. How can you guys be surprised that you are loosing your space? Your only chance to defend it was to defend NC.

      December 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm Reply
      1. Truth

        Lets see NC dot backed SONE up when they were the instigator, NC dot interfered in that for Gudfites, NC dot has harassed any neighbor they ever had for "GUDFITES", NC dot breaks any agreements made with anyone, If you guys were any kind of ally worth having WHY ARENT YOU HELPING IRC in a Time of Need?

        December 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          Because you wouldn't even allow for a short time of peace for us to go up there and fight you would just take the space back when we leave and declare victory and watch IRC lose all their space.

          December 25, 2012 at 2:18 pm Reply
        2. I just do not know

          As I was one of the IRC people who fought against the CFC in Tribute and Vale I have no ill feelings against NCDOT, enjoyed the fights and was gratreful for the previous assistence we had from NCDOT, I wish them well.

          In terms of Solar, Solar made their own bed and will now lie in it, 1st January comes the full on assault into the drone regions by the CFC/HBC, stupid decisions by Solar, but what the hell…

          December 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm Reply
    3. Mactep Fanboy

      Why…. would we go to help IRC? they are blue but they are also useless…. when called on to fight an enemy of the SOLAR block they instead decided to blue the enemy and go help them.

      We've kept them blue to give them a life line of logistics even when they awox us, blue scout enemy fleets and lite cynos for enemies to hotdrop us. Their high command doesn't even seem to think that there is anything wrong with half of the stuff I just listed…. so no I doubt SOLAR or any of the drone dwellers will be running to their aid any time soon.

      But seriously SOLAR are being attacked by three coalitions on their southern boarder (NCC, N3 and HBC) and you expect them to go north to defend a useless ally?

      December 25, 2012 at 1:24 pm Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Goons agitator speaks, but don't worry IRC is screwed anyway!!!!

        December 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm Reply
      2. Since 03

        Regardless of history one thing is factual, solar only thinks about solar. Have a think about that and you will see what Mactep is bringing you as a future! Would hate to be you guys. When you feel like getting your retarded asses out of your shit crammed asses, call for help without your bullshit excuses and you never know, an enemy of an enemy may very well be your much needed friend vs a great abomination that is cfc. Think about it 😉

        December 25, 2012 at 6:24 pm Reply
      3. Washi Meisei

        Well Mactep (Solar) and their useles pets are defending another useless solar pet….. Imperial Legion. Who has never realy helped solar and pets fight against the invasion taking their space, nor did they help when 401k was kicking in imp-l space…….. I'm sensing a pattern with Solar pets being useless.

        December 25, 2012 at 6:35 pm Reply
      4. Since 03

        There was not many that felt what Solar was doing was right,there were many that refused to fight for solar when they started the 2nd front against dotbros and started working with CFC who will soon be at solars doorstep. If I remember correctly words such as ashamed,once great,im not fighting with goons,disgrace,these are words I heard from likely previous solar block forces.Ironic really,how the fools prematurely laugh.
        It was Solar who started to be vultures in geminate not Dotbros. Ofc IRC was going to fight with Dotbros,they new what was coming as was foreseen when NC. lost there space then IRC would be next then Solar pets. Obvious is Obvious,a stand had to be made,just a shame those who had the ability to tip that balance could not bring themselves to do anything but vulture tech and bandy pathetic excuses,excuses even at this point upon when predictions are coming true… sooo retarded it hurts!

        December 26, 2012 at 12:06 am Reply
    4. Euripides

      No, -A- / SoCo was the worst the block to be allied to, but since they got killed off I suppose Solar can take that mantle now. LOL

      December 25, 2012 at 9:11 pm Reply
  13. SgtSimons

    so by next year we should have one null sec coalition

    December 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm Reply
    1. Pathfinder

      who will we fight?

      While fun, shadow boxing only goes so far

      December 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm Reply
    2. NullSecHoBo

      Give it six months. This mass of blues will not last.

      December 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm Reply
  14. poastin toaster

    BLdot to the rescue….

    December 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm Reply
    1. Since 03

      BL. Are only replicant due to a few people within the alliance. Apart from that they don't have any reluctance in 0.0 a few FCs is BL. Relivance. If you forget that then your only doing yourself harm!

      December 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm Reply
      1. Since 03

        Change it to relivance, bleeding predict txt again.

        December 25, 2012 at 7:00 pm Reply
        1. Mr_Gr3y

          Name one alliance that isn't relevant due to their leadership?

          What's your actual point?

          December 26, 2012 at 12:07 pm Reply
  15. eve pilot

    so a once great member of the once great NORTHERN COALITION now just a goon bitch that takes it up the arse from goons the same razor who abandoned the other northern coalition partners to save its own skin when the DRF came knocking.now just a pathetic alliance attacking another smaller pathetic alliance theres an irony in there somewhere as far as i can see IRC has no friends helping them yet razor needed the help of the rest of the CFC with the station timer in HB-5l3.so get this out of your heads people that this is 1 VS 1 its CFC vs IRC and dont believe the CFC propaganda nonsense written above

    December 25, 2012 at 2:20 pm Reply
    1. Alwayslaughaha

      What's your point?

