The following e-mail was sent to us this last Friday, pretty much written as a barricade speech for Red Alliance members, anyhow read on and enjoy the scoop. I am currently re-organizing Eve News24 beyond recognition, so sorry for the recent gap in Eve Online coverage. I will make out for it.

The war on Solar Fleet continues, and this is a serious challenge not only for RED but for the whole coalition. SF is a strong, well organized alliance with formidable military and infrastructure. The fact that they give up sov without fighting for it brings nothing but disappointment.

In spite of this we have a reason to rejoice – few days ago with the effort of many pilots we have waved our flag on the bastions of the eternal capital of RED alliance – C-J6MT. This system not only has strategic value in the region, but is the historical symbol of RED.

In these last few months our alliance has undergone radical changes. Because of change in political course and diplomacy some people decided to part with us – but this isn’t the reason to worry – our member count has not lost even the tenth part. But the changes we are going through are not only and not so much of external nature. Now the members of RED strive to improvement – we are growing our infrastructure and honing our combat skills.

RED has always had a high SP count per capita. But, like many alliances with older management style, the previous management didn’t know how to use this advantage. Now in a very short time we were able to adopt some new doctrines and tactics. I don’t say that only the leaders are responsible for this achievement – because the strength of our alliance for almost 8 years of its existence was in The People. That we can learn and adapt is a merit to every of our members.

In the near future – I’m talking about the changes that are already being introduced – every pilot will get a role in the structure and the place in the fleet basing on the set of skills that are available in his character.

Among pilots with similar roles and skills will be established out-game communication channels where they can discuss all issues related to their roles. Basing on their experience and decisions, we will introduce changes to doctrines and tactics of our alliance. Because only communication and feedback can improve on the things that already exist.

We must give our members the ability to think for themselves, to be creative and inventive.
This way the usefulness that is given by a member to his organization returns to him hundredfold. That is why it should be a function of any modern alliance – to give each pilot the opportunity to shine. After all, despite the fact that the central authority based on the dictatorship can work and be effective, it is much better and longer lasting, however, to win and hold the hearts and minds of The People.

The complete victory in war against Solar Fleet has not been achieved yet. Winter is coming – the usual season of heightened activity of eve pilots. RED alliance will have many more difficult fights and ordeals.
But if we all unite efforts to achieve a common goal – we will be able to overcome everything that will come on us.

If you have any questions and comments on the current situation you can write them in this thread.

P.S. I will remind you, that every pilot of the alliance must have skills for the following ships: tengu for out tengu fleet and apocalypse or scorpion for our armor BS doctrine.

– R

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  1. Manuel Leone Alcala


    November 19, 2012 at 4:16 pm Reply
    1. lossmail

      arent solar fleet (mostly)russians aswell? soo…… russians killing russians. popcorn time.

      November 19, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
      1. Marcus_McTavish

        AAA has Russians too.

        November 19, 2012 at 11:25 pm Reply
  2. Tar

    "We must give our members the ability to think for themselves, to be creative and inventive."

    "P.S. I will remind you, that every pilot of the alliance must have skills for the following ships: tengu for out tengu fleet and apocalypse or scorpion for our armor BS doctrine."

    Rephrased: I encourage everyone to think for themselves and be individuals!
    P.S. Tengus, Apocs, Scorpions or get the fuck out.

    November 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm Reply
    1. Between the Lines

      "Basing on their experience and decisions, we will introduce changes to doctrines and tactics of our alliance."
      Paraphrase: We'll be coming up with all new fleet doctrines and changing the way we fight.
      P.S.: We're still going to keep flying the same things.

      November 19, 2012 at 4:30 pm Reply
      1. Alwayslaughaha

        Why did you reply to him with essentially the same comment?

        November 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm Reply
        1. A-Team

          Actually, he elaborated a little more but you missed the fly-by…

          November 20, 2012 at 2:58 am Reply
  3. The ink man


    November 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm Reply
    1. ROLF!! hahaha long time i haven't heard that name!

