Gevlon Globin is famous in the Word of Warcraft circle for having mastered the “gold-cap” concept. His Eve journey show a very interesting “outside the box” approach to the game, PVE and the trade hubs, reason for which we invite you to pay a visit to his blog.

Why would someone pay 3x20B to join an alliance which accepts 1-days old Rifter pilots unless he is a spy? “If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.” Yes, I joined TEST to spy. No, not on their fleets, not to steal their forum content, their plans, to record FC rage, neither to steal from their hangars, bump out titans nor to drop their Sov. I was after their recipe of success. How could a bunch of “rifter retards” steamroll the oldest and “most elite” alliances? The red zone on the map is HBC/CFC land (I included Esoteria as their owners don’t even resist the invasion).

The black is NPC land. The rest is everyone else:



The 60B was well spent. It allowed me not just to be there (clean account would be enough for that), but draw attention to my posts, let me actively poke every hole, stirring the hornets. To know someone, you must fight him. So I went to the forums and fought.

What I found is great. The recipe not only apply to Goons (CFC), but it’s completely technical. I mean “be welcoming to newbies” is a philosophical advice. You can believe that you are welcoming while the newbies disagree. The “anchor a can to newbie systems advertising” is a technical advice, leaves no place for opinions, you either anchored cans or you didn’t.

The recipe permeates the TEST culture. They are clearly aware of it, even if just at an unconscious level. They named their logo (Middle Management Dino) after it.

Their most often recited running joke tells how to fully implement it. If they’d take that joke seriously, they’d win EVE defeating/assimilating everyone else including CFC in a few months. The members (not just the leaders) vehemently fight everyone in the forum who’d try to break it. It’s clearly dear to them, they love it, they live it, they just can’t put into words. They went as far as a feeling, loving social person can go. To put it into cold, mean, heartless words, it needs an anti-social, 47%-hating guy who kicked people from his WoW-guild for saying “lol”, who dislikes Ayn Rand for shunning initiating force, who gathered downvotes in TEST forum faster than anyone else in its history.

Type “middle management” into google and you get countless of economy articles how to get rid of them. Middle Management is considered a fat to the company, nothing but a dead weight sitting between those who make the decisions and those who do the work. They are the “boss” figures of comedies who are being bossy, abusing their power and make the life (and performance) of their subordinates worse just for their own amusement. Modern organizations try to empower even the lowest level of white collar workers and the foreman of the blue-collars, letting them use their own creativity, letting their ideas reach the decision makers.

In EVE the fleets operate on coalition levels. More than ten thousand of pilots are acting for the same goal. They win together or lose together. Their job is technical and while they might need experts to guide them (FCs, wiki writers), they don’t need to be checked, disciplined, enforced, in a video game they play for fun and can quit any time. Even worse, in a video game where they can go back to highsec and be more rich.

Yet EVE Online has probably the biggest amount of middle management: the corporation CEOs and their trusted staff. An average EVE corporation is around 100 members. If we assume 3-4 directors, that means that there are about a middle manager for every 20 members. What do they do? Absolutely nothing useful. They don’t make strategic plans, alliance or rather coalition military directorate does that. They don’t lead fleets, fleet commanders do that. They don’t gather reimbursement wallet, the alliance does that. What they do is living on corp tax and hazing the members like mean seniors the new students. They are supported by their inner circle and by the already “initiated” members who made themselves believe that their tribulations had any other purpose than amusing a bunch of nerds.

It’s not that they are evil or even “mean”. If a corporation is not part of a larger entity (like a WH or pirate corp), then its leaders are top managers and obviously useful and busy. But in nullsec coalitions all this work is done in alliance/coalition level, leaving them no responsibilities. Power corrupts, boredom makes one mean and we now have a full class that cannot do anything, but they have power to kick a player from the coalition.