      December 25, 2012 at 2:34 pm Reply
      1. I just do not know

        His point is which I totally agree with is that it is the CFC vs IRC, all one has to do is look at HB to see that, because of that there is no way that IRC can win any important timers, so most people have moved their important stuff out and are bjust picking their fights. Soon it will be CFC and HBC staring at each other and wondering whether to start the fun and games….

        December 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm Reply
        1. Goonion

          The HCB could not fight Goons alone. Let alone fight Goons and all our pets.

          December 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm Reply
          1. Since 03

            Dotbros 1 fifth CFCs size made them look like the fools that goons are for 2+ months of the 3 and a half months that the northern war was ongoing. Things only changed for CFCs gain when they started blue balling because they kept welping fleet after fleet to dotbros. Several titans and several super carriers were lost to no dotbros super loses. No goon you are not to mighty. You are just to fat and stubborn. To realise that your only asset is numbers and the small guy showed a glimpse that could of been CFCs Dow fall, not just cfc humiliation lol. Another 200-300 fighting for dotbros and cfc would of been defending there assets not attacking nc. Assets. Remember this well goon scum, your only as strong as your numbers and meat shield, you have absolutely no other value!

            December 25, 2012 at 6:13 pm
          2. Alwayslaughaha

            If you think this you are actually retarded.

            December 25, 2012 at 7:23 pm
          3. NullSecHoBo

            And another 500, and you'd have been dining in Deklein by now.

            Except, pilots don't materialize out of thin air, and in bloc level wars, it takes a certain tenacity to get things done. IRC was never it – no point in trying to attribute posthumous glory to them.

            December 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm
        2. Alwayslaughaha

          To be honest, whether it was the CFC vs IRC or just razor vs IRC, Intrepid Crossing never had a chance of doing it on their own. No matter how shit you might think razor is IRC is worse.

          December 26, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
    2. Thodoros

      Relax little IRC pilot;
      We are not gonna take all your space.
      Stop crying now.
      Our invasion to IRC was well known to our CFC friends and they wanted to jump along, so we could not refuse them.
      But as the Author said the majority of the fights is just Razor.
      And yes we have try to provoke fights all the time with IRC but they dont fight us anymore.
      And everyone must read the Razor propaganda, is awesome. ^^

      December 25, 2012 at 6:12 pm Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Your would not have taken HB if it was not for a full on mobilisation by the CFC, we had 260 and Razor could not match that so of course the CFC came in. Its that which has ended it, not you and trying to pretend otherwise shows just how self delusional Razor is.

        December 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm Reply
        1. niko

          You had 260 with a LOT of your friends. IRC had 130 ppl in fleet. RZR alone brought 245 individual pilots and then came the rest of the CFC. And that was the first station, the most important one and we did not know how many of your friends will actually turn up.

          Since then CFC (and mainly goons and FA just roam your space). Haven't seen them at a strat op for a long time. But sure, tell the world that RZR took VY- with 90 ppl cause your 3k alliance (sorry 2.7k and dropping) was afraid that if they show up the rest of the CFC will. You know what I was told in the evening of VY-… we will see how it turns out, maybe we go for the station… You surrendered that station and your space, RZR is hardly doing any efforts.

          December 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
          1. vigilanta

            according to the BR report Rzr had more than IRC but only by liek 20 people. But that was Just IRC numbers, with IRC allies razor was outnumbered by maybe 30

            December 25, 2012 at 10:45 pm
          2. I just do not know

            http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i

            There you go, full facts from our KB, R O G U E and 5 401K came to help us, try to keep lying when the facts are there in full view.

            December 26, 2012 at 7:54 am
          3. I just do not know

            My reply was to the previous guy, your right

            December 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm
      2. anon

        Translation:
        "We knew that, at least initially IRC could give us solid fights and the only way we could win is to call on massive-momma for help. So we did."

        "Now, we only call MM when there's a timer we really don't wanna re-grind or hostiles have 2-3 more ships than we do."

        December 26, 2012 at 5:49 am Reply
    3. NullSecHoBo

      You clearly have problems reading killboards :)

      Don't let your blind hate of goons et. al. get in the way of appreciating what is going on – you'll miss the main plot.

      December 25, 2012 at 8:20 pm Reply
    4. Spanwy

      And another retard who has NO clue about history. Razor didn't abandon anyone, we were in h-w still trying to get in fleets when 200+ SC's and 100+ titans landed in D7. I Still remember being in fleet with goons and test on their collective way to help out and that MM retard whelped a fleet before they arrived the first time and disbanded it the second time,

      As for HB- please tell me that IRC formed the 500 themselves right? It was just IRC…. uhuh…. ok yea step away from the drugs because shit dude you are so screwed up you have no concept of reality, Tell you what, give those 500 dudes to a decent FC who knows the in and and outs of defensive PvP and he would win that fight even against 800. HB- was one timer, how many others have just been Razor huh? pretty much all of them so stfu and crawl back into the hole.

