Hello, I am Seraph IX Basarab. I’m an apolitical entity within the Eve universe enjoying pvp in various parts of 0.0 with a small gang of cloaky fag terrorists. This will be an analyses of Mittani’s address to the GSF. If you haven’t read my previous article, go ahead and do so. This is a fair warning to people with low attention spans. This is going to be quite a bit of a read. Don’t hurt yourself.

Obligatory “Go ahead i’ll wait” as if I were really waiting, but no seriously go read this.

“CEO UPDATE: GASSING THE TRENCHES”

Very “in your face” intro title, the “fuck ala-yal” signature of a typical goon address. Sadly there is nothing much to analyse here, except the foreshadowing that somehow the CFC had something to do with the turn of events in Tribute. But onto “how the war was one and where it’s taken our coalition.”

“ACTUAL WAR: IT’S ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME”

Mittani admits as I had stated in my previous article, that the GSF has not been tested on a military level since perhaps its early days. And even then, IT caved in like a “rotten pumpkin.” (How festive of you) This is all very true and something of great alarm to them. Let’s list off the qualities that the Goons has.

1. Numbers. This goes without saying and is more or less due to having GSF membership linked to a non Eve Forum. But having a bunch of people you can use to fight, also provides a bunch of people the enemy can kill and tally up the marks. Imagine if soccer was played in such a manner that goals varied in their worth depending on how many people you had on the field. If England has 10 people on the field and France only 5, each goal France makes is worth twice that of England. To get to the point, this is another argument I had previously made: Dotbro victories were simply worth more than the CFC ones. When the CFC takes the field it is due to numbers. The leadership up top will of course try to spin it as numbers being a virtue of their superior internal organization, which is true to some extent. But to the average Eve pilot that wishes to be a Battlestar Galactica (never watched the series tbh) or some sort of spaceship Jedi, they find little pleasure in this. When Dotbros won victories, it was due to the whole “300 Spartans” concept. The skilled few vs the barbaric many. And after all the barbaric many numbered less and less as the war prolonged.

This is why I don’t believe Mittani will actually chase after the Dotbros on any meaningful military manner aside from an occasional folding chair to the back when Dotbros are knee deep in Solar guts.

2. Propaganda. This term didn’t always have a negative connotation. It’s sort of like the term ‘radical’ which used to mean a grass roots movement, where as now it means being an extremist. In whatever way you want to take the term ‘propaganda’ the Goons are masters of it. Their specialism in propaganda is the internal one. Interestingly enough this brings me memories of my Mechwarrior days which hopefully I can relive a bit if I ever get around to bothering with MWO. Ah yes, nostalgia kicks in. I was part of modded planetary league, the largest one and within it I was a kind of a big deal. I won’t brag about anything I do in Eve. Honestly I view myself as the mouse in a Tom and Jerry cartoon as far as Eve goes. But allow me to brag a bit about Mechwarrior. You can skip the next paragraph if you aren’t interested and i’ll pick up afterward where it’s relevant.

I was actually a bit new as far as the whole Mech scene was concerned but I punched way above my weight class. I wasn’t always on the winning team but I knew that anyone that I caught alone, I could kill. This was due to my varied fitting approach. Where as most people would want to boat one kind of weapon on their mech (pop tarting gauss/erppc/erll) fits, similar to how you fit a proper ship in Eve, I varied my weapons. I’d have a Loki/Hellbringer fitted with speed comparable to a medium mech. ECM made me invisible at greater ranges, BAP gave me eyes, LAMS would deal with whatever LRMs I couldn’t outmaneuver with my speed. In one arm i’d fit an ER PPC that I would tap the enemy with at 900 some meters. You’d see me but for a moment as I’d run between the hills and flash a sparkle of lightning into your armor before I was gone only to do it again a few seconds later. Against brawling fits boating LBX or other heavy ACs i’d do this as much as possible and my speed and electronics made that possible. For sniping fits however i’d only do it a few times before closing in. In the other arm I had a CUAC10, good to about 600 meters, good firing rate and best of all it had good knock to it keeping a sniper’s low cycle, high alpha damage off of me. My remaining weaponry was a heavy med laser and a rack of Clan Streak SRMs, both of which had a range of 300 meters and grouped together. You see, very early on I figured that I may never be the best pop tart sniper, and even though I was probably one of the best brawlers, that sort of fighting always got messy and relied far too much on chance. But what I could do, is be good at what I did, fight unconventionally and take people off of their rhythm. This mentality helped me take Clan Wolf to the top. I even joined a noobish “Homeworld Clan” with an alias and took them to the forefront as well. Within this mech universe there was a guy who ended up being a bit of a rival. Interestingly enough as I was Wolf, he was Jade Falcon. The guys who read Battletech will know the significance. I won’t lie, the guy was good. He was great. He was about as great as he was uncreative in his fittings. Where as he would only pilot the true and tested, and do it well, he never advanced beyond these limitations. I’m not sure he even had the potential to do that. I had FCed both against him and with him. His style was always the sort that placed the group in danger in order to get himself in positions to get the killing shots…a tactic that only works if your enemy is weak to begin with (heads up to PL/TEST bromance.) And this was indicative to this guys ego.

Anyway to get to my point about the guy mentioned above. He carried one talent, if you could call it that, that I never had. He had the ability to lie to himself. 8 out of 10 times I curb stomped the guy, sure 6 of those times it was close, but I could take him out right after I took his wingman meat shield and in this guys mind, by whatever reasoning he could conjure up, he did not actually lose. His mech could be a burning wreck, and in his mind it was only because of excuse number # 757832. This is an awful way to live as a person. Within a video game it doesn’t much matter. It’s relevance to the article however is that GSF also has this talent on an alliance level. Perhaps other entities within Eve are also capable of this, but GSF has stream lined it, packaged it, and provided it for the consumption of each member. So in short, there is probably NOTHING anyone can ever do to convince GSF of a loss. Every loss is a win, and every win is an amazing win. Blindness to failure is a great tactic, if the enemy breaks before the facts make you unable to progress.

3. Leadership. Within all entities of life, you run across this concept of the “personality cult.” A personality cult is a very useful leadership tool. Here you have embodied the very concepts and ideals that join the regular membership together, personified. Mittens provides this, and he also understands that this is how other entities also work. This is why he has on multiple occasions gone straight for the leadership. Blood for the generals, bread for your prisoners. Make your members doubt why they log on and the enemy falls apart. In that sense, Vince, Wicked Princess and all that drama was exactly what was needed by the GSF to pull them out of this rut and hand them the victory. Yes I said that and i’ll address it more later on. This is also another reason Elo Knight was praised and is a fairly old tactic. Praise one of the enemy generals to introduce envy among their ranks. Perhaps I am over estimating Mittens here. It could have simply been a “well the only reason we aren’t beating you is cause…!!!!”

