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I am opening this thread just like the Northern War one (from will I’ll bring up a crowd sourced article) but focused in events on the other side of the map. Feel free to discuss or bring up relevant events happening in the South.

Open Thread: Southern Comforts

I’ll lay down a few a discussion appetizers:

– Collapse of Red Overlord.
– Against All Authorities Retreated several times, PL/TEST gives pursuit.

– Siege of GE-8JV.

– Invasion of Catch/Paragon/Feyth

– SOLAR FLEET vs RA/GYSPY beat down.

– R

86 Comments

  1. SyncVir

    Why does AAA keep using Tengus against Navy Pocs? There are better ships, when you keep using the ships against those that were used to counter you. Something within leaderships very very wrong.

    If your enemy is slow, fit of medium to long range and only does Em/heat… really, pick something other then a medium to long range doctrine that weak in EM.

    October 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
    1. The Observer

      TBH, Solar's arty lokis would work well….but then again, TEST is a batphone away from a massive drake blob…

      October 19, 2012 at 10:58 pm Reply
      1. always laughahaha

        I think at this point, TEST won't be batphoning goons.

        October 20, 2012 at 12:05 am Reply
        1. want to see

          lol that would be funny since goons are red to half of the hbc would be a great fight tho who would shoot who first

          October 20, 2012 at 12:36 am Reply
          1. SyncVir

            Does no one in Null neut Triage? There are ways around everything if you're willing to put yourselves into position of danger. No fleet is unbeatable and you don't need to break out Lokis and Nuet legions. I guess Null is just too different from losec for me.

            October 20, 2012 at 3:46 am
          2. Test

            Once you get to know -A- all they care about is their killboard stats which is why they fly doctrines that allow to them be mobile and long range so they can stay out of harms why for the most part.

            October 20, 2012 at 4:42 am
          3. Val_V

            Seems like a valid tactic against blobs.

            October 20, 2012 at 7:58 am
          4. MasterDebater

            -A- can't use battleships because they'll get dropped by 50 tracking dreads

            October 20, 2012 at 10:43 am
      2. anonymous

        I don't think that would work simply because of the triage carriers. There's a reason you always go for the logistics first when fighting abaddons with lokis. Btw Nc. used them against solar first so they aren't really "solar's lokis"

        October 20, 2012 at 12:20 am Reply
      3. Plop

        They only worked once because of a poorly lit cyno with no block bubble which, RA was responsible for.

        RA made up for this on the next fleet with their own fleet comp. which did a good job.

        As much as many of us would luv to fly Loki fleets, they just dont cut it.

        October 20, 2012 at 2:25 am Reply
    2. M1k3y

      The NApocs can hit out to about 95km w/ scorch, cant really outrange them.

      Their DPS is terrible, 400, and its all EM/Therm, better ships definitely, however -A- seems too scared to use their old Loki doctrine.

      October 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm Reply
      1. stop posting

        wow, you have LITERALLY NO IDEA what you're talking about.

        October 19, 2012 at 11:16 pm Reply
    3. Sunbird_Huy

      Valid point…
      It's obvious that EM damage from those boats is kinda awkward for the tengus to tank. But what to do… The only 2 ways to counter the blobs is:
      a) to apply some sort massive AoE damage – bomber runs or proper disco fleets, supported by larger wing of dps/logi/ecm boats.
      b) to compartmentalize your fleets and sync them well. (requires several FC's tho, and good discipline)

      Question, why aren't the arty abaddons in use anymore?

      October 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm Reply
      1. anon

        pl would drop tracking dreads vs heavy tanked armor battleships

        October 20, 2012 at 2:55 am Reply
    4. anon

      1. enemys mainfleet is fitted for combat between 0 and 100km and has indeed some limitations on movement.
      2. there is allways a drake fleet as well which is moving andwarping around a lot,

      the tengus can deal with thos mixed fleets very well. atthe beginning of eachengage ment there are allways some tengu/scimi losses because the drakes warp in at 0 and web what they can.
      after all the tackle shit is dead only drakes and idiots on both sides die.

      tengus are way too fast /small/well tanked to die vs apocs at long range and drakes cant doshit vs tengus.
      the problem is even with 150 tengus its impossible to break a napocs tank with triage carrier support. or kill the triage carriers.
      i thing what -a- needs in this situation would be
      1. more numbers
      2. maybe 3 fleet doctrins at the same time. tengus to keep the fight going. you can fight for hours with tenguswithout much losses. then add a good bomber wing to those tengus and an alpha fleet.
      start the fight with tengus and kill the tackle shit. then do bombruns followed by alpha drive by action.
      not sure if that would win a sov fight, but that would cause some expensive losses for enemys and -green killboard-

      October 20, 2012 at 1:04 am Reply
      1. Basjah

        Funny thing that you say tengu's are to well tanked, last few days i've seen tengu's dropping like a sack of shit with napocs, so they are not that good as you speak….

