Being subject myself to convo-bombing often I get in fleet fights, I found amusing the outcry generated during the battle for WV-0R2 in which a Titan was aborted by the DOT Brothers. During the fight, the Razor carrier pilots complained they were subject to convo-bombing.

Yesterday one of the warning emails sent by the GMs was leaked into the wild.

Leaked GM eve-mail throw light on alleged Convo Spam Claims.

Official Warning From: GM Bunyip
Sent: 2012.10.10 21:16
To: Redacted

Greetings, GM Bunyip here.
This is an official warning that a large number of your alliance members have been caught exploiting the chat invite system to gain an unfair advantage in PvP.
They have been confirmed as exploiting by sending multiple chat requests to characters in an effort to give themselves an advantage. This incident occurred on 2012.10.02, from 10:40:00 onwards, in the WV-0R2 system.

Note that exploiting in such a way is against the EULA and Terms of Service, and could ultimately result in action being taken against their accounts. Additionally, dealing with these incidents takes us a great deal of time – time that could have been better spent helping players with genuine problems.
We have treated this incident with great lenience. All that has happened at this stage is every individual involved has been warned and had their account marked for future reference.

Future violations may not be treated with the same lenience. Please inform your alliance to cease this activity at once or risk action being taken against their accounts.
If you wish to dispute this, do not reply to the EVE mail. Instead, file a petition.
Best regards, GM Bunyip

How Convo Bombing works?

A while back ago CCP Games integrated a functionality on the “audio and chat menu” to allow players to open conversations to other player via double click, all its left to do is to spam the left mouse button on the desired character.

What can be done to counter it?

Luckily the EVE Client has several options which allow you to block all incoming conversation, all non-address book conversations, block corps, alliances and conversations from specific individuals. So the tools are there, but they are often overlooked, forgotten or simply unbeknownst to some players.

Metagaming the Metagaming

The big issue has been this is one of those :EVE: “features” which has been lying around for ages and CCP Games haven’t bothered to fix. Some players even ignore the provided countering options in hopes of petitioning their lost ships afterwards and making a case to the GM of being “affected” by the convo spam.

In other cases like mine specifically, blocking all incoming convos is a luxury some players cannot have – given that it would deny them business oportunities or in my case getting a nice scoop.

In the end CCP Games needs to publicly admit the mechanics – like many other often overlooked mechanics – was poorly implemented. A default “five new convos per minute” limited could be implemented as many other solutions. Oh! and CCP while you look at it, please find a way to block all incoming local chats, I know Jita traders and null-sec fighters would deeply appreciate it.

– R

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53 Comments

  1. Suzume

    Good Riddance if they keep it up.

    Win (or lose) the fight on the merits of your ship, your skills, your FC and your friends. Leave the rest at the door.

    October 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      They did it to our fc's all the time so our Fc that night said fuck it convospam this carrier. Funny to see Goons cry to ccp about us doing that to them when they do it all the time to us. Next time I send in a petition about being convo-spammed I expect something to happen if they are going to do that for Goons. I still believe those carriers would have died anyway since they were probably running out of cap seeing as they had no cap xfers on those carriers and perma running 4 capital reps will drain you very quickly.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm Reply
      1. DarthNefarius

        Turn about is fair play…

        October 11, 2012 at 5:30 pm Reply
      2. Some people be dumb

        Funnily enough, the pilots who got convo bombed are from RZR therefore are not Goons, but hey, reading shit takes effort right…

        On the note of Goons doing this, I beleive this "has" happened but each person requested a conversation with the target once (so "not spam") whereas the NCDOT bros sent mutiple requests each, hence the warning. I dont agree that one is different to the other or that Goons shouldnt have been reprimanded, but at least ensure you have all information to hand before making wild accusations regarding CCP having one rule for you and one for Goons because there is a difference in the circumstances, no matter how small…

        October 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm Reply
        1. You are retarded

          No one gives a fuck who they are, they are all under one coalition.

          It's DOT Bros vs CFC ( AKA GOONS ) You are classified as goons because you are all the same skill level. Enjoy posting angry comments about my truthful statement.

          October 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
        2. anonymous

          Hey I was there btw and if you want instead of calling you goons I can call you goon pets, whichever you prefer and Goons definitely do not send just one message. There are no differences in the circumstances and I find it hilarious the tears coming from you guys over us doing what you do to us all the time.

