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Alejandro Rico asked in Skill Training Active what a SlowCat was, here is a short and sweet summary.

Ask Dr. Fit: What is a SlowCat?

A SlowCat or Super Sentry Dominix is basically an Armor Carrier with Sentry Drones assigned to a target caller.

While it might sound as simple as it is, there are some elements which make the whole fit worth a look.

The first time I heard from this fit was from my Pandemic Legion handles, they mentioned how they weren’t worried about the titan tracking nerf since they had found a “decent” alternative utilizing Archons:

SlowCats a doctrine of Shit and Giggles

As you can see, there is an insane 4,600,000 EHP buffer on the Archon, the Thanatos variant gets up to 3,800,000 EHP last time I checked. Also notice the spider tanking highs, two repairers to be activated half cycle apart from each other and a transfer array to keep the cap tidy.

The mid and lows are a buch of stuffed resist mods, which thanks to the carrier refiting service can be swapped depending on which fleet type the enemy brings. The shown implants plus the fleet bonuses help to bring the EHP up. The rest is filled with drone related mods.

Last time I checked, perfect Sentry II skills would yield:

– Bouncers max range: 120km – 2300 volley
– Gardes max range 60km – 2400 volley
– Wardens max 140km – 1800 volley

Having a 50 carrier fleet, something an entity like Pandemic Legion can easily achieve would mean a 120K volley, every ~4 seconds.

Since the drones are assigned to an FC with either a Tech 3 webber or a Huggin, the volley damage would be a non dispersed one.

Most “elite” entities frown SlowCat since they feel it to be a “mindless” tactics (being the Fc the only one pulling the trigger) – this is understandable until one take into account the amount of logistics work involved for every pilot in keeping the spider tanking working, pulling drones when the bombers appear and keeping the right range from the undock or POS bubble.

Yes, this is an strictly defensive fit – don’t expect anyone roaming with 50 carriers, and one which the only effective counter is Super-Capitals or a good subcap FC. If you read our 49-U Battle Report, you will notice Against All Authorities Tengus are no strangers to being countered with SlowCats, in fact they managed to stay out of the webbing range while delivering dps toward the fleet.

A few variations exist, GSF once toyed with the idea of Shield Spider Repping carriers (less dps but immediate repairs) and of course there are the massive Dominix / Ishtar fleet which have been featured in the past.

– R

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100 Comments

  1. corelin

    RnK already has their counter to this 😀 Also I remember when goons and TEST dropped the domi version on CoW back (way back) in the day.

    August 8, 2012 at 2:03 am Reply
    1. Grath

      Oh theres tons of counters to it, but for a defensive stand, backed by tracking dreads, theres not much sweeter than these.

      August 8, 2012 at 2:23 am Reply
      1. Nice fit

        Especially safe to use when sitting within dock range of a station and thus pretty effective at defending timers. If supers jump in, the carrier can deagress and dock up.

        August 8, 2012 at 4:18 am Reply
        1. Vanquisher

          Might be little bit too good wont be supprised if CCP decides to do something about it in future. They already learned hard way that supercapitals online is fun only for the supers pilots. If their statistic munching monkeys show that its realisticaly unkillable for subcaps in usual fleet slugfeasts we might see things like fiting service block if users have agro or capital deagression timers increase(something peoples tired of carrier docking games are praying for every night).

          Other issue is that its a tactic that makes it perfect for multiboxers. Like 10 peoples with 4-5 clients each can show a gigant space f.. off to entire power block. Not exactly what a mmo games developers want.

          August 8, 2012 at 9:00 am Reply
          1. Imigo

            "unkillable for subcaps"

            Being unkillable for subcaps isn't such an issue, so long as there is some counter to such a fleet other than simply a bigger fleet of the same type.

            August 8, 2012 at 11:20 am
          2. Vanquisher

            well unkillable for subcaps basicaly means that what you wrote above, geting bigger capital, supercapital fleet that has enough dps to kill 4m ehp spider reped by 40 buddies carrier in 30s

            Other way would be to get enough subcap dps that can force them to dock and be unable to undock. The main issue is the sentry range such bloob has a reasonable chance to instagib any subcap. 40 man bloob of this carriers has 170k hps once reps set in. (not counting overheating) 450(370dps on lr ammo) tempests shoting outside of the sentry range will start breaking the spider tank. To that you would need another 420 to kill it before it can deagro and dock. 650 can alpha such carrier using LR ammo. Soo pure dps approach is not possible if they are supported by hostile fleet.

