Nulli Secunda held an alliance meeting today. I will sum up the soundcloud for the finer points:

– Nulli Secunda will be moving South to Immensea
– Nulli Secunda and allies will be grinding Sov in Immensea, Tenerefis, Omist, Detorid and Catch
– Coalition is small including: Nulli Secunda, Nexus Fleet, NCDot, Pangu Alliance, The Huns, The Kadeshi, Mildly Intoxicated
– Still has contact and friendly status with WhySo and INK
– Will continue to fight Solar Fleet on the Eastern Front
– Brought on corporation from Ewoks into the ranks of Nulli to supply a new EU FC
– Pushing for more participation to take space
– Looking for far more fights in the south
– Respect the Alliances in the Coalition
– Immediate move to the South


There is still debate and discussion on the name of the coalition.

UPDATE*** NCDot will be moving down in the next couple of weeks. Those pilots with large amounts of assets will be moving to lowsec immediately. Keeping some wartime assets in the Vale to continue the fights there.

A lot of praise for Nulli and the new Coalition from Vince. You can hear the NCDot recording below:

– Exversion


  1. brightest crayon

    All of this is can be summed up in 1 word, E-PEEN. -A- did treat it's allies like shit, I along with many others witnessed it. They considered them pets, talked down to the base membership, deployed 50 people into a warzone and called it helping, etc. etc. etc. Regardless, certain things are true, -A- has no real allies left, at this point everyone saying fuck you to them proves there wont be a "comeback" this time. Nulli now has 3 alliances, nub secunda, nub tertius, and now nub legio which i refer to as nub lego. A little excessive dont you think progod? yea they were bound to flip once they saw how little effort -a- put into defending the region. Shouldnt have come as a surprise, considering -A- stated they didnt care about the area all they cared about was catch. NC. did their thing vs goons in vale, with the help of nulli, and gypsy, and many others. What i see not mentioned enough is how nulli has flipped on their allies in the past SEVERAL times. First sight of trouble be careful NC. cuz nulli will flip on you as well. I personally think they should be treated as solar fleet is, for being back stabbers, running as soon as it gets tough and always flipping sides. You damn right nulli got a NIP from HBC all they gotta do is grind more -a- for them.

    November 5, 2012 at 11:25 pm Reply
  2. fredthecabbage

    So to sum up the Nulli/NC. strategy here: can't beat them, join them.

    November 6, 2012 at 10:16 am Reply
  3. kkekeke

    NC. took a dump on solar in the gem war preceding the Trib war with CFC.

    -A- will undock 5 tengus then redock before quitting.

    this space will be steamrolled.

    -A- is terrible

    November 7, 2012 at 2:38 am Reply
  4. ganky mcgankerson

    moving means ganky time!!!

    November 7, 2012 at 6:26 am Reply
  5. eve noob

    HELLNAW +1

    November 9, 2012 at 5:57 am Reply
  6. BntyHunter

    This made my day, goons vs IRC with similiar numbers and IRC wiping the floor with them….LOL

    Dont tell me flying with NCDOT didn`t help there fighting or confidence, also they are using our Hero Cat design.

    Lol GSF you got spanked by IRC, that is funny, Great Job IRC

    November 11, 2012 at 5:37 am Reply
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  8. M1k3y

    Wow… how do you get on the internet with such a low IQ

    November 4, 2012 at 7:32 pm Reply
  9. fail

    Why the hate? you try to bully people around and are probly the worst alliance in the game.

    November 4, 2012 at 7:35 pm Reply
  10. fail

    -A- is shit, they treat allies as shit and now dont have shit

    November 4, 2012 at 7:37 pm Reply
  11. Catch Resident

    "but we will be helping our few allies that stood by us"

    Like you helped out all your other Allies in the recent past?

    November 4, 2012 at 8:12 pm Reply
  12. BntyHunter

    Lol your funny.

    The Nulli you guys viewed as pets, are not the same who was newly formed.

    I would put these S2n guys up against -A- anyday.

    November 4, 2012 at 9:31 pm Reply
  13. fail

    they did take on test and pl untill they called in their allies…then nullies allies(-a-) pussied out and refused to help or even undock

    November 5, 2012 at 2:25 am Reply
  14. Poision Kevin

    You must be really retarded to think that PL/TEST will openly season NC./Nulli considering they owrked together to blap SOLAR Supers along with BL. Carriers…

    However, once south/east is done, we'll see if it's either a war between HBC+NC./Nulli and goons, or if people settle down and only sparr on eachother for a while with NIP's left and right.

    November 5, 2012 at 7:27 am Reply
  15. War Observer

    You remember when Shadoo was bulshiting about -A- abandoning ROL? Well

    Things is you people should learn no to trust and mindlessly regurgitate goon pet propaganda. Tell what you want about ROL, -A-, PIZZA and few others that gave up their sov because they refused to become goon pet, but they chose correctly, independence and self respect is more important then planting a flag and few ISK more in alliance wallet.

    I know most of you don’t know what freedom in EVE is, but I’ll tell you. Freedom is in EVE is not having your alliance leader using alliance meting as a podium to brownose subhuman dregs like Montolio, or find self value in goon propaganda pamphlets. It was pathetic to hear how much pride that Nulli guy took in fact that mitani has some semi-respectful things to say about them. How low must one fall to find self validation in goon drivel? Well Nulli, how low, I’m waiting for an answer?

    November 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm Reply
  16. Makalu_Zarya

    Nicely put!

    The whole not helping allies thing is starting to sound like some really old bullshit at this point…No we clearly didn't help nulli…we welped about 4 times more ships than they did defending their space, but no that doesn't qualify as help.

