When word leaked out from Eve Skunk that Against ALL Authorities fleet commander Lee Chanka cancelled a call to arms due to CCP banning 20 -A- logistics accounts one couldn’t help but wonder if the Eve mail was just a troll.  A look at the price on illicit ISK in Eve Online since that email on 31 October strongly suggests that has taken action against at least one major RMT operation in New Eden and perhaps more.

At first glance the price appears to have not increased very much.  Using the list of companies listed on MMOBUX as a guide, the median price of 1 billion ISK only rose from $22.00 to $22.50, an increase easily attributable to increased demand as the winter expansion Retribution approaches. The 2.2% increase in the cost of illicit ISK corresponded with a 2% decrease in the real-world decrease in the cost of ISK when buying PLEX through CCP and then converting the PLEX to ISK in the Jita market.  But a closer look shows that some companies are having difficulty acquiring new product.

Fully 1 in 5 websites listed on MMOBUX were selling ISK at a higher price that someone could purchase the same amount by just purchasing 2 PLEX from CCP and selling the PLEX in Jita.  Three weeks ago that number was 1 in 8.  One of the big selling points of purchasing virtual currency via a third party site is obtaining a cost savings.  How can an RMT company stay in business if they charge more than the game company?  That could explain why two of the four websites selling ISK at above market rates on 28 October are no longer online.

Looking at the 26 websites listed on MMOBUX on 28 October that are still listed today, nine of the companies raised their prices an average of 15.7%.  Two of the larger companies in the virtual gold selling industry, Avatar Bank and Koala Credits, were hit especially hard.  Koala Credits raised its prices 7.8% in the days following the leak of Lee Chanka’s Eve mail.  Avatar Bank apparently was hit a few days later with a major disruption in supply as the company had raised its rates by 18.5% by 11 November.  Apparently another suppy disruption occurred within the last few days because both websites raised their rates to over $29 per 1 billion ISK yesterday.  Over the last three weeks Koala Credits have raised prices 27.9% and Avatar Bank by 21.1%.

One of CCP Sreegs’ stated objectives is to make operating in Eve financially unattractive to botters and ISK sellers.  This latest offensive against illicit RMT operations succeeded in that regard as one web site, InGameDelivery, no longer sells ISK.  That move came sometime between 4 November and 11 November.  One of the interesting facts I discovered while investigating this story is that InGameDelivery is associated with Avatar Bank.  Apparently when Avatar Bank found ISK in short supply the decision was made to cut off InGameDelivery.

During my time playing Eve Online I have often heard the phrase “winter is coming” when discussing when war would begin in null sec.  For those whom CCP Stillman and CCP Sreegs warned about turning their alliances into RMT operations, winter is apparently here.

– NosyGamer

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  1. leetnessmonster

    CCP- using the butterfly effect to spread tears to all RMTers

    November 19, 2012 at 7:26 pm Reply
  2. not ur concern

    lee chanka is no more in -A- newb..

    November 19, 2012 at 7:44 pm Reply
    1. Nowhere did it say that he was still in -A-. The alleged ban actions against -A- and the subsequent cancellation of an op occurred a couple of weeks ago when he still was though. This is what's being reported.

      November 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm Reply
  3. TEST scum

    a few days ago one of the ads on this site was for RMT.
    Ironic right?

    November 19, 2012 at 10:12 pm Reply
    1. PandemicHeathen

      Aren't the ads specific to what you have been viewing on the net?? ie; cookies??

      November 19, 2012 at 11:24 pm Reply
      1. If they are Google adverts then yes they use history of searches in the main Google search engine to deliver tailored adverts to the users…

        November 19, 2012 at 11:49 pm Reply
        1. Renan Ruivo

          As far as i know AdSense does not work with anything ilicit such as e-gold trading. I work with AdSense over 6 different blogs i own, and Google is THE most by-the-books ad service on the world.

          Still, they don't have exclusivity over the capabilities of the AdSense programs. Other programs work the same way, and what they do is not only read your cookies but also read the post on the blog and display relevant ads.

          I.E if the post was talking about RMT, said ad programs will display RMT ads. It's not all cookie digging (yummy).

          November 20, 2012 at 1:29 am Reply
          1. TheOfferer

            Yes it does. I have personally reported a couple of them to Google, but don't know if they were removed from the program or not.

