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Jester’s Trek: Quote of the Week – Meta Irony^4

I got a kick out of this week’s Quote of the Week, which comes from CCP Sreegs:

Telling us about something after you’ve used the heck out of it isn’t what we consider to be responsible. We do our best to be lenient in cases such as this but we want this to serve as a notice to the community that the proper time to alert us to the issue was before actually using the system.

Uhhh… Sreegs?  Remember a couple of weeks back, when I mentioned that Goons complaining about other EVE players exploiting game mechanics was a weaponized level of irony that could flatten whole cites?

Yeah.  That.  ;-)

Semi-seriously, one of the reasons The Mittani struggled in the role of being CSM Chairman was because he felt he couldn’t be both a good Chairman and “a good Goon” which of course means “really good at making other people feel really bad.”  So this is a lovely time to point out again that CCP Sreegs is himself a former Goon.  As a result, reading something from CCP Sreegs begging EVE players — EVE players! — not to exploit broken game mechanics produced a charming level of meta irony that had me smiling the rest of the day after I read it.

I kind of wonder if Sreegs has the same struggle.

Anyway, the fact that he was essentially addressing this plea to — you know — Goons made it that much more delicious.  I can only imagine the level of humor that this is producing on the Goon forums themselves.  Anyone want to copy a few choice examples into the comments?

Just to be clear, we’ve got about four levels of meta here:

    It was Goons that exploited the FW mechanics.

    It was a former Goon that had to punish them for it.

    It was the same former Goon that then begged current Goons to stop; and,

    then begged them to — rather than be Goons — to instead tell him about the next thing they’re going to exploit before they exploit it.

tl;dr: “Hey Goons?  *smack!*  Please stop being Goons.  Love, CCP Sreegs.”

I’ll just leave you alone now to think about that one.  There’s some aspirin in the bathroom.

Ripard Teg

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  1. Da Goon

    TL:DR "goons are bad, and Im not funny" *Smug *Smug…

    MEANWHILE in Delve… http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13

    just when it COULDN'T get any worse….. http://i.imgur.com/DQ3zR.png (ya that happened)
    SoCo recommits to their strategy of occupying 319 Station while Delve burns down around them..

    July 3, 2012 at 5:05 am Reply
    1. InternetIdiots

      Smugging about rediculo blobbing. :gewns:

      July 3, 2012 at 5:18 am Reply
      1. lmntropy

        I'm more smug because CFC/Honeybadgers has not one, but TWO safeposses in 319 and SoCo has none. In their fucking staging system.

        July 3, 2012 at 1:11 pm Reply
        1. Third Party

          What am i in right now?

          July 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm Reply
          1. lmntropy


            July 4, 2012 at 5:38 pm
        2. Bagehi

          We were using Nulli's safe POS yesterday. They "have" a safe POS, we just get the password moments after they change it.

          July 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
          1. DominicErata

            Then the intel I was privy to was incorrect or incomplete. Thanks Bagehi.

            Still, CFC/Honeybadger safeposses in SoCo's main staging system ::smug::

            July 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    2. jelly

      Yeah, let's downvote this guy for reporting on stuff going down in Delve, a war that's gotten attention from places like PCGamer among other gaming sites. Let's just not talk about that because it obviously won't draw in anybody to this game. Instead, let's talk about shit that's been resolved for two weeks along with speculation and tin foil hat crap.

      July 3, 2012 at 5:31 am Reply
      1. Bagehi

        I'm hesitant to write reports on these fights of late, honestly. In each fight, the winning side completely dominates the other side in numbers and tactics. Each resembles a massacre more than a battle.

        July 4, 2012 at 6:02 pm Reply
    3. Caustic Castration

      I wish I could be an oxygen stealer with the rest of the EVE Goon and Co A team

      What do you expect them to do mollusc?

      July 3, 2012 at 7:35 am Reply
    4. alex

      how many goons did write your comment? 100, 200, 1k?

      July 3, 2012 at 3:02 pm Reply
    5. ODST

      Congrats! You can blob to win. Now, lets see you take an even match fleet against them. No outside support, no cyno'ing in more, no logging off in system, and logging back in once their all "tackled".

      Lets see how you fair then. Your 150 drakes would be annihilated. Take away Goon numbers, and you're left with a pile of dog shit called Mittani. Nuff said.

      Reading about Goons is getting boring. Same shit, different day. Giant Ego, Blob Fleets, whats the fucking point, you see "GOON" and you go "TL;DR.." next article!

      July 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm Reply
      1. Gary Bell

        hE jelLY

        July 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm Reply
      2. Grunt101

        Why is it in any way unfair to use the mechanics of the game to your advantage? Ccp makes the rules. In case you don't like the outcome you can't blame others for not playing the game the way you think it should be played.