      November 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm Reply
      1. BL dood

        Smackdown…. RAW styleeeeee

        November 20, 2012 at 1:53 am Reply
  4. blurp

    RA is just like a too big piece of shit. It will NOT going down the Toilet.

    November 19, 2012 at 4:21 pm Reply
    1. guest

      Too big to sink.

      November 21, 2012 at 2:24 am Reply
  5. bystander

    I wish RED the best of luck in this war and future operations. Beaten down but yet they get back up. That is a good alliance in my eyes.

    November 19, 2012 at 4:29 pm Reply
  6. SgtSimons

    does red alliance have any red corporations left in it?

    November 19, 2012 at 4:36 pm Reply
    1. old timer
      November 19, 2012 at 9:43 pm Reply
  7. TR member

    RA propaganda fails mention without INK or Gypsy propping them up they nothin and 1V- or CJ- belong Solar still.hoora!

    November 19, 2012 at 5:18 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      Nowhere in that mail do they say that they did this all on their own. And you are right Red alliance with their 1300 man alliance wouldn't be able to fight Solar's 3400 man Solar wing+ solar fleet. That doesn't even include all of Solar's long list of pet alliances that come to their aid.

      November 19, 2012 at 6:14 pm Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Solar is brilliant at acting like they only have 3400 peeps, they have 8k+ spread across 3 3 major groups.
        then they have 10k long term renter/Pets who have hung with them for along time

        Ruski renters always stick to ruski landlords, funny part is half the Solar pets could go HBC and not pay a cent just fight for HBC…..Be alot cheaper and would get alot more respect. I always find it funny even in game racial groups stick together, even if its smarter to go else where.

        November 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm Reply
        1. Marcus_McTavish

          HBC doesn't need a bunch of care-bears and botters.

          Renters dont do shit btw, not meaningfully anyways.

          Solar still has many regions, grinding sov is boring and everyone hates it.

          Solar is the Fleet and Wing.

          November 19, 2012 at 11:24 pm Reply
          1. Guy

            Did you really just say that HBC doesn't need a bunch of care-bears?

            November 20, 2012 at 6:53 am
          2. Yep he did-.-

            November 20, 2012 at 7:03 am
        2. Soap McTaggish

          Russians whether in eve or out of eve will always have a hatred & suspicion of people from western countries.
          Just consider how difficult it is to anyone from western Europe or N. America to get a visa…

          November 19, 2012 at 11:37 pm Reply
          1. bangbang

            Pot-kettle thing…

            The fuck you think how long it takes to get a filthy shitty US visa, and what you have to go through to get it.
            Americans and west are quite the opposite, right? "uh-oh – it's those guys from east, we should probably get nukes ready and bomb the fuck out of anything related to them".
            Sod off

            November 22, 2012 at 11:36 am
        3. zer02none

          Wow… I thought the master/pet terminilogy in HBC was abolished, but I can see that it's just plain propaganda…

          Solar's only renters are Solar Citizens, they have no pets, only allies. We are not all russians and we fight for Solar because they are literally the last bloc that isn't under Test/Goon control and because they have treated us very good.

          Most of us 'pets' would rather die than switch sides simply because we've 'lost' a few battles… we have something called loyalty… maybe HBC should try it…

          November 19, 2012 at 11:47 pm Reply
          1. anonymous

            That's funny I saw quite a bit of team work by Goons and Solar in Geminate.

            November 20, 2012 at 2:02 am
          2. zer02none

            LoL, I guess you fell for the Gypsy propaganda… because there has never (or very few) situations where Goons and Solar have worked together…

            That 'teamwork', was merely a few 3 sided battle, NC vs Solar and look Goons came by to say hello…

            November 20, 2012 at 12:22 pm
          3. anonymous

            right keep telling yourself that. There were quite a few battles and the best part is that Gypsy's ceo was in our fleet for one of them. Wasn't long after that they reset you… I wonder if there's a connection.

            November 20, 2012 at 12:39 pm
          4. SOLAR Pet

            SOLAR and NC. where at war long before NC. decided to pick a fight with the CFC on another front…. I mean if you want to make a crazy choice like that can you really blame SOLAR for what happened next?