    There are some people who will remain loyal come hell or high water, the rest can go ahead and do what they want. Fair weather allies will always come and go. One day when HBC falls apart all these people will come running back to the winning side, that's how it has always been and that's how it will always be.

    Grass is only greener on the other side for a while, history has shows this to be true over and over again..enjoy it while it lasts.

    as for Nulli nip with test…honestly at this point you are either with them or against them, there is no middle ground. If you are not against them then you are with them.

    November 4, 2012 at 9:34 pm Reply
  17. timmy

    Well said

    November 4, 2012 at 10:28 pm Reply
  18. Makalu_Zarya

    You are on!

    November 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm Reply
  19. I would like to know how do you KNOW sooooo much when it comes to everything that is against -A-.

    November 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm Reply
  20. NullSecHoBo

    The "with us or against us" narrative works as well in Eve as it does in the real world – not much at all =P

    It may serve your narrative of being the one of the last bastions of pvp against universal serfdom by the HBC/CFC, but that NIP thing is one serious straw you're clutching on.

    November 4, 2012 at 11:05 pm Reply
  21. BntyHunter

    Lol your funny.

    The Nulli you guys viewed as pets, are not the same who was newly formed.

    I would put these S2n guys up against -A- anyday.

    You burnt all your bridges and badly. You say guys like NCDOT arent loyal etc but think about what you guys have done.

    1)Init+PL kicked you out of space, you hid in Stain under ROL+Stainwagons protection.
    2) Waited for PL to get bored of you simply not undocking or chasing you.
    3) Came back and beat Init only with the help and Supers and numbers of ROL+Stainwagon who was alot of guys, at least 150+ more guys per fleet and in most cases just like GSF had more numbers fighting for you than you did.
    4) Claimed you beat Init and then took it all back into Bot-Land`s

    Also you helped kill IT somewhere in there.

    Then you tried to act like you were still the kings and told RA they could have space and Nulli they could have the same space both whom together could and probably should have told you to stay the fuck out or we will take your space together.

    So you turn 2 Alli`s against eachother to the point they were both war weary as SOV fighting is hard on the Eyes and Soul.


    1) Test+GSF come down and start kicking ass with huge numbers
    2) Then you did literally nothing even though before you acted like Nulli and RA were your pets, meaning yo told them they could fight over Delve and they had your blessings as there master but when it came time to help them stop a 3rd party from taking ALL THERE SPACE you didnt help them at all. You told them they should band together and fight.

    So 2 groups who had been killing eachother and were simply tired now were forced to Alli on your "Orders" but you rendered no aid even though it was your shitty plan in the first place that the war happened. Both fought for you and were your Alli`s but since you thought them pets not Alli`s you left them to die or move out like renters.

    Basically you cant tell your friends from renters, either you are a renter or -A- but nothing else. You act as if you are the reason you own your land when in fact Init in the day would have clobbered you if you didnt have Stain+ROL etc.

    So after screwing over Nulli who was loyal and followed your "Plan" because YOU promised 2 Allies the same land instead of forcing a peace and dividing it you made them fight to keep them weak so they wouldnt be a problem for you, after all that when Nulli and RL lost all its space because you, you called them traitors and cowards because they moved.

    In reality only a Pussy would fight for a guy who screwed him over that badly, you wanted whipped dogs to come back and fight for you now after you didnt help them at all in any step along the way.

    1) HBC formed BECAUSE OF YOU, PL hates you, and TEST wanted to break away and needed here own space GSF hadnt given them, so they needed to earn land and break out and PL needed numbers to lead, they did the exact opposite you did and included people called them equals and people loved the feeling of being true Allies not treated like shit.
    2)You swore you didnt see your Allies that way by telling peeps to look at Alli`s like ROL+Stainwagon etc whom you have had forever.
    3) HBC comes and starts to Blob/Steamroll you and in every fight ROL is there by your side.
    4.) HBC comes to Catch to Hunt you both through Stain and through Catch.
    5.) In a massive few fights HBC fights ROL alone and you dont show up

    Then the straw
    1) HBC attacks ROL`s main area and you promise to show up with a fleet
    2) On the way you stop to get juicy kills, and instead of just going to help your buddies whom you literally would not exist without you see this as a chance to finally kill a PL/HBC Fleet and bragg/bring up morale so you show up 2 hours after the battle ended and it turned out if ROL had just 100ish more guys the fight/Space could have been kept or at least they would of had a chance in a 400 vs 250ish fight.

    Screwing over your last and best Alli.
    1) Some are so pissed [rightfully so] YOU forced ROL to split down the middle with one side wanting to stay and help Alli`s and the others who realise you dont have Alli`s you only have meatshields and renters.
    2) The split ruins ROL basically, the new entity that is basically heart and soul ROL is now called Unclaimed.
    3) Unclaimed takes tons and tons of Systems in weeks ahead.
    4) Then in state of the union you explain you "Owe no one" and "No one owes you" the second part definitely is true but you owed ROL+Wagon everything, they saved you so many times you explained to enemies and friends "If HBC comes we will just fallback to Stain and wait it out"
    5) You claim in speech you are the last "Real" PVPers and are a small alliance, and your full time job is PVP no matter how outnumbered


    November 4, 2012 at 11:42 pm Reply
  22. BntyHunter

    Pretty much story so far.

    Everyone hates you except SOLAR who only need you for numbers, and who realizes they arent counting on you, because you cant be counted on.

    Nulli will come down with there bro`s, and us [NCDOT] will fuck you with PL/HBC fucking you from other end and you will spin it some how into you are the last bastion of PVP in Eve and others need so many numbers to beat you while you side with Solar [the 2nd largest Entity in Eve] but main point is, you fucked everyone else…So now its time for you alone to get gangbanged.

