This one’s for all you new EVE Online players out there.  Trust me when I tell you that it is not often that CCP tells you that they’re about to push the knife in and twist.  Matter of fact, I can only remember three times that they’ve done it: right before they nerfed sanctums and havens, right before they nerfed incursions, and right before they nerfed FW button-orbiting.  To this, we can now add a fourth: CCP is warning you that they’re about to split the current Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills into eight skills by race.

But this time, they’ve provided a recommendation to avoid the knife:

With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now.

That’s CCP Ytterbium in his latest dev-blog about the upcoming changes to T1 battle cruisers and battleships.

Because the current Destroyers and Battlecrusiers skills are going to be split racially, it is in your best interests to train them to level V now.  That way, when the split happens, you’ll be gifted with the large number of skill points that having level V skills in all four racial skills will bestow.  Having Battlecruisers V will be good for almost 4.5 million more SP.  Having Destroyers V will be good for another 1.5 million.  So that’s six million skill points you’re leaving on the table if you don’t have these two skills trained to maximum when this change happens.  And based on that recommendation, I’d say the change is probably going to happen sooner rather than later.

Why train them now?  Because starting on December 4, you’re going to have four Rank 3 Electronics skills to train: the four racial sensor-strengthening ones, so that you can put jamming out of business, remember?  Given a decent split of attributes, training those four skills to level IV is going to take between 12 and 14 days.  So even before we find out what our holiday gifts are this year, we get a nice one from CCP: 20% stronger sensors before your winter solstice holiday of choice.  Training those skills to level V will take an additional 12-14 days each, so you can probably put that off for a while if you have more important things to train.

As to the dev-blog itself, I’ve got to hand it to CCP.  After re-balancing 40 ships in 2012, they’re making a nice push for the first 24 ships of 2013.  That said, there don’t seem to be a lot of major changes in store.  The two biggest ones that jump out at me is making the Megathron thinner and making the Typhoon a pure missile boat.  The latter is cause for celebration for me: 2013 is shaping up to the be the year of the missile and I’m going to have me some fun with it.  The latter doesn’t affect me so much because Megas are so little used.  Matter of fact, I suspect the people most impacted by that one are going to be early career incursion pilots that bring Megas into incursion HQ sites.  They’re going to die even faster than they do today (which is pretty fast a lot of the time).

The big surprise of this dev-blog, though, is where CCP is going after those 24 T1 ships: T2 battle cruisers, better known as Command Ships.  You could have laid out all of the possibilities, and I never would have guessed they were going that way.  But this blog post is already pretty long and I want to put my thoughts on that change in another post.

In the meantime, CCP doesn’t make recommendations often, so I’d follow this one…

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  1. Kevin

    Whoever wrote this lacks simple reading comprehension. The blog clearly states that if you have FOR EXAMPLE lvl 3 Amarr Cruiser and lvl 3/4/5 Battlecruiser you will get the new Amarr Battlecruiser skill to 3….not 5.

    Please check your facts before you make pointless recommendations that are going to mess up people's previous training time.

    November 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm Reply
    1. Kiyohime Ronuken

      Right – by that logic you want to have all your cruiser (and frigate for destroyer) skills trained to 5. It's disappointing to me as right now I can fly 3 race's BCs perfectly but I'm not going to be able to do so post-patch by this logic.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm Reply
    2. Smo

      You should learn to read yourself before criticizing others abilities.

      In the dev blog example you reference, the dev uses Cruiser 3 and BC 3. He says nothing about the case if you have Cruiser 3 and BC 5.

      What is implied is that if you can fly it now, you can fly it after the patch at the same proficiency. This would then imply that if you had ONLY Amarr Cruiser 3 and BC 5 before the batch, that after the batch you would have Amarr BC 5 and no other BC skills (you didn't have the cruiser pre-req for the other races).

      Nothing more annoying than idiots jumping to criticize when they don't even understand it themselves…..

      November 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm Reply
      1. fuck off kevin

        So if I want all racial BC after update to 5, I need to have BC 5 and racial Cruisers to 3 before update? Same for Destroyers 5 and racial Frigs 3?