            August 8, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    2. Bilbo

      Not a counter but something that they use for some years now, after all it's a Pantheon carrier with drone links. RNK cant field as many Archons as PL can, so they can't spare high slots for drone links as they need the rep.

      Most of the more modern videos they tend to use it defending POS.

      but even if they refit lows, two DDs on same carrier will still kill it. assuming someone wants to drop titans though…

      August 8, 2012 at 3:18 am Reply
      1. derp2

        Dropping a few Titans on PL/Test is a supremely stupid idea. PL gets a raging hardon for situations like that, and Makalu's titan was about 3 seconds from getting blapped for doing it the other day.

        August 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm Reply
  2. Grath

    The base concept is there, however the utility of the carrier can't be overlooked, its ability to refit on the fly to whatever task is needed is amazing.

    Need more range or tracking on your sentries, no problem, couple quick changes can easily adjust that. Facing a mob of supercarriers? Not a problem, everybody swap to smarties and let the cloud of fighterbombers settle in and sound off once or twice, suddenly no more bombers. A small titan fleet? Not a big deal, double up on the appropriate hardener type and tank DD's, not to mention the ability to refit to some heavy neuting fits.

    The concept is there, but you are right that is almost strictly defensive in nature, guarding a POS or station or IHUB .

    We've also developed a Chimera based model that actually outclasses the Archon in almost every single area.

    August 8, 2012 at 2:08 am Reply
    1. -Solar- Grunt

      you guys are so pro flying fleets of capitals vs subcaps

      August 8, 2012 at 2:37 am Reply
      1. Makalu_Zarya

        i heard smartbombs work real well at 0 on stations

        August 8, 2012 at 3:05 am Reply
      2. Grath

        somehow its our fault you're too chickenshit to fly capitals against capitals right?

        August 8, 2012 at 3:30 am Reply
        1. -Solar- Grunt

          You talk about balls, and you right risk free pvp from a station undock……

          you must have brass balls the size or a volkswagen

          August 8, 2012 at 6:54 am Reply
          1. wootsnoot

            PL always shows brass balls when it's clear they have the upper hand

            August 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm
        2. -Solar- Grunt

          oh wait, you can't bring more then 100 people into a fleet because you are too elite to recruit newer players like…. I don't you know average test player, so you team up with them to use as a meat shield since it would be impossible to let such noobs into your pro pvp alliance.

          August 8, 2012 at 6:58 am Reply
          1. Imigo

            It's actually a very good blend of new player numbers and veteran experience. I'm surprised that you are (or anybody would be) taking issue with it.

            August 8, 2012 at 11:13 am
          2. Garreth Vlox

            IMIGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO omg I though you were dead

            August 9, 2012 at 1:10 am
          3. Imigo

            I think you're confusing me with my father 😉

            August 9, 2012 at 1:44 am
        3. raptor217

          They can't help that they had their balls removed and sewn into a vagina, oh wait, they can.

          August 8, 2012 at 10:34 am Reply
        4. rvb guy

          Yea people in nullsec should be having big battles decimating each others cap fleets.

          August 9, 2012 at 2:24 am Reply
    2. Backdoor Man

      Cripes, now we gotta train for the Chimera? There goes 60 days.

      Also, we are immune to jams or damps. Targeting disruptor's might work, but that is a lot of sentry drones you'd have to target. Maka, of course smarties don't work on station. We would just pull drones, wait out aggro while repping, and dock fool.

      You have no counter to this fleet setup. At least none that you are aware of. There are a few, but your limited knowledge will not allow you to come up with a solution. From what is being discussed, you will see a lot of these fleets in the future. No new SOV or stations for you!

      Grath, nice post, I'll go easy on you this evening. Its nice not to see you raging.

      August 8, 2012 at 3:41 am Reply
      1. Makalu_Zarya

        wait wait…carriers are immune to jams and damps…did I miss some patch notes somewhere?

        also…you claim to tracking disrupt carriers and then you talk about MY limited knowledge? This is rather funny…when you come up with a fleet concept on your own you let me know, ok?

        oh and I've heard this "no new stations for you" thing before…about 6 months ago…and then you whelped some supers and left….