When I got in TEST, I got in a random corp. Due to my 60B immunity I could mostly ignore it (and by doing so, almost ignored the recipe itself), but I seen its complete uselessness. The corp members contributed to the coalition goals, some of the leaders were coalition experts, but the corp as an organization contributed nothing. I won’t name and shame them exactly because not the particular guys were especially bad, it was the corp itself being completely without function. What I almost ignored is the stream of eve-mails “suggesting” members to participate in a financially horrible plan that would provide “the corp” income that they openly planned to use on a “corp capital cache”, meaning a bunch of dreads for the inner circle. What I couldn’t ignore is that they started demanding Full API keys even for my highsec characters which would make my complete business easy target. So (with some drama), I left them and moved to Dreddit.


Dreddit
is the core corporation of TEST. It has 4200 members, manages the towers, (obviously) provides the most PvP kills. And I’ve seen zero middle managers in Dreddit. No one asked for full api (not just from me, from no one), no one bossed around, no one demanded “to be a team player” (give resources to the leaders), no one wanted to include anyone into any social activity they didn’t want. I unironically believe that Dreddit is the best corp of EVE (I can’t talk about Goonwaffe as I haven’t seen it from inside). As a member of Dreddit, you can mind your business and no one notices you as long as you don’t do something harmful. The management of Dreddit is completely done by automatized software. You add your limited API key to the auth system, you apply to groups, you check if your skills are OK for capitals, you apply for reimbursement only interacting with a software.

Are Dreddit leaders and experts who get your applications and requests via the software are superhumans? Are they without flaws or malice? Far from it, some of them are horrible forum haters. It’s unlikely that their average “goodness” is higher than the same quality of an average corp leader. But you are no one to them. They cannot know 4200 people, they have no reason to unfairly support or harm you, you are just another entry in the list to be processed. Dreddit is the perfectly de-humanized, automatized, a-social corp, unless you explicitly ask for social attention. Because of this it is a great social place as you are free to associate with people you call friends, instead of some guy giving you 30-200 random nerds and tell you “they are your clan now and I am your clan leader”.

What miracle formed Dreddit and Goonwaffe? The external communities behind them created a huge influx of players who wanted to be together, in the same corporation. They simply grown too fast to allow closed social circles to form and fragment the whole.

How is Dreddit capable of projecting its properties to the totally average EVE corps of HBC (PL is exception, they are PL) despite being only 20% of it (4200 men Dreddit, 20K+ HBC)? Dreddit is simply the biggest. The various corps didn’t form TEST, they joined with Dreddit which was 20-30x bigger than them. It was obvious that the CEO of Dreddit leads TEST, the others just tag along. The coalition is lead not by master-pet commands but simply going first. TEST deploys and the others are free to follow or not. Of course if they don’t, they miss out on the fun and due to their size their options to run operations without TEST are very limited (again, PL is exception).

How could HBC turn into a galaxy-eater monster? Simply by taking the variations of the No1 running joke seriously. This joke is adding a “Kick X_corp” to random posts, usually targeting ENL-I , the second biggest TEST corporation. The joke exists in “Kick X_alliance” version, most popularly mentioning Thorn alliance. The joke is so widespread that one of the TEST corporations is called “Kick B0RT” (B0RT is the nickname of Dreddit). The proper action would be to
kick all of the corporations and reorganize the members into B0RT2 and B0RT3, lead by TEST director alts (6000 corp size cap). Then reorganize the other HBC alliances into 1-1 corp each of them having their former alliance leaders as corp leaders. Finally join all these large corps (including B0RT and clones) into the alliance “HoneyBadgers”. Obviously the new mega-corps would be managed by the same automatic software as Dreddit itself, replacing the huge middle management staff that now runs the hundreds of corporations.

How could any other coalition form a force that can fight back HBC/CFC? Since they don’t have a Dreddit/Goonwaffe of their own, they must make it by disbanding all their alliances and corporations and forming one huge corp, managed similarly. The leaders should be the 5-10 top leaders of the current coalition. They will need lot of experts (like FCs), but won’t need middle management. By merging 50 corporations, each of them having 100 members into one 5000 men corp, you remove 200-250 hazing, annoying, bossing funsuckers from positions of power.

