Pandemic Legion propaganda chief and CSM7 delegate brings us his (often controversial) views on trecent events.

Elise Randolph: Regional Update – The South – A Perfect Storm

After the SoCo offensive in Fountain petered, -A- tasked their more reliable ally to open a new front in Period Basis. Although there was no indication of an offensive HBC push into Catch, -A- still believed the fight was coming for them and wanted to cause as big a distraction as possible. ROL & Co were happy to oblige, of course, since it would mean they would finally be able to run their own fleets. The ROL & Co offensive into Tribe space in Period Basis was rather tepid; roaming gangs and some JB were reinforced. Tribe responded to the push with a counter-punch of their own and managed to kill all the SoCo Neo towers in Paragon Soul in the process. Good, medium-scale fights were had between the two groups and the ROL counter-offensive fell flat on its face while the frequency of the fights began to dwindle.

Tribe’s lust for fights wasn’t quite sated and, on a whim, they SBU’d the entrance to Paragon Soul. The ROL attitude quickly shifted, this failed offense was starting to look like it would cost them more than a few Neo moons. A few allies were called in for the defense and the small skirmishes became more significant for ROL & Co; Tribe found themselves outmatched. In SoCo, “pets” are left to die if they act with autonomy and the leadership is blamed when they fail. Victims of their own deluded culture, ROL & Co breathed a sigh of relief; they could not comprehend HBC helping out a smaller alliance like Tribe. HBC support did just that, however, and just enough aid was pumped into the Paragon Soul front to keep the good fights going. Not wanting to overwhelm ROL, the HBC sent Drake fleets into ROL Abaddons to milk the fun skirmishes for all involved; a Golden Age of ~goodfites~ was on the horizon. ROL & Co weren’t enjoying themselves nearly as much, though, and tried to push the envelope further with Dreads and Triage. When HBC countered with SCs, ROL were awestruck; RA, Nulli, Fail – none of the former SoCo entities ever received this type of aid. It was just unfathomable.

ROL had an emergency CEO meeting where they asked for -A- support. Since -A- got them into this mess and there was clearly no threat to Catch, surely the support would flow. ROL has been -A-‘s most devoted ally for quite some time, so support fleets were haphazardly formed in a sign of good faith. A handful of thirty man Tengu fleets were sent up to Paragon Soul for important timers, though more than half got “lost” on the way and arrived late. When -A- found their motivation, they always attempted to take a fight instead of defending the ROL objectives. Somehow HBC fleets were all able to converge from 4 regions away, and yet -A- with all their infrastructure were never able to make the trip in time. The closest -A- got was 2 jumps away from a ROL final timer. When the fighting started, -A- used ROL as a distraction and strategically advanced in the opposite direction to save their Tengu fleet. The final straw came Friday when a ROL CSAA was coming out of final RF. The system was jammed, the tower was timed to just after DT, and by all means the combined SoCo forces should have been able to save the build. -A- called a CTA but cited FC problems and the fleet never formed. The CSAA, reported as an Avatar or Hel depending on who you ask, was destroyed by HBC forces with significant ROL losses. An hour later -A- formed a 150 man Tengu fleet to go assist Solar forces in Detorid; a slap in ROL’s face.

-A- led SoCo fleets continued West to Solar’s aid while ROL assets were sieged. This distinct lack of support created a schism within ROL. While one group bought into the tried and true -A- rhetoric of retreating to Stain and waiting out the fights, another felt betrayed and slighted by -A-‘s abandonment. Not wanting to be another name on the wall of forgotten -A- allies, this ROL splinter group formulated a plan to evolve beyond mere serfdom. Whether it was a matter of respect for HBC culture, frustration from the “SoCo treatment”, a self preservation instinct, a good ‘ol fashion coup, or some combination thereof, this group approached the HBC and made their intentions clear: they were unsatisfied with the direction ROL was going and planned to leave. The HBC offered these new converts a home, if they wanted, and to sweeten the pot they would be given whatever space that was gained in Paragon Soul and, possibly, Feythabolis. At the same time another ROL corporation, acting independently of this rouge ROL spinoff, decided to swap allegiances to the HBC. The hitch? This group owned the sov of ROL’s headquarters in AZN.

Monday afternoon, -A- announced a SoCo regroup to GE- to respond to the Western front with Solar faster. HBC had a nasty habit of forming with -A- and keeping them camped in station, which -A- perceived as more than a mild inconvenience. As -A- formed a 170-man Tengu fleet to go aid Solar, HBC greeted them on the undock. The new Ink/Gypsy/Gorgon/RA bloc began their offensive push on Solar space with an impressive 400-man show of force. NCdot and Co pushed onto Solar’s back end with 80 supers and 300 support. And to top things off, the ROL splinter groups decided to act on their split and left ROL, dropping AZN sov at the same time. HBC were there to flip the station and drop a new TCU while simultaneously camping -A- into 4-07 and reinforcing that station, too. All of these seemingly unrelated actions were acted upon within a 20 minute window. A happy accident, no doubt, gently nudged into place by HBC’s most devious mind, Shadoo. Solar stood down, -A- were left trapped in station while it was SBU’d and reinforced, ROL’s home system changed hands, and the disenchanted ROL member corps left to form their own alliance. With fires flaring up on all sides, -A-‘s head FC Makalu came on to reassure ROL that they would always have a place in Stain, but added that -A- would not help them regain their lost home system. Five more ROL corps decided to leave.