        August 8, 2012 at 6:03 am Reply
        1. "disruptor's might work, but that is a lot of sentry drones you'd have to target"

          Nice reading comprehension. (you can TD the drones individually)

          August 8, 2012 at 6:52 am Reply
          1. derp2

            When there are 50 Slowcats on the field, there are ~500 Sentry Drones as well. Tracking disrupting a handful of sentry drones has to be the most retarded idea I've ever heard today.

            August 8, 2012 at 10:21 pm
          2. … which was the point of the original post that Makalu "Primary the Rifters" Zarya disagreed with.

            But yeah, be more reactionary and retarded.

            August 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm
        2. Backdoor Man

          Wow Makalu, you are more retarded than I thought. Put down the cheap vodka. Sure you can jam the carriers, you can damp them too, but it doesn't matter. Your little Tengu's, or whatever the fuck you bring that day, are all going to die.

          Try and use a little common sense, please? And how are you the AAA lead FC again? Maka, take a few precious seconds and read my post right above yours, just so you know how it actually works. Wow, I'm still amazed you don't get this concept. Its so fucking basic. How are you an FC again?

          And yes, there are counters, but when we are on a station there isn't shit you can do. Out on a TCU, well, let's just say we could be royally fucked if the right tactic was used against us. Not referring to using Supers or Titans either. Let's see if you're smart enough to figure it out or not. I'm betting "not".

          August 8, 2012 at 9:20 am Reply
          1. Analyst

            Soooo…backdoor man..yet again you turn a decent fit discussion / review into a personal-level mud slingfest..wtf? get help, really.

            August 8, 2012 at 2:05 pm
          2. Backdoor Man

            Sort of sorry, but this AAA FC is shit if he couldn't figure out what I said in my original post. He is supposed to be the best his alliance has to offer, but I just don't see it.

            And he was the one that came off like an ass first. My CEO asked me to calm things down a bit, so I agreed I would. But, stupid is stupid and I'm going to call it like I see it. If that offends you, then may I suggest http://www.disney.com to you?

            August 8, 2012 at 2:11 pm
          3. pilot

            If you can pinpoint a reading comprehension error and use that to judge the fc as a whole, then you're gonna find a LOT of fcs that are pretty shit. That includes a lot of your FCs and Garth's racial slurring bitch ass

            August 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm
          4. Analyst

            Apologies accepted! But disney.com? It's kinda cool actually

            August 8, 2012 at 7:38 pm
          5. lostinspace

            except the tengus didn't die in the last fight, and you lost the field and the timer.

            oops.

            August 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm
          6. derp2

            20 Tengus did, all of which were killed by the Slowcats.

            August 8, 2012 at 10:20 pm
          7. Anonymous

            Jamming the carriers would stop you from repping the station… Just sayin'.

            August 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm
          8. derp2

            ECCM and Remote ECCM gives carriers 200+ sensor strength.

            August 8, 2012 at 10:19 pm
          9. Makalu_Zarya

            wow…the butthurt…and the tears wow…you know I wonder what is it with you people and making it personal with me all the time? I'm sorry i raised some sore valid points…

            From where I stand your stupid slowcats have yet to win a serious fight…so far all they have been is an annoying presence on the field and nothing more…and trust me that much won't change.

            But have fun chest beating about your pro tactics…when you figure out how to actually beat our fleets with 1.5x the numbers then i'll give it to you…until then all of your posting is empty words.

            August 8, 2012 at 5:27 pm
        3. Tarithell

          Yet again a dumb post from makalol…. If you read again the post HE explains it there…. But since you are waaay too fucking dumb ill tell you again. Sentries are asigned to the fc who can control them and you get volleys. Get it now idiot lol? You can jam carriers yes from being repped but gl doing that with 50 archons.

          August 8, 2012 at 9:29 am Reply
        4. -A- FC

          Never ending streams of void bombs followed by normal bombs will neutralise the effect of this fleet in both ongoing damage with docking drones and ability to rep. It will also eventually destroy this fleet especially if supported with subcap fire.

          Bombing carriers is so easy. -A- love bombing shit.. and unlike test we are actually good at it!

          Also picking off the obvious slow cat FC in one of the (fucking obvious) 5 massively overtanked proteus's is hard work.