Why the recipe is evil? Because it says that the most social members, the ones who hold little “families” together are actually just dead weight and the coalition would be better off demoting them into simple members (in some cases to experts). Still, the evidence is obvious, the two strongest coalitions, both rising from rifter newbies are centered around a no-middle-management supercorp.

The middle managers are often included to the inner circles, and some of them are also useful experts. To implement the recipe fully, these 200-250 inner circle members who are so certain of their own importance must be told that from now on you are just another line member. They wouldn’t be happy about it at all, mostly because they are completely unaware of their useless and harmful nature, they genuinely think that they work hard to keep their corporations running and without them the coalition would fail. I seriously doubt that even Montolio or The Mittani have the power to dethrone the hundreds of middle managers littering their EVE coalitions. Maybe a new community, starting from scratch. But I doubt that anyone will bother. The nastiest part is that those who bothered to do organization work but lacked the skills to climb to alliance/coalition directorate are exactly the ones we are talking about: the middle managers.

There is no business report as it’s stupid to collect pixel money in a game I’ll stop playing with 99% chance. When I logged in to evacuate my characters to highsec I just stared at the screen and logged off. Which nullsec corporation could I go after this post, openly telling that the leaders of that corp are just dead weight, holding their coalitions back?

– Gevlon Goblin

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65 Comments

  1. qweq

    So you've stopped playing EvE?

    Or are you now a bitter vet?

    November 23, 2012 at 8:47 am Reply
    1. bitternoob

      More bitterboob disease. :)

      November 23, 2012 at 11:44 am Reply
  2. SgtSimons

    this is actually a super informative article.

    November 23, 2012 at 8:48 am Reply
    1. Luwc

      how informative do you consider it.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:32 pm Reply
      1. love

        super

        November 27, 2012 at 1:28 am Reply
  3. ddd

    can i have your stuff?

    November 23, 2012 at 8:59 am Reply
  4. Saudi

    Sounds like "If North Korea hat unlimited resources .. like the EVE universe does .. it would be a fun place to live" .. wait .. Saudi Arabia has that.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:57 am Reply
  5. minimee

    Tl;Dr; version:
    * Payed 20B to join Test
    * Begining with that he spied on there organization, (witch for the fact wasn't hidden) "LOL".
    * Telling everyone how to run an alliance by removing the only social thing there is (Corps) without any big knowlege about corps etc.
    * decided to leave Test –> Highsec with risk of evac and no visible gains. then changed to decided to leave Eve.

    My biggest reflection of why your totally wrong in how to run an alliance is
    a# the thing that binds most players to the game is the social part of the game. Corps are the backbone of this! Alliances comes and goes but your corp and your mates stay often the same.

    No whats needed to beat CFC or HBC is basicly some Newbee corps thats used as recruitment ground for the bigger alliances and someone that binds them i think N3 got a promising start and if they add a newbee corp each and activly trying to get new players in to the fights.
    lets compare 200 rifters ~ 5m each is 1b in total
    with 15 Drakes ~ 80m each is 1.2b in total.
    witch is more efficent for your isk? i would say 200 rifters.
    this is why CFC or HBC is winning ground … they have numbers.
    Don't be afraid of the newplayer let him join and let him die in fire give him new ships to die in and tell him how to play.

    but hey thats my opinion now i don't have to hear your bad judgment anymore here *thank good for that*

    November 23, 2012 at 10:02 am Reply
    1. zef

      N3 got a couple newbie corps :)
      T2N got a couple academy corps
      Nexus is basicaly a really cool newbie alliance

      there are options out there :)

      November 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm Reply
      1. Draco

        I'm still a relative Newbie member of NEXUS, but here's my understanding of the basic history…

        1) Critical Mass created, has many lol fights over many years using kitchen sink fleets, fortunes come and go, but never truly one of the big powers.

        2) Some point the training corp known as Running With Knifes is made, Alliance is called NEXUS.

        3) Someone hits on the idea of a fleet based on rifter to hurricanes training plan could work well.

        4) Plan implemented and massive recruitment drive pushed and pushed. (is still being pushed!).

        5) Surprise surprise, NEXUS has no lack of Rifters and as the training plan starts getting followed, a larger and larger hurricane fleet starts to develop.