TRENCH WARFARE AND OTHER PLAYGROUND AMUSEMENTS: A BRIEF HISTORY

If the first two paragraphs of Mitten’s articles were light jabs, this is the crouch and twist setting up for the first uppercut in his argument. Those of you who do proper boxing, know that without a proper stance to deliver the force into your opponent, throwing a bunch is simply throwing a meat bag of bones and muscle at your opponent.

The first sentence says it all. This war had been predicted for months. Mittens and his group of smoke filled room peers had seen this since forever. I strongly doubt that. As Mittens himself has stated before, very little of what actually happens is planned. And whatever is planned generally goes to shit anyway. What more than likely happened was that there was a plan “just in case” and that plan was marginally similar to what needed to be implemented when what happened, happened. In this paragraph the personality cult avatar needs to present himself and the leadership, to their line members, as being in control. Of knowing. EvE Online, one of the greatest social experience has once again proven that by human nature, someone will eventually stick feathers up their butt and claim they’ve transformed into the eagle god in order to impress the other villagers.

Next he moves on to address a few of the “snags” the CFC encountered, specifically their outdated doctrines and their “looks good on paper Sky Marshal model that actually isn’t that good in practice.” The re-unfucking of their outdated doctrine is something I am not too sure of. Although the Sky Team concept seemed logical and something that shouldn’t of been over looked by Mittens from the start if he really is as well read as he presents himself to be. They really couldn’t find one fat neckbeard WW2 armchair general type to say “One of the main reasons the allies kicked the crap out of Germany, was because the German military was all anchored on Hitler, one guy, as opposed to the allies that were branched in a more organization fashion.”

But the ship doctrine itself doesn’t really seem to have been that much of a spectacular change. If “sucking less than Alpha fleet because we have less alpha fleet” means “updating our doctrine”, than rolling in 5 pounds of broken glass naked is a better idea than rolling in 10 bounds of the stuff as well.

“…we went back to having proper op-calling with Rokhs in Alphafleets and Tornadofleets and shit pretty much went back to normal for us, where ‘normal’ means gobbling up NCdot’s tech moons with impunity, taking sov in EU TZ, and losing the odd retarded supercarrier to ganks in UMI.”

No you really didn’t. You had a strong showing in UMI-KK and then the CFC proceeded to stupidly lose super-capitals at an alarming rate. Of course the CFC can claim taking territory and moons, and other structures. But frankly, nobody cares about that aside from the people up high in the leadership. The rank and file care about having “gudfites.” Holding UMI as if you were holding Dien Bien Phu does little to fill that desire. Especially with the struggle the CFC had in pushing forward onto any meaningful system. (Nobody cares about PNDN) I want to give a little bit of advice. When you have people in your coalition losing capitals and super-capitals stupidly, ridiculing and scapegoating them internally, doesn’t wash the failure off of that coalition as a whole. Secondly, it also introduces fear within your ranks, fear that has whittled down the CFC participation noticeably from the start of the war.

I think it is unfortunate to blame the CFC failures in the AU TZ on what happened on September 11th, 2012. This has been a weak timezone previous to the terror attacks. And as noted on a previous article written elsewhere, the AU TZ was something Mittani was very proud of months ago. So for whatever reason (poor management) that strength became a weakness. Here we also see a crack in the argument. If the fleet doctrine was “re-unfucked”, why were Drakes “handed on a platter” to Dotbros? What the AU TZ showed, was a war scenario between CFC and Dotbros where the numbers were a bit more even. And when that happened, there is no question who the victor would be.

“After pulling ourselves back together, order and strategy was restored: FCs were not allowed to feed fleets in AU TZ and a massive siege campaign was initiated, which turned the world of the NCdot AU TZ from ‘ha ha this owns my k/d ratio’ into a hellish realm of blueballs and frantic structure repair broken up only by the joyous experience of shooting endless SBUs. Structures stopped being repped fully, or repped at all, and soon we began making progress through the hostile AU TZ by breaking their will to log in.”

So the tactic to deal with Dotbros fleet, wasn’t to engage them in fights really, but to hit the structures. If blueballs (Can’t beat us if we don’t show up to fight) is such a mention worthy tactic of the CFC, is numbers all that differentiates them from AAA blueballs down south? Far be it from me to deny the effectiveness of taking advantage of poor sov mechanics into (supposedly) making Dotbros not want to log on. This may get some “high fives” up in the leadership chair Mittens, but does this feed your player base’s desire to actually be good at pvp? Honest question here. Smirk and say yes, that’s all you can do, no?

“Around this time, the pressure we applied may have helped accelerate the inevitable Wicked Princess/Vince Draken/Elo Knight drama. Despite our initial propaganda about Black Legion, what turned the tide in this was was the relentless siegework in US/EU drowning the NCdot AU TZ in timers and demoralizing them, rather than the soap opera (which was almost entirely centered in US TZ, which we control anyway).”

The pressure we applied “MAY HAVE HELPED” etc etc. This level of bullshit propaganda is the sort that I think even Mittens cringed as he typed in. This is the sort of sentence you write up as a grade school quiz answer hoping you will get partial credit for effort even though you know the answer is wrong. I mean the guy is REALLY squeezing his butt cheeks here hoping he’ll make a diamond out of the coal he’s sitting on and hoping there are enough CFC members with the demented ability to lie to oneself that enough of them will buy it.

Don’t get me wrong. DOTBros leadership was crap to begin with at best. They don’t have the finesse, the organization, or the personalities to maintain themselves sadly. And that was their failure. Mittens attempts to hijack that failure and turn it into a PvP victory for the CFC, but it’s utter bullshit. Supposedly it was their siegework drowning the Dotbros into giving up. I remember writing on the state of the war in Tribute a day or so before the whole drama happened. And at the time of writing it, the only noticeable accomplishment the CFC was claiming was their capture of PNDN, a system of little value to the Dotbros, and a system that there was hardly any resistance for, a system that had fallen all but in name weeks previously. It was a plan B conquest after the CFC failed to take H-W9TY. Before that the big propaganda move was “Elo’s the only reason…”

The Vince/Wicked drama may have been centered in US TZ, but the effect of it was the splintering of the Dotbros “coalition” if you can even call it that. Both BL and Nulli, the other two thirds of the Dotbros coalition, ceased to believe in the war effort much, or at least were not willing to participate considering how the drama had affected them. So to recap, the CFC can claim to do structure grind spamming really well and use the present sov mechanics to make Eve boring to play. They CANNOT claim however to have beaten the Dotbros on any meaningful level beyond sov. No Mittens, you did not cause “da drama llama” with your siegeworks.