          October 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm Reply
        3. leetnessmonster

          To quote a certain FC

          "Whoa whoa whoa, my friend, my friend…. pets do not declare they are not pets"

          October 11, 2012 at 8:55 pm Reply
        4. Some be dumber

          just read the comments above/below and wallow in your newly-realized pool of pet shit. have a nice day.

          October 12, 2012 at 3:55 am Reply
        5. BntyHunter

          Lol Angry Pet detecded, in fact this could be the reporter….He says RZR isnt Goons and trys to say NCDOT did it first….Lol you obviously are new since thats all goons can get but GSF has been doing these antics since bfore you were in diapers.

          I`vce come to realize most older guard NC I respected even thoght they needed to disband have moved to real PVP ALli`s where as these new invarnations of Goons and RZR etc are all newbs who were in Ibu`s when MM was around in full force.

          October 12, 2012 at 4:04 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Way off topic but GSF and huge entities lke them also never used to exist at 10k numbers because they would be kiled by orphanage….since the Wardec nerf there is no natural Blob predator…..They literally suffer no where…….
            And our elected officials, like Elise who was pro Sall PVP/Leet PVP, a great rapper said.
            Elise Randolph you used to my dawg u was in my left titty, scream ride o die thought you would die wit me now you are bitch you aint on the side as me."

            Seriously Kill the Blob make Eve fun again, hell there 35k members could send us what? 6 invites a toon and all from diff peeps and still not break eula….lol

            October 12, 2012 at 4:09 am
          2. NullSecHoBo

            Feel free to keep telling yourself RZR is the same as Goons, but it may help your comprehension of events if you allow the possibility of that not being the case, and that not all in the CFC follow the same playbook. Shocking, I know.

            October 12, 2012 at 7:20 pm
          3. lol

            you clearly don't have any idea how rzr operates in relation to the cfc

            how's carebearing in hisec?

            October 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm
      3. Titus Veridius

        During my time with Black Legion I know of at least one time that Goons, outnumbering us by several hundred and raging from the fact that Elo Knight was jabbing a metaphoric knife into their sides, got convo bombed.

        I was present for a good portion of the US time zone fights between dotbros and goons. I never once heard an Ncdot or Black Legion FC call for convo-bombing Goons or Goon allies.

        The hard turn to port this website has made in it's reporting amuses me muchly.

        October 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm Reply
  2. Gumpin

    Why dont they create a list of people convoing you, instead of opening a new window? They could stick a new icon on the neocom for it and everything "Some random asshat that wants to talk to you #247395"

    October 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm Reply
    1. abc123

      That is a very, very good ideal. Why dont you put it in the forums. I think that would really be a easy fix and great tool to deal with convos. Then when you are ready you can open the Neocom Icon and take the convos you want and let the rest be. They will be cleared off the list when you log and put in a log in your EVE game logs for later review. It also gives one documentations of your Chat request spammed by meta game fagtards like the likes of PL and other LOSERS.

      October 11, 2012 at 4:49 pm Reply
    2. Akrasjel Lanate

      Nice idea

      October 11, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
    3. skalle

      they didnt thunk of that. good idea though.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:56 pm Reply
  3. LOL.

    somehow i expected something else of a “leaked” gm eve-mail.
    this is simply a gm reply that was shared once to often.

    and no, the eve chat system is great, not everyone needs to be and or act like a goon fucktard.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:09 pm Reply
  4. DohDoh

    So most of the Goons should have had action taken against them by now then??

    October 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      Question is didthe Goons that did thisbefore get the same warning ordid GM's bother & file it in the circular basket with the "our logs show nothing' excuse w/o even looking at the logs?

      October 11, 2012 at 5:32 pm Reply
      1. Really

        Goons have had this same warning before, yes.

        October 12, 2012 at 6:43 am Reply
      2. NullSecHoBo

        Yeah CFC FCs have been warned for this this too.

        But as is the case here, nothing was actually done by CCP about it before either.

        A wag of the finger is not the same as a slap on the wrist, and all that..

        October 12, 2012 at 7:16 pm Reply
  5. Thunderdome

    I do like the double-standard here again. NCdot does on a specific incident and gets warned. Meanwhile, Dotbros firewall and logi pilots have standing orders to auto-block all convos because goons have been doing this for months without action by CCP.