        July 4, 2012 at 12:41 am Reply
      3. Imigo

        TL; DR

        If they didn't bring their friends, didn't bring so much logistics, didn't have tight fleet composition, didn't activate their weapons, and were just in their pods, I too could beat Goons.

        July 4, 2012 at 3:25 am Reply
      4. boredAtwerk

        "lets see you take an even match fleet against them" That is what the Alliance Tournament is for, didn't you watch any of it? Outside of some silly pew pew tourney, when it comes to Sov and ISK why should anyone fight fair? You wine about Goonswarm being shit, they must have outsmarted you or beaten you in PVP. You are obviously lower on the food chain than this 'shit' so what does that make you?

        July 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm Reply
  2. rasz

    except there was no smack, there were PLEXes instead, for being goons

    July 3, 2012 at 5:07 am Reply
    1. Random Miner

      and thats pretty much all the info anyone needs to start rolling the tinfoil

      July 3, 2012 at 5:31 am Reply
      1. M1k3y

        Not tinfoil if its true

        July 3, 2012 at 12:46 pm Reply
        1. Trololo

          Yeah, cuz no-one else gets gets plex for reporting exploits or critical bugs. You should look it up brohane. Called plex for snitches.

          July 3, 2012 at 3:08 pm Reply
  3. NullSecHoBo

    Came here looking for quality tinfoil, left rather disappointed.

    July 3, 2012 at 5:12 am Reply
    1. CFC Wannabe

      Are you my wife

      July 4, 2012 at 2:36 am Reply
  4. handicapwinonly

    Goons, Test, and PL love to win. It's not gudfites but rather a purge. It's kind of like playing tik tac toe, goons, test, and pl get 4 x's, the other guys get 1 o and they get to go first. Hey everyone o/, I win the game, aren't I fantabulous!

    July 3, 2012 at 5:55 am Reply
  5. Dear Mr. Stanziel

    Jester wrote a very funny lil piece that makes people smile or laugh for that matter. He is indeed pointing out that Sreegs did exactly what he is supposed to as CCP Spaceshipsecurityduder and points out that Sreegs has changed from being a goon to the person who is litteraly on the other side of the fence now.

    Stop being a retard Mr. Stanziel

    July 3, 2012 at 6:06 am Reply
  6. Ken

    I'm pretty sure I killed your ship tonight… also…. lol

    July 3, 2012 at 6:36 am Reply
  7. eeh

    Didn't jesters trek use to be a good/relevant poster?
    What happened?

    July 3, 2012 at 6:52 am Reply
    1. Monk

      He tries to please the Slope-God by lowering his Bloging Quality Post by Post over the last 3-4 Months.

      Until now its already a quite impressive Qualityslope, and ever time i think he bottomed out he drags Quality a step deeper.

      July 3, 2012 at 9:34 am Reply
    2. Ithink

      It is nessesary for him to write negative Goon material to get published on EveNews24 so he comes up with whatever he can.

      July 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm Reply
  8. Carlos

    why am i no hearing nerf supercaps from goons? cos its ok when they use them but not ok when they are used against them! XD

    July 3, 2012 at 9:53 am Reply
    1. aaaaaaaaaaa

      because they got nerfed pretty hard?

      July 3, 2012 at 12:35 pm Reply
  9. TestGruntBestGrunt

    So it's true.

    Goons control our game.

    July 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm Reply
  10. Hmmm

    Whether you love or hate Goons, you have to admit that when they exploit game weakness, things get fixed better and quicker than if they had simply told CCP what was wrong. In some ways, they improve the game.

    July 3, 2012 at 12:46 pm Reply
    1. aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

      We ARE the game.

      July 3, 2012 at 5:25 pm Reply
      1. AlphaMale

        Are you saying you are poorly designed, stagnant and prone to fuck up as soon as too many people are together?

        July 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm Reply
  11. CareBearStares

    "imagine the level of humor that this is producing on the Goon forums."
    All I've heard was angst and achy backsides becouse they didn't get to keep the ISK after they reported the exploit.

    July 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm Reply
  12. yup

    i still don't get how everyone's pretending they got punished..they got all their investment back plus multiple plex, both goons and sreegs are acting like they got an ass woopin when it wasn't even a slap on the wrist.

    July 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
    1. Iamchucknorris

      a slap on the wrist for using game mechanics multiple times and getting reward purely from market manipulation and killing ships (doesn't matter its your alt or someone) so yea. Using game mechanics and getting banned for it or even punished is like a huge wtf. like me say this, ccp can only return their investment back and give em plex cause they can't do anything worst (maybe without the plex)

      July 5, 2012 at 6:10 pm Reply

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