COME BACK HERE AND TRY TO HIT US AGAIN, DAMN IT

“As the course of the war began to turn, NCdot began to cede US and EU TZ, taking their fleets during these timezones to the east to fight Solar Fleet in Geminate while leaving their AU TZ to defend and clean up our mess. This has enraged our US/EU FCs, who hunger for revenge for their aching balls.”

Really? Who are you trying to convince, because paragraphs ago you were stating how getting the Dotbros not to log on through blueballs and sov mechanics was your winning tactic that caused drama llama stampede through the dotbros living room. Suddenly the CFC are these pvp hungry, devil may care, Conan the Barbarian types? We’ll see how this goes. Congrats, you’ve conquered Afghanistan.

SO: WHAT’S IN VALE, ANYWAY?

Here Mittens claims that the war will go on into Vale. NCDOT has 25 or so techmoons. Notice how the article claims them to be one of the richest alliances, while per capita the GSF is one of the poorest. This is once again internal propaganda. You portray the enemy as having something you need…even though the majority of GSF members will never see a cent of the techgoo profits aside from SRP which is used in turn to protect that techgoo for the techgoo nobility. Another thing this may be indicative of is some internal grumbling. Through my own personal sources, I can say that there are elements within the CFC that feel that they aren’t quite getting their fair shake of the spoils. This may be chalked up to greed, or it may be true. In any case nobody would really know if all they listened to is the GSF propaganda saying how well allies are treated. It could or could not be the case. But that sentence there is a subtle “quit bitching about not getting enough shit, we have less than you do.”

The rest of the article can be considered simply as a “Uncle Sam needs you” sort of thing. Supposedly the CFC needs this war…but the CFC’s turn out has shrunk as the war progressed while the Dotbro involvement has grown. Already dotbros are going into another war against Solar, an unspoken, but strongly implied, ally of the CFC. (Which by extension sort of makes them allies of AAA? Hey if Raiden crashes on TEST’s courch, maybe AAA will rent space up north.)

Anyway I hope this short analyses of the propaganda has some people considering the events that have unfolded. Thank you Dotbro leadership for the drama that has allowed Mittens to write this sort of stuff for all of us to enjoy.

– Seraph IX Basarab

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122 Comments

  1. The Observer

    Now, I enjoy ripping holes in Mittens faulty, irrational propaganda as much as the next guy, but unfortunately, most gewns take his bullshit as the word of god and cannot be convinced that he is, in fact, full of it. I have resigned myself to stop talking and continue shooting in the hopes that they will one day realize that the pretty silver platter they've been eating off of held some pretty awful shit.

    tl;dr

    less talkey, more shooty

    October 29, 2012 at 5:52 am Reply
  2. Perkele

    .meant to say
    Nice to have an alternative to "theshittani" for once!

    l0l

    welcome back EN24

    October 29, 2012 at 5:56 am Reply
    1. Quin

      Yeah "theshittani" nicely said +1
      Thumbs up :)

      October 29, 2012 at 10:34 am Reply
  3. John

    Nice article! See you in HED

    October 29, 2012 at 6:03 am Reply
  4. IBITEME

    well after scheming through this, this is kind of a shit article none the less. I mean the analyze here is obviously bias from the tone of the writing. Literally this entire article is here to demean the leaders of the CFC. Anything far from news and many things from the leaders of CFC is indeed valid. You can literally tell that this article is bias beyond Fox News due to the tone. If you can't tell you are obviously… welll.. illiterate.

    October 29, 2012 at 6:53 am Reply
    1. gruntofncdot

      martini.com is goon slanted,eve24 is non-goon slanted.Allthough there are some parts of this i wouldnt call objective it does tell the side of the story Marty wont.I dont think its a secret that eve24 news isnt goon friendly. If your not comfortable reading something that isnt CLEARLY goon propaganda,you can allways choose to not come here. I take it for what it is same with the other site and draw my own conclusions.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:22 am Reply
      1. gruntofncdot

        Which is normally marty is full of shit and more of a cult leader than a alliance leader. but thats just me :)

        October 29, 2012 at 7:23 am Reply
  5. asdf

    "all of the taste, none of the bullshit"

    welp so much for that :(

    October 29, 2012 at 7:05 am Reply
  6. Charles Darwin

    Isn't this the guy who predicted goons wouldn't take tribute a week before they did? On the basis of that I'd say his analysis (if you can call it that) here must be spot on as well!

    October 29, 2012 at 7:45 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Nobody made any such article. Nice try.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
      1. Predictionsareeasy

        You are predicting Mittens will not go after the Dotbros and they just entered Vale…

        October 29, 2012 at 9:50 pm Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          He didnt say that he said in any strong manner like they tried in Tribute and only when NCDOT was busy with SOLAR.

          1 System is not an invasion hell even 3 isnt.

          October 30, 2012 at 12:43 am Reply
        2. Impartial Observer

          lulz wut dotbros? BL an ncdot broke up.

          October 30, 2012 at 3:22 pm Reply
      2. Guy

        http://evenews24.com/2012/10/12/how-not-winning-f

        To quote:

        " I firmly believe that given enough time, the Dotbros can hold a good portion of Tribute and Vale and may even expel their invaders. More realistically some sort of agreement could be reached. "

        October 30, 2012 at 12:31 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          …THAT GIVEN ENOUGH TIME…

          Pay attention to details. Basic comprehension is a must.

          October 30, 2012 at 1:05 am Reply
          1. CFCgrunt

            They were given plenty of time. Time is not of any importance here. I propose you quit the prediction business, it's not going too well…

            October 30, 2012 at 9:27 am
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            I'm not sure even you comprehend what you just said. Read above for further clarification.

            October 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm
          3. CFCgrunt

            I understand perfectly well I said and even what you said, thank you. Deflecting bad predictions by claiming your audience misunderstands makes you look like a tool and at least you are unable to articulate what you mean in the first place. "I firmly believe that given enough time, the Dotbros can hold a good portion…" means that you believe that they could hold Tribute if given enough time. Well they were given masses of time and they did not hold on to Tribute nor will they get back. To the contrary, they are falling apart. Even if you give them another decade to do so.

            October 31, 2012 at 1:22 pm
          4. Seraph IX Basarab

            I don't think "the audience" misunderstands as much as you and a handful of CFC members that don't WANT to understand. Your ego has been hurt but that wasn't even my intention.

            "Given enough time" means "if the war prolongs in this manner much longer." I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. But at this point its a semantic argument on your part.

            October 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm
          5. Endie

            I believe that I might be said to be laughing out loud, here. So what you meant was that if the CFC chose to leave them alone for a while then they would last longer. A second Nostradamus!