    Also, a few months too late. Hell, this stuff was used going back to the IT wars.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:45 pm Reply
    1. erroch

      Go earlier then that. When the goons hit Immensia back when Atlas was still failing, I got convo spammed in almost every engagement, even if I was just sitting in a cloaked cov-ops and not even on the field.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm Reply
  6. Corteztk

    It was a titan in build not a super carrier just to correct the top of the article….our spies are everywhere

    October 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm Reply
    1. RZR

      This shows how poor your spys are^^ – For sure this was a Hel only.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:02 pm Reply
      1. I just do not know

        You are admitting to making a Hel, good god man that is just a waste of a CSAA…

        October 11, 2012 at 8:33 pm Reply
        1. BntyHunter

          Seriously he just admitted wasting a CSAA number 1, number 2 admitted how low on the food chain he was, and was told HEL to act like it was minimal loss number 3, we really do have spies high up you tool , and it was a Baby Titan carry on.

          Trick is having CFC treat Indy guys like Dirt even though they are cearbears and act hard, then we approach indy guys promise if we win we will have a place for them if we lose we wont say shit….Spy made….10 secs flat……They hate GSF but dont want there huge investments ruined by blobs, if on other hand they mad the Blob equal to a certain numer of skilled guys, like a SPxKill decided by loSPxloSkill and made some number that was even like 50 25 mil sp and below drake pilots is equal to 250 50 mil Hac pilots and onlything that mattered was pilots FC`s etc, then All the Bears would come work for NCDOT as they would be treated like kings, warrior cultures revered blacksmiths…..But schmuck spearmen who were slaves didnt care who made there weapons…..

          October 12, 2012 at 4:17 am Reply
          1. I just do not know

            I seriously do not think that they would have put up such a defence for a Hel, was good fun blapping those BS in the first battle on the way and I thought christmas had come early when I landed on top of those carriers…

            October 12, 2012 at 8:03 am
          2. lol

            what defence? oh you actually mean the fact that there was very little defence

            October 13, 2012 at 5:24 pm
  7. I just do not know

    Well I was in the fleet and when a certain person said convo bomb them I did not do it, first of all we were going to kill them anyway, there was no way those carriers were going to survive once their cap was used up, the Goon drake fleet was well and truly countered by the firewall and the carriers were webbed to immobolisation. So for Razor to make out that they would not have died is absolute rubbish!!

    October 11, 2012 at 8:14 pm Reply
    1. I just do not know

      And I have been in quite a number of NCDOT fleets and that was the first time I saw NCDOT use that.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:06 am Reply
  8. Smiling Joe

    Too bad DDOS is out of game and doesn't fall in EULA, would love to see bans for people that intentionally down alliance sites during war times.

    October 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm Reply
    1. thats a joke

      People that engage in these types of activities deserve to have the FULL weight of the law in what ever country they are in come down on them!

      It might not be against the EULA but in many countries there are actual laws that cover it's use & abuse. I think some countries even see that sort of thing as cyber-terrorism of some sort & the punishment for being caught taking part in it can be very harsh.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:56 pm Reply
      1. Guest

        yes but if the person DDOS you isnt in the same local region/area/land/nation as you the odds of the request from your ISP to the ISP of the person who launches the attack actually leading to legal action is very very very small unless your system being attacked is a important corporation or the Forensics of the attack are easy to follow or the ISPS netgods are best buddies.

        in short…it probably wont happen maybe someone gets a warning from its isp at most..its the recevieing net that takes the hit aka your local isp…its their routers and net that takes the dump.

        October 12, 2012 at 2:20 am Reply
      2. BntyHunter

        I just hope it happens to CCP a bunch until they realise what kind of pain it is….Wait till a huge bully comes along like a MSFOT etc who decided to take over niche space games hell ven 5 years into he future or MWO has grown or Planetside has grown to space ships etc, then they will have wished there were harsher laws…Not slaps on the wrist.

        October 12, 2012 at 4:11 am Reply
        1. Really

          Interesting, as Goon mumble was DDOSd seconds before bridging into a fight with NCdot the other day, allowing NCdot to save a bunch of timers. Coincidence, I'm sure.

          October 12, 2012 at 6:40 am Reply
    2. Pale Blue Dot

      Yup, we've had alliance comms DDOS'ed in war before, and through the action of our oldest friends too.