While the fate of SoCo alliances is unclear, one thing is obvious: -A-‘s master-pet relationship can no longer function in the current Eve diplomatic arena. -A- have acknowledged this fact and have begun to shrewdly salvage the most from SoCo, cozying up to their strongest remaining ally while using the rest as chaff to protect their space. Will remaining -A- allies see the writing on the wall and flourish in greener pastures like Nulli, RA, Raiden, Initiative and Unclaimed, or will they join Cascade and ROL in the forgotten, defeated, husks? The coming months will see just how convincing a story -A- can weave. After all, if anyone can trick an ally to die for them it is -A-. What was once “God Forgives, -A- Does Not” has transformed to “Defend -A-. Obey -A-“.

Elise Randolph

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  1. a dude

    first, in before all sorts of tear fueled, anti-pl butt-hurtedness

    October 9, 2012 at 1:07 pm Reply
    1. Father Gabriel

      pl suxxxed in the past .. they suxxx now ..and im rather sure pl dirt will suxxx in future … they are as terrible as tester kiddies

      October 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm Reply
  2. Numbnutz
    October 9, 2012 at 1:15 pm Reply
  3. Val_V

    The truth is that -A- and SOCO never had the numbers to stop the CFC invasion since it started in Delve, but unlike their fair weather friends, -A- can keep fighting long after the war is lost. Enjoy your victory CFC duders…

    October 9, 2012 at 1:20 pm Reply
    1. cfcdude

      take the dotbros they dont have the numbers to fight cfc on pare but yet they still do so stop trying to find fucking excusdes for -A- sucking ass so bad

      October 9, 2012 at 1:38 pm Reply
      1. TESTy

        Big dif, Dotbros are small group of highly skileld people. -A- is a much larger group that includes new players. Furthermore, they use different tactics. Changing them takes time and practise.

        October 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
      2. Ranoenn

        Goons aren't quite the same thing as PL/Raiden/Init + padding though

        October 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm Reply
        1. some dude

          you're right, its even worse its goons+FCON +FA+RZR+TNT + more pets which in total is far more worse then the HBC and the dotbros are smaller then SoCo ( i believe ) oh and -A- is shit

          October 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm Reply
          1. waaa

            some dude that doesnt know shit about the game

            October 9, 2012 at 10:31 pm
      3. War Observer

        Not relay. When there was big push on Delve combined force of all goon pets outnumbered SoCo something like 3:1 in practically every fight and they were lead by competent PL FC. They had enough men to permanently camp SoCo staging system while grinding structures. For comparison Dotbros topically deal with only about 50% numeric advantage on goon pet side, and northern goon pets don’t have nearly the quality of FC that PL gives to southern goon pets. Northern goon pets never event attempter to permacapm NC. staging system because they simply don’t have the manpower up north for something like that.

        You will also note that after northern goon pets redeployed to attack NC. plans for outright invasion of Cath was abandoned because there was no manpower to do it. Not only that but initiative immediately turned to SoCo. Despite numeric disadvantage especially in US time Zone SoCo was attacking southern goon pets constantly for over 2 months, temporarily taking few systems but being unable to hold them because inability to take key system in prime US time zone. This offensive was finally broken with Introduction of navy apoc doctrine, and more importantly with Shadoos diplomatic manipulation of SoCo members and neighbours.

        October 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm Reply
        1. Thunderdome

          Sure, outnumbered when -A- refuses to form more than 50 people they'll be outnumbered. Granted, -A- can't beat HBC in HBC's timezone. But that is no excuse for harassing HBC, skirmishing, finding timezones where -A- can win. Let's not forget, this bleeding has been going on for months. In addition, as a Solar ally, -A- is tacitly helping CFC.

          By contrast, Dotbros are fighting a much larger enemy and fighting on two fronts, yet they are holding their own. Indeed they've been gaining power and more allies–the Dotbros of today are vastly different than the Dotbros of 2 months ago. This is because the Dotbros have earned the reputation of the "last bulwark against Goon dominance" in the North.

          Here's where they differ: -A- could and by all rights should have had that role in the South… but they screwed it up by not showing up, treating "allies" as inferiors, and generally being more concerned with losing ships than winning wars.

          October 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm Reply
    2. lulz

      The only -A- FC still *fighting* is Lee Chanka. Makalu checked out after the K-6 super whelp and just now poked his head out from under the blankets to find the HBC still standing in the closet doorway.

      October 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm Reply
      1. Zarian

        This is so true

        October 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm Reply
  4. another dude

    did i already mention -A- sucks ?
    ah well wait treat your allys like shit and keep whining docked, from now on things will only get worse for you guys and its your oooown fault.

    October 9, 2012 at 1:21 pm Reply
  5. cattys


    October 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm Reply
  6. Regardless of one's affiliations and loyalties, no one can deny that we're in some very interesting time in Eve. Had 6 months ago someone predicted the current climate in Eve, they would have been laughed at. But yet, here we are.

    I expect the usual anti-HBC sentiments in posts here, which is fine, but people really need to wake up and realize that -A- is the absolute worst bloc to ever be aligned with. They will rule you with an iron fist and take all from you that they can. And then when the chips are down, they'll let you die. They've repeatedly proven this by throwing one loyal "ally" after another under the bus in order to save their own sorry asses.

    October 9, 2012 at 1:26 pm Reply
    1. John Douche

      You still have not realized that the best alignment one can have is to oneself. So keep hating -A-, you really just hate yourself.

      October 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm Reply
      1. ncdotdotdot FAT

        hahhahahahahaah i am not hating -A- ,i just saying -A- are double crossing fags cuts , and i know this for long time ago , since i was in south (this was 1 year and half ago) , i wonder know what gone happen now with stain and coven there are a bunch of nice guys

        October 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm Reply
      2. This is a game. I don't hate anyone. My "enemies" are my #1 source of game content and I love them for it. -A- being themselves is generating some great content for me.