        October 20, 2012 at 11:22 am Reply
        1. Constarz

          napocs are a direct counter to tengu's.

          October 20, 2012 at 11:31 am Reply
        2. anon

          that was a fc mistake. tengus were at 0 when the cyno were lite. tons of apocs jump in and tons of tackle. of course if all the tengus are burning away from the apocs you can instant pop them. and you can instant pop tengus if there are 100 rifters with webs to slow them down.

          thats how things work in eve. if you land with heavy tanked closerange ships at 0 on sniper skirmish ships they will all die.
          if the fight starts at range, only idiots and suicide tackle die on both sides

          October 29, 2012 at 4:54 am Reply
      2. renter

        You say 150 tengus cant kill triage ? Asumming 1 tenu does about 350dps (took the low side) 150*350= 362500dps which is way more then any triage can tank so if you cant break them its probably because they are not triage but spider. Also i know you can break triage with way less thenn 100 tengus.

        S

        October 21, 2012 at 12:03 am Reply
        1. anon

          1. a smartbomb ship between the tengus and the triage carrier will reduce the dmg.
          2. with overheat, fleet bonus and drugs you can reach 30k dps tank on a triage archon. triage runs only 5 minutes, so you have less then 5 minutes to kill 1 mio ehp with just a few dps more than the carrier can tank – if there are no smartbombs.
          3.tengus shoot with kin missiles. it isnt that hard to switch to 2 kin hardner as one of a few carriers. if tengus shoot with other dmg types, there is plenty of time to refit.

          October 29, 2012 at 4:50 am Reply
    5. timmy

      Tengus are still one of the most mobile fleets that can be used, and it's a necessity due to the numbers difference. HBC is an entire coalition fighting AAA, which is pretty much on its own right now. Even with ROL, FAIL, etc, HBC outnumbered -A- all the time. If -A- formed up a considerable number, HBC pressured themselves to form more and they could…

      HBC needs to have this huge number advantage or they would have been screwed from the start. This huge number advantage plus triage/supers makes other options apart from the tengu still not as useful, since HBC will simply not use the napoc doctrine and try something else.

      Regardless of what -A- use, the problem is numbers.

      October 20, 2012 at 1:13 am Reply
      1. tommy

        the price of the NaPoc is restrictive, there's generally no more than 50 of them in a full foxcat fleet (check BRs) with the remaining DPS ships being standard Apocs (30-40). There were only 80 battleships in the LGK battlereport and that was a flash form, coalition wide ping for supers tackled.

        The result is that there's been more Tengus then Apocs in most of the serious recent engagements (80-100 tengus it seems) and roughly double the Tengus as NaPocs. Not that triage carriers don't make a HUGE difference, but it's nowhere near "900 people" or "3 times our numbers." It's not even really a blob. Who else in eve calls 400 vs 450 a blob, who?

        October 20, 2012 at 1:37 am Reply
        1. The people who base their worth in a game and/or the losers.

          October 20, 2012 at 8:59 am Reply
          1. Constarz

            Says the dude taking a serious position on a fan news site regarding a game. If anything you're a hypocrite. Also, you can't sentence a structure =D

            October 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm
        2. yeah

          I think NAPOCs topped at 90ish + 90ish standard apocs in 4-07. Obviously when you ping jabber in some random time there will be less people around. And some will arrive late for backup fleets that never made it to field in time. Then again only reason -A- had 400ish in lgk was they had ally meeting so more people than normally was online. For normal cta -A- gets maybe 200-250 max. HBC random ping to shoot structures is usually around 400 lately. You just have more bodies around every time of the day. Nothing wrong of using them obviously.