            It even shows some weird results sometimes. For example, I have "Do not Track Plus" and "AdBlock" extensions installed installed in Chrome, but sometimes I use a "clean" Opera (takes up less memory). If I open eveboard, for example, it will show "Flight lessons" ads (because the page mentions "pilots" and "navigation") or some online weapons dealer ("gunnery"). I'm surely not visiting flight school websites or weapons sellers. 😐

            November 20, 2012 at 10:57 pm
  4. U know who

    making a supply and demand argument to link -A- to large scale RMT when you can't collect accurate data on neither supply ( its a black market and ccp doesn't give specifics on bans that have occurred pre or prior to Chanka's mail).

    did it occur to you that a new patch is coming out and that it could have generated increased demand for ISK upon a unchanged supply?

    Or that the individuals supposedly banned in -A- we apart of a much broader sweep?

    I'd like to propose that every time I piss in the morning I cause the sun to rise.

    November 19, 2012 at 10:17 pm Reply
  5. Hugo

    Honestly, these claims are thin! You have only the price changes for Avatar Bank? If Lee Chanka was working for Avatar Bank, that means he was/is part of a group RMTing in many MMOs?

    I could back you up with material, kills of bots, which were in his corp. It was obvious for years, that his corp was botting – and CCP did nothing. Countless petitions, many players tried to shut them down by petitions. These guys cheated so many years and they are still in the game with their mains. They make CCP Sreegs look like a fool, if he shows up 1-3x a year to talk about, what he did to stop botters.

    But maybe the issue is more this way: CCP bans bots, but if they never sue the company, who runs i.e. Avatar bank, these guys will never stop and have always the rescources to come back, if they feel, they are again low profile enough for the next RMT op?

    November 19, 2012 at 10:18 pm Reply
    1. screech


      Lee Chanka is just an FC. He asked the logistics team to provide him material and ships on alliance contracts in a certain location (Fountain to be precise) at a certain date for a few days op. Then PL organized a metagame attack and reported what -A- logistics accounts they knew of to CCP for RMT and CCP did a preemtive ban while it investigated. This in essence ruined that op since the material and ships were not available at that date in that place. Lee then reported this in the mail. The -A- logistic accounts in question were freed in about a week or so after the investigation showed nothing. And to tell the truth, one would really have to be retarded to do RMT with alliance logistics toons which make the logistics of an alliance run. It would be the equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot with a bazooka.
      Still , it also give an important tip to metagamers. If you want, you can make someone's life a misery for a while by reporting him for botting or RMTing. He'll get temporarily banned until things get sorted, giving you possibly a strategic advantage. Nothing will happen to the person who did the fake report, CCP will take no action against him.

      Regarding what has been said in the article, there has indeed been a RMT ring broken recently, belonging to Horus aka A PUPPETMASTER. It happened a few days prior to the TJA failcascade, he got a few dozen accounts banned and quite some ISK confiscated. However, it did not really touch his operation that much, by his own admission. But it might have been the reason why TJA got expeled by the HBC, maybe CCP contacted Monty (as they stated they would be contacting alliance leaderships in the future) to have him get rid of him. But here I'm just speculating, it's much more probable that the split was over something else entirely, especially since Horus has a second botting operation in Tribe…

      November 20, 2012 at 11:15 am Reply
      1. juststopit

        too bad your story has only one little flaw. Many players, who were with Lee Chanka and his boys in North before, as blue or red – today I m more like "blue really?" when it happens from time to time – saw him defing his bots, when we hunted and killed them.

        There is no PL conspiracy, Dont embarrass yourself. Who do you think, believes you that story anyways? That is rediculous. Everybody who saw your PVE actions closer saw other things, whether it used to be in North or Immensea.

        I also love one of your last try to spin. Test got contacted to expel TJA. Lets look, who left AAA:

        Tropa = known for botting
        KOB4EG = just lol

        Now we spin a conspiracy theory. What if CCP said to AAA: "we know things go wrong in your Team – but these 2- they not leave, you will be in trouble. they are too obvious."

        I doubt that. I think this version is more realistic: AAA found out these 2 corps were too much competition for the establishment in AAA.

        November 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm Reply
        1. foo

          so latest news has all account unbanned, CCP providing pretty substantial PLEX for the guy whose accounts got banned and Senior GM under investigation within CCP. This is getting juicy.