          Failing that we can always find out who the assigned sentry guy is by having one of our many spies in the hostile cap fleet.

          Slow cats in the end are incapable of holding the field and are only suitable for padding out PLs killboards with 'minimal risk' with multiple accounts to make it look like they are still an active alliance (Till -A- kill a few carriers 'cause running 4 carriers and assigning sentries is hard work for a PL guy, especially as he devotes attention to HoN).

          August 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm Reply
          1. derp2

            Void bombs will stop slowcats on an undock? What? It takes 30+ Void bombs to cap out a carrier at once, and we don't bother returning drones even for normal bombing runs. With a massive cap chain and 10+ archons, cap is never even a remotely plausible issue. Even if it was, you can just dock and undock again for instantly full cap. Not to mention unless they are getting shot the only cap the slowcats are using is for armor hardeners.

            "Also picking off the obvious slow cat FC in one of the (fucking obvious) 5 massively overtanked proteus's is hard work. "

            Irrelevant, as multiple FCs are always present, and if by some miracle you kill a brick tanked proteus with 50+ carrier reps on it, you can just switch to an FC carrier. 5+ slowcats always have remote ECCM and remote sensor boosters, completely nullifying the threat of jamming and damping. If the weight of jamming is truly massive, a carrier can just be used which, with 500+ sensor strength, is functionally unjammable by a mass of unbonused tengus.

            "Slow cats in the end are incapable of holding the field and are only suitable for padding out PLs killboards"

            Slowcats, like any other capital, is incapable of holding the field by themselves without a large support fleet you say? What a shocking and new turn of events. All ~20 of your Tengu losses in 49- were from getting alpha'd by the slowcats, and many more recons and scimis as well.

            August 8, 2012 at 10:18 pm
      2. lolwut?

        Immune to jams and damps? care to eleborate? i jam carriers with the unbonused jammer on my zealot all day erryday.

        August 8, 2012 at 8:50 am Reply
        1. Backdoor Man

          Hello twit, just to clarify the basics for you. You can jam the carriers all day long, its not them that are doing the targeting. Learn to read m8, seriously, it is not that hard.

          In the past, we used a Proteus, armor tanked to hell and back with a locking range just over 100km or a bit more. That Prot pilot is the one that locks and fires whatever pea-shooter he as aboard so that all the drones assigned to him attack what he shoots.

          Get it? Pretty simple really, question is in a major fleet fight with hundreds of our broski's ships on the field, who do you target to stop our sentry's? Also, it is super easy for us to reassign our drones to a new guy if needed.

          Our we clear yet?

          August 8, 2012 at 9:13 am Reply
          1. Anonymous

            Jam EVERYTHINGS!!!!! B)

            August 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm
          2. Backdoor Man

            Seriously guys, please stop posting pretending to be me. You can not match my intelectual superiority that i project through my posts on evenews. I am in PL whereas you wish u only wish you were.

            August 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm
        2. Garreth

          they arent locking you dumbass the FC with the drones assigned to him is so jam the carrier all you want your still gonna die if a fire made of your own stupid.

          August 9, 2012 at 1:07 am Reply
        3. lol at CFC

          they just assist the sentries to the fc

          August 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm Reply
      3. Backdoor Man

        I don't know who this dude is pertending to be me, but he's not in PL, I am.

        But he does bring up a good point, if smartbombing BS's come in, and Tests is welping subcaps(like they do best) then we just wait out aggro, and dock up, then get Begehi to write a BR about how we won the fight, good plan, amirite?

        Please believe me when I say I'm in PL.

        August 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm Reply
        1. The Mittani

          YOU ARE IN PL I BELIEVE U BRO.. IM ALREADY SOLD!!

          August 8, 2012 at 4:04 pm Reply
    3. A_Southerner

      would such a counter involve smartbombs? Smartbombs and bubbles perhaps? Yes…. I believe it would….

      Smartbombs are eves best creation for killing sentries 😛

      how many smartbombing abbadons would it take…. 10 maybe? 20-30 to be on the safe side. With a few extras stashed nearby

      August 8, 2012 at 4:09 am Reply
      1. Kratisto

        …At which point you have firbolgs on the abaddons, who are also being neuted. Please, go ahead.

        Another downside; the carriers can fit almost an unlimited quantity of t1 heavy sentries.