      January 4, 2013 at 12:32 pm Reply
  16. Another DC Grunt

    NC. always whines that no one helped them against the Goons. Of course, they never complain that their PL alts wouldn't help them, because PL is CFC. NC. was in bed with the Goons on OTEC 'til that went sour and cost them their space.

    So, NC., if you want to lead the fight against the Goons, grab your PL alts and get your butts up there to help someone who DID try to help defend your space.

    And don't cry that you can't get there – just go to Venal and hit Razor from behind.

    December 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm Reply
  17. old school rzr grunt

    Bigging up rzr is lols, they moment irc went for a fight its batphone goons : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=154… Then there is the alliance income differnece betweeent he two entities, Tho only impressive thing about this rzr got 100+ people in a fleet instead of ratting.

    December 25, 2012 at 3:02 pm Reply
    1. Goonion

      No one is biging up Razor. I already told you they are our most incompetent pet. But if Razor can take a region what do you think we are going to do with you?

      December 25, 2012 at 3:13 pm Reply
      1. Polakk

        LOLOLOL Goons are horrible. Razor is leet compared to goons… It's like saying uncooked po-ta-toes are better than baked po-ta-toes with cream and sugar. And we shant forget the fact that Goons are even horribad at posting, even worse than the average horribad 4chaner…

        December 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          Razor could actually go with FCON and take out GSF in a heart beat….They have the actual fighters to beat GSF hands down its true.

          I said a lot before but Tribute war was 25% Razor 20% FCON 20% FA 20% Convicted/Monkeys/Gentlemens 15% GSF on there good days. In fact since GSF made the pets be FC`ed by DBRB they welped way way more than when there FC`s never came. Only Fc we ever respected was Laz and only with Maels, anything else we whomped him.

          I often wonder why RZR didnt restart the NC and just like GSF before them slowly start to take away troops like GSF did with FA/FCON/MONKEYS etc. GSF or DEKCO back then was straight up stealing C Team NC members.

          December 26, 2012 at 3:53 am Reply
    2. Mr.Smith

      Your killmail link is wrong, here is the correct one where Razor had to batphone CFC subcaps and supers http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=15161

      December 25, 2012 at 5:19 pm Reply
    3. Thodoros

      Ahahahahaha!
      You are so funny, keep trying.
      :D:)

      December 25, 2012 at 6:13 pm Reply
  18. I just do not know

    As a member of IRC and a director of my corp I would like to point out a few things:

    This is a CFC invasion, Razor can on their own win in the EU TZ but cannot win else where, especially late US early AU. The fall of HB says it all, when the CFC came in en masse. Since that time we have had Razor fleets only but when we threaten to out number them in comes CFC members, most notably FA. So to say its Razor is incorrect.

    The leadership of IRC failed to communicate with their membership in a timely fashion, being aloof and arrogant with the exception of Tessa Yor, as a result they are losing corps and members.

    But at the end of all this there is no stopping the CFC and HBC, so some of us have moved out important assets and will pick fights with what we have left there, when that is gone, we will be in HS.

    December 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      If you are really IRC, then you know very well that your best bet is to withdraw to southern CE if not farther, reform into an entity (which means rebrand with new name and new leadership if possible) and focus on pvp a lot more, and appreciate the fact that you can no longer survive thanks to the remoteness of CE.

      It's a different world now – crowded, bloc-like, with little patience for mediocrity. You guys have had a good run. Start the new year right :)

      December 25, 2012 at 8:39 pm Reply
      1. fredthecabbage

        All the blue blobs are mediocre that's their MO, bunch of smart people leading a horde of F1 pressing monkeys.

        December 26, 2012 at 12:18 am Reply
      2. IRC Grunt

        Best bet and what is going to happen are entirel diferent things.
        We are bleading corps and active members so fast that even a rebuild is not likely to be possible.
        Focussing a 80% carebear alliance on pvp is next to impossible aswell. Espeacely now that the pvp corps left.
        In the new year yoou will see irc fall there is no more place in new eden for indipendant 0.0 alliances and the HC has tomuch ego to join a big block(nor will 99% of the membership allow it)
        There will be a good number of corps looking to join the N3 block and fight the good fight but you will likely also see some take the easy way out and jin HBC. Joining the CFC is very unlikely die to a reesiding big hate of goons.

        December 26, 2012 at 12:47 am Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          You guys had a great run. You're right – you'll prob see the pvp-ers go somewhere else than the missioners and the casual players. You have an experienced core, so should be able to make it big in many other places. Not a lot of players have the experience that comes through an experience fo defeat and decline. Except, you don't have to look at it that way – consider it a new start. Who knows, maybe you'll be taking space in Tenal in a year's time :)

          December 26, 2012 at 10:33 pm Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Hobo really is trying to help you guys IRC, I think he has seen this cycle so much he is just trying to save you heartache and longterm bleeding of numbers.

