Here is an open discussion thread for the Northern War. Feel free to discuss or bring up relevant facts/happenings.

Open Thread: The War in the North

A couple of recent events which should serve to start the discussion:

– Black Legion. reset NCDOT for no specified reason, although is pretty much an open secret that Wicked Princess’ departure (or oust, depending on who you ask) from NCDOT might be related.

– A chunk of Razor is rumored to move back to Tenal Venal for some R&R.

– Goons and NCDOT keep seeding SBU’s on each other, prompting some “good fights” which don’t necessary happen during the AUTZ Time Zone.

– During the last two weeks only a couple of solar system has been flipped to the invader’s side, PNDN-V being the only station system.

– SOLAR FLEET participation in the Geminate conflict with NCDOT has been affected by the new front opened by Gypsy Band and Allies in the East.

– A mining Titan went down, what’s will fail players come up with next?.

– The H-W9TY Station was flipped by GoonSwarm Federation yesterday, NCDOT still owned the i-HUB and TCU, the station was flipped back to NCDOT ownership today.


– R


  1. Space troll

    WOW, my dog could of put together a better sysnapis of the war

    Keep up the good postings!

    October 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm Reply
    1. Val_V

      You should get your dog to post for you.

      October 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
      1. CB/JL

        However, the trolls would say he's………. barking up the wrong tree with propaganda?

        October 17, 2012 at 8:09 pm Reply
  2. VirtualSex

    Can I have dumb up for nothing? Test

    October 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm Reply
  3. NullSecNoob

    Yup, hard to take these systems with the timers set to AUTZ. But just want to point out that DOTBROS have not taken back a single system or Tech moon.

    October 17, 2012 at 7:52 pm Reply
    1. I just do not know

      Well today NCDOT lost a tech moon, but the Goon tower was anchoring so we drove off the defenders, blew it up and put a new tower back up, so we have taken back a Tech moon…

      And beating up a Tier 3 fleet with frigates was great fun!

      October 19, 2012 at 4:03 pm Reply
    2. gruntofncdot

      you have every advantage,numbers,isk,titans/supers and capitals. Explain to me again why it is you havent managed to beat such a small allaince yet?your 3 months and have half of tribute, we allways knew we had no chance of beating those numbers,but you didnt know we would be so hard to beat.Everyday NCdot holds space is a slap in CFCs face,exposeing them for being far weaker than most thought.

      October 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
  4. Impartial Observer

    Get serap to write another article about this if you want discussion

    October 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm Reply
  5. John Douche

    TL;DR: Overlord Riverini, master of the news, great ruler of the minds, gatherer of thoughts, demands discussion! Obey now or be deleted.

    October 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm Reply
    1. This is a space to discuss otherwise non article worthy occurrences, I'll make some for other regions/conflict along the week.

      October 17, 2012 at 8:13 pm Reply
      1. Correspondent X

        Confirming the NCdot/BL reset was not article worthy

        October 17, 2012 at 11:20 pm Reply
      2. Sunbird_Huy

        Yea, kinda have to side with others here:
        It was kind of major news out of all the stuff in eve last week or so. But hey, the space jump guy was more important, because we didn't have enough spam about that on every single internet related outlet. Or TV…god forbid.

        October 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm Reply
  6. Northern Grunt

    Tribute is still falling to the CFC but things have happened that have made it more difficult.

    Nulli joining the front lines with NCDot has produced some epic battles. Where once there were blue balls, now there are engagements.

    IRC is carebearing it up in the North. They've not really contributed anything to these fights recently if at all.

    The one wildcard I see in all this is a new player to the field <NEXUS>. I've only seen them on a couple of battle reports flying dictors and fast tackle. With close to 1,000 pilots. Not sure if they will ever play a roll in this, but found them flying with Nulli/NC and they are one of the northern alliances with significant numbers.

    Northern Coalition, Babylon 5, Nulli Secunda, Ev0ke, Ewoks, Nexus Fleet, Intrepid Crossing (If they can log in), Methodical Alliance, and non affiliated corps like Southern Comfort. — Together, they have the numbers to push back the freight train known as the CFC. Let's see what happens.

    October 17, 2012 at 8:13 pm Reply
    1. +1

      October 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm Reply
    2. 0.o Grunt

      Everyone hates on IRC, but it's NCs fault that IRC isnt as engagement friendly. They attack everything, and IRC won't attack it's allies. It does happen but it is a bad position to be put in when a titan bridges you into a blue fight. RUN FOR YOUR POD!!!!!!

