I have written a handful of opinion pieces through my time playing Eve and most have been battle reports or on the subject of Eve politics and whatever trends may be in play. Although I would not claim myself to be prophetic in any sense of the word, I did predict several key events 14 months ago in this article.

I’ll just make a quick run down on the predictions:

1. An invasion of the North.

Goons did indeed invade the North and placed themselves at the helm of the old Northern Coalition. Those of you who do not know, many of the people from the old Northern Coalition (NOTDOT) are still there. They simply traded who the lead was. This will be important later in the article.

2. An invasion of Delve

Happened, Twice. First with the “freeport invasion”, and secondly with the kicking out of Nulli and the escalation to war against AAA.

3. The olive branch.

Happened several times and I can’t help but smirk knowing that 4S Corp is within the CFC… Vi lukav Srpske. Vuk Lau may be a more patient Milos Obilic.

4. Lastly

Point 4 could more or less be lumped in with the other three.

First off I need to dispel any notion of bias concerning the subject of the article due to how easily some people get flared up. I fly with a corp that deals in small gang PVP. We like flying SBs and within the last six months we’ve bombed and harassed CFC, HBC, NCdot, AAA and various allies of all those groups. We operate under NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It). I’m as impartial as they get while still involved in 0.0.

So now to the heart of the article. This will be an opinion piece and analyses of the CFC Invasion of Tribute, The Mittani, the use of propaganda and other various tactics. Aside from enjoying Eve for the pvp sake, I also like to dabble in a bit of history and sociology, figuring out what happened and then why and why it keeps happening or why it ceases. As a point of analyses, I find The Mittani to be quite a fascinating entity. I’m not being a fanboy here I am simply working with what I see. Mr. Vee, Elo Knight may be a great FCs, Shadoo is also respected in that sense along with fulfilling a Henry Kissinger-on-speed archetype, Makalu yells, welps T3 fleets and has long boring stories about how amazing he was/is, but beyond that I do not know all that much. Some may take that as a sign of weakness while others may accuse me of attempting some sort of false Socratic humility. The truth falls somewhere in the middle. The point is, if The Mittani has any talent concerning the subject of Eve, it is making himself heard.

By the way, I don’t buy into this whole concept of “The Mitens vs Alex Gianturco” as the former being an in game persona while the latter being the real person, kind and well spoken twenty/thirty something year old. If by “my in game persona” vs “the real me” one means “the crap I feel safe saying behind a computer monitor” vs “oh wow I better watch my mouth in the real world, that guy can probably rid me of any possible concern that I would have too many teeth in my mouth”, then yes, that is a divide I can respect. And everyone’s level of risk aversion changes depending on if we are behind a monitor or in person, be they sad lonely fat neckbeard loser by day, devil-may-care firebrand by night or the most badass army veteran that plays Eve out there. There are different risks each of us takes in game, that we would not make out of game, so in that sense I am not faulting The Mittani in anyway that I wouldn’t fault anyone else.

Perhaps one of the most prevalent memories I have concerning Mittani, would be when he had his interview/debate via voice concerning the CSM with Riverini and whoever else was there to moderate it. I don’t think I listened to the whole thing but I remember in one instance when they were both being asked questions and Mittani had the chance to ask Riverini something. He asked him an impossible question at the time. “How would you fix the bounty system.” This is the sort of question you ask to make sure the other person fails, and to which there was no answer to. Of course Riverini tried the best he could but fell short of solving the issue. However, when Riverini flipped the question back on him, Mittani simply ignored the question and began on some other subject. I remember sitting back and thinking “Yeah, this guy is a politician.” As an e-politician, propagandist and self admitted student of Sun Tzu’s Art of War, it is important to know how the guy views himself, and from that we can and understand with reasonable accuracy some of the actions taken.

The most recent propaganda offensive by The Mittani, has been this concept of “all the NCDOT can say is that we’re not winning fast enough. Elo, Elo Elo.” The backdrop to all of this is of course the events of the past few months. With NCdot’s betrayal of OTEC (or the other way around, depending of who you ask) their eviction order by the CFC was set in motion. For the most part the CFC has been successful, as far as taking objectives has been. They had a large showing for pretty much all Timezones and easily outnumbered Dotbro coalition. UMI-KK went to the CFC after some pull and push spanning several timers across the north. The momentum that once carried CFC seems to have slowed down however, and that’s indicative of several important things.

CFC is more prone to get tired than DOT Bros.

They’re not used to a big stand up war. When was the last time the CFC fought an opponent that actually put up resistance? Can anyone name them? Whitenoise? Invasion(s) of Delve? Burn Jita and the Ice ganking campaigns were more challenging than any of those. CFC rolled over their minuscule opponents and beat their chest over an already dying corpse. That is not to say that there is no talent in what The Mittani did. He polarized elements within the old Northern Coalition to his side as their war against the DRF went from bad to worse, and essentially used the Russians to perform a coup. In come the Goons, pick up whatever pieces are left and eventually expels most of the DRF invaders installing himself the leader’s cozy seat. Now was all this planned? Probably not. Did he know how to profit from the events regardless? Obviously. Anyway…

CFC, specifically Goons, do not have the appetite for war that the Dotbros do.

Don’t get me wrong, there are elements within the CFC that are highly PVP oriented. But by far the rank and file CFC member is not. I’m not saying that as an insult, but simply as a matter of fact. The CFC’s strength is their numbers. Now people can complain all they want about blobbing, this and that, but that is part of the game. If Eve is meant to be a kick in the teeth that is more “realistic war” then of course being outnumbered is a regular part of that. Simply complaining about numbers will never get anyone anything be they Dotbros or SoCo.