        6) Nuli has chat with high ups in NEXUS, N3 is formed.

        7) Eve domination? :)

        NEXUS isn't just newbies, we have guys in dreds and stuff, but we have -alot- of new members, with the old guard typically taking on teaching roles and FCing. The nice thing is, there some very good internal systems to work your way up the ranks and lots of realistic targets to aim for. We also treat new guys pretty dam well.

        November 27, 2012 at 10:57 am Reply
    2. Ugh

      I think his point about the corps is more so that in TEST the boundaries between corps are extremely small to nonexistent in some. Very few corps run corp only ops or anything like that constantly which excludes other members of the alliance. They do happen but does they should happen to an extent. Other alliances the corps act as completely separate entities until they have to work together. They tend to feel like they aren't even in the same alliance at times because they don't open their activities up to other corps. Obviously removing corps would be an awful idea but running an alliance where the walls around each corp are so high is just as bad of an idea.

      November 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm Reply
    3. I love pandas

      +1

      November 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm Reply
    4. Pathfinder

      yes yes and yes.

      1)Capture the new pilot because…..

      2)Eve is a Game.

      3)Eve is a complex game.

      4)The new pilot needs help understanding the complex game.

      if you are a CEO at any level. I would highly highly suggest you read lines 1-4 over and over again until it sinks in.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm Reply
  6. HBC Spy

    You didn't noticed one important thing.
    Put spy's to new test renters – read , corps that without Test, PL cannot hold ground.
    In them there is big a pressure to provide corp in USD or equal amount of isk … just to pay for the safe nullsec.
    All things are being there calculated to USD/h , on one forum i found informations how to be paid like regular Wal-mart employee … but in eve, doing rats/mining etc.
    Someone is doing good business on HBC gaining grounds , in a way that CCP will never be able to prove any thing.
    The real money don't touch the game directly at any point.

    Do i have a prof, non real – i cannot hack to someone else account.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:47 am Reply
    1. love

      if this is real corroborate it. Tin Foil idiot. Conjecture has no place in small news community.

      November 27, 2012 at 1:31 am Reply
    2. Sold

      What is this trash? I'm in tribe and none of this crap is even remotely based on any facts at all.

      November 27, 2012 at 5:17 am Reply
  7. Guest

    in this wall of well thought our processed wall of text it strikes me that you missed the biggest point in eve.
    to have fun.
    you have fun in the right corp.
    its the small things,the silly jokes,the attitude,the help and the friends inside a corp that makes eve…fun.

    if your not having fun then what is the point.
    And this might come as a shock but not everyone in eve cares what you wrote about test or cfc they arent the sun in ever pods life.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:52 am Reply
  8. vigilanta

    you have completly missed the point of playing video games.. lol

    That and you have very little understanding of corps, jsut because thats how the corps are in test, doesn't mean thats hwo they are everywhere.

    Also, you keep citing PL, which is organized not at all like test, you have defeated yoru own argument.. lol

    November 23, 2012 at 11:06 am Reply
  9. Shattershark

    Some people don't really understand that economics and organizational theory are not the same. Being good at any field of economics doesn't mean that you are automatically qualified to judge how firms (in this case corps and alliances) are ought to be ran.

    Instead of showing how custom-built software and web services can be used to improve communication, automate routine tasks and harden management structure against incompetence, accidents or sabotage, author writes on and on and on about middle management being Teh Evil. Maybe I've missed a point somewhere, but then I blame incomprehensible writing style.

    November 23, 2012 at 11:35 am Reply
    1. love

      stopped reading after "ought to be ran"

      November 27, 2012 at 1:29 am Reply
  10. goon

    he stopped playing the game because he realised that he got recruitment scammed and paid 60 bil to join TEST?

    November 23, 2012 at 11:38 am Reply
  11. iskbot#1337

    solar fights side by side with CFC … so the right side of the map is also red

    November 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm Reply
  12. Wilsonius

    So you got recruitment scammed for 60 bil, and tried to justify it to yourself

    November 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm Reply
  13. lol goblin

    Yeah, just quit eve and go cap the currency limit on some other game. You won´t be missed. At least then we don´t have to deal with your downright retarded blogposts anymore.

