Vince Draken, current NCDOT leader just posted this update on the Tribute war, which paints a stark contracting picture from the one The Mitanis posted. Read and compare:


We find our selves in a very strange position, one where the FOEs dictator, The Mittani, recently within the last day or so released his always very interesting but geek like read ~War Update~

He goes on to try and discredit our own FCs and pass all the credit to an allied FC! I suppose i could make a similar claim here today: Without the 15 to 20 alliances propping up Goonswarm’s military they would in fact be non-existent. Their competence as an alliance is far less than say Razor or maybe even FCON, which as you may have noticed are the ones that actually bring what we call “numbers” to the fleets of the CFC, not Goonswarm.

Anyway enough of that bullshit, it’s not how we do things here!


At the beginning of this war they started with our Venal holdings and then swapped over to our tech within range of QPO, most of which you already know, and then pushed their way through the ‘renter pocket’ claiming some sov and tech along the way. They then took the first milestone of their campaign in my opinion, UMI.

After taking UMI, they continued their push south west of UMI and continued to take more tech and sov within range of UMI up to as far as H-W.

This map will show you what the CFC coalition has taken over that past 8-9 weeks; this doesn’t obviously include tech moons just sov.


After our FOE took the UMI system it was clear from a strategic point of view that H-W, the “core” system of Tribute, was no longer worth using as a staging point for reasons such as:

1) Direct titan bridge range from UMI.
2) People who drive spaceships pissed or stoned (Vamps) may do dumb shit
3) CFC’s ability to bridge into system before we have undocked so they could achieve their strategic objectives unchallenged.

So we looked at a few choices:-

1) Low sec.
2) NPC Pureblind or NPC Venal
3) Drop back to Vale.
4) Fuck this shit and go farm someone else while they grind!

We obviously as SPARTANS chose (3), so we moved to JZV in Vale and then a week or so later to G5ED. Reasons were simple – everyone always just runs away from this group of dudes it makes their heads big they get all fuzzy and warm inside haha. Well it was here we decided fuck this shit, time to power up the AU TZ that we have worked so hard to build over the last two years.

This was the turning point I don’t think anyone expected, both us and the FOE. We have been able to pretty much pause MOST of the sov grinding once we land at a mid-week timer. There has been some blood I think in last week or so, as two stations fell – out of a possible 30 ~Strategic Timers~ (as CFC would call them).

The fights are on-going – we fight when it suits us and only then – rest of the time we allow them to grind the ever so awesome sov system and continue to also defend on another front started by Solar in Geminate.

Some might say we are losing, some might say we are winning, I say we have the perfect situation for the game we play. The hostiles are obviously hurting – from grumbles to their friends on the South of the map, to internally bitching about fleets forming late or not at all, or even FCs making excuses in CFCs ever so “GREAT” AU TZ of how the timers were posted wrong – yet it’s all just a front. As we mentioned at the start of this war, our FOE does not only fight their wars ingame but also on public forums, which they of course moderate – The Mittani . com is another shining example of blatant moderation, posts are made which maybe sometimes not liked and they are promptly erased from public view and/or posters are banned! Typical one might say of a EVE nerd trying to make the big time. o7

So again my brothers we will stick at this “Meatgrinder” – the damage control term that our FOE uses in a war when they are not performing as great as the EVE community expected them too. We will not be broken. As we knew from the start when we decisively made the decision to say FUCK OTEC – our space and moons might be taken, however, we are relentless.

The overall conclusion of the Tribute War!

– Vince Draken

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  1. Mach

    I prefer a steady rate of sov flipping rather than a hit-or-miss kind of thing that results in an humiliating defeat. But maybe that's just me.

    September 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm Reply
    1. I've been in many SOV wars for last 6 years and I can say on my own expirience that half of the region in 2 months is more then slow :)

      September 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm Reply
  2. Akrasjel Lanate

    Maby some CFC pets or goons are just bored of this war.

    September 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm Reply
    1. bhahahahahahahaha


      September 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm Reply
  3. Confirming that is moderated. Sick of watching my comments deleted.

    NCdot BEST DOT!

    September 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm Reply
    1. Akrasjel Lanate

      Confirming that is moderated. Heard it has to do something with so called "shitposts" whatever that means.