            October 30, 2012 at 10:08 am
          6. Seraph IX Basarab

            No, not if CFC chose to leave them alone. If CFC continued "not winning fast enough" because CFC participation became lower and lower in the war to the point where Dotbros numbers were almost matching CFC numbers. If things would have continued as they were, CFC may have had to settle things diplomatically.

            October 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm
          7. NullSecNoob

            I don't know if you are paying attention but participation is not letting up. In fact with the riches of vale also in play participation might increase.

            October 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm
          8. Seraph IX Basarab

            Maybe but until the Falcon drama, CFC numbers were lessening.

            October 30, 2012 at 6:45 pm
  7. Nobody

    For whatever reason, CFC once again has won a strategic victory. Some might say that winning this victory despite having, according to you, inferior pilots, inferior fc's, inferior tactics, inferior desire/will, and inferior leadership, is actually pretty impressive. Or perhaps they have once again simply gotten very very lucky.

    Either way, they once again impose their will over their enemies. Your opinions as to why this is unfair, unjust and undeserved are enlightening indeed, but probably not in the way you intend.

    Keep up the prognosticating, you're bound to get it right eventually.

    October 29, 2012 at 7:49 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Inferior pilots…if we're looking for total SP, and focus on PVP yes this is true.

      Inferior FCs…I've never stated this.

      Inferior tactics…as far as fleet composition goes i'd say that is the case. CFC has the luxury to soften that issue with numbers though on top of a spectacular logistics network.

      Inferior desire/will…well yes. Compare the activity levels of each side up until the Wicked Princess/Vince drama.

      Inferior leadership…no I actually state that the leadership on the dotbros side is much worse. It's funny how people only read what they want to read and how defensive and quick they are to defend their little source for ego.

      No where did I say anything was unfair or unjust. I simply called out propaganda where I saw it.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:17 pm Reply
    2. M1k3y

      One thing that isnt inferior: Numbers

      And we all know how EVE these days largely comes down to a numbers game more often than not.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm Reply
  8. asdf

    "You portray the enemy as having something you need…even though the majority of GSF members will never see a cent of the techgoo profits aside from SRP which is used in turn to protect that techgoo for the techgoo nobility."

    What, does Seraph Nine believe that other organizations take their moongoo sales revenue and distribute it among their membership through methods other than SRP? Shame nobody does that.

    October 29, 2012 at 8:27 am Reply
    1. qwer

      Well, for example in Evoke alliance takes only some of the tech goo and uses it to reimburse full force fleets. Rest is left for the corporations to do what ever they want to do. Our corporation uses it to buy ships and modules for fun fleets and stuff like that.

      October 29, 2012 at 10:55 am Reply
      1. Bittervet

        I'd be really interested in the author's ideas of how a corp, or alliance, should deal with jointly-held assets.

        Truth is, the Goons tell a lot of lies. The biggest one is "We're terrible at this game".

        OK, they arent particularly good at the whole blowing-up-other-peoples-spaceships part of it. But getting allies, getting new players, training new players and the logistics to keep everyone effective ? They rock at that.

        October 29, 2012 at 11:08 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          I'm a strong believer in meritocracy. And it is the job of each corp CEO within the alliance/coalition to acquire assets for the individual pilots that show talent and commitment.

          As critical as I am of Mitten's propaganda here (after all it is a critique/analysis) he does run a capable coalition. I do think that it is highly over rated though in its capabilities and the interesting thing about dotbros is that they've brought this to light. Don't get me wrong, the CFC as a whole is probably the best organized entity in Eve.

          The lie about "being terrible at the game" is just a defense mechanism in case things go wrong so they can use the "didn't want X anyway" excuse. IT's a way to minimize the psychological impact of losses.

          October 29, 2012 at 7:09 pm Reply
          1. Bittervet

            Right. So rather than having a simple rule – "if it's fleet fit and in fleet, we'll replace it", you'll load your leadership up with a whole bunch of admin … and you'll let your new and therefore not talented (as in skillpoints and capability) pilots die on the vine.

            You're a prime example of how utterly *awful* GS's enemies are, and therefore why they are winning.

            October 29, 2012 at 7:29 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Simple SRP is akin to promising a slave that his shovel will be replaced if he breaks it in the proper method. The amount of ISK that is raining down on the entire GSF is enough to drown just about every active member of the GSF with enough ISK that they'd never need to rat in their life.

            I'm not arguing against SRP…i'm saying that there could be more. SRP is BARE MINIMUM.

            October 29, 2012 at 7:35 pm
          3. asdf

            The GSF reimbursement scheme extends well beyond strat ops, but you already know that, right?

            I mean really, hull cost + 300M for a Machariel isn't all that bad~

            October 29, 2012 at 10:37 pm
          4. Guy

            Goons run peacetime SRP and will reimburse fairly ridiculous stuff like machs and dramiels as well as using the tech isk to run ops such as Burn Jita. Their tech also gets distributed amongst their allies in a manner that's way more generous than the old NC ever was, which encourages the lesser CFC allies to stay loyal, join ops and fly the right ships. I'm not in the CFC but, as imperfect as it is, their model is far superior to previous coalitions.

            To make a comparison, ncdot almost never distributes isk to its smaller allies. Before they lost tribute I think they had something like 40-50 tech moons and 3 renters for a 1600 man alliance. That's insane – there's no way they could actually utilise that income with such a small number of people. I also have no idea how their wallet only had 800bil in it after milking that income for so long, but the whole tech issue points to exactly what's wrong with Ncdot as a sov holding organisation.

            The Mitanni was exactly right about ncdot having had and still having more isk per capita than anyone else.

            October 30, 2012 at 12:19 am
          5. BntyHunter

            Yep, GSF stations alone make tax and anything sold, they own 68 outposts….Think about that lets say Tax is 10% on sales and Mining…..Imagine 68 stations worth, including huge Ratting hubs and huge bases like Umi. ALL SHIPS SALES THAT ARE REFUNDED THE ALLY MAKES 10% back on.

            Now there is 400 moons in the north, its estimated GSF holds over 200 and most of them Tech so lets say they own 150 Tech moons, which is easily possible since we gave up 20ish and they on the entire north west of the map.

            8 bil raw per moon and 12 bil doing simply refining

            so 8 bil x 100 [just to be extra extra generous] 800 Bil a month in just there tech at the very lowest with another half that sold at 150 moons and double sold at 12 bil after refining, thats at least 1 Trillion after expenses.

            Now imagine al corps avg rating= 10% this is ontop of the 10% [Or whatever station is set to]

            They simply make a ridiculous amount for 9k members, they make DOTBROS look impoverished but since most of them dont see the wealth they have to act poor.