        But I do feel sorry for -A-'s "allies". I hold loyalty in high regard. I guess that puts me at odds with the -A- attitude of taking care of only themselves, abandoning loyal friends and throwing them to the lions when they most need -A-'s help.

        October 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm Reply
        1. Father Gabriel

          i feel sry for the biggest stupid blabb in the history of eve and hope, all allys of the blabb die in a big fire

          October 9, 2012 at 4:54 pm Reply
    2. War Observer

      I seen you been drinking much goon Kool Ade. Nice things about goon propaganda is that it atracts naïve idiots. How else would be theys be “selling” all those supercaps and collecting recruitment security deposits.

      Nothing novel here, southern goon pets were contacting for months now all alliances and corps in any way affiliated or just neighbouring SoCo offering heaven and earth. And there are always idiots dumb enough to buy “supercap” form a goon and pay security deposit on top.

      October 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm Reply

      Oh yeah…..this sounds so deliciously sexy….."rulling with iron fist" mmmm Against All Authorities …me likes.

      October 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm Reply
    4. Makalu_Zarya

      sometimes I wonder if people like you live in a cave with internet and actually have no clue what is going on in the outside world…I do realize that arguing with a propaganda saturated member of the shit-badger coalition is pretty pointless but posts like this one go to show just how completely clueless you are.

      October 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm Reply
    5. Delvian

      Apart from HBC and Goons, there are other blocs that you can align with other than -A- you know. Heck there's even single alliances/coalitions out there who have no alignment to any of these highly talked about 'blocs'.

      Sometimes I think that most ' large bloc aligned' players fixate on the other blocs so much that they can see nothing else, and they fuel their own negative fixations from news and propaganda sites without any real wish to understand what these blocs will do to the game in the long run.

      Who really gives a crap if -A- treat their pets/renters/hangers on, like garbage? It'll come back to bite them in the ass one day I'm sure. Anyway, I always thought EvE was a game where treating allies like shit then screwing them over was a key feature, I'd defo prefer backstabbing and drama in null rather than a happy bearland blue napfest. Imagine the Ad vids for EvE in a year when null is blue.

      May as well film an empty old dusty bookshelf for 10 minutes and call that 'endgame content'.

      October 10, 2012 at 1:48 am Reply
  7. Lisp

    Hbc uses cfc to gain initial advantage, Elise takes the chance to once again attempt to portray -A- as something it's not.
    Oh no, oh no -A-, the alliance you hate so so much it's funny, is dying, whatever will we do..
    Say hi to your fucked eyebrow mate shadoo and grath 'I'm super aggressive and mad' telkien for me. Lol

    October 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm Reply
    1. Why would they not try to portray -A- as something it's not? -A-'s been doing it to themselves for years.

      October 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm Reply
      1. John Douche

        It is an excuse, but for whom?

        October 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm Reply
  8. Kalissa

    I'm posting this just to clarify a few things I'm in one of the ex-ROL corps that left last night, the posting is pretty much accurate, except about the part about us approaching Test/PL. We were actually approached at the London meet by a PL guy who sat with us for about an hour explaining what they could do for us and what we needed to do for them in return, we were tempted but declined the offer, but after -a- fucked us over on the CSAA we took up the offer.

    October 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm Reply
    1. John Douche

      What is it you expect to get this time? You think you are going to get to keep your space?

      October 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm Reply
      1. War Observer

        So what if they do? Now they are just another goon pet, plenty of goon pets have space, ad least as long as goons find them useful.

        Idiots like those were feeding goons ISK and manpower for years now. Up there you have Elise outright admitting it was because of Shadoos manipulation -A- was unable to properly assist ROL jet this clueless turncoat blames- -A- and ROL leadership for it and willingly decides to become goon pet. He is to dumb to recognise he is being manipulated even when he is outright told so by person manipulating him.

        October 9, 2012 at 2:55 pm Reply
        1. lulz

          Apparently you failed reading comprehension in school. There was one fight where -A- was unable to assist due to PL camping the 4-07 station, the last one. There have been weeks and weeks where -A- promised to send ROL relief and aid fleets and they never showed up on time or when they did, they went off to do their own thing.

          October 9, 2012 at 3:00 pm Reply
  9. 3GGMAN

    A good read, the current EvE political situation is so fucked up at the moment. In 8yrs of playing I have never seen it this crazy before.

    October 9, 2012 at 1:35 pm Reply
  10. someother dude

    While the butt hurt tears about -A- are always welcome, "As New Eden Turns" happens to be going HBC's way. As with anything, schisms will creep up and in a few months or longer. Maybe HBC will split, fall in on it's own weight, whatever. -A-'s pathetic methods are just that. Evolve or die and -A- has decided to die. Shadoo's ways are the here and now. HBC enjoy while it lasts… as history shows, it's not for long. ROL, stupid is as stupid does eh? You always knew -A- would screw you and now you know when and why. Take Makalu up on his offer and wait for the next screw session. To HBC: Be careful what you want, you might just get it.

    October 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm Reply
  11. heh

    "After the SoCo offensive in Fountain petered,"

    My bullshit meter exploded after the first line.

    October 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm Reply
    1. someother dude

      You're right, the offensive never really existed in the first place.

      October 9, 2012 at 2:19 pm Reply
    2. hbc propaganda fails

      HBC propaganda is so blatantly obvious and wrong it's not even funny at this point. There's a difference being "shitting on your allies" and being unable to help even if you want because of the glaring numbers difference between HBC (2nd largest coalition in the game) and soco (which isn't really soco but now -A- and ROL, outnumbered by TEST itself).