      That's EVE for you :)

      October 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm Reply
  9. goebbels was better

    As the concept of convo spamming was developed and used by CFC as an exploit, I presume these types of mails have been sent to Fattani etc. previously?
    I flew logistics in this fight and the spam was to 1 carrier once. Everyone was busier than a flea in a dog show for the rest of the time, so it was a brief, 1 off, occourence.
    I'm prepared to donate a box of kleenex tissue's to the poor deprived pet pilots who lost their ships…
    The fight occoured in 2 stages – a tactical encounter with a maelstrom subcap fleet, then a fast burn to the carriers. The fact we had to travel several jumps after whelping the sub cap fleet, yet still found the carriers exposed and vulnerable, would suggest to me that some fairly high order errors were commited by razor FC's… just in my (humble) opinion!!
    Here's the whole engagement, carriers after 3 min, 30 sec – make up your own minds…..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2CwrP1yLBA

    enjoy!! (we did… %) )

    October 12, 2012 at 1:36 am Reply
    1. NullSecHoBo

      A couple of minutes were still left on the timer, so I imagine they were going to gamble holding reps until relief came and try to rep the csaa pos if the opportunity so arose. Not engaging NC. would have guaranteed the death of the tower. They lost that wager.

      Feel free to suggest what you would have done differently :)

      October 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm Reply
  10. Easy fix

    Auto reject on works for me.

    October 12, 2012 at 2:33 am Reply
  11. Who Dat!!

    Receiver of GMs email here!! What a load of whine..boohoo..please replace my ships cause I couldnt bother to turn on auto reject..boohoo.

    The Fattani and his Goolies on a pedestal complaining? These faggots DDOS TS servers, post real names and locations of in game adverseries on the net…

    Boohoo..suck it up ya sooks!!

    October 12, 2012 at 3:16 am Reply
    1. You Suck

      Grow up a bit and play the game as it is meant to be played, or do you suck too much and have to resort to what is essentially cheating?

      Scrub…

      October 12, 2012 at 9:11 am Reply
    2. lol

      wait? you have to cheat to win?

      you heard it here. these are the elite pvpers of eve

      October 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm Reply
  12. GoonTastic

    lol

    Love the way the we can use the GM’s against .DOT

    I find this type of thing disgusting and no self resprecting goon would ever do something like this – cheat !!

    October 12, 2012 at 3:42 am Reply
  13. asdf

    1) Set 1,000,000 isk (max) CSPA charge
    2) Fight in a capital against NC.
    3) ???
    4) Profit!

    October 12, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
    1. abc

      cause u get the isk, right ?

      October 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm Reply
  14. Love it when anyone from the goons side complains about XX exploit that gets used against them, gets a response. Despite the fact that goons are the most notorious people for doing said exploit to super pilots and FC's.

    Just found it kinda funny.

    October 12, 2012 at 5:36 am Reply
  15. NullSecHoBo

    "Luckily the EVE Client has several options which allow you to block all incoming conversation, all non-address book conversations, block corps, alliances and conversations from specific individuals. So the tools are there, but they are often overlooked, forgotten or simply unbeknownst to some players."

    Wrong. When convo spammed on an industrial scale, the client still tanks. It may not display those convo containers, but is still processing all those incoming packets. Ask any recipient of large scale convo spams, whether it was those RZR pilots, or the host of NC./Soco FCs before them.

    October 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
  16. anon

    'Elite PVP'

    October 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm Reply
  17. Cypherus

    Having been there done that ect, WV- engagement has been put under the microscope, FC flamed and tears dried, even so the following points were raised at the inquest.

    Pilots that lost carriers had them insured, got paid out and while not happy did not loose.

    Decision was made to explore the problem in depth with CCP on the grounds that this was a breach of terms of service, not the EULA.

    CCP's intial stance was fuck off, pressure applied and it got kicked upstairs under a DDoS heading.

    CCP obliged to act on those grounds as not only being and illegal action under UK laws but also a breah of Clause 16 of the terms of service so making it also a breach of the EULA.

    Hence the slapped arse email from CCP.

    Who did it when they did it and why is irrelevant CCP cannot afford to ignore it and so acted, no one is expecting them to reimburse any ships lost or reset any clock.

    Expecting this one to run for a while yet though/

    October 15, 2012 at 4:14 am Reply
  18. NullSecHoBo

    Hey -A-, how's the whole concept of pets working out for you?

    October 12, 2012 at 7:29 pm Reply
  19. lol

    rzr are pets? you sir are misinformed

    October 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm Reply

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