      October 17, 2012 at 8:44 pm Reply
      1. Northern Grunt

        Yea, I can see that. But, it's also kinda lame if you blue everyone in site. EvE is built on conflict. IRC bluing everyone is exactly what the South is turning into. T_T

        October 17, 2012 at 8:57 pm Reply
        1. I just do not know

          As an IRC pilot that has been in a number of battles with the real hero of the war Dark Razor, all I can say is I don't give a monkies what you think, I for one have had a great time killing Goons, those 18 carriers on the CSAA were great fun. I am currently taking a short break while the emo around this little splat calms down, I jumped my shit out just in case…., but if NCDOT intend to continue I will be back and this time I will go balls deep with my main so I can join all of the fleets. And for your information it was not a full deployment, It was those that wanted to go fight Goons and could fly what NCDOT needed. I have been thanked numerous times by NCDOT pilots and I will take that rather than a faceless twat on EN24.

          IRC is not bluing everyone, IRC is blue to Solar and their block, we have put that relationship at severe risk to help NCDOT. But I for one are happy to repay the debt we owe NCDOT for helping us in terms of the CSAA's and HB.

          October 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm Reply
          1. Correspondent X

            Those carriers all got reimbursed yesterday by CCP btw. Convo bomb ftw

            October 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm
          2. Correspondent X

            The CSAA too 😉

            October 17, 2012 at 11:18 pm
          3. IRC Grunt

            Pics or it didn't happen. I call BS and otherwise its further proof how goons have infiltrated CCP GMs and Devs. In fact I dare you to post proof.

            The fact that Goons petitioned this in the first place is laughable.

            October 17, 2012 at 11:35 pm
          4. I just do not know

            It looks like it is true, in my opinion it made sod all difference they were repping the damage until they ran out of cap. It was only when they ran out of cap that we started killing them. Makes no sense to give them back their ships, so I guess we can all go back and grab the logs of when we were convo spammed and ask for our ships back?

            October 18, 2012 at 5:12 pm
          5. anonymous

            Sure you did

            October 18, 2012 at 12:08 am
          6. I just do not know

            Well I did not convo bomb on those kills, I refused to do it. As I said on an earlier threat they would have died anyway, in fact it actually made them last longer before they capped out.

            October 18, 2012 at 6:34 am
        2. Vvvvvvvvv

          IRC's only blues are Solar+pet(which are longtime allies) and Dotbro's (simply b/c they are fighting goons), and IRC will join and anti-goon coalition if asked. Take a wild guess who asked IRC to join? If you ask IRC to choose between Solar, and NCdot, then they will pick Solar in a heartbeat. IMHO I'm surprised they didn't pull out of the coalition the moment Solar decided to hit gem. If NCdot wants to fight the 40k pilot in goon+pet, and 40k pilots in solar+pet thats up to them, but you can't really expect everyone else to pick up NCdot's standing simply b/c NCdot doesn't want their space anymore.

          October 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm Reply
          1. anonymous

            That's fine we don't need you to reset Solar that is up to you and I don't think any of expect you too. We do need you for the Goon war though so please don't stop showing up for that.

            October 17, 2012 at 10:45 pm
        3. Glenn

          "IRC bluing everyone is <blah blah blah>"

          IRC have never been friendly to goons, NC. was part of the goons tech cartel and committed to helping them defend their towers.

          NC. show no commitment to friends or allies, i believe this is a failing that has carried over from TRI, always failing at the politics.

          October 18, 2012 at 12:20 am Reply
    3. fff

      think you might e missing 401k in all that too!

      October 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm Reply
    4. BntyHunter

      Its falling so slowly that its really losing GSF the war…..Think about it no AAA has failed and is siding with SOLAR who is helping Goons….Guess what PL loves NCDOT [US] We share alot of history and characters/FC`s and guess what they vowed to kill AAA, so when AAA goes to help SOLAR PL will follow.

      So this means PL will help us eventuwally, its just a matter of time, time we have but GSF doesnt.

      Everday we get more prospects of allies, think who would have thought Nulli? Cascade falling apart then coming? GYPSY BREAKING OFF SOLAR THEN FIGHTING THEM ???