          As for LGK battlereport some HBC fleet arrived bit late and never made it to any killmails. NAPOCs bridged top of tengus and managed to kill few dozen tengus in 10% tidi before tengus pulled range. Most drakes never made it even in locking range. Think -A- had something like 350-400 and local topped around 1000-1100 iirc. you can do the math.

          And thats not even counting the late comers forming fleets somewhere ready to come in hopes that -A- goes full retard with supers.

          But I agree tengu in general isn't good counter to NAPOCs but there isnt many against entity that has more supers logged off in range than -A- avarages tengus in normal fleet.

          October 20, 2012 at 9:22 am Reply
          1. Basjah

            funny thing how people say local is mostly over 1000+, last 2 weeks local was never over 600 with even numbers of AAA

            October 20, 2012 at 11:19 am
          2. troll..

            Not sure why I even bother answering this guy who is probably worst local troll I've seen ever.

            -A- has normally what MAX 100-200 in fleets lately. For morning timers its even less as RUS tz is inactive and euros are working and they aren't even trying to seriously defend timers. If your local is 600, it still makes 400+ for you. And you are often sieging couple systems at the same time (as you have quite a few allies who like to shoot structures).

            Local is indeed rarely at 1000+ excluding lgk when supers were tackled and -A- had meeting at same time. It makes no sense for -A- even show up if it looks like local would go to 1000.

            If you think that fight is even just because you only brought "bait fleet" hoping to get fight and not count rest of your allies available you are either fucking retarted or brainwashed or just clueless. If -A- don't undock 150 people to fight 200 people in your fleet probably means you have more next door or sitting in titan ready to bridge. Even bad FCs are smart enough to have scouts in obvious staging systems so they don't suicide fleets for nothing..

            October 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm
          3. hurrdurrdurrhurr
            October 20, 2012 at 9:53 pm
      2. Smallest violin

        Want some cheese with that whine?

        October 20, 2012 at 1:38 am Reply
        1. Mr_Gr3y

          Did your mother teach you how to trash talk?

          October 20, 2012 at 3:03 am Reply
          1. Apparently yours did.

            Why does this site always fall back to "Wahhhhh blobs"
            Recruit more people.
            Problem solved.

            October 20, 2012 at 8:52 am
          2. Norbert

            We don't want to. Funny how you still fail to understand that.
            No NAPfest for us. The members don't want it.

            October 20, 2012 at 11:59 am
          3. always laughahaha

            Yeah the 4000 members don't want it…

            October 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm
          4. Former SoCo Pilot

            -A- did have their own coalition, it extended all the way from Delve to Deteroid. However, they are horrible at diplomacy and now stand alone.

            October 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm
        2. Guy

          It's not really a whine so much as an explanation of why a- uses tengus. It makes sense for smaller entities to use faster ships that can disengage easily when fighting larger entities. Sadly if you really wanted to take on the HBC with current sov mechanics you would need to mass up huge numbers.

          October 20, 2012 at 11:17 am Reply
      3. Titus Veridius

        Huh….Elo was able to use zealots and tornados to good affect against double or tripple fleet numbers in Tribute. Obviously, they did lose in the end, but there are other options than using tengus vs a fleet comp designed to fight Tengus. ^.^

        November 9, 2012 at 6:19 am Reply
  2. SW for life

    And yet we are still waiting in Esoteria for an invasion…
    Sometimes I feel like people don;t like us at all and therefore want to strip us from all the fun that is happening around :(

    October 19, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
    1. asd

      Esoteria? What´s that?

      October 19, 2012 at 10:27 pm Reply
      1. M1k3y

        One of the regions that's practically been off the map because its deep in -A-'s empire and therefore never sees a war.
        At least until now…

        October 19, 2012 at 10:50 pm Reply
        1. SW for life

          Well, we usually get invaded like once a year or so, but at this point it's about two years since last serious attack (The Iniciative., Dead Terrorists, White Noise. etc. Does anyone still remember them?) and our allies are kinda dieing out due to lack of decent war.

          We d love to do some defending and then reconquering of our region.

          And seriously – we weren;t able to field more than 50-70 people (as Stainwagon) in over a year and yet we still hold whole region. Doesn;t it make you want to come and take it? Huh?
          Sure it does! Don't wait any longer! It;s basicly free sov in nice neighbourhood!