            I admire your fight but SOLAR has left you and sided with CFC before, hell they even may have sacrificed you in a deal so CFC doesnt invade them…..Sorry to say. Come down with us in Curse and we will regroup, get your 1500 that will be left into fighters and re-brand IRC like he says.

            We thoroughly enjoyed you guys and always have liked you, its time to finally let those hoardes take that space, we will return and you will get better land I promise, 50 Tec Moons and you guys who like to fight would never have to worry again.

            December 27, 2012 at 9:22 pm
        2. omgwtfbbq

          there are places in 0.0 for independent alliances, you just need to control your members better and have an always active and very professional diplo team that knows whats going on and can sort out disputes etc… with measured diplomacy.

          not a bunch of trigger happy pvpers that go and hit structures that forces a more ordered and focused response.

          December 27, 2012 at 12:54 am Reply
      3. I just do not know

        Actually no, the best thing that IRC can do is pull out of 0.0 until such time as passive income from moon mining is nerfed, carebear with teeth alliances find it tough enough as it is, but with the massive strategic advantage that tech income gives there is no way in hell that they can compete.

        December 26, 2012 at 11:22 am Reply
      4. The other IRC grunt

        Burn it down, start again. Abandon Cobalt Edge. Purge high command. Oldma is pretty much invisible most of the time along with everyone else in HC except for Tessa and Takhion. Reform as IRCDOT with Tessa in charge and bcpror as head FC, then go take some space in the south and start hitting SOLAR with Nulli and co, if they'll have us.

        It won't happen but I can dream.

        December 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm Reply
    2. ...

      "The leadership of IRC failed to communicate with their membership in a timely fashion, being aloof and arrogant with the exception of Tessa Yor, as a result they are losing corps and members. "

      Tessa? Another person buying into VAF's propaganda Tessa has been made incredably rich by forcing the alliance to buy from her. cutting cost at every fucking turn disallowing even the use of the market. If your going to offhandly defend her atleast post the nudes.

      December 25, 2012 at 8:45 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        And yet another person that only sees tessa as the vaf tessa. Out of the HC (10 or so peeps) she is the only one that responds to questions.
        Also she is the only one of the group with any form of balls and is willing to risk anything more then a few hairs on their head.
        She never forces shit btw she just makes the choise prettty easy if you can choose between her realistic prices or the 50% mark up prices most other ask for modules in CE

        December 26, 2012 at 12:42 am Reply
        1. I just do not know

          I agree with this reply totally.

          December 26, 2012 at 7:30 am Reply
    3. Really

      Cfc only turned up for the hb- system fight because everyone thought with it being such an important system you would surely bring everything you had to defend it. But sadly you didn't and it soon fell. Almost all razor fleets into ce have been blue balled , even when deliberately outnumbered 3 to 1. Your reluctance to help your bros in delve/trib wars have ultimately left you to stand alone. And against bored razor pilots your time in ce edge is about to become very difficult. I have a level of respect for all my fellow pvpers weather friend or foe but after seeing first hand some of your tactics I will be glad to see the back of irc. You seem good guys but your let down by your leadership

      December 25, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        Are you really that moronic? We brought 150+ too HB defence which is a awsome showing for a carebear alliance which in the end we are. During the tribute war we had good numbers in a lot of fleets but that dwindled when NC. Stopped warning us when the fleet was fighting solar which used to be a major ally of us.
        If i was ever on and a razor fleet war around that we outnumbered we would have taken them on, but mostly this only happens when razor has another 4 times our number standing by to hotdrop us.
        Atm though IRV is falling apart. Almost all proper pvp corps have left or are in the process of doing so.
        There will likely be very little resistance left when razor goes full in.

        December 26, 2012 at 12:39 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          We color coded the op posts so that it was clear who we would be fighting….

          December 26, 2012 at 4:01 am Reply
      2. I just do not know

        260 IRC in the defence of HB, but you fail to understand that once you do that then its clear that every important timer will be CFC supported, also I have seen lots of FA in fleets with Razor. And we have never had 3 to 1 odds against Razor. Razor on their own could defeat IRC in the EU TZ and most probably the AU TZ but not the US TZ, you have good pilots and FC's, but you needed the CFC to break that outer shell called HB, once you did that then it was evident that it was the CFC in full so no point in doing anything other than guerilla type warfare.

        December 26, 2012 at 7:41 am Reply
    4. Active rzr grunt

      Razor IS going at this alone, except for HB- (and any other fight where we catch wind of IRC bringing in other alliances). And o say we can't square off against IRC during USTZ is completely wrong. We haven't missed a single objective during USTZ. Of course, this whole campaign is for laughs, and we are simply trying to fail cascade IRC with the least amount of effort. So IRC grunts, keep shooting SBUs with 30 bombers, or 8 oracles, and keep bringing tier3 bc fleets on final station timers. It's working we'll for you.

      December 26, 2012 at 4:52 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Funny that I keep seeing CFC supporting you at key moments outside of the EU TZ, and mostly from FA too. Also IRC was always going to fail at some point with their leadership being so aloof, self seeking and incompetent. Your comment about not missing a single objective in the US TZ is also very incorrect, I was in the fleet that saved VY the first time you tried for it.

