The following Jabber Ping precedes the soon to be explained diplomatic misunderstanding:

#### SENT BY – Montolio to honeybadger @ Sep 20 2012 15:56:34 EVE Time ####[12:03:54] The Jagged Alliance and TEST have come to an unresolved dispute regarding space, they have until Saturday to evacuate from HBC space – barring exceptional diplomatic action.

I suggest all HBC alliances set them +2.5 for now.

To the grunts in The Jagged Alliance, I apologize for the inconvenience, I have tried to resolve the issue to the extent of my patience.

#### SENT BY – Montolio to honeybadger @ Sep 20 2012 16:03:54 EVE Time ####

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The following explanation was posted on the closed TEST forums:

I’ve been really patient with them but they have some sort of attachment to sov. I offered them some space, plans changed and we offered them space with less stations but with more neo, this wasn’t acceptable for them.

I have tried to get through their head that sov doesn’t really matter but they were not getting it. They were trying to get a second constellation when they haven’t even gotten the sov transferred for the first. We could have done better by being more motivated as this stuff has gone on for three weeks but that’s the way of the game.

We’ll see how things pan out with TJA, we have been told from credible sources (a rarity in TEST) than TEST might take a second look at their blues list and perform a little shake up. We’ll keep an eye on it.

We approached Montolio for an official comment:

The Jagged Alliance pilots were in general good to interact with and entirely competent. The leadership did not seem to understand the concept of space communism, which is the policy of shared ratting space across the coalition. It was always my intention to give them a specific constellation. Unfortunately due to issues with english/foreign languages it was miscommunicated that they might be getting a different area.

– R

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59 Comments

  1. Blap

    Sounds like Pathetiqu has gone retard again… lol

    September 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm Reply
    1. -A- grunt

      Full Retard.

      September 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm Reply
  2. CptGreywolf

    Anyone who knows TJA have seen that all Path does is sov whore his ass off, and this time it has cost him dearly

    September 20, 2012 at 6:40 pm Reply
    1. Fail band

      Yup They are sov hungry morons that thought they could use test to gain space intend test used them to poach their members lol and my Corp has already poached a few =] though we are in fail band not test =]

      September 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm Reply
  3. Oh Dear Lord

    sounds like test trying to steal members from pet alliance again….lol

    September 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm Reply
    1. War Observer

      My thought exactly. Let them take some space and move their stuff in, then evict them thus forcing line members to decide to remain loyal to their alliance and move, or change sides to keep access to space and avoid moving their shit again.

      September 20, 2012 at 8:07 pm Reply
  4. John Douche

    A classic deportation. The Fuhrer could not have planned it any better.

    September 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm Reply
  5. -A- Pilot

    What's this rumor about TEST allowing supers to be sold to other "non blue" entities? A Goon I know said there was a broadcast that because of TEST's decision, that no CFC supers are allowed to be sold to any HBC members. Are the Goons pissed because their little pet is not conforming to what his Master wants? What would PL do if Goons and TEST reset each other?

    On closing, it appears that Montolio has royally pissed off a lot of high command types in TEST, including Dreddit. If Dreddit leaves TEST, could test survive without them? Buddha, care to comment?

    September 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm Reply
    1. Backdoor Man

      This is simple from PL's standpoint. If Goons reset Test, then PL will side with Goons. Fuck test, most in PL can't stand them anyway. Sure, they provide us the meatshield we need, but so could the CFC with a lot better pilots.

      If Montolio does put up Fountain for rent as some are suggesting in Test leadership, don't put it past PL to take all of Fountain….again. AAA would roast Test in Delve and Querious in a matter of a few weeks without PL to direct them. Plus, who say's we wouldn't be hitting them from ZXB if they do get reset by Goons?

      Test leadership better pull their heads out of their asses and get this bullshit resolved quick, otherwise they will be back in Empire before they even know WTF is going on. Trust me, you don't want Shadoo on your bad side, just ask Maka.

      September 21, 2012 at 9:57 pm Reply
      1. anotherdude

        implying shadoo/PL is competent anymore.

        lol.

        September 22, 2012 at 2:03 am Reply
        1. Devore

          Implying nothing. Supers speak for themselves.

          September 23, 2012 at 11:26 pm Reply
  6. Hictor

    TJa has the worst leadership, what kind of arguement is oh yea then we will leave the coalition if our demands aren't met. Sure you have allies like goon and Pl but we is the bestest.

    September 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm Reply
  7. AAA VET

    Hey Jagged Alliance …

    Suggest that you take the "Oath To Makalu" and join SOCO.

    September 20, 2012 at 7:12 pm Reply
    1. Scar

      LoL so they can be screamed at and told they don't talk back to -A- . . . sounds muuuccch better. o.0

      September 20, 2012 at 8:25 pm Reply
      1. Southerner

        Actually sounds a hell of a lot better.

        They get PVP experience and don't have dicks ordering them to sack their leadership or threatening to turn them red. At least they don't have to kiss ass and since AAA doesn't want Delve, Querious etc, once this entire Goon/Test/PL half of 0.0 space comes crashing down, they can have their very own space if they want to hold it.