            If you wann be deaf dumb and blind go for it, but just do some math some times on how much a 100 man station can make esp when during a war they lose 150 Ships a day, now imagine the ore that was mined was taxed, then when the Drakes/Ships came to market they were taxed and when contracted taxed or bought taxed….Thats without the single greatest ISK Faucet Eve has ever seen.

            Thi is why I laugh at the pets who really do get treated like shit, out of how many moons FA o FCON or and others of the 20-25 that you took of ours have you got to own? Out of all tribute how much SOV is yours? How many stations owned?

            This article was right on the money, Goons is good at the game just horible at real war, they rely on the enemy to beat itself. But your right when you say you cant beat a guy who always thinks he has won even after 100 battles you murder him and 1 battle he wins…..Its a gift of theres.

            October 30, 2012 at 12:41 am
          6. Bittervet

            "ALL SHIPS SALES THAT ARE REFUNDED THE ALLY MAKES 10% back on. "

            NOT IF THEY ARE SOLD ON CONTRACTS. Like, well, most ship sales in UMI.

            October 31, 2012 at 1:25 pm
      2. asdf

        Ev0ke is also a lot smaller than basically any CFC alliance, so what works for you dudes may not scale with larger organizations.

        October 29, 2012 at 4:48 pm Reply
        1. Jakes

          Keep passing that kool-aid out friend, it looks good on you.

          October 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm Reply
          1. asdf

            Keep being irrelevant~

            October 29, 2012 at 11:02 pm
    2. Jason B

      Actually my corp gets paid on top of the SRP the alliance provides, I assume thats how is works in any alliance that holds tech work, they are afterall making 12 bil a month per moon, and this is assuming your allience is lazy and doesn't do anything with it besides ship it to market. The fact that CFC by and large use T1 ships that insure well means corps in the CFC are being paid very well I'd have to assume, b/c there is no way the moons they do are not covering SRP, considering there are o/c other ways to pull in isk like PI, ratting taxs, and station income(refining/rent/market tax).

      Now how much of that makes it to the avg. Joe shooting structures, I have no clue, but from experience most people are ether ignorent, or simply don't care, and if people don't care, or don't know any better then they usally don't get their fair shake, squeaky wheel gets the grease.

      October 29, 2012 at 3:34 pm Reply
      1. asdf

        I priced a fully fit (with a faction hardener and c-type ANP) AHAC Zealot in Jita: 200M total.
        A fully fit Maelstrom: 290M
        Fully fit Rokh: 330M

        Insurance (payout – cost) for a Rokh is 140M, Maelstrom is 130M and Zealot is 35M. They all cost about the same to lose.

        October 29, 2012 at 4:06 pm Reply
      2. Mybro'sfriend

        What an average Joe gets is paid for lost ships. Say he loses a Maelstorm, he's got about 300 million isk tied up in it including insurance. Insurance gives him about 180 million, and his alliance gives him 150 million, an actual profit if the fit is right and he was in a fleet.

        October 30, 2012 at 4:39 am Reply
  9. Endie

    This article is pretty funny. I was shocked to discover that we had such a consistent track record of failure: I thought we had won eight straight campaigns without loss: Cloud Ring vs Ev0ke; Fountain vs IT; Deklein defence vs NCdot/PL etc; Branch; Tenal; Venal Tech; Delve; Tribute.

    October 29, 2012 at 10:10 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Where does it say you have a consistent track record of failure? What is funny about this article is the droves of Goon members over heating their damage hardeners. The personality cult in its full view.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:15 pm Reply
      1. Endie

        Actually what is funny is you desperately trying to assert the desperate proposition that the collapse of the CFC's enemies was a lucky coincidence and that it was nothing to do with them losing a war to us.

        October 30, 2012 at 10:50 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          Well show me actual degree of CFC success prior to the Falcon drama. CFC did a good job taking UMI…finally even though they lost so many capital ships to stupid misakes. Chalk it up to BLT, whatever. But aside from that, what mentionable event would you put up as an example of CFC "winning?" PNDN? Please.

          Truth of the matter is CFC participation got worse and worse as the war carried on longer. Dotbros on the other hand continually outperformed the CFC right up until derp Falcon.

          October 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm Reply
          1. NullSecNoob

            If outperforming means losing tech moons and SOV, then yeah they outperformed. I guess when Dot Bros are ensconced in NPC Geminate they will really be at peak performance.

            October 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Outperforming referring to the actual battles themselves. Dotbros did much more with less. Sov grinding and mechanics goes to CFC…good job there.

            October 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm
  10. Quin

    Hmm faggot Mittens and his BS propaganda to his cows in GSF.

    October 29, 2012 at 10:33 am Reply
  11. Bittervet

    This is possibly the worst thing I've read on this site.

    The author sets out to critique Mittens, and then spends most of his time quoting … himself.

    Not what Mittens said last month, or the month before that, but himself. And not with reference to current events, either.

    Im also not sure if the author understands the CFC when he says "But frankly, nobody cares about that aside from the people up high in the leadership. The rank and file care about having “gudfites.” ". No, I think the rank and file of the CFC care if they are winning, which – in the CFC at least – is defined as taking sov.

    October 29, 2012 at 10:41 am Reply
    1. EvE

      The CFCs problem is that due to their blob tactics they have never had to learn to PvP. Its obvious this will come back to bite them.

      October 29, 2012 at 11:45 am Reply
      1. Nem

        Obvious based on what precedent? Because as far as I can tell it seems to be working pretty good for the two "blob" coalitions so far.

        October 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm Reply
    2. old timer

      i totally agree . this long self quoting shitty thread demonstrate only one thing : the author have no clues about sov warfare and bloc level warfare.

      all major engagements have been won by making the enemy collaps , not by being more l33t pvp than the enemy . making grunts willing to logg on , avoid internal drama , avoid high level spies…

      in that war , it took two months for CFC to take 50+ moons, 28 stations, and 54 systems. it is not bad at all, especially if you face NCdot, nulli secunda, black legion, gypsy band , irc , and pets.

      at the very least , CFC has proven they have the required stamina for real bloc level warfare. you have ups and downs, good days and bad days , but at the end , the coalition stood still , while our opponent did collaps.

      rip vile rat.

      October 29, 2012 at 12:35 pm Reply
  12. DUDE

    MITTENS IS RETARDED 😀

    October 29, 2012 at 11:27 am Reply
  13. fapman

    As a neutral, this article is wank.

    October 29, 2012 at 12:14 pm Reply
  14. EN24CantSpellForShit

    I'm sorry, I had to stop reading this bullshit. Started reading and got sick of the typographical errors. Use spell check for fucks sake you retards.