    I say this with no malice but its the truth, we NCDOT`ers are PVPers and we are that small alliance you spoke of who fights against numbers usually. But this time you pissed off so many peoples, fucked our friends so many times and know want to fight with SOLAR not because you are loyal but because now that you boned ROL and they basically have turned into Unclaimed. you have no one else to go to, you cant hide in ROL space anymore because basically they dont exist because of you.

    From NCDOT dont take it personally we are fighting you, its what we do fight just like you talked about in your speech 50 times, I`m sad to see older alliances get killed I truly am, I was an enemy to MM but was sad when they left because its a part of Eve history dying, but if ever at anypoint any Alliance deserved to get mapped by its own previous Alli`s it is -A- here and now….You cant go around raging at guys who were helping you and leaving allies to die or worst fail cascade and not expect it.

    Be real, FAIL, ROL, Stain, Nulli, RA are all IMO victims in one way or another from you…..Funny how most of Fail is either Nulli now or NCDOT and want to kill you, ROL is now Unclaimed and wants to kill you RA is part of the pack who fights SOLAR who you chose so now wants to kill you, Kadeshi who was hardcore loyal and mildly intoxed who was also very loyal are all now going to steamroll you.

    Like you said when you thought you could still boss everyone around, "You dont owe them anything, they dont owe you anything"

    part 2

    November 4, 2012 at 11:43 pm Reply
  23. BntyHunter

    Your one of the worst sorry to say. You raging at a guy in comms that badly, and later talking about Pets this and pets that, HBC actually convinced me of this [although I knew it all the time….

    You really do only see -A- and everyone else is either an enemy or a Pet on a Leash, you dont have Buddies/Bro`s and the ones you say are buddies are screwed over.

    November 4, 2012 at 11:51 pm Reply
  24. fail

    wow makka is obviously a faggot now who lies on evenews to try to save face

    November 5, 2012 at 2:27 am Reply
  25. Multi-linguist

    english translation: WAHHHHHHHH!!!!

    November 5, 2012 at 6:25 am Reply
  26. Makalu_Zarya

    You know I was going to write a long and elaborate reply to that, but after rereading it I realized that you are basically rewriting what others have said on kugu without actually having a clue…so yea…welcome to the HBC bluetrain I guess. We will enjoy ruining on your parade when we find it convenient and have you cry about how we don't undock at other times.

    oh and on the final note…-A- will be around long after you are a distant memory.

    ps. at the whole "clutching at straws" thing…sorry bro…i'm merely stating facts. Either take them for what they are or pretend like i'm making shit up, it doesn't change the facts however. Your interpretation of those facts I leave up to you, not going to try to convince you of my interpretation.

    November 5, 2012 at 12:01 am Reply
  27. BntyHunter

    Good, then lets see how many more you can rage at :)

    S2N arent the same pups you left, they have fought just as outnumbered as you and for there size are way way more active.

    They got Evoke guys, Fail guys, basically a ton of great ALliance members who are very very battle hardened who are also very active. Not to mention since you are a "Small PVP alliance" of 4k members both us [NCDOT] and Nulli will count as Nulli and you alone will count as -A- since its only fair right.

    It wont happen that way but I can dream, in reality SOLAR will be on yourside GSF still fighting us and HBC fighting you, fraid it will be 10% TIDI time fights.

    Otherwise if it was just NCDOT+Nulli vs AAA you really think you would beat us? Without retreating? I just dont see it, but we will see. Stoop giving HBC ammo for thre campaign by raging like that, all you had to do wasdrag him into channel and talk with him, just some advice, you sounded like Vince with a bottle of whiskey in him :)

    November 5, 2012 at 12:07 am Reply
  28. fail

    lol maka would just refuse to undock and make up some bs reason

    November 5, 2012 at 6:01 am Reply
  29. BntyHunter

    Prop`s to having account others are to scared to live with there posts and they cant vote 10 times or post as a fake name just as much.

    November 5, 2012 at 7:20 am Reply
  30. Marduk

    You ruined the SOCO with your " they are pets attitude" I've also been in your fleets where you warped us to a POS and the logged of because you got Mad after you welped the fleet!

    Rt click disband that shitty RMTing alliance of yours and go back to playing Helli Kitty Island adventure!

    November 5, 2012 at 11:07 pm Reply
  31. War Observer

    You talk of truth but all you do is regurgitate out goon propaganda. You are goon tool just like your leader Vince. He spent last year sucking up to goons and now when he purged last serious anti goon elements from his alliance he can't stop talking how wonderfully successful goons are and haw their model is future of EVE, as he does so as he drags his alliance in to another goon pet coalition. Let me tell you that NC. is already dead, no ability po pursue independent policy any more, just one more among countless goon pets, receiving sov at the mercy of not even Mitani but Montolio of all people. From now on you will do as you are ordered to, or end up like Jagged Alliance, BDEAL, Blak Mark, Viking Empire or any of other idiots that thought their alliances matter, now you will know what being true pet is like. Bend over and take it.

    November 5, 2012 at 12:09 am Reply
  32. eh?

    How did -A- 'bone' ROL when it was ROL corps that defected and flipped their own SOV, while -A- was busy being invaded at their home space?

    You guys really need to differentiate between -A- not being able to help and -A- "pushing allies under the bus."

    Are you guys this oblivious that -A-'s enemies WANT to destroy -A-'s reputation with comments like this that don't actually make sense?

    If you fight a coalition much larger and more powerful than you and LOSE, it's the way of the game. It's not throwing allies under the bus.