      October 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm Reply
      1. ?.?

        Yeah a lot of bullshit (lol 'tribute offensive', whoever believes that is a joke), but -A- are the shittiest allies so the article redeems itself there in credibility

        October 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm Reply
        1. ?.?


          October 9, 2012 at 2:35 pm Reply
      2. TEST

        So what your saying is that your shit then because the dotbros prove on a daily basis they can when outnumbered.

        October 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm Reply
    3. Sinep

      The reason you don't know that Red Alliance, Hun reloaded, Raiden, Spies'r'us, etc. were asked to open another front in Fountain was because they were totally unsuccessful. Huns and Spies are still pretending that they are attacking TEST sov, but I am yet to see a sbu placed in Fountain.

      October 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm Reply
  12. Gecko

    -A- and Solar you guys are losing all your allies fast. Its sad to say but both will probably start bleeding corps shortly. What I would like to see is another alliance form which cuts all the fat in -A-, Solar, Cascade, Vera and ROL that's start to form up a new power block. The guys leading -A- and Solar both made one bad decision after another so its safe to say they should not be in those positions again. Its also really bad -A- helped solar who were taking advantage of the whole war while ROL actually helped.

    October 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm Reply
    1. -A- MAN

      We are not losing allies. We are only losing fair weather co-workers, who just look for opportunity to blame -A- for their own failure and switch sides. -A- attracted many allies after victory over RA + XIX powerbloc assisted by PL. Those who stay with us when times are not that easy will prove their value and willingness to be on side where PVP actually means a challenge. The others who just came to make ISK in space we controlled after war, can run to TEST. Their true profile will be recognized and they will not be trusted anymore when CFCHBC fucks their "newbros" over like they did with Black Mark, BDEAL, FORGE and others. And remember – CFCHBC fucks over their allies in time when there is no pressure, all that is -A- blamed for that we didnt provide help when we were under big pressure ourselves and had our own trouble. It is time to accept that there are some losses in this time, hold the line as long as possible and follow strategic objective – await the opportunity when CFCHBC will become vulnerable instead of running under Montolio command when things are not superpositive.

      October 9, 2012 at 11:49 pm Reply
    2. Guy

      Solar has always been fairly isolationist and has only recently been building up allies. They've been good about trying to help out their drone alliance blues, but they're struggling to compete with ncdot etc.

      After ink and co came into the south they were kinda pressed into bringing a- up to help. Not that I think a- will be much help, really, given their history.

      October 10, 2012 at 1:34 pm Reply
    3. MasterDebater

      EVE is not about maintaining a good relation to your allies. If you have isk, propaganda and good kb stats the allies will come running drooling to help you

      October 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm Reply
  13. ROL Grunt

    Soooooo, the war were so good for you that you just bribed your way to AZN for the fun, right ? Nothing about we, ROL, putting more efforts in defense and giving you more headache then you could handle, right ?

    And Santa Claus will bring all the good boys presents, right ?

    Good hunt.

    ROL Grunt

    October 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm Reply
    1. TEST

      What headache? those abbadon fleets fleet you kept welping to drakes?

      October 9, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
  14. HeartGoodFights

    Wonderful article, great writing, some of the best writing I've ever seen on this site. I really respect how you so elegantly piece a series of events together to tell the reader that your enemy is standing alone.

    However, for all the pieces of history you string together to tell your story, and all the events you decide are in your favor, there still remains one thing cannot discredit: Your Enemy is Still Standing.

    You have amassed all your armies, thrown everything you can at -A- and they are still standing.

    From my point of view, seeing how proud you are, given your above stated list of achievements, it must enrage you so much that -A- stands despite your efforts if you have to revert to morale attacking tactics such as this article.

    October 9, 2012 at 2:48 pm Reply
    1. someother dude

      They are running… Running away from their allies and running away from their adversaries. Technically I guess one must stand to flee…

      "For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

      October 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
    2. Val_V

      -A- King stands alone.

      October 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm Reply
      1. blurp

        Against All Allies

        October 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm Reply
        1. Father Gabriel

          test and its mega zergeling blobb is not our allies stupid

          October 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm Reply
    3. old timer

      omg lol … sure -A- is still standing : they have let their allies die alone , and now they run away … to " help" solar … woaaa lol !

      October 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm Reply
      1. Father Gabriel

        omg blobber blobbs, keep on blobbing till your blabb explodes, and if the blabb dies guess who will knock on your door blobb timer?

        October 9, 2012 at 4:59 pm Reply
    4. -TEST- Grunt

      -A- are NOT standing.

      The enemy is at their gates. And they are redeploying away from the angry Honeybadger that stands there, arms up in the air, not giving a fuck as it goes in and takes what it wants.

      No. -A- is going to attempt to beat down INKSERIOUS With Solar support. When half of their allied alliance RED.Overlord just defected to the HBC.

      I mean, objectively, how can anyone say this is anything but -A- getting drilled in all three holes?

      October 9, 2012 at 4:16 pm Reply
      1. John Douche

        "-A- are NOT standing."

        Uh-oh, caps…

        Go easy on your keyboard, honeybadger! You may not give a fuck but you'll still need it.

        October 9, 2012 at 4:57 pm Reply
        1. Jelly

          Even if I hated HBC and loved -A-, this is still a shitty comment. It doesn't address any of the concerns of the previous post and adds nothing to the conversation. The people who upvoted this should be ashamed.