      Everyday is a wildcard for us and a simple action for GSF, they dont have anyone else to blue….The yare tapped so they lean on there own participation and for 35k members a 200 man fleet is pathetic, like a whipped dog, 400 is sad hell even 800 would be low…..HBC has 20k and fields 800 on the regular. and for forumps 1200+

      We are winning because like the SPartans at the Hotgates we are holding for a Athenian Navy to come along and slaughter SOlar while we hold the Persians at bay on land, then once all those thousands of allies are gonna do? Leave GSF the most rich abundant land in EVE? Hell no.

      GSF hold 200+ Tec moons out of 400ish, that means 200×6 bil+155 Corps ratting+ what 60 Stations and all its taxes.

      5 Normal 5k ALliances could live off of what GSF alone has, 10 NCDOT`s could live like kings supply everyone a super in 1 year if it had GSF`s resources.

      So the question is are we holding long enough for the people of Eve [HBC,SOCO,EVERY INDY THERE IS] to realize they could be filthy fucking rich while PVPing nonstop vs nuets who in times of Sov taking would band together again……Not bluing everything there is and controlling Tec prices as 1 brain.

      We are winning…..Reverse our numbers a second. We win 70% of battles by landslides now with 5k Members tops 1600 NCDOT+1600 Nulli+whomever is left vs 35k CFC Members, and its been what 12 weeks and they still havent taken tribute, hell we are taking back stations, like H-W the other night, in there peak TZ.

      Now imagine 35k of us, if we didnt own all of DEK and Pets out in 3 months fully ready divided up into BL`s region/Nulli`s region/Ours/Gypsy`s/Execs ec etc we would be failures so bad people would laugh…….They havent even taken Tribute yet guys, and even if tthey took the 15+Sta systems left Tmrw it would be looked at as way to costly wa way to slow, grunts are complaining this was all war of ego, NCDOT never threatened them etc.

      They already lost by not steamnrolling us like they should have or tried to, they are so used to of guys evacing the second they see 30k members they have never had to actually fight lately. Well now they did a small David vs Goliath and David whooped his ass.

      Whats super count? Call them stupid all you want there your pilots…..
      8 SC`s for DoT including 3 Titans and 0 for GSF/CFC
      a KB of 69% vs GSF and RZR and FA, if not for so many Allies like 20+Allies and 600+Corps [155 alone in GSF lol] you would forget thats why there kB`s look good, 1 kill of theres is on 30 KB`s, ours is on 7? Every fight.

      Boyz beleive me win lose or draw in sov war they already lost major war…..GSF days are numbered we showed all of EVE Goliath has a weak chin, hit him in it for longer than 2 rounds and he is the same size as you.

      October 19, 2012 at 8:06 am Reply
  7. Black Legion Dude

    this is the biggest BS ever. "- Black Legion. reset NCDOT for no specified reason, although is pretty much an open secret that Wicked Princess’ departure (or oust, depending on who you ask) from NCDOT might be related" Vince went emo and kicked wicked out and in the process reset BL FIRST because of an alt of Vince lost a falcon to BL.

    October 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      We never reset you first sorry to break it to you we had you blue up until Elo informed us that he was resetting us. And Vince went emo because Muhadin was told several times it was his alt but he just told his pilots to keep shooting anyway.

      P.s. That falcon that he was shooting was carrying a t2 BPO worth well over 150 billion isk. There isn't a person in this game that wouldn't be emo about that especially when it is a blue shooting you THAT YOU TOLD SEVERAL TIMES it was your alt.… <– link to the auction

      October 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm Reply
      1. Barack Obama

        maybe you shouldn't be stupid enough to carry a 200b BPO in a red falcon through a system with tons of active pvp'ers in it?

        How the fuck are goons getting stalled against an enemy who's CEO is that stupid?

        October 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm Reply
        1. Sunbird_Huy

          LOL +1 on this.
          Basically, what the guy said is : hey, anyone red to us, take everything expensive you got, and as you go thru local, just say you are actually an alt of a local alliance leader. and make everyone else bend over.

          October 18, 2012 at 12:01 am Reply
          1. anonymous

            Thing is it wasn't travelling through space for the most part. It was bridged into G5ED but for whatever reason whether it be a bug or something was unable to dock. Maybe he could have given it to a carrier in a mid and jumped it but there was a very small probability that once it got to the titan anything would happen. Naturally this was that 1/one million chance where everything goes wrong and you had a dumbass like Muhadin who wouldn't stop until Vince forced him off the field by shooting at him.