          November 20, 2012 at 10:50 pm Reply
      2. NullSecHoBo

        That's a convenient excuse, but CCP doesn't "preemptively ban" accounts on suspicion of RMT-ing. Are you retarded? Can you imagine how many accounts would be banned that way if CCP banned first and asked questions later? Everyone and their mother would be reporting everyone else for RMTing.

        Got caught with yer hands in the cookie jar, and how you squeal..

        November 20, 2012 at 10:46 pm Reply
  6. Lolz

    Bad article based on even worse statistics.

    November 20, 2012 at 5:01 am Reply
    1. Random CFC Grunt

      Your accounts unbanned yet?

      November 20, 2012 at 8:40 am Reply
  7. sameoldcrap

    well wot i find funny theres still blatant people, alliance's who are using bots either for rmting or to gain a unfair advantage and nothing is being done. jus the on -a-. if this was suppose to be fair then ccp would look else where but they wont cause they would lose a portion of there players. so they are jus hitting the small guys. kinda pathetic tbh. get real ccp maybe losing some tards would make the game come bearable to play again. fyi not a -a- grunt, jus a vet would is getting bored of promises that are never held up

    November 20, 2012 at 8:53 am Reply
  8. Tribal RMT involved

    Thranodi and Gummi Worm botter and questor developers http://evewho.com/corp/Blood+and+Sand

    November 20, 2012 at 9:01 am Reply
  9. Baddies being bad

    Prob 10x more isk RMT'd from Tech Moon isk then from any bots :)

    November 20, 2012 at 9:53 am Reply
  10. Asator

    An account hours and hours online day after day after day ratting or mining should at least get some red alerts. Also those billion dollar kills in highsec and nullsec should be verified. Like the 210 billion atron "caught" at a nullsec gate wihout a cloak or even a prop mod.

    Using killnet is such an easy way to catch a few to say the least.

    Thers hundreds of bots in eve. most of them known for ages. While in the drone reg we petitioned a ratting tengu that was being run by a botting program. Result? Nada. Kinda get the impression that sometimes they dont want botters to get caught cause of some sort of dark moronic interest.

    November 20, 2012 at 10:05 am Reply
    1. BOT

      Just cos you tried to kill a Tengu and couldn't doesn't mean it is a bot. Its very easy for CCP to catch bots. Do you think there are any bots running that can mimic a hums input to the keyboard including interaction with other players? This would require the world most sophisticated program that mimic human intelligence accurately, it doesn't and wont exist. CCP already knows about every bot in EvE, there are probably far fewer then you think.

      Only the most stupid of person would try to BOT or someone who is giving up on EvE anyway. There is no one at all who gets away with it, as long as CCP doesn't want them to.

      November 20, 2012 at 11:10 am Reply
  11. droljica

    Since there are only cca. 35-50k unique accounts, because all those vets and pro null players do have at least 3-5 additional accounts, market is pretty… tight. Best rmt years, for aaa and pl. were 2008/09, now its only shadow what it used to be.

    And ccp, well they are like their CS, slow and kinda dumb, but eventually they do something good, even if it takes 2-3 years.

    November 20, 2012 at 10:20 am Reply
  12. BOT

    Just cos you tried to kill a Tengu and couldn't doesn't mean it is a bot. Its very easy for CCP to catch bots. Do you think there are any bots running that can mimic a humans input to the keyboard including interaction with other players? This would require the world most sophisticated program that mimic human intelligence accurately, it doesn't and wont exist. CCP already knows about every bot in EvE, there are probably far fewer then you think.

    Only the most stupid of person would try to BOT or someone who is giving up on EvE anyway. There is no one at all who gets away with it, as long as CCP doesn't want them to.

    November 20, 2012 at 11:32 am Reply
    1. juststopit

      and whats with all the Tengus, who log in exactly 20 % armor (nice, so I can probe the pods also, thanks)?

      Or when I try 20x again and again – a sane REAL player would stay in the POS with his PVE ship or form a PVP gang. A bot has not such a common sense. Guys like you probably tried to set these bots up and try to claim now they would be controlled by real persons, honestly … I swear …

      Yea right… muhahaha …

      November 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm Reply
  13. -.-

    I love how everytime nowdays there is talk about rmt, everyone is pointing fingers on AAA and theyr 20 banned logistics accounts. Noone seems to know or care that those bans were false, and none of those accounts got really banned.

    So, i have to say, this is one of those Nosy Gamers posts that just make no sence since it's mostly based on a lie.