    October 29, 2012 at 12:32 pm Reply
  15. U know who

    Thank you for making this long article so terrible from the start that I didn't waste time reading any deeper than a few paragraphs. There was literally nothing here that held my interest, the format was confusing and the article seemed to revolve around you "getting it right" That said, the font was enjoyable.

    October 29, 2012 at 1:13 pm Reply
  16. Alex

    i know this dude Seraph IX Basarab hes a total noob who the fuck lets him to post here???

    October 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm Reply
  17. Bishop 5

    "I’m an apolitical entity" … Obviously not, otherwise what's with the massive, political post?

    Also, you clearly don't understand Football: "If England has 10 people on the field and France only 5, each goal France makes is worth twice that of England." … No, each goal France scores is still only worth one; they just have to work twice as hard to get it (also team would be disqualified if you've only got 5 players…).

    Stopped reading after that as I thought this reply would be a better use of the time saved. This is a really bad article and you should feel bad for writing it.

    October 29, 2012 at 1:45 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Apolitical referring to my neutrality. I can look at whatever entity within Eve and make comment about it without having the feeling that I owe anyone anything…because I don't.

      I think you need to re-read the football example. I was giving a scenario where points in a football match would be given based on the numbers you have on the field. Sorry that missed you.

      October 29, 2012 at 7:12 pm Reply
      1. Bittervet

        Its not Goonswarm''s fault their enemies are utterly inept and incompetent at looking after their allies.

        If you look at the history of the alliances they have broken, you'll see a theme is "We threw our meatshields under a bus"

        October 29, 2012 at 7:26 pm Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          That is exactly my point in the whole article. It isn't the GSF's fault their enemies are inept. And claiming that their supposed siegeworks is that pushed wicked and vince into their little childish inept drama is what I was calling BS on.

          You goon guys really need to read better because this isn't some hit piece on the Goons. If you actually read it well and read it within the context of the previous article, I am simply outlining two different mentalities and criticizing both. I have no reason to prop up Dotbros. I don't particularly care about anyone within that group save perhaps maybe Nulli which i've left almost completely unmentioned. Nor do I have any reason to hate Goons. Most people who do, do so because it seems to be the vogue thing to do. I think that's stupid.

          October 29, 2012 at 7:38 pm Reply
  18. Violent Tempest

    "how the war was one and where it’s taken our coalition" Your grammar is horrible and you should go back to 2nd grade sir. Who the hell let this guy post? ::: Commissar:::

    October 29, 2012 at 3:19 pm Reply
  19. kraz

    what a shitty article this guy is a moron lol talk more shit spin more shit eh

    October 29, 2012 at 3:52 pm Reply
  20. Drake Pilot

    This guy didn't win the war, so why does he get to write the history?

    October 29, 2012 at 4:53 pm Reply
    1. Because he's writing it as a neutral observer…

      Definition of neutral observer in Eve Online: Someone who gets to shoots or bomb both parties… :(

      October 29, 2012 at 5:51 pm Reply
      1. Bittervet

        No, he isnt writing as a neutral observer. He's writing as someone who is *more* of a self-absorbed narcissist than Mittens is … which takes some doing.

        Mittens, however, is much better at being an Intergalactic Spacelord than the author is.

        October 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm Reply
        1. Not a goon

          You should bath mittens and drink all the bath water afterwards… I bet his cock tastes better, please confirm.

          October 29, 2012 at 6:56 pm Reply
          1. Pepsi or Coke

            No one can confirm for you. Since your post indicates that you know what his cock tastes like, only you can judge whether or not it "tastes better".
            Do your own taste test.

            October 30, 2012 at 4:20 am
        2. Seraph IX Basarab

          What exactly is self absorbed and narcissistic?

          October 30, 2012 at 1:08 am Reply
          1. Bittervet

            Narcissus was a figure in Greek myth who fell in love with his own reflection.

            Self-absorbed means its all about you.

            You show this by wasting entire chunky paragraphs in an article allegedly talking about an organisiation who runs big fleets by talking about solo PvP in an entirely different game.

            October 30, 2012 at 1:19 am
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            I made a mention half joking about myself concerning my time in MW4 which in turn was relevant only to the extent of helping one understand the mentality of "Icant lose if I don't believe i'm losing" which pervades the GSF. Educate yourself a little better.

            October 30, 2012 at 2:43 am
  21. What?

    I'm loving how en24/dot peeps keep reacting to CFC CEO updates. The previous CEO update there was an artical similar to this and an alliance mail saying "no no guys this is bullshit don't believe it! Don't believe it! Reacting instead of acting is the mindset of a loser. The contradiction of your words and actions is to much, keep it coming, I can't stop laughing. Like the new look btw :)

    October 29, 2012 at 7:33 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Well let's have a discussion about it. The central thing I criticized was the notion that the CFC was the reason Vince and Wicked had their little drama. Do you believe that was the case and if so what sort of proof can you provide?

      October 29, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
  22. -TEST- Grunt

    "Hello, I am Seraph IX Basarab. I’m an apolitical entity within the Eve universe BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    October 29, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
  23. Wahhnibal Lecter

    This article simply confirms that you still don't get it. If this was a soccer game, refs would be jumping all up in your shit for being too mean. They would make everyone be nice and gentleman like. When the game was over France and England would give each other long hugs and kisses and there would be under panted hi jinks in the lockeroom afterwards.
    If, on the other hand, this was a war….. then the last man standing gets all of your property, goes to your house and bangs your wife and daughters, burns your entire family and uses the ash to cover his shit when he takes a dump, and generally has a really good time laughing about how incredibly dead you are.
    You lost. At least be a man about it and go somewhere to be alone when you cry about it.
    Here you are, standing in front of the crowd, blubbering, tears running down your bloodied face, crying about how, if you look at it another way, actually won the fight.
    Your stuffs are gone. You've been run off. Your resources have been taken and depleted, and your members no longer wish to show up for the big fights. Get over it. It was a good shot. Kudos all around. Better luck next time.

    October 29, 2012 at 8:49 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      I'm sure you felt really good about writing that and I really don't mean to take all that away, but I'm not part of dotbros, neither am I making excuses for their inability to put their resources to good use.

      October 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm Reply
    2. Marcus_McTavish

      You did a really good job of reading the whole article before you went full retard.

      NOT

      Try reading the whole article before you try to knit-pick and attack the author.

      October 29, 2012 at 9:38 pm Reply
      1. Wahhnibal Lecter

        I read the entire article. It was shit
        I chose to point out the the "analysis" I found to be MOST ridiculous. If I had all day to "knit-pick" the article, I would have written another article.
        Don't have that much time to waste on shit articles.
        Try debunking my POINT if you can.