            Yes CFC fleets did turn up for a few timers, most they had little real impact on the out come as the fight was generally well progressed before they showed up. Only once was the call put out to not engage CFC ships and to be fair NC. had a ton of capitals on field tackled…. we had no intension of shooting CFC drakes when there where dreads sat in bubbles waiting to be blapped.

            The major differance between the SOLAR/CFC dogpile of Dotbros and the NCC/HBC/N3 gankfest of SOLAR currently going on is that we really didn't ask or coordinate with the CFC… they just showed up to kill NC. This is a far cry from whats went down in 1V- where the HBC fleet/supers came in on your cyno…. and PL. slowcats that saved the remains of the Gypsy Dread fleet a few weeks ago.

            HBC thankfully seems bored of the SOLAR conflict and have been showing up far less, infact everyone has been showing up less… leaving crappy RA alone. If this continues the tide will change and those idiots will be homeless within a month.

            November 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    2. Vulture Fleet

      Same could be said for PL. propping up test or it would be turkey shoot. Same goes for all the incapable alliance in cfc all propping each other up. They all would of disbanded by now on there own as they are all terrible on there own. It is the age, and has been moulded so by cfc, where bad alliances in a coalition rule over decent alliances with 1 10th their numbers. It's not pro, it's not fun, but it what weak alliances do to survive.

      November 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm Reply
    3. check this twit out

      you really are a total halfwit.

      there wouldn't be any mention of INK or gypsy because the above was an alliance mail not an open letter to the whole fucken community you brainless speck of herpes!

      November 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm Reply
      1. Yowza

        also why mention INK, they are totally irrelevant in this war

        November 20, 2012 at 6:50 am Reply
  8. Kiyohime Ronuken

    C-J wasn't an accomplishment any more than the larger of two ant colonies winning a war.

    RED also fails to mention that their SP superiority has not lent them battlefield supremacy. Their tengu fleets may out-kill the bc kitchen sinks going after them – but in isk they lose. For every one of those tengu HULLS lost 4 AC-neut canes can be lost and still the cane FC is ahead on isk due to lost subsystems. Not to mention the cane pilots aren't losing SP.

    Speaking of SP – it does not necessarily make one a better pilot. They may win the sov-blob-n-grind but in a fleet fight it's another story.

    When the HML nerf comes about the Tengu will be hurt in some ways less, some ways more than other historic PVP missile boats.

    This is far from over.

    November 19, 2012 at 6:09 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      You seem so proud that you are using Goon tactics. "Let's just throw as many people in cheap ships as possible and throw them at the enemy and hope we come out on top in the isk war."

      November 19, 2012 at 7:00 pm Reply
      1. Kiyohime Ronuken

        wow – really? 650 reds standing by to fight 200 in cheaper ships and SC/PNG/SF is the ones using goon tactics?

        They're just mad because SF & Allies won't put their caps/supers on the field to be wiped out 10 to 1. Gee. I wonder why?

        November 19, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          I won't argue, what happened in C-J was dumb. Originally we went in thinking there might be a fight and then local just kept climbing with blues or neutrals that were temp blued. 1200 people and Nulli's 200 hadn't even jumped in yet. Maybe one day Pl/Test will join us in killing Goonswarm off. (At least Test are less arrogant then Goonswarm). However there were several other times where there could have been good, even numbered fights when test and their blob wasnt around and you do nothing. For instance the second C-J timer saw ~480 of us formed up to Solar pets 200+ Solar's 150 or so + -A-'s 70-80 but instead you chose to stand down.

          November 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply
          1. Kiyohime Ronuken

            Part of the issue is coordination. Coalition sees 200 vs 500=nogo. Solar sees 150 vs 500=nogo. -A- saw a shiny bauble roll across the floor and chased it=nogo.

            November 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm
          2. anonymous

            So you guys view it in terms of your individual fleets and view our individual fleets as a whole… that doesn't make sense to me

            November 19, 2012 at 9:06 pm
          3. Gusto

            True story on -a-. But yeah Solar doesn't coordinate with their friends very well. It is not uncommon for a solar fleet to show up to an op in progress and nobody knew they were coming or around.