          October 19, 2012 at 11:16 pm Reply
          1. wut

            esoteria is boting heaven enjoy while it lasts

            October 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm
          2. SW for life

            Don't know about that. We live in Stain while renting Eso 😛

            October 20, 2012 at 12:14 am
          3. huh

            lol white noise didnt ivade they just thought about it and -A- ran away when theyre mind readers picked that up the INIT just moved in

            October 20, 2012 at 12:38 am
          4. SW for life

            I think they came for few timers in Feyth but nothing major.
            And -A- or ROL didn't really run away, they just got blueballed to oblivion (or rather to Stain) but then got their shit back togather, helped up hold enemies at the Eso gates and therefore we were able to assist them in getting their stuff back. Without them that wouldn;t be that easy.

            October 20, 2012 at 1:23 am
          5. SOCO

            And what happen to them both again…..hmmm

            October 20, 2012 at 5:43 am
          6. M1k3y

            Two years in EVE is a pretty long time to go without a serious invasion, better than most regions with, RA Raiden. and XDeath falling

            October 20, 2012 at 12:39 am
          7. aaa4lyfe

            Last Christmas PL pushed its dick so deep into aaa that they had to call Ospreys to rep their poses in lgk …

            October 20, 2012 at 1:36 am
          8. SW for life

            It must have been in one of your wet dreams mate, since I can't recall anything like that.

            October 20, 2012 at 1:42 am
          9. aaa4lyfe

            so you don't remember the multiple fleets and supercaps, which got hilariously raped and raped again

            October 20, 2012 at 2:11 am
          10. SW for life

            Not really. But we are neutral to -A- for over a year now so if thats actually true (dropping that troll part where you compesate for shortness of your privite parts) then it wasn;t enough big of a deal for us to remember.

            October 20, 2012 at 2:13 am
    2. Master_Hyde

      Alliances in Esoteria are no longer supporting -A-. Basically, they are neut to everyone. Thusly they will not be invaded in the near future.

      October 20, 2012 at 4:16 am Reply
      1. SW for life

        1st of all it doesn;t make any sense! Isn't threat of being invaded the main reason people form tose stupid NAP-fests? And now you are telling me that we should join one or everyone will just leave us alone? Assholes!
        2nd of all historicly we were always helping -A- when they were in deepest shit so it's safe to assume that we'll do that again. Therefore it's smart to kill us before attempting to finish 3A off.
        And 3rd of all we are blue to ROL and we keep assisting them in their fight with their cowardish alter ego.

        Oh, and after last changes Eso is quite a rich region, so such a great power like TRIBE should clearly come and claim all that moon goo so close to your borders!

        October 20, 2012 at 4:01 pm Reply
    3. donttalkbackto-a-

      you're not getting invaded because your leadership negotiated an agreement with hbc. if you were supporting -a- in any meaningful way you'd be beef jerky at this point.

      October 21, 2012 at 12:34 am Reply
      1. Mr. Deetroid

        hey m8 are your diapers full? Hard work .. ha ok, ask your momy to clean you up again and stop writing that what you did a moment ago into your pants

        October 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm Reply
    4. Sold

      As much as we like killing botters, we do prefer actual players. They cry moar.

      October 21, 2012 at 4:49 am Reply
  3. derelik resident

    well just judging by killboards, AAA is farming TEST quite consistently despite being pushed back.

    it seems however that PL is out for blood and AAA really only take serious losses when they're involved. I don't hold this against them.

    There looks to have been only one serious fight in the area, one in LGK recently over a hotdrop, with AAA surprisingly mustering MORE dps ships then PL/Test and trading some tengus for some capital kills.

    It looks like when PL/Test adopted navy apocalypses for fleets (o.O) AAA started having a harder time fielding 100mn tengus (also o.O) and more recently has been harassing them with massive alpha nado gangs, completely willing to lose 5 or 6 tornados to blap a navy apoc in the process.

    In response, HBC has attempted to get into objective systems before AAA arrives, and assuring they have to undock through the NaPocs, a situation which would devastate the zero-tank blapnadoes.

    GE- expected to fall within the next few days.

    October 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm Reply
    1. bla

      Ge-8 has already fallen.

      October 19, 2012 at 10:57 pm Reply
    2. Constarz

      Nice post. I think you've summed it up very well.

      October 20, 2012 at 11:38 am Reply
    3. Norbert

      Good summary, that is exactly what is happening. Except that GE-8 has already fallen.

      October 20, 2012 at 11:57 am Reply
  4. VirtualSex

    Can I get dumbs up for nothing?