          October 9, 2012 at 11:06 pm Reply
          1. John Douche

            If you want someone to address the concerns of "-TEST- Grunt" then ask at your local prison and demand to speak to a paedophile. Only they will speak his language if anyone. I cannot help him.

            October 10, 2012 at 12:42 am
    5. fail

      sorry -A- but you also fail at propaganda

      October 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm Reply
  15. SgtSimons

    this was some great propaganda. Im not a fan of how -A- treats their friends but lets be honest, their friends are shit. Even if -A- loses all their friends and all their space they will keep fighting because they don't care so much about the space they care about the kills. -A-s friends care about their space so that is a major reason why they don't get along.

    October 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm Reply
    1. someother dude

      Shit attracts shit you're saying. Agreed. Lets hope -A- continues to keep their fail fight awesomesauce. What is better than consistent fail and tragedy to make a great story? Nothing in Eve that I know of….

      October 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm Reply
      1. PandemicHeathen

        Well said SgtSimmons!

        October 9, 2012 at 3:57 pm Reply
      2. AAAAAAAAAh

        Ohhh…these stories and legends about -A- already make me moist…keep it up TEST, be AFRAID :)

        October 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm Reply
      3. Father Gabriel

        where do you see fail fights? Blabber means not to fight, to blue everyone who is at 3 not on a tree is stupid. to build up the biggest blabb in the history of eve is a damn shame and even more its a shame, that so much of eve guys are ok to be pets of testers tards . I look forward to see you guys collapse and die because of stupidness … cheers you blubbish testers and even worse testers pets…

        October 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm Reply
  16. NullsecPilot

    >After the SoCo offensive in fountain petered.

    To the people saying that is bullshit. It is. The SoCo offensive was absolutely crushed. Now all you see there is the occasional HUN roaming gang, and a covert-fit Loki with a Fleet Stabber.

    Quit whining just because we have more pilots than you.

    October 9, 2012 at 3:10 pm Reply
  17. Goon4lyf

    As much as I hate them, I sincerely doubt -A- are going to roll over and die. For heaven sake they didn't in the face of the DRF , a coalition 10x the mad, sov grinding, blobbing, whores the HBC are.

    Words of advice to TEST:

    Don't forget about -A- when you deploy away from the SE.

    October 9, 2012 at 3:20 pm Reply
  18. VooDoo

    With all the propaganda bs the Test monkeys spew out, the never ending childish smack talk in local and constant chest beating by the massive hoard of scrubs they have amassed. It's a shame some sort of 1 day tournament can't be set up to put an end to all the crap.
    Test vs. -A-
    250 on each team ***NOTE*** Test ONLY, no PL hand holding, no PL FC's Just TEST
    If Test wins, they can have Catch and I'll tattoo 'Test Rules" on my ass
    If -A- wins …..well they have nothing we want, I'll think of something later

    October 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm Reply
    1. Goon4lyf

      How about 49-U6U? You've gotten your asses kicked enough in that system, perhaps whatever rape spirit lives there may empower -A- to now suck dick at anything other than living in the same regions for years.

      October 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm Reply
    2. someother dude

      Insulting to think TEST is stupid enough to lift up -A- to their level? -A-'s blown it with bad leadership, bad decisions and non-existent diplomacy skillz over and over and over. So -A- sends their own monkeys (that means you) out to fail more with an appeal to ego for a bogus 1 day tournament? Just run back to Feythabolis, lick your wounds and wait for the next bad -A- decision to be made. Should be any minute now.

      October 9, 2012 at 3:32 pm Reply
      1. pfft

        Just say "no i am afraid" and move on

        October 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm Reply
        1. someother dude

          So afraid, -A- runs away…. moar tears! Yummy!

          October 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm Reply
    3. Father Gabriel

      , the never ending childish smack talk in local <- never ever hear them again .. just make block ally test .. and there will be silence in local.
      ccp is supporting testers .. they hope, that kiddies like testers will enter the game thats why the skillpointnerf comes to us, means that a noobish tester or dust player can make almost the same damage and support with a t1 ship like an old pilot in a t2 or t3 ship.

      ccp prepares to make the whole game test and goon, they dream of a new culture of .. customers … and cut the skills and meaning of the older players … welcome in the dust gewn /testers aerea …

      October 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm Reply
  19. lol so lol

    -A- are collapsing before there even SBUed this sounds so familiar

    October 9, 2012 at 3:43 pm Reply

      how many years will it take the new zerg blobbing scrubs to realise that -A- is a PVP alliance

      That is:

      Player Versus Player.

      That means:

      Not attached to sov


      not happy to shoot structures.

      enjoy your grind though, you guys really seem to fucking enjoy it LOL

      October 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm Reply
      1. Ely

        How many times did -a- incap the 5v- jump bridge again ?

        October 9, 2012 at 8:02 pm Reply
        1. ERMAHGERD

          in order to GET FIGHTS.

          yall shoot structures and outnumber 3:1 in the name of NOT GETTING fights.

          GGto you sir

          October 10, 2012 at 3:27 am Reply
      2. Lord's Servant

        Incorrect. NCdot and their allies are PVP alliances. -A- is a km whore, only fight fights they are guaranteed to win, and cry about it when they are exposed as being complete and utter useless bads.

        NCdot is fighting the largest collection of organized manpower and war materiel in the game seen yet – and almost holding their own. They kill supers repeatedly, kill CSAAs, repeatedly destroy hostile fleets, and are generally having a blast.

        -A- stays docked up nearly constantly, cries and smacks nonstop, and haven't killed a single HBC super since the war started(while whelping ~15 of their own). They are also losing allies, sov, members, and morale at a frankly absurd attrition rate.

