I heard a rumour that Test Alliance Please Ignore (aka TEST) (also, awesome alliance name) passed 10,000 members recently, a milestone and record for Eve alliances. I checked out DOTLAN Maps this morning and see them close to that mark at 9882, and it looks like from the history graph they may have hit the 10K mark earlier this week.

Regardless, congrats to them for bringing together so many characters into a single entity.

Unfortunately, it’s indicative of what’s exactly wrong with null sec at the moment.

I took the top 121 alliances ranked by member count (because in null sec, member count is the only resource that matters) and plopped them into a spreadsheet. Then I calculated the percentage each alliances membership accounted for the total of the top 121 alliances.

Both TEST and Goonswarm are nearly twice as big as the next largest non-renter alliance individually, and together are almost as large as the combined total of the next 6 largest non-renter alliances.

For all intents and purposes, null sec has devolved into a single superpower political structure. I know that the TEST led Honey Badger Coalition is a separate entity from the Goon led Cluster Fuck Coalition, but as long as they are nominally friendly to each other, it is fait accompli that there is no alliance that can threaten them. For all the fault that lies with Against ALL Authorities for their handling of the Southern Coalition and failures in the recent Delve war, one wonders if they ever really had a chance.

However, the thing that really bugs me is players belonging to these two mega-coalitions centred on the two most massive alliances in the game complaining how stagnant null sec is and bitterly complaining on podcast after podcast how CCP needs to “fix null sec”. (I’m looking mainly at you Selene, but there are others.)

Eve is a sandbox; CCP has given tools and the players have decided to make null sec a uni-super-power political landscape. If you don’t like it, members of the coalition blob, do something to change it. Its the height of hypocrisy to sit in the most stagnant-inducing power structure and complain about state of the game.

Stop waiting for CCP to magically bail you out with some magic bullet that will never come. Mix it up, shake things up, do something different. Because right now you are not “winning Eve”, you are merely contributing to the problem you rail so furiously against.

– Kirith Kodachi

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  1. Father Gabriel

    -A- fights against the blue ball in the 0.0 and will never stop to do it, but i speak out to you sheeps who make the blue ball bigger and bigger stop that to join this dead carcasses of goon and test, stop makin a blue desert out of 0.0.

    There is not only -A- there are other alliances who fight against the blobb, join them and fix this situation. Dont be cowards, oh its so much easier to join goon test, start to think big, there is more than pve in 0.0.

    November 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm Reply
    1. oh god

      -A- is deployed to Orvolle. They don't count anymore

      November 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm Reply
      1. ERMAHGERD

        You're retarded and you don't know shit. That was a once off weekend thing (read:last weekend only) US tz thing for roaming syndicate for pvp, cos you know, we live in eve FOR pvp unlike the structure grinders 'R us. It maybe hard to believe that we aren't just sitting on undock in slow cats camping a half empty LGK. We like to shoot people and have good fights with a possibility of losing (hey PL remember when you liked that too?), we don't just enter each fight knowing we will win with 74474&7) titans on standby. Good day sir

        November 1, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
        1. Scottacus

          "… we live in eve FOR pvp…"

          So you deploy to go roam Syndicate, but go to live in a highsec system?

          November 4, 2012 at 9:33 pm Reply
          1. Father Gabriel

            plest kiddo go to hell and rot in your blue desert die of boredom you deserve it

            November 4, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    2. ROL grunt

      -SHIT- still ends up with a shit covered cock.

      November 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm Reply
    3. Hatersgonnahate

      -A- can't even undock at the moment, so I think your point is rather invalid.

      November 4, 2012 at 2:21 pm Reply
  2. Akrasjel Lanate

    "Its the height of hypocrisy to sit in the most stagnant-inducing power structure and complain about state of the game."

    November 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm Reply
  3. Unknown

    "Because right now you are not “winning Eve”, " – Wrong. They are winning. And when they control all of 0.0 the "Great War" will come. Immediately followed by both groups leaving the game. They will in fact have "Won Eve" and move on to another game. Which will drain the game of 20,000+ subs.

    Watch it is coming.

    November 1, 2012 at 5:32 pm Reply
    1. lol

      yah spend all that time and money on a game then yah lets go play WoW… makes sense

      November 1, 2012 at 7:16 pm Reply
      1. Grunt101

        Why not? It's not a job, it's a game where I pay to have fun.