      September 29, 2012 at 8:47 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        Anything negative against Goons that is credible is a "shitpost"

        September 29, 2012 at 8:53 pm Reply
        1. Confirming this, same thing goes on if you aren't praising the GSF on – we'll put a fix into that soon(tm)

          September 29, 2012 at 9:20 pm Reply
          1. Arthello

            Seriously riverini you should get rid of those auto-scripts that delete people's posts on certain trigger words. It's not like anyone doesn't know about "the other site" by now.

            October 1, 2012 at 12:03 am
          2. The thing is the day that site came out some douchebag spammed this site like a hundred time with that link (or a variation of it), so i had it taken on autodelete.

            October 1, 2012 at 4:48 am
          3. Jeremiah

            I wish you had made that information public sooner. I thought you were being a douche for not letting people put it on here. At least now I know there is a good reason.

            October 1, 2012 at 5:00 am
        2. Canaris

          Sounds like most threads on Kugu

          September 29, 2012 at 9:21 pm Reply
      2. The Truth

        I too got IP banned on the Goon Propaganda site for trolling – Somewhat hypocritical for the self proclaimed best trollers in Eve.

        September 29, 2012 at 11:30 pm Reply
    2. Gam_Samgee

      Because clearly, comments are never moderated or deleted on this site

      September 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm Reply
      1. Free Speaking CUNT

        Actually, cuntface, you are fucking wrong there, I have sperged my mind many a time here, River doesn't even delete the couple of comments directed at him.. I enjoy reading, but somehow got banned.. And I don't even remember what for… Gutless cunts over there.
        River is not a heavy handed mod by any stretch of the imagination. You are a cunt and a liar, GTFO.

        September 29, 2012 at 9:49 pm Reply
        1. Guest

          Actually, when I dared to criticize this site's view about some silly video intellectual property debate, my work IP got banned. Just because it didn't please riverini's views (I voted the man!).

          I still like Evenews24, I like riv, but man, riverini deletes posts and bans people left and right exactly as he pleases.

          September 29, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
          1. hturt

            I cant write properly if i have to use a psyuedo for another site that i mentioned once which got my entire post deleted so i had to retype it AGAIN

            September 29, 2012 at 11:24 pm
          2. Humble_miner

            Use Tor Browser only for the very bad stuff, not only objectionable, derogatory and blasphemous.

            September 29, 2012 at 11:42 pm
        2. GreenKB

          Only taking into account the number of profanities you managed to get into one post I can't say I'm particularly surprised you were banned. And it's all good with me so I don't have to read crap like this on the other news site.

          September 30, 2012 at 5:40 pm Reply
          1. CUNTY

            My name is CUNTY you insipid, thin skinned mongoloid. Seems fucking goons and co can fucking swear like sailors and it's fine, but when someone speaks the fucking normal fucking way they fucking speak, but doesn't suck their cocks, the banhammer comes out. Not my cunting fault I get fucking annoyed by the world full of retards and fuck-knuckles like your good self and let fly with the verbiage. Anyways, this is fucking eve cunt! Grow a fucking backbone, use it to go fuck yourself, while you are at it, go fuck your bootlaces as well, there's been a CUNT in em all day!! Closest you'll get!!! BWAHAHAHAA!! 😀

            September 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm
          2. Pen|s

            Emo rage on the interwebz about Microsoft Office Online, priceless. Profanity is the hallmark of the ignorant, troll.

            September 30, 2012 at 11:56 pm
      2. BntyHunter

        Pretty simple dont say the 1 word thats banned and it doesnt get deleted, at Mittens [Dont say his real name since they DDOS`d spamming his sites name once more pure gentlemen.] It wont Site t you say anything against CFC its 'Delete your comments' …..Not an auto delete.

        God I still love that Elo is our savior, How did DOOM stay together all these years without him :)

        Besides Welping one SC Fleet like 3 years ago Twinkey`s career is as good as any in the game as much as he angers me sometimes he knows his shit.

        October 1, 2012 at 6:45 am Reply
  4. Lookingforward

    I don't understand why you would even bother going to a goon run website where their own propaganda is at its highest ?? Anyways, this shows CFC is not invincible and that there are infact some entities out there that can cause hell for them. Maybe if other alliances stop bitch slapping each other and form together than things might be made even more painful to them. It wouldn't surprise me if the main reason behind CFC slowing down in the Tribute war is due to the fact that schools no longer out for summer…

    September 29, 2012 at 8:46 pm Reply
    1. tigger

      what's the difference to EN24 ?