        December 26, 2012 at 7:46 am Reply
        1. Active rzr grunt

          Sometimes we don't post CTAs for ops that are at bad times, or sometimes an FC isn't be available for a timer. Ad hoc fleets and roaming fleets don't constitute serious attempts. And yeah, goons and FA roam through occasionally, too, we don't control that. But you'll see in the next few weeks (as you just saw in VY-) razor-only CTAs taking systems from IRC, despite the ridiculous comment that IRC can go toe-to-toe against Razor.

          December 27, 2012 at 4:13 pm Reply
          1. slartybartfast

            Once the Mastiff has been tied down by a friend, kicking it no longer evinces quite the same degree of respect. IRC may be failcascading, but there's a strong argument for dying alone being worth more than living as someone else's pet.

            That's right Razor, you're a pet now.

            How's it feel?

            January 3, 2013 at 7:20 am
      2. IRC Indy

        Right, the area is crawling with non-RZR goon pilots. :/ RZR is nothing but a Goon pet at this point. You might as well stop with the naive RZR pilot story.

        January 2, 2013 at 7:19 pm Reply
        1. RZR Grunt # 3234

          Maybe if you weren't such a soft target with your haulers, miners and alike then they wouldn't be around. Stop using any and all opportunities to lay the blame on someone else and get out of your Indy and make a fight of it…

          FYI there's a big difference between opportunist non-RZR CFC members (lets be honest you're only 4-5 jumps away using the bridge network) looking for a quick kill and the rest of RZR forming for the 'non-invasion' activities.

          January 3, 2013 at 2:03 am Reply
          1. IRC Indy

            Excuses aside, the IRC response has not been one I would suggest repeating. :)

            RZR is pretty much over as an independent alliance. It is the Goons doing the heavy lifting for you guys.

            January 3, 2013 at 2:44 am
  19. Ex IRC member

    Last months IRC was just a PvE alliance. When there was an HD, only got 20 or 30 ppl in fleet of 350 online. I still remember when an FC enraged because the ppl didn't wanted to defend. ¡I saw an important HC member ratting during that HD also!

    Of course I left.

    December 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm Reply
    1. I just do not know

      There was a good core of PvP'rs within IRC, but to be blunt, its not so much that IRC is bad, but more to do with that there is no way that an alliance which relies on active income can defeat such a huge coalition which has such massive passive income. Add to that the inept out of touch leadership and FC's that are new and learning the hard way and its impossible. My favourite is a certain HC member always turning up in either an AF or Muninn when BS fleets are called for, we find it irritating and very very funny…

      December 25, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        They had a huge chance to.

        If IRC would have thrown together a solid 200 body of fighters 3 times a day same as we did, I guarantee Vince would have paid for there Drakes. He has always had a soft spot for IRC, some in NCDOT even think that we aided the enemy and a lot of our intel in the end went straight to SOLAR to Goons.

        They didnt need to fight a Coalition by themselves but fight with us in real numbers. We would have provided income, and we would have provided fullblown support now even if we lost the fight.

        Also as I said they had alot more influence with Solar than they used. When SOlar was going to lose Gypsies and that entire block of Red/Gyp etc and they were going to attack SOLAR, Solar was teetering on the fence, if IRC stood up and said we need your support vs GSF and you will keep Gypsies and US or lose both of us im sure Mactep could have swallowed his pride, and im sorry but any Goon or CFC member who thinks that DOT Bro`s+IRC [200-300]+Solar block [with Gypsies etc] would have had a chance in hell they are smoking crack.

        Add to that AAA might have lost there homes and came up north with NCC+Solar who would be raping Goons who were already getting weary with only 5k of us, and now adding 25k to that of actual login fighters and its over…Game over and this time not like DRF we would have evicted GSF and Razor and ground them to dust.

        Basically if IRC would have made the right choices at the right times, this whole "We need to be banding together and not fighting eachother" idea people keep throwing out would have happend, and CFC would be now owned by Solar+NCDOT+BL+Nulli+IRC+AAA including 80% of the Tec in game, meaning AAA would have lost a desert in catch but gained a perfect rich coastal tropical paradise and made enough passive income for all of us to double our numbers and x4 our SC`s/Titans.

        But, it didnt happen Solar attacked us when we were fighting an already super tough war and we couldnt hold out without more bodies. Now IMO Solar will lose [in the next year] they will lose all there land, XDeath will eventually reunite with Red, AA will be Ronin, IRC will all scatter to the 4 winds probably in groups like Tribe/Unclaimed etc where they can carebear with no fear and just make the CFC/HBC even bigger.

        December 26, 2012 at 3:47 am Reply
        1. I just do not know

          The issue was Solar, I also think HC wanted to go for it, but they had just come off of a deployment and that had cost a lot more and taken longer due to NCDOT. As IRC does not have a SRP it required the corps and individuals to sort their stuff out. Many of us myself included thought that NCDOT would cut and run saying they did not need that space anyway. However I did deploy once I was able to.