        November 1, 2012 at 10:19 pm Reply
    2. Random Miner

      While everyone likes to make fun of miners in EVE, where we do the same thing for hours, and shoot the shit with buddies, everyone in eve does the same fuckin' thing for hours and shoots the shit with buddies… in reality there's no measureable difference between any eve player's profession. Doing the same thing over and over IS the "winning" in eve

      November 2, 2012 at 6:33 am Reply
  4. Eirene

    In a real Sandbox, we would destroy Stargates, destroy their stations, destroy moons and planets in a hail of nuclear missiles. The spreadsheet pvp favors the F1 Drone.

    November 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm Reply
  5. Ex-A-

    Personally i think this is a great development and i am looking forward to the PAX CLUSTERFUCKIA. Finally peace, love and singing kumbaya, and ISK making for everyone!

    November 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
    1. DubbaYooArr

      no point of making isk with no fights to fuel

      November 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm Reply
      1. Observer

        A lot of people don't care about fighting but still love making isk.

        November 1, 2012 at 8:31 pm Reply
        1. apimp


          November 11, 2012 at 1:16 am Reply
  6. Kiyohime Ronuken

    All shall devolve into nothing more than fite klub and GFs shall be had.

    Rest easy, it's easiest to kill the beast when it's gotten fat, dumb, happy and complacent…

    November 1, 2012 at 6:22 pm Reply
    1. RazuviousDarklighter

      Reminds me of what happened to Morsus Mihi a year or so ago and look what happened to them. History will repeat itself. It's just hard to figure out which one will be the next one to fall.

      November 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm Reply
      1. madness

        MM diddnt have a core cadre of cash paying tards living on somethignaweful.com

        November 2, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
      2. Random Miner

        goons keep their players fat and happy, and as has been shown, these fat and happy goonies are not contributing much to fleets. Hell, the only time i hear of goons actually shooting are when they're ganking miners, which makes you the worst pvp'er there is, because you always lose.

        November 2, 2012 at 6:14 am Reply
  7. Makalu_Zarya

    I've basically pointed this out in a comment to another thread. Blues 50 jumps in all directions for everyone. And then these people complain that no one wants to fight them…well it is kind of obvious as to why that is.


    November 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      Not just that this is boredom problem, but that is what will eventually kill them. When you don't have reds to fight, you get complacent. If Vale falls as easily as it seems it will, the entire north will be boo boo land. Give it a few months and it'll be ripe (squishy?) for the taking.

      November 2, 2012 at 2:30 am Reply
    2. Random Miner

      well, I don't think goonies are really looking for fights anymore, they lost the "gudfite" in themselves a long time ago. Now they just sov grind to feel accomplished, because it's all they can do.
      Besides, anyone who really wanted fights wouldn't keep going into the high sec ice fields to repeatedly lose their ship to concord. That sound like someone who actually wants a fight to anyone?

      November 2, 2012 at 6:18 am Reply
    3. Bittervet


      Modern EvE has this invention called a "jump clone". In addition, via jump bridges and titans, going 50 jumps is surprisingly short.

      A bigger problem is a lack of competent enemies. Would it be possible to get, say, Evil Thug back, to belt Against All Authorities back into shape ?

      November 2, 2012 at 4:36 pm Reply
    4. donttalkbackto-a-

      before Test came in and shit in your pool -a- had blues in just as many jumps probably more. Delve, period basis, catch 1/2 of the active people in stain, esoteria, paragon soul, catch, feyhthabolis, omist tenerferis, and random scattered allies all over besides. You are delusional about the status of -a- before and during this war, and you're a shit FC that can't fly a fleet unless it's first, able to run from the fight and second, run from the fight. The next time you're fc'ing a fleet and your entire goal is to "get a couple kills" just remember, that's how you fucktards in -a- have lost everything.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:07 pm Reply
  8. red teufel

    if you want fights join Blackened Skies corp. fights everyday, pvp every day in null sec. i don't see the point of people who call themselves pvpers joining a large alliance knowing full well they are blue to practicaly everyone in eve.

    November 1, 2012 at 6:53 pm Reply
  9. M1k3y

    Goonswarm and TEST are full of inactive characters/alts
    Your arguement is (largely) invalid.

    They both have several thousand more characters than the other alliances, but the number of ACTIVE players isn't that high.
    Goons can field 100-150 on a CTA, without their pets they wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are.
    TEST? Well they have PL so their numbers are more-or-less irrelevant because their Capital/Supercap superiority makes fighting them with anything larger than a battleship an instant target for a hotdrop.