    November 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm Reply
  14. foreveralone

    stupid argument

    November 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm Reply
  15. yes

    Another quasi post attempting to look serious by adding charts, while having no clue.

    1. Fluctuations of isk prices are normal, and they do follow certain trends, while disruptions of RMT operations like Kraal's does not affect anything, because of large reserves of isk. He can not be disrupted as bans are calculated losses, and bots are distributed over EVE.

    2. As we know, you can make someone life miserable by reporting him for EULA violations, abusing the way lazy/biased GM process requests by giving no fucks and presuming guilty, unless victim starts writing shitload of petitions.
    PL used this exploit to prevent -A- logistics to deliver ships for partisan attack on Fountain.

    3. Maliciously misinterpreting Lee's mail you accuse him of RMT which is despicable. Go write articles on <the other news site.com>

    November 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm Reply
  16. juststopit

    Mr AAA-I-want-look-innocent-Poster plz just stop! Nobody will believe you, when you claim, you would be the victims in this one.

    It is embarrassing. You look like a dumb villager in old stalinistic Russia. who believed in the old Soviet propaganda. We live in 2012, we talk about Eve. Everybody, who roams around in former or soon former AAA space could see the bots. Join AAA Citizens, see more bots on the inside – and awoxxers know it too. You know, Awoxxers would not be such a huge problem to you, if there were real persons controlling these ano ratters or ice miners. Real persons are smarter than PI and can react, if something unexpected happens.

    November 20, 2012 at 4:09 pm Reply
  17. -A- FC

    Lee Chanka is also responsible for the current attacks in Gaza and Israel because I mean that just happened too.

    This is pretty much slander. Just as well this wasn't real world where you have to do real journalism and check your facts. I heard better facts from the murdoch tablod press.

    So next time any FC from any alliance asks for assets to be moved for PVP against PL and test they can reported all our JF as RMTers just to be dicks.. and then also be slandered as being an RMTer?

    If you have 100% proof of RMT send it to CCP confirm it and then get the details posted up on here sure please do

    -A- hates RMT and many pilots took it on themselves to report/kill them when we see them.

    Can you prove 100% that your coalition has no RMT involved? Really prove it, No CCP has not given us the tools to stop it and it is their job to find them and ban them out of EVE.

    November 20, 2012 at 7:32 pm Reply
    1. Smiling Joe

      mmmm tears

      November 20, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
    2. NullSecHoBo

      In so far as the proof seems to have come from one of your erstwhile leadership and refers directly to -A- logistics accounts, I don't think it's incumbent on anyone else in eve to have to provide proof of -A- complicity in facilitating RMT-ing.

      November 20, 2012 at 10:38 pm Reply
  18. indy

    im tired of this propaganda fights and tears from both sides thinking that their alliance is forced to bot and RMT because thats what enemy alliances do and cry about feeling pushed to do it as well just to be able to compete.

    Here is my view- You don't have to be a genious to work out that there are two kinds of players in eve… ones who are lazy kids or who don't have the time or the brains to commit to eve like crazy and find it difficult to compete even if they grind their favorite anomaly for a whole day…

    and there are the guys who run 10 accounts+ each and/or try to organise a bunch of people to make isk on… and they are the kind who use some of their accounts to bot, they are the ones who use proxies and all… who run tenths of excell spreadsheets in the background and all

    the truth is though that not so many people play eve at all you know, its most obvious when you try to run start a new corp or just recruit in general, u will get 1 genuine person who wants to play the game in a normal way for every 8-9 chars that are spies but most importantly… probably alts of some of those hardcore gamers who ingage in RMT and booting as much as any other aspect of the game.

    Now the basic concept is that the number of those hardcore gamers is not that huge at all… likely around one or two hundred but their characters added up a huge proportion of the whole eve community and 'people online' at any given point in time on tranquility… now these hardcore eve'ers get in teams and then u have 5 or 10 of them providing a schemes and systems or frameworks for (or have some sort of influence over) a hundret or more of the normal players who struggle and need the help of those hardcoregames who are directors and ceos of their corps and alliances.

    uhh i could go on but dont want to write a book here… bottom line is- normal kind of players make up a half or less of the eve population and struggle ISKwise, the other ones are much fewer in number but make up the other (maybe larger) half of eve population that we see ingame and they organise big isk farms and isk laundry and shape up the game that we read about on this website soo…. wherever there is a big eve ingame organisation AAA PL Solar or what have you…. they all BOT and RMT in an organised way… some better than others… some get caught…. all take part in propaganda battles on sites like this one