        August 8, 2012 at 5:29 am Reply
      2. Tarithell

        Let me tell you how fast sentrys can be scooped and replaced in a carrier with huge drone bay.

        August 8, 2012 at 9:23 am Reply
      3. lostinspace

        within docking range? smartbombs = useless.

        August 8, 2012 at 5:20 pm Reply
    4. 1. FB's orbit farther then any smartbomb can reach, and even then if the target of the FB's is in the fleet, only a few of them will get hit wtih the smartbombs, and FB's have a very nice tank.

      2. Pantheon fleets are king, we all know this, you can fit/rep/and fight back all at the same time, Triage fleet fail and die because you can't do jack shit when in triage except pray your tank is better then there DPS. As PL learned in Low sec, that tengus can and will break triage.

      You can use this fleet idea for offensive purposes during massive fleet fights. Not only dose it replace your sub cap logi that pop as soon as something looks at it funny, but it also brings in A LOT more DPS. Not only in sents but also in fighters, which can and DO hit everything in sight, Fighters bring in a lot more DPS, especially from the thannys, hit BC's just fine and even T3's (enhrjii's move faster then any other fighter 2250m/s) since they can keep up and track them.

      August 8, 2012 at 4:18 am Reply
      1. Grath

        Fighterbombers orbit outside of smartbomb range, but if you have a cloud of carriers and the fighters are settling in on one, what are the chances that they're out of all the smartbombs range?

        40-50 carriers project a fairly large area of smartbombing, but I'm not going to try to force you to believe me.

        August 8, 2012 at 5:35 am Reply
        1. mf doom

          confirmed…. fat garth from pl.

          August 8, 2012 at 6:18 pm Reply
        2. which is why I said that even if the orbit takes them in range of some of the SB's, fighter bombers have a very heavy tank, which is why I am saying that SB's are NOT a good counter to fighter bombers. Using your own drones or having small frigs shoot them are far more effective then smart bombs, that have limited range and are only marginally effective if a FB get hits by one.

          August 8, 2012 at 10:55 pm Reply
          1. random

            … Having been in fleets where opposing fleets FB damage was negated with SB's, I can say that you are wrong sir. They are more susceptible to SB damage than most people realize.

            August 9, 2012 at 2:02 am
      2. Scar

        It's like the guy below me says regarding your #1. Sure FBs will orbit outside the range of 1 or 2 carriers . . . but in a herd like this the FB orbit will take them inside the range of some of the carriers and even if only 10 of the carriers hit with 1 or 2 smartbombs that is going to hurt FBs.

        August 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm Reply
        1. lostinspace

          on station at 0-2500m, good luck with smartbombs.

          August 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm Reply
          1. Scar

            Was only talking about the ability to SB stuff while in a pantheon herd, not the specific location. On stations you just start to deagress if you're about to get swarm then you dock while riding out damage if you can. Rinse/Repeat.

            August 8, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    5. Need3Pee

      I would love to see the Chimera fit plz!

      August 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm Reply
  3. thatguy

    I enjoyed this format of article and would like more on Fittings.

    I know everybody else who reads EN24 is pro baller with leet skills and an encyclopaedic knowledge of all EVE content but I am not and find this shit interesting.

    August 8, 2012 at 2:54 am Reply
    1. lostinspace

      stfu noob.

      August 8, 2012 at 3:27 am Reply
    2. lol at CFC

      I know everybody else who reads EN24 is pro baller with leet skills and an encyclopaedic knowledge of all EVE content but I am not and find this shit interesting

      ^^ you just need half a brain nothing pro or leet about it

      August 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm Reply
  4. ( . Y. )

    I would also like to read about more fittings and maybe some of the logic behind fleet strategy.

    August 8, 2012 at 3:15 am Reply
  5. duder

    is it fix'd that only 10 at max on fitting range, and refittingin space is possible?

    As far as I know, it is impossible to fit in real situation on fleetsizes like that. You have always too many ships inside the range.

    August 8, 2012 at 6:29 am Reply
    1. derp2

      That is simply fixable by right clicking a specific carrier close to you, and using that carrier's fitting service rather than just trying to refit with alt-f.

      August 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm Reply
  6. Fiasco

    TL:DR: Pandemic Legion adopts RnK tactics.

    August 8, 2012 at 7:24 am Reply
  7. Testor

    Frankly .. I don't get it..