    November 5, 2012 at 3:39 am Reply
  33. Spaceninja

    you know theres a big difference between fighting the CFC and fighting the CFC + PL. you never did that because you are blue to them, so you don't know what you are talking about

    November 5, 2012 at 3:41 pm Reply
  34. S2N had teeth when they left Delve. Sure they quit, but they didnt fold to test, and left as a coherent entity, a strong force, and a valued but sadly ex-ally. Teeming up with NC. and dancing to the HBC flute is a sign of weekness, not strength. I respected them and was cautious of them then. Now im not. An alliance that cant stand on its own without a list of blues is not a threat. S2N left as true lions – and decided to return as kittens. Instead of fighting for themselves, they decided to fight for others. That is not the motivation that destroys other alliances…

    November 5, 2012 at 1:07 am Reply
  35. Jarod

    But i was there when you told ROL to duck and run to stain and that no other option was acceptable. I dont need Kugu or anyone else's opinion to know.

    I still remember you standing down a fleet for being camped in station while PL and test were aborting a titan belonging to ROL, and we fought while waiting for your help.

    So… i guess, stfu?

    November 5, 2012 at 1:09 am Reply
  36. Макалу, не пизди. Сумонь Тека, ты беспомошное унылое гавно. Тебе не флот а рифтер доверять не стоит, ты его в белте об астероид ёбниш.

    "We will enjoy ruining on your parade when we find it convenient" Only after you will make Tek Enetherum to resub and babysit you, coz you are incapable of doing anything on your own. You are utter shit as an FC. and that is said by many competent FCs before me and will be said by anyone who will ever see you FCing.

    November 5, 2012 at 11:54 am Reply
  37. NoAnswers

    You were gonna write it , but didnt.

    Thats all you ever say and your bitches upvote you.

    All you do is threaten to answer questions then when he ask`s short, clear ones you dont answer shit.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:50 pm Reply
  38. save everyone

    I remember that day, ROL had all of 38 people in fleet. I would have loved to help ROL, but we can't help those that can't help themselvs. I guess it is just easier to blam everything on -A-.

    November 5, 2012 at 1:47 am Reply
  39. Makalu_Zarya

    oh boy an ex-ROL traitor…yea i was there and i said what i said. But you people decided it was easier to run away to the other side than salvage something out of the situation when the time came. I'm sorry I can't help you if you don't have the balls. Enjoy your pet status.

    I hope it was worth it.

    November 5, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
  40. heh

    It's to blame -A- when their ally itself is incapable of any kind of defense. If -A- is having trouble fighting the megablob (2nd biggest coalition in EVE blue to the CFC), then assume it's -A-'s fault? LOL

    -A- could not win guys, so that means they threw their allies under the bus? So in a perfect world -A- would have to win it seems, that's the only way they are good allies. You guys are ridiculous

    November 5, 2012 at 3:41 am Reply
  41. fail

    shit -a- propaganda dectected

    November 5, 2012 at 2:29 am Reply
  42. BntyHunter

    Lol yea I love mittens and have made it publically known….LOL

    You are retarded I hate the blue fest more than anyone, you talk about NCDOT and Nulli being Blue tools when you go and fight for your masters SOLAR? The 2nd largest group in Eve is you guys now.

    We have 1600 in NCDOT, also Vince wasnt saying how good Goons model was and how we needed to adapt to it you tool, he said like a man they beat us, he also then said they beat us using shitty CCP mechanics but they beat us non the less.

    See we like to own up to losses we dont act like -A- who gets curb stomped fighting even better odds than we were, and losing there space and trying to say they are winning by undocking.

    I dare you to find us a time we got camped in, even when we had 200+ Goons moving towards us 2 jumps out we undocked. And if you dont know a 200+man gang is moving towards you in advanced….your spying sucks ass and you need lessons which is a PVP related game.

    Say whatever you want until CCP re does Sov mechanics us small [1500ish Alliances not 4k+4k pets] Will always be outnumbered and wont be able to hold off. We were always buddies with PL and will probably remain but we would never join HBC because we want to command ourselves, its why we arent leaving right off to go fight down south, but have no doubts you guys are about to face a shitload of hurt coming your way, once PL finally catches you and you have no more map to hide in you will have to fight outnumbered and until you undock you will bleed members like a open wound.

    Did I mention you will have Nulli and the rest of your former bros gunning for you also, not because they like HBC, but because they hate you.

    Also we are by far more hated by Mittens than lol AAA, you guys really arent much of a force anymore politically or PVPwise, so TBH I dont think he cares enough.

    We are dead? Coming from a 4 year old corpse thats funny, the real AAA is gone and dead you are a zombie of your former selves. No more BDCI, Fail non of the old guard is still with you that put AAA on the map as a PVP power. We are alive kicking and have so many Corps applying its rediculous because peeps understand we really are the independants you just talk about it and the good old days we try to actually make it happen win or lose. We won 80% of battles outnumbered 2.5-3.5 to 1 odds but lost the war, you guys won what 30/70 with same odds in Napocs vs Tengu`s and then stopped undocking?

    Please how me proof of all these major wins, we have videos of us slaughtering 3-4x our numbers and plenty of them, please link me your great victories, then show me some corps who want into AAA right now. Proof you even are alive in any real sense.

    PL says you gave up, you said you will be back but this time without allis?

    November 5, 2012 at 4:35 am Reply
  43. Makalu_Zarya

    unlike certain other leaders in this game i tend to stick to the truth…it generally works out better in the end. But then again you did quite conveniently called yourself Fail…hence I'm not really surprised at such a comment.

    November 5, 2012 at 3:32 am Reply
  44. BntyHunter

    When -A- was defensless they sure helped you out, thats what brothers do.

    November 5, 2012 at 4:20 am Reply
  45. fail

    -a- should of brought more that 40 dudes to help out their allies that field more than they do the faggots get what they deserve

    November 5, 2012 at 5:57 am Reply
  46. BntyHunter

    Taitor because he was betrayed by you not showing up?