        September 21, 2012 at 12:08 am Reply
        1. jarhead

          yet another headshot by TEST to an ally.

          recruit, assimilate, kick.

          Leadership of other member entities be warned.
          TEST wants your pilots, not your leadership group.

          September 21, 2012 at 11:18 am Reply
    2. ...

      I think they should just run with the bombers bar and kill all the sov holders.

      September 21, 2012 at 5:04 am Reply
      1. always laughahaha

        We wouldn't let them.

        September 21, 2012 at 6:11 am Reply
  8. SgtSimons

    not going to lie, space communism is actually a great idea. it makes everyone feel valued and less likely to leave their side or become unsatisfied with the coalition in general. this way pets don't really feel like pets. they feel like actual equal members.

    great idea.

    September 20, 2012 at 7:14 pm Reply
    1. M1k3y

      Until everyone crowds into the -1.0 systems and nobody can get at the anoms…

      Less conflict with people ratting in their own space w/ exceptions of escalations imo.

      September 20, 2012 at 8:27 pm Reply
    2. Devore

      Yes, it "SOUNDS" great.

      September 23, 2012 at 11:37 pm Reply
  9. lol

    seams that like LI3 federation TJA got promised space , than test changed over and over idea, giving them worst and worst conditions, so they refused, Test pretending to be good allies, in fact are worst than -a-

    September 20, 2012 at 7:29 pm Reply
    1. lulz

      LI3 proved that they didn't understand how SOV mechanics worked and still wanted an entire constellation.

      TJA leadership didn't want what they were offered and didn't see the value in free access.

      September 20, 2012 at 8:53 pm Reply
      1. -A- SUCKS

        oh how little you know.

        LI3 leadership does know how sov works… we were offered and we told test to hold back on giving it to us for now.

        i sometimes wonder why i come to this site anymore since all it is, is -A- Propaganda machine

        September 21, 2012 at 1:02 am Reply
        1. twatsRus

          LOLS OK pet. Tier 5 pet now ?

          Goons v
          Test v
          PL v
          Raiden v
          TJA v Slumavator going DOWN

          September 21, 2012 at 1:09 am Reply
        2. lets

          At least your aloud to post things in the comments section on this site, pretty much anything you post on the other site is removed unless it is goon propaganda, or your saying what a good story you just read…… constructive criticism is removed, anything you try and point out that's wrong in the story is removed, it's ridiculous really.

          September 21, 2012 at 2:22 am Reply
      2. Pasta 4 all

        I fail to understand the relevance of stating anything about Li3 in this, nor why they are being scoffed at for wanting a piece of space of their own. To state a lack of understanding how sov mechanics work is a broad statement that is not true in its original form. The reference to a lack of understanding of sov refers to Li3 being somewhat new to some specific aspects of what it can take to take sov under certain conditions. Holding sov is another matter all together which they can handle just fine. Much of the issue has been discussed already which is funny to see why the blanket statement is no longer valid. Li3 are NOT in the same boat as TJA as Li3 were wishing to take space less strategic in order to better serve the coalition by growing its numbers successfully. While certain space is always preferred, in the end it's down to negotiating and seeing things from each other's point of view…a mutal give and take. Perhaps this was not done in this case and the reason toys were being thrown from the pram?

        September 22, 2012 at 8:20 am Reply
    2. DarthNefarius

      lol Test are Indian givers not giving SOV they promised o.0

      September 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm Reply
    3. lul

      That's funny because -A- do the same thing… lol i've been in a few alliance now that -A- has offered space that they obviously will not go through with.

      September 21, 2012 at 1:12 am Reply
  10. former TJA

    TJA – an alliance so shite that TEST had to kick them out.

    September 20, 2012 at 7:35 pm Reply
  11. TJA Member

    (3:25:01 PM) pleaseignore.com: Friends, The Jagged Alliance has backed away from the brink. I have involved another alliance of the coalition in the discussions to get an impartial third party opinion on the matter.

    The director responsible for the comments which caused this rift has been fired, The Jagged Alliance will stay in the HBC and be evaluated for the next two weeks. If they want to leave or we want them to leave at the end of those two weeks they will be given as much time as they need to evacuate to NPC space.

    #### SENT BY – Montolio to honeybadger @ Sep 20 2012 19:25:01 EVE Time ####

    September 20, 2012 at 8:38 pm Reply
    1. War Observer

      So TJA members are happy when they see the likes of Montolio appointing and dismissing their directors. Talk about pet mentality, how pathetic.

      September 20, 2012 at 9:14 pm Reply
    2. Southerner

      Grow some balls Jagged!

      Overlords are sacking your leadership and you have to beg to stay in the TEST bropact as a pet of a pet of a pet. Fuck that!

      September 21, 2012 at 12:05 am Reply
  12. TJA Member

    (3:25:01 PM) pleaseignore.com: Friends, The Jagged Alliance has backed away from the brink. I have involved another alliance of the coalition in the discussions to get an impartial third party opinion on the matter.