    November 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm Reply
  14. Luwc

    GAAAY POOST U SUUUUCK

    wait you are not riverini , in that case.

    nice read !

    November 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm Reply
    1. Luwc

      it made me laugh.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm Reply
  15. Luwc

    Hello fine sir , I also corrected your sov map !
    http://postimage.org/image/sljc0mfsl/

    please use this for correct sov showing !

    November 23, 2012 at 1:50 pm Reply
  16. bitternoob

    Ah yes, forgot:

    Can I have your stuff?

    November 23, 2012 at 2:28 pm Reply
  17. Aetna Stream

    As a former corp & alliance leader this is contrary to everything I have successfully practiced and observed from other alliances and corps. I've never ran approaching the 4200 members so it may be different at that size. However I find that most people who play MMOs have an overall hierarchy of needs. By offering a structure for people to progress through that hierarchy they will be more productive "middle management" and offer a more inviting environment to newer members.

    November 23, 2012 at 2:31 pm Reply
  18. Alx Warlord

    That is why CCP should do something against the blobbing…. the game over is so close… the only place that there is still hope is WH space… but not much….

    November 23, 2012 at 3:39 pm Reply
    1. Pathfinder

      bad boys bad boys what ya gonna do, what ya gonna do when we come for you…..

      choo choo, next stop WH space, hmm low sec…. high sec?? wait, gate guns are a bitch… okay okay you can have highsec.

      we take what we want, when we want… HBC

      the game is not broke, stop crying to CCP. Rally your allies. Form your own blobs.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:30 pm Reply
      1. Urziel99

        they have no friends.

        November 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm Reply
      2. IRC grunt

        We try but nobody wants to be out friends :(

        November 26, 2012 at 1:15 am Reply
  19. I love Pandas

    Test and goons operate their alliances like a big machine, and they do it pretty well to help noobs. But as soon as they start to lose sov (if) then they will fail cascade because these noobs have really no social ties to goons or test. When -A- loses their sov, they move to stain and then take it back. When Nulli and NCdot lose sov they take it somewhere else or start to play the game without sov (WHATTTT!?!?!?!). Yea without sov. Alliances with corps stick around even without nullsec cuz they like each other, you may see it as ineffecient from a business perspective, but eve isnt exaclty business and holding the most sov doesnt mean you win, it just means you pay more money per month then any other alliance in the game.

    November 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      "But as soon as they start to lose sov (if) then they will fail cascade "

      Actually if a variation of theabove quote is more true the REAL way to dissolve them is to take away the value of the SOV.
      TEST is right now running on debt financing I am told from goons TECH moons. If TECH bottleneck fell apart
      & goons could no longer afford to financially prop up TEST how long would they last ( unless TEST can immediately
      start renting out large swaths of the SOUTH) ?

      November 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm Reply
      1. Montolio

        All of our financial data is visible. Technetium is about 20% of our income right now, but our new renter program hasn't been factored into our financial spreadsheet yet. They aren't goons tech either, TEST owns and runs them.

        November 23, 2012 at 7:16 pm Reply
      2. Disto

        https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Alny

        We stopped losing money the moment -A- stopped undocking.

        November 28, 2012 at 1:44 pm Reply
    2. Urziel99

      "they will fail cascade because these noobs have really no social ties to goons or test."

      Dreddit and Goonwaffe recruit only from Reddit and Something Awful, meaning they already have ties.

      Smaller alliances in the CFC or HBC may lose some, but it takes more than a few newbies taking their ball and going home to failscade any sov holding alliance.

      November 24, 2012 at 10:10 pm Reply
      1. I love pandas

        Well those are the core of ther alliances… the others that are EVE affiliated players first are playing for themselves

        December 4, 2012 at 4:22 am Reply
    3. Alwayslaughaha

      Was it not about a year and a half ago that goonswarm lost all of their sov in delve querious and period basis? They seem to be doing just fine now.