        October 30, 2012 at 4:04 am Reply
        1. Seraph IX Basarab

          You have so little time you spend so much of it whining here and without making any actual point.

          October 30, 2012 at 4:32 am Reply
          1. Wahhnibal Lecter

            Wow! Is that actually your response?
            I know this is a very emotional time for you, but there's no reason to be unladylike.
            Wring out your little hanky and cry some more for me.

            October 30, 2012 at 4:39 am
          2. Seraph IX Basarab

            Right, but what is your point? Your comments have no substance. If you have an actual point to make, lay out your argument. If you're just here to troll, nobody cares.

            October 30, 2012 at 5:38 am
          3. Wahhnibal Lecter

            The point is clear. Your article is shit.
            Your "analysis" is simply a collection of apples to oranges propaganda intended to justify your predetermined conclusions.
            That is not what analysis is.
            If you want to analyze the situation, gather the evidence, weigh it from a neutral perspective, and let the chips fall where they may.
            This kind of silliness just make you look dumb as hell (and rightfully so). If you would have just given your butt hole a little time to heal before coming on here to cry, maybe you could have been clear enough to realize that you have to make at least some effort to hide your rage against the Goons.
            But, for me, this is good too. Please cry for me some more.

            October 30, 2012 at 9:15 pm
          4. Seraph IX Basarab

            You still seem to have the uneducated impression that i'm somehow directly involved in the Tribute conflict…which I'm not. I've shot both parties. So nobody is butthurt about anything. On the contrary it seems like you are frustrated that I questioned the propaganda of 'fearless leader' and you are coming to his aid. Keep posting irrelevant non sense like "rage" and "cry more." I'm sure some 14 year old peers of yours will think you're very cool.

            October 30, 2012 at 10:36 pm
          5. Wahhnibal Lecter

            You still seem to be have the uneducated impression that anyone is actually stupid enough to believe that you are neutral to both sides despite the fact that you spent the entire article with your tongue planted in NC.'s ass.
            I'm not 14, nor a Goon, nor NC.
            I actually have shot both sides, and will continue to do so, without the silly notion that one or the other is somehow more dignified.
            Your rage against the Goons is beyond obvious. I imagine it is due to some unnecessary roughness on their part. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Easy to get fights with better odds. If, on the other hand, you do like the fights, then fight. And STFU.
            Don't come on here making excuses about how no one can win against goons because of the "blob". And don't come here and try to make some retarded argument like each of NC.'s kills should be weighed heavier than Goons. That is just fucking stupid.
            If the Goon membership start to feel neglected by their leaders in the ISK sharing department, then you will see their membership drop. As it is now, everyone seems to be having fun and will continue to do so at least until the rest of NC.'s space is taken.
            But please, cry some more.

            October 31, 2012 at 12:36 am
          6. Seraph IX Basarab

            Wow i'm sensing some tension here.

            I've actually criticized both sides and i'm looking for your input in the next article where I will go deeper into the Dotbros failures in handling the war. Hope to see you there too.

            Nobody's been "rough" with me from the GSF. Please go ahead and find some proof of this.

            No where did I complain about blopping. And i've always said whining about numbers is irrelevant.

            Nobody is saying Dotbros' kills should be weighed more than CFC kills…i'm simply making a comment on perception from entities not involved.

            I'm sorry you are having difficulty comprehending some very basic concepts. I'll make an effort to better explain for you next time.

            October 31, 2012 at 3:26 am
          7. Wahhnibal Lecter

            No difficulty comprehending your "very basic concepts" at all. They are simply incorrect.
            If you are trying to compare brain pans here, you've already lost. As noted below, you did in fact predict that the Goons would not take tribute.
            Now you are trying to split hairs with those who've called you out on it.
            You have no credibility here. Your bias is obvious, and your arguments are ridiculous.
            You cry back to school, now, little Starling. Cry, cry, cry…

            October 31, 2012 at 5:51 am
          8. Seraph IX Basarab

            I stated that if the war progressed in its current form for a prolonged period of time, that there may need to be a diplomatic solution and that Tribute could be held. If that's difficult for you to comprehend, I could suggest some piff comic strips for you.

            October 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm
          9. Wahhnibal Lecter

            Not difficult to comprehend at all. Simply incorrect, as shown by the fact that Tribute is now taken. Soon to be followed by Vale. Now that is an analysis that you can count on!
            Funny how facts have no effect on your assumptions at all.
            The war progressed exactly as it had the entire way through. The Goons laid siege, the villagers swore that they would fight to the last man, and then, when the villagers looked into their well of ISK and could see the bottom, they ate one another. This is how siege warfare has been fought for thousands of years. Don't believe me? Open a book.
            Your assumption that the Goons were far more likely to tire of the war was WRONG. The Goons love war. It keeps the vets awake, and it allows them to train large numbers of noobs.
            If you really want to analyze data, you must use the scientific method. You know…the old "if this is true, and that is true, than this must also be true" thing.
            Analysis doesn't mean "shit you just made up".
            Cry, cry, cry…

            October 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm
          10. Always laughahaha

            Try leaving the basement guy.

            October 31, 2012 at 11:17 pm
          11. Wahhnibal Lecter

            It rubs the dick sauce on it's skin……never mind. You know what you like!

            November 1, 2012 at 3:13 am
          12. Seraph IX Basarab

            Anymore super interesting fanboy rants you want to share with us? I'm sure you're slapping high fives with your buddies over all this but nobody cares.

            November 1, 2012 at 12:46 am
          13. Wahhnibal Lecter

            YOU obviously care!
            More cry please.

            November 1, 2012 at 3:02 am
          14. Bro,You should of attacked the part about being a big deal in some no name mechwarrior bullshit. Comedy gold right there.

            November 6, 2012 at 7:11 am
  24. grunt

    Well the problem is that as soon the line members see fights you'll have a 700 man blob everytime you undock to fight the CFC. Dont matter if its a tower,Ihub or anything else. They are like sharks….they smell a drop of blood and come runing from miles away

    October 29, 2012 at 10:00 pm Reply
    1. meme

      The fights I was in (most of them) the cfc did not undock 700 man blobs.. on a average they had 50 men more then the NC.bros.

      And then there was the couple of weeks when NC. blobed us.

      so dont cry about cfc blob when NC. has blobed aswell….

      October 31, 2012 at 1:03 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        50 people? Is that really what you think you outnumbered them by

        October 31, 2012 at 3:55 pm Reply
  25. really?

    "I’m an apolitical entity" seriously? and with a straight face?

    October 30, 2012 at 4:23 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Yeah. I criticize whatever I see fit to criticize. Don't be so pillow bitter because it was your side this time.