            October 18, 2012 at 12:05 am
          2. bobbyCock

            Actually it's more a case of an Alliance leader who's too dumb to understand he needs to set standings w/ the holding corp in order to dock his alt.

            October 18, 2012 at 2:49 am
      2. BL duder

        Ya you need to get your facts straight. Vince rage reset us, then everyone else learned there was something going on and the situation got calmed down a bit and we were set blue again. Then on director comms Vince got tired of Wicked telling him to chill the fuck out and act w/ some tact, and decided to run a coup and secure all of holdings for himself. At this point wicked contacts us, we decide that Vince is acting to erratic to be allied to and Evac our stuff, resetting you 24 hours later.

        TLDR: vince is bipolar and an idiot. I don't know what spin he's been feeding you guys but at least get your facts straight.

        October 18, 2012 at 2:53 am Reply
  8. Rzr grunt

    Razor don't need r&r. We just want to fight.

    October 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm Reply
    1. DRF is fun

      Then reset GS and have loads of fights… oh wait.

      October 17, 2012 at 9:46 pm Reply
    2. some noob

      what's the meaning of R+R?

      October 18, 2012 at 10:02 am Reply
      1. John Douche

        Rest and Recreation. As in taking a nap, going on vacation, kicking the feet up, …

        October 18, 2012 at 10:22 am Reply
        1. MasterDebater

          *ratting it up 23/7

          October 18, 2012 at 11:56 am Reply
          1. Sunbird_Huy

            LOL thumbsup on this one 😀

            October 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm
  9. Feday

    Im tempted to try and join Ink tbh and leave Ncdot. At least Ink are getting fights it seems CFc have given up all hope of fleet fights against us now, they just reinforce and take down a laod of Sbu's put up their own then go home. Then they just wait and see if we take any of them back down again

    Today we had like 70 guys ready to take on a CFC 200 man fleet as they were trying to anchor a TCU in Vale (lol really?) but as soon as we got there they ran off. Tbf Evoke did turn up aswell but it wasnt really planned they just decided to get in on some pew. And we all went home bittery dissapointed in the end, god knows what the CFC actual pvp members are thinking right now. Hell even half of Razer have deployed into venal so they can get some pew in there own fleets being as the rest of the CFC pussy out at the first sign of any enemy fleet coming towards them

    October 17, 2012 at 10:11 pm Reply
  10. Snoopi Sniper

    Fair analysis…. However the overwhelming numbers of goons might just win the day… I do support NCDOT because they are the underdog and actually have the skill to fight goons toe to toe while outnumbered. IRC needs to get more involved… while solar is busy IRC can be doing a lot to impact the tide of this war but seem to be uselss. Solar is going to become less of an entity as the war in the east thanks to gypsy is stirring up trouble, and once test and their friends roll through the south (give it up -A- you're out of friends) who knows whats going to happen with their relations with solar (Probably blue them all… but maybe they wanna mix it up…lol). Politics is also playing a role in NCDOT… Which is a terrible time for it… the reason goons is united is because Mittens is the leader and has been a fairly good one from the goons perspective… There really is no wild card anymore, as the sides are set…. All that I WISH would happen is Test Grows some balls and takes on goons and also bails out razor…. that would be a war of… useless death of noobs and lots of retards dying in a fre… I like the sound of that.

    October 17, 2012 at 11:03 pm Reply
    1. I just do not know

      As far as I am concerned, having a load of IRC turn up in drakes is just going to help CFC morale, the best way is what we did, send the better PvP pilots to go who have the skills to fly the ships that NCDOT do. Lets give you a little fact, IRC has a shield doctrine, fact, most of the NCDOT fleets are AHAC's, so this limits the numbers. Also NCDOT switch fleets on intel, so some IRC pilots find that even though they are there and willing, they cannot join the fleet. The leadership of NCDOT know this and have no issues. In terms of that CSAA demolition, we had 16 in fleet out of 120, so not bad…

      October 18, 2012 at 6:40 am Reply
  11. old timer

    i've lost the count of tech moons captured by cfc somewhere around 47 …

    also , cfc has started to hit vale of the silent.

    October 17, 2012 at 11:41 pm Reply
  12. IRC Grunt

    Don't forget IRC has recent history in Kalevala. IRC helped a lot of Solar friends down there while NC was harassing us for good fights. We didn't take that personally, especially considering how NC has helped us with defense in Cobalt Edge. It just so happens Solar and NC don't get along which is making things complicated for us.