          I will not join CFC/HBC, my own intention is to base in HS and roam into CFC space, because in my opinion while this huge passive income is around there is no space in 0.0 for anyone but the CFC/HBC block…

          December 26, 2012 at 8:07 am Reply
    2. current irc grunt

      Alot of members stopped showing for hd's because idiots were being allowed to fc and they were calling hds for 20-30 reds. I left several fleets after joining because i was tired of hearing asses like you bitching in fleet coms about people not being in fleet. If i wanted to listen to a little bitch i would join cfc.

      December 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm Reply
  20. Sukhdeep

    This whole article can be summed, up really easlily….Fucking Idiotic Moronic Garbage……after I read…."….. roll through the system….", Blah Blah Blah, What he ment to say was I am just some retard writing stuff I hope retarded EvE Capsuleers might find entertaining, and hoping in some way to gain profit from it some how…and When I say profit I ment Dollars and Cents….

    December 25, 2012 at 4:55 pm Reply
  21. Sukhdeep

    The more I read about this Spreadsheet platform EvE Online, a Program that is best supported by its Third Party Developers…and with-out said Third Party Developers, would otherwise make EvE Online a unbearable experience…I come to realize, wait a minute, These Third Party Application and Developers are just using these tools to allow a money laundering and pyramid scheme to work, is just, well…….boring…overplayed……been there done that……..Oh wait you still your playing a game in which you think your action have real cause and effects on your gameplay….The only thing a EvE Capsuleers controls is when he joins the elite Spaceship club of Doomheim….I did….

    December 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      Wow dude, you're butthurt at levels not seen since … ever!

      December 25, 2012 at 8:35 pm Reply
    2. Alwayslaughaha

      What are you talking about?

      December 26, 2012 at 3:54 am Reply
  22. Another -A- Grunt

    You know I am not part of HBC,CFC and the total rolling of everyone not them may be good for 0.0. I am totally amazed that all of the other entities have not just said yeah I hate, I think you are crap, you suck, blah blah BUT CFC, HBC are just rolling around giving surprise butt sex to everyone at will and us fighting for the scraps is just stupid. Maybe no one having sov. other than those related to the HBC/CFC coalitions in some way may be a wake up, but who knows may it wont. I will watch for a year from now to see if all 0.0 turns out to be is people with NIPs.

    December 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm Reply
    1. Kik

      IRC holding space is an insult to any decent EVE player. They are always hiding behind daddy SOLAR and smile at you with their miserable carebear faces. Their eviction is long overdue.

      December 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm Reply
      1. Since 03

        Same can be said for 95% of cfc/HBC alliances, they are for most part weak, pathetic irrelevant alliances, but the blob gives them everything wich is how they survive, it's not fun or even right for the game, how ever this is how the few have influenced eve to be, for profit over game value. There are a key few morals that only the few still abide by, the rest say them, think them but do not have the strength to do them. The blob is easy street, it is where the weak lay! Would of thought the northern war where dotbros hammered cfc fleets while being grossly outnumbered, while also fighting solar vultures would of been inspirational enough. Seek the vids and BRs for a reminder 😉 this should show that with effort cfc abomination can be put back into there place and eve can be renewed for communities sake.

        December 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm Reply
        1. niko

          Sounds like you are demising my game style saying yours is the right one… Isn't that horse a little too high for you?

          December 25, 2012 at 10:27 pm Reply
    2. blah blah blah

      A year ago everyone said the same thing about the DRF, a year before that NC. CFC will collapse just like the rest.

      December 26, 2012 at 6:37 am Reply
    3. doby

      Live in NPC 0.0, it's great fun. You don't need to provoke fights because there are lots of people who just love fighting. I couldn't care less about the null bear alliances grinding each others sov. it doesn't matter to the vast majority of all eve players. They've already started asking for the null bear activities to be buff pretending they are just trying to provoke 'good fights' when in truth they want to buff their space for when tech gets nerfed.

      December 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm Reply
  23. Goonion

    I told you Cobalt fools that we were coming to get you. But did you listen? When Goonion tells you on EvE news you are dead you had better believe it. We are currently unrivaled in EvE even our most incompetent pets can take a region. I can tell you exactly who we are going to attack on EvE news and when long before we even do it! AND WHY????? Because there is nothing any of you can do about i!

    Test and Pandemic Losers, I am telling you now, you are in big trouble. :)

    December 25, 2012 at 6:49 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Ahh…My favorite troll. Fist bump brosef

      December 26, 2012 at 3:48 am Reply
      1. Mybad

        WHAT!! all this time I thought Goonian was you, Bnty!!!

        December 26, 2012 at 6:32 am Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          He is, I have split personalities. My right hand types one thing my left types another, which is why I cant spell for shit.

          Then I fist Bump and talk to myself for enjoyment :)

          December 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm Reply
    2. I just do not know

      As a member of IRC and a director of my corp I would like to point out a few things:

      This is a CFC invasion, Razor can on their own win in the EU TZ but cannot win else where, especially late US early AU. The fall of HB says it all, when the CFC came in en masse. Since that time we have had Razor fleets only but when we threaten to out number them in comes CFC members, most notably FA. So to say its Razor is incorrect.