    Or because he harbored you and kept you safe in stain when Init and PL had you on the ropes?

    Seriously you guys bragged how many times you fell back to stain, theres a word for that.

    If he is a traitor for having enough and being sick and tired of you not helping guys you owe your existence to then I say you are a coward for every year allowing your enemy to take your SOV and ruin themselves and bragg about it.

    Man you sure should be proud how fast you have become at evaccing assets…..Your own leader said it. "We now are super mobile because its like the 4th time we had t evac to stain"


    Come on Mak where`s the Rage?

    Seriously I have no reason for wanting -A- gone, I have nothing to gan from it at all, except to say maybe some good pilots would get spread around and used alot better than they are now, and maybe before the old AAA we all respected may still have some dignity, its like watching a combat legend shit his old man diapers and get beat up by a 15 year old group of punk kids, when he should be in the retirement home.

    November 5, 2012 at 4:40 am Reply
  47. fail

    fuck you maka, you are shit and i lul in your face as your alliance burns faggot

    November 5, 2012 at 5:56 am Reply
  48. ProudUnclaimed.

    Lol traitor

    You mean they were sick of your raging gay ass.

    Also it wasnt 38 ships it was a group of battles with 220+ ships from ROL with no AAA not one of them.

    We didnt bring PL here, that was your mess. And we had to face them alone, outnumbered.

    Then this BntyHunter guy tells the real history, and you take the pilots who should have been helping us and have him negative voted. You have hidden behind us so many times in the past I cant count. Without ROL just like he said, there would be no AAA

    Anyone who follows you after you treated them that way is a Bitch, with no self respect.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:57 pm Reply
  49. Makalu_Zarya

    Dropping alliance, without passing sov to the holding corp and basically taking sov to the new alliance which is hostile to the original alliance is treason as far as i'm concerned

    November 5, 2012 at 4:44 am Reply
  50. BntyHunter

    Yeah your right teaming up with BL and NCDOT both of whom amounts to 3k members fighting a 30-35k member coalition is a sign of weakness?

    You are retarded or cant do math. They left one frying pan into another fire. Just with differant teamates whom they liked alot more.

    I could say staying with AAA`s 4k+4k citz+all of SOCO at the time would have been a way way bigger sign of weakness esp when there enemy was what? 20-25k.

    They joined a smaller group, to fight a bigger enemy and guess what, they whooped ass.

    Lol you talk of blues, they never had so many as when they were blue to AAA, when they were with us in NCDOT they wernt blue to PL or half of our blues…..They got stronger not weaker look at KB`s, hell just look at math. Sorry but CFC is so large they control 1/3rd of Eve HBC controls 1/5th tops. Doesnt soun like alot but CFC has 35k members, with the leader Goonies having 9k alone, with HBC having the largest be TEST but only 20-25k….The difference is 10-15k more members…..Imagine that its the entire number of SOCO combined more than HBC had.

    Nulli showed there balls more than ever coming north to fight another hopeless battle but earned so much respect Eve wide its not even funny, now instead of almost cascading like they were with AAA they have so many Corps wanting to join they literally are swamped in App`s.

    All your logic has been disproven, prove me wrong please.

    November 5, 2012 at 4:52 am Reply
  51. fail

    lol i love how people take the "we are friendly" as the same thing as allies

    November 5, 2012 at 6:02 am Reply
  52. CFC/HBC pet no 4543

    Thats a popular line with ass clowns that blue everyone in eve. The fact is the from HED clockwise around the map to the edge of NC. Solar space, exist entities that will not attack each other. 'Don't treat their allies well' is a piss poor excuse to try to deflect attention from possible the largest coalition bloc in eve history.

    November 5, 2012 at 4:53 am Reply
  53. BntyHunter

    Maka tell us the truth please. Here and now

    Did you use ROL to save you from Init and PL? Yes or No
    Did you brag about running and waiting till enemies got "Bored" and you took catch back?
    Did you help ROL in every situation you could? Yes or No
    Did you get slaughtered more times than beat the Napoc fleets of PL/HBC? Yes or No
    Did you not say in your comms "We owe no one anything, and they owe us nothing"? Yes or No
    Did you not laugh about, and refer to some of your Ally`s as "Pets" on comms?

    You wanted truth answer please, if im wrong let me know but answer them first. Thx

    November 5, 2012 at 4:59 am Reply
  54. fail

    your still a faggot who abandons allies saying you arnt in a coalition but i seem to remember when drf knocked on your door it was all hands on deck faggot… i laugh as you losing your rmting alliance

    November 5, 2012 at 5:58 am Reply
  55. Kirk

    U stick to the truth maka are u FUCKING KIDDING ME ur a Propaganda spouting mouthpiece for -A- stfu

    November 13, 2012 at 6:16 am Reply
  56. Makalu_Zarya

    Read up…there is the truth for you. If that doesn't answer your question then I cannot help you.

    You however seem to know all the answers anyway, so i'll leave it up to you to tell everyone else the "truth".

    Can you also write my biography while you are at it please?…i'm sure you will do a fascinating job.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:05 am Reply
  57. AAA grunt

    During the INIT/IT/PL etc invasion, the first station we saved in the counter offensive was a Stain Empire station. Then we retook a ROL stations and defended ROL space and only then did we start grinding back AAA space. Not to mention we ground down ROL space from goons and gave it to ROL in the first place.

    I've lost plenty of ships for ROL, so you desperation here is evident.. Its not our fault, your history is lacking.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:41 am Reply
  58. BntyHunter

    they didnt drop they changed Allies altogether.

    Whats worthy of treason is watching homies/bro`s die when if they had your aid they would win a great battle, and that battle deciding the fate of that Alliance so all because -A- stopped and fought for some kills rather than stick to mission and help Allies in desperate need.