By all means if your enemy outnumbers you, whining about it is about as stupid as the Wehrmacht complaining about getting “blobbed” on the eastern front or during D-Day. The CFC have a spectacular logistical engine and the level of organization and complexity would rival many things you would see outside of Eve.

They have put their numbers to great use, but even so the Dotbros are still getting victories and slowing down the CFC invasion. The fact of the matter is that everyone expects NCDOT and their allies to lose this war. Some thought they would fold in a couple of weeks, some think it will be months later, the point is that the war is lost for them eventually. This of course may be true but I wouldn’t say it is a sure thing. The fact that The Mittani came out full blast to address something like “not winning fast enough” shows that he sees this as a threat on some level, perhaps he would not admit it, not even to himself, but actions speak louder than words.

Not Wanting to Win Anyways

And that brings us to the heart of the article. How Not Winning Fast Enough translates into Losing Slowly. Think about that for a bit. Let it conjure up – God Forbid – the Japanese Invasion of China, Vietnam, Afghanistan (Soviet and US invasions) and of course Iraq. Prolonged wars is not profitable even if everyone is “in it for gudfites.”. Yes, I know EVE is a game, but given its uniques traits, it often mimics real life analogies. Short quick decisive victories like what the CFC is generally used to, gives them an air of invincibility. The fact that Dotbros have been the only ones willing to stood up and actually put a decent fight, has changed that notion. Stupid losses of supercaps and failures to gain any vital ground by CFC is wearing on their morale and their excuse of “Didn’t want that anyway” is really no different than when Vince Draken stated that he “didn’t want that tech anyway.” It’s non sense on both sides. One can say it is not a matter of isk but I really don’t believe that, and even if it were, there is also the issue of “the principle.” Both propaganda machines try to curb the effect of their enemies while maximizing their successes. The CFC failure in H-W… an important system to NCdot was a failure. However, the CFC did gain PNDN and they try to play it up, even though PNDN is not all that relevant to begin with.

A Difference of Goals

But why is a long war bad for CFC and not bad for Dotbros? Because the latter has different goals they need to accomplish in order to be successful. CFC can take the territory, but DOT Bros only need to win fights to show their opponents weakness. Any loss DOT Bros have is easily attributed in the eyes of “the public” to blobbing. Any victory Dotbros have is a work of great leadership and talent. The bottom line is, a Dotbros victories are worth more than CFC ones. The CFC can push on and take territory, but they do it at the cost of many more ships using outdated doctrines and providing morale boosting kills for Dotbros. In essense, as long as Dotbros still want to fight, the CFC is slowly still losing.

Pilot for pilot, Dotbros pilots are a somewhat better. This is due to various factors. Skillpoints don’t tell the whole story but it is still a factor. Perhaps it’s simply that Goon pilots have grown too accustomed to being unchallenged and have a bad case of atrophy while Dotbros routinely engage in more challenging fights. The Goon doctrine is also outdated and there doesn’t seem to be a remedy for this in sight. Goons know this, Dotbros know this… the question is, do the other entities within the CFC realize this which brings me to my next point to consider…

Imagine the CFC without Goons.

That’s right, keep everything within the CFC except Goons. And then replace that with… how about Dotbros, and do a little bit of territory redistribution. Now compare those two possibilities as if they were two entities that could exist at the same time. Which one is the better coalition? It is interesting to consider simply due to how the cultures of these two entities clash. It isn’t that other coalition members such as Razor, have a culture more similar to Goons. On the contrary, their similarities run more in line with the Dotbros, and is more “military oriented” the same way Goons and TEST culture is much more similar on other levels.

Of course Mittens has created a very successful propaganda campaign stating how “well” they treat their coalition members as equals and everyone has a say, while Dotbros are elitist pricks that are more in love with the sound of their own voice than helping their allies out. Perhaps a bit of everything portrayed there is true, but simply treating the higher tier leadership in a coalition well, does not mean the lower ranks will not notice the many slaughters they are lead to either intentionally or not. At least intentional slaughters can be attributed to “didn’t want that anyway” but the unintentional screw ups are not as easily forgotten. And naming a fleet a welp-fleet doesn’t makes it any funnier losing them. If anyone here want to contest me that constantly losing ships is actually a fun thing to do in game, please raise your hand and tell me which is your home system.

On the other hand the Dotbros have such an strong impression on the CFC than is not rare to hear someone to compare then to the 300 Spartans in a Pandemic Legion fashion back before PL got TEST to meatshield for them. (Perhaps NCDOT is Black Legion’s more talented meatshield? That’s another article) Propaganda wise they’ve been somewhat successful at that but where they’ve really been much more successful has been with their actions.

In Summary

So you may be asking, “that’s all nice Seraph but what the hell are you trying to get to.” To simplify it very much, the longer the war in Tribute lasts, the worse it is for the CFC, and everyone involved in a leadership position worth his salt knows this. Dotbros just have to resist and they’ve been doing well. What will be the game changer will not actually be the CFC. I firmly believe that given enough time, the Dotbros can hold a good portion of Tribute and Vale and may even expel their invaders. More realistically some sort of agreement could be reached.

The important player in that aspect isn’t Vince Draken or Mittens, but rather SOLAR who has been pounding the eastern front of the Tribute/Vale war. Perhaps I have a soft spot for skilled underdogs, resistance fighters and what not which lends to my personal cov ops preference, but everyone has to admit that although tactically not sound, it is impressive that Dotbros can to some degree fend off both the CFC and Solar+allies offensives. What would happen, if Solar and Dotbros can to an agreement? With those sort of numbers the article written right now, may be taking place in Deklein.