      The leadership of IRC failed to communicate with their membership in a timely fashion, being aloof and arrogant with the exception of Tessa Yor, as a result they are losing corps and members.

      But at the end of all this there is no stopping the CFC and HBC, so some of us have moved out important assets and will pick fights with what we have left there, when that is gone, we will be in HS.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:27 pm Reply
  24. Thodoros

    WOW!
    The censor is strong in this tread.
    Ty for deleting 4 of my posts here!

    December 25, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
    1. Z.Z.

      thiS is TRUE greek LOVE

      December 26, 2012 at 12:55 am Reply
    2. anonymous

      if you said the goon ceos name in your posts it auto deletes

      December 26, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
  25. -A- FC

    Welcome to eve online, were the lonely kid in the corner of the schoolyard gets beaten up by the worst bully in the school whilst being egged on by all the others. He knows that if he doesn't do it he will be the next pet thrown under the school bus and you know the others are begging for approval and want to dogpile in so they don't also look weak.

    But beating up the wimpiest kid in the school, in the end you know that just makes you look retarded.. right?

    So that's pretty much it almost everyone with sov in 0.0 will be a goon pet or goon wannabie in some way under the yoke of mittins and PLs whims..

    We are loving it, doesn't matter which way we go, there is some retard bully to kill who can't fight without calling to PL or goons to hold their hand, FC their fleets, pay their bills, bring the big rocks with the worst aim. Ah bullies… they have the sweetest tears.

    December 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      That would be a rather charitable take on the situation.

      Eve has never been a game that has catered to the weak, and no quarter was ever given just because an entity wasn't strong enough. IRC has latched on to CE for the longest time because no one wanted the region and it was really too far from anywhere to bother. It's about time someone put these guys out of their misery.

      The only tragedy would be if another entity is installed which extends the already ridiculous sea of blues up north.

      December 25, 2012 at 8:15 pm Reply
  26. fredthecabbage

    Funny, when TEST say 'we want to do this on our own' not a problem. However; it appears rzr are saying they would do it on their own but they can't stop CFC dudes showing up. It's a CFC operation, no need to spin it to make yourself feel better chaps.

    December 25, 2012 at 10:09 pm Reply
    1. xxxxx

      http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=kill_relate… lol, try harder. But we don't tell friends they can't join the party.

      December 26, 2012 at 3:45 am Reply
      1. Rodney

        I remember the good old days when rzr where living on the goons couch and 20 NC. pilots would regularly camp the entire rzr alliance into their own home station in O-B.

        December 26, 2012 at 9:30 am Reply
      2. I just do not know
        December 26, 2012 at 11:08 am Reply
      3. Mr_Gr3y

        Oh I'm sorry, Razor did a bomber fleet. They are truly the real power behind the CFC, I mean, who else has the vast resources and pure skill required to muster a bomber fleet?

        Seeing as you actually found that killreport worth linking I'm going to assume you don't understand sarcasm and rephrase:

        Linking that battlereport proves nothing you mongoloid.

        December 26, 2012 at 11:52 am Reply
  27. Father Gabriel

    a wet razor dream comes true … since razor was in NC years ago ..they dreamed of getting IRC space ;o)) .. in nc times … they neglect an invasion against drf, to attack irc … because this was the reason, why the invasion of nc against drf did not work in the past XD … old stories .. i know hehehe

    December 25, 2012 at 10:58 pm Reply
  28. Solar pet=Best pet

    http://www.eveskunk.com/standings.php?alliance=No…. http://www.eveskunk.com/standings.php?alliance=In
    And now they have been reset by the people they went to help against CFC. Also refusing to help solar and friends, their long time friends, in the war in Scalding and Ishmother, instead choose to remain neutral as to not upset their new found friends.. Some amazing choice by irc I see. Well you reap what you sow my friend..

    December 26, 2012 at 12:38 am Reply
  29. nightahwk

    razor cant do shit without goons helping them

    December 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm Reply
    1. The other IRC grunt

      Its true. We were holding our own until HB station happened, then they brought 800 friends to our 500. I'm impressed that we managed to scrape together 500 guys, but ultimately it still wasn't enough, and we see the writing on the wall. Ultimately though our high-command has been overriding our FCs with retarded decisions and won't even let us fight most of the time. And THAT is why people are leaving. Not because we're being invaded, but because they won't let us fight back. And fuck that noise.

      December 26, 2012 at 9:58 pm Reply
      1. ex IRC

        Ah yes the Chris mail.

        December 29, 2012 at 1:05 am Reply
  30. IRC LoL

    IRC willl fall faster than a house of cards in a windstorm.

    December 26, 2012 at 2:34 pm Reply
    1. nightahwk

      the invasion started like a month ago and goons have only taken 3-4 systems.

