The new kid on the block, it seems, comes in the form of a newly created Coalition spearheaded by Nulli Secunda. This is something a lot of people were actively voicing for as the Leadership of Nulli Secunda is highly praised by not only friends, but enemies as well. In response, Nulli did just that. Their Diplomats reached out to friends and blues and the silver tongues engaged in discussions for a new power bloc in EvE Online. A new powerbloc indeed. What a few people refer to as Hellnaw, or N³, was born.

The Coalition is made up of a handful of Alliances, each with their own pro’s and con’s. With limited research and no internal information on any of the alliances involved, I will attempt to broaden the understanding of each alliance from an outsiders outlook.

Nulli Secunda:

The figurehead of N³, Nulli, has not been without it’s falls. I first heard of Nulli Secunda when they were happily living in Delve alongside Vera Cruz. Many battle reports made their way to news sites when TEST and friends invaded the South West. Eventually, Nulli was pushed out of Delve along with their friends Vera Cruz. But, this did not demoralize Nulli. Unlike other alliances that fail when Sov was lost, Nulli’s retention was actually quite high. In fact, Nulli was able to assimilate Vera Cruz into their ranks as a solid corporation of pilots. At this point, Nulli looked to increase their wallet so that they may find themselves in Sov once again. By participating in the broken mechanics of Faction Warfare, they were able to pad their wallets quite a bit. At this point, a lot of pilots were vocalizing their boredom with FW so Nulli went back to their roots and moved north to join NC in their war against the Swarm. Nulli having quite a few active pilots with the skillpoints to effectively throw the largest of ships onto the field was a welcomed ally to NC. With NC. and Nulli pushing back against the Swarm, Eve saw for the first time, a force that could go toe to toe with the swarm in many engagements. Tho the war was eventually lost, it took the Swarm months to achieve what they had previously been able to achieve in mere weeks.

With nothing left for Nulli in the North, they decided to take the friends they had made and create their own Coalition based on Morality, Respect and the thirst for war. The respect that Nulli leadership shows the other alliances in the Coalition is rarely found in EvE now days.

Nulli has been seen to push 80+ Rokh’s with Supercap, Dread and Carrier Support. They have a sizable Capital sector. Multiple Titans in their arsenal assist with maneuvering space between operations. A wealthy alliance with the skillpoints to go toe to toe with the majority of EvE Online.

Northern Coalition:

The second largest alliance of the new Coalition, NCDOT needs no introduction. NC. has been around for longer than most alliances, tho not as Northern Coalition. Originally, the older corps of NC were a part of Triumvirate. They have an extremely rich history. Sadly, I was not an avid eve player during the early years of NC/Triumvirate and only recently was able to admire this long lasting Alliance for who they were. An extremely old group of corporations with loyal pilots. As NC, they started in Providence and moved their way to Tribute, I only started to recognize NC during the Raiden drama in Vale of the Silent, when the Holding Corp of Raiden joined NC and Sov flipped. NC then began to cash in on the Tech Moons previously owned by Raiden as Raiden evacuated the area. From there, NC had multiple engagements with the denizens of Geminate and the Swarm to the North. They held their own and believed themselves to be an extremely efficient killing machine. This, was in a sense, true as they did have the pilots and sp pool to fight toe to toe on even and even some uneven skirmishes. Once the Swarm generated OTEC agreement had been broken, NC started to buckle under the pressure of the goons but their Morale continued. Again, we see an Alliance with loyal pilots fighting against the odds. With the assist of Nulli, NC was able to give some of the greatest fights EvE had seen in some time. Once Tribute had been lost, NC took a step back and re-evaluated the worth of the North.

NC. has made the decision to move south with the newly created coalition, leaving behind the wealth of Tech Moons they had enjoyed for so many months. Opposed to most Alliances, NC has publicly vocalized they “Did” want those moons.

NC. has been seen to push 80+ Rokh’s with Supercap, Dread and Carrier Support. They have a sizable Capital sector. Multiple Titans in their arsenal assist with maneuvering space between operations. A wealthy alliance with the skillpoints to go toe to toe with the majority of EvE Online.

Nexus Fleet:

The third largest alliance of the new Coalition, Nexus is a relatively young alliance with older pilots at the helm. Originally stationed in Stain, they stayed under the radar. Small skirmishes against random foes in Stain and Highsec produces some interesting results for this small Alliance. One of the more interesting things with Nexus is that when they began bolstering their numbers, their percentage was extremely low. With each month, their K:D efficiency rose and has not dropped below the previous month since. This could potentially show an extremely well oiled training organization within the Alliance. Nexus moved from Stain to join their allies in the north, taking a single system in Geminate. Nexus can be seen in many Northern battles sporting Hic/Dic and Rifters for Tackle. A few T3 BC’s can be seen here and there as well as a sizable BC fleet. Nexus Fleet stands out from the others as they have a singular corporation within the alliance with more than 800 pilots. This stands out as being a Dreddit/TEST type corporation/alliance relationship and shows that Nexus is a new pilot friendly alliance. From the recent NC alliance meeting and various comments on here and other forums, Nexus appears to show up with what is referred to as the “Rifter Army” loading grid with upwards of 100 rifters.

Nexus moved to the southern staging system shortly after Nulli Secunda publicly announced the invasion of Immensea.

Nexus has been seen to push 80+ BC/Rifter with eyes on Dread/Carrier deployment. The size of their Capital sector is unknown. The number of Titans is unknown. Wealth and skillpoints are assumed to be low but participation appears to be high.

Pangu Coalition:

The Pangu Coalition is a Chinese alliance. Their loyalty speaks loads of the pilots they have. They first appeared alongside Nulli, Vera, -A- in the Delve wars. The alliance, like Nexus, is a relatively new alliance. They are not as large as the others but they are still able to sport a lot of the fleet doctrines. Pangu can be seen piloting ships from Geddons to Nagas to Dreadnoughts.

Pangu moved to the southern staging system before the rest of the coalition, obtaining Sov and acquiring the current staging system for the coalition

Pangu has been seen to push 20+ Battleship/T3 Cruisers with some Dread deployment. The size of their Capital sector is unknown. The number of Titans is unknown. Wealth and skillpoints are assumed to be average.

The Kadeshi:

The Kadeshi is an older alliance. Tho not as large as the other big alliances in the coalition, their skillpoint pool is assumed to be pretty high. They are extremely active and until recently, flew alongside their friends -A- in Catch. With the evacuation of -A- and N³ moving into the area, their diplomats set out to solidify a relationship with the new kids on the block. The Kadeshi have never been on the front page and have preferred being in the background. With the move into the new coalition, perhaps that will change.

The Kadeshi have always been staged in the south.

The Kadeshi has been seen to push decently sized roaming gangs with BS/T3 Strat Cruisers/Faction Ships. The size of their Capital sector is unknown. The number of Titans is unknown. Wealth and skillpoints are assumed to be high.

HUN Reloaded:

Another alliance with sizable numbers. Numbering almost 1k pilots, HUN Reloaded is another one of those alliances that is in the backdrop of EvE Online 0.0 Politics. Tho, they are widely known for their Alliance Tournament fights and being one of the better teams in said tournaments. HUN Reloaded are an older alliance with a solid participation/activity percentage. You can see them dropping carriers on Battleships, or toasting ratters with tech 3 strategic cruisers. Another smaller alliance with powerful pilots.

HUN Reloaded are a nomadic alliance, drifting with their allies. It is not known whether or not they will claim Sov with the new Coalition.

HUN Reloaded has been seen to push decently sized roaming gangs with BS/T3 Strat Cruisers/Faction Ships. The size of their Capital sector is unknown. The number of Titans is unknown. Wealth and skillpoints are assumed to be high.

Mildly Intoxicated:

This Alliance is the smallest member of the Coalition, but when you add their sister alliances in, they grow in numbers substantially. The Alliance itself is relatively new, created in late 2011. Since then, they have held their own SoV in Tenerefis and appear to be joining the N³ Coalition alongside The Kadeshi.

Mildly Intoxicated have always been staged in the south.

Mildly Intoxicated has been seen to push decently sized roaming gangs with BS/T3 Strat Cruisers/Faction Ships. Carriers have also been seen dropping TCU’s and unfortunate ratters. The size of their Capital sector is unknown. The number of Titans is unknown. Wealth and skillpoints are assumed to be average to high.

It will be interesting to see this Coalition grow and evolve. Eve News will be following the new coalition closely as they look into taking sov in the south.

If you have any further intel on any of these alliances that I have missed, I welcome your comments. Corrections, Feedback, and Additions are always welcome.


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  1. to sum it up

    To sup it up…………………..

    Nulli: With nothing left for Nulli in the North, they decided to take the friends they had made and create their own Coalition based on Morality, Respect and the thirst for war.