      September 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm Reply
      1. anonymous

        The only comments that are deleted are ones with his name in it. Other then that everything is fair game compared to his site where anything they don't agree with that is credible is deleted.

        September 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          It is an autodelete btw and I have had it happen to myself when I am not paying attention and put it in my post which I don't agree with but this isn't my site so that's how it is.

          September 29, 2012 at 9:11 pm Reply
      2. Truth

        EN24 although baised towards Dotbros in some ways,its a case where thats the actual fact of the matter,Dotbros are doing incredibly,if they were not wouldn't here jack shit about the war on here.
        Thats why cfc propaganda is so hularious because 10% of it is true,where as the propaganda here in regards to Dotrbos is 90% true. May look like chest beating,its not its just actions that Dotbros have taken.
        Dotbros through actions have lead to inspiration through groups of people that didn't even like them before.
        CFC thought this would all be over in weeks,the spartans are still here kulling CFC fleets GF Good Fun 😉
        Dotbros have proven that they are a amazing bunch of guys/girls/leadership. Don't hate the players hate yo self cfc scrub,join better alliance :)

        September 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm Reply
        1. hturt

          En24 favors DOTbro heavily. Shows only victories of them. No cfc victories reported (yes CFC wins fights)
          Other favors CFC (duh) but they have shown their own losses and victories and want other sides to please input their point of view of events.

          I prefer other because they didnt report fweddit going to cobalt edge….when they were actually going to another side of FW. DUH!

          September 29, 2012 at 10:18 pm Reply

            That's how every DekCo win goes. and that's a story i have told many times.

            September 29, 2012 at 10:36 pm
          2. hturt

            I GOT RESPONSES!!!! YAY ME!!

            Just saying its still news, like it or not

            If it bores you so much, how about someone do an article on how the war would have gone if Test stayed in cfc and went North with the rest? How would that affect the conflict up there?

            September 29, 2012 at 11:15 pm
          3. The Truth

            The way its going for CFC it wouldnt surprise me if Test are recalled

            September 29, 2012 at 11:33 pm
          4. IRC FC

            And as to if they answer the call…or not will test if HBC truly exists or they are still merely "CFC lite".

            October 1, 2012 at 1:58 am
          5. old timer

            and the bulshit you are just sayin is not biased nor propaganda ?

            tsssss , lol .

            if its a troll , its 0,5 / 10

            if you are serious , no wonder how you always manage to end up on the loosing side : you know nothing about this game, obviously :)

            September 29, 2012 at 11:22 pm
          6. I wonder why noone point out that EWOK-PL aren't figthing NCdot even is they are part of OTEC ? that OTEC thing was a joke from start.
            On an other hands, wars were easier to win when CFC was a BIG coallition. now TEST is out of it and lets face it, as much as test were 'noob' they were pulling their weight in the fight. CFC lost 30% participation when they lost test. I wonder if they realize what's gonna happen when they fight won't be at titan range?
            The future of GSF is not bright at all, Kids are pushing (HBC).

            September 29, 2012 at 11:48 pm
          7. M1k3y

            Because Ewokes are terrible.
            We were blue to them at one point, only to get shot at by them. Then when we would shoot back at them they would cry foul

            September 30, 2012 at 12:56 am
          8. Baddies being bad

            I think you miss the point that its been constant CFC whelps or victories of 'break even' while outnumbering the enemy 3+:1

            September 29, 2012 at 10:36 pm
          9. hturt

            if you havent noticed…thats how they do it and heres the kicker…it works..
            KB stats mean nothing to them, nor do welping.
            (YeS we have people who like welping ships)
            its quiet fun and gets you all giggly inside

            September 29, 2012 at 11:37 pm
          10. Bhunter

            Show please post these victories…..I dare you, find me these great victories and I will post 2 to your 1 and in everyone of them outnumbered 2:1…….

            Go on I here you GSF Pussies say this shit all the time…THEN POST RIGHT HERE and we will recognize them.

            September 30, 2012 at 12:54 am
          11. LOL

            Goon Victories,if you can such a word,is the same ALWAYS.
            Blobbed them 3to1 5to1 drowned them with numbers,won a no threat fight.
            Bravo lol Yawn next…
            Dotbros Fights are inspirational due to they are fighting an wining fights 2to1 3to1 frequetly. They are doing things that should not be possible,doing things that show people,hey you can say FUCK YOU to the blob.
            I would rather read about these awesome fights,rather than the blobs and structure grinds that CFC can only report about.Making that shit sound interesting is like trying to say a donkey is a horse,just aint happening.