        November 13, 2012 at 6:19 pm Reply
        1. Tin Foil


          November 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
        2. I would personally play safe and take the lot to 5. Benefits you in the long run, avoids any confusion – you WILL get those BC skills to 5 for certain that way and save yourself a couple of months in the long run at least, if you only have Amarr BC 5 for example and no other racial BC skill. Imagine taking all those to 5 after the patch!

          November 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
    3. Andre

      You are the one lacking reading comprehension. The blog uses a very ambiguous example "Technically it means if you are able to fly an Oracle by having Amarr Cruisers 3 and Battlecruisers 3, we will remove the Battlecruisers skill from your character and give you Amarr Battlecruisers at 3". This could mean the racial BC skill level is determined by the racial cruiser skill or the battlecruiser skill. CCP probably did this on purpose.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm Reply
  2. And yet despite CCP spelling this out months ago with how it'll work, I guarantee there will be many many tears to be harvested. As soon as I found out about how this'll break down I made sure to train BC and Dessie to 5, then the frigs and cruiser skills(never had the Gallente ones up; never needed them).

    Result: come patch day I should get [racial] BC and Destroyer skills to 5 in all races, and I can now fly all T2/T3 cruisers to boot as a handy bonus.
    Get it done now, before you wind up kicking yourself and losing valuable time training this lot up!

    November 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm Reply
    1. minimee

      I agree ;
      Train Frigs to (4 ) all four, 3day each so 12days
      Train Cruisers to (4) all four, 5days each so 20days
      Train Des to (4), 2days
      Train BC to (4), 6days
      Train Des (5), 7days
      Train BC (5) , 25days
      Train Frig (5) all four, (Optional) 7d/each so 28days
      Train Cruiser (5) all four, (Optional) 20d / each so 80days

      Total number of days 72days + 108d optional = 180days or half a year
      YES GET MOVING !!!! i know remapping and getting implants will lower the days but this is what it takes for a fresh character

      November 14, 2012 at 11:08 am Reply
      1. Das

        Pure bullshit, only BC Lv5 and Des Lv5 and all racial C to Lv3 is enough.

        November 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm Reply
    2. EVE_Dude

      Did the same here. As soon as this change was first brought up, I trained Destroyer/BC to 4, then Destroyer to 5, supporting skills (racial frig/cruiser) to 4, and now working on BC 5. We've had months to plan this, so if you haven't yet, you're just passing on a freebie that you can't buy for any money: skill points.

      November 14, 2012 at 7:22 pm Reply
  3. Haters gonna hate

    So Is nobody going to post about SOLAR Fleet losing there 'HOME' system? nevermind guess its not important.

    November 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm Reply
    1. lool

      their HOME system ? if you mean C-J6. then C-J6 is not their HOME system !

      November 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm Reply
    2. Corteztk

      Bro you do realize that this site is not run by some dude that is making a fortune to run it. They put this stuff up as quickly as they can. I'm sure it will be here in the next couple days.

      Or….write it yourself and submit it.

      Try Kugu BR's go up within minutes of fights….sometimes FC's write them while guiding the fleet home.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm Reply
    3. stfu_noob

      You fail. If you meant to say C-J6, that has never been the home system of SOLAR. It has been historically the home system of Red Alliance, which you were helping to reconquer from what I can gather by your comment. Noob, learn a bit of EVE history, read up on it and you won't embarrass yourself again like this. By your blatant stupidity I'd say you've gotta to be part of HBC, am I correct?

      November 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm Reply
      1. Hmm

        Haha +1

        November 14, 2012 at 1:58 am Reply
  4. Retard author

    As announced at the beginning of the year, skill requirements will be modified when we are done overhauling tech1 battlecruisers and battleships.

    November 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm Reply
  5. fredthecabbage

    As I understood it they'll be splitting destroyers now and battlecruisers at a later date?

    November 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
  6. bubbles

    so these changes are coming in on dec. 4th?

    November 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm Reply
  7. kevin's shadow

    So are these changes coming with retribution on Dec 2 or not? I read through all blogs, articles, forums and no clear answer is given.

    November 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm Reply
    1. Sherlock Holmes

      they won't be coming until 2013, and since CCP usually releases their expansions in late spring/ early summer you can probably expect it then

      November 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
      1. kevin's shadow


        November 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm Reply
        1. Sherlock Holmes

          Hot sauce…

          November 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply
  8. M1k3y

    I was under the impression the racial BC skills will be made quicker to train to compensate for more skills needing to be trained.