So with all of that, we will see how well The Mittani handles the Damage Control. I firmly believe that any entity that grows to big and powerful, eventually corrupts. The “noble ideals” of the upstarts come to be simply propaganda tools as they become successful and win. This happened with Goons and Dotbros are no different. However, for the time being, I can’t help but be impressed with Dotbros, especially Black Legion. Their pvp talent is nothing to ignore. In the same breath I can say that the CFC logistics and abilities to maintain the campaign has also been just as impressive. The question is, how much longer can this be maintained.

– Seraph IX Basarab

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299 Comments

  1. PL Grunt

    As soon as you said we are NPSI you lost all credibility. No one shoots corpmates and alliance mates as soon as they undock and hunts them like the enemy if they are not in fleet. You are retarded

    October 13, 2012 at 12:45 am Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      LOL shut up boggart is that you? troll mofo :p

      October 13, 2012 at 2:07 am Reply
  2. some dude

    When alliances become big and lazy, they eventually die. Carebear's morale breaks with the first lost ship. With the 5th lost ship – he spends whole day carebearing and hating his FC's who led him to this misery. With 10th lost ship – he don't undock. CFC is having all symptoms of this pattern – the longer they wait, the bigger chance they loose this war.

    October 13, 2012 at 12:55 am Reply
    1. ninja grunt

      DBRB welped 10 ships of mine in quite a small time window , I still <3 the fat bastard :)

      October 14, 2012 at 12:21 am Reply
    2. cfchai

      Nice region, we'll take it.

      October 14, 2012 at 10:11 am Reply
    3. a dude

      Uh, this isn't quite true. No CFC alliance is at the point where they cannot reimburse losses.

      October 14, 2012 at 10:45 am Reply
    4. NullSecHoBo

      You may want to bring in the role of essentially free ships (through SRP) and a culture that embraces whelping into your analysis, and then look at actual numbers of pilots of whatever alliance/coalition you think this applies to. You might find chinks in your hypothesis.

      October 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm Reply
  3. R97

    amazing article

    October 13, 2012 at 1:31 am Reply
  4. goebbels was better

    Firstly, lets clear up a little bit of CFC propaganda – Dark leads 90% of the AUTZ fleets for NCdot. not Elo, so….. Nice try M but that ploy dont work! (Although I think elo got a bit embarresed about it! )
    Secondly, when Dark pings for a fleet, around 150+ pilots are on the titan, in the correct ships and ready to go within 10 minuite's of the first ping – this is in direct contrast to CFC responses this last fortnight, when they have been unable to field a fleet.
    Anyone who bothered to listen to the M waffle should be able to read between the lines, and derive the conclusion that CFC have conceded the AUTZ, and with it the overlaps from USTZ into EUTZ.
    Effectively, CFC will not form for 50% of the day.
    Thirdly, the derogatory tone used by M when referring to the one CFC autz FC that has at least tried, Fawlty, was dissapointing to all of us who have been engaging against him.
    Poorly skilled pilots flying tired, outdated doctrines cannot win subcap fight's without an enormous preponderance of numbers which, well, see the secondly comment!
    Perhaps, Fawlty, your flying on the wrong side – some NCdot corps are recruiting……

    October 13, 2012 at 1:54 am Reply
    1. sammy davis

      Fawlty is good people. But he is young. He may be 18 by now I'm not sure. But don't let his age fool ya. It was good times flying with him and was shocked when he mentioned on comms he was 16. Not only that but it was when goons and test were invading delve. When pretty much all of IT Alliance had given up fawlty was out there every night trying to kill as many goons and testies as he could.

      He would make a good asset to NCdot I'm sure. But he tends to like to have at least a bit of power. Just keep that in mind while trying to recruit him.

      Saints Amongst Sinners. Those were some good times. Probably the most fun I've had in Eve. Just had to say it.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:22 am Reply
    2. I just do not know

      I used the M word so my post got purged, I know Fawlty very well, I was his corp CEO, and I think he is an excellent FC, I think M was referring to DBRB and not Fawlty. DBRB is not very good at moving fleets in battle, Fawlty is, Fawlty is handicapped by the CFC doctrine. And funny enough Fawlty was refused from NCDOT because he had a few short of 1k kills, I should know I advised him to join NCDOT.

      October 13, 2012 at 11:53 am Reply
  5. Zr00s

    If Stupidttini the so call student of Sun Tzu’s Art of War most know that numbers in war doesn't matter. What really matter is discipline and determination DOTBROS has more that CFC. An example Adolf Hitler invaded USSR was winning and then it took too long to win the war. And after much struggle lost.

    October 13, 2012 at 3:00 am Reply
    1. Purplehazey

      Numbers do matter because this is eve not rl.

      As to your historical reference, Hitler invaded a nation that was what 10x it size? and started during the fall/late summer to try and conquer thousands of miles of territories with a large army with supply lines going thousands of miles back into Germany before winter hit and disrupted their supply lines.

      EX: Donations to German army for winter coats did not arrive to the front till the spring
      Source :History Channel

      October 13, 2012 at 8:57 pm Reply
  6. Pantera

    Goons have cut down on their losses quite considerably this week.
    Sadly only because there have been a lot less fights.
    If this doesn't change Dotbros need to start a counter offensive into Goon homeland.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:20 am Reply
  7. We wern't winning fast enough so they decided to kill themselves with drama. Muhahahaha

    October 13, 2012 at 7:51 am Reply
    1. Guy

      Tri must be the only alliance capable of killing itself while winning 80% of their fights. Didn't want those allies anyway, I guess.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:52 am Reply
      1. Charles Darwin

        Can't wait to read the damage control report here (assuming en24 doesnt take a news holiday on this one)

        October 13, 2012 at 11:22 am Reply
        1. Guy

          I'm sure they'll come up with something. It's going to hurt them, though – BL was contributing around 1/4 of the fleets and a couple of the best FCs.