    NC has made the decision to move south with the newly created coalition, leaving behind the wealth of Tech Moons they had enjoyed for so many months. Opposed to most Alliances, NC has publicly vocalized they “Did” want those moons.

    Nexus moved to the southern staging system shortly after Nulli Secunda publicly announced the invasion of Immensea.

    Pangu moved to the southern staging system before the rest of the coalition, obtaining Sov and acquiring the current staging system for the coalition

    The Kadeshi have always been staged in the south.

    HUN Reloaded are a nomadic alliance, drifting with their allies. It is not known whether or not they will claim Sov with the new Coalition.

    Mildly Intoxicated have always been staged in the south.

    Thank you for this update….

    November 6, 2012 at 6:47 am Reply
  2. Thunderdome

    To clarify Nulli's history and relationship with each of these alliances:
    -Nulli and NC first grouped up in the North after Nulli left Delve. NC's participation, at least according to posted alliance meetings, is outwardly stated to be temporary. This likely means that as long as Nulli remains active in EvE's larger wars, NC will stay for a while.
    -Nexus doesn't have any substantial history with Nulli, apart from helping the Dotbros
    -Pangu, though small in number, was a welcome addition to Nulli fleets in Delve. Their time spent previously under the Nulli banner was limited by HBC's victory in Delve.
    -The Kadeshi and Nulli got along very well during SoCo's campaign against Red Alliance in Omist and Tenerifis. Nulli and Kadeshi pilots often expressed that they enjoyed working with each other, and at the time, expressed regret over not having more opportunities to do so.
    -Huns are one of Nulli's oldest friends. Among Nulli pilots, they are referred to as "Hunbros", which indicates the level of respect and friendship between the two alliances. After Huns was initially forced out of Delve when Evoke (or more accurately Ewoks) took their space, Huns went through some tough times. Nulli then brought Huns back and was in the process of giving them more space before HBC's assault forced the whole coalition out of Delve.
    -Mildly Intoxicated has no particular history with Nulli

    November 6, 2012 at 6:56 am Reply
    1. The South

      Mildy intoxicated has the same history with nuli as what you have stated with Kadeshi, they were in the same wars just never in the spotlight, which apparently is how they like it.

      November 6, 2012 at 11:42 am Reply
  3. SgtSimons

    honestly i feel like all these alliances deserve some space. some more than others.

    I would rather have all of them have space than a massive space holding alliance like -A- or solar who just rent it out.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:55 am Reply
    1. Glenn

      And if space was distributed based on the grounds of fairness and diversity maybe they would have it.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:33 am Reply
    2. HBC4ever

      Massive space holding alliance like -A-

      Your kidding right???

      November 6, 2012 at 9:28 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        AAA owns several regions and atm have a sizable part of the map.. for now. So yes massive space holding alliance.

        November 6, 2012 at 12:55 pm Reply
  4. wokyr

    Pangu are chinese ? I saw some of them with bio and talk in japanese in local.

    November 6, 2012 at 8:05 am Reply
    1. Silver

      Well most likely they are Japanese. It is hard to tell the difference between both languages but AFAIK Chinese can't connect to TQ (they have there own server) but Japanese can so …

      November 6, 2012 at 8:34 am Reply
      1. Balamut

        I don't quite understand why most of the people thinks that Chinese can't log to our server? I worked in Shanghai for 4 years and I never had a problem with logging in. Same now, when i time to time come there for a biz trip. Probably most Chinese players prefer Chinese language server and that's the reason?

        November 6, 2012 at 12:14 pm Reply
        1. x-pat

          I spent two years in shenzhen and never had an issue logging into eve.

          Also, the Japanese and Chinese character sets are the same (well one of them is). I suppose you could really troll them by asking why their bio is in japanese. They'd love that.

          November 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm Reply
      2. LeDouche

        Chinese server got shut down boss.

        November 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm Reply
        1. Alifikduzimir

          Looking at the stats, it seems it was down for almost 3 months starting april, but is running again now:
          Perhaps someone can shed some light on this.

          November 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm Reply
    2. anon

      they are chinese. i had to do a lot with them while they lived in catch. once i asked them abouttheir japanese looking bios and stuff and they were not happy about it and told me they are chinese :<

      November 6, 2012 at 8:44 am Reply
      1. -A- asdf

        They are chinese. They moved to TQ when the chinese server got closed i think. They are mostly carebears, but have some very cool PvP dudes.

        Sad to see them jump ship.

        November 6, 2012 at 8:47 am Reply
  5. Santa little helper

    I really hope that nulli and -A- at the very least try to become blue to -A- because really eve is on the edge to becoming completely fail if CFC and Hbc keep winning space.

    they don't need to be buddy buddy but they differently have a common goal.

    November 6, 2012 at 8:22 am Reply
    1. NCdotos

      They are blue / fake-neutral to HBC already. So no, they wont be blue to -A- and will grind sov for HBC to start. Maybe after they have taken over all of catch/immens they will get a reset, but at the moment they work together.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:49 am Reply
      1. I spell -a- gunt posting here :)
        Fact that you are unable to achieve anything on your won doesn't mean that everyone else are like you. I doubt NC. or Nulli needs list of blues to achieve anything. Think all those alliances proved their ability to take fights no matter what.
        None of them needs HBC or any other coalition to engage -A-. This coalition will establish itself on best farming ground. Insmother is a good place since it is close to -A-, HBC and Curse. There will be plenty of targets around and will give industry wing in some work as well.

        November 6, 2012 at 9:47 am Reply
        1. NCdotos

          Read your corp /alliance mail.

          Im just angry we 'also' switched from shooting Goons to shooting -A-. Shooting goons is always better.

          November 6, 2012 at 9:56 am Reply
          1. Shooting goons? When u last time seen a goon fleet? They started blueballing us.

            November 6, 2012 at 10:25 am
          2. Nyv

            Because -A- undock now ?

            November 6, 2012 at 10:38 am
          3. Well, I saw Tek Enetherum started to log it. That means only one thing – A finally got proper FC. that means we'll get fights 😛

            November 6, 2012 at 11:02 am
          4. ncdotdotdot slim

            so is that time again for -a- to suck Tek Enetherum again

            November 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm
          5. Like they had any other option after Evil Thug left. Tek is their only savior, everybody knows that makalu will welp whole fleet chasing down 1 keres.

            November 6, 2012 at 12:12 pm
          6. Nulli is comming

            I think they are doing fine their own way. They dont want the hassle of big sov anymore and focus more on PvP.

            Cry about wolfpax and shit, but they have more then enough PvP for everyone it seems. I wish them luck

            November 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm
          7. AAA vet

            You're one bitter fucker. Did I rape your ass? Cos I really don't keep count :)

            November 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm
          8. sour

            ye he logged alright…and went killing aaa 😛

            November 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm
      2. s2nulli

        I must be loosing my sight or something because this 0 or +5 standing you claim we have to test really looks like -10.

        November 6, 2012 at 11:45 pm Reply
    2. v0v

      Too much bad blood between S2N and -A- based on how -A- conducts (conducted, seeing as they have no bloc left) itself as a bloc leader. Won't happen. Furthermore, -A- got in bed with Solar, which is currently regarded as the most pressing issue for this new band of brigands, so the blood-grudge is heightened by current politico-strategic considerations.

      A few years ago, we were all concerned that the Russians were going to take over EVE. Before that, it was BoB. And there were others before them. All grand empires come crashing down in the end.

      November 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm Reply
    3. fail

      fuck -a- they stabbed everyone in the back why would nulli re blue -a- after that shit they pulled

      November 6, 2012 at 3:45 pm Reply
      1. timmy

        Nulli stabbed -A- in the back by abandoning Delve and leaving them and their allies to fight HBC for weeks, a war they could have won. Now they are stabbing their former allies in the back by helping HBC, the coalition that helped kick Nulli out in the first place. Yeah, I see how -A- screwed Nulli over here.

        November 6, 2012 at 4:27 pm Reply
        1. Grimm

          Fuck u aaa asshole. stop carebearing and join the fights u will see who.fucked up who during the delve war.

          November 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm Reply
        2. kyaa

          Yes, it was a war that they could have won. That's precisely why S2N left: -A- refused to fight it like one. Instead of showing up to fight, -A- forced all regional partners to curl up in 319 and watch Delve and Querious burn, utterly derailing the previous ongoing defensive efforts. They ran a winnable – difficult, but winnable – campaign right into the fucking ground. I am not kidding when I say that S2N and RA requesting -A- to come in-theater was a huge fucking mistake, because they would have done a better job without them taking over the entire show, refusing to run anything, and disallowing anybody else from trying to pick up the slack.

          When you plan on decisive fleet engagements, you don't bring untested cripple-fit Lokis and 100mn coward Tengus. And you sure as hell don't leave your capital/supercapital fleet at home.