    November 1, 2012 at 7:08 pm Reply
  10. Observer

    It's funny how people complain about all of 0.0 becoming blue and then they don't do anything about it. If you don't like the huge CFC/HBC power bloc, then why not fight it? But either nobody cares enough to do this, or they refuse to learn how to beat CFC/HBC. Too many people running around who still think 'Elite PVP' is worth something, when in reality it's utterly failed in the face of a much more comprehensive CFC/HBC strategic plan. Either people wake up and realize they need to figure out how to wage economic war, industrial production war, diplomatic war, logistics war, recruitment war, propaganda war, etc. or pretty soon all of 0.0 will be blue. Having good pilots and good FC's ain't good enough anymore.

    November 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm Reply
  11. Gecko

    To be honest the reason for this fail is all this alliances that can pvp not banning together over pride then getting pushed out of their space. -A- is a prime example of this lots of other alliances wanted in on the SOCO fest but were denied then when the war started going badly they could get help from anyone. Then you have in the North NC Dot is holding its own and fighting the good fight but then Solar is too stupid to look long term and fights them and sides with the husk of -A-. If I recall correctly didn't BOB get taken out when most of the alliances banned together? So explain to me how when Test and Goons have numbers matching BOB that these EVE alliances stop pandering to their Pride form up and fight em.

    November 1, 2012 at 9:02 pm Reply
  12. eve pilot

    pretty straight forward soolution cap alliances to 3000 pilots max so alliances can have alot of good individual pilots taking part in that alliance or some good pilots and their alts taking part in their alliance this will A)stop blob tactics and B)make 0.0 space fun to be in again with alot more alliances living in it.

    November 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm Reply
    1. This guy...

      Alliances get capped at 3000, start another alliance for more allies, rinse and repeat. Good idea fuck whit

      November 2, 2012 at 1:21 am Reply
      1. madness

        Exactly expect to see Goonfleet 1, Goonfleet 2, Goonfleet 3 etc etc

        November 2, 2012 at 2:31 am Reply
  13. The Dead One

    The problem is that people in these alliances think the entire game is all about PVP. This is not true, there is alot more to this game than PVP. Primarily this game is a social activity. I personally play for the social experience and build things to make isk so i can get that ship or module that i want. I find it more rewarding to earn what i have than to just go kill someone in the hopes that he may drop that module or plex. Now i dont begrudge PVP but i am not a fan of the pro-gamer PVP attitude that says "I'm better than you cause i get my ships for free everytime i lose one," and they generally lose one or two everyday.

    Ask yourself this question, What would Null be like without Giant Alliances that occupy many empty systems?
    I think the answer is more pixel cash and more people from hi-sec moving out to see what is out here.

    November 1, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
  14. Bittervet

    Remember, people, the two biggest and most successful nullsec alliances are those with an ideology of looking after new players and encouraging them into Nullsec.

    November 1, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
    1. fox

      Alliance 1 hides behind the skirts of PL.

      Alliance 2 hides behind a blob of about 20 other alliances to do the heavy lifting.

      November 2, 2012 at 2:27 am Reply
    2. kappo

      True, maybe instead of bitching and crying about their size how about figure out what they are doing that draws so many players to their ranks. Just a thought

      November 2, 2012 at 2:50 am Reply
      1. Devore

        That's actually not the point of this article.

        Every entity in the game needs other players to create content for them. The question is, what do you do when you're so big, no one wants to fight you? -A- and allies are evacuating the south. When HBC brings 1000 people to local for a timer in Catch, whether because they don't want fights (obviously no one will undock to counter that blob) or because they're so bored and desperate for red boxes they'll show up when even a hint of blood is in the water, that's not good for HBC. They're winning the game? Sure, by most metrics. They might even be having fun. But steamrolling in any game is only fun the first couple of times.

        It will be interesting what kind of alliances take over the vacated -A- space, because it sure as fuck won't be HBC grinding timers and shooting structures for the next 10 months. If HBC keeps coming to them and fighting them, chances are they won't be sticking around either. WTF wants to fight a 10000 member coalition? I'm thinking the space will revert to no ownership once the sov bills go unpaid, and the space becomes like NPC 0.0. Or, HBC rents it out in exchange for some loosely defined "protection" or "non-aggression".

        November 2, 2012 at 6:56 am Reply
        1. HBC pilot

          I would happily steamroll Makalu all day every day for a year, and like it the last time as much as the first (assuming he continues to rage just as much).