      October 30, 2012 at 4:30 am Reply
  26. Perkele

    Personally speaking, it's better to have BOTH 'theshittani' and EN24 as they each tell the other side of the coin.

    EN24:
    Pro: Dotbros, HBC, Gypsy
    Anti: CFC, Solar, -A-

    'Theshittami':
    Pro: CFC, Solar, HBC
    Anti: Dotbros, Gypsy, -A-

    The interesting thing here is to note that while both sides are Pro-HBC, they are also Anti-SoCo (-A-).
    maybe it's time for -A- to start their own news site… l0l

    In any case, lets face it, neither sites are or will be 100% biase-free.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:50 am Reply
    1. guest

      Btw, any1 else know any other 3rd party news site(s) that covers EVE politics beside these two?

      October 30, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
  27. crossbreaker

    "Seraph IX Basarab. I’m an apolitical entity within the Eve …"
    For someone who is apolitical you sure seem butthurt by the words of the CFC's leader. Maybe you don't know the meaning of that word…maybe you do…

    Yea, right – and my left nut is named Lou.

    This site should have just stayed dead.

    October 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm Reply
  28. NullSecNoob

    True Article! The CFC failed, tribute is lost, we are in fail cascade, and outright civil war can't be far away. Sending application to DOTBRO corp. BTW where should I send it?

    October 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      la mata

      October 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm Reply
  29. NullSecNoob

    Not content to fail just in Tribute, the CFC is now failing in the Vale. Two systems failed already!

    October 30, 2012 at 4:14 pm Reply
  30. Ncgrunt

    This article is terrible and Why I will be reading my eve news at http://www.themittens.com from now on. You should fire the guy who wrote it.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm Reply
  31. Seraph IX Basarab

    Or skip it if it's too hard for you to read. But if you are that threatened about my tongue in cheek mech bragging, you might want to consider alternatives to your reading.

    October 30, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
  32. Perkele

    Breaking news:
    Huge battle between CFC vs. Dotbros at IRC space (Cobalt Edge), http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=14186

    This is the first time in many months that CFC has violated IRC's soverngty with massive force
    could this be the official invasion of IRC?

    CFC seems to have deployed a new doctorine. Which is deploying multiple doctorines simultaneously (Shield gang, Armor gang, Nano gang). Compared to their old doctorine, (when they only fielded one doctorine at each battle & failed miserably each time), this new one might not be as easy to counter…

    Hopefully one of the EN24 mods can report on this soon =]

    October 31, 2012 at 5:55 am Reply
    1. Perkele

      Total of 166billion isk worth of assets were destroyed in this battle (Equivalent to 2 Well-fitted Titans).

      Nice isk/material sink!

      October 31, 2012 at 6:00 am Reply
    2. Guy

      If only ncdot had those 320 IRC guys in Tribute. I'm impressed. I didn't think they could field anywhere near that many.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:35 am Reply
    3. Perkele

      The bigger questions remains:

      if CFC initiates a Sov. war with IRC, will SOLAR bloc come to their (IRC's) aid?

      or did CFC & Solar make yet another backroom deal?

      If the latter is true, then there would be complications & risks for DotBros to deploy their full supercapital might.

      October 31, 2012 at 7:25 am Reply
      1. meme

        As the article states above (and the older articles) CFC are not after IRC they want NC. they like having IRC around basically.

        They are after NC. after they have violated many agreements between themselves and the CFC…

        October 31, 2012 at 12:57 pm Reply
    4. IRC FC

      http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=14244

      Slight adjustment. Slightly more accurate. Heck of a brawl.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:05 pm Reply
  33. anon

    goons and cfc are dying and test and hbc is the new powerhouse.

    Look how PL dictate that, goons in all their glory, still a pawn to the old mercenary coaltion after all these years.

    October 31, 2012 at 10:05 am Reply
  34. meme

    Yes I agree been in the CFC that mtttens is a arrogent, self loving ass, where nothing in this world is bigger then his ego. but and I say but because, I read these posts especially the comments thinking that they would be factual and correct but plainly they are not..

    People say about cfc blobs but nc has done there own blobbing a few weeks ago.

    Seriously who gives a crap.

    There has been alot of fun in fleets ( and I have been in most fleets) cfc out number the enemy by around 50 men on most fleets so how the fudge is that blobing..?

    Yes they do hot drop small roaming gangs admittedly but thats par the course…

    And ofc cfc are not going for IRC only for the people that broke many agreement with them NAMELY "NC." as a reply to a comment near the top.. :')

    October 31, 2012 at 1:10 pm Reply
  35. meme

    Yes I agree been in the CFC that mtttens is a arrogent, self loving ass, where nothing in this world is bigger then his ego. but and I say but because, I read these posts especially the comments thinking that they would be factual and correct but plainly they are not..

    October 31, 2012 at 1:14 pm Reply
  36. NullSecNoob

    The CFC just failed all over the defense fleet in Q-VTWJ. Failed so badly I don't think any of the DOTBROS capitals managed to live. Over a 1000 pilots in this failed battle and lots of delicious tears in local from the victorious (not) DOTBROS as the watched helpless as the CFC failed all over their slowcats and blab dreads. Yes the failed CFC left a pile of capital and sub-capital smoking wrecks. Just posting here because I am sure this will not making the headlines on EN 20 fail.

    October 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      But wait I thought Cfc didn't care about the isk war?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:51 pm Reply
      1. NullSecNoob

        Did I mention isk? But if you are counting it, I am pretty sure the CFC failed that too. I think Dotbros lost ?150bil? but i am not sure.

        October 31, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
  37. So you're the guy that cries at HED over and over again, right?

    wantmoresebos?

    November 2, 2012 at 7:18 am Reply
  38. Seraph IX Basarab

    I didn't say, every single pilot. I said active pilots. GSF may have thousands of accounts in the alliance itself, but how many of those are actually active?

    But that's fine. I'm sure many if not most of the GSF line members don't care that much about getting a bit of the pie that they are there to protect. I was simply criticizing the little internal propaganda toward the other CFC members about GSF being one of the poorest per capita. I don't believe it.

    October 29, 2012 at 8:43 pm Reply
  39. Budge

    Nobody is forgeting fuel cost, sov. fee, or the cost of logistics out in nullsec, fact is CFC corps, and alliances are not playing by unique rules, all alliance in the game pay these without any valuable moons, there are infact other ways alliance and corps in the game bring in isk, much of it on the backs of thier very own pilots, CFC corps, and alliance are no different, they just have a hell of alot more carebears to make isk off, they also have a hell of alot of valuable moons, and the isk made from selling the products from those moons dwarfs the cost of running SRP.

    October 29, 2012 at 9:29 pm Reply

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