    There was hundreds of times ROL+Wagons extra 100-200 guys meant losing to Init in a horrible flame or beating them to a pulp and making them run, ROL did this, you didnt do it many times. They had enough, it wasnt treason because you broke your word before hand saying you would assist and changing your mind all for "GF`s, good kills, etc"

    I know how easy it is to use TB`s and JB`s to move from Catch to that region, its easy to evade a fight and go help, instead you wanted kills and saw an oppurtunity to get easy ones.

    They didnt commit treason [ Also treason implies you are there king, if anything it was backstabbing, but once more you do think they all are your servants]
    They [most ROL] realized you were simply un reliable at best as an alli and made a new alliance, Unclaimed. a Alli with no ties to you taking space that was theres, and killing there new enemies who ignored and boned them.

    They [ROL] were in way over there heads before vs IT, vs Init PL but stuck loyal and because that you lived, you honestly think they would have betrayed you in this time unless they felt slighted first? You boned them, they said ok screw AAA they arent good friends they onl act like it when it suits them, lets reform and kill them for there treachery.

    Not Treason, they just had enough of your B.S and they obviously wernt the only ones…..see [Kadeshi, Mildly, etc] all groups very loyal. Init I give you was and is oppurtunists it seems, but ROL was feircly loyal, we all thought they would give you up the first Init PL time when you were almost dead. Init offered them a deal to give you up and in turn keep there place all while looking down PL`s+Inits super cap fleet, but ROL didnt flinch……So if they left you like they did basically, they had great reason and since you owe them your lives anyways, its your own doing IMO.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:14 am Reply
  59. Makalu_Zarya

    Pretty clear to me that we play eve in rather different realities. I'll stick to mine and leave you to yours.

    Enjoy typing your walls of text.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:19 am Reply
  60. LOLz

    "Nulli showed there balls more than ever coming north to fight another hopeless battle but earned so much respect Eve"

    LOL…you ran from one war….and now you have run from another war. You are one delusional clown. And no, two failed wars, don't make you Rambo.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:44 am Reply
  61. AAA grunt

    Yet we killed more guys then you useless fucks.

    End of the day, dispite all the fucking walls of posts, the reality remains as such…

    * Nulli ran away from the first war and left its allies to fight alone.
    * Nulli has now again ran away from another war but this time has decided to fight the very same folks that tried to help them in Delve.

    You can try to polish your shit all day but you're not even close to fooling anyhow.
    Welcome to the HBC sphere of influence. Its always wonderful to see people that get their asses kicked, quit and live in submission to their former foes.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:50 am Reply
  62. Guderian3

    All this shit slinging makes me kind of sad.

    The simple truth of that matter is -A- and S2N had two different philosophies of how to fight in that war. Naturally both sides leaderships got frustrated with the opposing strategy. I have a lot of respect for -A- members, Maka is still a friend of mine, but S2N did not agree with -A-'s philosophy, so we left after all our space had been taken.

    Ill-informed -A- members can smack S2N's stamina all they want, and claim we didn't fight. In reality, we were fighting PL/TEST since they deployed in April. So we were already fighting for months before -A- ever deployed. We fought CFC for three months after that. I find amusing that we are somehow now considered to be 'CFC pets' after we just spend a long time fighting them tooth and nail.

    Anyway, see you on the battlefield.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:55 am Reply
  63. LOLSZ

    Hunter is right on the money, he isnt Nulli he`s NCDOT.

    Also Rambo surrendered in the movies after killing a ton of enemies he came in finally, so funny enough they are like Rambo.

    November 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm Reply
  64. fail

    oh looking dodging question you faggot

    November 5, 2012 at 5:58 am Reply
  65. fail

    and by that you mean losing more space to hbc and making up lies

    November 5, 2012 at 5:59 am Reply
  66. You haven't saved jack shit. You were hiding in LGK. Then ROL came in along with Stain Empire to save your pity ass. Big Bas was one who crushed DT supers in AZN. He was the one who popped Larf's titan. it was mostly ROL and SE in AZN fighting for you. It was Tek Enetherum FCing rest of your fleets coz all you are capable of is to run with tails behind you legs to LGK.

    November 5, 2012 at 12:49 pm Reply
  67. fail

    lol i know people in nulli and i know your are lieing, they fought harder before you showed up and all you did was cry on comms and said you wouldnt undock

    November 5, 2012 at 6:00 am Reply
  68. acf_cadelanne

    What successful fleets? They steamrolled through three entire regions while -A- sat in 319 and occasionally undocked in retarded loki concept fleets.

    November 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm Reply
  69. Makalu_Zarya

    too scared to tell me that i'm a faggot with your actual in-game name? If you are going to insult us and me personally over and over again then either post with your real name or just shut up.

    November 5, 2012 at 6:07 am Reply
  70. AAA vet

    I'm sorry Guderian if I fail to see a happy light to this.

    I put many hours into shooting reds in Delve for the defense of your grunts and now you come down south after yet again running away from another enemy up north, to hit my home which is under siege by the same folk we tried to defend you from? Its almost comical.

    On the issue of opposing strategy. Let me give you a tip with my 7 years of pvp experience. Only the most green deluded morons believed that a front on decisive one on one supercap balls deep battle against the combined might of the HBC/CFC would of changed the outcome. They had more numbers, more supers and a vaslty better replacement ability. Our strength came from our stamina, the fact that the CFC couldn't sit down south forever. I'd assumed this rational approach was common knowledge. I honestly have NO fucking idea now what Nulli was even expecting or thinking in terms of strategy. I was however shocked when I heard you guys quit and leave everyone to fend for themselves.