    Just need to work out these recent developments. Worst possible timing but it is what it is.

    October 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm Reply
  13. anon

    elo is so desperate for whale pussy he reset NC….

    October 18, 2012 at 1:40 am Reply
  14. stabby stab

    Speaking of things happening in the north, has the new season of Game of Thrones started yet?

    October 18, 2012 at 2:19 am Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      6 more months no?

      October 18, 2012 at 2:21 am Reply
      1. March 2013 if am not mistaken… *sigh* =/

        October 18, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
  15. DarthNefarius

    I'm just hoping that this war drags out another 3 months so that in order to pay for it Goons start dumping TECH onto the market at firesale prices :p

    October 18, 2012 at 2:25 am Reply
    1. old timer

      finaly someone speaking of what this war is about : tech .

      with near 50 moons captured, and tech prices maintaining at good prices , gsf is making insane money. on an economic level , this war is already a clear victory for gsf.

      on the other hand , im wondering how long it will last now for nc dot with only a few moons left.

      October 18, 2012 at 7:26 am Reply
      1. Guy

        Ncdot should have about four or five months worth of money left if things keep going at the same pace.

        On the other hand I think people overstate the importance of isk and tech. It doesn't matter if you have a trillion isk if you can't get people to logon and form fleets.

        October 18, 2012 at 7:46 am Reply
        1. old timer

          indeed , getting people into fleets is important . but this war has turned to a constant blueball and tz war …

          my point was more that , as usual , the major goon sucess in this war , the tech moons, and its implications, are "forgotten" in the op.

          October 18, 2012 at 9:06 am Reply
  16. Menalaos

    How is Black Legion reseting NC. not news deserving its own topic? Seriously?

    October 18, 2012 at 2:36 am Reply
  17. Nc. Scrub

    Nc. Is a joke. I'm sick of losing zealot after zealot. If our leadership pulled their head out of their ass and grew up a little we could maybe fight like real men and not the pussies we've turned into. Sorry but we ain't got the stomach for a long fight.

    October 18, 2012 at 2:43 am Reply
    1. gruntofncdot

      your clearly not Ncdot. No ncdot ''scrub'' would cry about loseing a zealot. If you were in ncdot you would know that those zealots are replaced via the alliance…and aside from that.. crying about losses is just against our culture.Its just not done. Way to much hate directed at nc in that entire post to be from a ncdot guy:

      October 18, 2012 at 6:55 am Reply
  18. Akrasjel Lanate

    Not wining fast engouth LOL

    October 18, 2012 at 8:44 am Reply
  19. I just do not know

    There seems to some misunderstanding over IRC and their deployment to assist NCDOT, IRC are not made up of many bitter vet type players, there is a large core of newish PvP'rs. The issue is that younger players lack the flexibility of being able to switch doctrines on the fly, this impacts IRC participation. This restricts numbers, quite often we have around 5 or 6 disappointed IRC in G5 when fleets go out, as they cannot fly what is called for.

    As carebear alliances go I have to say that IRC have a healthy participation, it could be better, but it could be a lot worse. A full on deploment would of course add numbers, but a fair number would be cannon fodder in drakes, I for one do not want to see the CFC lording it over a load of dead IRC drakes, personally I prefer blapping them rather then being blapped in them.

    As for the Goon poster pretending to be from NCDOT, try better, many of us have good links with NCDOT now, Dark Razer is an excellent FC to fly under, its worth it just for that…

    October 18, 2012 at 10:55 am Reply
    1. Guy

      That doesn't necessarily mean that IRC couldn't be helpful. If you had as little as one decent fc and a dozen ruptures you could grab a lot of nice kills – so long as you knew when to engage and disengage. Ncdot tends to formup mostly for those big fights so a presence inbetween the timers would probably be welcome.

      Plus can't you just have the lower sp pilots using tackle? More tackle is more kills, which is always better.

      October 18, 2012 at 11:03 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        Maybe, but you have to have a certain number of people to make an AHAC fleet work, otherwise they have to switch doctrine and that does not work as well. So our numbers of higher SP pilots has made a difference. Another thing is that tackle like that does not really exist in NCDOT fleets, it tends to be long range tackle and webbers.

        Outside of the ops all our pilots would be doing is giving easy kills to the much larger enemy gangs, I have already seen one IRC roam get destroyed without killing anything, and an NCDOT member quite rightly called them out for giving the CFC easy kills.