            September 30, 2012 at 6:05 am
          12. old timer

            NCdot also has is share of structure bashing …

            September 30, 2012 at 9:12 pm
        2. rane

          oh so true man!!!

          September 29, 2012 at 11:18 pm Reply
      3. Random Miner

        The (guy who wants to be space king)'s website has a habit of including barbs against their enemies, even when the articles have nothing to do with their wars, and even when the articles have nothing much to do with eve at all. And the more and more you read the more and more you see it being a monster propaganda machine.
        This is a shame, because even when their articles are total bullshit they do tend to be well written. But they just use this nice professional presentation style and eloquent wording to distract from their propaganda and bias.

        September 30, 2012 at 5:54 am Reply
        1. Random Miner

          i really can't beleive i had to do that for not to be insta-deleted….

          September 30, 2012 at 5:56 am Reply
    2. Arthello

      With another 100-200 pilots the dotbros would've been on the offensive instead of only fighting defensively. The CFC would still pretty much do as they pleased during the weekend, but the rest of the week would've been all dotbros. Every move dotbros are doing has to be calculated and well-executed, if not the massive number advantage of the CFC horde will just overrun them. The Dotbros (we) are fighting a loosing battle, but we're not going down without a fight. And fighting is after all why everyone in NCdot/BL are playing the game. You can't complain by having plenty of targets.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:04 am Reply
      1. tigger

        so you will start soon the offensive with your new trial members from fail.

        September 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
        1. Arthello

          They're not that many. If you have a corp with 100 duders you might get anything between 5-10 dudes in fleet and that's in an active alliance. Look at the CFC they have 50k members and all they can muster on workdays is 200-400.

          October 1, 2012 at 12:05 am Reply
    3. Come on

      As opposed to visiting an NCdot run website?

      September 30, 2012 at 3:09 am Reply
      1. pink panther

        thats because that article wasn't intended for eve news but instead was copypasted from nc. forums.

        September 30, 2012 at 9:59 am Reply
  5. Gort

    "because of Elo….. " that sir is a +3 internetz winning meme right there.

    September 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm Reply
  6. JumboTM

    Glad NC. and friends are still making it painful for the ever annoying Cluster Fuck.. Keep rocking guys!

    September 29, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
  7. Truth

    Adolf Mitler Evident from recent posts is more frustrated than some of his retarded grunts when it comes to the progress of this war.

    Facts of the matter is,regardless of at the end of the day if Dotbros win the Sov war or not,EVE has for long time lost it fun factor,i.e. blueing 2 3rd of 0.0 is evidently not fun,but needed in some weak/pathetic allances cases. CFC in in 3 letters exacly what they are,they are a coalition,none of the alliances have their own identity,its hazey grey,just a blob,they may as well disband and reform as cfc for all the difference it would make.CFC being such a big blob/blue napfest should have no problem rollig over a coalition of a fraction their size.
    In a Nutshell Dotbros having lots of fun,CFC fleets are even standin down moe & more often now. As is evident from recent posts CFC morle is really hurting.
    Tryin to seed discontent within Dotbros by discrediting certain timezones/leadershipis hualious to say the least.
    Carries on Below:

    September 29, 2012 at 9:08 pm Reply
    1. Truth

      Truth is all Timezone have acted incredibly,EU Timezone has been worse hit getting commonly blobbed 3to1 + so CFC can only blame them selves for losing fleets and getting blue balled when there numbers are too rediclious.
      As can be commonly seen Dotbros have won countless outnumbered fights,done things that other alliances can only dream about & done things that should not be possible
      Again in a nutshell Dotbros Spartans vs CFC hoarde of persians.
      Salute you Dotbros awesome job,insprational war being waged. Deserve a big pat on the back :)

      September 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm Reply
    2. Wololol

      Agree all alliances bodies in Dotbros are absolute her0s.
      Battle reports do not lie. So many outnumbered fights been won by Dotbros,they are diffinately some body to look upto,even join if you also like epic pvp.
      Dotbros certainly the place to be for fun,obviously the occasional Structure grind is subject to requiremen,but has to be done to carry on farming cfc fleets.
      Mitani is good at misleading/influencing propaganda to suit his casue,but honestly you would have to be crazy to HONESTLY beleive half the fiction he drivels on about,hes lost his touch. just to confirm has deleted 3 accounts of mine,from not trolling,just stating facts BR's that show truth rather than the nonescence he writes.
      Surely he is only hurting CFC morale more by making it massively obvious that cfc is doing shit. Wich is what his latest posts are confirming in an intellectual way.