    Anyhow, class act taking the easy road and joining the stacks on along side the HBC upon us.

    November 5, 2012 at 6:13 am Reply
  71. -A- pilot

    The truth is a lot of the -A- membership still respect Nulli. We wished we could do more but it is not easy to win a SOV war versus HBC/CFC combined. We put up more fleets and welped more ships than Nulli did, if you guys threw up fleets as often as us we would have joined them instantly. We were willing to lose more, but not on the supercapital level. If there was a chance of using supers we would have done it but it was pretty obvious what would happen. We didn't get help from SOLAR and our 'coalition's power was blown out of proportion from the start to give CFC a reason to get involved.

    Nulli leaving Delve left a bitter taste, and if Nulli remained it would have been difficult to take back 49-u but doable (when you saw the fights that lead up to it). This was the only strategy that made sense, a long-term approach. Had Nulli stayed, things would be different, and -A-/Nulli together would have been able to beat the doctrines the HBC was using in the US tz. There were many fights that we did win, important ones. We kept fighting for weeks after you left.

    When Nulli went north to fight CFC, a lot of us would have fleeted up with you guys if you weren't neutral. Obviously that's not how it was in reality, but that's the general attitude we had.

    Now your alliance is forming a coalition to fight us, your old allies, who are literally the only ones fighting (a long war) against HBC. These are the guys that called in CFC for the purpose of quickly taking your SOV without a realistic chance of us ever preventing it. So you tell me how this looks.

    Because if Nulli was in our position in Delve, the results would have been the same. But we wouldn't have left the fight, which we could have won when it was HBC alone. If -A- was in your position right now we wouldn't attack you, when there is a bigger enemy to fight – the ones that kicked you out of your space.

    November 5, 2012 at 6:41 am Reply
  72. Guderian3

    And I spent many hours fighting for -A-'s space in Omist/Rifis wherever while S2N space sat untouched in PB/Delve. Don't act like -A- fought and bled for S2N and we did nothing in return. I like how we are supposedly running from another fight even though anyone can see the war against the CFC was lost after Tribute fell. You think we just picked up and left without discussing it with NC.? They agreed it was the best course of action.

    -A-'s problem with strategy is your mentality. You expect to fall back to LGK. -A-'s entire culture is based around that. That's fine, and -A- deserves credit for coming back the two times they did, I will not take that away from them. But what -A- failed to understand is that other alliances in the coalition does not share the same culture, so it should be no surprise to -A- that other alliances want to fight. Obviously CFC/HBC had the advantage, but as you saw in the north a small but determined entity can fight well against them. And before you try and claim that was because of the AU TZ, where was the mythical RU TZ that the Soco (which apparently never existed now) was? That timezone was supposed to hold back the hordes. That is why Herc cut a deal with Red Alliance in the first place. That TZ was non-existent. -A- was expecting to lose that war from the get-go, you have fleet concepts designed around running like 100mn tengus and concepts that didn't even work, like arty lokis. So fuck us for wanting to fight, right? Oh right, we didn't fight, April- early July was just a blackhole of time.

    good game

    November 5, 2012 at 6:31 am Reply
  73. BntyHunter

    They really will do anything to smear your names guys.

    Fact is you are better than 99% of Eve at what you do. AAA can act like you were these pussies all they want, but in reality you went to a much harder fight, fought 15k more guys, and didnt have AAA and SOCO who were about a 12k Coalition.

    Hell Nulli ,BL and NCDOT are smaller than AAA and AAA Citz alone.

    I flew with both, and I would put 1k real mony in a 100 vs 100 match on Nulli, they would crush AAA, and the fact that they [Nulli] keep coming with 100 man gangs and AAA who is 2x there size comes with equal size just means 1 side is real PVPers and active and 1 talks about blobbing and how terrible it is and runs to SOLAR a 20k member block + AAA`s 4k+AAA Citz 4k

    So our 8k Coalition vs there 28k Coalition, and who is blobbing who.

    But like the -A- pussies who remain anon and dont sign up for ste because they afraid we can see there past post`s and very poor Rep make an Account man please, you speak truth, but let it be recorded so it does the talking in the future for you.

    November 5, 2012 at 7:16 am Reply
  74. yep

    Renters don't fight, don't add them to -A-'s numbers to bloat it up to make it look like they are better. As a completely neutral POV, I would say 100 -A- vs 100 Nulli would be an even fight, not the way you say.

    NCdot, the side Nulli went to after Delve, is a much more significant supercapital power than -A-, with consistently active super and dread pilots, experienced pilots (yes, more so than FAIL, ROL, and the general alliances of 'SoCo') and spy network. Fighting CFC is a DIFFERENT ball-game compared to the south.

    Nulli's team fought drakes and maelstroms. -A- fought rokh fleets and navy apocalypses with triage support and supers on standby. CFC is also a supercap power like NCdot but these fronts are very different.

    November 5, 2012 at 7:36 am Reply
  75. NC.

    Mate, STFU already. I caught wind that your NC., so stop with these retarded mega posts already for fucks sakes.

    November 5, 2012 at 10:02 am Reply
  76. Alifikduzimir

    -A- is now blue to Solar …so… Goon pets.

    November 5, 2012 at 8:34 am Reply
  77. SOLAR

    Who gives a shit!. Its all words and BntyHunter is an expert in words.

    At the end of the day, Nulli has a history of flipping sides or quiting wars. I remember it versus IT, then versus HBC/PL along side AAA and now in the north when shit got tough. Now they are in the same bloc as the HBC hitting on a former ally that is already more than busy with invasions.

    Words means shit. Reputation last long beyond dead coalitions and 0.0 sov. Nulli has nothing but a history of quiting and turning.