          October 13, 2012 at 11:34 am Reply
          1. sammy davis

            Are you just trying to report your own shit? Your not fooling me by posting under another name. Blalh blah fuckin blah. Quit commenting on your own comments it's fuckin lame.

            October 13, 2012 at 11:49 am
          2. Guy

            That's actually someone else.

            October 13, 2012 at 11:51 am
          3. Charles Darwin

            I'm actually disappointed, the :smug: from tm is going to be unbearable if dotbros go into full implosion.

            October 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    2. nc. grunt

      so true

      October 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm Reply
  8. old timer

    anything about wicked princess being expell from ncdot by vince draken , and black legion being threatened of total reset ?

    nulli and bl evacuating staging system ?

    whats going on ?

    October 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm Reply
    1. Mario

      Well it would seem Vince lost a Falcon on an alt, that was not Blue to Coalition members. As per the rules of PVP NBSI. Vince cried a bunch over the loss of his Falcon and his implants, raged about it, threatend to drop standings with BL.. He then decided to kick Wicked Princess out because she is ELO's (E)-GF or something.

      A bunch of drama ensued with Vince taking 800B from the alliance wallet, then ejecting WP. Apparently it has been returned.

      Black Legion. Is returning to venal as they have decided to reset NC., Nulli hasn't gone anywhere, they have always sat in JSV and that is their form up system. Some pilots however may be taking assets out on their own initiative, which is probably smart considering the back bone of the PVP effort in US TZ and a large chunk of AUTZ has now left, leaving NC. rather low on numbers.

      Putting the pieces together Id wager Nulli relocates to the South to bolster WHYSO/INK against SOLAR. BL will likely go back to doing what ever it was they did before the war. Then again they might be inclined to act as mercs as well. Which could be beneficial to SOLAR or GSF.

      Needless to say, this is a sad end to what was a good war.

      Vince tears best tears!

      October 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm Reply
  9. guest

    This is the Goons Weakness and that dare to be great moment for the dot bros.

    Like Catch & AAA it seems Tribute is un winnable as long as dot bros hang on. Even if the goons win tribute, the sustained war footing will not last to hold the region if dot bros don't give up. Catch was overrun yet AAA never gave up and took it back twice in recent years. Catch is a swamp. So will be Tribute if dot bros refuse to leave.

    If the dot bros keep up the good work, the goons will either be on NCdot's dinner plate or they will have to beg TEST to bail them out. Either they lose altogether or cede themselves to be almost a lesser partner or pet to the HBC.

    October 13, 2012 at 4:34 pm Reply
  10. lol

    i haven't been to en24 for months and the first article i read isanti-cfc material.

    i do love this site…………..not

    October 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm Reply
    1. Seraph IX Basarab

      Person 1: "PRO GOON ARTICLE!!!"
      Person 2: "ANTI GOON ARTICLE!!!"

      Person 3: "Good balanced article."

      It's all good to me.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
  11. chuckles

    I heard from a little bird a vagina won the war. Those dirty little things crush empires and ego's all the time lullz.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
    1. Mario

      I would not say won the war…but the vagina definitely made a big play. Id wager the war is most likely over, but you can not make a claim until the fat lady is singing. For all we know on the outside looking in, this could just be an elaborate hoax to encourage GSF to actively engage again.

      The fights have been dwindling, nothing would entice the GSF crew to attack more than at a time of perceived weakness.

      Bait and switch and all that.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm Reply
  12. Nulli Member

    Unfortunatley Nulli leadership has now told its members to start moving assets out of Vale and into empire space apart from ships people absloutley need. Its a really big problem BL are leaving tbh obv they have good members and a half decent super cap fleet, but they also provided most of the courier contracts for ships and restocked alot of the G5 market. They even had an awesome delivery service open to all dotbros which they could use. So not only have we lost around 1/4 of the fleets numbers were also going to start having some supply issues for ships unless some one else steps up and takes it on.

    Nvm anyway we will still put up a good fight wish you the best of luck BL.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:20 pm Reply
    1. The rummer mill

      I heard BL is leaving because one of its members popped a vince (NC. leader) PL ALT, he then raged and reset BL. This is when WickedPrincess complained to vince and at that time BL was then re-blued. Then something else happened (don't know) and BL was yet again reset and Wickedprincess has been stripped of rights and in the process of being kicked.

      If thats true way to throw in the towel over some ego their NC. leadership. Finally starting to wear on the Goons and you alienate BL like that. Seems Nulli took a hint too at the coming self destruction as well.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        Seriously… this is a buzz kill after goons welped fleet after fleet last night. Woke up all refreshed and then find out about this BS.

        October 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
        1. Nulli Member

          Lol were not leaving yet Bro just getting the ships that we most likely will not use for Pvp out of Vale, were keeping all the Pvp ships we know we will be using at some point still in Vale. Personally I am still keeping 5 ships in Vale for pvp so if things do go wrong quickly it only requires 2 trips to empire and back again in a carrier instead of the 4 it would have taken me.

          I just want us to all be friends but Eve doesnt work that way, and it would be pretty boring if it did lol

          October 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm Reply
      2. Mario

        I would take it with a grain of salt. Appearances can be deceiving. This could be what it is at face value, or this could be smoke and mirrors, designed to lull GSF into a false sense of superiority. Id wait until all the chips fall into place before jumping to conclusion.