        -A- is no PVP alliance, they are merely the worn-out husk of what used to be a PVP alliance back when it was run by Evil Thug. What's left are carebears, ex-NC, and inactives.

        Good luck in Stain – I hope you manage to find your balls and start giving fights from there.


        October 9, 2012 at 8:32 pm Reply
        1. ERMAHGERD

          LS you're still a douche bag, you have no idea about -A-, I have never seen you down here in 5 years so go suck some more p nes you homo.

          you summed up your fucking stupidity when you said -A- is no pvp alliance… go figure. we live for pvp, we do everything for pvp. what do you expect us to do when test brings every man and his dog, blues up everyone in the name of not getting a fight and ~strategically~ winning? tell how you would have done this any better you dumb nigger

          October 10, 2012 at 3:29 am Reply
        2. ERMAHGERD



          HOW FAR YOU'VE SUNK YOU DICK MONKEY, that's sad as dude!

          October 10, 2012 at 3:38 am Reply
        3. BntyHunter

          LOrds you bastard TM and us ex CH miss you…..

          You are right, anyways the true PVPers will join the true PVP groups like NCDOT, BL,NS hell NS is not the same alliance who fought in Delve if they fought now it would take 10x as long to kick em out and RA would have gotten stomped……NS aint nuttin to fuck with now….S2N Bros, I salute you.

          VIVA LA DOT

          Guys all over eve those who vakue respect and dignity come north and help fight a 2 sided front war we are in a dead heat not murdering them but with a few more NS types they are gonners since Evoke is forced to defend……We simply need a few good men, Also we are so racially friendly my Corp is half romanian…..God guys forget national pride and get into the ALli who suits you….IF YOU ARE TRULY PVP DO WHAT WE DO UNDOCK AND FIGHT 4-5:1 win lose [mostly win [ :)

          October 10, 2012 at 5:24 am Reply
    2. Father Gabriel

      kiddie … your brain is not collapsing, cause you dont have one

      October 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm Reply
  20. Suzume

    I'm actually looking forward, at this point to the blobbers taking everything. Then they'll turn on eachother like starving pigs.

    Unfortunately (for them) some of the first to fight are going to find their foes not many regions away but right in the phone booth with them.

    October 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      Once NULL is a blue NAPfest they'll turn thier eyes to HI or WH space…
      WH's too tuff so the invasion of HI will once again begin with a gankfest…
      expect the CSM to cry foul & Crimewatch to be watered down by Goon Supported DEVs next as the Spacerich get space richer & the TECH bottle neck solution gets once again kicked to another expansion while CCP throws anotherbone to NULL ALLIANCES

      October 9, 2012 at 4:16 pm Reply
      1. John Douche

        It is not a NAPFfest – it is a Blues Festival in the South with -A- rocking on.

        More slowly and quietly, but still …

        October 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm Reply
    2. Father Gabriel

      yap he is a tester zergling

      October 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm Reply
    3. hbc non test

      Thats the plan. When we win eve it will be HBC VS CFC like RvB in nullsec and its going to be awesome. Try and stop us please :)

      October 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm Reply
      1. John Douche

        It is going to be a cloud of Drakes with everyone pushing F1 and TiDi leaving enough time to turn local chat into an unreadable blur of spasms, when suddenly four CCP employees, dressed in black, appear in Apocalypses and proclaim "the end of New Eden has come". The plug in EVE Online gets pulled, the curtain falls.. The End.

        October 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm Reply
  21. -A- grunt

    I knew this was going to happen. Luckily my shits been in Stain for weeks. To be fair ROL are shitty Allies anyways. Maybe well bunker up with Solar up north instead

    October 9, 2012 at 4:14 pm Reply
    1. pfft

      -a- grunt my butt, you sound like a test noob

      October 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm Reply
  22. suspect bystander

    time booked off work april 2013 for the reconquest of catch

    October 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm Reply
  23. Makalu_Zarya

    my bullshitto-meter exceeded all possible limits with this article…awesome stuff

    October 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm Reply
  24. Wiu Ming

    "…another ROL corporation, acting independently of this rouge [sic] ROL spinoff…"

    a clever typo, mais non?

    October 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm Reply
  25. *sigh*

    Its sad because I do not like Test/CFC/HBC, but -A- seems to be shit allies. Also, ROL fence jumping is pretty sad too, even if you are upset with -A-. *sigh* 0.0 will be all blue very soon it seems.

    October 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm Reply
  26. Ex-SOCO

    Oh Maka you have no one but yourself to blame. You treat your allies like disposable diapers and wander why you find yourself alone in a room crying yourself to sleep remembering the good old days. I feel for my former bros but for you it kind of gives me a chubby to see you fail so greatly. Have you given the order for an escort fleet for your precious freightor from GE- to LGK yet?

    October 9, 2012 at 6:31 pm Reply
    1. Father Gabriel

      blablalba … You treat your allies like ….bla bla bla .. stupid shit wont be better even if you repead it like testies always do in local 1000 times

      October 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm Reply
  27. Marcus_McTavish

    Some Diplomatic fuck-ups:
    -Nulli Secunda was essentially abandoned
    -Red Alliance was given some sov in Omist after having to move from Detorid to Querious, then losing Querious.
    -Vera Cruz was given some sov in Detorid after D/Q/PB fell.
    -HBC is able to attract former SoCo alliances such as The Initiative, Raiden and other alliances like TJA.
    -Solar Fleet starts "working" with CFC to attack DOTbro sov and tech
    -Red Alliance has enough with SoCo and moves in with INK/WHYSO/Nulli
    -Cascade Iminent collapses, not really a diplo mess up, but i feel like someone should have been able to step up, or form a new alliance.
    -AAA doesnt move significant assets in to assist RED Overlord when they are attacked
    -ROL is left in the wake of a dual HBC attack, losses 2 CSAA
    -Many ROL Corps splinter off.