    November 5, 2012 at 10:05 am Reply
  78. I was there!

    Actually it was a very clever answer, you however, are just too stupid to understand it.

    November 5, 2012 at 10:09 am Reply
  79. AAA grunt

    Absolutely true.

    There was a time before AAA lost those 15 super where shit was going pretty good and TEST moral was shaky. With Nulli there and RA, that war would of been won. It just a shame Nulli didn't stay. I've no love for them now however. I can't spin Nulli siding with the HBC against us at this difficult hour in any positive light. Anyhow, the fight goes on. playing EVE on easy like PL or any other TEST/CFC pets is no fun.

    November 5, 2012 at 10:12 am Reply
  80. Ты заблудился, ив ру вон там. Хотя наверное тебя там уже забанили, если ты так пишешь.

    November 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm Reply
  81. Makalu Zarya, I'm Cyaron wars and I say you are faggot, an incompetent FC and pile of shit. Is it ok for u? 😀 I guess u heard that many times from me 😀

    November 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm Reply
  82. Makalu_Zarya

    hey look at me I'm an internet tough guy ill fuck you up in a video game but in real life ill run crying to my mommy that the mean people are saying things about me. Maka I have seen what happens when you get your ass kicked in game you blame everyone else but yourself you may lead a lot of fights but as far as being a fleet commander you're eve's biggest pile of shit

    November 5, 2012 at 11:27 pm Reply
  83. You to R A Sheep

    How was it clever? he mentioned he writes a lot and said nothing but look up.

    Very very clever indeed. You guys are retarded. And getting guys to act like Nulli and NCDOT shutting up hunter is even funnier.

    Read up and find all the truth there is, OMG sooooo clever

    November 5, 2012 at 5:41 pm Reply
  84. NoStr8AWNSR`s

    You still never answer his questions when they were short, and to the point, but you have your minions, neg him because of it.

    He asks to say where the truth varies, but you decline to answer.

    So you arent this hallmark of truth and justice like you act.

    Not 1 straight answer. All of them "Obviously you cant read, The truth is so evident IDK what Eve you play in" Blah Blah Blah

    So while he writes walls of text you rage at Allies whom get so sick of it they turn and kill you.

    He didnt personally attack you, and really what could he gain but neg rep speaking the truth? All while you just say 2 liner BS answers that mean nothing or defend nothing and get people to up vote you.

    GO MAKA, master FC of no answers

    November 5, 2012 at 5:48 pm Reply
  85. Kirk

    Maka can't type an intelligent response cause he knows he wrong so says the other guy is in different reality and btw I used to be an -A- pet and was cool with -A- but then u starting red citizens in our space I immense without telling our leadership anything and when we had a Titan and super cap fleet in our systems we asked for help and ur response was GL and then after I joined The HBC I heard makalus elitist stuck up everyone but me sucks balls voice and then I knew what a bunch of elitist pigs u all are

    November 13, 2012 at 6:11 am Reply
  86. ProudUnclaimed.

    So they call Nulli pussy`s, call Vince his leader a Goon pet and he is supposed to shutup?

    "You talk of truth but all you do is regurgitate out goon propaganda. You are goon tool just like your leader Vince. He spent last year sucking up to goons and now when he purged last serious anti goon elements from his alliance he can't stop talking how wonderfully successful goons are and haw their model is future of EVE, as he does so as he drags his alliance in to another goon pet coalition. Let me tell you that NC. is already dead, no ability po pursue independent policy any more, just one more among countless goon pets, receiving sov at the mercy of not even Mitani but Montolio of all people. From now on you will do as you are ordered to, or end up like Jagged Alliance, BDEAL, Blak Mark, Viking Empire or any of other idiots that thought their alliances matter, now you will know what being true pet is like. Bend over and take it. "

    If you really are NCDOT, you should speak up, not let them shit on your Allies and Leaders name.

    Maybe he is only one with courage.

    November 5, 2012 at 6:01 pm Reply
  87. ProudUnclaimed.

    They smear his leader and call him a "Goonie Tool" Then call his very good friends cowards, and you want him to shutup.

    If you really are NCDOT mate, maybe he has more balls for calling it like he see`s it than you.

    November 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm Reply
  88. Xenobytes

    Glorious Tek was FCing but fleet numbers were always dominated by AAA pilots. I was there from the SE side. Btw, love to our AAA bros. Not everyone is gonna shit on you and submit to the goons,test,PL hegemony.

    November 5, 2012 at 11:33 pm Reply
  89. Pathetic

    You need to step back from the computer little man and step outside. For this is just a game.

    November 5, 2012 at 11:38 pm Reply
  90. This… is the funniest post Ive read in a long while.

    November 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm Reply
  91. lol

    I think the real problem you Nulli guys is you want an easy way out and just want to be on the winning side. Against HBC + CFC it clearly wasn't possible, and btw there were successful fleets. You are being lazy and not looking at all the battle reports. Instead you go by some rhetoric on kugu or some bullshit you hear from others who didn't spend 100% of their time in that war when it happened.

    Nulli is now on the side of HBC and attacking -A- because it's the easy way to get some space. You guys are the real joke in EVE right now. If you ever want respect again, better change this lack of spine thing you have going.

    November 11, 2012 at 4:09 pm Reply
  92. BntyHunter

    Friends of -A-, Ex Friends from multiple Alli`s, Kadeshi who loves you guys all the way to Nulli who obviously doesnt. Also Spais who still formup with AAA.

    With a pool that large its hard to not know a lot, you have to realize by now you are ridden with PL Spy`s as well. If you dont think thats the case your just ignoring reality.

    November 11, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
  93. Kirk

    Installing red alliance typing on an iPhone is a pain

    November 13, 2012 at 6:12 am Reply

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