        October 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm Reply
      3. Random nobody

        If only EN24 would run a story about this. It seems like a pretty important piece of 0.0 news.

        October 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm Reply
    2. watching

      if this is true vince is a shithead.. fighting goons with one account and fighting with em on another, twofaced morons is a real gamekiller..

      October 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
  13. Nobody

    The OP is equal parts conjecture and wishful thinking.

    A long war has risks for both sides simply because anything can happen over time (for example, see the upcoming NC./BL drama). If there is a danger of player fatigue, it is more likely to appear in the side with fewer reserves and stricter demands placed upon pilots. The real issue of fatigue is with leadership and especially fleet fc's. I see no evidence of one side or the other having an advantage in this regard.

    The OP's comparisons to real life are just silly. Real life conflict involves suffering, danger, pain and sacrifice. Eve conflict involves doing what we all love to do. Big difference.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm Reply
    1. Mario

      Actually the OP has some very solid points, while his ability to convey them is not to strong, he does have a grasp on the cause and effect.

      The simple facts show that GSF is indeed declining in a morale sense. In regards to other sections of this topic, the OP is pretty spot on in that regard as well Specifically CFC without GSF.

      GSF is the backbone of the organization, and its manipulative leader has seen to that. CFC is essentially a name given to keep the pilots under an illusion of inclusion. The fact is GSF calls the shots, they are the alpha and omega at the end of the day. This is confirmed by the very design of the alliance, and supported by the very reasons this war began,

      GSF has been taking control of the North since before NC(nodot) fell. Eliminating their strongest competitors one at a time, and sheltering the scattered assets in the wake. The majority of CFC is old NC(nodot) alliances that were shattered, and ran to the protective arms of the GSF, and their propaganda of greener pastures.

      OTEC was an extension of GSF control, they imposed a stringent policy, and the bloc being under their control (for the most part) could pick out the strongest assets and shatter them in kind.

      Thus we have the current War, regardless if OTEC was broken, or if it was a retaliation to political implementations is irrelevant. What is relevant is the follow up. The GSF mobilized their pets, and began targeting the entity that most likely could harm their interests.

      This is not the first time we have seen this, the same tactics took place in the Old North War, and the DRF War. Divide and conquer and isolation tactics. It is also how you manipulate a coalition into good little sheeple.

      Once NCDOT is out of the picture, then GSF will begin to focus on its next subject, likely RAZOR, and they will spin the propaganda machine and invoke support from their "allies" into a fevered frenzy.

      It has happened time and time again. However this time the GSF ran into a roadblock with the DOTBROS, their designed shatter and blob tactics have fallen flat, and their numbers are declining, while DOTBROS gets stronger.

      As for recent events, not enough is known at this time, there are lots of unsubstantiated reports flying around about this and that, however it isn't over until the fat lady sings. This could just as easily be a bait and switch tactic, designed to entice GSF to fly more fleets now that the DOTBROS are not Bros. Take advantage of a weak enemy.

      It is sure to spurn numbers in the GSF, and only time will tell if this is a real blow up, or just a clever tactic to bring more fights. Personally I find it hard to believe that this is all over a Falcon, or some jealousy thing between Vince and Elo. Politically it is dead nuts retarded, considering Elo and BL. have been more or less keeping NC. around these past weeks.

      But yes, things will be interesting over the next couple days/weeks.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
  14. tyyr

    Riverini you are fun as hell to hang out with and so on– but damn man! I swear- where you go alliances die. And it's not your fault but I do believe you are cursed. Some south american witch put a voodoo curse on you bro. You banged the wrong Panamanian witch or something and now she has cursed your game.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm Reply
  15. Feday

    Lol do you think Vince will just say fuck it and rage reset the rest of the coalition aswell? I mean if your going to fall out over a falcon alt then its not going to take much else before a rage reset happens

    October 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
  16. Guest772829

    I only play EVE from EN24 and Verite map. What is this vagina and falcon thing I hear about? Sauce please. I have popcorn but no drama. Write faster. Thanks.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
  17. Mercfromabove

    I believe its all down to how much will power either side has.

    If DOT bros are enjoying themselves they are far more likely to succeed in this war.
    Goons and co will need to rethink what they are doing. Interesting, long battle to come :)

    October 13, 2012 at 8:50 pm Reply
  18. wat

    RIVERINI WHERE ARE THE NEW ARTICLES? 48 HOURS WITH NO NEWS ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    WRITE ABOUT NCDOT'S FALCON OF FATE AND SHIT. C'MON DUDE, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.

    p.s. I don't care if real life interferes. Thousands of people depend on you for news.

    October 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
  19. Wololol

    This article needs to be renamed:

    When "Not Winning Fast Enough" devolves into "Winning Overnight"

    October 13, 2012 at 9:45 pm Reply
    1. Guy

      Seriously where's the article on the falcon drama? It could be a turning point in the war.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:08 am Reply
      1. sammy davis

        I've got 10 isk that says mittens got trolled.

        October 14, 2012 at 5:39 am Reply
        1. sammy davis

          You know what I take that back. Mittens may even be in on the joke. At any rate I can't see this guy getting so butthurt over a falcon. Think about it. He has access to an 800 billion isk coffer and is getting mad about a falcon? Not believable to me but who knows.

          October 14, 2012 at 6:36 am Reply
          1. nerd

            sure, because that explains why BL. have taken their ball and moved home.

            you are, bad and you should feel bad.

            October 14, 2012 at 6:53 am
          2. sammy davis

            If you're gonna troll you gotta do it right. I could be totally wrong here and freely admit that. But with 800 billion isk would you really get rid of a coalition member when you need all the numbers you can get in fleet over a falcon? It's hard to believe that's all I'm saying.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:05 am
          3. Get fucked nerd

            0 trolling.