    October 19, 2012 at 10:38 pm Reply
  5. The Observer

    I don't know what it is about PL. They get butthurt over imaginary slights. kinda like goons.

    October 19, 2012 at 10:59 pm Reply
    1. Father Gabriel

      dont write the name of this little ally in big latters .. has to be pl … small letters .. pl .. weak bastards could do no shit on their own, thats why they took damn kindergarten for help.

      imagine what will happen when dust comes .. stupid sado and his test friends will get even more little kiddos on their side .. thats terrible, thanks ccp .. you turn this game into a great damn kindergarten nightmare .. keep your local safe and block test alliance

      October 19, 2012 at 11:51 pm Reply
      1. always laughahaha

        You really need to stop complaining, or at least come up with better smack.

        October 20, 2012 at 12:03 am Reply
      2. wol

        lol, look at this mad, bitter pubbie

        October 20, 2012 at 12:35 am Reply
  6. abc123

    Well if history is any proof of whats to come, one thing is for sure that has been constant over time. All good things must come to the end. So with this in mind, I was browsing the diffent Eve forums and found this little nugget of a Testie trolling, tring to show there faith to there goon masters.
    http://i.imgur.com/C8l6L.jpg

    So just like the sands of time, the players names change, but it's the same old story. The trick is knowing how not to put oneself in this postion to get eaten and emo rage like a two year old when some bests you at your own game. Just say yep – you got me – back to the drawing board. Try again.

    October 19, 2012 at 11:25 pm Reply
  7. Gumpin

    What about my corp?

    October 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm Reply
  8. manboy

    wow -A- how about u atleast try to fight for ur sov..

    October 20, 2012 at 12:46 am Reply
    1. Norbert

      no.
      You bored already? Go shoot more structures.

      October 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm Reply
  9. skiloisgay

    The Muppets corp welcomes Feyth invaders!

    October 20, 2012 at 12:50 am Reply
  10. Master_Hyde

    – Collapse of Red Overlord –
    *From a TRIBE perspective*

    At first ROL was annoying. I give them alot of credit- they had every system camped with afk cloaky alts and a 100+ armor oracle fleet that would come through every day at 1800 to reinforce random stuff. That, and Vera Cruz were still trying to be relevant with their cloaky fleets. We hit back as best we could, but were busy joining TEST fleets, shooting at -A- and flipping our sov in period basis.

    Once -A- stopped their offensive into Delve and our JB's went up (thank God for JBs), ROL's cloaky camping became considerably less effective. After a month of being cloaky camped, the annoyed Tribal members were ready for a little pay back. We started by reinforcing JB's. Nothing major. They responded by reinforcing more of our stuff. Thus the back and forth of reinforcement timers. They are russian, we are american- so we couldnt kill each other's final timers. This went on for a few weeks.

    Then we took it a step further. We decided to reinforce all their neo moons in the hopes of a fail timer- we got more-than-expected american timers and thusly gained a few neo moons. That made them mad… so mad that we were getting stories of their exec raging in coms. Rumor had it that ROL existed to fund the exec's bill for his home. v0v

    When we reinforced the JB tower in gq2, we knew they would drop triage carriers since it was after DT. Tribe pitched the idea to PL/TEST of setting up a bait fleet and bringing in the pain to take them out. It worked. The next day, same thing happened- ROL lost more caps. One time they lost 7 Dreads. ROL is really mad at this point and pointing fingers at eachother. From that point on ROL participation plummeted. ROL began to fracture. After a few Tribe victories and inner alliance drama- they split in 2, and the rest is history.

    October 20, 2012 at 5:05 am Reply
    1. COCAS Skilo

      Really? REALLY?

      LOL

      How can you say Tribe this did or that when you where like 10% of enemy fleet composition?

      Blob is wining all wars and not better skills/ships/FCs. Bring back DD …..

      October 20, 2012 at 8:43 am Reply
      1. MasterDebater

        +1 for aoe dd

        October 20, 2012 at 10:45 am Reply
      2. Master_Hyde

        10% of the enemy fleet composition? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. And we were 100% of the fleet composition when it came to reinforcing your shit. v0v

        October 21, 2012 at 12:17 am Reply
      3. donttalkbackto-a-

        better skills – you are an idiot. it takes a seriously competent level of organization and diplomacy to find so many guys and get them all in fleet just to kick some shitlords in the nuts.

        better ships – you're still an idiot. you have the same exact ships available to you. nobody's stopping you from going to jita and getting your own ships.