      December 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm Reply
  31. Random CFC Grunt

    Wait a sec, is CFC invading CE?… Why don't I see any broadcasts/ops/fleets about it? Have I been…expelled?…no…don't think so…could it be that EN24 is … wrong?

    December 26, 2012 at 7:47 pm Reply
    1. ...

      I congratulate you on your troll attempt but at least read the damn thing before you go full retard.

      December 26, 2012 at 8:09 pm Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        I did, care to state your point?

        December 26, 2012 at 10:33 pm Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          I think he's objecting to the fact that you're letting facts get in the way of a good story.

          December 26, 2012 at 10:35 pm Reply
  32. solar pet

    irc is useless. why would we help them?

    December 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm Reply
    1. IRC Grunt

      Lets see. e-bay is what ten jumps from your space. wake up is smell the coffee. your next after us and if you don't help us i ain't helping you.

      December 27, 2012 at 9:50 pm Reply
  33. omgwtfbbq

    FREEPORT COBALT EDGE!!

    LOL!

    December 27, 2012 at 1:00 am Reply
  34. hyesp24

    I left IRC and EVE a few months ago and before that i was in irc for a long time… it also was the only alliance i've ever been in.
    While people talk about how shitty irc is, there were times when we'd give surprise butsex to people who tought a roam in irc would be a walk in the park.

    That said, i left because even a few months ago the HD fleets were useless, people being scared shitless of a solo bomber etc…
    Irc was never good, but the last few months i was there, it was shittier than ever.

    Anyway for the good of irc and EVE i hope cfc takes CE and all of drone regions.. They've been stuck in that shit region for too long and only those too stubborn or those too naive were willing to live there…. Maybe some good will come out of this… Irc will loose the dead weight, and cfc will get bored and we'll see a mass resets through all of null-secs…

    As far as Irc hc … shit they need to change, I liked Axexut even though we didn't talk personally. Other than that rest were useless egocentric idiots ….

    my 2 cents

    December 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm Reply
    1. hyesp24

      Oh and NC.. complaining about irc not bringing fleets… well lol that's irc. .. I remember one or two times irc bringing a cpl hundred ppl, i personally got on fleets only a few times cuz i was getting ready to quit both eve and irc…. and quiet frankly whenever irc would bring a large fleet it only meant they'd get shit on by an even larger cfc fleet….And with no srp , i can't really blame the average irc dude.

      December 28, 2012 at 8:24 pm Reply
  35. Cough

    "This just in from a nobody alliance that doesn't hold sov…"

    December 29, 2012 at 4:50 am Reply
  36. The Eyes of Eve

    If anyone had been reading , then they would have seen this coming a while ago. The original HBC map plan posted on the internet showed IRC would fail from their furthest gate, and move towards the Russians. I told my CEO to mark the day I told him, that IRC was next.

    The thing I don't understand is why take sov of all these areas just to moon mine, and have very little to cover the areas. Then just Hot drop titans in on anything when its a big enough agitation to tackle. For CCP to see that these areas aren't being botted after take over, is just unbelievable. CCP will take notice when they start lossing real money from players not buying game time. I have seen several 100's and probably many more out there that are just giving up, and moving on to other games. Game changes by CCP that nerf ships, and allow easy takeovers like this is just disheartening. Sov is to easy, it was much more costly to do just a couple years ago, which made it much harder to be able to do take overs like this. Why any one coalition would need to take this much to ruin fun for all is outside my understanding. It seems like there are more in the world that think everyone needs to suffer so they can feel good about them selves . If CCP allows this botting and game twisting rules to continue, then they will loose a big money maker.. But history shows, companies never learn from their mistakes, they just continue to fall the same ways as others.

    December 31, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
    1. Smiling Joe

      The tears are strong with this one. Please, you claim botting, which no doubtedly does happen, but you give no evidence or support. If you can prove your theories through factual data and analysis, then they aren't valid in the least.

      January 3, 2013 at 10:02 pm Reply
  37. kenisk

    I see just like every other media outlet the censoring is heavy. I doubt this will post. IRC is falling, as have all the good alliances in the 0.0 realm. Next is Solar / Red Alliances, unless they have struck some backstabbing deal with the incoming force, like they are very well known to do… Examples are Atlas, and Frege Alliances that were toppled by the backstabbing.

    Let the HBC / CFC / NC. / and the rest steam roll thru, get your stuff out, don't let these buggers have the kills. Build a coalition to counteract this group, and fight fire with fire. Blobs are all they can do, so blobs are what is needed.

    Anyone that hotdrops 5 titans on a gate camp is desperate for pvp, but doesn't want to loose anything.

    Thats my 2 cents worth

    January 4, 2013 at 1:37 am Reply
  38. Ex IRC

    I reduced my message size twice and it was already way less than most other posts here, go fuck yourself riverini you nazi cunt.

    January 5, 2013 at 3:08 am Reply
    1. Ex IRC

      nazi cunt in the sense of not allowing equal rights for freedom of speech, not that you are actually a nazi, although you may be, I am neither confirming or denying just trying to post here about irc.

      January 5, 2013 at 3:20 am Reply

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