          November 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm Reply
          1. Father Gabriel

            what hbc blue ball needs is MOAR blue, so go and blue moar moron

            November 2, 2012 at 6:30 pm
          2. Makalu_Zarya

            the obligatory "come at be bro!"

            I don't really remember you steamrolling me at any point. And since you decided to personally address me then please don't pull out the sov card…cause i really don't care for that shit.

            So would you like to tell me where exactly YOU personally steamrolled me?…Now if your name is Shadoo and you are in PL…then maybe just maybe I can go with it, but in that case you have enough brains not to post shit like this…which basically means you are in test or one of the lesser pets.

            So please…when did you steamroll me?

            November 4, 2012 at 3:10 am
        2. Guy

          Yeah, exactly. There's stuff to steamroll now but we're quickly coming to a point where there won't be any significant opposition left (actually we're nearly there already).

          Whether or not the CFC or HBC actually care is a different question altogether. They might just be happy running forsaken hubs and doing the occasional providence op or whatever.

          November 3, 2012 at 5:01 am Reply
    3. Father Gabriel

      nothing to do with new recruits has to do with blue everyone who is not on a tree at 3, test would not be a problem but they blue the whole 0.0 and the sheep alliances blue test, thats the problem ..

      November 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm Reply
  15. RL death to monti

    Guys guys, we in HBC treat everyone with deep respect and as equals…unlike -A-….
    Oh Lucian you shot at a few goons on a strat op? OMFG YOU FUCKING FAGGOT GTFO…
    Sounds like they treat every ally as an equal.. until you do something they dont like.
    TEST will kill eve if they are not removed by a 'Coalition of the willing' lol

    November 2, 2012 at 12:12 am Reply
  16. ...

    I agree with him to a point. part of the reason test and goons attract a lot of players is because they're friendly to the grunt. If the other alliances do the same, I would imagine they would gain membership as well. Then one day you'll have your 10k vs. 10k fleet fight. yay! lag.

    November 2, 2012 at 7:09 am Reply
  17. someone else

    There are a couple of reasons why the people are going to TEST and/or Goons. First is definitely the incompetence of CCP to create in-game Content. Without a competitive content besides PvP, the most newer generations of MMO-players choose the bigger player-based communities because of its size. The more player in an alliance the more opportunities the player has at any point to "do" something in the game. Another point is the arrogance of the smaller alliances, no offense. But if you stay with the "only XXXm SP or more" you're not attractive to new players. And without any competitive Game content there is no reasons to stay with these recruitment relics. Evolve or become extinct.

    November 2, 2012 at 8:02 am Reply
    1. Father Gabriel

      There are a couple of reasons why people are going to TEST and /or Goons. First is definitely the so called spirit of the sheep, where like 10 thousands of sheeps are for sure attrackts others to join. Without a competetive content (everyone is blue to each other ) the most noob players choose the easy way roxxor we are ruling the 0.0 1337 bigger player based communities (plest and goons). The more players in an alliance the more opportunities are given to the new warrior to blabb others and show how strong he is… . Another point is the fact that other aliances do not tolerate such behaviours like test and goon members show (for instance local chat smacktalk) no offense. But if you stay with the "only XXXm" SP or more you are not attractive for the new kiddos which will come with DUSTl. CCP protects us, gives us new content (for instance t1 ships who are almost as strong as t2 ships within the next patch) we will grow to a blue ball beyond all fantasies with the help of CCP and get the Skillpoint Nerf of them because the t1 ships are as good as the t2 and the old farts who played eve for years are irrelevant now. We the kiddos of test and goons who get the pocketmoney from momy will rule the server. On the other hand ccp still suxxxx because they dont give us content in this sandcassen game … someone else you are so terrible .. i know why i hate you guys -> plest and goons and their terrible blue ball.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:28 am Reply
    2. Bittervet

      Nahh. Newer players join Test/Goons because everyone else demand 6 million minimum skillpoints.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:46 am Reply
      1. Father Gabriel

        ok ok lets say the younger players .. but tell me why it is necessary to blue the whole 0.0. And on the other hand there are enough old alliances to fight the goon test blobb but what are they doing they join the kiddo blobb thats the terrible situation we are in atm

        November 2, 2012 at 10:09 am Reply
        1. Bittervet

          Father Gabriel,

          As well as failing at recruitment and training, the "elite PvP" alliances also fail remarkably hard at diplomacy. You'd think that they'd realise that helping their allies, making credible commitments, recognising reality and so on would count, but there appears to be something in the water or something.