    The tactic is to deploy 50+ carriers, assign the 500+ sentries to a huggin and send it in a tengu-fleet to kill a tengu every 4 seconds?

    Killing a Tengu every 4 seconds sound good but .. How long does this huggin live? 1 Second?

    August 8, 2012 at 8:21 am Reply
    1. DJP

      Generally its a Brick tanked Loki they are assigned to, 250k EHP+ with links, tiny sig, all the Archons pre-lock and its very hard to kill that Loki.

      August 8, 2012 at 8:28 am Reply
    2. lostinspace

      look at how many tengus actually died in the last slowcat fight and you'll see this is worthless. All the slowcats had to dock, and they lost the field and the timer.

      August 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm Reply
    3. lol at CFC

      with 50+ carrier repping it….could be a shuttle and it would tank just fine

      August 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm Reply
  8. LOL.

    the concept itself was developed by x13 and finfleet a while before he foundation of IT Alliance – they used domis though.
    The Problem with it is that the way the drone mechanics work it only really works in 0sec, low sec it has some problems. It is also very vulnerable to bombers – but with the gigantic drone bays of Carriers thats less of a problem.

    August 8, 2012 at 8:29 am Reply
  9. Gunny

    Moar articles like this please.

    August 8, 2012 at 8:55 am Reply
  10. lifeofzenith

    Nice post. Would like to see more like this! 😉

    August 8, 2012 at 10:04 am Reply
  11. -A- on duty

    sentry are vulnerable to bombs and have problems tracking AB tengus above 100km

    August 8, 2012 at 10:08 am Reply
    1. Vanquisher

      Doesnt change the fact that they can just sit in docking range and rep the station. Its what i expect to happen in 49- on final timer. 40 something slowcats siting in docking range touching each other and the station with their RR untouchable since you will not deploy supers due to enemy super bloob and operating hostile fleet. Station will be propably repaired before you will be able to clean field enough to bring ECM and keep it alive to win dps race on station. Pretty much different version of same issue plaguing 0.0 since a long time who has more super wins.

      August 8, 2012 at 2:56 pm Reply
    2. derp2

      Slowcats carry 200+ sentry drones of each type, and it takes ~3 bombs to kill one. Additionally, in high TiDi situations, it takes about a second to scoop and relaunch the drones after the bombs explode. Creating a no man's land of 100KM in which any tengu that ventures for longer than a few seconds gets volleyed is quite the defensive asset.

      August 8, 2012 at 10:31 pm Reply
  12. sure

    i thought slowcat what PL's affectionate name for their test meatshield..

    August 8, 2012 at 11:19 am Reply
  13. Random Guy

    I don't believe the carriers actually killed anything to speak of other than whoring on kill mails with a tiny bit of sentry damage. We didn't have a problem with them. After the 10th fleet that bridged in got obliterated, they decided to dock up to they wouldn't get hammered.

    August 8, 2012 at 11:25 am Reply
    1. Imigo

      http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=142http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=142

      5 seconds looking through what was mentioned as being the target of the slowcats. Looks like a few carriers being top damage, final blow, and the bulk of the pilots involved (ie not whoring) on these kills to me.

      August 8, 2012 at 11:32 am Reply
      1. lostinspace

        They're not called 'FAIL' for no reason…logis easily kept up with the ones bcasting for reps.

        Darwin FTW!

        August 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm Reply
        1. -a- guy

          My own tengu was insta popped by those slowcats during that fight, it wasnt a matter of people not broadcasting in time.

          Slowcats are very effective at certain ranges, even against AB'ing T3's.

          August 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm Reply
          1. lostinspace

            so you weren't on anchor then.

            August 8, 2012 at 4:52 pm
          2. derp2

            The anchor came within 20km (and heavy neut range) of the slowcats on multiple occasions during that fight, bro. Even anchored Tengus got blapped.

            August 8, 2012 at 10:24 pm
  14. WOT_owns_EVE
    August 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm Reply
  15. oh snap

    So … have 50 man bomber fleet bombing sentries or void bombing the carriers
    Or … jam the drone bunny.

    August 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm Reply
    1. derp2

      A 50 man bomber fleet would be served much better by bombing the supcapitals. Getting 50 void bombers to begin with is a tall order, and even with a very successful 50 bomb run, the carriers have 15+ archon cap chains. Additionally, they could just dock and undock and instantly have full capacitor again. Slowcat's don't use very much cap anyways.