          November 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm Reply
          1. U know who

            WOW! you're even using HBC vernacular. Coward Tengus? Did you get some type of welcome package from Monti? We correctly counted on TEST wearing down grinding structures all day. Just never thought TEST would outsource it to Nulli.

            So they only way we would have gained Nulli's "respect" is if we totally committing (and likely losing) all our entire SuperCap assets – something, as demonstrated by your hasty retreat North, Nulli itself was unwilling to do.

            Keep spinning though. that said, your actions contradict your propaganda.

            * running out on -A- while deployed to help your.
            * fattening Nulli wallets in Faction Warfare while -A- continued to fight in Delve.
            * turning on those that originally came to your aid , attacking their space and assisting TEST in the grinding process.

            Perhaps you should simply come to terms that Nulli is chasing ISK and SOV and will do whatever it takes to get it. Jumping on the bandwagon, Calling -A- the shitty ally just helps you rationalize it internally.

            -A- has been a shitty friend to a lot of groups, Nulli isn't one of them.

            And everyone knows it…..

            November 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm
          2. anonymous

            you could have lost all their space and still put up a decent fight without supers instead of getting your entire coalition permacamped in a npc station

            November 7, 2012 at 8:58 pm
          3. -A- FC

            Before the whole of the north descended you seem to forget our joint fleets were beating the crap out of the equally sized Test and PL and we where all having a great time. This couldn't be allowed to happen however.

            Camped/fighting on an 0.0 NPC station or in 3 to 4 sov station that you don't own anymore because of the 50 PL supers and 1000-2000 screaming goons grinding space for Test.

            I know which one I preferred 'cause, the one we could use again after we undocked.

            The fact nulli thought they could fight a sov warfare vs a massive blob just shows how wrong you are. The fact you now want to spin it to justify to yourselves that you bailed on a loyal ally who came at your request to save your space and fought hard. This is sad and you are only fooling yourselves.

            November 19, 2012 at 6:20 pm
          4. anonymous

            I am not nulli I am in Nc. and you could have just have easily done what we did. Base out of Titan/supercapital range of the enemy with cynojammers the entire way between you and them so that camping you into station would be a bitch. Instead you based in a system where they could just dock up and leave if they had to.

            November 19, 2012 at 7:05 pm
          5. fail

            fail propaganda is fail, nulli and true friends were fighting in delve for months before -a- showed up and when they did i personally heard man just say "we are just going to stay docked"

            November 7, 2012 at 11:26 pm
          6. EvE

            -A-s only chance of survival was to defend Delve.

            November 8, 2012 at 11:30 am
        3. s2nforlife



          There was no "fight" at all. We undocked our own fleets, but for all the major timers, -a- told us to stay docked. We didn't abandon shit, and you didnt fight for delve at all after we left either. You stayed docked because losing ships is more important to you then losing space and everything youve built there.

          November 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm Reply
          1. lol

            Then maybe you want to explain the killboard data to verify what you just said? Because right now to everyone who was actually fighting in that war against some crazy insane odds, you are talking a whole lot of bullshit.

            November 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm
    4. jim

      They don't need to be blue but they can still work together.

      November 6, 2012 at 4:17 pm Reply
  6. flesruoykcufog

    this is the beginning of a new HBC type set up i thinks.

    With NC. as the pseudo PL and the rest to make up the masses like TEST.

    Will be great to see how this pans out i know alot of pilots that have learn ALOT helping DotBros out and now N&sup3; is a place to grow.

    With the friends NC./Nulli have made this could get real interesting i see a big triangle HBC – CFC – N&sup3;

    November 6, 2012 at 8:48 am Reply
    1. eve player

      a big BLUE triangle named EVE, with the Goons on top, controlling the technetium

      November 6, 2012 at 11:32 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        we aren't going to blue goons sorry.

        November 6, 2012 at 12:54 pm Reply
  7. Random Nullsec dude

    A- I wonder what happened to Black Legion?

    B- I hope that this new coalition stand in the face of hbc… otherwise… game is ruined and those PL Decko sucking will spoil the game

    C- I hope Goons will enjoy their long list of blues…. really a good accomplishment .. but the type of accomplishment that no one respects.. get a life!

    November 6, 2012 at 9:43 am Reply
    1. M1k3y

      BL is hiring out to SOLAR, and they are still losing the war.

      In other news, Kula Kain has joined BL. Anyone who knows Kula knows what this means for BL… nice knowing them, they did well while it lasted

      November 6, 2012 at 11:38 am Reply
  8. Draco

    Good to see Nexus (my alliance!) up on Eve 24 :)

    I'm a relative new guy, and only been playing EVE since late summer, and for most of my time I've been part of Nexus, enjoying every minute of it (even the war decs!). Its mostly because its a very friendly group were you can ask questions in chat and get warm and good replies, not matter how newbish the question is.

    We have mining fleets, missioning fleets we have classes, we have large numbers of free pvp rifters ,roams full of giggles and of course we have null sec ops!

    I'm also excited about this new coalition were part of and the chance we have to become mover and shakers.

    I you wana have fun, join us :)

    November 6, 2012 at 9:56 am Reply
    1. Luwc

      have fun beeing in another alliance that is going to die to CFC / HBC lol.

      November 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm Reply
      1. So what if they do? They'll have a bigger smile on their face than most Eve players. Let them go down fighting, I say. Or surprise us all with their Rifter fleets. Either way, I suspect they'll have more fun doing it playing a game than jackass dicks like you do lurking making shitposts here.

        November 6, 2012 at 3:12 pm Reply
      2. dani lizardov

        die how ?
        Last I checked Nexus dudes are with as. That will get em to shoot some HBC, CFC, SOLAR, -A- … any one and everything. Basically have a lot of fun!

        November 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm Reply
  9. Toxic_Troll

    Glad to see another coalition pop up, mabye one day the debate of "evil blobbers" is null and void, leaving only the excuse that those alliances failed due to leadership and grunts lack of will to log in when they lose a war instead of pulling the blob card.

    November 6, 2012 at 10:11 am Reply
  10. Luwc

    Still nothing compared to HBC / CFC

    November 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Funny if we had the numbers we have now in Tribute GSF/CFC might have not even taken it, your Avg Goon/DekCo guy is about as talented/Exp as a Nexus pilot in most cases since they were only taught to anchor and press F1. you can learn that in Weeks.

      CFC is not great at PVP or war but are lethally effective at politics and propaganda, and TBH a lot of it was Vile IMO. If they tried to rebuild GSF right now in this stage of Eve they couldnt.

      Simple fact is we fought more of RZR/Fcon/FA than Goons, they are very very inactive for a 9k member alliance and if we went toe to toe NCDOT vs GSF alone even though they are extremely rich we would rape them.

      If any of the members decided not to fight Goons couldnt do anything about it TBH. They only have 1 card they are good at its Laz and his Alpha fleet beyond that, they are terrible at fighting. Goons is just AAA who makes its sub members think they are equals but in reality they are sub servant. So good on them, they know they arent powerful PVPers so they use the other tools Eve provides in the lopsided game, numbers and propaganda, they are smart, but getting on the high horse saying this is nothing compared to CFC is simply not true.

      Right now if HBC decided to fight CFC they would melt them, CFC was bringing 400 man fleets and 700 on massive formups with Drakes or Maels. HBC is bringing routinely 800 members 650 in Apocs 150 Elite killing machine types in NAPOCS and the largest Supercap fleet in the game.

      IMO CFC is going down as soon as HBC gets rid of all the other pieces on the board.

      November 6, 2012 at 10:25 pm Reply
  11. Luwc

    and who the fuck is nexu lol ?

    November 6, 2012 at 12:04 pm Reply
    1. Nexux are new a very promising group of pilots. I hope I will have chance to FC their T1 frigate fleet once if their FCs will allow me 😛

      November 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm Reply
    2. orz

      An amazingly shobon alliance. Their newbie enthusiasm is utterly adorable.

      November 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm Reply
    3. Marcus_McTavish

      You could…. read the fucking article and get an idea maybe. Or just sit there with your thumb up your arse.

      November 8, 2012 at 1:12 am Reply
  12. Robau

    What happened to 4O1K, wont they be part of this coalition?

    November 6, 2012 at 12:21 pm Reply
    1. nope

      no because they made a stupid decision to go to Venal, why? not a clue. Leaders must of been drunk

      November 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Actually that is very sensible, nice one 401k.

        November 6, 2012 at 3:41 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          so they can keep farming goons in umi or wherever, good luck to them.

          November 6, 2012 at 4:36 pm Reply
      2. Guy

        What's wrong with that? Sounds like they'll be having fun.

        November 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm Reply
  13. Nem

    Tl;dr version: Another anti-coalition coalition.