      September 29, 2012 at 9:22 pm Reply
  8. droljica

    Fuerer is pissed about this article drunkerini,do what u do best.

    September 29, 2012 at 9:11 pm Reply
  9. the vet

    the goons and allies blue up 35-40k members, alliances lose their identity, 100's 100's of afk cloakers, eve is not fun to log into anymore

    September 29, 2012 at 9:26 pm Reply
  10. GSF

    Pretty sure you're losing. Losers suck, as they usually don't win. Who wants to hang around a bunch of losers?

    September 29, 2012 at 9:48 pm Reply
  11. M4ster112

    Oh noes better we give up the sov grind then.

    September 29, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
  12. old timer

    you will thind plenty of not CFC friendly posts on …

    anyway , its true that the dotbros are toughest opponents we had in a while … and really , its cool . the main feeling amongst the grunts is that it was about time to find an opponents who fights back . people were bored of one week campagne rushing structure with no opponents … maybe except dbrb ^^

    anyway , this war is cool , and the ones getting impatients are mostly observers outside the cfc …
    and as mittens said it also allowed us to make point on some of our weaknesses, and try to correct them.

    vince is wrong about the meatgrinder , its not a term we use when we loose , but a term we use to discribe a big battle wit plenty of destroyed ships…

    and last , vince is not saying, how many moons dotbros have lost … about 40 .

    September 29, 2012 at 10:42 pm Reply
  13. Test comment

    Goons mad cuz they cant just press F1 anymore…. NCDOT happy cuz they are busy, gettin fights, and are actually having fun…. But there is one thing goons has over NCDOT… FCON! FCON is obviosuly the backbone of the CFC!

    September 29, 2012 at 10:47 pm Reply
    1. hturt

      So what does NCDOT press? F2 and F3? Oh so much more skill there!!!

      September 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm Reply
      1. dotbro

        You'd be suprised how many buttanz u gotta press to killwhore on 400 drakes in a day.

        September 30, 2012 at 12:34 am Reply
        1. S2N member

          Ahahaha SO TRUE!

          September 30, 2012 at 9:33 am Reply
      2. Bhunter

        Yes, while keeping range, as its not just "Stay under 70km guys" Swapping ammo types, keeping transversal, holding anchors seeing as we have 1/3rd the players meaning we get insta popped if we dont stay perfect range from target and from reps, Pulsing MWD`s/AB not leaving them on and blasting in 1 direction…..but your right not much diff fighting in a Drake than a Ahac, that has 1/3rd its tank 1/3rd its range and 1/3rd the numbers while still ass fucking you.

        September 30, 2012 at 12:51 am Reply
      3. Arthello

        Flying Abaddons/Rokhs/Maelstroms, Tengus/Lokis, ahacs and Drakes is the same shit I totally agree. That's just anchoring up and hitting F1 no matter what fleet it is. There's still plenty of room for being awesome even if you're anchored up. Stuff like cap management, turning hardeners on/off, overloading and even breaking anchor if you see you're being shot to increase transversal.

        But in general if all you do is anchoring up and hitting F1 then it's the same shit yes.

        September 30, 2012 at 2:29 am Reply
  14. Eve gamer

    I can just say CFC is garbage fleet.

    September 29, 2012 at 11:42 pm Reply
  15. herpaderp

    the fun thing is… evoke and ewoks, haven't even been active in this whole war against CFC, also IRC been rather slacking… but i think everyone knows the reasons for that.

    i predict total CFC nostral rape, if evoke, ewoks & IRC join in with the ships dotbros fly most.

    September 29, 2012 at 11:57 pm Reply
    1. lolev0ke

      german are carebear and don't have balls.They need a tech!!111!!!11!
      i think they are cfc member now

      September 30, 2012 at 3:56 am Reply
    2. Humble_miner

      It seems to me that Ewoks are busy fighting Solar for tech. I sure would love to see them killing CFC instead.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:29 am Reply
  16. anon

    CFC are so damn pathetic lol seen better fleets by highsec carebears, they truly only have numbers and nothing else.