            We just moved home. Vince chose to alienate his members.

            He whined like a girl, threw a tantrum, and got mad in front of everyone.

            The 800b he took is supposedly back in the wallet, but seeing as he is the only member capable of taking from it, it might as well be back in his personal wallet.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:21 am
          4. sammy davis

            And for all I know your Vince or Mittens or some random goon that tried really hard to make me believe it by naming yourself "Get fucked nerd". At any rate I need some real proof. No one from BL or NCdot is saying anything.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:41 am
          5. Guy

            It's not a troll.

            Ncdot, vince in particular, is that bad at working with other people.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:28 am
          6. sammy davis

            Look you can't convince me tonight. You can't be bad at working with people and survive very long in this game. As I said before I could be wrong but it's gonna take more than anonymous people posting on EN24 to convince me.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:37 am
          7. Perrrrrrrse

            Unfortunately it is not just one. Kugu has well known posters from BL and NCDOT confirming this over and over.

            Because everything that is posted in Kugu must be true.

            October 14, 2012 at 7:52 am
          8. sammy davis

            That very well may be but no way am I filtering through kugu. The layout is so horrible and I just don't know why anybody goes there. The latest and greatest on what's going on in eve just isn't worth it.

            On a side note someone tell me why do so many people like kugu. I just don't get it.

            Flames and negreps incoming I'm sure.

            October 14, 2012 at 8:09 am
          9. haytler

            Hahahaha youre dumb dude. There's sources confirming that it's truth, but you're so brainwashed you'll throw out any excuse to not believe it. Good luck when we take your region.

            October 14, 2012 at 10:08 am
          10. sammy davis

            A goon says I'm brainwashed. OMFG. The irony just blew up my freighter.

            Just so everyone knows if your freighter is getting blown up by irony just say 3 Hail Mittens and you'll be saved and have life in eve forever(at least mittens says so).

            But seriously just die it's better. Being a goon with no talent is hell.

            October 14, 2012 at 11:16 am
          11. BntyHunter

            See this is why we need mandatory user id`s so you people are marked. You have had 35k members at your disposal and we have had 5k……You havent moved ever since UMI what a month ago?

            You are terribad PVPers ho would have better luck not FCing fights, your pets like RZR are 10x better than you.

            If we had a numbers advantage like you we would out your entire region in 3 weeks….Totally mapped

            October 14, 2012 at 8:25 pm
          12. BntyHunter

            I never saw the allure myself except back in BOB days it was one place besdies EVE-O forums that fought corruption so now all the old timers/bitter vets

            October 14, 2012 at 8:22 pm
          13. Guy

            Well, it doesn't matter if you're convinced or not. That's what happened. It all fell apart because of 1 falcon.

            October 14, 2012 at 8:27 am
          14. someone

            still find it hard to believe, maybe it is all a play to try and get goons to attack more?

            October 14, 2012 at 9:50 am
          15. BntyHunter

            Moved home? Lol JZV was home, hell anywhere in vale or tribute is home, They still are on our COmms we still fly with them, we are fine, its just on more inflated lie to boost morale…..Lol its funny how not affected we are.

            I hope it breaths back life to you because as of now you are a shell, and wont fight/undock without 3:1 so sad.

            October 14, 2012 at 8:20 pm
  20. Sunbird

    Feck. been off to the sea for about 4 months now, and I am missing some of the most epic wars around…

    Sincerely hoping the war goes on and NC. keeps their allies (not sure what's this drama), but from what I've seen looking at killboards and 2 months worth of Goon campaign – half tribute taken? Damn.

    To clear it up, not a huge fan of NC., specially because of drama queen retard behavior of the superstars there, but they know PVP. Just need social skills and there would be so many more PVP vets willing to join them, me first.
    I was with NC. allies when we attacked Mostly Harmless in Fade/Pure Blind 2010(or was it 2009).
    We were beating the feck out of old NC, until the superstars started emo-queen-rages and everything kinda fell apart. I am however impressed with the work they are doing, and it shows that with teamwork and respect for the allies you can do so much more.

    Here's a 100m SP pilot, with lots of experience, and so fcking eager to get back to eve!
    Keep it up dotbros!

    P.S. Sweet article mate!

    October 13, 2012 at 11:08 pm Reply
    1. An NCDOT bro

      I hope Vince is reading this!!

      Being a good leader is not just having lots of experience and know it all. It is being able to show example. If you cannot put your ego aside when things heat up, you are not ment to lead. All the hard work done by every single pilot in those GFs and it could be all blown up because the guy at the top cant keep is cool. For a fucken Falcon?? Pathetic!!

      October 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm Reply
      1. Sunbird

        Heh, hoping you're not a troll.

        I stand by what I said – only able to check out browser stuff with current connection, and got so impressed with stuff done by dotbros it made me go berserk with memories of awesome campaigns I've had in the past.

        Dotbros got the stuff required : PVP intent, experienced pilots(ffs, how many eve-vids have been made by nc. superstars?), experienced FC's. And allies hellbent on pure destruction – without using blobs.
        Really hoping to get in on this. My fingers twitch at the thought of slapping the blobbers across the cheek with my ePeen 😀

        October 15, 2012 at 11:52 pm Reply
  21. cheese

    Get outta GE-fkrs:)

    October 14, 2012 at 3:25 am Reply
  22. cheese

    As i said before my post got deleted. "Get out of GE you testies" :)

    October 14, 2012 at 3:48 am Reply
  23. Perkele

    There's seems to be a rumor that Black LEGION is planning use CFC as a meatshield for major OPs
    just like pandemic LEGION using HBC as their meatshield.