            As far as Anon's comment. If there ever is an even fight, PL/Test just gets called in.

            November 19, 2012 at 9:07 pm
          4. zer02none

            We stood down because you guys blobed with supers and dreads, and by the time we were ready to come, you had blapped the timer…

            You didn't want a fight without test/pl, so you took the timer down as quick as possible….

            November 20, 2012 at 12:01 am
          5. anonymous

            If that is what you wanted to believe you are truly dillusional. We started shooting it with subcaps and then when we determined you weren't coming our allies dropped their supers and dreads to make the process go quicker. If I remember correctly that is also the night that you tried to drop our rokh fleet on it's way home and got demolished. Not to mention the whole "we weren't ready" excuse is aweful when it is a timer that you knew well in advance.

            November 20, 2012 at 2:00 am
    2. Lords

      You forget this is RA. Many older players(and alliances) are sitting on literally mountains of isk. Additionally, RA used to be sorta huge into botting.

      With enough bots, you can make tens (or >100) billion a month. I'm sure much of any botted isk got removed from game with SIlent Dodger openly admitting to it and getting banned etc etc, but if even a fraction of it survived from the many many months they did it, they're easily sitting on as much as, if not more, isk than NCdot/Goons.

      I don't think theres many in RA, but a few of the older corps have large stockpiles of t2 BPOs (*cough cough old guard BoB in Raiden for example*). These tend to lead to immense personal wealth, or if corporation owned – enough passive income to easily reimburse expensive ships nonstop.

      All of these "new rich" alliances that depends on their tech moons entirely for income are more blatant about having isk because it's new to them – just because they don't constantly brag about it doesn't mean the old guard is hurting for isk at all either. :)


      November 19, 2012 at 8:25 pm Reply
      1. zer02none

        If I remember right, Red was the second largest botting russian alliance in eve, just after Legion of Death… so why the fuck would want to replace Solar with them? Makes no sense…

        November 20, 2012 at 12:08 am Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Dont forget us "High SP players" will use 65 km Ham Tengu`s that hit 650 [email protected] ehp tank with a Canes sig radius and huge speed.

      Also our HAM`s will now be 25% tracking effective this means it will spew so many missiles [since HAMS fire ROF not Alpha] that Smartbombs wont work very well at all.

      Hams before couldnt DMG fast BS`s at 100% like the Tempest. Now these will hit Cruisers that are webbed at 100%……basically where HML`s did 300-400 DPS HAMS will do 500-600.

      Also since we are in groups we dont waste Volleys as much as the Ham fires every 3-4 Secs not 6-7. This means just like Rohk`s in groups work better now because the 1400mm spills over DMG AKA overkill
      [100 1400`s alphaing at 1.2 mil Alpha] What a waste killing 1 BS where as the Rokh`s 4k Alpha would kill the the BS the same except be ready in 6-8 secs vs 14-15 secs meaning Primary and secondary are killed before the Maels can kill 1 target With a huge overkill amount.

      This problem was worse with LR missiles since missiles take time to hit target so while target is Dead you might have 2 volleys at 120km in flight meaning 2 wasted volleys. With HAMS at 60km you will never have more than 1800 DMG in the air flying towards target. Where as a HML 120km Tengu before might have had [2 volleysx3k DMG] 6k dmg. So tell me thats not scarier for you lower SP carebears.

      Us older higher SP guys have HAMS already trained and used to PVP solo with Drakes etc.

      my HamGu will be trained while it will take you guys not only alot of time for BC`s and Dessy`s but 3 Months for effective HAMS.

      HamGu`[email protected] will not be hit by blaster BS`s or ACS BS`s and can go circle the LR BS`s at 5km and orbit……HAMGu just became new powerhouse for older players.

      November 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm Reply
      1. Kiyohime Ronuken

        Right – you need an overpowered ship to have any chance of holding your own on the battlefield. Got it.