    September 30, 2012 at 12:23 am Reply
    1. dotbro

      This is actually kind of true, RvB was able to put up some fights which provided more of a challenge then some CFC fleets.

      September 30, 2012 at 2:49 am Reply
  17. new eden citizen

    all NOT CFC comments on are deleted O_o

    September 30, 2012 at 12:54 am Reply
  18. Bhunter

    VIVA LA DOT-TM Bnty Hunter

    September 30, 2012 at 12:55 am Reply
    1. Meat Gazer

      CFC spy detected…Your not the real bhunter.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:29 pm Reply
  19. sdfsdf

    All the great alliances in eve will eventually fall, the next generation is taking root, the generation of 200 man frig roams, 400 man drake fleets, and playing docking games on a massive scale with lots of carriers. The only fun thing is eve to do anymore is little 3-10 man nano gangs.

    September 30, 2012 at 1:22 am Reply
  20. ninja grunt

    "So we looked at a few choices:-

    1) Low sec."

    definately NCdawt is winning :)

    September 30, 2012 at 2:46 am Reply
    1. Aonus

      i think he ment to stage from…..

      October 2, 2012 at 10:32 am Reply
  21. Random Miner

    2 of my comments on this article have been insta-deleted, and i'm groing frustrated….

    September 30, 2012 at 5:49 am Reply
    1. FormerReader

      no you're wrong, the other site deletes posts / bans accounts, not this one. this one doesn't delete posts at all!

      October 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm Reply
    2. anonymous

      If you put the Goon's ceo's name in your post it will get deleted automatically which I still think Riverini needs to change.

      October 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm Reply
      1. Random Miner

        yeah i figured that out eventually. thats just weird…

        October 3, 2012 at 10:31 am Reply
  22. Arlekyn

    If SOLAR wouldn't be the dicks they were so far, the war for tech in the North would change direction pretty fast, with PL coming up there to defend their own moons :) Just imagine those 600-700 people from both doties and solar that fight each other regularly in Geminate, joining forces and grabbing the northen tech. But that would make them the new BoB (or CFC), wouldn't it?

    September 30, 2012 at 7:03 am Reply
    1. Guy

      Far as I know ncdot hasn't really made any decent offers to Solar. People can write a million words about why solar should help out, but without some concrete deals they're never going to.

      But yes, you're right. A combined solar/drone region and ncdot coalition would probably break through.

      September 30, 2012 at 7:39 am Reply
      1. OhNoes

        Please don't bring Solar Inc into this, we are happy with the status quo, unless Mactep states otherwise.

        We have no moons, and like a few comments, we don't have a full SFP, except for logi and few doctrine expensive ships such as our Tengu fleet.

        I rather not help/aid because they are elitist faggots, and when they drop their 20 supers without support on our stations cause we are medium size alliance, and gloat like fuck in local about it.

        Nah rather become homeless and return and fight the scrubs who install in the region.

        I too have a few billion, so don't need free ships. Pro-tip "Fly your fucking ship" .

        September 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm Reply
        1. anonymous

          "I rather not help/aid because they are elitist faggots, and when they drop their 20 supers without support on our stations cause we are medium size alliance, and gloat like fuck in local about it."

          A) what alliance are you
          B) if we drop 20 supers without support which is unlikely these days it is usually because we were killing dumb capitals or reinforcing said station in which case we probably did have support close by.

          September 30, 2012 at 4:03 pm Reply
  23. Well i got 2 accounts banned on the "other site" because posting on some biased pro Goons articles. So no more the "other site" for me at least for the articles that are about EVE politics. EN24 has its own outstanding biased moments but at least on EN i never got banned when spitting on Riv. Hi Riverini o/.

    September 30, 2012 at 10:45 am Reply
    1. Random Miner

      yes, almost all the commenters on that site are people saying "awesome read!" or "really great article!". It's like I'm being expected to believe all dissenting voices in the world have left, and we are all one happy family, loving everything….. lmfao

      October 3, 2012 at 10:35 am Reply
  24. sour

    i never liked nc. much, but hell….go gogogog dotbros 😛

    September 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm Reply
  25. Meat Gazer

    Sounds like mittens doesnt even play eve anymore.

    September 30, 2012 at 10:31 pm Reply
  26. Dave from FA

    interesting read, may read again. Oh please can FA have your stuff?