    If your Alliance get caught and does not do well with isk nor with the propaganda, numbers will drop and u should be one of the first ones to quit that alliance… AAA is a good example of one of these alliances and they will not live much longer Goons (probably in conspiracy with TEST and maybe even PL and Solar) are clearly good at all of the above mentioned thus will have more members and will keep wining the game… its all very Real Life-like can't u see? thats what governments do… but instead of EN24 we have TV :) i remember the days when AAA like the Drone coalition and IT and Atlas and BOB before them seemed invincible like the Soviet Comunism or todays USA… they all eventualy explode and/or implode :) ahhh i could go on… nvm 😉

    November 20, 2012 at 10:48 pm Reply
    1. anoonymouse

      You make no sense whatsoever;

      "normal kind of players make up a half or less of the eve population and struggle ISKwise, the other ones are much fewer in number but make up the other (maybe larger) half of eve population that we see ingame and they organise big isk farms and isk laundry and shape up the game that we read about on this website"

      Dude, do you even maths?

      November 22, 2012 at 8:26 pm Reply
      1. indy

        do i even maths? what? an onny mouse troll score- 0/10 :)

        in case u r serious i do agree that the point is not well articulated in that paragraph but which bit doesn't make sense perhaps i can help you out a little with trying to understand it

        November 23, 2012 at 1:20 am Reply
  19. Makalu_Zarya

    All accounts that were banned for "RMT" were unbanned after a GM with some common sense looked at the situation…i'm sure someone here can provide you with our alliance mail to that effect.

    November 21, 2012 at 3:33 am Reply
    1. stfu scrub


      November 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm Reply
      1. Theng Hofses

        Why damage control? We reported that accounts were banned and that the actions of CCP were unwarranted. After a review process, CCP reversed its decision and provided compensation. If you remember we didn't go into a huge damage control hissy when it happened because we knew it would be reversed. And don't you think going into damage control 3 weeks after the temporary ban happened, would be a little bit too little, too late?

        Considering some post with an identifiable handle and some post with some untraceable pseudonym should alone give you an idea who is more credible.

        November 21, 2012 at 3:26 pm Reply
  20. _-A- Supporter

    All charges are dropped accounts return to full active duty. CCP False Positive and internal affairs is involved. Nice fucking meta game PL and HBC. Talk about fucking cheating former PL DEV bans and wins war in south and is using the false postive to save his job. EVE24 you need to investigate the real crime here and take this article Down

    November 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm Reply

    $$$$$ FIRST I was in -A- for 3 years and been playing this game for 6 so i know what i am talking about YES AAA LEADERSHIP RMT like ALL the other Russian alliance leadership !!! SOLAR, TEST,GOONS,RED ALLIANCE in this game there REAL RMTERS are the alliance leader the one that you never see in ship who does not even play the game !!! they are using all the game mechanic moon mining R64,renting system to more RMT-ing. but since ccp is banning many renters lol those same Russian are now selling super and titan For REAL MONEY !!! lol do u really thing that the map is the ways it is right now because of diplomatic war!!! lol and more lol that just a hand full of Russian (RMT-ers. ) that want to make more money on the back of the honest eve player !!! they should all be band for it and give back EVE to the real eve player…. just a hint !!! look at the corp that hold all the r64 moon in the alliance, it usually all the same corp for the RMTERS Alliance example RTSQ in -A- LOL and dont get me wrong test or goons are not better they are all the same they does not give a f… about you all they want is your isk !!! for them to make money $$$$$$$$$

    November 30, 2012 at 5:40 pm Reply
  22. It’s interesting to note the preorgssion of RMT laws in South Korea, which started with the shock ruling against NCSoft last year. The question of automation is one which has dampened any hope of legitimising RMT on any level for a long time, and it’s good to see than a moral judgement has finally been reached at a government level.Whether this will translate to a legitimisation of RMT in Europe and the US is another matter entirely. With publishers and developers working hard to stifle any third-party trade that doesn’t return coin to their coffers, it’s hard to see EU/US law makers supporting any attempt to open and regulate the industry for players to trade outside of publishers own services.It’ll be interesting to see how major publishers deal with this new law, as I can quite imagine that NCSoft and Blizzard (as well as others) may be against the idea of players making money from their games without forking over a fee to them.The battle continues!

    December 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm Reply

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