        Better FC's – you're just an idiot overall. your FC's so far have only proven themselves as able roam leaders, not block level sov fight fc's.

        October 21, 2012 at 12:43 am Reply
    2. Constarz

      Thanks for the perspective!

      October 20, 2012 at 12:16 pm Reply
  11. infoprovider

    burn the dead wood

    October 20, 2012 at 8:03 am Reply
  12. U know who

    If HBC can bring the numbers, they should. If -A- could bring 1000 per CTA they would.

    There's strength and weakness to having a large coalition. Conversely, the same holds true for smaller, more experienced groups. Just different game styles.

    Periodically losing space is the cost of playing the -A- format – it's accepted and not a big deal. The light at the end of the tunnel is the fun -A- looks forward to perpetually farming those that "win" the sov war. This concept, still foreign to many is generally dismissed by our enemies.

    I think there's little doubt in even the most kool-aid drenched mind that -A -is always prepared to lose space. HBC grunts are told this annual retreat against overwhelming odds is cowardice. Much like -A- propaganda links the size of the HBC coalition to their inability to fight – of course both are propaganda.

    As a member of -A-, I'm looking forward to the next few months. For nothing more to see if the HBC, bursting with hubris, can withstand the aftermath of "winning" in Catch.

    October 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm Reply
    1. always laughahaha

      If you can hold on to the majority of your corps it should be interesting times ahead. I wish you luck!

      October 21, 2012 at 4:31 am Reply
  13. Father Gabriel

    There was a qute testiboy from Peru,

    who dreamed his ding dong got eaten by shadoo

    then poor testi awoke in the night

    with a terrible fright and found out that it was quite true.

    October 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm Reply
  14. Goon4lyf

    The simple fact that it has taken TEST this long is testament to the utter joke of an alliance we're allied with.

    October 20, 2012 at 6:29 pm Reply
  15. Outside looking

    -A- is loosing to a better and more strategically minded coalition and loose they will. -A- did have a chance to change this repeating history but they fell into what they know and it is a shame cause they had a chance to take the next step.
    Now -A- only has one card to play and that is to wait and hope HBC or whoever gets the space gets tired and bored so that they can creep back in. Yes they will get kills and say they are awesome cause the kill board says so, but even they know that is propaganda and spin cause they lost but it is all they can hold on to.
    I do wish them luck and will continue to cheer them on but all of us on the outside looking in know you wasted a great chance to be better.

    October 20, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
  16. PandemicHeathen

    LMAO!
    Seriously tho, it is quite amazing to see how far people are prepared to go just to try and beat someone else in a GAME…. [email protected] the propaganda you guy's need to get out more!

    October 20, 2012 at 9:44 pm Reply
  17. Perkele

    Simple solution:

    Ban trial accounts from even chatting @ Jita Local.

    October 21, 2012 at 8:15 am Reply
  18. dikreathz

    I jumped my -A- char through amarr space a couple days back, lots of reds :) and NOOOONe were able to tackle me, only one got my shields to half (woop di freaking doo) this while auto pilot jumping mind you!

    points is TEST and goons make noise, but so do empty trashcans. o.0 and i for one realise loosing GE isnt part of the yearly sov give and take and makes this years invasion more noteable, as it is ussually held, but it wont lead to the end of -A-

    October 23, 2012 at 8:22 am Reply
  19. DIERMT

    -A- got so used to Botting tengu's thats all they got.
    In all their alts's alliances in south they just making $$$$

    Well considering it is shame to use bots, pilots that use them use Tengu to appear and get self killed.

    ENJOY PL And HBC to shoot botters. WE players remember WE players enjoy every tengu killed.
    We cross fingers PL and HBS you will kill them all

    November 19, 2012 at 4:24 pm Reply
  20. Gavascon

    I love how some people calling other posters retarded spell it wrong and put retarted thus neagting their own comment also my corp is recruiting pvp pilots I need at least 30 pilots who will go into a wormhole to kill the towers of the guys that killed my pos a while ago in a wormhole and I want revenge also punctuation is for the weak need more power inc is recruiting when I argue I see shapes it is my way or the high way

    December 4, 2012 at 9:11 pm Reply

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