    September 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm Reply
  27. BntyHunter

    I love when bad PVPers try to use ships they cant/dont know how to use that we have mastered against us, its like they forget we know how to fly Hacs and Blap Dreads….So yeah we can sure as shit counter them even with 50 less guys…..Hell 1 v 1 – 50 guys is a welcomed relief

    October 1, 2012 at 12:30 am Reply
    1. Guy

      Uh, didn't you outnumber them by 50 guys? Actually it's more like 80 if you put Militaris Industries in the right box.

      I mean, yeah you beat Solar and their allies. But it's not like ED, scdot and brick are that good at all so I'm not sure what there is to brag about?

      October 1, 2012 at 3:14 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Uhh they outnumbered us for most the engagement and BR Doc cant use adjacent systems….Go look it up.

        Also SOlar are 10x better at fighting than CFC are you kidding lol

        October 1, 2012 at 6:19 am Reply
        1. Guy

          Didn't cfc come in after the fight was pretty much decided? I don't see any ncdot kills except for in sr-.

          I'm really having trouble seeing how you didn't outnumber them?

          October 1, 2012 at 6:40 am Reply
          1. BntyHunter

            Look at cap kills, CFC had what? 40 guys tops. Half of us wernt there in begining

            When its all said and done it was Even numbers Almost whole fight, we just wiped em out.
            Some of us were rushing there to get in on it.

            October 1, 2012 at 6:44 am
          2. Guy

            So removing cfc who apparently only appeared right at the end and putting Militaris on the right side you get this:

            I've fought ncdot enough times in geminate to know that they'll blob when it suits them. Not that there's anything wrong with that – it's how the game works after all. Dotbros did decide to stand down twice before that fight happened as well, since they wanted to wait til late EUTZ when numbers were more favorable.

            The point is that yes, you won a fight but there's no reason to brag over that one.

            October 1, 2012 at 6:51 am
          3. Jeremiah

            OMFG NC. fought when they weren't outnumbered. Game over. Time for NC. to disband.

            Assuming you are right and NC. had more ships in the fight so fucking what. Just because they kick the shit out of CFC repeatedly while outnumbered doesn't mean they have to do it every time.

            October 1, 2012 at 7:04 am
          4. dgg

            so fucking what …. yes.

            it is always completly different when the pro pvp-gamers have not the conditions than always mentioned. you can call it this time a big win, but at the end you end up like all the blob bullshit you always use as excuse during loosing the war against CFC.

            but, maybe you can tell us something about the order from vincent that Evoke has to drop all their tech moons for NC. to keep financing the war ? yeah i know, it's cool. a third frontline in vale is currently that what NC. want's to get descent fights.

            October 1, 2012 at 11:15 am
          5. anonymous

            So much wrong with your post. We never complain in major fights when we are outnumbered by 40-80 people infact we enjoy that. It is when it goes from 40-80 to 150-200+ more then us. Hell we love when it's only 2 to 1 220 vs 100+. Not to mention the fact that we have fought you outnumbered as well more times then not and the killboards can back that. Also please show us where this supposed tech handover has occurred or are you just pulling more shit out of your ass?

            October 1, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    2. Arthello

      You shouldn't be hating on SOLAR for using the same doctrines as dotbros. SOLAR has been using ahacs for as long as us to be honest. SOLAR ahac fleets are commonly known and if you underestimate them you're in for a nasty surprise. I have a lot of respect for SOLAR because they have proven themselves to me many times.

      October 2, 2012 at 6:01 am Reply
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        October 2, 2012 at 6:37 am Reply
  28. Andrejs L

    Decent effort by NC. props

    October 1, 2012 at 6:14 am Reply
  29. Sigh

    ( This +… ) / 2 = truth. Gotta love the spin both sides put on things. In the end, it's just like everybody predicted from the beginning: CFC is taking the space, DOTBros is making them bleed for it. My prediction is that unless something major changes, CFC is going to win the sov war while DOTBros get more kills…and then there will be a succession of useless articles/posts arguing over which one counts as "winning" the war.

    October 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm Reply
  30. Gecko

    I just would love for goons and Test to go the way of BOB every alliance rise up and war dec's em.

    October 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm Reply
  31. U know who

    Hey (ELO, Nulli, Walltrippers, Pangu, Evoke, …) you are sooooo much better than those guys….

    Seems to be a bit redundant. No?