    I'm not saying AAA is bad, but there are things they could have done, that would lead to a different situation right now.
    -Solar could have not started "helping" CFC
    -AAA could have treated and defended allies better

    Everyone is so quick to call HBC, i mean CFC because they are inseparable?, shit and praise AAA. But have you wondered why so many alliances have either joined with the HBC or just left the front all-together? Surely its not merely coincidence, is it?

    You dont see DOTbros pitching a fit and losing allies like SoCo is, do you?

    October 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
    1. John Douche

      "I'm not saying AAA is bad, but there are things they could have done, that would lead to a different situation right now."

      Nonsense. They are doing all right.

      If an ally cannot fight alone sometimes then they are useless. -A- now stands more or less alone and do you see them asking for help? No. So take a good look at them now.

      And do take a look at PL, too, for a comparison. They help so well that they block off -A- and so TEST can go blobbing ROL, and now switch ROL's sov for them to avoid all fighting! Is this the kind of ally you are looking for when you wish for a different situation?

      Think about what you want of EVE. What different situation are you looking for? Do you want to stand on your own feet and together with your allies? Or could it be you are looking to win EVE, to fulfil a once-in-a-lifetime achievement like creating the biggest alliance, watching it collapse and then maybe go on to play some other game?

      October 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm Reply
      1. Unknown

        "Or could it be you are looking to win EVE, to fulfil a once-in-a-lifetime achievement like creating the biggest alliance, watching it collapse and then maybe go on to play some other game?"

        I vote that one. Sounds like more fun.

        October 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm Reply
        1. John Douche

          So your choice is to fail and to leave.

          Why not choose the other, which is a persistent and fun play-style, allowing you to play EVE for years?

          October 10, 2012 at 12:11 am Reply
    2. War Observer

      It is called positive feedback loop. Winning side attracts more suck-ups wanting to profit from allying to the winning side, then winning side gets even bigger blob and can attract even more suck-ups until entire thing snowballs.

      It started with Goon/FA successful defence of VFK form PL/WN/NC. attack, that attracted more ass kissers like SMA, Razor… and consolidated loyalty of of extant goon pets. Then come invasion of Venal and few months latter victory over Raiden. in Tenal. Then even more competent entities attempted to become goon pates, like Ewoks/Ev0ke, NC. and PL. Problem for some of them was rank and file hated the idea of being goon pets. So Vinc's attempts to turn NC. in to a goon pet alliance have failed because NC. members could not helped themselves when they had opportunity to shoot goons. Mitani comments on Vince's inability to control members of its alliance being the reason for war is telling enough of what was going on.

      Snowball become even bigger after blob rolled over Delve and even more people jumped to bandwagon. Why would Initative and Raiden. fight for for their own space when they can get the same without structure grinding in exchange of taking orders form likes of Montolio? Easy way out is becoming a pet, and many people are taking it.

      Now there is much criticism of -A-, some of it legitimate , much of it outright retarded. We heard crap like they demand phone numbers form renters, they don’t allow their allies to form independent fleets and so on. Clearly fabrications indicative only of raving propaganda going on by goon and pets and intelligence of of those that believe it. Legitimate criticism is they indeed are slow to react to deploy good numbers and in time to assist their allies, those CTA should be bigger and more timely.

      However this is irrelevant for the situation at hand. Things like that are marginal compared what goon and goon pets do to each another in terms of bad faith and backstabbing, names like BDEAL, Wrecking Shots , Black Mark are only tip of the iceberg. Nobody that has any knowledge in EVE history can say that goon and pets are more trust-wordy then -A-, but that does not mater, because goon and pets are wining, and potential rewords of for being in “good favour” often blinds alliance leader that lack intelligence and/or spine.

      What is the way out? Other then becoming another goon pet? Forget about sov. Leave it to whatever dreg pets goons install and then farm the shit out of them. The sooner the better -A-, ROL and whatever allies they have remaining do that the better. Fun part will be when southern goon pets redeploy north to blob the shit out of DOTbros and teach them some humility. 😛 I kid, I don't really want dot bros to be rolled over by goons, but that will happen once -A- is forced out of sov space and southern goon pets are free to redeploy.

      October 9, 2012 at 9:50 pm Reply
  28. lookingforward

    Oh joy what options do we have… lets see…

    On one hand we have
    – Join -A- and go it alone in Stain
    – Join HBC and be under the biggest Goon propganda Mitanni dick sucking machine ever known

    WOW… two great options…. NOT

    October 9, 2012 at 8:09 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      option 3: join a dotbro's alliance

      October 10, 2012 at 2:44 am Reply
      1. Bad poster

        IF you have the requirements to get in.

        October 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm Reply
  29. 0.0pilot

    Lots of butthurt -a- pilots up in this.

    October 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm Reply
    1. John Douche

      Before you could tell the difference between being "butthurt" and losing an ally would you first need to have an ally and stop being butthurt yourself.

      October 9, 2012 at 8:58 pm Reply
  30. sadleric

    Jesus Saves. -A- Does Not.

    October 9, 2012 at 10:00 pm Reply
  31. LoL

    I for one welcome our Goon Overlords!

    October 9, 2012 at 11:23 pm Reply
  32. BntyHunter

    Id -A- did send help to SOLAR rather than, your brothers who have defended you 10 feold you are retards and now have become very single ALlies enemy in game.