    Also unless CCP speeds up their schedule (its not yet on the test server, to the best of my knowledge), which wouldn't surprise me, we have until the first 2013 release at earliest.

    November 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm Reply
  9. Bob

    So if you have all [email protected] + [email protected] you'll automatically be set @5 for all four new racial destro skills ?
    Same for BCs ? If yes great. If not it's going to be hell to retrain all 4 racial [email protected]

    November 14, 2012 at 4:20 pm Reply
  10. oinker

    umm… and despite telling everybody this, there are still tards out there who do not understand it when CCP state "there will be no skill changes regarding destroyers in this winter patch"….doh….

    November 15, 2012 at 5:33 am Reply
  11. CCP is warning you that they’re about to split the current Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills into eight skills by race.

    November 16, 2012 at 6:41 am Reply
  12. anon

    T1 Bc's aren't subject to a rebalance in retribution so we have a bit of time.

    Given i'd imagine some fleet doctrines are going to be tweaked as a result of the changes coming along with the patch a lot of players wont even be able to start getting destroyers/bc's up until after the patch anyway.

    Well done to those that had the foresight and/or time to train everything up before this was announced – wish i was the same!

    November 16, 2012 at 8:54 am Reply
  13. horst horstensen

    i´m already training the spaceship command skills to get all racial BC skills to V but what bugs me in the explanation from CCP is "If you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"
    this tells me that if you e.g. have BC5 and amarr frig4 cruiser4 you will get amarr BC to 3, because you where just able to fly an oracle
    but if you e.g. are able to fly a amarr command ship(which needs BC5) and caldari command ship not (just enough skills for naga) you´ll get amarr BC to 5 but caldari BC to 3 because you were not able to fly a nighthawk before the patch

    so, what i´m trying to do atm is getting at least one race to command ship and all other races to frig4 and cruiser4 and after i have the ability to fly one command ship, i put the racial lvl5 cruiser skill in the queue one after the other and hope that i have enough time to train them all and get all racial BC5 skills

    also same problem with the dessi skill, because you have to have the racial frig to 5 to be able to fly a dictor

    i might also be wrong and frig 4 + cruiser 4 in every race and BC5 are enough to get all racial BC skills to 5 + same for dessi skil, but i don´t want to end up with tears after the patch^^

    sry if someone else already mentioned this in the comments, but i don´t have the time to read all comments atm. and just wanted to mention the way i see that ambiguous "If you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"

    November 19, 2012 at 1:57 pm Reply
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    March 8, 2013 at 7:25 am Reply
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  16. bubbles

    P.S. The Devblog also states that these skill changes wont be implemented until 2013 so we can probably expect them around May, So no rush

    😀 nice, just added up the stuff and noticed i was going to be 1 day after the expac. that i finished all the needed things

    November 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm Reply
  17. Kiyohime Ronuken

    FYI It isn't just a question of whether you can fly the ship – it's whether post-patch you will retain the highest level of spaceship command available AND applicable to the hull. Translation? If you have Gal. Crs IV, Min Crs V, Cald Crs V and BC V at the moment, and no Amarr Crs Skill you at present can fly (for example) the Talos, Tornado and Naga and enjoy 100% of the benefit the HULLS allow from skills.

    POST patch if you made NO changes to skill you would have Crs skills exactly where they were, Gal BC IV, Min BC V, Cald BC V. You would retain the ability to fly the Talos but would no longer have 100% of the beneficial spaceship command skills to go along with it.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
  18. Kiyohime Ronuken

    Not sure why that link isn't working from here. Hopefully they actually STICK with that post because nothing else clarifies it… at all.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm Reply
  19. ...

    No it doesn't.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm Reply
  20. minimee

    my sugestion is you train em now asap.
    it could be that we get a patch in Feb that fixes the ships and one in may later on just like we got one with the Mining barges earlier. so don't just wait untill last minute and be disapointed.

    btw im putting the sensor skill on the backburner for now.
    i can take one month of sensor pain (training time Dd 5 BC 5) before i train the sensor skills to 4

    the only thing im keen for is does the sensor skill affect jamming rats ? for example does having sensor skill to 5 for Caldari make the gurista rats jam less frequent? (this i haven't found an direct answer on but i think it does)

    November 14, 2012 at 8:51 am Reply

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