        The way we are currently doing it works well IMO

        October 18, 2012 at 11:58 am Reply
        1. Guy

          There's still no reason not to have cheap tackle floating on loadups near a fight, ready to come in and grab some stuff when cfc re-warps or tries to disengage. At worst it'll net an extra few kills for almost zero cost, especially if they're just in condors etc, or for the more experienced ones actual interceptors.

          I guess I really hate that elitist attitude of telling people that they're only giving the enemy easy kills and not letting them learn. All it takes is some cheap ships and a sense for when a blob is incoming and you can do some good damage. I remember killing about 4 bil of TEST stuff in an evening with my 1 enyo and a couple of small bubbles. That's literally all it takes and it definitely helps. Having fought ncdot in very small gangs I know that they're not all that good and cfc is a couple of steps below them again.

          I feel like it's a bit of a waste that IRC is only allowed to contribute maybe 10 guys to a fleet and not much else.

          October 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm Reply
          1. Sunbird_Huy

            That's actually a good point. If Goons will chest beat about killing a frigate in a 500+ ship fight, well, this is kinda self-explanatory…

            And the guys that came with cheaper ships actually saw combat, saw things happen and can come to realize how big battles can actually be. So few weeks later, you have those guys sit in a zealot or whatever, and actually know what to expect in next 2-3 hours of carnage. And not just sit tight and pray they don't die first.

            October 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm
          2. Vvvvvvvvv

            Supertwinky primaried 1 frigs in his own fleet at the start of the war, IRC dudes were told not to bother showing up if they were not going to show up in the right ships.

            True story.

            October 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm
          3. zef

            which is why you shouldnt join supertwinky fleets, not why you shouldnt join nc. fleets :)

            October 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm
          4. nc.

            Incorrect. Twinkey is like the dr. Cox of fc's. (scrubs reference woot woot). We are ALWAYS fighting outnumbered, and we need people in the correct ships on cta's, not some shitty t1 frig thatll get blapped instantly. But yea twink can be harsh, but he wants to win, as the rest of nc. does, and he or we don't have time for uselessness. It's not personal, and in the end it does make u a better pilot.

            October 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm
          5. nc.

            To be clear getting ur shit blapped by the fc doesn't make u a better pilot, but yhe fcrding ur ass about fucking up does lol

            October 18, 2012 at 7:00 pm
          6. Guy

            You put your t1 tackle on a loadup and have them ready to warp in when the enemy fleet moves/runs. That way they can learn about how the gangs work and can understand fleet warfare mechanics while they train up skillpoints, whilst also being useful in the sense that they can potentially grab a few more kills.

            Otherwise they don't participate, do nothing and learn nothing.

            October 19, 2012 at 8:13 am
    2. BntyHunter

      True, but you know they can always fly inties, Come on if they cant train a Heavy tackler there is something wrong, also Drake skills is very very close to Shield really anything, Pests, Cynabals/Vagas Nados/Nagas true you need T1 guns but we offer those on contracts, also use a 2ndary Logi pilot you used to plex etc, also I find it hard to believe alot dont have carriers, probably Thanny`s for bearing, we use em all the time.

      But like I said, I never heard a FC complain about to much Reps/Logi`s Tackle/Inty/T1 Frig with dual point or anti Bubblers using say Hacs either shield or Armor in a T3 BC fleet or a BS fleet…..You can always help

      October 19, 2012 at 7:42 am Reply
      1. I just do not know

        I agree with what you say, but it gets into a SP/ISK issue with the carriers. I think Super Twinky69 shooting a F1 frigate put off a number of people from turning up as light tackle, it is a pity, but perhaps this recent frigate /AF fleet taking on double their number of Tier 3's will change some thinking, I hope so.

        October 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
  20. Sunbird_Huy

    Here's a few lines about the OP:

    IRC needs to step up. Don't know the exact situation for them, but being blue to both Solar and NC. shouldn't stop them from setting up some sort of staging point for their guys that want to pew goons in tribute. If nothing, the H-PA in Venal, it's like 10-15 jumps from drone regions, and another 4-5 from tribute entrance(Q-CAB or something). Not my business anyway. And simply have a diplo clarify with dotbros to tell the guys not to go to that titan bridge when it's solar action time. (geminate is not that close, and since SOLAR is deployed more south due to Red Gypsies, it's unlikely to happen anyway).