      Jamming the targeter is also ineffective, as most of the carriers just fit projected ECCM and remote sensor boosters. 500+ sensor strength and enough scan res to lock a non-MWDing cruiser in 4 seconds is attainable with about 3 of the above and local sensor boosters on another carrier.

      August 8, 2012 at 10:29 pm Reply
  16. sdf

    Interesting indeed.

    August 8, 2012 at 5:09 pm Reply
  17. Gecko

    I think I know of a cheap counter to this takes some coordination but very do able

    August 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
  18. low sec pirate

    I used to look up to PL, being all very experienced players, but now when I see single DD proof carriers fighting from a station undock…. it really makes me wonder, where did the courage go?

    August 8, 2012 at 5:58 pm Reply
    1. Backdoor Man

      PL of two years ago is not the same alliance. The corps have filled up with dudes that come from a handful of now dead alliance, most of which PL had a hand in killing, and these guys jumped to the winning side. Well a large portion of the pilots that made us potent have mostly quit playing for various reasons.

      August 8, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
  19. Torulv

    Lets take a look at 100mn ab low sig tengus next time…. yes ?

    August 8, 2012 at 6:58 pm Reply
  20. Fletch

    Could you not just damp or jam the target caller or person with trhe drones assigned to them?

    August 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm Reply
    1. derp2

      Yes, but the Thanatos's often fit remote ECCM and remote sensor boosters. If there is truly massive jam strength on the field, another carrier is just used.

      With a few remote ECCM mods, a carrier's sensor strength is 200+.

      August 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm Reply
    2. lol at CFC

      yea but then they just swap to a another caller which takes all of 2 seconds

      August 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
  21. Random Miner

    being uninformed about the fits of the many ships in the battle reports here, I would appreciate more articles like this one. Really helps to understand them.

    August 9, 2012 at 12:48 am Reply
  22. google

    the hate for PL by -a- is insane.

    there's not a single thread, killmail, or article anywhere that doesn't have some AAA guy crying about how much moarleet they are then PL.

    Its like they go and kill a tengu and there's 523489234 posts about it everywhere from AAA like "NO THAT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE BSLKDHJFSKDF WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THEN THEM….!!!"

    every single fight that happens turns into a shitshow from -a- posters who go in and try and statistically prove that they won the iskwar/kdr war/smugwar and thus are moarleet.

    after 8 years playing this stupid game its clear to me what's wrong here.

    -A-: PL didn't make it to the top screaming to everyone about how moarleet they were then everyone else. They didn't spam every forum and killmail with tears. They didn't CTA Post on evenews articles about every fight they had.

    you can try and copy their fleets and tactics all you want but at the end of the day you are DIFFERENT from them because you run around and try and project yourselves as being the best when PL gained that reputation through the tears of their enemies.

    Until you realize that you'll never even be in the same league.

    Now please reply to this post like I know you're itching to and capslock rage about how youre better then pl because of iskwar/kdr/waaaah coward slowcats waaaah

    prove me right. the truth hurts.

    PS: to be honest the same goes for TEST. if you want the respect you think you deserve, shut up and play the game and earn it. No one will ever think you can do anything on your own just because you said so in capslock on evenews.

    August 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm Reply
    1. EX NC

      But you forget, dir Sir, that -A- is shit. It was ok when it was mostly die hard russians, lets say, 3 years ago? Now its just a bunch of homo's saying 'we are awesome look at our positive KB status, oh yea invade us and we'll turtle up and suck on it". Ya thats how 'leet' AAA is now.

      August 10, 2012 at 3:51 am Reply
  23. Lockbreaker

    What would a few Lockbreaker Bombs do to the spider tanking if well placed? Turn it all off for a few seconds and enough for a Tengu fleet to kill a carrier?

    August 10, 2012 at 8:41 am Reply
  24. raiden.

    This is post about SlowCATS and not about retarded Makalu, AAA, PL and similar shit. Thank you.

    April 3, 2013 at 10:57 am Reply
  25. derp2

    And we just switched to an FC carrier with 500+ sensor strength and 5+ remote sensor boosters and local sensor boosters

    August 8, 2012 at 10:34 pm Reply

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