    September 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm Reply
  13. EX - TJA member

    all i have to say is good for em, pathetiQ is a major ass hole who only thinks about how much sov he can get and how much he loves being a pet, i hope the grunts get through this, but i hope TJA leadership (PathetiQ) burns in this

    love ingo :)

    September 20, 2012 at 8:50 pm Reply
  14. U know Who

    TEST "BRO" process :

    Step 1). Identify modernized alliance led by drooling idiots.
    Step 2). Promise said idiot space and riches.
    Step 3). Have alliance move shit into area of control.
    Step 4). Fuck over idiot alliance leadership and assimilate a portion of the membership into TEST.
    Step 5). Repeat step 1

    September 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm Reply
    1. U know Who

      I hate iPads moderate size alliance not modernized.

      September 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm Reply
    2. U know who

      Has anyone really looked at the revolving door that is TJA? Astonishing really….
      http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Jagged_All

      September 20, 2012 at 10:25 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Lol wow this sounds just like Goons method of doing things…I wonder where Test learned it.

      September 20, 2012 at 10:46 pm Reply
  15. you suckerfish

    Jagged I told you pl,initiative,and the others you guys are sucker fish.attached to the host like a perasit.
    Now you see how sucker fish get treated.

    Truly your enemy,

    Anton halas. AAA

    September 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm Reply
  16. concensus

    lol classic Test, look at history there, once ol Monty gets upset, its all downhill from there…..

    September 20, 2012 at 11:12 pm Reply
  17. Partsking

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

    September 20, 2012 at 11:39 pm Reply
  18. A normal guy

    That chick in the other Test alliance video is enough to make anyone quit Test. I think this is just an excuse not to have to put up with Test chicks. I think you would lose IQ points listening to them long enough.

    September 21, 2012 at 7:03 am Reply
    1. Gallinarr

      I think you mean nulli secunda. she was wearing pink with cat ears

      September 22, 2012 at 12:06 am Reply
  19. BYSTANDRT

    EVERY POST TURNS INTO A -a- THREAD

    September 21, 2012 at 9:38 am Reply
  20. Testing 123

    Everyone in EvE knows that Test has the biggest Dick?!
    Jagged alliance had better move their fat arse or you know what we are going to do with our big… and their arse. Right?

    -A- is under the same notice to move and have 2 weeks to do it, they currently have pet status to us.

    LAWN is also going to need to leave Null. CFC wont like it but we are the biggest alliance in EvE and by proxy are in charge of all Null and will be moving around alliances as we see fit.

    September 21, 2012 at 10:08 am Reply
    1. YOYO

      Please try and stay on topic and keep chat in this thread as the most relevant.

      September 21, 2012 at 12:01 pm Reply
    2. indy

      hahahahhahhaha 😀 sorry i dunno to what extent the actual power of the TEST increased but I still find this very funny :)

      September 21, 2012 at 5:28 pm Reply
      1. Testing

        We are in charge of you. Is that good enough for you?

        September 21, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
  21. the_baron_is_back

    Meh. The fact that TJA is sov hungry does not surprise me, for a simple reason. Krall Amarr aka A PUPPETMASTER (The Baron for his Italian friends) has been part of the Test train for a few months already, in TJA, now in Tribal as well (he was in 99% previously, but they kicked him). He's got corps in TJA (he's got a char in the TJA holding corp as well) and Tribal Band, fueled by botting. Therefore it does not surprise me that he needs space for his bots. Although, if TJA gets the boot, he'll be moving his corp to Tribe probably (if he didn't already, since Tribe has more space).

    September 21, 2012 at 11:37 am Reply
    1. the_baron_is_back

      Of course when he left from 99% he took his retirement bonus, like he always does (he pilfered the wallet)

      September 21, 2012 at 11:48 am Reply
  22. wafer

    rabble rabbble

    September 21, 2012 at 3:06 pm Reply
  23. indy

    its simple really test feel they are becoming more than a rifter swarm alliance and since they secured big time allies that always looked down on them (reiden+pl+init) they decided to come up with some sort of excuse to ditch allies like jagged alliance who's rubbish quality resembled TEST's own quality some time ago (and probably still), very goonlike indeed, i wonder how many years will pass before their new allies train all those noob pilots which will cause them to show a whole new kind of boldness and have sov wars with goons (no doubt saying that their new allies forced them to) i wonder if they are actually planning it yet

    September 21, 2012 at 5:34 pm Reply
  24. Zalyz S'venfirion

    HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

    September 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm Reply
  25. Lookingforward

    Who the fuck would want to rent off test anyway…. grow some balls and fight against them.

    September 22, 2012 at 1:22 am Reply
  26. DarthNefarius

    lol the pets of pets….

    September 20, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
  27. Gs ftw

    More like daddy Gs made Test kick TJA for killing their super carrier when it was only inocently ganking their dreads.

    So does this mean that every time a neut kills something of GS test kicks them?

    September 20, 2012 at 10:15 pm Reply
  28. BntyHunter

    Jagged need only to come up north and help the broski`s you wont get Sov right away but will get 10x better at PVP and when GSF and there pets finally fall you will get a good sized chunk.

    September 20, 2012 at 10:47 pm Reply
  29. Impartial Observer

    Dont know why anyone in -A- is even commenting. A are shit to their allies and pets.

    September 21, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply

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