    NCDOT will not like you and you have killed future there.
    ROL….Well theres nothing to say you abandoned them.
    HBC all hate you, and now your "Allies" realize what it means to be an ally…..Nothing.

    Im not saying its true please correct me im uninformed but if it is true which it seems to me like it has alot of rig of truth to it, you are acting like Kings with others fghting your wars, just like GSF, They do 10% of the fighting and claim 100% victory and when they lose, it was "FC problems"….LOL, for god sakes why wertn you there a day before camped in there system.

    Its like if Evoke was in seriou trouble in a regio nwe asked them to fight in then we slowboated over to late an said "Sorry had FC issues and fought a [CLEAR BAIT FLEET] on the way"

    Its appalling if its true, I wouldnt be suprised seeing 30-40% of ALlies coming north with us over next few weeks, tanother 20% swapping sides and you never being able to take bac 1:10th of what you were, and trust me once SC Scater and they scatter fast, they never come back, everyone wants SC`s and pilots and the few you have who were old Guard AAA must be disgusted in alot of ways and arent gonna stick around this 3 month hybernation then retake Catch……More liely they will join fun fighing forces like NCDOT/Gypsy and actually fight important shit.

    If im wrong please explain it to me, but usually Elise while blowing up the truth or guessing why someone did it reports the truth, he just speculates hwy to much. This doesnt seems like it matterswhy.

    October 10, 2012 at 5:10 am Reply
  33. BntyHunter

    Also WTF did SOLAR DO FOR U AAA? Is it jut you think in 3 months they ill beat nCDOT and be ready to help? Or that they and GSF will be BFF? Think about it GSF likes Test alot more, They will never allow SOLAR to be allied with AAA unles you are official Pets to humiliate you…….

    Idiots should have been fighting SOLAR with GYPSY and RA and NCDOT and actually could have won.

    October 10, 2012 at 5:15 am Reply
  34. BntyHunter

    For the love of god ROL dont join enemeies that makes you look really pathetic come north fight this blob, and gain the most important hing in EVE RESPECT

    October 10, 2012 at 5:17 am Reply
  35. haHAAAA

    -A-… ur 3000 man alliance plus pets cant do shit without allies…. ur losing the important wars while u got a hard on for solar…. Glad im in HBC… cuz ur alliance isn't gunna last much longer without pilots

    October 10, 2012 at 6:08 am Reply
  36. LOLite

    "-A-’s master-pet relationship can no longer function in the current Eve diplomatic arena"

    TEST and pets – "Why fight if you can blue all?"

    October 10, 2012 at 10:17 am Reply
  37. LGND

    Lol omg the biggest piece of shit propaganda ever.
    1. ROL has been a dead husk for years now. A several thousand man alliance hasn't been able to bring more than 100 men to any offensive in years.
    2. Only reason they hadn't died yet is because their space is so far away nobody's bothered to take it from them.
    3. -A- finally, after far too long, realized how shit ROL was and finally let them die.
    4. I cant wait for the day when PL (this so called pvp alliance) looks around and realizes all of eve is blue and they have nobody left to shoot. And the only place to go pvp is in drone regions and Angel space.

    October 10, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
  38. zapo

    I'm sorry but this stuff, is not really fact.. Fact, is that, HBC is doing just what CFC are from the same text book which is to not give good fites, one way or another its obviously clear,… and going around chest beating with a load of rubbish of this clearly, shows that Eve is utterly in dire straits atm with a woeful imbalance in numbers!! clearly we want the entire map to be blue to each other???

    I think you should drop the soco term, because they arent all blue to each other, rarely are able to coordinate, and are no match for a really boring set of coalitions..

    October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am Reply
  39. guest

    Catch is a swamp … you can conquer it only for as long as you are willing to babysit the worthless renters that would want that space.

    October 12, 2012 at 1:08 am Reply
  40. guest

    PL has past its peak. As soon as they hook up with the blob, their edge has faded. Even with the same pilots, the magic is lost now that they have sold out to the easy life.

    October 12, 2012 at 1:11 am Reply
    1. guest

      Rookas and Kings could welp them now

      October 12, 2012 at 1:12 am Reply
  41. BntyHunter

    Elise you were seriously my favorite, I voted for you and pushe everyone I knew to get you in saying I knew how you were in CH and knew you would give Skilled pilots the Edge we need to fight the numbers…..What have you done?

    Please if you read this convo me, I hgte back fro mArmy for a Year and hear while im ther you got in and bam im like this shit is gnna get done right…….THEN PL…P FUCKING L join Test and let htem basically take you over in everything but military, SC`s get nerfed Blobs are bigger than ever, and us few remaining guys like DOTBROS who reall yare fighting the tide like you use to are alone……We voted for you to rep us in CSM……I want to know what haveyou done? I have heard you speak besides mistress there was no one else I loved or would have followed more……What happened? Outnumbering enemies 5:1 in Napocs and 300 man support drake fleets?

    You promised making Eve less dependant on numbers….Yo uwere one of the ones who made me come up with my Charging people to use outside ALLI JB`s even with blue[ IE if not in smae alli JB uses 5x fuel etc to make blobs not be able to move so fast. Titans now are shit without Numbers HUGE NUMBERS….SC`s are basically half what they were…..Thy usedto Gank shit now they are just Pos killers….WTF happened to you? Did you get Iceland rockstar syndrome where you to are going to work for CCP and not rocking the boat?

    Really all your promiises for small wars? What have you personally done?

    October 12, 2012 at 4:56 am Reply

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