        November 20, 2012 at 2:18 pm Reply
  9. Observer

    Didnt a 400 man hbc frig gang help them take c-j?

    November 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm Reply
    1. Kirk

      Yeah there was but solar didn’t fight so the HBC gang fought itself cause they got bored and only 100 frigs left which is sorta funny lol

      November 19, 2012 at 7:23 pm Reply
  10. LGND

    Lol typical RA douchery. No thank you to: PL, Test, NC. Gypsy, INK, Nulli, for helping them win every single timer…. that they definitely would not have won without the entire southern block blueing them. Once those "friends" go away. RA will be in for a world of hurt.

    November 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Lol its true, without these guys RA would cease to exist.

      NCDOT is fighting SOLAR north, Nulli Middle, Gypsy Ink Why so with RA,

      PL,TEST fighting south.

      Without us spreading out SOLARS forces and tiring them out, RA stands 0 chance. If we had the same amount of Help vs GSF there would be no GSF left. Would we chest beat and say it was all of us? I hope not. I hope we would give our allies huge props.

      November 19, 2012 at 8:41 pm Reply
  11. raver

    What do TEST/PL success at C-J have with Red Alliance? :)

    November 19, 2012 at 8:01 pm Reply
    1. BL dood

      Because RA get the system?

      November 20, 2012 at 1:52 am Reply
  12. Zentar

    "Red Alliance, refusing to roll over and die since 2005."

    November 19, 2012 at 8:59 pm Reply
  13. hmmmm

    bad news..the only reason ra got c-j is because plest(pl/test) blobed the system. understand i think its a valid tactic…but still without plest then it would of been an even "interesting" fight.

    November 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      I don't know about that unless you secretly had 800 people hiding somewhere. Test/Pl brought 2 fleets so 500. Local without the 200 nulli that hadn't jumped in yet was at ~1100-1200 iirc.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
      1. zer02none

        Nulli brought around 120+, NC 100+, the NCC had about 400+and then HBC came with another 400+… in total you had over 1000 people, whereas brought around 600+ for a good fight… It would have been a great fight if HBC didn't show…

        Here's a tip, you want a fight, don't bring your 'masters' into the fight.

        November 19, 2012 at 11:54 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          K your numbers are so far off it is funny. We Nc. had 200. Nulli had 200. NCC had 400-500 people. HBC had 500 frigates drop a couple bombs wait 50 minutes for the tidi to clear and then observe all the frigate kills. They aren't our masters unless you want to argue that Goons are Solar's masters since they showed up to help Solar on multiple timers in Geminate. If you do want to argue that well then you are dumb.

          November 20, 2012 at 2:06 am Reply
          1. Noob McNoobson

            Well, you see, there's a twist out there.

            Once upon a time, when Gypsies started this whole solar mess, there was, as expected, a propaganda post by Blaster Worm, Gypsies' diplo, on a certain russian forum. Stating that the reasons behind the war are 1) Solars being RMTers and Gypsies hate RMTers and 2) Solars being Goon pets and Gypsies hate goons and blobs and all and want good fights.

            Now it turns out Gypsies are riding in another blue wagon that blobs out the stars, setting up a notorious and well-known professional RMTer (one of the current RA leaders) in place of Solars.

            Oh, the irony.

            But I digress. Regardless of your wishful thinking and pony delusions, both NCC and Solar Killboards show around 950:450 overblob for the 1V- fight in question, only 30 or so ships on the NCC side actually being frigates and around 65 bombers. Meanwhile NCC had twice the supers.

            I'm not a Solar grunt, a Solar pet or even a Solar fanclub member. But sometimes I just can't stand bullshit, hypocricy and a blatant lie when I see one.

            November 20, 2012 at 6:35 am
          2. anonymous

            1v- was not the fight in question in anyway. We blobbed them. We admitted it. We wanted to kill their supers and frankly if we hadn't gotten the extra supercapital support from Pandemic Legion we wouldn't have been able to kill nearly as many before running out of bubblers. Supercapitals should be able to point other supercapitals.