    October 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
  32. old timer

    hey just had a deleted comment where i was simply saying that ncdot has lost 31 systems, 8 stations and over 40 moons ^^

    September 30, 2012 at 12:12 am Reply
  33. ncdotduder

    You should be takeing systems,stations and moons. Your the 2nd largest allaince in the game. we dont even rank in the top 10 for #s. But see thats teh point isnt it?? you have WAY more peeps than us,yet you cant manage to steam roll us.. sure your winning your supposed to this is a #s game.. but your doing it so slowly: This is the differeence between ~elite pvp~ and well CFC. WE can and will take on big numbers and bad odds .. AND WIN. CFC will never know the joy of beating the odds, because you wont/cant fight unless the odds are heavy in your favor. MORE is the simple solution too this game .. a solution you embrace and we laugh at.

    September 30, 2012 at 12:29 am Reply
  34. anonymous

    Sure you did

    September 30, 2012 at 12:32 am Reply
  35. Get Objective

    Winning? You mean holding space? Or looking at the "green killboards"

    In the end, we will see who holds space, and who's begging to find space.

    Remember, its always about the ability to replace ships, not how many you lose. We could lose thousands and still keep coming, but with your resources cut, your bleeding even if you win 10 to 1 every fight. If your goal is gudfights, great it takes two to have gudfights. If your goal is to break up the CFC, umm keep dreaming? NC. is much much closer to Failscading.

    September 30, 2012 at 1:51 am Reply
  36. old timer

    elite pvp is not revelant in sov war . numbers is what counts in sov war.

    that being said , if NCdot had more numbers , the war would be different.
    but dotbros is one of the best opponent i thought so far , with PL …

    so , is NCdot better pvpers than goons ? yes , no doubt.
    is CFC better at politics ? yes , no doubt .

    and each side uses his own strenghs and weapons…

    eve haves the particularity that knowing the politics is as important as knowing the ranges, the ammo types , the ships stats and all. its part of the core of the game . denying that lead you to defeat.

    September 30, 2012 at 2:22 am Reply
  37. Poastin Toaster

    Do you think losing Naga/Zealots is going to hurt the average DotBro?

    Most of the people that you are fighting have been playing this game longer and have figured out how to make a ton of isk, or already have a ton of isk. Not every alliance in EVE is spoon fed ships like the CFC.

    Since this war started I have lost only 12 ships. 3 were sabres and the rest fleet ships. I havent asked for any ISK for the loses and I still have more ISK than i know what to do with.

    September 30, 2012 at 2:25 am Reply
  38. ncdotduder

    again.. you should hold the space: you should be winning: your the MORE coalition: you win cause you have more: your supposed to win .its a game about numbers and you have the 2nd most; but we are makeing you look silly doing it : your fleets get murdered you lose titans and supers;in true scrub fashion i might add;
    Here let me make it easy for you . If ncdot had cfc #s and cfc had our #s cfc couldnt do what we are doing to you right now .. you would just roll over and die : your getting roflstomped everytime you undock with less than 3-1 odds as it is now. you should be embarrassed, you got everything going your way still cant beat our fleets. you beat us on ''objectives'' casue for that ONE timer you can get 600 -1200 peeps in system. MORE. its easy to do .. get more.. shortcut to ''winning'' have more, NCdot could and may well lose every bit of space and we still wont ''failcascade'' NCdot isnt about space or free ships Ncdot is about shitting up your killboard.

    September 30, 2012 at 2:32 am Reply
  39. anonymous

    The part we laugh at is very many in your coalition think that you are better pvp'ers. We accept what you just said and we don't care we rather fight the good fight then be some massive coalition all holding hands and singing kumbaya. Why do you think we reset almost everyone following our conquest of the north. The only blues we kept were Pl, Evoke, and Raiden. We reset the entirety of the drone regions and white noise because that is not what we wanted to be.

    September 30, 2012 at 4:08 pm Reply
  40. xxxx

    Then start using caps if the NC pilots are so space rich. But NC. won't, because we both know what would happen. Atleast the CFC has the balls to use caps in a fight.

    September 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm Reply
  41. anonymous

    Sorry we won't suicide our supercapitals to make your structure grinding more enjoyable. You only use caps when you know we have no way of killing them. A few days ago we formed up and you guys docked your carriers and stood down because we had 10 more titans then you even though we had less subcaps and supercapitals.

    September 30, 2012 at 4:33 pm Reply

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