    BL = PL

    just a under a slightly different name =P

    October 14, 2012 at 7:26 am Reply
    1. agdsf

      Shame that most rumors are just that, rumors.

      October 14, 2012 at 10:47 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Lol more Goon rumors, you never heard Elo or talked to him, yeah he loves Wick but come on its internet, he isnt going to side with everything he hates in Eve because of a spat.

        Remember we never had plans to formerly join….They were fighting CFC we were fighting CFC one day we said lets join up, and that was it.

        Guys lke you dont get it CFC makes real PVPers sick, everything about them is an abomination.

        October 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm Reply
  24. Bad

    Does anyone remember who was the ncdot director who got all girlie and decced rvb due to the mate-gate?

    October 14, 2012 at 7:55 am Reply
    1. Judge Dredd

      NCDOT seems to be full of hard fighting thin skinned girls.judge

      October 14, 2012 at 7:57 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Wick has had Soho Tores, Sort Dragon from Emo now in PL and like 5 more…..They never last [obviously] and they are always fine in the end, this time though instead of the dudes leaving she left.

        October 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm Reply
  25. sammy davis

    This has nothing to do with eve and nothing to do with any events ever related to eve. This story needs to be spread as far as possible and its a possibility everyone here has read it but I can't take the chance that someone here hasn't heard it.

    The story is about Amanda Todd. She is the tragic victim of bullying. She told her story through a youtube video. Some reports say it was a couple days before and some say a month before her suicide.

    Here is her video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7afkypUsc

    October 14, 2012 at 11:30 am Reply
    1. someone

      as shit as that whole situation is, i dont really think this thread is the right place to be posting that

      October 14, 2012 at 11:45 am Reply
      1. sammy davis

        I couldn't help it. Your right but I just couldn't not post it. As much as I hate to say it; If one person views it then it's worth it. It moved me what can I say. I want to spread this video like christians want to spread the word of jesus.

        October 14, 2012 at 11:55 am Reply
  26. RZRguy

    Nice read. Although NC. disbanded so… Who got tired? I can see we can call you visionary and over all the pillow fight between Vixen and Wicked Princess and her joining BL was quite entertaining…

    October 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      NC. Disbanded? funny how we are still murdering you guys….Lol Wick left doesn`t mean shit, she will be happier with Elo we still have our bros….You really read way to much into it.

      More and more each day people are wanting to come to NCDOT, and not EVE u guys but 65 mil sp plus 3 year battle hardened vets. Also more blue than ever wanna come hel pus fight Goons because hey know even if we lose, we showed how easy it is to halt CFC with a tiny Army, the second the blood hits the water and they realize hey we can take tech and make 8 times what renting a system does….Its over for Goon.

      Hell I bet money in next year HBC members are going to be fighting GSF

      October 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm Reply
  27. BntyHunter

    I always said this.

    If CFC like RZR etc just accepted the truth that GSF allowed DRF o win so they could then beat DRF one at a time, they might change there minds.

    You guys were fine till when? Till GSF came to NC ad "Friends" then Own was booted, ME was taunted and because ME leader didnt know Mittens name or who he was a melted down lol quote "Vile you beleive this guy, head of ME and doesnt know who I am, let you in on a secret im one of the most famous players in Eve"

    They came DRF and NC were dead Tied, literally no one was winning basically, GSF sent a few guys but nothing major…..NEVER SUPER SUPPORT, let you guys lose all your Titans and the war.

    Then after a battle weary DRF they got Xdeath to turn RA to Turn and Fought Raiden. 1 on 1……They intended to break NC up from the beginning look back 1.5 years I called it.

    GSF has 200 Tec Moons
    GSF has had an avg fleet composition of around 20% with 2x the numbers of all other fleets yet get 90% of the moons?

    Even if you guys stepped back out of the war you would ouble your assets, we would kill goons and all of former Dekco could take Dek for real though not just be guests and have shitty pureblind and Cloud Ring…..Hell PL come up wih us and take Dek we would murder them.

    That is my prediction anyways, at some point people are going to realize goons are papertigers, with huge numbers but not alot of active fighters, they rather carebear.

    Once we keep showing how easy they bleed more groupls like Gypsy and smaller coalitions will make us Blue and help out, Hell if AAA falls, im sure we will get BUSA, Because Mukk was NCDOT and a good FC. and MM guys in AAA hate Goons for what they did when they left them…..Also I think at some point when PL realizes we own 20 moons but could own 60 that NCDOT would protect they will come to help as well.

    We might eve lose short term SOV but mark my words because we have shown how fragile GSF really is for how large they are, they will fail…..NC was 10 stronger, if MAX campaign hit GSF now they would fold in a month.

    If these Pet/Renters just woke up and said no like RZR what would or could they Do RZR? We would Blue you and they cant take us even with 40% of the fleet being you [the talented guys] imagine you saying to screw off we want the Tec and sov we have taken…..What could they do? They barely holding on now.

    FCON same thing, you were NC first, FA will never leave because Zagdul is a backstabber like mittens outing his own friend who brought him into FA to run it in promise to be goons bitches.

    Guys like Apex Ardent, I flew with Ardent guys they were tough guys with great PVP skills what happened? When did blobbig and pressing F1 and structure grinding become fun?

    AND ALL THE STRUCTURES YOU GRIND ARE FOR GOONS……..Why not do what they did Rzr and say we are blue to you but we have our own Coalition and take Convicted Monkeys and others with you? They would freak out , its what they did to you.

    They are masters at getting peeps to fight problem is they have shown this tactic to much now peeps realize its hat they do, anyone who cant see that now deserves to get mapped. RZR you were great. Ardent in FA?