      November 25, 2012 at 12:00 am Reply
  20. RA dude

    To make it short, the recipe for success is:
    1.) Make a blob
    2.) Make that blob uniform by removing inner decision makers (corp CEOs), so that in case someone decides to leave the blob, it's just him and a few of his buddies, not a few tens or hundreds of his corp members.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm Reply
  21. seriously

    Sounds like you think you've figured out eve, yet you haven't spent any time doing what so many people in eve love. Blowing other peoples shit up. Go pvp, then report back.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:23 pm Reply
  22. QQ more

    Now this is a nice supply of tears.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:34 pm Reply
  23. Ming Tso

    Gevlon has Aspergers.

    He cannot feel appreciation or sympathy from anyone else, or for anyone else.

    This is why he posts like he does. And why nobody likes him.

    We, in TEST, understand this. This is why we haven't kicked him out yet.

    Because everyone needs friends. Even if they are utterly incapable of understanding friendship in favor of other metrics of success.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
  24. Poll

    Its a much greater benefit for entities like TEST to not have good corp CEOs but to try to maintain order at the alliance level.

    I've noticed it recently with friends that corps dont seem to matter so much now. My corp has become like that whereby everything we do comes from alliance level ppl. It sux tbh, and weakens loyalty to the corp, but strengthens it to the alliance. This is exactly what the likes of TEST want. This way it dont matter who you piss off in a corp. Chances are reduced loyalty will mean the corp fragments rather than leaving as a whole.

    I'm not optimistics about the next 12-18months for Null-Sec. I'm just praying that something major happens that shakes things up in a big way. Otherwise, I'll be either unsubbing or trying out life in a WH.

    Plus, what happened to all this space communism when I'm hearing ISK payments needed for various apsects revolving around sov and ratting space – this just propaganda?

    November 23, 2012 at 5:11 pm Reply
  25. Karbox Delacroix

    So Gevlon, what's next? Paying to join Eve-Uni?

    November 23, 2012 at 9:46 pm Reply
  26. Saapiite

    But,as i said, i don't want to band up with over 9000 thousand other dumbasses. I want to play a different eve.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:36 pm Reply
    1. Iga Angel

      Exactly!!!!!!

      November 24, 2012 at 12:22 pm Reply
  27. lol

    your stuff, can I has it?

    November 24, 2012 at 1:13 am Reply
  28. Gumpin

    I think this guy payed for, and still plays, cow clicker.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker

    November 24, 2012 at 1:32 am Reply
  29. FA grunt

    Clearly this guy has no expirence in theses matters middle management has the ear of the grunts so as long as middle management has the respect of the leadership the grunts will follow…..,I am a former CEO and current middle management figure……there has to be someone always reinforcing leadership

    November 24, 2012 at 4:03 am Reply
    1. FA grunt

      Also want to add the only reason why the hbc and goons are powerful is because the rest of eve are pussies. No one wants to take on the big kids on the bloc so they are fighting among themselves come out of hi sec do damage then go home show us that our elitist asses don't mean shit (goons) and our retarded minds do not belong in hi sec (test)

      November 24, 2012 at 4:08 am Reply
      1. masterochi

        Yes, the blob mentailty works. You have a few good players telling a few thousand others how to fit, where to go and ehen to log in. The thousands are getting better but they could not rule null sec without the ten or so leaders who really understand the game mechanics of how to dominate the sov rules and the in-game economy.

        So, hats off to Wibla and Mitt, without them CFC and Goons would be a foot note in Eve history.

        November 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm Reply
  30. shadoo

    <shadoo> Greetings my fellow Honeybadgers,

    Some people have said that you can't actually win a game like Eve because
    it is far too open ended. We honeybadgers do not subscribe to that
    philosophy. Earlier today I was given a top secret assignment to kick off
    what is to be our final military deployment. I have succeeded in my mission
    and I bring to you news from what will be our final front line:

    DED Sovereignty claim Acknowledgment: XDTW-F
    From: CONCORD
    Sent: 2012.11.20 06:57

    Many more TCUs will be coming online all across the drone regions over the
    next few hours. By leaving systems unclaimed Solar has made a critical
    mistake and allowed us to gain a foothold in their home. Let nothing stand
    in our way, the drone regions will burn to the ground. The CFC and HBC will
    soon complete our goal of complete and utter control of all nullsec.