            November 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm
          3. zer02none

            You guys would have lost if you didn't have HBC holding your hand…

            I was there and I remember the moment where we almost had you beat, and then boom, there's Test and PL…

            November 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm
          4. Noob McNoobson

            See? "WE". We wanted to kill their supers so we called TEST/PL. When we expect trouble we take a pandaphone and see a big red 600-man dot in HED ready to cyno in. But noo, we did everything ourselves, solars just suck at pvp, they are cowards and don't give us gudfights (definition: gudfight is a fight that actually happened, and we won). Somehow it reminds me of a CS pub match when people join the winning team and then brag how they won using only pistols.

            As much as I don't like -A-, they did the right thing, and so should solar – just go into NPC space and avoid fights until you unsub out of boredom.

            November 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm
          5. It wouldnt surprise me:D

            November 20, 2012 at 7:05 am
          6. zer02none

            Lol Solar and Goons are hostile at best… there have been almost no contact between them for a long time, other than a few skirmishes where it was a 3-sided battle (Solar vs NC and Goons dropped in to say hi). There might have been one fight where they didn't shoot each other, but I guess that's all it takes to be classfield a 'pet' or an ally of someone else.

            Now, if you look at this whole NCC thing, they were wining for a week then after they realised they couldn't hold onto what they took, they called in HBC, and since then HBC forces have been in almost every engagment. If Solar is a Goon pet, where are they? I'm sorry, but by your logic NCC is more of a 'pet' of HBC than Solar being a pet of Goons…

            November 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm
          7. anonymous

            Other than a few skirmishes? more like all the time and the Solar Fc even told his members not to shoot Goons every time. Why do you think Gypsy turned on you guys?

            November 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm
          8. Noob McNoobson

            Why? I'm to bothered to search for the actual drama in the russian threadnought, but basically INK and WhySo (Gypsy friends) were harassing the Imperial Legion (Solar pets). DrKrom4eg (Gypsy CEO) asked MACTEP to kick IMP-L out of their space and give it to INKs and WhySo because IMP-L are, well, IMP-L and wouldn't be able to defend a c1 wormhole having supers inside. MACTEP refused. Then there was an episode when he was caught in some Gypsy gatecamp in Gemi or somewhere, and there was Because Of A Falcon (actually rapier, IIRC). MACTEP went full Don't Talk Back To Solar and apparently tried to talk some Gyspy's friends into doing some backstabbing business. Talks failed, and Gypsies decided to put a buffer (RA) between them and Solars. Now, with the blue wagon support, though, they don't have to stop in Insmother and can go all the way to Gemi.

            Solars must die because we hate Goons is just a propaganda bullshit to look a little whiter and shinier.

            November 20, 2012 at 2:59 pm
        2. TheCatman-TEST

          you fags are sooo funny, your gayta tears are so salty and yummy, this is not a good fight initiative, this is to help put RED back in thier home system and to get our new bros WALLT there own shit setup… a better tip would be, get moar friends if you wanna hold your space

          November 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm Reply
  14. IMP where r they?

    lets all have a cry because an internal alliance mail never went as far as to specifically name each & every other entity that is taking part.

    So since it was an alliance mail, someone please explain to me why there is such a GREAT need to name other entities when everyone within the alliance already knows they are helping?
    It seems to me that there are a lot of butt hurt players on EN24 from IMP & Co that can't handle the fact that their alliance IMP was nothing more than a failure waiting to happen from day 1.

    They must be good though IMP, cause the moment things got a little harder their alliance falls apart

    Don't worry all the Ex-IMP members, am sure one of the failing FW corps/alliances will find something for you all to do

    November 20, 2012 at 12:07 am Reply
  15. A-Team

    I'll give you that, RA is like a Big piece shit.:D

    November 20, 2012 at 3:01 am Reply
  16. snow

    i want RA to come back test are worse then even CFC and ive been in CFC and dealt with HBC before and been in Russian alliances to Russians are better by far…

    November 20, 2012 at 10:27 am Reply
    1. TheCatman-TEST

      your a fag, by any account, test is the shiz

      November 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm Reply

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