    November 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm Reply
  14. -A- FC

    Nulli are ex IT Pets many of them came from the break up of IT and the Atlas block. They lived mostly uncontested for some time in the far south west they fought off red alliance then a difficult fight vs test and PL before giving up and going north to make a name for themselves and possibly grab some tech, which they did. Nulli are pretty laid back and know what they want conversely they have proven they will quite happily turn their back on allies.

    NC. are not any old alliance but they formed from elements of the old Triumvirate. They have recruited a wide range of good PVPers and formed a cohesive PVP based alliance which is well proven. They used to follow PL around before HBC was formed then they joined DRF and tended to prefer using subcaps supported by supers (not the other way around like the rest of DRF). After Solar, -A- and allies killed DRF, NC. turned on Raiden their once allies, took their tech moons and formed a NIP with goons, which lasted for about as long as goons had other pets to throw under the bus. Goons then got bored and tried to throw NC. under the bus, with hilarious results, .bros formed and the war dragged out. NC. are quite intense and what others would refer to as 'bitter vet' PVPers they are quite rigid in terms of command and they often run on internal drama and are obsessed with FOTM and being on the 'winning' side.

    The rest are random elements or recent allies of -A- that live in the south and don't want to move, don't want to be direct Test pets and to be honest would be just as happy if not more so with -A-.

    Is this coalition going to be better then the 'SoCo' blue alliances, yes I'd hope so? However at their core they are very goal/ FOTM based with little staying power if things don't go their way. Don't fool yourselves this is a subcoalition of HBC and hence CFC brought in to grind space, just as DRF brought in controlled chaos last time -A- and ally space was invaded. That didn't work out too well for them either.

    Is the south going to be better place full of unicorns and rainbows now? No.

    Is -A- and their allies going to crawl under a rock and die? No we love and live for this yearly fight however long it takes.

    Is test bluing up the south, yes. All welcome the new southern goon coalition, SFC! Let the EVE winter war of 2012 begin!

    November 6, 2012 at 12:50 pm Reply
    1. dgg

      the thruth this time is, that -A- has lost all control of what happens now. there is no power block that gets bored to grid endless space from -A- and has no real renters for it in the back. this time the powerblocks give away the space to people who wants to live there and really know how to fight. this time it is not controled chaos or n3mesis, some clown alliances that dream of an own region, this time people will grab the space and defend it very effective.

      -A- has lost their war this time and has no exit strategy ready to go.

      November 6, 2012 at 1:58 pm Reply
      1. Hatersgonnahate

        Not only that but -A- continues its policy of stabbing its blues in the back, setting pet against pet, etc. Well guess what. They have run out of friends. Well no maybe SONE… will help them, lol!

        November 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm Reply
        1. fqf

          we have plenty of friend left despite the propaganda being thrown around. open your eyes, kid.

          November 9, 2012 at 9:33 am Reply
        2. heh

          -A- doesn't stab its blues in the back. That doesn't even make sense. Stop reading kugu shitlord and use something called logic.

          It is Nulli that stabbed -A- in the back, if you want a better use of that word, and now they are attacking -A- because it's an easy way to get space. N3 is simply spina bifida coalition.

          November 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm Reply
    2. Alwayslaughaha

      All you ever do is cry man, what's the problem?

      November 6, 2012 at 2:00 pm Reply
    3. lel

      S2N spent a year biting their tongue re: -A-, despite deep frustrations that began with -A-'s conduct of their 2011 fall-back to Stain. As a matter of culture, Nulli would rather fight a losing fight than simply concede the game. They swallowed these annoyances, nearly ran their alliance into the ground during those months of putting up with -A-'s antithetical practices, then helped -A- retake their lost space, most notably by nigh-singlehandedly running the reconquista of Omist from RA. For S2N's efforts, -A- rewarded them by promising to give half of S2N's sov to the exact same RA that they had just finished savagely bludgeoning.

      There are few hatreds like fidelity abused.

      November 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm Reply
      1. U know who

        Funny, you seemed only capable of biting your tounge when you had sov. How's that?

        Funny, you bitch about RA but youre NIPing HBC for sov. aren't those the guys how invaded Delve? You will be grinding space for HBC – just like TJA…

        Funny, you're taking space from those that came to your aid.

        Nulli culture is fleeing difficult situations towards greener pastures when things get tough. It's your history that defines your culture, not words.

        Rationalize it all you want.

        It saddends many of us, Nulli has become TJA with better kill board.

        November 6, 2012 at 5:51 pm Reply
        1. lel

          Yes, sov was the entire reason they bit their tongue. I'm not gonna deny that. Progod and Guderian long yearned to go wulfpax-nomadic so they wouldn't have to put up with Herc's bullshit. Well, as it turns out, Nulli lost it space, and with it they lost their reason to hold back their bile. They found new partners to work with (actual partners, not slumlord tyrants who are unwilling to do any work but also refuse to let anybody else take over the work that they consider "rightfully" theirs), honed their techniques in hard-bitten, rearguard northern fighting, and are now coming home to pay back a laundry list of complaints.

          If S2N thought that -A- had a credible plan for putting up a concerted resistance against the HBC, they never would have left in the first place. I mean, they went to help out NCDOT up north, and everybody saw the writing on the wall up there – it was never a question of whether Tribute would fall, only when. It was as hopeless a fight as anybody has seen in EVE, and still S2N went willingly into it. The difference, again, was one of planning and strategy. NCDOT intended to make a fight of it, and they planned around ways that this may be effeciently done with the available resources. They also had realistic exit strategies for when they realized that the situation was utterly untenable and further resistance would no longer produce results. They integrated their allies into war planning, took their concerns into consideration, and (mostly) responded sensibly to developments on the ground. And they did all this while simultaneously persecuting a war against Solar in Geminate.

          -A- did none of these things. The only planning Herc and Maka had was "wait for them to get bored of taking all our space" followed by "take it back eventually once they stop caring about us". May as well bank on winning lottery tickets and being able to hire hitmen to take out Montolio and Shadoo; both plans are about equally well thought-out. The entire war strategy coming out of -A- Command might as well be summarized by "shut up and pray". The difference between -A-'s defense of the south and NCDOT's Tribute resistance is night and day, and -A- should think long and hard as to why they were not able to achieve similar results. It certainly was not due to a lack of TZ coverage, nor was it due to a lack of available caps/supers. The only thing lacking was -A-'s will, and everybody around them knew it.

          November 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm Reply
          1. Leet PvS

            It is true it is clear that -A- defense wasn't great but another reason maybe that HBC are actually being lead by reasonable FCs as opposed to CFC FC's who still warp Rokhs and Maelstroms to zero on AHAC fleets.

            To be fair -A- have had good sucess with the "Stain Fortress" tactic and as anyone will point out to you Catch isnt a region that has much that you would want to fight for and keep so might as well let HBC structure grind for a while. I agree that the "shut up and pray" tactic is terrible but for -A- it has been a strategy that has indeed worked time and time again. Right now its just a matter of seeing how long HBC can sustain the perma camps for vs the zombie horde that is -A- who just never die.

            November 7, 2012 at 8:21 am
          2. TJA Fya

            At the moment there are 150+ PL / HBC in LGK camping 5 AAAC/-A- in station :)

            -A- is somewhere in the west or east doing some fun roams, or killing caps in ROL space. You tell me who is haveing more fun.

            November 7, 2012 at 1:04 pm
          3. I just do not know

            We even have a couple of fail -A- in Cobalt Edge, especially one in a sabre who died twice in quick sucession, green killboard time, LMAO!!!!

            November 8, 2012 at 11:47 am
          4. U know who

            Thanks for admitting as long as you were getting something from us you bit your tounge. What you lack in integrity, you recover somewhat in honesty. A whore that's open about it to speak.

            Nulli"s cause was lost in the north and still you fought nonetheless… Your "partners" have been paying you to fight. If you look at the path you've taken it's been a stepping stone of isk ISK sources (FW)…the opportunity to chase tech and at the very least buddy up to a new sugar daddy. If that ISK faucet dried up, I expect Nulli would have been on their way again.

            It understandable to an extent, ISK drives the game, but trashing and subsequently attacking those who've helped you shows little class. Coming back, setting up a NIP and helping those that we originally defended you against puts Nulli on Par with Raiden and Yes, TJA. Ironically, Herc has been pretty positive internally about Nulli saying they needed to do what they needed to hard feelings…. BuT he isn't rationalizing shitty behavior. -A- consists of more players than Herc and Maka…..And those pilots spent a lot of time and resources helping Nulli.