    October 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm Reply
    1. Sunbird_Huy

      Don't know where Razor stands, but they've kinda lost any credibility they've ever had. Unless it's that sinister plan of Vuk Lau in the works – kill it from the inside. It would be nice to see Razor with their numbers and experience(combined rzr and MM, rite?), just go berserk and ninja on goons AND the dotbros lol.

      October 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm Reply
      1. Sunbird_Huy

        Would be nice to have a extended BR for this H-W 2-day flip situation. Eh Riv?;)

        Still kinda hoping NC. get their shit together regarding the diplomacy. Ego-tripping has no place in the big boys playground. If they can't get past that point(immaturity), they will always stay what all EVE sees them to be : most densely concentrated group of pvp-ers around, without a shred of social capability. Always falling short of what they can achieve.

        October 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm Reply
        1. Sunbird_Huy

          As for Mi-t-taneeh, I have to give props to the guy. The guy, as much as his insight into combat might be lacking, is a pure Machiavellian/Kissinger genius, in the small pond of EVE of course. how?
          1) Like it or not, attributing the slowdown of tribute war to Elo Knight rather than admitting
          DOTBROS as a whole sto(m)ped the goons, has driven a wedge between the BL and
          NCdot. how? Well, remember the posts and comments shortly after the "state of the
          nation" or whatchamacallit…Half ncdot raged it's not true that is just Elo, and even a post
          by Vince was made, in clear emorage butthurt style. Wedge driven deep. I know most of
          you won't agree with this, but…Step away from PC, and you'll have a lol thinking about it.

          October 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm Reply
          1. Sunbird_Huy

            2) Making his pets do more contribution to the campaign than his own members. And still
            making them think they should be grateful for being led into this. And however he spins
            his pubbies around , by now, anyone with more than half the wits required would
            realize the losses they were handed to would require a major change in combat thinking.
            How much can you lose before it gets boring lying to yourself it was fun?

            He knows how to play with his enemies. Mind games+blobbage vs. pvp skill/determination. Let's see who lasts longer.

            October 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm
          2. Sunbird_Huy

            Sorry for posting like this, but for some reason, writing these lines all in one post is not possible due to some connection timer with intensedebate thingy.

            October 18, 2012 at 12:48 pm
          3. Northern Soldier

            You sir are an idiot goon
            No one and I mean no one wishes Elo and BL nothing but the best
            Stop trying to cause a wedge, unfortunately for goons we are still showing up and still happy
            Don't get too comfortable in UMI we will need it back soon

            October 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm
          4. Sunbird_Huy

            Dude. You name yourself calling others idiots. I've got no love for goon, and where is it I give them credit for anything, except for following their leader like the zombies follow the scent of brain?

            The wedge is there. When I wrote the first post(which crashed??), I wrote up longer version – the wedge might not be his intent, if it is – wow, if it's not, well duh, I guess reset is kinda self-explanatory.

            Read, you ex-TRI. I've already stated a dozen times I'm supporting dotbros, but your behavior puts you back on the level with them. And not because I like NCdot more than goons, just because at this time, they give anyone that loves EVE for it's pvp side a glimmer of hope it still can be done.

            And where are those best wishes? What's the reset for, when you ACTUALLY NEED "friends with best wishes" at your side. Mr. Dim. Instead of making goons welp, BL is in fortress Venal and you are lacking one bunch of good pvp-ers. TTFN

            October 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm
  21. Perkele

    big stalemate on both sides, may eventually end up as a attriction warfare.

    we know that NC. alone has at least 800+ billion isk to throw in this fight =P
    idk bout CFC.

    I guess whoever burns thru their wallet first will lose the war.

    October 19, 2012 at 6:24 am Reply
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    October 20, 2012 at 3:33 am Reply
  23. DarthNefarius

    is intense debate broken?

    October 23, 2012 at 2:43 am Reply
  24. CfC Grunt

    Great Post totally based on fact. CfC will never take tribute …. Oh Wait.

    Hopefully well leave you in Vale so we can have fun on roams etc.

    Loosing a war due to a falcon….. Priceless.

    October 23, 2012 at 8:50 am Reply
  25. BntyHunter

    Your an idiot, we always said we would lose Tribute, since day 1, since Vinces frst Email he said we are going to lose this region but we will be fucked if we are going to be pets instead, You chose Pet route, thats ok personal choice.

    I don like choking on cock.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:53 am Reply

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