    I would like to thank everyone who have been participating in fleet ops for
    making this dream come true. We are about to actually win Eve and no one
    can stop us."

    November 24, 2012 at 6:34 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      So the big alliance have their eyes turned towards the drone regions? Expect alot of small gang harassment

      November 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm Reply
      1. heuheuheu

        from a bunch of no bodys? ahh ok

        November 25, 2012 at 4:32 am Reply
  31. maru

    Corp CEOs can play a valuable role in encouraging resource mobilization to alliance ends. Monocorp-centric alliances, like TEST and (seemingly less so these days) GSF simply have so much manpower available that they do not need to maximize HR utilization. Even if only some 10% of their member base is participating, that's still leagues beyond what most other entities can bring to the table, no matter their degree of effective mobilization. They can get away with sloppiness on this front.

    Despite these two entities' skill at utilizing the material resources available to them, they have – quite consciously, I would imagine – sacrificed efficiency in personnel mobilization for greater centralization of authority. In a perfect world where all corp leadership is motivated, on-board with alliance objectives, and active, some twenty 200-man corps that exercise closer engagement with their membership would almost certainly be able to put more bodies into fleets than one 4000-man corp. That said, we do not live in a perfect world, and every single extra corp you add into the mix is an additional point of potential failure, just like any other complex machine.

    There are pros and cons for both approaches.

    November 24, 2012 at 8:17 pm Reply
  32. Random Miner

    How can you write an article like that, showing such concern for eve, and discussing how things could be done better… and then end it "fuck it, I'm out" ?

    November 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
    1. love

      he doesn't care, he took one loot at your game, called it dumb, and left.

      November 27, 2012 at 1:23 am Reply
  33. blafaselfarz

    Wow, what a fantastic spy. Almost everyone knows Gevlon Goblin = Greedy Goblin.
    Except Dreddit. But it´s nothing new the are full of idiots.

    November 25, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
    1. lulz

      We all know who he is, it doesn't matter.

      What I think is funny is his lack of focus on Jabber as the main tool holding the HBC together. Many of us are on mumble for less than an hour a day, but we are on Jabber all the time except when we sleep. Even when we're at work, we don't talk much, but we read it on breaks, etc.

      Jabber is what makes the HBC and TEST a community.

      November 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm Reply
  34. Ynglaur

    TL;DR
    Got scammed for 20B ISK (or maybe 60B ISK…it's hard to tell). Didn't realize I got scammed. Remain convinced of my own infallibility, and continue to laud my WoW accomplishments.
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    November 27, 2012 at 3:43 am Reply
  35. CareBearStares

    So… anyone else thinks Goblin has a really mean middle management boss in real life?

    November 27, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply
  36. The guy

    knows nothing about eve, its quite apparent.

    November 30, 2012 at 11:42 pm Reply
  37. -A- FC

    This is mad.. paying isk to join any corp in eve? Mad. Paying billions to join test.. truly awful.

    This doesn't surprise me:
    'in Dreddit. No one asked for full api.'
    We all know a good % of this corp are spies or alts used to directly spy on fleets/ exploit or just to plain rat in delve.

    So middle management in eve.. they do nothing, they apparently don't glue decent corps together, none of them FC none of them run reimbursement, training, fun events deal with renters do investment or logistics or run POSs and sov.. None of them bind corps together or do anything more then bottom feed and skim isk.

    Wow you have apparenlty been in some truly terrible corps, and now you have claimed to have been in dreddit which is arguably the worst biggest most dehumanising corp in EVE.

    The fact it also has the worst FCs in the history of EVE which is fully dependent on PL for funding and military command is also hilarious.

    So is this 'news' some kinda terrible troll or just a waste of time to read?

    December 1, 2012 at 10:47 pm Reply

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