            -A- had a PROVEN plan and you knew what it was going to be. additionally, everyone knew Nulli was being attacked by PL in the hopes we would commit Supers and Titans. Nulli was simply "bait". -A- attempted to gain additional Supers/Titans via Raiden, who proved to be completely worthless. Our options were limited at best when fighting a COMBINED CFC/TEST/PL fleet. If you recall, CFC came in only when TEST and PL struggled. Once CFC showed what would you have us do?

            Nulli runs up North to fight CFC sans PL and TEST and then brags for "losing slower" ….
            Really…Ya Think? Do you think for a second if PL and TEST were up North with CFC (as they were in Delve)
            NCDOT would have committed supers? Do you not think the combined CFC/PL/TEST would have the exact same results in Tribute. I don't know if you noticed but Catch didn't exactly fall the day after you left -A- held off a PL and TEST for some time. An enemy roughy the equivalent of the CFC.

            Now Nulli joins TEST in the grinding of your old "friends" space……classy.

            If -A- had friends as opposed to hangers on like Nulli, RA and Raiden , things might have been different. We didn't have a shitty strategy – we had shitty friends.

            You need to do what's best for Nulli, that's cool you want to get in on the land rush. . Just be honest and stop trying to vilify -A- in a fictional defense of what's left of your own integrity and honor.

            Nulli's better than that.

            November 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm
          5. guehehe

            There's one point of commonality between all your friends, and that is *you*. If it seems that all of your friends are bailing out on you, perhaps you should look at yourself?

            November 8, 2012 at 11:13 pm
          6. ?.?

            Guehehe, how dare you add logic, we need emotionally fuelled but ostensibly rationally delivered arguments that are full of holes.

            Time and place, Guehehe, time and place.

            November 13, 2012 at 10:02 am
          7. funny

            huh nulli start loosing figts in delve so they backstab those who came to help em and after they start evacing it was -a- covering thier assets, so they moved north for easy fights with nc., but what happen gypsy left nc. bl left nc. and sudenly nulli saw oh noes no easy fights lets move somewhere else, oh look -a- is fighting 1:5 lets take some space from em, and oh i forgot they need some1 good with pl lets call nc. and invite em to our new coalition of backstabers, nc. is loosing space so they need something to save their aliance and wont see us as hyenas hehe

            so there u go nulli

            November 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm
      2. -A- FC

        Thanks for the info, here is my view from within -A- command take it or leave it.

        So -A- Nulli and a few others faced off 1/2 of eve and 2/3rds of the then broken supers in EVE. There is no real way to fight a sov battle vs massed broken supers indeed vs massed supers today it is not much better. The 2011 fallback to stain and redeployment to attack xxdeath and assist Solar defeated the DRF, Nulli was frustrated about killing the biggest threat ever seen in EVE with sound tactics that won?

        Despite multiple attempts RA refused to side with -A- before DRF and refused to come to terms afterwards, so with the help of nulli ROL solar and other allies, RA and their pets got sadly ground into the dirt. I remember fighting large battles in Omist with Nulli as key allies doing an awesome job but Nulli always wanted to run their own fleets without -A- pilots and wouldn't join -A- fleets in any numbers. -A- respect independence and Nulli got allot of respect for this.

        We never wanted to kill RA, a well respected independent alliance which is one of the oldest in EVE.

        Nulli complained about needing good fights and how they had enjoying fighting RA. So we gave RA space to live in and gave Nulli exactly what their leadership asked? If this isn't what was sold to the grunts, sorry talk to your leadership?

        When the whole of the goon nation came down to squash Nulli and RA and everyone else -A- and our other allies fought whilst Nulli and RA just seemed spent after the fights vs PL. Nulli just wasn't interested in fighting for their sov and once again wasn't really interested in joint fleets.

        You can view this as truth or something else, but I was there in the fleet and in command channels when I heard the discussions, trying to join Nulli CTA fleets and getting stonewalled. It makes no difference now if you believe this or not so please don't believe it but at least question what you are told.

        November 7, 2012 at 12:28 pm Reply
      3. EvE

        This is very much the truth of the matter. -A- was loosing the war against RA, Nulli and co came to assist and had repeated astounding victories over the RA renters and then later over all opposition. This put the RA coalition into disarray and -A- came out of stain and made a comeback from extinction. -A- completely oblivious to who had saved their alliance then gave away delve to the very alliance Nulli bros had saved them from. The Nulli coalition in the South were very good up and coming pvpers with a promising future but this attracted the wrong attention, in the defenses of Delve -A- as well as all of the the Southern Coalition needed to appreciate if Delve fell, the South fell. The only chance the South had was to though everything they had at Delve but of course this didn't happen.

        November 8, 2012 at 11:11 am Reply
    4. dani lizardov

      Lol Now I know where the -A- are hiding now :)
      they are all here in evenews. Spamming all -A- Related content :)
      Just one question:

      How this came to live:
      "NC. are quite intense and what others would refer to as 'bitter vet' PVPers they are quite rigid in terms of command and they often run on internal drama and are obsessed with FOTM and being on the 'winning' side. "
      after this:
      "Goons then got bored and tried to throw NC. under the bus, with hilarious results, .bros formed and the war dragged out."
      Witch is wrong again anyway… Thanks for the SPAM.
      You can actually try to listen again on the NC. meeting again, you might pick up few things

      November 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm Reply
      1. *cough*troll*cough*

        What witch? Where? I see no witch? I knew there was a reason cloaks worked, witches mess with your mind. Thank you for opening my eyes

        November 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm Reply
        1. -A- FC

          Beware the witch! I listened to it but after a while it got all a bit; 'whine with your cheese sir?'

          Alliance meeting = propaganda

          'Leaked' alliance meeting = still propaganda

          Keep believing you are told like a good little grunt, don't let hard cold facts get in the way of all the upwards licking.

          November 7, 2012 at 11:41 am Reply
          1. goon

            still a better side of the story than from some spammer docked in aaa station , spamming evenews with his narrow minded view of new eden

            November 8, 2012 at 9:02 am
    5. Marduk Hate

      U MAD BRO?

      November 19, 2012 at 11:55 am Reply
  15. cpt obvious

    NC. are blue to PL/Test. Does this mean that HBC will not fight against this new coalition?

    If that is the case, only Solar are left to be the only enemies and AAA who are gone in the four winds of eve and are not giving back any fights.

    This new coalition would be nice to go against the HBC, but this massive blue HBC/Nulli/NC. coaltion with the purpose to fight AAA (who are long gone) is a bit pathetic in my opinion.

    November 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm Reply
  16. Joe

    “NC. has been around for longer than most alliances. They have an extremely rich history. Sadly, I was not an avid eve player during the early years of NC and only recently was able to admire this long lasting Alliance for who they were”

    Ermmm….wrong. NC. have been around for 2 years. There are many more Alliances who have been here much longer.

    November 6, 2012 at 1:27 pm Reply
    1. Alwayslaughaha

      Well I suppose you could say they are in fact Triumvirate, but something tells me the guy that wrote the article doesn't know this.

      November 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm Reply
      1. Exversion

        I knew they had "re-grouped" so to say into another alliance. I did not know the original name. I will update that today to reflect the point. Thank you for the information tho.

        I also knew that the article would be incomplete and I would need to rely on the responses of others to update it. :)

        November 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm Reply
  17. anon

    shitty coalition however lead by a good alliance, I expect it to fall by winter. kadeshi, mildly int, hun and pangu are shit.

    November 6, 2012 at 1:35 pm Reply
    1. john

      no idea about kadeshi but only time i have seen kadeshi is when we were fighting AAA in south and "some" of them joined, yes they help alot by bringing stuff like 20 logi ships to the a fleet and some more special stuff like that, but never really heard of them other then a few pilots of them here and there in battles.
      any idea how many they actuall are active? is it like 20? 50? 100? 500?

      November 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm Reply
    2. Observer

      I think your informations about the alliances you criticized are equal to zero. The shit you talk about comes out of your mouth good sir.

      November 6, 2012 at 4:54 pm Reply
    3. lossmail

      CLEARLY you know those alliances more thoroughly than the propaganda your leaders fed to you.

      November 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm Reply
  18. Imperial Fail

    Good on Nulli, I have more respect for Nulli Secunda than most other alliances in the game. They came from nothing, had it all and then lost everything but their resolve.

    November 6, 2012 at 2:14 pm Reply
  19. Right in the truth

    I think with the success of HBC and CFC, many of the alliances that have been pushed from their sov have come to the harsh realization that eve has changed. It has become a numbers game, a small core of experienced high sp pilots simply cannot inflict devastating losses against an enemy that is 5x (or more) the size. The CFC now has the SP, the numbers, and the wealth to overpower anyone. These elitist alliances now realize how important it is to pull in new blood and pad their fleets. They must adapt and grow or they will die.