          November 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm Reply
  18. the vet

    it doesn't matter how many members test have, if PL ever drop them, TEST will cascade very quick. Only reason TEST alliance exists is that PL support them, I would be embarrassed to be in an alliance like that

    November 2, 2012 at 12:24 pm Reply
  19. Right in the truth

    It's just an issue of arrogance. The alliances that have lost their space over the last year are full of, and led by arrogant people. If all of these defeated alliances banded together (a year ago) they would be able to hold space. But as it is, Ra, -A-, Raiden, NC, and many other smaller alliances do more to tear each other down in the face of the impending Goon/test conquest of null sec. They treat new players like shit, walk around with sense of entitlement, and make more enemies than friends.

    They are like those snobby rich kids in the neighborhood that get everything they want for Christmas and rub it in everybody's face. But when everyone grows up, they can't get a girlfriend and don't get invited to parties because they have shit personalities. Which is probably why they turned to eve, and now the cycle repeats. When they don't have control over anything other people want, they have nothing.

    This is why Goon/Test have won eve ,and rightfully so. They realize their biggest asset is their members. They treat new people great, they treat their allies and supporters great, and they share what have with their friends. Who in turn support them wholeheartedly whenever military conflict arises. They treat people how they want to be treated. Most of these other alliances don't know what a real friend is or how to be one. Now one by one they die alone, rightfully so.

    November 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm Reply
  20. Cannonball1

    Kudos to the author! Well said. 7 of the 10 largest alliances in EvE are allied. A problem of their own creation indeed!

    November 2, 2012 at 6:28 pm Reply
  21. PandemicHeathen

    嗨傢伙是你吸….. oh wait this isn't the chinese server :s wtf

    November 2, 2012 at 9:54 pm Reply
  22. FartingInTESTComms

    People getting mad that they can't outnumber TEST/GSF and friends and then continuing to be dicks to new players and other alliances with similar views. So much butthurt. We're here and ready to fight as soon as you nerds quit flapping your bearded necks at one another and form up against us and don't run away from our "blobs". Less QQ more pew pew you dumb shits.

    November 4, 2012 at 6:47 am Reply
    1. Father Gabriel

      ya ya because your and friends is the rest of the damn 0.0 you faggs blue everyone its not you its your damn blue ball sheeps army

      November 4, 2012 at 9:53 am Reply
      1. FartingInTESTComms

        Get mad, nerd.

        November 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm Reply
        1. Father Gabriel

          fuck you test kiddo

          November 5, 2012 at 12:02 am Reply
          1. FartingInTESTComms

            Not my fault people enjoy playing with TEST and not whiny crybabies who think they are better than everyone else. Maybe if you folks wouldn't be such elitists and actually tried to get allies against us you could do something about it. But instead of doing outreach you will all just continue to whine and cry about how we have more and better friends than anyone else.

            November 5, 2012 at 2:13 pm
          2. Wardecing TEST soon

            It's interesting how 80% of people I have met in TEST are total DBAGS.

            November 11, 2012 at 12:19 am
        2. TEST will fall

          You guys ruin EVE. EVE was meant to be a game to be played and enjoyed, but TEST just slanders everyone who possibly dislikes them or questions something about your alliance, you're all rude. Your alliance is focused on stupid internet memes/slang like "get mad nerd, QQ, butthurt." How stupid. Eve is supposed to be fun why do you have to ruin it for "tears." Something is seriously wrong with you if you have to put others down every sentence you type.

          November 11, 2012 at 12:23 am Reply
          1. yea

            They make EVE into a joke, killing freighters and mining ships and losing money doing it, just for "teh lulz" btards.

            November 11, 2012 at 12:28 am
    2. mad neckbeards lol

      Lol bearded neck? TEST and the reddit circlejerk train, you're the real neckbeards here.

      November 11, 2012 at 12:24 am Reply
    3. goons > test

      You guys are complete hypocrites, you say others are being dicks? TEST players are the biggest assholes i've seen in eve, worst than goons.

      November 11, 2012 at 12:26 am Reply
  23. Cragon

    It's simple…. we kill the Batman

    November 6, 2012 at 3:32 am Reply
  24. It looks like from the history graph they may have hit the 10K mark earlier this week.

    November 20, 2012 at 9:45 am Reply

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