    WTF happend to your pride guys?

    October 14, 2012 at 12:35 pm Reply
    1. Guy

      But what about falcons?

      October 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm Reply
    2. Fact checker

      "GSF has had an avg fleet composition of around 20% with 2x the numbers of all other fleets yet get 90% of the moons? "

      GSF holds 90% of the moons? Do you actually believe that? Not even close I'm afraid.

      When your claims are this far from reality it serves only to show just how desperate you are to fragment the CFC the same way dotbros has.

      October 14, 2012 at 6:09 pm Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Im not talking all the Tec Moons im talking the ones takiing from NCDOT, I fly by them all the time. 80% at most if your luncky.

        You obviously drank the coolaid…..BTW how many systems that were taken are owned by any of the CFC besides Goons?

        You took what 25 systems how many arent goons? Yeah exactly

        Once more make a user ID stop hiding behind being Anon. This is why people like you on K.COm get ripped a new asshole because you can say shit you have no idea about but you are called on it no anon posting.

        And the AVG fleet comp is 20%, some big battles 40% but most battles less than 20% so it evens out….I should know Im killing you. And we kill 10x more FA/FCON/monkeys/Convicted/Lawn than GSF because besides bringing there FC who is far worse than some RZR has they dont bring many soldiers at all.

        9k vs NCDOT`s 1600 and your mincemeat

        October 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm Reply
    3. I remember

      Razor, FA, FCON, LAWN and all the others should just sit it out and let Goons fight DOTBROs alone. Just like Goons did during the DRF invasion of the old NC. That would be hilarious!

      October 15, 2012 at 2:28 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Exactly, what could Goons really do? RZR would eat them alive with our help. They dont have resources to start 2nd war at all as most the fighters are Coalition not GSF….It would be over in 2 weeks GSF would fail cascade., they are a shell who represented alot of power once like AAA, they always say AAA is pas is prime etc but so ar they without there skills and history of negotiation they are nothing.

        October 15, 2012 at 2:59 am Reply
        1. NullSecHoBo

          Haha if you're trying to do the whole divide-and-conquer thing, you're not very good at it. Or you just don't understand how quid-pro-quo works in 0.0. Or both :)

          October 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm Reply
  28. HBC

    the hbc will deploy north if ncdot has any chance of winning. we cant let our bros have any trouble. after they helped destroy the south

    October 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
    1. CFC

      Dont worry about that its been 24 hours sence the queen of the north pack up and left NC. We have yet to see a NC. fleet larger than 25 people in that time. Looks like BL and Nulli have both back out. So it will be our few AU corps(carebear mining types) vs their AU corps(PvP). With the timers set for AU the alarm clock ops will only happen on the weekend bring in the NA and EU groups. So mostly stactic during the week with blitz ops on the weekend.

      October 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm Reply
  29. Splash

    all right… but what's your argument, Seraph?

    October 15, 2012 at 1:40 am Reply
    1. John Douche

      It does not always need an argument to make a point. Seraph's point is that the war seems to be coming to an end.

      Some people argue to make a point and pretend to know everything. Seraph does the opposite, writes about what is known and leaves the conclusion to the reader.

      Only does Seraph write too much, writes about unimportant stuff and loses focus along the way.

      It is not a great article, but sure better than the crap written by the other bloggers like Pathetic Pencil and Retard Ted.

      October 15, 2012 at 2:04 am Reply
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      aight aight aight but whats your argument, lay it down for me, aight aight…

      psh…you get off the lap top

      October 15, 2012 at 2:11 am Reply
  30. VirtualSex

    Just writting the comment number300.

    Cause the 300 Dot Bros deserve it

    October 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm Reply
  31. dontalkbackto-a-

    "elite pvp" right to the end huh?

    October 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm Reply
  32. BntyHunter

    I dont see you guys having these huge 3:1 victories?

    We are fighting bad pilots but still have 3 times our ships with actual proper ships. Also we dont care how many they have we undock TBH.

    Im sorry I dont consider AAA to be a small elite PVP Alliance. They were great in 06, but They got pushed so fast so hard by PL/Init and if not for Stainwagon you would never have come back, now Stainwagon were good fighters and you guys basically hung alot ofthem out to fry.

    Im not trying to be a smartass….But Vince vs Maka you cant even compare the two I flew with Maka he is terrible, yes vince rages and makes mistakes but Maka is a rager who welps huge amounts and blames them on his guys.

    If test really are the easiest to kill in Eve then why not fight 5:1

    We fight what we call GSF but they only brig 20% of pilots, We fight good guys like RZR, Convicted hell even SOLAR is good, our guys are battle hardened, with the exception of PL this is TEST`s first major war.

    I dont thin kyou can compare the wars.

    You had like 4k man alliance with 25k Coahlition, you hung out Nulli and RA, treatd init like shit and Raiden so they flipped then your best friend like our Evoke you left alone with no support as they held the backdoor closed for you, and instead of rushing to the fight you stopped along the way for some kills? Leaving them 3:2 outnumbered by PL. Sorry man but your Comms says it all you guys call everyone Pets who isnt triple a, we cal Nulli BL etc Bro`s, Hell even IRC who you would call total pets we are very nice to and consider them bros.

    Thats why people like us, we have buddies but can fight them for fun some days because we are true PVP then when theres a threat we band together and try to stop it.

    Plese link me some of the fights where you were outnumbered by PL and still thrashed them like we do to CFC.

    Constant 80 man gangs killing 120+ losing 10-20 while outnumbered 2.5:1 with the richest alliance in game

    October 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm Reply

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