    The massive shift in SOV towards the CFC and HBC is a direct result of them treating new members so well and nurturing their own growth over the last 2 years. There are so many alliances without sov right now or (like AAA) about to lose what sov they have. Red, NC, Nulli, Raiden, (everyone from delve) have all been pushed out of their sov in a relatively short period of time. It's a matter of weeks until the map is 3 major blue powers, Solor/irc, HBC, CFC.

    The homeless alliances need to continue down this path of letting old grudges go, adapting to the eve of 2012 and beyond, banding together, and welcoming new blood. If they do not, they will never be able to call themselves sov holding powers again.

    November 6, 2012 at 2:29 pm Reply
    1. U know who

      Good points.

      The only place I disagree is equating Sov to the life of an alliance. Alliances have done well with or without sov. Alliances that focus on PVP rather than Indy have a much easier time about it. Alliances that focus on a smaller core of older players tend to have multiple accounts – providing an alternative mechanism to earn ISK. It's not too difficult to get a toon into many of these blob alliances and actually rat in space recently vacated.

      At an alliance level things are harder financially, and benefits like SRP and SuperCap purchase assistance are put on hold. Most older players have a level of self sufficiency that newer players have not developed, thus the burden on the small, high SP alliance to "provide for" it's members is significantly less than an organization like Tribal or TEST. Alliances where there's a much greater dependence on the corporation and alliance for day to day needs for newer players.

      This is the best part…..After the war, If you don't own sov, you can more or less ignore the blob.

      A small group of focused, skilled players can be highly disruptive to a much larger carebear focused group. while a coalition can fight a sov war as a blob, they can't run daily operations in such a manner. The south is exceptionally exposed to financial disruption from guerilla war as renting, indy and ratting are the primary income activities that can be easily shut down on the attackers schedule. Comparatively, as comparatively, in the North, where moon mining accounts for a large amount of revenue, scheduled POS timers favor the blob defense.

      Things are about to get interesting. There actually are corps and alliances out there whose primary focus is PVP and have no need of sov. Black Legion comes to mind as does PL in their pre metagame days. 0.0 will be filled with new sheep to shear for months to come.

      November 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm Reply
      1. Right in the truth

        Well said, but I think even you could agree that numbers help in any situation. Whether it's sov or nullsec pvp focus. NC leadership said it themselves "we did want that space".

        However, I still believe there is a huge untapped potential for income for many sov holding powers. There are SO MANY bearing mining/industrial groups making so little because they live in high sec, when they could be doing the same things in the some of the backwater, dead end, constellations of the blue sea. They could be producing raw materials, ships, and mods, as well as a small taxable income for the sov holders (which they get for doing nothing but saying "okay"), while these workers are making more money than they are now while still in relative safety. I know this isn't a new thing, but it seems greatly under utilized.

        November 7, 2012 at 2:11 am Reply
        1. Urziel99

          Most of those same groups are also incredibly risk averse and can be camped into a station by a cloaky in short order.

          November 7, 2012 at 5:34 am Reply
    2. -A- FC

      Soo, if you have no space become a goon pet! No thanks I would rather have -A- die, which isn't going to happen as we have been called dead for a long time.

      For your information -A- is made up of many hardcore new and old PVP corps and newer players and other then a few exceptions is a different entity then it was 2 years ago.

      -A- as an alliance and an idea will always be independent, alive and against anyone trying to impose their will on us and will stand with anyone else who will stand up and be counted. This makes Goons and their little pets angry and scared. Is -A- coming? Is -A- dead? bubu…bu.but they are losing all their sov and don't take on brand new players or join some big terrible coalition of terrible alliances.. So soso they are dead right?..

      It is quite comical to be the bogie man of all goon pets in EVE given how small an entity we are in comparison. All those pets really don't help if a small -A- fleet turns up in local looking for a fight and make 3x their number run away making accusations of blobbing in local. Just remember, we are nowhere and everywhere sleep tight little goonies.

      November 7, 2012 at 11:57 am Reply
      1. umad

        lol, i too inflict terror to my enemies by being docked at the station

        November 8, 2012 at 8:52 am Reply
        1. lol

          lol, i too inflict terror when I don't undock unless I have twice the numbers

          November 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm Reply
      2. Right in the truth

        I'm not implying you should be anyone's pet. I'm just saying a lot of alliances in eve have common enemies. There is a lot of untapped potential for alliances like yours to grow and nurture the rise of strong allies. Much like CFC did with Test. Adapting, growing, and changing for the future will decide who is on top in the years to come. I see a lot of alliances abandoning their pets when war comes, and fighting people who have the same enemies as them. The result of this is just feeding CfC and HBC, who end up absorbing many of these entities.

        Eve has become a game of numbers and a is a game of long term goals. Anyone who doesn't accept this and doesn't adapt to this will not be able to compete in the endgame anymore. If you'd rather your alliance be an annoying fly on your enemies ass instead of a powerful war machine that can take them on, then by all means continue with your stubbornness and die by your pride.

        November 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm Reply
        1. -A- FC

          -A- has engarde for new corps it also has -A- cits for brand new players industry types or for people who don't want to have to fight for sov and would rather support in ships / resources.

          Each corp in -A- has a training corp and most the people in -A- now have only been in -A- for about 1-2 years.
          So no we never take on new people and we treat all our guys badly which is why we are a very stable alliance at times when any other alliance would fold, reimburse CTA ships and reward individual PVPers who excel.

          -A- know EVE has never been a game of numbers in the long run, the blob eats itself. Eve is about having an Idea and living up to it and enjoying it.

          For -A- existence is to fight especially against those who seek to impose their will. Sure we piss some people off with our PVP and with our hard headed approach to diplomacy but we bring and inspire independence in our allies and do respect it in them.

          For Test they exist to consume and blob up, subverting or attacking anything that is next to them and picking apart anything that they subvert or manage to kill to fill their own / pets ranks. They bring nothing to the game and cannot work alone and need others to lead fleets and grind space for them.

          This kind of blob is always unstable, always has been always will be, losing your idealism identity and independence to eventually fail in a blob? Do you really want to play eve like this? No thanks.

          So if this fail blob somehow holds it together and independent alliances we respect like Rol, Solar, brick, coven, other stain alliances, gypsy, IRC, RA and the curse based entities are gone or subverted then you don't get much of a choice anymore, will you care, probably not?

          Though all this -A- will be there, fighting against whatever you got, on our own terms against those who have tried to destroy us.. and this is really why Test and PL hate us, that is all their is after you peel back all the propaganda and crap.

          November 19, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
      3. Would rather self destruct as well…

        November 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm Reply
    3. I just do not know

      I mostly agree with you but its best to let stinking dinosaurs like -A- die first so that we can start with new fresh blood that are not so arrogantly stupid that they alienate everyone around them. I have often wondered if it would be possible to get a coalition together of wanabe alliances, but they will ahve to deal with the current top alliances who will band together against anyone who upsets their apple carts…

      November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm Reply
  20. be nice to see a new power block in eve, sick of hearing about the CFC & HBC.

    November 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm Reply
  21. bit of info

    From my interaction with Midly Intoxicated they like to hot drop 24/7 and seem to be quiet good at it. Just putting that tid bit of info out there. Sounds like a solid coalition!

    November 6, 2012 at 6:29 pm Reply
  22. Observer

    The CFC/HBC Big Blue Blob against N3. Cool. I predict N3 fights hard… and ends up getting lots of kills… and looses all their sov… and ends up in faction warfare again.

    November 6, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
    1. Exversion

      Depends on how much time they are allowed to incubate. Given enough time, N&sup3; could go toe to toe with the HBC or the CFC.

      Just my observation.

      November 6, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
  23. aaaaaaaa

    NC. has more that a couple titans. NC. has the third largest super capital fleet in Eve.

    November 6, 2012 at 6:52 pm Reply
    1. zef


      PL are the largest, no contest

      But the next few positions are quite contested

      Raiden used to probably hold this position, but with Ankou gone and X13 and some of their other corps they are far too long down,

      NC. might hold this position, but while it is a supercap heavy alliance, it is overall rather small

      Against ALL authorties are another contender, even though they arent actuarly *using* their supers.

      Goonswarm Federation might have amassed a large super power, but historicaly they have not had a sizeable one, and while the CFC's super fleet are massive, then it is between all the cfc alliances

      Thoose are the top contenders on my list anyway, but the following alliances are probably very heavy aswell

      RAZOR alliance, one of the old two main alliances of the CFC and tech rich though many many years and with some of the large Morsus Mihi corps, i dont got any insider knowledge, but they seem to have had the means, the time, and the organisation and the size to have a massive supercap fleet.

      The Initiative, but like raiden, fairly small in overall size, but with age to have one and with historical ties to other heavy super alliances

      November 7, 2012 at 2:10 am Reply
  24. twats

    Mildly Intoxicated is the hotdrop focussed alliance you twat, do your research!
    also did well on atx last year with okkee as cpt.

    November 6, 2012 at 6:59 pm Reply
    1. A buddy of MI.

      Yeah they clearly had no clue who the TWATs are.

      It'd be interesting to see if TJA join this group.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:17 pm Reply
      1. fuckin twats

        look down at my post you TWAT "From my interaction with Midly Intoxicated they like to hot drop 24/7 and seem to be quiet good at it. Just putting that tid bit of info out there. Sounds like a solid coalition! "

        November 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm Reply
      2. anon

        They tried, they got told lolnowai

        November 7, 2012 at 2:00 am Reply
  25. Backdoor Man

    Nulli is coming out with a new alliance logo. This is one of the possible selections.

    Considering its a pussy, on its back, with no spine makes it a perfect fit for the Spina bifida alliance once known as Nulli Secunda. The rest of the scrubs joining their coalition aren't even worthy of a logo or even an insult, they are perfect at disgracing their own names just fine all by themselves.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
    1. -A- FC

      No Nulli was a great alliance full of good pilots, its not their fault their leadership decided to sell them out.

      November 19, 2012 at 7:15 pm Reply
  26. True story

    By the way the goons&pets were able to win the war in tribute only because CCP had changed the rules when the
    war was already started (it's a shame, CCP pets, best pets). Without the nerf of the tracking titans the war evolution could
    have been much more interesting…

    November 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm Reply
  27. Nerds Unite

    N cubed? really? what is this? A 90's white trash hip-hop group?

    worst. coaliton name. ever.

    November 6, 2012 at 10:27 pm Reply
    1. Exversion

      You're just mad cause it breaks away from the typical "**C" Coalition name.
      I could start calling it N&sup3;C if you'd like? or N3C

      November 6, 2012 at 10:34 pm Reply
    2. -A- FC

      We call them bail coalition

      NC. bailed on their allies in the north to fly with PL and hence test.

      Nulli bailed on their allies in the south to get some Geminate Tech.

      November 19, 2012 at 7:14 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        I am sorry that Raiden feels we betrayed them even though we started trying to fight Goons with them albeit we were a little bit late. We entered the war on their side while they still had most of tenal and they left the war leaving us to fight Goons on our own which cost us 3 titans and 15 or so tech moons yet you question why we felt no remorse in taking Vale and their tech when they got so mad at Ankou for wanting to join Nc. they forgot that they were the holding corp and lost all their sov when they kicked them out.

        November 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
  28. Exversion

    So… Just for discussion sake as the chances of it happening are simply non existent.

    What if -A- were to approach N3 and offer their alliance to the Coalition. What if Nulli and NC threw away old grudges and allowed -A- to join the ranks of N3.

    What if -A- actually threw their archaic ways out the window, and applied their full attention to the well being and growth of N3.

    How would the EvE Universe change at that point?

    (As stated, this theoretical environment would, in most realities, never happen. But it would interesting).

    November 6, 2012 at 10:41 pm Reply
    1. JoJo

      That's never gonna happen, not a chance,

      i can whit all Honesty say that there not a single dude in Nulli HC there want to have anything to do whit -A- and there Leadership.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:21 am Reply
      1. Exversion

        Yes, was just a fictional scenerio and attempt at humorous discussion. 😛

        November 7, 2012 at 12:30 am Reply
        1. Leet PvS

          If we imagine that this were to occur. It is likely the NIP between HBC and N3 (please ogod not Hellnaw) would not exist since they are hell bent on killing -A-. If -A- did join N3 solar would likely reset aaa since obviously they would have jumped sides. Hell HBC would probably add N3 to their list of targets for harbouring -A-. This would likely not be good for N3 since they would then have to fight Solar+BL and HBC then for taking in -A-.

          Again the chances of -A- joining N3 are almost impossible at best. Nulli wouldnt join them again for obvious reasons and i dont believe NC has ever expressed any tiny amount of wanting to ally with -A-.

          November 7, 2012 at 8:07 am Reply
          1. Observero

            And vise versa. NCdot was (partially) formed from -A-, and after a few days of "no we are not attacking you" jonied WN (under a NIP) to invade catch.

            Same with Nullie. As far as -A- thinks, Nullie wanted to fight solo, then asked for help and bailed when -A- wanted them all to organize a propper coalition. Dont forget, nullie was welping nagas and gillas, while -A- was burning tengus trying to stop PL/HBC/Goons.

            November 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm
          2. anonymous

            "And vise versa. NCdot was (partially) formed from -A-, and after a few days of "no we are not attacking you" jonied WN (under a NIP) to invade catch."


            November 7, 2012 at 2:25 pm
          3. LeDouche

            Your masters are filling with you with lies my freind..

            Nulli tried for weeks on end to get the leadership of -A- to adapt and get back into the fight, and A leadership even agreed to try and shake things up, but after repeated attempts of actually making the changes needed to organize a defence with little effort or response from -A- Nulli bailed as it became clear that -A-would never change.This is why you are using your same old tactics of hiding out in NPC space instead of defending your shit.

            But fear not, the might of MM leadership is in charge now, so you are surely heading for a bright and promising future.

            November 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm
          4. U know who

            Unless something astonishing happened, I simply can't see that happening. Both -A- and Nulli grunts feel deeply resentful of each other. Vince is incrementally nudging Nulli towards PL and TEST so that die has been cast.
            It's more likely that N3 AKA the "spina bifida" coalition will eventually blue up HBC as they have already negotiated a neutral NIP which is essentially a blue with pew pew benefits.

            November 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    2. Stuff

      Okay, if the hypothetical did happen, it would be a big hugfest, or a war starts and it becomes a more onesided (to cfc) soco war since the N3 guys were first to ditch the soco war and all the real backers and support of -A- lost their space and are no longer in a position to send their support at this time.

      November 11, 2012 at 4:17 am Reply
  29. TESTBro

    So Riverini… You still in the NC? And you have a NIP with the HBC? And you still think the HBC are DekCo?


    Checkmate. Guess you have to join solar now.

    November 7, 2012 at 1:43 am Reply
  30. Gunny

    Non-Cooperation….its what is allowing HBC/CFC to steamroll everyone left in null, but hey you can always become a bitch for HBC like PL, Raiden and others. enjoy your tempoary sov it wont last long.

    November 7, 2012 at 4:19 am Reply
  31. Fuck Nexus

    Nexus didn't TAKE a system in Geminate, they lit a cyno and Nulli did it with supers. Since that happened, Nexus has been perma-camped in Ikami and dying everytime they undocked.

    November 7, 2012 at 5:04 am Reply
    1. Rifters4Win

      It's pretty easy to camp a station that is basically empty. Pretty close to the entire alliance has moved to the new staging area. As for Geminate – we brought a 100man pure nexus sub-cap fleet, but our buddies in Nulli had jumped the gun a bit and started to kill it before we got there. If you want to fight, why dont you come down to CKX?

      November 7, 2012 at 5:43 am Reply
    2. Camped huh? nice, wonder if those guys will wait till we will deploy there :)

      November 7, 2012 at 6:26 am Reply
    3. Well love rifters

      As already mentioned, all of Nexus is redeploying. So all 10 of your active alliance can sit outside of the station killing the odd miner who doesn't listen to orders. Not one of you showed up to fight our 100 man Rifter that u mock so freely and you lost your station. Now you have resorted to camping a high sec station with the hope of bagging a few noobs! Wish our corp was more like yours!

      November 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm Reply
  32. Blues?

    I'll just leave this hear…

    November 7, 2012 at 7:21 am Reply
    1. Right in the truth

      I'm not saying they can't win battles, I should have been more clear. They can win fights, but they certainly can't inflict this kind of damage on the scale needed to win a sov war.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm Reply
  33. I like the way eve map looks now. More new coalitions will arise. Empires will fall. All this HBC and CFC and other big coalitions consist of loser alliances. Alliances that were defeated by somebody else some time ago. Alliances that are incapable of standing their own ground themselves, people who look for a shelter under stronger alliance's wing. These loser alliances will drive their coalition to end when time will come, when those with will to fight and thirst for blood will push them and will go to very end. That happened before, it will happen again.

    November 7, 2012 at 8:51 am Reply
  34. Isee

    If this coalition succeeds, then nullsec will be just divided among 3 blocks, keeping "fake neutrality" masked by NIP. This NIP will be based on lack of interest to invade neighbors, because of fear to lose current lands.

    However, there is one thing that is more important than sov or every item in game – it is member base. CFC and HBC leaders are interested in growing their ego, more than anything else. For that, they need members. They will try to steal them from their allies within coalition and when it could not go any further, they will attack other entities – not for space, but to bring their members misery, that would make large part of them to switch to the winning side. When enemy uses blob power to win, there will always be people who will look for "arguments" like "leadership does not have good concept of fighting 1:5" or "our ally does not give us relevant support" or when they run out of stupid excuses, "culture" argument comes.

    November 7, 2012 at 9:43 am Reply
    1. I think our block will once again say "Fuck this sov crap" and will SBU something somewhere 😀

      November 8, 2012 at 9:55 am Reply
      1. lol

        No your block will end up in a war with someone they can't fight, lose, and then whoever the coalition leader is will be blamed for "stabbing allies in the back" because they lost. That seems to be how it goes these days.

        You either win a war, or you somehow backstabbed your allies because you lost.

        November 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
  35. Guy


    November 7, 2012 at 10:01 am Reply
  36. Guy

    So what happened to INK and Whyso? I know they were pretty decent and could field regular 100 man fleets. Did they get left out of the list by accident or have they gone off to do their own thing?

    November 7, 2012 at 10:57 am Reply
  37. someone

    nulli bailed on -a-*

    November 7, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
    1. hmm

      this is true, i was there when nulli went fuck it we are off and everyone said their good byes

      November 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm Reply
  38. some w-space hermit

    This could be interesting. Though I'm a complete (k-space) nullsec outsider, I've always liked Nulli if only because they always seem to be willing to mix it up and try something new. Their fleet comps are inventive, they will often fight against impossible odds, and of all the nullsec alliances I've heard of they seem to be one of the few that are genuinely in it for fun. How that will mesh with the idea of a "coalition" I'm not sure, but I will at least look forward to hearing how their latest crazy ideas play out.

    November 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm Reply
    1. EvE

      Well said my good man.

      November 8, 2012 at 11:35 am Reply
  39. Mario

    Well the pieces are moving, soon Delkin will burn and the Mitt's hubris will be on full display.

    The sacking of Delkin will begin in December, with VFK falling by Christmas, and the GSF has taken every piece of bait to allow this to occur. With the majority of their fleet deep in the north east their flank is currently unprotected on the North West side, it is ripe for the picking. HBC will open the front there, and the GSF will be forced to relocate.

    But how do they accomplish that, with BL. holding Venal the NCubed and NCC have a clear shot to a back door assault on many regions. They also have the ability to close the noose around the majority of the GSF fleets pinning them into Tribute and Vale, allowing for complete control of the flow of traffic. GSF would be forced to fight its way out of the Pocket it has created, or abandon their kit in the North East and return to the North West.

    In either regard, Mittens has allowed his objectives to cloud his overall vision. HBC and NC. are friends, they have been for a long time, the driver of the TEST short bus PL and NC. history go back further than the Delkin Coalition, and the history of the HBC include NC. a commonly ignored fact.

    I have said it numerous times, VFK will fall by Christmas, and the GSF pets will have new overlords to serve.

    Farewell GSF you have been warned.

    November 7, 2012 at 6:08 pm Reply
    1. Right in the truth

      They will bridge wherever they need to be, they won't be trapped anywhere. They outnumber their enemies (who won't work together anyway) and HBC will not betray CFC. It would literally take every other major alliance in eve working together to bring down the goons. NC, Solar, IRC, -A-, all working together would still have a tough time evicting the CFC. But all these groups are fighting each other and HBC is not going to betray CFC. You dream sir.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:56 pm Reply
      1. Mario

        Riverini, fix the damn auto delete when certain names are mentioned.

        November 8, 2012 at 6:31 pm Reply
      2. IRC Grunt

        Riiight. IRC will never leave Cobalt Edge to help anyone fight anywhere. They wont deploy south. They can't for christs sake, Tessa Yor charges her own Alliance retarded prices for fuel. That's one rich bitch. She bought a Titan just off of market profits. from her own alliance.

        November 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm Reply
    2. OrangeAvenger

      Whats it like to be delusional? I've always been curious.

      November 9, 2012 at 10:07 am Reply
    3. agsdg

      You are fucking retarded lmao

      November 11, 2012 at 2:39 am Reply
    4. ahahahaha





      November 11, 2012 at 2:40 am Reply

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    November 8, 2012 at 2:22 am Reply
  41. SHippy

    OMG the powerfull "BEGARDS" Alliance has arrive! Prepare yourself garbage collectors and drugs dealers!

    November 8, 2012 at 5:49 pm Reply
  42. Renan Ruivo

    Pretty happy to be part of Nulli at the moment. They always have well organized fleets, competent and respectfull comms and a very friendly community of players.

    Almost three years i've been flying with them and never a dull moment.

    November 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm Reply
    1. Mkay

      Thats sum bullshit if I ever herd it. Have had nothing but bad run-ins with faggots from nulli, from attacking and halting blue logistics to whelping fleets for their "birthday". Nulli can eat a bag of dicks.

      November 10, 2012 at 8:00 am Reply
      1. Renan Ruivo

        No, you haven't.

        November 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm Reply
    2. LNAWbestNAW

      K I laughed at "competent and respectfull comms". Yea we get shit done but you make us sound boring as fuck. And what good is TS3 if not for kicking and banning random people?

      November 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm Reply
      1. Renan Ruivo

        Now compare it to -A- comms.

        Or better yet. FAIL.

        November 10, 2012 at 9:59 pm Reply
        1. LNAWbestNAW

          Yea, but honestly I miss -A- comms. I cant put Makalakalu on speaker and use him to discipline my kids anymore.

          November 11, 2012 at 2:28 am Reply
  43. guest

    Unsure why people keep thinking NC. = TRI. NC. is nothing like TRI was, doom and RA were part of the original tri and burn eden were part of one version but all these corps have changed quite a lot since then, especially doom. People need to let go of the past and except they are two completely different alliances.

    November 8, 2012 at 8:49 pm Reply
    1. -A- FC

      Anyone who was true TRI. left or quit eve when they goon pets for Tech.

      Some came back for the war vs Goons and fought like lions.

      I know allot of them are livid at being basicly a pet of Test so they can hold onto Tech, which is why I remind them allot. Their rage is good and just and they should act for independence if they want to be the alliance they always wanted to become.

      November 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        You are really really dumb. First we weren't goon pets. We didn't fight people fighting them and we didn't help them all we did was make an agreement not to shoot each others tech moons. If it wasn't for Solar attacking Geminate we probably would have redeployed close to delve and shot them.

        Second we aren't a test pet either sorry. We don't need them to hold onto our remaining tech moons in Geminate and as long as it is just you guys and brick squad we don't need Nulli or our other bros either. Does it bother you that you are a Solar pet? Seems they let you die vs Goonswarm/Test/Pl. yet you still crawl back to them. Solar fights alongside goonswarm so does that make you guys Goonswarm pets too. Funny how that works isn't it.

        November 19, 2012 at 7:34 pm Reply
  44. grunting

    These guys, along with Gypsy and pets, are keeping Solar and pets busy while the HBC grinds the South, and Goons grind the North. They have to batphone PL to really get stuff done, hence they are really just the advance meat of the HBC. As previously noted NC. and PL have strong ties.

    So, we have Goons and pets, HBC and pets (these guys fall there) and Solar and pets as independent entities of significance.

    So, once Solar falls and Goons/HBC finish purging their pets, what is left? Probably Goon invasions of high sec and unknown space.

    November 10, 2012 at 5:58 pm Reply
    1. -A- FC

      'Neocurse' Gypsy and RA are independent and attacked solar long before this whole Test pet gayness started..

      Don't tar them with the same brush.

      They are kinda screwed though with the conflagration going on in the south, I know they will fight to be independent of the blob at least.

      November 19, 2012 at 7:23 pm Reply
  45. observer

    These guys are just the front line of the HBC. They call PL and Test to actually get things done.

    So, the game is now Goons and pets (et tu CO2?), Test and pets (including these N^3 guys) and Solar and pets.

    Goons Online is not far away!

    November 10, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      coming from a group that has showed over the last few months that it rather work with Goonswarm then against them aka solar and pets

      November 10, 2012 at 9:59 pm Reply
    2. Yeah.... right....

      Yup, Nulli are the biggest flipfloppers around. They can talk skill but always hide behind whoever seems more powerful. Ie with -A- for soco, then ditching once things got tough. Then come back talking big while test is who did all the work. Snore. Won't be any fights, just another CFC fight. If an actual war started somewhere, would be station games and hiding back in npc space.

      November 11, 2012 at 4:14 am Reply
      1. Treston_Cal

        They actually ditched after most of their space was taken and they were left with PB. Can't say logistically, I would blame them. Can't jump shit out there without a few jumps through hostile territory in a carrier.

        November 11, 2012 at 11:21 am Reply
        1. Thats fine… But the maine thing that makes Nulli completely suck is, well… you dont gotta lie on -A- to save face lol.

          November 11, 2012 at 1:28 pm Reply

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